#suggestions-discussion

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glass arch
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ok so just buy it post eoc

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instead of farming for 3 hours preboss

drowsy plank
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skill issue clueless

swift wharf
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clearly it's not the true melee infernum boss

swift wharf
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IS SKILL ISSUE

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💥

glass arch
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yeah thats kinda what this boils down to

swift wharf
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"I want to get the thing but I dont want to buy it from the dryad because eoc hard(?)"

lament shore
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isn't what the 90% of requested suggestions boil down to

swift wharf
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no not really some are actually good

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actually 90% yes

lament shore
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the entire skill issue thing doesn't make sense as an argument at all

frosty trellis
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(I don't see a problem with wanting a flower to drop more than 5% of the time when it's used for two good weapons and 3 vanilla item recipes to help out with trying to explore and gear up better. Not everyone does eoc immediately)

swift wharf
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yeah but are you gonna need all of those 5 items

drowsy plank
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okay tbf they didnt want all 5

frosty trellis
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(I don't see the point in having it not drop a bit more often. Just a 10% chance over 5% even would fix so much)

drowsy plank
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they couldnt even get 1

glass arch
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yeah the chance being upped to 10% would be better

swift wharf
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you can p much disconsider the 3 items

drowsy plank
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like i understand both sides of the argument but i still think the way rose drops is idiotic

swift wharf
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or you could remove donor items it from the recipe tbh

lament shore
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I understand eclipse thinking it's pointless but they still for some reason think I want it to be guarenteed??

swift wharf
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for the wapons i mean

frosty trellis
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It's not needed to be guarenteed?

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Literally

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Just double the drop rate to 10%

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Boom

glass arch
frosty trellis
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Much better

swift wharf
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I didn't even say that it had to be guaranteed either

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wtf

frosty trellis
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Or they can just

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Get a better weapon

lament shore
frosty trellis
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Because they want to get a better weapon

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And not because it's necessary?

drowsy plank
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yaveto is losing acid next update it doesnt even matter

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the point is there's no reason for this rose to be this stupid rare

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it's like "skull" being a 0.2% drop

swift wharf
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what skull Clueless

drowsy plank
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like that's rarer than coin gun from flying dutchman

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skull

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the vanity item

swift wharf
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i see

worldly basalt
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skeletron mask is just skull but better

drowsy plank
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very true makes me wonder why it exists

glass arch
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you need a jungle rose to get vivid clarity which is one of the penultimate mage weapons

swift wharf
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and how is that relevant

frosty trellis
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(And worse than SSV)

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(And looks less cool than SSV)

lament shore
swift wharf
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unless you don't have a dryad by then

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yae

glass arch
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so yeah i can see where you come from but theres no reason to make it guaranteed or even much more common

frosty trellis
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Oh more common absolutely

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It's pre boss shit and vanilla recipes people are allowed to try and get at that point

drowsy plank
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what about for low percent clueless

glass arch
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i did say much more common, doubling it is fine

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so like if it was a 30% boost id say thats unnecessary

frosty trellis
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You just said there is no reasont o make it guarenteed or even much more common

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Wot

lament shore
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broken sentence structure I guess

fossil finch
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again just fucking

glass arch
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i suck with sentences

fossil finch
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remove jungle flowers from these recipes

worldly basalt
lament shore
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I don't know why some random ass rose has some magical power or some shit

drowsy plank
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i feel like there's a reason vanilla swapped it for spores lul

swift wharf
# lament shore I don't know why some random ass rose has some magical power or some shit

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worldly basalt
swift wharf
lament shore
swift wharf
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anyways I will agree that it is fair to make it more common but "vanilla item recipes people are allowed to try and get at that point" makes no sense

lament shore
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vanilla item recipes people are allowed to try and get at that point
I didn't make this argument

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correct me if I am wrong

drowsy plank
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why is obsidian rose made out of a jungle item instead of fireblossom anyway

swift wharf
lament shore
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I don't remember making it

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ah

swift wharf
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byea goofy ahh recipes too

fossil finch
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what was the first item to use jungle orse for its recipe

swift wharf
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le can of worms

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mana rose iirc

fossil finch
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again just remake calamity

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that way no yateveo

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no weird balance
No arbitrary recipe materials

swift wharf
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mana rose is ancient

fossil finch
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no whatever the fuck half the mod's mechanics are

swift wharf
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yo lmao

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lament shore
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the venom sucks though

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makes no sense

drowsy plank
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dw venom dies next update

fossil finch
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its just a flail

drowsy plank
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truly a goofy ahhh donor moment

swift wharf
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actualyy it's a spear too

drowsy plank
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tfw preboss weapon has a right click

lament shore
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being 2 types of weapons at the same time feels interesting to me idk

swift wharf
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tbf it is a bit cool

drowsy plank
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oh i like the idea i just think it's very funny that the preBoss weapon is more complex than a lot of later game ones

swift wharf
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but kinda bruh since melee already has blade of grass and thorn chakram

swift wharf
lament shore
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I will try the bosses with fucking bog first, if they are beatable with it I will both feel stupid and withdraw the suggestion lol

swift wharf
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oh i was talking about the weapon itself not the suggestion

lament shore
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ik

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though the suggestion is in favor of the weapons

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make x more common so i can craft y earlier and easier

drowsy plank
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tbf there are other things the rose does rn, and unless you pivot entirely to just asking rose to be removed from recipes, i think making rose more obtainable (even from a purely vanity standpoint bc i dont think just bc something is vanity it deserves to be impossible to get) is a perfectly reasonable suggestion

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we just like arguing

swift wharf
lost valley
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make it more rare

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it'd be funny

swift wharf
drowsy plank
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🔫

lost valley
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like cuttlefish rare

fossil finch
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ok but this sugg wouldnt exist if it was never added to any recipes

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therefore

swift wharf
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donor items try not to cause issues challenge

drowsy plank
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not true something i consider frequently is asking calamity to buff the drop rates of these impossible to get vanities bc i think their drop rates are idiotic ultimatesmug

swift wharf
fossil finch
lost valley
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ah yes

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bc they will def change that

fossil finch
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theybeen taking and doing this suggestions since 3 years ago

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so yes they will def change that

swift wharf
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that requires using reddit or twitter

drowsy plank
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true!!!

fossil finch
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is complaining in discord to randos and calamity's mod dev team ay better

lament shore
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why not use terraria forums

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to contact redigit

lost valley
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would be better to use a smoke signal

lament shore
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draw some stuff in a random ass cave instead

fossil finch
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like you can literally go to twitter do @cenxx say "hi could you guys make jungle rose more common" and theyd do it instantly

lost valley
lament shore
swift wharf
lament shore
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I don't tweet because I am shy 👉👈

swift wharf
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i am losing braincells because of a 24x24 pixels image

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12x12 actually

lament shore
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what's that 24x24/4 pixels image in question

swift wharf
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byeah the issues are goofy

lament shore
fossil finch
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theyre literally doing 1.4.5 rn and i saw red rejecting a fucking wyvern pet as "out of scope" for the update it's dropping in like a month

lament shore
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I am talking about tml 1.4.5

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ik 1.4.5 is in development

fossil finch
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not relevant because we could not be getting the calamity update in ages either

lament shore
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yeah I figured when I thought about it 2 minutes ago

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doesn't the dye trader sell the dye materials?

