suggestions-discussion

[half imp]

but especially considering Exos drops are not random so you only have to do one kill if you're wanting a specific drop

it would be nice to not have scal's be as random

[grim tusk]

For Crushsaw I’d rework it first before adding another upgrade

Rn its identity is scuffed

[crude geode]

Evil2's rotten matter kinda. has a scuffed identity.

[drowsy plank]

Evil2s in general have scuffed identity

[half imp]

so true

[crude geode]

very factual

[drowsy plank]

this is why you should vote for my evils2 progression rework :)))))

@whole tundra that is not how you should format a suggestion, infact, you should probably remove the "personal opinons" label and make that part more of the suggestion, because right now, your reasoning is very weak besides "well items do not look like crafting materials!" which like... yeah none of the weapons do lmao

but using that as a method to force the player to explore more

well that is actual reasoning

cause atm all im hearing is "make it harder to get victide items because.....????"

and like a lot of them suck rn anyway so like a double bad idea lmfao

[whole tundra]

Yeah Victide items right now are literally haha go beat Desert Scourge 3 times

[crude geode]

"more about the suggestion" is entirely unneccessary

in terms of titling

it just seems weird and out of place

bc we know the text is supposed to be about the sugg

[drowsy plank]

write a suggestion properly impossible challenge

[hollow shell]

overall good suggestion tho

[fervent orbit]

the title explains better than the actual suggestion

[novel belfry]

Reed Blowgun should use darts, but also have a right-click option that does what it currently does
change me mind

[crude geode]

I don't like arguing with people who think dart weapons deserve rights

[drowsy plank]

darts are dumb and the only option you have where you get reed blowgun are poison darts and seeds

[novel belfry]

please explain

[blazing kettle]

i used dart pistol for twins once, they were okay

[crude geode]

First 3 words here is why

It’s really just. something that can be put on arrows to make them cooler when they kinda have the shining identity of wet paste

Instead of yet another underdeveloped ranged weapon type

[naive sky]

I have deleted my suggestion.

[hollow shell]

Coulda worked, imo. With edits

[naive sky]

Nah.

I didn't even read the rules, it was my fault.

[worldly basalt]

what did it say i forgot

[naive sky]

Doesn't matter.

[drowsy plank]

lol

[swift wharf]

but the suggestion was good 😭

[worldly basalt]

what was it though

[naive sky]

It really wasn't, hun.

[worldly basalt]

but what even was it

[naive sky]

Augment the Monk and Shinobi Infiltrator armour sets into rogue class.

It really feels like it was meant to be a rogue set, especially the Shinobi Infiltrator with its theme. I always thought it felt a little out of place that they're both melee sets when we already have that in the form of the Squire and Valhalla Knight.

[swift wharf]

turn shinobi armor into rogue

[worldly basalt]

oh that one yea

[drowsy plank]

didnt rover literally change the rules so it could pass

lmao

[worldly basalt]

the reason it broke the rule was cause it took off the melee damage, so just tack on the rogue without removing melee and it would be fine

[swift wharf]

melee has two armors fuck melee

[drowsy plank]

frankly melee/rogue armor sounds cool anyway lol

[naive sky]

That'd make it overpowered.

[swift wharf]

triple hybrid armor

[worldly basalt]

not really, you can only use one damage type at a time

[swift wharf]

trybrid armor

[worldly basalt]

except summoner but thats not the point

and the sugg just makes sense, isn't the set inferior for melee compared to squire and val anyway?

[naive sky]

I thought everyone hated the suggestion.

[swift wharf]

no i hate melee

[worldly basalt]

nah it just broke a rule on a technicality

the idea itself just makes sense

[swift wharf]

rare occasion where we have a good suggestion that breaks a rule

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest we bash people hard sometimes bc people usually arent open to feedback that would easily make their suggestion valid

[naive sky]

I didn't read the rules before posting, that's my fault.

[swift wharf]

amphi

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

yeah i'm gonna start getting mad NOW

you should READ the RULES so that your suggestion is VALID and can be sent to #suggestions-voting because it is actually GOOD ..... NOW

[drowsy plank]

[naive sky]

I did, that's why I deleted it.

[worldly basalt]

just edit it to say adding rogue damage without removing the melee and it won't break it anymore

[drowsy plank]

^

[swift wharf]

i mean does melee really need a second set

[drowsy plank]

also it would still suck so dw about it being broken like just look at fearmonger

[naive sky]

There's no way to fix it without making it superior to every other OOA set and making them completely useless.

[worldly basalt]

stinky melee doesnt deserve a second set

[worldly basalt]

multiple different damage types doesnt change much

[worldly basalt]

Read:

[drowsy plank]

you could make the damage all class and it would probably still be worse than valhalla's regen

[swift wharf]

melee has like

cobalt to orichalcum in the monk tier

and hydrothermic + 2 beetle + valhala in the post golem tier

[drowsy plank]

rogue has uhhhhh that astral wood one

[swift wharf]

make monk good ppl actually do the event for the armor

but not that good so it's not mandatory or smth

[drowsy plank]

and that's it

[naive sky]

Plus, if I repost my suggestion that's just removing the issues it got flagged with. It'd be unfairly advantaged and I'd likely get banned or something for trying to circumvent the rules.

[worldly basalt]

???

[swift wharf]

you don't get banned from posting an invalid suggestion

please don't be hard on yourself

[worldly basalt]

if there's an issue fixing it is what your supposed to do

also you're allowed to post 2 suggestions per 24 hours anyway

[swift wharf]

you don't get banned from breaking the suggestion rules*

[naive sky]

I thought that if there's an issue, you have to give up because that means it's a bad suggestion.

[worldly basalt]

there's a thing in the doc that says after posting a suggestion you should stay online for a few minutes for input from this channel or something

[drowsy plank]

if you dont post it i will

[worldly basalt]

so thats like. this channels whole purpose

[worldly basalt]

Dew it

[drowsy plank]

later but yeah

[naive sky]

Yeah, do it. See what'll happen to you.

[worldly basalt]

(it will be voted on)

[naive sky]

I promise it won't.

[worldly basalt]

I promise it will.

[naive sky]

They'll recognise the suggestion, they'll question why it's back after the verdict was no, they'll realise someone "stole" it, they'll punish both of us.

[fossil finch]

we d i==o we ghave to bloat recipes

failure

[worldly basalt]

the verdict wasn't no, you deleted it

huh

[naive sky]

Oh no, is that the fuckin zoo symbol in your username?

[fossil finch]

no?

[worldly basalt]

idk looks like a squiggle to me

[fossil finch]

it is not my fucking business what greek symbol people with problems in the head use to represent their shit

[ashen warren]

@ashen warren how will your suggestion work with multiplayer

will it calculate upon the bag opening?

