suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[swift wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowntoclown-conversation-telepathy-clowns-gif-25167584

[eternal escarp]

(its not post skele in vanilla either)

(im quite sure its post evils there too)

[swift wharf]

deerclops conosseiour has arrived

[eternal escarp]

[swift wharf]

and difficulty wise it's defo not post skeletron

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[swift wharf]

even in infernum (unrelated)

[eternal escarp]

wtf

(but yeah)

[drowsy plank]

clops is fuckin weird where it is rn bc like
it's after QB but before skele but why the fuck would you use deerclops drops over QB drops

[grim tusk]

So boss checklist is wrong too

[eternal escarp]

its more like, same tier as QB

[drowsy plank]

fair but still

why

[small timber]

I think just leave deerclops alone for now

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

deerclops is a crossover boss therefore is absent of balance

[small timber]

It doesnt even have rev ai or stat buff how do you even determine how hard it is supposed to be

[grim tusk]

It does have stat buff

[eternal escarp]

because we already like, talked where it will be placed
in pre skeletron post evils ish

[swift wharf]

master mo

[frail mantle]

give deerclops a clown nose

[eternal escarp]

because thats where it fits

[frail mantle]

that would be pretty funny i think

[frosty trellis]

I mean it's advised on the vanilla wiki to possibly wait until post skele

[eternal escarp]

okay
but vanilla is like

[swift wharf]

yea the drops fit for pre skel

[eternal escarp]

for babies

[swift wharf]

vanilla progression is a fucking

💥

[eternal escarp]

when the spawn requirement is to have 8 defense you are not a post skeletron boss

be real

[small timber]

Sry you mean the generic global buff from rev mode or the boss specific stat buff

[swift wharf]

the thing in vanilla is that

[small timber]

Was referring to boss specific one

[eternal escarp]

also it said pre/post
which in actually just means nothing

[swift wharf]

all bosses are p much the same tier

[eternal escarp]

obviously it will be either before or after skeletron

yeah

prehm atleast

[drowsy plank]

deerclops is now skeletron

they're the same boss

[frosty trellis]

(On the bosses page it's between skele and wof)

[eternal escarp]

i am pretty sure it was said somewhere externally its not a post skele intended boss

wiki is just stupid iirc

[frosty trellis]

Possibly

[swift wharf]

vanilla wiki is dumb yes

[frosty trellis]

Either way

Re-tiering it to post brain/eow I think would be good

[swift wharf]

vanilla changelogs 🤡

[drowsy plank]

vanilla wiki when it thinks yoyos are viable

[swift wharf]

1.4.4 changelog

[frosty trellis]

Since yeah it feels super weird to do evil1 and then go mine some hellstone for five minutes and craft some obsidian and then fight evil2

[drowsy plank]

oh god the vanilla wiki changelogs really do just say "we did things" sometimes

[swift wharf]

IT IS

HELL

[small timber]

The corrct move is obviously to move evil2 to post-evil1 post-deerclops pre-queenbee pre-skeletron

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I agree there

Moving crab pre evil2 would be cool as well to give it a better purpose and to make it's drops more applicable

[drowsy plank]

you see what i mean

it makes sense

[frosty trellis]

Makes a ton of sense

[small timber]

I still think that they should just massively buff all ripper upgrade bosses to the point that they are wya overtier

Tldr "challenge boss" (aureus was basically the case of being way harder than other bosses around the same tier but now it is nerfed so I am unsure how hard it is now; ravager have the most complicated moveset of any post-golem boss; polter is weird in that it is basically a progression boss but it do have stupid amount of defense that is very overstated, dragonfolly is a bit weak)

Even slime god have way overstated amount of hp nowadays

So basically really only crabulon is way too weak even compare to on tier boss

Tldr just buff crabulon massively and dont intentionally put it on a later tier, just make it so it is something the player can try to challenge early on but obviously will be difficult

At least in my opinion
(That and move post-ML adrenaline upgrade from polter to OD)