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well if you obtained one once in your pt

drowsy plank
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no?

lament shore
drowsy plank
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ive literally never heard of this what

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lmao

lament shore
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may be fargo's idk

drowsy plank
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probably

lost valley
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sounds like fargos

lament shore
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I am one of the 2 people that use fargo's lol

fossil finch
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full of lies ^

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anyways he does that with fargos but it has some batshit weird conditions

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like you need to have it in your inventory but also not

lost valley
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or they should add dyes to the mana items to balance it out ultimatesmug

lament shore
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anyways I think the dye materials add some trait/point idk

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like making the dye materials easier to obtain may solve it

lost valley
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i think it's bc the health kinda go that colour but then

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mana does the same

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and they dont need dye

lament shore
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hold on let me look at mana recipes

lost valley
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the mana ones are all fine

lament shore
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I mean the dye materials make sense for blood orange and elder berry

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it feels like you are actually using them

lost valley
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yeah i guess but they suck balls

lament shore
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but not really on dragonfruit and miracle fruit

drowsy plank
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before the 22 devcident i remember they were originally gonna have the health fruit grow seperately just like life fruit

lost valley
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"22 devcident" OMEGALUL

lament shore
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that would suck actually

drowsy plank
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i mean i need to call it something lmao

lost valley
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also yeah

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tbh if they just made them the same minus the dyes it would be fine

lament shore
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I don't want to go into the hassle of finding 20 upgrades 5 times in one playthrough

drowsy plank
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lol

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i mean you could just also have the recipes

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just like actual life fruit

lament shore
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life fruit has a recipe?

lost valley
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yea

lament shore
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since when

drowsy plank
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since cal

atomic shell
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it’s planty mush + living shards

lament shore
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I didn't know lol

lost valley
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^

atomic shell
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so post plantera

lament shore
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didn't need to either

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they spawned fairly common

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so yeah

drowsy plank
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they exist ¯_(ツ)_/¯

lament shore
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anyways I think the dyes give the upgrades traits really

fossil finch
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also they could have spawned in cool set structures

lament shore
fossil finch
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terraria players do not get limited by having 0 creativity on idea implementation challenge

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YES!

lost valley
fossil finch
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and thats what was going to happen

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itd be set structures

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and itd still only be needed once

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though the former wasnt ever reaally stated

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the latter is obvious they wouldnt cahnge that

hollow shell
lament shore
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I mean the dyes aren't that hard to get at the point of starting to get 25health upgrades

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orange bloodroot is common

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drink spelunker look for 3 mins

lost valley
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they aren't it's just an extra step that doesnt need to exist

glass arch
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ehhh the dyes are pretty rare

hollow shell
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All of them show up on Spelunker's

lost valley
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those orange roots are elusive exactly when you go to look for them

lament shore
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I have mixed feelings about this really

glass arch
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overall if you dont have good luck you might be sticking around for hours waiting for a dye plant if you dont have bloom stone

fossil finch
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you just posted a sugg about upping the chance for jungle rose you have no say in this matter sorry

lament shore
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like I both want it to be removed but at the same time I don't

glacial iris
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dye plants are all visible on spelunker, but not everyone knows that and it's not going to be clear if you don't know it

hollow shell
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Do we need to edit Spelunker's tooltip to say "Shows the location of ore, gems, pots, herbs, dye plants, chests, life crystals, life fruits, statues, and paintings"?

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It would be informative ngl

lament shore
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no we should just remove the dyes from recipes

glacial iris
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potentially changing it to "shows location of all rare items"

fossil finch
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it also shows when a boss is good

lost valley
glacial iris
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or change the recipes cause that'd still be unintuitive

lament shore
lost valley
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the mana upgrades dont have em so i dont see why the health ones do

hollow shell
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I personally like the dye plants being in the recipes because it gets you to actually go do something in the world

frosty trellis
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The problem with that

glacial iris
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I think it's unique, but if you don't know spelunker shows the plants then it's pretty irritating

frosty trellis
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Is that blueberries and sky blue flowers are easy enough to find

glass arch
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teal mushrooms are the worst to get

frosty trellis
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Bloodroot if you aren't in a crimson world is Legitimately painful to come acrosss

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And then teal mushrooms suck as well

lament shore
frosty trellis
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Yeah

lament shore
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crimson always wins

hollow shell
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(I don't see anything about them being more common in Crimson worlds)

frosty trellis
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They are way more common in crimson than corrupt worlds

lament shore
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fuck you corruption fans

lost valley
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i was gunna say they are stupid rare

frosty trellis
hollow shell
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Vanilla wiki says they only grow from dirt

frosty trellis
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Due to the more "bloody" theme for crimson

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Huh

glacial iris
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yeah

fossil finch
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yea ht hw ath fuck ar eyou talking about

glacial iris
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spawns on dirt

frosty trellis
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I've never found a bloodroot in a corruption biome

fossil finch
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they grow in the upper underground reachers because of the dirt

frosty trellis
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Find tons in crimson worlds

lost valley
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well they still suck

lament shore
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they spawn on normal undeground/caverns

fossil finch
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ok but ive never ever found a bloodroot in crimson biome ive always find them in just ug

hollow shell
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Also I personally have never had trouble with Bloodroot or Teal Mushrooms or any other dye plant,
probably because I care about vanity so I pick up all the dye plants I spot

glacial iris
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yeah most people don't care that much about dyes

frosty trellis
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(My dye is green so bloodroot doesn't matter for me)

lost valley
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no dye gaming

frosty trellis
glacial iris
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orange dye is hardly popular either

lament shore
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why not use something else than dyes if we want something to do in the world that isn't tedious

frosty trellis
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^

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There's a fine line between creative and tedious

glass arch
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if you dont collect the dye plants before you need them, they become that much more painful to get when you do need them because things never spawn when you need them

frosty trellis
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^

hollow shell
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indeed that is also an option however the dye plants already served a nice purpose of being uncommon and unique

frosty trellis
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And if you don't find them prior then they suck

hollow shell
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We could add new plants to replace them in the recipes, but that would be redundant and we may as well just make the health upgrades grow directly
Which was... the plan!