[swift wharf]

that is up to the devs iirc

[fossil finch]

itd just implode

honestly id ont really agree with make it drop class weapon

specially cuz a lot of bosses drop materials for another set you can get a better class weapon out of to refarm the boss if you want

[worldly basalt]

what if they made it so the lore items could be crafted into one of any drop

[ashen warren]

thats just Calamity Loot Swap

[fossil finch]

lore items only drop once and outisde that theyre crafted from trophies

feels bloaty and convoluted

[worldly basalt]

yea so you'd only get guaranteed the first time

[ashen warren]

once again multiplayer is an issue

[naive sky]

I'm so sorry.

[fossil finch]

i think the solution is not doing this becaus eits not really an actual problem

terrarias about farming

i think

imo

honestly

dog taking 56 kills for the armor is too much yeah but killing a boss once or twice for a weapon isnt an issue

[fossil finch]

you dont really have to be i just think people should not assume so much when th esymbols are pretty pre stablished before someone used it for their shit

[naive sky]

To furries, it's like seeing a Buddhist swastika. It means peace but our first thought is immediately the bad one.

Again, I'm so sorry.

[fossil finch]

i thought using it for that was pretty recent but whatever

best to move on

it's ok

[naive sky]

Sorry for the tangent.

[fossil finch]

anyway what we were talking about

imo boss farming for specific weapon is a non issue because

a lot of bosses have useful side stuff aside from just weapon

and a lot of them also just have a whole other material set for them

AND for the latest sugg i really just want to ask why would we ever do this

why bloat recipes

theyre sea remains yeah theyre already include everything you need for the weapon

no need to make them more complicated arbitrarily

[worldly basalt]

Does this seem good?

Give Monk and Shinobi Infiltrator sets Rogue damage and effects

Rogue has no OOA hybrid sets. Meanwhile, Melee has two. On top of that, the sets' themes more closely align with Rogue than Melee. To align with the suggestion rule, Melee damage would have to be kept on the set, but using Melee and Rogue damage at the same time would not be much of an issue. Optionally, the Melee stats could simply be removed, as the sets are overshadowed by the Squire and Valhalla knight anyway.

[swift wharf]

looks fine

[frosty trellis]

Simple, straight to the point, and thematic theming while not breaking any rules

Looks good to me

[worldly basalt]

is it too short or did i forget to mention something?

[swift wharf]

i'd add maybe removing melee stats as a possiblity to it

[worldly basalt]

can't

[swift wharf]

as a possibility

[worldly basalt]

not allowed to remove an item from a class because that would be 'taking away options'

oh i see what you mean

[fossil finch]

this is pretty silly

[swift wharf]

it is VERY silly

does melee need more options 😭

[worldly basalt]

added a part to the end

[fossil finch]

imagine if it applied to every

[worldly basalt]

i don't recognize that sprite

[fossil finch]

you do not

it is heart rapier

[swift wharf]

GOOD

[fossil finch]

a prehardmode lance like weapon that was used for nothing

it gives name to The Heart Rapier Syndrome

[worldly basalt]

really? looks like it could be a dragonfolly drop

[fossil finch]

a physicological effect caused by removing weapons nobody ever cared about and suddenly everyone cares

[worldly basalt]

anyway should i post the sugg?

[fossil finch]

it doesnt what

[swift wharf]

it kinda does

[worldly basalt]

looks like the feather item

[fossil finch]

neither folly's reds or weird yellowish colors look like that

[swift wharf]

it's yellow ish and red

[frosty trellis]

..... I hate you

[fossil finch]

failure

[frosty trellis]

It does

[fossil finch]

it doesnt

[swift wharf]

it looks

[worldly basalt]

it kinda do tho

[frosty trellis]

Look at golden eagle and then tell me it doesn't

[fossil finch]

yall see something purple and go "oh it looks like cosmilite

[swift wharf]

it's more dragonfolly themed than heart rapier themed

[worldly basalt]

anyway though should i post the revision?

[swift wharf]

ender where is the heart in the heart rapier....

[fossil finch]

it fucking doesnt the style and colors ae insane different

skill issue

[worldly basalt]

the red is spiraling around the yellow, just like the feather

[swift wharf]

hold on

[worldly basalt]

tell me they dont look similar

[fossil finch]

i'm killing you

they do not

[frosty trellis]

They do

[fossil finch]

anyways post the sugg so i can kill you

[frosty trellis]

Stop coping Neko

[worldly basalt]

ok

[fossil finch]

they do not!!! yall the ones coping

[worldly basalt]

ok posted

[worldly basalt]

as someone with no former knowledge of it, it looks like a dragonfolly drop

[swift wharf]

[fossil finch]

as the person with the right opinions it doesnt

look how much you had to satureate it for it to look even slightly close

[worldly basalt]

it totally does

[fossil finch]

even then its still so wildy different

[worldly basalt]

its the brownish yellow with red spiraling around it

[fossil finch]

the reed bit is clearly crystal!!!!!! if you think its elect

[swift wharf]

severe heart rapier syndrome

[frosty trellis]

Idk fam looks pretty similar to me

[swift wharf]

very ill

LMAO

EVEN WITHOUT THE SATURATION

[fossil finch]

they fucking do not

[swift wharf]

[worldly basalt]

they totally do

[swift wharf]

extreme amounts of copium

overdose of copium

[fossil finch]

go fuck yourselves

[worldly basalt]

sorry for associating dragonfolly to the lance thing for you, now you will get ptsd later when you fight dragonfolly 😔

@naive sky the revision is officially posted

[frosty trellis]

Neko! Enderpikmen 🌼 Endlesscoping

[swift wharf]

i dont even remember this one

[worldly basalt]

old dragonfolly drop sprite discovered

[glass arch]

is that fucking swordsplosion

[fossil finch]

ok thats literally bloodstone i will give thatto you

[fossil finch]

insane to think this got 3 sprites before anyone went "who uses this"

[swift wharf]

uncanny

[naive sky]

sorry i was in a dreadful mood

hence why i was so harsh on myself and the suggestion

i've sorta calmed down a bit now

thanks for believing in it, despite the rules it didn't follow

but the funny thing is that i actually copied it to clipboard before deleting it, so i must've known it was a good idea. just couldn't even commit to deleting it.

[swift wharf]

[grim tusk]

@worldly basalt suggestion dont

[worldly basalt]

the one about not taking options away? i already accounted for that

[grim tusk]

Im still conflicted it being allowed since the rule change happened without approval from Ozz or Fab and it was made by someone not in the dev team

[worldly basalt]

thats what the third line is for, just keeping both because it wouldnt cause that many problems

[grim tusk]

Also in the case of OoA armors being 3 classes its wack

Also similarly Rogue obsidian got anhilated due to it being a vanilla summoner armor and would conflict with its vanilla identity

[worldly basalt]

shinobi's vanilla identity is 'inferior to valhalla'

[grim tusk]

Have you tried messing with the melee speed tho?

Also I’d rather add a new armor rather than converting an existing one

Maybe it could drop from enemies?