[drowsy plank]

feels kinda weird tbh
i like the idea of moving them to this tier because it fixed the other problem of the evil bosses feeling same-y as well

i dunno about how the other ripper upgrade bosses are doing atm so maybe that could be true, but im just looking at the smaller picture of preHM progression being jank

but making crab really hard just bc of ripper upgrade kinda feels like malice or daytime eol kind of weird difficulty kind of stuff

if people like it i could easily just see both ideas being implemented lol

[small timber]

I mean is slime god like "really hard"? Not really

What I mean is just it is harder than your average on tier boss and thats it

[drowsy plank]

fair

[small timber]

Even aureus is very meltable if you use postgolem weapon, and aureus being super hard was apparently because of a bug too (that basically cause its idle phase to be nonexistent)

But yeah I dont mind some bosses being intentionally harder than other things on tier to serve as an optional challenge so that there is no need to just shove them into certain fitting progression just because it will be hard otherwise

[sinful violet]

Why balance the bosses around them giving adren/rage buffs

Too many of them also have other content associated with them to do that

Polter has acid rain, aureus unlocks astral drops, etc

Even just ignoring their drop pools

Crab/folly/ravager all have relevant tier filling drop pools

Actually maybe not ravager

[drowsy plank]

im gonna say crab doesn't contribute a ton either, hence my suggestion lol

[small timber]

Which is why I felt that polter dropping adrenaline never make any sense to me other than it is that way since old duke didnt exist, now that old duke exist I think it should just be from old duke instead

[drowsy plank]

like the weapons are good but they aren't really something you go out of your way for and crab is just an out of the way boss

[swift wharf]

i dont think you can even balance bosses around them dropping the upgrades

because bosses arent even tested with rippers

[small timber]

Aureus one is a bit weird since you have so many postPlant upgrade that those unlocked weapon will be just optional sidegrade rather than upgrade so really no solid drops

[sinful violet]

Also how’d that carry over to non rev, unless the bosses get disproportionately buffed in rev only

It’d be strange in normal and expert to have crab and the others buffed beyond where they’re meant to fit now

[small timber]

My logic is bascially that these bosses should be hard not because they have ripper upgrades, but rather that because they are hard it is justifiable to lock something powerful like ripper upgrades behind them

For normal/expert they dont even have rev AI change so just lock the "harder AI/stat buff" itself behind rev so that it is not really a much harder boss if they fight them on normal/expert

[sinful violet]

most of them aren't particularly harder than the other bosses around them in their tier though, crab's definitely pretty easy but so are eoc/brain/eow, etc

[small timber]

Which is exactly why I think they should be harder, currently it is only aureus and ravager (partially slime god, it just have like 2x the hp of wof for some reason) that is the case of that

But yeah it is not gonna happen before year 2050 anyway because it conflict with their progression design so

[sinful violet]

In terms of upgrades to your DPS or survivability either, ripper upgrades also just aren't that impactful

[swift wharf]

rev accessories are stronger than the upgrades lo

but I could see the bosses being harder and more optional

but there are too many of them

[small timber]

Which is related to my 2nd complain of why does adrenaline start at 200% and end at 245% and rage start 9 sec end at 12 but yeah I am just rambling at this point

It is stupid how much 200% adrenaline melts the entirety of preHM

[fossil finch]

remove adren and rage

pure bliss

[errant bobcat]

[fossil finch]

Like you cannot overstate how mechanics like these 2 really just make the whole scenario really weird

[errant bobcat]

Jousting Lance cheese with adrenaline…oh noes

[fossil finch]

you can't blame any weird balancing on them, because they're not used for testing, except some weapons have taken adren in the past for consideration, and then because everyone who plays rev uses them, they're getting higher kill times and technically easier battles, adrenaline is ultra weird because of its skill based nature, that makes some testers really bad at discerning whether or not its broken because they're better than your average player, and rage that's just a passively fills up extra damage bar

it's just a lot of not that significant issues at all that end up piling up and overcomplicating themselves with time as testing gets increasingly complex