frosty trellis
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Okay

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But then

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How the fuck are we going to find them

fossil finch
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so sad fab decided the mod was best mid

frosty trellis
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Bc frankly I'm not searching An entire large jungle to find a plant

lost valley
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man if only there was an easy way to make this better

fossil finch
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youre overblowing the issue out of proportion imo

lost valley
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like removing the plants from the recipes

fossil finch
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99.99999999% you dont have to explore that much

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even then yeah kinda just do th

glass arch
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removing the dye plants from recipes not only makes it less tedious for people who dont use dyes, it lets people who do use dyes make more of those dyes

glacial iris
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if you want to keep the unique aspects of them needing dye plants, why not let the plants spawn anywhere

lament shore
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guys

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I have an excellent fucking idea

glacial iris
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that way you're far more likely to encounter them

lament shore
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make dye trader sell the dye materials

lost valley
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holy based

hollow shell
crude geode
fossil finch
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can we get the calamity players on their way to suggest fixes for issues that do not exist quote

crude geode
lost valley
fossil finch
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or is it

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what is an issue?

hollow shell
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This quote is tangentially related

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fossil finch
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The reason microwaves were invented, is because we wanted to revive mice

crude geode
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That quote seems relevant yeah

lament shore
fossil finch
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thats not actually a joke its a fact

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microwaves as in like

lament shore
glass arch
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the real question is why do the mana upgrades get treated differently than the hp upgrades

glacial iris
lost valley
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the reason is just tediousness
If you didnt know that a vanity item is required for a health upgrade then you need to spend an annoying amount of time looking for something that serves no purpose than to waste your time

glass arch
lost valley
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personally i think making this less bad for no reason is good

fossil finch
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small, home, practical microwaves kind of were invented by some scientists who were doing reanimation experiments
they consited on freezing mice to death and then reheating them in a short period of time and it actually worked it just did not work a lot of the time and most likely ended up with the mice getting burnt
so they made microwaves to heat them more consistently and shit and it actually made the survival rate better

glacial iris
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it's not very fun searching for a teal mushroom post golem, especially because there isn't anything else that you really need underground at that stage

fossil finch
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there is

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the teal mushroom

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thumbsup

lost valley
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man what a time

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now that sounds like it needs to exist

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yknow why stop there? add dungeon paintings to recipes for crafting stations

hollow shell
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I think Fargo's does that for its Enchantments HDFailure

glass arch
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comet shard: 3 items which arent hard to get
ethereal core: 4 items which are not hard to get
phantom heart: literally 2 items that you will have plenty of by just refighting polter once

lost valley
lament shore
fossil finch
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like 2-3 enchants have painting in their recipes yea

lost valley
hollow shell
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I think all the Wood ones do, for the various biomes

lament shore
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btw

crude geode
fossil finch
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anyways ill let you know that this is going nowhere and that this sugg is passing but not getting implemented soon unless a dev descends upon us and just decides it to do it before its even actually passed or something and that the Calamity mod is mid

lost valley
crude geode
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3/5 classes don’t use mana

glass arch
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mana upgrades are equally important to mages as hp upgrades are

lost valley
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the mana ones are designed better

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so do that with the hp ones

fossil finch
lost valley
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mana is more so

glacial iris
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just cause less classes use mana upgrades doesn't mean that they should be more or less tedious to get

lament shore
fossil finch
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mana is a non necesisity in statistically uhhhh
if 5- 3 then 100- what itd be 300/5 and thats like 60 or something so like in the 60% or so if your pts you never use mana

glass arch
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ok but its still miles easier to get than hp upgrades and unlike mana you dont drain your hp to attack (unless you use blood boiler but thats a special case)

glacial iris
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the dye trader could sell the plants at a high price and you could leave the recipe as is

crude geode
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god I love when this chat has differing design opinions it gets so civil

lament shore
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like look at alchemist fucking npc

fossil finch
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we should all just go make our own mod

hollow shell
# lost valley the mana ones are designed better

they require you to do more of the same things you've already done
Kill more Astral enemies, kill more Dungeon enemies, kill Polterghast, probably kill Aureus for Fallen Stars

Does that feel like less of a "waste of time" compared to looking for the dye plants because it's more.. consistent?

lament shore
hollow shell
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Or is it just the mindset that, killing enemies and bosses is inherently more fun than other tasks

lament shore
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especially the operator

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I hate her

crude geode
fossil finch
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endless calamity gif

glacial iris
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I mean I normally have almost all of the stuff for the mana upgrades in a normal pt

glass arch
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in the end mage basically requires mana upgrades, but you can get along just fine without any of the cal hp upgrades

lost valley
fossil finch
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idk how you do that

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i have to go out of my way to farm stardust in early hm to get comet shard

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same with everything but core really

lament shore
cobalt pewter
fossil finch
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aureus and deus do since always

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like

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legfitimately

lament shore
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I have never noticed they do lol

glacial iris
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oh deus drops them too?

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I knew aureus did

glass arch
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doesnt deus just drop stardust

lament shore
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since there's always a shitton of them in my inventory

glacial iris
hollow shell
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Aureus for reference

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(deus also has all the pillar fragments)

glass arch
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(but for some reason not meld blobs)

hollow shell
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indeed

crude geode
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Meld blobs try not to be confusing challenge

hollow shell
crude geode
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Exo Deus?!??!!!!!! 👀

lament shore
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22devcident is actually a cool name for the exodus

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it's like 9/11 for calamity community lol

hollow shell
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Maybe don't say that

lost valley
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Comet shard is the only one of the 3 that's a bit annoying bc you need a good amount of stardust but seeming it's a brand new biome that get added I think that's fine
For the core and the heart, they are fine, it's all stuff you'll get from just progressing

lament shore
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I personally don't find any problems looking for the dye parts myself

crude geode
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They show up with spelunker potion I’m pretty sure

lost valley
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tbh as a whole it's just slightly annoying

lament shore
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but if majority of the playerbase is annoyed by this why not change the dye parts with something else

hollow shell
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I would talk more about what our plans were for the 25HP fruits growing naturally but I dunno how public they are

lament shore
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if the entire purpose of dye parts is "do something in your world" like RoverdriveX said