[worldly basalt]

why does melee get two armors for the exact same purpose anyway

[crude geode]

melee bias

[grim tusk]

@hearty yew thoughts on this?

[hearty yew]

I approve. @grim tusk @hollow shell

That is well worded and I think that converting vanilla items to rogue is not something that should be suggested.

Well, uh, Throwing Knives but

_>

[grim tusk]

Your suggestion has become valid

[worldly basalt]

nice

[hearty yew]

yeah

shinobi infiltrator sounds like a fucking rogue set

[worldly basalt]

shinobi in particular really fits in rogue

yea

[hearty yew]

why does melee get two sets? idk, dd2 shit

screw that it can be a hybrid rogue melee set

that's already way more interesting

[worldly basalt]

technically my sugg was just a revision of someone else's who deleted it cause they thought it was invalid

[crude geode]

rogue melee summoner

[hearty yew]

what an accursed combination

i love it

[worldly basalt]

@naive sky congrats

[naive sky]

it's a lie it cannot be true

[hollow shell]

[naive sky]

theory: they're just afraid of what the man behind the slaughter will do to them if they reject it

[worldly basalt]

no i have standards, only children will be harmed

[grim tusk]

Bro I have a scythe to defend myself anyways

Anyways maybe we should add a rogue item to go along with the armor if it passes

[worldly basalt]

like to ooa?

[crude geode]

I was about to say 'i mean summoner doesn't get a drop', completely forgetting the 4 different weapons

shows how either my memory is shit or the weapons are dogshit

[worldly basalt]

tbh i forgot everything BUT the sentries

[half imp]

No?

Shinobi is better for a lot of weapons in terms of DPS in vanilla, especially if you do a mixed armor set

however since cal nerfed OOA armor set mixing

[worldly basalt]

either way it fits rogue

[half imp]

now it's basically just inferior to vallhalla

technically not from a crossover perspective but I don't think that's a worry

then again, they don't touch crossover boss loot or AI

so idk

[worldly basalt]

and the new version will still boost melee anyway, it will just also boost rogue

[half imp]

yeah if it's both it's much less an issue

The real suggestion though is reduce summon damage penalty on OOA armors

they did it for forbidden armor but not OOA afaik

[crude geode]

there's been a couple of suggestions regarding it

drumming up support for OOA is always a pain though

[worldly basalt]

how did that one suggestion about disabling the summon penalty during ooa end up?

[half imp]

we've had them pass before

Rn my recent one is at 162 stars

[worldly basalt]

nice

[half imp]

It's making it to next stage at least

by far the most stars recently

(second is destroyer getting worm map)

[serene tendon]

Ninja armor? Gladiator Armor?

[hearty yew]

[serene tendon]

Both armors that were converted to rogue in Cal

[frosty trellis]

Ninja didn't what

[serene tendon]

It did

used to if not currently

[frosty trellis]

Ninja is a shitty mobility armor bc movement speed in cal does very little unless you go for a full ms build

[serene tendon]

Back in 1.3 it was a rogue armor, apparently it got reversed in the port

[half imp]

yeah bc vanilla made it actually armor

[half imp]

MS is only notable with ground movement

[cobalt pewter]

Ninja became a mobility armor

Gladiator literally has nothing before it becomes rogue

they will only chnsge sets to rogue if they have practically no effects

obsidian armor was reverted

[serene tendon]

Gladiator has KB immunity

[cobalt pewter]

KB immunity is literally nothing

the pieces only give defense still

[gilded scroll]

we have a ❗ here

[drowsy plank]

@glossy pelican please read the rules

in the pins

[glass arch]

@glossy pelican no

[glossy pelican]

:/

[gilded scroll]

besides, if you want a weapon, time travel back to when you can pay to be a donor

or REALLY convince a dev its a good idea

[glass arch]

or just make the weapon yourself

[gilded scroll]

(the first two are impossible)

devs dont really care, to be honest

[drowsy plank]

lol mod it yourself impossible challenge

[gilded scroll]

i might make my own weapon and see if it passes

(we all know that wont happen)

[worldly basalt]

new weapon
gun (crafted with 1 iron bar
99999999 damage

[half imp]

I decided I was done with cal ignoring sentries and decided to mod them to be good myself

and I have been

[worldly basalt]

wdym ignoring sentries???? there's literally like two of them 😡

[gilded scroll]

when mod coming out

[half imp]

beta version is out

balanced for vanilla mostly

I'm in the process of balancing for calamity

(gonna take ages)

[gilded scroll]

im thinking about doing Thorium sentry only lmfao, anyways, goodbye

[swift wharf]

kid named lightning aura staff

just ditch the melee stats on god

[blazing kettle]

weapon sugg? in this day and age?

was it a melee weapon or a refrence

[worldly basalt]

neither

it was classless and had some sort of rhythm game baked in

[blazing kettle]

ah

fun

[worldly basalt]

holy hell friday night funking refernece???

[blazing kettle]

sounds like somebody liked thorium too much

[worldly basalt]

i'm pretty sure it was a DDR style one not just thorium's system

[blazing kettle]

how the hell would that work

[swift wharf]

sis moment

[worldly basalt]

it froze you in place and gave like 85% dr for the duration and would give buffs depending on performance i think?

[blazing kettle]

play osu to nuke the screen!!!

[worldly basalt]

pretty much

[half imp]

OOA has corresponding main weapons + sentries +armors

for example

Flying Dragon - vallhalla knight - ballista

are all "squire"

Sky Dragon's Fury and Sleepy Octopod are the monk weapons for OOA

[crude geode]

they're referring to the stupid interaction with lightning aura that rogue stealth has

[half imp]

what

what does it do

does it buff lightning aura damage for some reason

[grim tusk]

Wait doesnt Lightning aura only take summoner stats?

[half imp]

it does

Or well

It should

[frosty trellis]

Someone needs to see if lighting aura scales with stealth now....