[swift wharf]

adrenaline config

[frosty trellis]

Folly with 2 weapons that suck, a ranger accessory that's entire niche is deathmode Yharon and being a requirement for Yharon:

(It has one good weapon drop, Golden Eagle)

[sinful violet]

look im old all i remember is rouge slash or w/e being meta

[frosty trellis]

Rouge Slash is like

Top 5 worst weapons in the mod

It's horredous

It's like, 20-30min provi

[sinful violet]

point stands in that too many of the bosses already have stuff connected to them and it's not worth it at all to tier them around their adren/rage upgrades

[frosty trellis]

(Also I just remembered you don't need folly for Yharon bc draconic swarmers so )

Folly and Crab are basically only useful for their rage/adren upgrades right now

(Well, except for ranger for crab. Fungicide is pog for brain but sucks for eow)

Folly doesn't really have relevant drops or unique unlocks is what I'm saying

And is entirely skippable if it weren't for the rage upgrade

If we are going to compare the relevancy of the rage/adren upgrade bosses outside their upgrades:
Non-relevant:
Crab has fungicide for ranger brain but like, jester arrows + a decent bow and a minishark
Folly has golden eagle but there are just far better options (Clockwork Bow and Celebration Mk.II to give immediate examples) and the accessory isn't super useful dps-wise and has been pretty much relegated to being dragonfire immunity for deathmode Yharon
Relevant:
Slime God unlocks a new set of armor and allows the "Night's Edge" variant weapons for all classes to be crafted and used later on
Aureus has all the astral shit
Ravager has bloodstone and is a farmable source of life alloy's/cores of calamity
Polter has the abyss stuff and acid rain tier 3 as well as being necessary for Auric Tesla

[fossil finch]

i mean crab and folly having no use outside of the ripper upgrade is just calamity mod being calamity mod

what i mean by this is that they should be made useful instead of turning their ripper upgrade into their whole use

[drowsy plank]

Real

[half imp]

True melee wants folly

gilded proboscis was the best true melee weapon I could find for provi by a good margin

[frosty trellis]

Oh right that

[half imp]

if 10% move speed was actually 10% move speed then maybe dynamo stem would be useful

[fervent orbit]

you forgor vesuvius

[drowsy plank]

i think it is very funny that all i was saying was to make the evil tiers less garbage and now we're talking about rippers

lmao

[half imp]

true

crab has it worst of all ripper bosses since there's pretty much zero reason to do it most of the times besides the upgrade

folly at least drops effulgent feathers which is a way better way to get them than draconic swarmers

[fossil finch]

evil tiers less garbage is simple move evil 2

except!

you cannot

because there is nowhere to

i love calamity and its 48 bosses

[drowsy plank]

i mean my sugg makes a pretty decent argument on how you could fix it lmfao

it does require kind of "inventing" a new tier but it was already considered a new tier anyway lmao

[frosty trellis]

So a subclass

[half imp]

yea

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's not going to cut it

[half imp]

very true

[grim tusk]

Why would we even give OD adren upgrade

[swift wharf]

gilded proboscis is not restricted to true melee

what the fuck

it's a really good weapon

you don't have to play true melee only to use it

[grim tusk]

Stem Cells just need more proc rate tbh

Rn they are like RoR2 AtG but rarely ever proc

Rouge Sash needs a glow up

Either rework or at least be made more visually pleasing

Rather than giving 1.2 Terraria vibes

And a huge dmg buff ofc

[swift wharf]

same to all weapons

where are the cool effects...