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I don't give two flying fucks about whatever happens

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just trying to find a middle ground

lost valley
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if you wanna keep that idea in then there can be anything else in those slots

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imma think of em now

lament shore
half imp
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maybe instead of removing dye plants, swapping orange bloodroot for something that can be grown with bloom stone would be nice

lost valley
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blood orange could need some hallowed ore
miracle could use any of the post calclone abyss parts
elder could be exodium clusters
and for dragonfruit i can't think of anything

lost valley
half imp
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they're ceiling plants

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how

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does it grow them below the block you're standing on??

lost valley
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might be wrong but i thought it just grew em upright

hollow shell
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lol?

glass arch
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no bloodroot grows from the bottoms of tiles

lost valley
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i be spreading misinfo

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problem there is that you get the bloom stone after you'd normally be able to craft the blood orange

half imp
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it's one boss later

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if people really don't wanna go look they can wait a boss

fossil finch
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solution is to stop playing calamity mod

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play uhhh

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Memes Unleashed instead

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thing wasnt even ported to 1.4

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afaik

lost valley
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yeah but that's just dumb, they also need to know that the bloom stone exists and does anything

swift wharf
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I don't think that a new player is gonna trash them byeah it's a bit annoying

fossil finch
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this argument is very funny because it assumes the player is stupid and will not know anything of anything and is dumb and stupid

half imp
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they can still go find bloodroot it's not that hard to do

crude geode
lost valley
hollow shell
# lost valley Comet shard is the only one of the 3 that's a bit annoying bc you need a good am...

okay I'll just say it cuz it's not a big leak anyway

From what I recall correctly, you're kinda on the right track here with "it's a brand new biome that get added I think that's fine"

We planned on having Blood Orange grow in the Brimstone Crag,
Miracle Fruit grow in the Sunken Sea (which is why it looks like a "sea apple" now),
Elderberry grow on the undersides of Planetoids (which is why it has a "hanging" look now),
and Dragonfruit would grow in the long-planned Dragon Aerie biome

swift wharf
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surely you will keep at least one of each dye plant

lost valley
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this is 100% of the playerbase

fossil finch
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its also funny because it assumes people do not use the wiki (THE GAME OUTSIDE OF THE GAME EXISTS AND IS A VALID PART OF GAME DESIGN AND GAME BALANCE AND WHILE WIKI RELIANCE SUCKS ITS DUMB TO ASSUME YOUR PLAYERS WILL NEVER KNOW ANYTHING)

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you do not have to scan the wiki to know these things

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like if you were a new player youd be like wowie health upgrade and click on the article

lost valley
swift wharf
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dragon fruit turns you into stone

fossil finch
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rmemeber the elder berry tree

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that one was funn

swift wharf
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i think reworking the method of obtaining them is better than changing the recipe

lost valley
half imp
lament shore
half imp
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really any way to have them be more reliably obtainable (especially bloodroot) is nice

fossil finch
#

no players all start from knowing a lot of things actually
Even if its not concrete stuff from the game theyre playing
even then, theyre quick learners
Or you assume they are anyway

lost valley
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if you come from base terraria, how would you make the connection that dye items turn into permanent upgrades

lament shore
half imp
lament shore
half imp
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Although

lost valley
fossil finch
#

also a lot of new players ask for mod lists or general betterances and thus end up with recipe browser

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you could also just like

half imp
#

maybe the 4 dye plants should have a special tooltip

lament shore
lost valley
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i assume people playing calamity have played base terraria

half imp
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that indicates they have new use

fossil finch
#

have prior knowledge of these things before being new

hollow shell
fossil finch
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either because youve already consumed calamity content or just seen it from your friends and shit

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after all new players dont come out of nowhere they find calamity interesting from something and play it

swift wharf
#

I personally don't mind the dye plants since I'll find all of them by the time I get to plant

glacial iris
lament shore
swift wharf
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by just exploring

lost valley
hollow shell
swift wharf
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you don't need to be a completionist to do that

fossil finch
lost valley
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the amount of people i've seen in #help-advice-read-pins without any of the health ups at like yharon is a lot higher than you'd think

fossil finch
#

ok but i think that shows something that is actually a good point

hollow shell
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That is also a matter of letting players know that the upgrades exist at all

fossil finch
#

health upgrades arent necesserary

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they are not required

lost valley
#

they aren't but a lot isnt needed

glass arch
#

armor isnt required but its still helpful

crude geode
fossil finch
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it's not something imperious to get them

crude geode
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me when wiki digging

fossil finch
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armor is overblowing my point

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the 100 extra life is much less helpful than the armor progression the game has

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or using weapons or accs

lost valley
#

being down 75 max health is not like a 2% dmg boost of a dif

fossil finch
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or any other simile you try to make

hollow shell
#

Both vanilla and Calamity have big problems with just having things exist and not telling the player about them
Both get away with it via wiki power and sheer word of mouth I suppose

Minecraft was like that too, especially before the crafting book was added

fossil finch
#

and as rover said players not having them at that point is less them having dye plants in their recipes and more their existence not being known by those players

swift wharf
#

mentioning the wiki is kinda cheaty because the main objective is not using it

fossil finch
#

which just circles back to wiki over reliance and to the point that informing the players solves the issue anyway if the problem is that they do not know

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it is not cheaty if absolutely nothing is being done towards that objective

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calamity assumes you will eventually use its wiki

swift wharf
#

add life crystals to the recipe ultimatesmug

hollow shell
#

Yeah ultimately it is just bad game design if the player needs to rely on an external resource in order to get important items or see important features or outright progress through the game

Unless you're making an intentionally cryptic puzzle secrety game, like.. iunno, PT

fossil finch
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this is why minecraft modders invented patchouli

crude geode
#

you could just add a tooltip to the specific dye plants stating they're a 'fragment of a larger food...' or something implying they're used for something new/important

fossil finch
#

to be fair rover the point of those games is not using a wiki either

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is doing the cryptic puzzle secrety shit

hollow shell
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yeah true

fossil finch
#

... those games do more stuff now though

swift wharf
hollow shell
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Spelunky

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to an extent

fossil finch
#

internet and datamining are wide spread activities now

sullen swan
hollow shell
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Binding of Isaac...

sullen swan
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fragment of food hage

fossil finch
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you can't just put a secret in your game and expect it to remain hidden for ages

hollow shell
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They do state that they're Materials but they already stated that in vanilla, because they turn into dyes

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Would be nice to have that extra bit

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And, also, on Life Fruits too

lost valley
#

that's a nice fix

fossil finch
#

the obvious win here is to remove health upgrades

swift wharf
#

i mean life fruits are used for other stuff so i dont think its needed for them

fossil finch
#

also theyre not materials in vanilla

crude geode
#

life fruits aren't used for anything in vanilla yeah

fossil finch
#

unlike dye plants

lost valley
sullen swan
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“An ingredient to an exotic fruit once the steel abominations have fallen.”