[half imp]

that changes a lot if so

adding rogue stealth to Shinobi would be so broken

[grim tusk]

Its prob just double armor pen being funky

[half imp]

it already has one of the best set bonuses in terms of DPS increase on a weapon

[half imp]

technically auras don't use armor pen

[frosty trellis]

Aura's just ignore defense entirely

[half imp]

They just add the damage that defense would reduce to their strike

Effectively ignoring defense

It would be nice if they ignored DR too (if it was below 90% or something to prevent cheesing worms and provi)

since DR makes them kinda useless

[swift wharf]

What I mean is

Each set buffs a weapon

Shinobi and monk already buff lightning auta

aura*

So you don't need to add a rogue weapon

or a rogue related sentry weapon idfk

but if you wanna add rogue weapons to betsy das ok

[worldly basalt]

no other class had a sentry

they were definitely referring to the ogre and betsy stuff

[crude geode]

I remember someone complaining about stealth/summoner

[grim tusk]

Clearly Forbidden Circlet

(Its very bad)

[crude geode]

true

something about like. stealth buffing the damage of other classes

I cannot remember the details for the life of me (cuz i'm not a nerd about balance 😎 )

[frosty trellis]

@half imp

[half imp]

it's actually meta

for summonner

fastest plant kill time of all armors with micro of tornado

assuming no whips

(The tornado gets stealth damage bonus)

[glass arch]

doze on his way to make everything meta with minmaxing and extreme micro

[frosty trellis]

Lmaooooo

[half imp]

So true

I made magical conch meta

nothing is safe

[frosty trellis]

We also found out the hydrothermic vent minion from the armor shreds Cultists

(Or rather, Doz found out)

[half imp]

true

1:00 cultist with just the vent

[naive sky]

sus

[half imp]

I think I didn't even have reforges when I got the 1:00 cultist

oops

or buffs

[small timber]

you know what the funny thing is

I think it was bugged and the set bonus only works 1 way because I remember testing it for bug report

[glass arch]

everything is good if doze can find out how to use it correctly

[small timber]

which is why it is so dogshit

[half imp]

it's not bad

fun fact

Forbidden circlet tornadoes inflict flask debuffs

I wonder if they proc other rogue effects

[glass arch]

[novel belfry]

WHAT THE FUCK?

(i mean whips get flask debuffs, but that's)

[naive sky]

y'know what i don't get?
why the explosive trap sentry is for the ranger class and the ballista sentry is for melee

[novel belfry]

hilarious

[half imp]

because of DD2

Huntress places explosive traps

And Squire places ballista

[small timber]

forbidden being a multiclass set just straight up have no "reduce summon penalty"

[half imp]

same with OOA armors so

[small timber]

so you have dogshit summon damage and an armor that is just dogshit for rogue because the stealth is pre-HM level

[half imp]

not unique

[half imp]

literally not true

the tornado is so broken

carries the bad stats

I can get my kill time numbers one sec

Daedalus

Forbidden Mage

Forbidden Rogue

it's so broken

[small timber]

that do not excuse the fact that the set bonus is just bugged to work only 1 way and is just shit for a summoner multiclass armor because your summon will just do 1 damage due to defenes and low summon stat on it

[half imp]

ok true it's sucky as multiclass if the summon damage penalty doesn't get reduced

also what do you mean by one way set bonus

[small timber]

how shit will it feel if your weapon do really nothing while entirely rely on the set bonus to deal like most of your damage, imagine if omega blue just have tentacle deals 90% of your damage but the stat itself is like -50% weapon damage

[half imp]

does rogue scale off summon or vice versa

[small timber]

but yeah it is a design flaw, but I did miss the storm being strong though (I just thought the extra maintenance to activate set bonus constantly was not worth it)

[half imp]

bc if summon scaled off rogue that explains a lot

summons when they get rogue stealth damage boost

[small timber]

rogue can scale with summoner damage if it is higher but if rogue damage is higher than summoner damage it dont scale

[half imp]

ok good

[small timber]

tbh I thought that was the main purpose of the armor which is why the max stealth on the armor is so low

[half imp]

maybe

but honestly

[small timber]

and low minion slot to balance it out, but instead storm is doing majority of the work

[half imp]

it doesn't need a buff to the summoner side at all

idk about rogue side

It's nice having an active thing to do with summoner

[small timber]

I just think if they want to do it that way they should at least clarify in the tooltip (currently it looks like it work both ways), but yeah this is just my opinion but I always feel armor set that are overly relying on the set bonus itself to do majority of the work just feels awful

like imagine if spectre mask have less weapon damage but most of your damage comes from the homing projectile spawn on hit

[half imp]

I think it's okay to have a few of them

For variety

[small timber]

the thing is when you have case like this your weapon basically stop mattering

[half imp]

That's why forbidden rogue existing is okay

[half imp]

no, the set bonus isn't that strong

[small timber]

which is what I dont like about it, but yeah I guess a few outlier is fine

[half imp]

weapons definitely matter still

but yeah anything that gives summonner an option to play actively and be rewarded well for it

is amazing

[small timber]

w**ps

[half imp]

why I love explosive trap staff too

whips are uh

things that exist

[small timber]

one day tag damage will work

one day

[half imp]

They're not really that active

mostly good for Kalei crit and flasks

which is a once in a while hit them thing

having a primary damage source being active is so nice

[small timber]

I always thought that whips should have lower tag duration (but the tag do more stuffs) and give some sort of non-offensive buff (like increase armor or something) to basically make it so that you are more on-par with other class in terms of defense if you use (hit) with whips

but yeah it is a completely different idea from what the current execution is
basically instead of hitting once in a while you have to constantly hit to have any sort of benefit and when you stop it immediately fall off
and the armor buff is to compensate for the fact that you are basically forced to play close range with whips

[novel belfry]

i'd wish there were other weapon types than whips that had different ways to buff the summons

if yknow what i mean

[grim tusk]

Lemme guess, scales with stealth?

[glass arch]

allegedly it gets affected by flasks

[half imp]

yes

it gets the stealth damage

And flasks

And probably other rogue effects?

it's the only reason the armor is at all good

[trim oracle]

how do suggestions get posted into voting?

[half imp]

but the tornado is also kind hard to use due to the 1 second time to spawn it in meaning you have to lead it far ahead

[glass arch]

after 24(?) hours and if they dont get hit with an ❗ or 🗜️ react

[trim oracle]

gotcha

[grim tusk]

@trim oracle thats not from us

Go to Jopojelly server

[trim oracle]

calamity has a 3 sec respawn timer feature

[grim tusk]

Oh wait you mean that

[trim oracle]

yeah

[grim tusk]

Yea i thought you meant the timer that shows up when you have boss checklist

[trim oracle]

nahnah

uh i guess i should edit it a tad

[grim tusk]

Nah I just misread it

Sugg seems fine but i dont think this will pass

Players will always pick the easiest config

See: turning lethal lava off (when it existed)

[trim oracle]

hmm

[grim tusk]

Unless you’re the 0.1%

[trim oracle]

any ideas on how to improve it?

the best i could think of was a config feature

[swift wharf]

[trim oracle]

with a simple slider

for respawn time

[grim tusk]

Perhaps a config to disable Calamity’s forced respawn time

So if you disable it you get 10 seconds unless edited with another mod

[trim oracle]

ooh that worksz1

!

uhh

there we go

i think that edit makes more sense

[grim tusk]

👍

[serene tendon]

@trim oracle Why wouldn't you want a 3 second respawn time? 10 seconds (15 in Expert and even more in Mustard for some reason) is horrible. Imagine how much of your life you'd waste waiting 15 seconds between every endgame boss attempt.

[swift wharf]

i would like an acidwood sofa

[lean prairie]

acidwood toilet also doesn't exist

but nobody cares about toilets

also acidwood piano is bugged you cant place items on top of it

[swift wharf]

true suggestion however
formatting

[thin hill]

that is not the proper suggestion format at all

[lean prairie]

is there a format

[thin hill]

yes

[quiet kernel]

Yea

[lean prairie]

is a format necessary for a suggestion as simple as this.

[thin hill]

it's in pins

yes

[hollow shell]

other mods can affect respawn time and it's bad to have no option to disable Calamity's modification of it, in case you'd prefer a different execution

[thin hill]

you need reasoning

[hollow shell]

Yeah cuz we have a bot that processes all suggestions, and it can only do so if it's in the format it's expecting

[thin hill]

for any suggestion

[lean prairie]

alright hold on

ill edit it

[hollow shell]

[lean prairie]

is it better now

yes i added other stuff i hope they fix it

[swift wharf]

You should focus in only one thing

That being the acidwood sofa

the piano bug should go in #1052323733961977947

[lean prairie]

ok ill edit it again

[rotund tree]

piano bug ?

also the lighting of acidwood furniture is already changed for next update

[lean prairie]

you cant place items on top of the acidwood piano

[hollow idol]

Acidwood already has a sofa (bench, which counts as a sofa)

unless all furniture sets that use benches instead of sofas should additionally get more traditional sofas

[rotund tree]

i don't think there's a single calamity piano that lets you place stuff (tried with a candle) on top of it

[swift wharf]

does it work with vanilla

[rotund tree]

the vanilla pianos work

[swift wharf]

o

[rotund tree]

most of them aren't even the same height, so you wouldn't even expect to be able to place stuff on them

the only ones with the same "shape" are acidwood, statigel and plague

[swift wharf]

i see

also only wood, palm wood and mushroom have benches and sofas

the rest of vanilla sets have only sofas

[trim oracle]

playing in multiplayer bosses can be cheesed

for me its mostly a mp fix

either way it would be toggle-able and available if necessary

you can ctrl F respawn times in the server and see more than 1 thread or question about turning it off as well

[grim tusk]

@lean prairie light has been changed already (will be on next patch), rest of the sugg is fine

[swift wharf]

better multiplayer mod....

[trim oracle]

only disables respawns in mp my friend

[novel belfry]

Thank god there's no Acidwood toilet

[undone cedar]

Acidwood toilet would be awesome

[versed cape]

Acidwood shower

[drowsy plank]

woah lets not get too crazy here

[quiet kernel]

Hear me out: acidwood acidwood

[trim oracle]

acidwood squared

[quiet kernel]

What about acidwood cubed

[glass arch]

cube? in MY 2d game??? preposterous

[serene tendon]

It switches to a normal respawn time while a boss is alive

[trim oracle]

to an extent. if i want to extend the respawn duration to beyond or below 30 sec using another mod

i cant

since calamity forces a 30 sec respawn

[serene tendon]

At that point use Better Multiplayer lol

[trim oracle]

Better multiplauer

disables respawns entirely

[serene tendon]

I know

[trim oracle]

not the idea my friend, shorter respawn is unusable as well

along with nycros (to an extent)

[serene tendon]

3 seconds is the sweet spot, you get right back into the action, but respawns aren't so instant they startle you.

[trim oracle]

3 secs for no bosses, 30 sec with bosses

i wish to edit these times for any reason i can't

in this case

to make it 40 sec during bosses

i cant

[serene tendon]

If you're gonna nerf multiplayer (which is a good idea), just go all the way. I'm pretty sure BM even has a config for increased respawn times

[trim oracle]

BM does not sadly

it only disables

[serene tendon]

Huh

Maybe I'm thinking of another mod

[trim oracle]

Nycros goes up to 30 sec

BM disables

[serene tendon]

Just disable

[trim oracle]

Shorter Respawn becomes incompatiable

[serene tendon]

But Cal respawn is already short when no bosses are alive, making SR unnecessary

[trim oracle]

Shorter respawn mod can change boss respawn times hence why i brought it up

make them longer

or shorter

in expert norms etc.

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok. I didn't know that was an option, seeing as I have not used the mod

[trim oracle]

the issue is brought up like every other week in 3 different servers

plus i wanna do mp with friends and not have to disable respawns lol

so i thought itd be nice to make it toggleable

[serene tendon]

My advice for you is to just get Better Multiplayer, even with increased respawn times, being able to respawn in MP at all is just OP

[trim oracle]

disabling isnt the goal for us

making it compatible

[serene tendon]

10 seconds won't make a difference

[trim oracle]

with nycros and other respawn mods

is a bonus

[trim oracle]

i think its a lotta fun

we did it last year before the addition

and had hella fun

on cryogen especially

disabling kinda gets rid of the fun of respawning

imo

[serene tendon]

What exactly is fun about boss fights with respawns? Every boss dies in a couple of attempts, even on higher difficulties, and dying has basically no consequence, as long as your teammates are somewhat competent.

[rich echo]

me when people have different definitions of fun

me and my friend had fun with respawn timers on a boss because when one of us died it meant the other had to try even harder to stay alive

being forced into a certain respawn timer is just kinda stupid lol

[serene tendon]

I was asking, not judging

[rich echo]

even then the question is kinda oddge

[serene tendon]

That's also true with Better Multiplayer, in fact even more so, you just have to also do damage

[rich echo]

no point in adding a hard capped respawn timer

literally just makes it less fun for some ppl lol

[serene tendon]

I guess there wouldn't be any negative impact. Not sure it's worth the effort for the 0.1% that would be using it, but I'm not a dev and don't know how much effort it would be.

[rich echo]

i mean the devs don't necessarily need to make a config to change how long it takes to resapwn, but if other mods are unable to alter the timer because of calamity (as the suggestion claims) then its just kinda dumb

also you don't need to reply to messages right above yours

[trim oracle]

the question is asked in this server along with the tmod server every other week

on how to turn off calamity respawn times

im only thinking of a small toggle

nothing more

[serene tendon]

ok

[half imp]

yes

it's really the single most asked thing I think I see besides when is tmodloader gonna be on 1.4.4

[serene tendon]

So a larger percentage than I thought. Still, with the reactions of the devs regarding configs I think it's unlikely

[half imp]

what reaction regarding configs

[fossil finch]

:nuclearoption:

though here it is valid

the point of the sugg is the config

not "add something and if people dont like my sugg ad a config to toggle it

[drowsy plank]

the hell/craigs rework in the corner

[fossil finch]

i dont think youll be able to use that for wof ill be real

[drowsy plank]

but fr i think something like this already passed, it's just sort of waiting for implementation

[frosty trellis]

(Hell being more open would be really nice though since on repeating pts having to just vein mine ash or double obi instabridges due to the enormous task of it gets really annoying)

[drowsy plank]

i realize but im p sure hell gen rework did pass and it was originally gonna be paired with that

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[drowsy plank]

but who knows now, so no issue in passing it again lol

[swift wharf]

hell arena....