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wait

swift wharf
#

in theory the player should check the recipe for the items they find

sullen swan
#

!!!

swift wharf
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not the recipe, what it can be used for

lament shore
sullen swan
#

what guide

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do you mean wof summon

fossil finch
hollow shell
fossil finch
#

its all part of my secret plant o remove the entirety of calamity and redo it

swift wharf
#

im actually referencing recipe browser because guide bad

fossil finch
#

no more weird dr formulas nobody knows about

sullen swan
lost valley
#

ok real suggestion

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make cuttlesfish not the rarest thing on the planet

glass arch
#

everyones been too distracted by the hp upgrades to notice my suggestion about meld blobs

swift wharf
#

i love when someone suggests something and we dig out 50 issues with the mod

sullen swan
#

idk I find it while exploring layer 2

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most of the time

crude geode
fossil finch
#

no jacob when nobody talks about your sugg is that its unremarkably agreeable

sullen swan
#

grahhhhh I disagree rogue players should suffer!!!1!1!

fossil finch
glass arch
swift wharf
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i am in severe pain

crude geode
#

I wonder what this suggestion will do to the chat

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(ik it's gonna get like 2 votes but whatever)

fossil finch
#

what sug

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oh

sullen swan
#

Martian invasionclueless

hollow shell
#

It's Pre-Martians???

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That sucks

crude geode
#

yes

fossil finch
#

nooooo we have to talk about vanilla design flaws now

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fuck shit

sullen swan
#

the event I never do until I need something from it

glass arch
#

yeah you can get it as soon as you can get the cyborg iirc

lost valley
#

speaking of useless events

crude geode
#

the original sugg asking for it even asked for it post-event, and it was still put post-golem instead

hollow shell
lost valley
#

🏴‍☠️

half imp
#

yes

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It's only after golem

fossil finch
#

martians unlock after golem so yea

half imp
#

I know bc I couldn't get it in low % (I checked though)

glass arch
#

but yes i agree with this suggestion

half imp
#

I agree too tbh

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probes are one of the only interesting and interactive ways to summon an invasion

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this last two weeks has had way too many good suggestions

crude geode
#

pretty sure it's literally the only one

fossil finch
# fossil finch nooooo we have to talk about vanilla design flaws now

anyways imagine if instead of the probe spawning every other blue moon itd be like an awesome like uh like imagine that like in one of the edges of the world you find some structure thats like just a pod and there you interact with an item and it summons the probe which sees you and goes up
Itd be kinda grandiouse for a shittey event but just imagine

glass arch
#

yeah every other invasion type event has a summon

half imp
#

cultist if you count that for celestial creatures are invading

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but yes

fossil finch
#

when is ay interact with an item i mean like some furniture thingy that like sends signals like "uhh probe come back" and the probe (clueless) does then finds you and remembers its purpose was seeing if there were any people to kill

swift wharf
#

make it like jardon's summon

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shoot beam into sky

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ez

fossil finch
#

again its grandiouse but its only grandious ebcause vanilla is alwasy boring and shitty as hell

crude geode
swift wharf
#

dardon

sullen swan
swift wharf
#

i mean vanilla has cool summons

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that arent use item and spawn boss

half imp
#

Guide voodoo doll my beloved

swift wharf
#

the only one that is not unique is like

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maybe eoc and mechs

fossil finch
#

guide voodoo doll is the bare minimun imo

swift wharf
#

and ks

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it's not a lot but it's something

crude geode
#

ks should only be summonable through slime rain clueless

swift wharf
#

oh i forgor slime rain existed

fossil finch
#

fake fan

half imp
#

honestly

swift wharf
#

i was thiking of the world thirds

half imp
#

having an item to start slime rain

fossil finch
#

doesnt know ks has a rare chance to spawn on the edges of the world if on a day and in a forust

half imp
#

would be cooler than directly summoning him

lament shore
#

ks being able to spawn randomly at the outer thirds of the world is so random I forget about it consistently

lament shore
half imp
#

I don't bc it happened to me in my funny pogo video

glass arch
half imp
#

and because remix seed makes him able to spawn in the middle of the map underground

swift wharf
#

I like how I remembered about the spawn quirk and not slime rain

#

bosses spawning at the end of events.........

glacial iris
half imp
#

queen slime has the spawner grow

#

That's unique

crude geode
glacial iris
#

I suppose

crude geode
#

god that boss is so unoriginal

swift wharf
#

you have been a slime to my rain

fossil finch
#

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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old duke

swift wharf
#

🔥 🖊️

fossil finch
#

the world if fabsol did not

swift wharf
#

It's just a silly Duke Fishron upgrade wdym

lament shore
#

eoc is meant to be the first boss players fight so it only makes sense it's an use and summon type of thing

swift wharf
lament shore
half imp
fossil finch
#

simply drops 4 times the loot... needs no unique bag sprite,......

crude geode
#

the world if we didn't add a stupid unoriginal boss to an otherwise beautiful event progression

fossil finch
#

its be a secret challenge....

half imp
#

old duke isn't exactly unoriginal

swift wharf
#

society if nuclear terror was the event boss

fossil finch
#

no it is the most unoriginal thing ever

half imp
#

but terror would be better I agree

fossil finch
#

it was literally just going to be duke ex at first

#

then silly creepy scope made it a boss

half imp
#

his fight is more unique than like

#

yharon

fossil finch
#

no?

swift wharf
#

jaron slander.........

fossil finch
#

like legitimately no

glass arch
#

yharon is my favorite fight in the mod ngl

glacial iris
#

yharon is pretty unique now

half imp
#

yharon is great

swift wharf
#

i like old duke's fight but the boss is

lament shore
#

even if that's subjectively true at least yharon's fun

glacial iris
#

maybe an older version

swift wharf
#

👴

half imp
#

I like yharon way more than OD

swift wharf
#

my guilty pleasure....