[frosty trellis]

That... Would unironically work really well to just have a pre-built WoF Arena by the hell lab

Or just a giant open space around there

[cobalt pewter]

honestly nah

just adapt remix hell gen to base with cal

that's more than enough space for everyone

[half imp]

just play on drunk seed and use water walking potion fr

[cobalt pewter]

or just play remix

[glacial iris]

what does drunk change again

forgot

[cobalt pewter]

the objectively best seed

drunk swaps hell gen

[half imp]

remix is literally not on this version

[cobalt pewter]

buildings on sides and lava in middle

[half imp]

^

[cobalt pewter]

true

[bright crag]

We do have plans for making a WoF arena in worldgen

[glacial iris]

oh nice

[half imp]

oh my goodness yes

best change ever

[bright crag]

Like the Remix ash forest

[cobalt pewter]

remix is drunk but with an additional ash island in the middle

[half imp]

^

I love drunk worlds I can kill WoF in like

an hour

no need to build an arena + pre skeletron lionfish

[cobalt pewter]

pre skeletron what

[half imp]

lionfish

[cobalt pewter]

lionfish is post skeletron?

and don't you give me the

dungeon bypass

[half imp]

drunk world dungeon bypass

[cobalt pewter]

shut up

ahh

[half imp]

so yeah

[cobalt pewter]

drunk is funny

[half imp]

I play a lot of minimum bosses runs so I play on drunk a lot

[grim tusk]

@hearty yew @hollow shell latest suggestion would fall under large scale right? (The make hell more open one)

[hearty yew]

it being a lot of edited terrain does not guarantee it's a lot of work, it might be quite simple to simply lower the average terrain height of hell's floor

by 10-15 blocks or something

[crude geode]

it's also been passed and approved before

[hollow shell]

Definitely not grand scale within the intention of the Don't

The intention of the Don't is for stuff that like, spans the entire game, and/or affects the identity of a major aspect of Calamity

[grim tusk]

so no ❗

[hollow shell]

I don't think so, no.
Not the best suggestion overall but not in any violation of a Don't

[cobalt pewter]

uhh

how do I say this

[frosty trellis]

(Honestly I absolutely agree with this suggestion)

[cobalt pewter]

crags will never be completely gone unless you're stupid enough to use like

6 of them

but some protection does help

[frosty trellis]

I mean true but like, deleting the houses in them is also annoying
That and just some protection would never hurt yeah

[cobalt pewter]

I mean it's not like there are much of unique loot in there no

it's same old shadow chest content

but again, protection is nice, just like se

[frosty trellis]

Phm philosophers stone says hi

[tardy geyser]

The instabridges being the length of the world is the issue imo

[gray nebula]

how tf are you a newer player and unaware that crags is a thing

but experienced enough to know that fargos has an insta hellbridge n all

[frosty trellis]

It's quite missable if you never explore far out in hell

Tbf

[gray nebula]

well yeah b ut like

idk i feel like ud know its a thing at least

[gray nebula]

also agreed

[frosty trellis]

(Also just given a modlist and such)

(Newer players asking for mods to use, and then see the bridge as an option to make wof arenas)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

the combination of world length and it destroying everything kinda

[whole tundra]

#suggestions-voting message there's other mods for that.

[frosty trellis]

They don't work

[whole tundra]

Nycro's Nohit Efficiency does

[frosty trellis]

Doesn't work with cal from my experience unfortunately

[whole tundra]

Im gonna check once i come home from school

[drowsy plank]

sus sugg

craigs isnt like profaned temple anyway

it's supposed to be destroyable

just like

Don't Hellbridge It

lol

[drowsy plank]

at most maybe add some way to obtain brimstone slag outside of the biome renewably like how living fire blocks drop from demons or in obsidian crates or something

[serene tendon]

Except when it randomly generates low enough that DG attacks the moment that you step behind the walls. Trust me, it's happened lol.

[half imp]

that doesn't happen now

either A) you were on an old version of calamity

or b) another mod, usually Fargos, made it not drunk

DG doesn't spawn for 100 blocks below the "dungeon point", which is where old man and cultist spawn

[serene tendon]

Probably this one lol. Only ever happened in Calamity

[half imp]

yeah

cal broke dungeon guardian for a while

[serene tendon]

@fluid tartan Just don't use Fargos Mutant. Problem solved

[half imp]

if the issue was with world seeds

fargo mutant config needs to have each world seed enabled

[rotund tree]

it happened because calamity adds its own function to spawn DG, which did as soon as you entered the dungeon biome
it just didn't take the drunk seed into account before 2.0.1.002

[half imp]

yeah

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok

[half imp]

iirc i was the one to report the bug unless it was known before my report

it also has a "dungeon guardian has awoken" text

[serene tendon]

Definitely not b), because I have never installed a Fargos mod and never will

[drowsy plank]

fr the sugg almost seems invalid lmao

like it's so dependant on another mod and like, what if you want to hellbridge it. it's actually breakable unlike the thing they're comparing it to. i really think just making slag obtainable outside of crag would be enough

[serene tendon]

I made a sugg about it at one point, but Idk if it was before you made the report

[half imp]

doesn't really matter either way, it got fixed and that's what is important

[serene tendon]

yeah

[serene tendon]

Just make obsidian bricks able to turn into Brimstone Slag and back via shimmer, once 1.4.4 TMod is out

Easy and sensible way to make it renewable

[cobalt pewter]

Uelibloom

copy that and remove the content in brackets on the title

[serene tendon]

thanks

[frail mantle]

i don't think diminishing chlorophyte's uniqueness is the solution to perennial and uelibloom ore being boring

[atomic shell]

you mine perennial and uelibloom like

immediately after they generate

[drowsy plank]

true

[atomic shell]

as opposed to chlorophyte

which is why it has growing mechanics

[serene tendon]

The point is to allow you to farm them

[atomic shell]

you don’t need to farm uelibloom and Ravager drops perennial

[serene tendon]

1: Fair, maybe Uelibloom should generate post-ML and only be minable post-Provi, similarly to Astral Ore.

2: Nobody is going to kill Ravager for perennial

[blazing kettle]

i do...

[drowsy plank]

plenty of people do when all you need it for is life alloy

[half imp]

not to mention, perennial doesn't even appear in anywhere it would make sense to "grow"

[serene tendon]

Ravager is a horrible experience, and I don't mean that because he's difficult, although he is

For context DoG is my favorite modded or vanilla boss ever

[blazing kettle]

ravager? hard?

[versed cape]

ravager is just unusual

you get destroyed by it the first few attempts, sure, but once you understand the boss and the timings, its just a medicore boss (which isnt necessarily good but neither are most bosses in this mod)

[serene tendon]

Yeah, lots of strategy and knowledge involved in hoping the random flesh missiles don't hit you. Totally

[versed cape]

the flesh missiles are quite managable if you know anything about the fight

[half imp]

yeah

they're the only thing that keeps ravager phase 1 from being incessantly cheesed too

and it's still pretty cheesable

[serene tendon]

The fact a flesh golem gets rock pillars is just stupid.

[atomic shell]

ok how would you change it

to make an interesting and non cheesable fight

[serene tendon]

I'll have to think about that for a while

Remove the flame pillars and flesh missile, and making the rock pillars into flesh pillars (so it fits thematically) would be a good start

Making it not a worse golem clone needs to be done, but not sure what I would replace it with just yet

[drowsy plank]

how does changing a sprite improve the fight

furthermore the flame pillars and missles are like the one thing keeping him different from golem lmao

[serene tendon]

Makes it actually believable that a necromantic construction would have access to it. Would greatly reduce the rage caused by dying to them.

[drowsy plank]

???

[atomic shell]

how would it not have

rocks?

[serene tendon]

The rock pillars themselves are a cool concept, I have revised my opinion on those recently and think they have great potential

[atomic shell]

[serene tendon]

How would it? It's an amalgamation of flesh and bones, nothing about it implies it can use geokinesis

[atomic shell]

it’s a huge colossal titan made of flesh

I’m assuming it can knock some rocks around

[tidal plaza]

Anime logic

[serene tendon]

It cannot, however, create rocks

like it does in the fight

[atomic shell]

well he can’t just pull the rocks out of the ground

that wouldn’t work in the actual fight lol

tbh I never saw any problem with him using some rocks

him summoning flesh would be weirder

[tidal plaza]

Also it drops things called geodes, so maybe he does have some sort of stone material to him?

[atomic shell]

yeah exactly

[serene tendon]

Well it seems we have different views on what makes sense.

[drowsy plank]

me when bloodstone doesnt exist

[atomic shell]

it does seem to have some earth connection

[half imp]

yeah it has stone connections

geodes, bloodstone

[atomic shell]

just looking at its sprite too

not all of that is flesh

[half imp]

also like, vesuvius and spikecrag staff

[tidal plaza]

Also you do have to suspend your disbelief somewhat, damaging Calamitas in any form with Brimstone Magics makes zero sense

[serene tendon]

huh, I guess it does have a stone core, after all, the flesh and bones have to be attached to something. Still doesn't explain the creation of rocks.

[tidal plaza]

Also Leviathan has an infinite supply of boulders in it apparently

[serene tendon]

No, because you're damaging her forcefield, not her. Why would she spend mana building up extra brimstone protection, something she'll probably never need

[tidal plaza]

Maybe abominations just have rock pocket dimensions in Calamity

[serene tendon]

That just means Calamity has such issues in other parts of the game as well

[cobalt otter]

Are the future boss relics going to be reverted?

[tidal plaza]

I'm also talking about Calamitas clone, her brothers, and being the Supreme Witch as in, the literal strongest of her class, would have incredibly intimate knowledge of said magic being wielded by some super scrub that stole it

[cobalt otter]

For example DoG’s resprite, the sentinels, ravager, brimstone, polter, and deus all had their resprites cancelled

But their relics are still the same

[tidal plaza]

Generating a barrier that nullified that wouldn't even be a second thought

[serene tendon]

Yeah, being so dominant in her field, why would she expect some random guy to use the magic against her?

[tidal plaza]

Literally trying to kill a campfire with a matchstick

Because she's a supreme witch that could easily stop it?

It's magic, she didn't need to forge it out of specific material

[tidal plaza]

If you're going for the "so cocky she lost" argument then there's no real debate to have lol

[small timber]

bosses are not lore accurate? WOAH what a plot twist

I didnt know that was the case

[serene tendon]

Even supreme witches have some kind of limit to their magical prowess, any mana she doesn't use enhancing her forcefield can be used to make her bullet hells, reanimated brothers, etc stronger

[tidal plaza]

My main point being that some stuff just won't necessarily make sense, so I could imagine Ravager being able to throw a big brick at me somehow

[small timber]

there will not be "reverted" I think, they just straight up creating new ones, because all relics that are created already had the resprite in mind there is no "not resprited version" of relics for the plan to be resprited bosses

or at least that is what I remembered when the same question was asked

[serene tendon]

She does seem to be a little bit at the start, but that isn't why. It just isn't worth the invested mana to protect herself from something that might not even happen

[tidal plaza]

I don't think you know what a magic is

[serene tendon]

I know that in Terraria, magic is done using mana, which is somewhat finite.

[cobalt pewter]

Vesuvius wasn't originally themed to Ravager

since it was Betsy's legendary

but eh, close enough

[tidal plaza]

By that logic she could spam mana potions

[serene tendon]

SCal just has more mana than we can dream of, having dedicated her life to magic

[dense ferry]

You can damage SCal with Brimstone stuff because that would be stupid

You can't make everything 1 to 1 with the lore because it gets boring

[small timber]

but yeah at this point it just turnt into #lore-discussion to be honest

[serene tendon]

She likely does

[dense ferry]

Specially when you literally negate an entire weapon archetype just for the sake of it

[half imp]

ok but they didn't change it when they moved it so

[small timber]

I think it is pretty obvious that there is disconnection between in-game bosses and their lore

[tidal plaza]

Read the whole conversation, it's just me saying being nitpicky over a bosses maybe geomancy is pointless and runs into an infinite amount of issues

[cobalt pewter]

also this has no connections to recent suggs in #suggestions-posting

why the hell did people start talking about rav again

[small timber]

like why does DoG drop an item that summon another NPCs as a mount when under specific buff, what lore reason is behind it

obviously none

[tidal plaza]

Exactly, game logic

[serene tendon]

It went from my sugg about plant ores, to whether Ravager is a worthwhile source of perennial, then to me criticizing ravager (one of the things I said was that rock pillars don't even make sense), to leviathan vomiting an endless amount of meteors, to arguing about why SCal doesn't make her shield immune to brimstone magic

[serene tendon]

That's just Fabsol being weird

It's one of his dedicated items

he can do whatever the heck he wants with it

[small timber]

that applies to every single boss in the game, so it is pretty obvious how pointless it is to compare in-game bosses with their lore and how they should be functioning

tldr #lore-discussion is more appropriate

[serene tendon]

It's not even game logic, because it's not consistent with anything else

[serene tendon]

Perhaps. It's still interesting though.

At the end of the day, Terraria itself is a game about adding whatever random crap the devs want, trying to make sense of it (including through lore, vanilla or modded) is inherently ridiculous. However, often the most ridiculous things in life are the most fun

[tidal plaza]

How does DoG use reddit with no hands

[serene tendon]

Why do you think he does?