fossil finch
#

od still sucks big balls so who cares

half imp
#

so true

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I never do OD

lament shore
#

old duke literally has the rick and morty portals OF COURSE it sucks dick and balls

half imp
#

the sulphur vortexes are cool ideas and predictive dashes could be cool but man

fossil finch
#

never seen a better argument actually

half imp
#

I don't like them in practice

swift wharf
#

nobody will voice old duke now

fossil finch
#

im a shitty boss morty

glacial iris
#

nah I like od

crude geode
#

it's fine to like bad things

glacial iris
#

can't be having od slander

fossil finch
#

i am an uncreative addition almost all devs disliked morty

glacial iris
#

old duke>yharon

lament shore
swift wharf
#

morty im bored im gonna do horrible things to the development of the modification with the addition of an optional difficulty boss

fossil finch
#

you have been a calamity to this channel going offtopic

lament shore
#

morty I am gonna abuse my wife morty

swift wharf
#

grah

fossil finch
#

id say to suggest to remove od but like

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i think its obvious why that wouldnt pass

#

its fine though theyre making it actually a nuclear terror parasited dude

crude geode
#

what

fossil finch
#

i am not joking

swift wharf
#

that is the plan yes

fossil finch
#

apparently it was an idea testers had to make old duke better because they couldnt remove it before the exodus happened and theyre using it now

#

insane

crude geode
#

rad

swift wharf
#

infested juke

fossil finch
#

this will explain lorewise why old duke, despite being a dragon, is not ultra powerful, because its infected

#

100% real

#

i will die on the dukes are dragons hill because its stupid as hell specially with dragon attunment

swift wharf
#

make the od fight a fakeout and nuclear terror the real boss

crude geode
#

factual

cobalt pewter
#

get stick bugged

swift wharf
#

GET STICK BUGGED

#

🔥

fossil finch
#

itd be so awesome

crude geode
#

make nuclear terror your loot and he just breaks out of it

swift wharf
fossil finch
#

fabsol is sadly too weak for that

crude geode
#

so uh why is this sugg still up considering there's already a version of this in voting

swift wharf
#

different ish suggestion

crude geode
#

it's just a branch of the one in voting

drowsy plank
#

tooltips =/= removal of the change entirely

#

i suppose it does have it listed as part of it

#

but id rather vote for something that just adds the tooltips than the one that wants it removed

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because i dont want it removed

lament shore
#

wait who wants the 20 tombstone change to be removed

drowsy plank
#

id rather no tooltips and it stays the same than to have it removed so i just wouldnt vote for that one

#

@fierce mica

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oh i

#

didnt think that was gonna work

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discord just said "unknown user" so i assumed they had left

#

but yeah this person

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sorry for the ping lmao

lament shore
#

I mean b4 anyone says "skill issue" the bosses are hard

#

and mostly you beat them by trial and error

#

it's expected to a lot of tombstones to pile up

drowsy plank
#

oh they just think we get too many complaints about needing more gravestones to purposefully make it

lament shore
#

is seperating death-placed tombstones and player-placed tombstones a nightmare for devs

#

if it's an easy thing to do why not seperate those

drowsy plank
#

i uh
dont even know if there is a difference?

lament shore
#

yeah creating the difference

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would it be, like, hard to do it

#

I imagine it being a nightmare

drowsy plank
#

uhhhh
i dont exactly know a lot about terraria source code, but as a programmer i feel like it would be hard unless gravestones already have a flag to designated if they're "generated" like walls or something, or if that's something that would be easy to actually add and have checks for

lament shore
#

even if the "generated" flag doesn't exist it wouldn't be hard to add right?

#

whatever it would be impractical as fuck

#

I think keeping the tombstone count at 20 is the best pick

#

unless you suck or it's your first time playing the mod it wouldn't take more than 15 attempts to beat the boss right?

drowsy plank
#

it's not about beating the bosses it's about people who want to purposefully use the graveyard biome not understanding why it wont show up after 7 like in vanilla

lament shore
#

I am a fucking moron lol

half imp
#

a natural graveyard like Thorium adds could help

lament shore
#

informing players by adding a tooltip is better than removing the change entirely lol

drowsy plank
#

exactly why there are two suggestions about it

#

because they are worded very differently

lament shore
half imp
#

not necessarily

#

calamity adding a worm boss doesn't mean they plagiarized vanilla

swift wharf
#

if they only worked when the player placed them would be the best outcome because making 20 tombstones look good is hard

half imp
#

true

swift wharf
#

cuz most of the time you end up having to hide them or place them on platforms

lament shore
swift wharf
#

yea

serene tendon
#

Wow, most of the recent suggs have been really good

half imp
#

which is an issue tbh bc

#

Only top 20% of suggestions pass to dev

fossil finch
#

did the def of good change or is it the 3 exclamations youre counting as bad

crude geode
#

When the auto trash is sus

#

Also that title is. bad

#

You could just say “that increases drop chances”

hollow shell
#

@serene tendon Probably change the title to just say what the item does and don't even name it. Not everybody's played Stardew Valley and it's not that hard to explain in a few words

drowsy plank
#

reminds me of how people used to treat defiled lmao

serene tendon
hollow shell
#

(I did say "weapon" by habit but yeah I meant item)

#

Also yeah LOL defiled rune (defiled rune)

serene tendon
serene tendon
half imp
#

I agree

hollow shell
#

That was how it used to work, we intentionally changed it to the system it has now

#

Because the server activity increases and decreases over time (generally trending toward increasing)
So any fixed number has to keep getting updated to account for that and keep the amount of suggs getting delivered reasonable

#

And we did have to do that

half imp
#

so true

#

wish there was a better middle ground but idk what it would be

hollow shell
#

.