[tidal plaza]

His vocabulary

[serene tendon]

That can develop apart from social media

Assuming he has seen reddit, Yharim would have to have shown him it some time in the past

So that they can both crack up about how stupid it is that the first place people go for answers to questions in games is reddit

[tidal plaza]

Yharim destroying your local city because you called him Cringe

[serene tendon]

I didn't say he was. Like many things, reddit can be used for good or bad. It's just that so often it's bad

[tidal plaza]

No I just meant it seems like something he'd do

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok

[tidal plaza]

If they ever get voice acting Yharim should just be voiced by Gianni

I wish I could make that a real suggestion lol

[serene tendon]

Wait, I figured it out! When Draedon made DoG's armor, he implemented a built-in reddit browser that DoG can browse through with his mind! Draedon did this on purpose so DoG would get more self-obsessed, and eventually die from overconfidence, so Yharim would direct his resources to the in-progress Exo Mechs instead!

Anyone who looks at the chat now will be very confused

[tidal plaza]

Incredibly lol. My man was looking at r/boneappletea and he died

[serene tendon]

Isn't that the guy who voice acted Draedon in CD's theme teaser (not the video showcasing the first few seconds of the theme)

[tidal plaza]

Oh shit did he?

[serene tendon]

I think I remember reading that he did in one of the comments for the Boss Rush 3 theme, at the end of which he gave the teaser

[tidal plaza]

He's kinda everywhere so I'm not surprised

[serene tendon]

It's the first I've heard of him

but I don't pay attention to celebrities at all, so that's not too surprising

[tidal plaza]

He's Gabriel in Ultrakill, which is where people usually recognize him from. He's mostly a YT guy, Max0r videos and cameos in indie stuff

[serene tendon]

ok

[swift wharf]

mewk going on a streak with good suggestions

fuck ore slimes

on g

[drowsy plank]

very true

[cobalt pewter]

I don't see value in making those ores just grow randomly

but ore slimes are kinda an issue at least visually

[serene tendon]

What happened to that one Clentaminator astral ore sugg I made a while ago? Did it just not get enough votes?

[cobalt pewter]

I would take zanier approaches to making perennial or uelibloom renewable instead

like maybe instead of being ores Uelibloom can replace rich mahogany in tree sprites and drops when broken down

since I think Uelibloom was supposed to be dead plant fossil or something?

[atomic shell]

oh that would be cool actually

[cobalt pewter]

idk but either way the ore slime approach is bad but making irrelevant ores use Chlorophyte's growth system dumbs down on its uniqueness

as for Perennial

guh, really

they kept saying devplans_2.pdf for Perennial but no one outside of dev really have any idea what's up

so I wouldn't bother

[frail mantle]

there were plans for perennial but afaik they went along with the devs who left

no idea if there are any new ones

[atomic shell]

aw

tbh it would just be cool if they generated in little pockets with living leaves and stuff

make it really look like some plant life is breaking through

[serene tendon]

I really like that actually

[serene tendon]

Oh, so it's no longer protected from removal?

Can we just remove it now?

[half imp]

no

reaver armor my beloved

[atomic shell]

reaver armor 🥱🥱
aureate booster 🤑🤑

[half imp]

ok but hear me out

reaver mobility + aureate booster

[atomic shell]

ok but hear me out most classes have better options already

[half imp]

ok but speed

[atomic shell]

I mean ig go sonic mode if you want

use tracers then

[half imp]

uh

me when post plant

[atomic shell]

just beat yharon

[half imp]

true

[atomic shell]

[serene tendon]

We don't need 3 plant ores anyway. Perennial is boring and unoriginal. Chlorophyte is a better fit for Life Alloys

[half imp]

ok but what happens to the perennial items

[atomic shell]

chlorophyte life alloy would suck

[half imp]

quite a few of them are unique and interesting

[atomic shell]

ig perennial items could be converted to chlorophyte + living shards?

[half imp]

also i'd much rather perrenial in life alloy

[serene tendon]

No? It's so common, way more so than perennial

[tidal plaza]

Maybe nudge them in with chlorophyte somehow since it's a tier that is hardly used anyways

[half imp]

maybe

[serene tendon]

Replace with chlorophyte

The unique ones

kill the boring ones

[half imp]

not many of them are boring

i think perennial could use with a little bit of distinguishing from chlorophyte, make it more clearly about the savage and feral parts of nature

because while the gear kinda gets that across, the bar and ore does not

[serene tendon]

Everglade Spray, Hellkite, Hellion Flower Spear, maybe Bladedge Railbow, Mangrove Chakram

[half imp]

everglade spray is goated

[serene tendon]

It's still boring

It's just Golden Shower 2.0

[half imp]

debuff builds be like

[drowsy plank]

what are you people talking about aureate booster that thing is probably the worst set of wings in the game

i hope they die

[tidal plaza]

Having a direct upgrade to a weapon always felt nice to me, something I know is reliable that I can have again

[half imp]

no

[atomic shell]

vertical speed

[half imp]

aureate booster when they're just fishron wings post-plant (with less flight time)

[drowsy plank]

they dont feel like that lmao

wing stats hurt my head because the ones listed in game and on the wiki and on the vanilla wiki are all different so i can never actually tell what that translates to use

[swift wharf]

wing stats

💥

[half imp]

i just tested them myself

[drowsy plank]

fair enough lol

[half imp]

it's literally just fishron with less flight time at least at base

barring the water physics thing

(and fishron has more accel)

[drowsy plank]

there it is

lmao

[swift wharf]

midrennial ore...

[half imp]

yeah i forgor to write the accel

[drowsy plank]

well that explains why i dont like them at least

[versed cape]

slime god is such a fucking awful boss

[drowsy plank]

they always felt a bit weird, but im surprised to hear how similar the rest of their stats are

[versed cape]

its just hage deaths constantly

[swift wharf]

get in the queue

[drowsy plank]

why are we talking about slime god suddenly

[versed cape]

because I thought this was cmt

oops

[drowsy plank]

amazing

i could probably beat slime god with minmaxed preBoss gear if i really wanted to, man is literally just two king slimes

[half imp]

me when dragoon drizzlefish + hellfire treads

[drowsy plank]

true

it's so funny that dragoon and treads are both preBoss

they dont seem like it but

[half imp]

yea

post-king slime you get slime gun too

[swift wharf]

they aren't technically

[half imp]

make it just that much more crazy

[swift wharf]

because hell is post skeletron in vanilla

by progression rules

[half imp]

idk you don't have to beat a boss

[glass arch]

eh not really

[half imp]

that's like calling jungle post eoc

[glass arch]

at most hell is post eow in vanilla

[half imp]

yea

[drowsy plank]

progression rules aren't real
plus calamity has most hell gear as like pre-Skele/Evils2 which would be post-Evils1 yeah

which is very funny

depending on how much Hellfires get changed by Cal in 1.4.4, you could probably put Hellstone in them to make them a bit less wacky

[half imp]

they're probably fine as is

with 1.4.4 debuff changes

[drowsy plank]

right right

[half imp]

do hope they keep hellfire as lava waders

in cal