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req was 35 stars, then 50, then 65, then 90, then 120, then 170, then 240, then lowered to 200 (special exception for server suggs being 140)

#

Then we jsut decided "Hey, if we have to constantly update the star req to have a reasonable amount of suggs flowing in, why don't we just make it so it's always that reasonable amount?"
We knew it was around 20% or 25%, that's the number we strived towards when updating the star reqs
(I made spreadsheets and tallied all the star counts, by hand, myself. In Excel. Every time the requirement had to be changed)

#

So

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We had the bot just take the top 20% always

half imp
#

maybe making it take top 20% based on the last three weeks or something would be better

#

bc the last week has had so many good suggestions that it's a shame quite a few won't pass

hollow shell
#

Suggestions can be re-suggested if they fail

half imp
#

yea

hollow shell
#

And they often are, just unintentionally

half imp
#

so true

hollow shell
#

We had that Deus Meld Blob suggestion already a week or two ago

half imp
#

was it really that recent? wow

hollow shell
#

or uhhh hm I thought we did
Quick search isn't showing anything though

#

We may have just talked about it but no sugg actually resulted, oops

crude geode
#

Happens a lot

grim tusk
#

@serene tendon

#

!wiki old die

red stormBOT
grim tusk
#

Luck helps with getting items

#

Maybe address that

#

Also this feels or is a SIS

#

Maybe just change it to “item that increases drop chances” (although luck helps in that too)

serene tendon
grim tusk
#

When I grinded RoD in vanilla luck was helpful as fuck

serene tendon
grim tusk
#

So address luck and the specific item mentioned (on the title at least, you could say an item similar to the stardew valley item that increases droprates for arguing)

#

“The Burglar's Ring doubles drop rates when equipped. Common drops would drop twice as much, and rare drops are twice as likely. If you don't want a specific rare item, just don't equip the ring.”

This section is my main issue that flags it as a SIS in my eyes

#

The rest and the intention are fine

sinful violet
#

it's a SIS in all technicalities but isnt really the reason they were killed so it doesnt really matter either way

fossil finch
#

Rover did not say anything bout that it's ok

serene tendon
sinful violet
#

well

#

either way it is in contention with luck

serene tendon
sinful violet
#

but also luck sucks as a system

#

so it might be easier to just suggest improvements to luck in terms of readability and accessibility

grim tusk
#

Aint luck in the stat meter? + Old die exists

serene tendon
grim tusk
#

And you can also make luck potions with blood orbs

grim tusk
#

Maybe like ask for an old die buff?

serene tendon
hollow shell
#

wait what

#

No Mewk this isn't what I meant for you to do
I wanted you to remove all mentions of the Burglar's Ring

#

and just replace it with something like "Add an item that boosts drop rates"

serene tendon
hollow shell
#

(but uh yeah vanilla luck does exist, and we do have Old Die)

#

(I forgot about that)

sinful violet
serene tendon
#

!wiki Old Die

red stormBOT
sinful violet
#

so easily missable

serene tendon
#

It just increases luck by 0.2, seems minor

sinful violet
#

wouldn't be insanely difficult to have luck display as a choice alongside cellphone stats

hollow shell
#

Luck's maximum value is 1

#

think of it as 20% and 100%

sinful violet
#

well

serene tendon
#

Oh, so it isn't minor lol

sinful violet
#

the more important factor's how much capped luck really does

#

which im not familiar with

serene tendon
sinful violet
#

also because outside of luck potions and old die the ladybug and garden gnome stuff's arguably just not worth the time spent because of such little visible impact

#

I see

hollow shell
#

Potentially turns a 10% into a 20%

undone cedar
#

Terraria luck truly is one of the game mechanics of all time

sinful violet
#

there's a more readable explanation yeah

#

it's not small, but the amount of random stuff you have to do and upkeep to manage it's just not really worth it when you can just brute force it with zerg or something

#

items not even affected by luck notwithstanding

hollow shell
#

I mean with just Old Die and Strong Luck Potion, that's 50% instantly
Have the right torches around and that's 70%

#

then you can start squeezing out further percentages from the weird mechanics

grim tusk
#

Ladybugs

sinful violet
serene tendon
sinful violet
#

For like a 4% increase to a 10% chance drop

hollow shell
#

(having accs from the Horseshoe and Lucky Coin lines bring that up to 80%)

sinful violet
#

I'm reading this correctly right?

grim tusk
#

Then throw money into shimmer

sinful violet
#

Even capping out luck it's kinda just

#

😶

hollow shell
#

Yes on average it is turning a 10% into about 15%

grim tusk
#

Well its an average 5% increase

#

Sometimes more, sometimes less

sinful violet
#

On average yeah

hollow shell
#

It adds a roll to your roll so you can see it turned into a 20% drop rate for a given roll

#

(which is kinda stupid and it'd be a lot more intuitive if it just boosted the rate directly)

grim tusk
sinful violet
#

Yeah and while there are easy things to do for it

#

Those get you like a tiny edge

#

And to Go Even Further Beyond you gotta minmax it for what seem like pretty diminishing returns for effort

#

-luck doubter

serene tendon
#

I'm gonna add stuff about luck, give me a moment

sinful violet
#

was about to say yeah

hollow shell
#

indeed, would be prudent to mention

sinful violet
#

double lucks item-rate effect or stack on top of luck's already existing mechanic in that field

#

given that it doesnt apply to all items i assume it's gotta be manually added to drop rates??

hollow shell
#

Luck does at least show that we can globally boost drop rates now
Pre-1.4 that would have been impossible because every drop was a raw Rand roll right in the code

sinful violet
#

oops!

hollow shell
#

funny

small timber
#

make lucky increase luck so that it become an option to help with farming

sinful violet
#

i dont know what the fuck cal does to Lucky nowadays but that'd make it a direct upgrade to menacing lmao

#

at least

#

in vanilla

small timber
#

4% crit like vanilla, menacing is 4% damage

#

could also just give menacing something else

crude geode
#

Never thought about this

#

(Problem #203647 with making not enough themes for sets)

half imp
#

4% crit

half imp
#

iirc

#

or wait no

#

That's lucky horseshoe

#

nvm

grim tusk
#

@serene tendon remove the doubling (exact value) and we good

serene tendon
grim tusk
#

I wonder if theres a way to make randos not react to messages if someone reacted, or at least remove their exclams

half imp
#

mods can remove reactions

serene tendon
blazing kettle
#

you cab make the bot autmatically block everyone

half imp
#

or anyone with manage message

grim tusk
grim tusk
serene tendon
#

Do I do it?

#

Is the sugg good to go?

grim tusk
#

Yea seems fine now

#

Altho its 2 exclams

#

@hollow shell could you snap the exclamations by 2 randos away

blazing kettle
#

why cant you do it?

half imp
#

they're not server mod

serene tendon
#

Being a dev doesn't matter, it seems

hollow shell
grim tusk
#

👍

blazing kettle
#

why would you want this

#

it actively makes your armor worse

#

and the cosmic plushie thing is an easter egg anyways

small timber
#

there is only 2 situation that I can think where you dont want your minion to be just there

underworld WOF (have blocker)
or cultist (destroy dungeon entrance or just suggest adding blocker)

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in any other case why will you not want a minion that just kill things around you passively?

blazing kettle
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a free minion at that

hollow idol
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~~me dev testing certain bosses and not wanting a minion to kill them while wanting the armor’s other bonuses HDfailure ~~
more of a dev thing

frosty trellis
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Or just wanting to see how a weapon preforms without the minion killing stuff or trying to pre-damage for rage

cobalt pewter
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then add it to the testing tool

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wait clueless exists here now

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awesome

hollow idol
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adding clueless to this server was my greatest accomplishment this year

cobalt pewter
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incredible

crude geode
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it absolutely was

crude geode
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“I think it would be a great rework” being the only reasoning while the rest is SIS item like suggestion is. bad

lost valley
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i think it will be great Gigachad

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tbh i didnt even know this item existed

crude geode
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mfw doesn’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of every reworked weapon

frosty trellis
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(I will say though that the r.click Mana drain is completely worthless bc Mana Regen pots and band)

crude geode
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Can’t you use it in addition to those

frosty trellis
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You Regen Mana way to fast for it to be useful

lost valley
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tf you using all that mana for

frosty trellis
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With Mana Regen pots + band or Mana jelly you Regen all of your 280-300 Mana in maybe 2 seconds

crude geode
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Truly a mana regen moment

frosty trellis
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Cal buffs Mana Regen by a lot

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So the Mana drain is worthless

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The r.click needs something to make it stand out though

lost valley
frosty trellis
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Yeah

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Mana Regen in vanilla sucks

lost valley
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is it only while standing still

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bc moving made it horrific

frosty trellis
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Standing still your mana Regens extremely quickly and even when moving it's way better than vanilla

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With Mana Regen pots

crude geode
lost valley
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regen while moving in vanilla was pretty dismal

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mana star statues taxevasion

crude geode
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I do think the concept of increasing mana regen off of a weapon is interesting but uh yeah mana regen already op

frosty trellis
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Yeah

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It does need a rework but it needs to be in a suggestion that's not sis as hell

crude geode
frosty trellis
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Let me introduce you to: Drunk Seed

crude geode
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What’s a drunk seed clueless /j

frosty trellis
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(Thought you were about to start shouting curses at me for mentioning that)

crude geode
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(Someone make a seed where you can obtain auric pre boss so we can ignore seeds from here on out)

frosty trellis
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Lmaoooooooo

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Don't even need to make a seed
Sub world library

cobalt pewter
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that prosthesis sugg is blatantly sis

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also I'm fairly sure summoner wasn't initially meant to have exo mechs drop, but I guess they added 2 now

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so yeah mage is now the only one left

lost valley
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yeah i think they'll just add em someday

cobalt pewter
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just make each class have 3 weapons and each mechs have a weapon of each class clueless

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I love clueless frfr

lost valley
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bc i can't think of a reason to not have em

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real

hollow shell
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@solemn sleet You're not supposed to make suggestions like that

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Read the Don'ts Doc we have in the pins

solemn sleet
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im sorry idk im new to the server :c

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i will try my best

solemn sleet
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i mean, it did a regular enter

hollow shell
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That's not the thing I wanted you to look at

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But, correct doc

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It's this:

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solemn sleet
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i did add intricate details though

lost valley
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💀

hollow shell
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Yes that's the problem. You shouldn't do that.

solemn sleet
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you mean i should add a reason why i think this should be implemented in the game?

solemn sleet
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so i should just delete all the stat details and post it again?

frail mantle
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It’s recommended you elaborate less on the How of your suggestion and more on the Why

hollow shell
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What problem are you trying to solve with your suggestion?

solemn sleet
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i want lifesteal potions to start existing xd

lost valley
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💀

solemn sleet
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or do we have that already in calamity and im just not aware of it?

lost valley
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there's a reason it isnt a thing

solemn sleet
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yeah its broken ik, but you see, i added a lot of things that balance it out

hollow shell
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Not that I'm aware of
(and looking in the delete logs it actually kinda sounds like a cool idea. I am a fan of alt healing potions, and having one that provides 0 base healing but instead grants you a temporary strong lifesteal could be a cool idea, if perhaps hard to balance)

lost valley
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lifesteal is just a really hard thing to balance

solemn sleet
lost valley
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it's either absurd or useless

solemn sleet
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so the amount of healing it provides scales with the amount of dmg you do

hollow shell
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but uhh
Yeah, in general,
the purpose of the suggestion channels here is to solve problems, explaining what those problems are and why someone's proposed solution (if any) would be sufficient to solve it

Generally you should not start from a cool idea you came up with and then try working backwards to find what problem it solves. That's very cumbersome and usually quite obvious in the final product

solemn sleet
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it solves the problem of the game having no fun lifesteal shinanigens :c

lost valley
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i mean there's the rogue accs

solemn sleet
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ehhhhhh

hollow shell
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https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vampiric_Talisman TrollModerate

Calamity Mod Wiki
Vampiric Talisman

The Vampiric Talisman is a craftable Hardmode accessory. While equipped, it increases rogue damage by 12% and heals the player on rogue weapon critical hits. The amount healed is 1.1% the damage dealt, rounded down and up to a maximum of 5, meaning a minimum of 92 damage (a crit of 46) must be dealt in order to receive any healing. The lifesteal...

lost valley
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not that one

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well that one is kinda doodo

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the glove is the good one

hollow shell
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I played back when it was pretty cracked so I have good memories of it

solemn sleet
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the lifesteal potion is universal

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not just for rogue's

hollow shell
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Here's a list of all the lifesteal sources in the mod
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Lifesteal#Lifestealing_Items

Calamity Mod Wiki
Lifesteal

Lifesteal is a mechanic utilized by some weapons and other items which causes the player to be healed upon damaging an enemy. This is done via direct healing when the attack hits, the spawning of a healing projectile which heals the player on touch, or the spawning of Hearts.

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Every class has access to it at multiple points

solemn sleet
hollow shell
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That's.. that's not how this works

solemn sleet
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im sorry for trying to be creative i should just keep my idea's for myself and my own cool game that i will never create because im no game dev ._.

hollow shell
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mood

solemn sleet
hollow shell
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Yeah, these channels are not a good outlet for creativity, unfortunately

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Great for discussing game design and working out practical solutions, and stuff

solemn sleet
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there ARE no good channels for creativity outlets

hollow shell
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An engineer's channel rather than an artist's HDFailure

solemn sleet
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in ALL of terraria

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the devs of the base game aren't looking forward to implementing crap in the base game anymore. they keep saying this update is the last update

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you know what i mean?