[grim tusk]

Golden Eagle and Probsics are fine I suppose

One is just gun, other is true melee

[swift wharf]

ihatetruemleeihatetruemleeihatetruemlee

can we just refer to it as a melee weapon 😭

[grim tusk]

And theres Swordslplosion which just needs dmg buff

[swift wharf]

wait does it

it like

shreds cv

[grim tusk]

So does any on tier gun + luminite bullets

[swift wharf]

nerf luminite bullets

[grim tusk]

Swordsplosion could get the Hell’s sun treatment buffed but boss weak as fuck against it gets resist

[swift wharf]

das true

[grim tusk]

Cuz Hell’s sun was garbo on anything not named Providence

[swift wharf]

tenebrous tides resist when

[grim tusk]

Rework*

[swift wharf]

actual rework or rebalance

welp I think it's most likely the latter

[grim tusk]

As of now it currently is stupid due to its speed

Maybe hitting that

[swift wharf]

doesnt it also have infinite pierce

[grim tusk]

But might be overkill

[grim tusk]

[swift wharf]

just remove it lma

(the inf pierce not the weapon)

did it ever get a change after being added

[half imp]

ok but like... for provi it's not great

just due to how she flies

and that's the next major boss

[swift wharf]

how

the boss has a big ass hitbox

it's good for polter too

• life steal

[half imp]

polter yea

but also lol daybreak

[swift wharf]

[half imp]

yea but she flies to the corner of your screen so like, at best 50% of the time you can actually hit her

and also lol elemental shiv or daybreak

[fossil finch]

melee class

[swift wharf]

when she's close

gilded proboscis

when she's far

another weapon

[half imp]

true

it's not not viable it's just

[swift wharf]

when my health is low
gilded proboscis

[half imp]

not notable for normal melee

liar melee

[frosty trellis]

She does not like to stay above you
She strafes side to side faster than you can move so true melee isn't the easiest

[swift wharf]

melee is MELEE

maybe im just too good at using

[half imp]

I'm good at it it's just

[swift wharf]

or maybe some weapons are very good in situations

[frosty trellis]

When my health is low
Vampire Knives bc it doesn't have lifesteal cooldown

[half imp]

not worth it when ele shiv

[frosty trellis]

Yeah Ele Shiv just

[half imp]

or daybreak

[swift wharf]

ele shiv is broken

[frosty trellis]

Melts provi

[swift wharf]

nerf it

lo

[frosty trellis]

Okau

Greatsword of Judgement

[swift wharf]

it's not worth it because some weapon is broken

[frosty trellis]

2:3x

[swift wharf]

[half imp]

bc most other melee are better

[frosty trellis]

There is like

A bunch of better options

Hell star wrath is better

[half imp]

star wrath my beloved

[swift wharf]

then buff it

my point is taht

my original* point is that

it is not restricted to true melee

[half imp]

yea

my point was it's niche for non true melee

[frosty trellis]

Vamp knives is more consistent and generally stronger lifesteal

[swift wharf]

nerf vamp knives......,.,.,,.,

[half imp]

true

[frosty trellis]

And then you don't have to kill folly if you don't want to

[swift wharf]

lma

[half imp]

it doesn't need a buff

swordsplosion does though

[swift wharf]

splosion is even nichier yea

good for cv balls and uhhhhhhhhhh

yea

[drowsy plank]

good weapon yes

[swift wharf]

ok but

mirror blade

https://tenor.com/view/desert-tumble-weed-ghost-town-gif-11132442

[half imp]

mirror blade is insane for dog

although like

terror blade lol

[swift wharf]

does mirror blade effect even work on provi

[half imp]

uh

idk

[swift wharf]

stratus is abyss themed???????

I am pretty sure it's like

star moon theme

d

[oblique geyser]

it has the abyss colors and such

and anyways reaper teeth still makes more sense than Ruinous Souls

[drowsy plank]

mirror blade works on way more than you expect

and it's so easy to abuse with rams it's prolly like top 10 true melee weapons because cal contact damage just be like that sometimes

[atomic shell]

farming for reaper teeth is pain

unless you go on an all out fishing escapade with 50 lures

but that’s also only post old duke

[swift wharf]

mirror blade sweep wtf

my main doubt is provi because she doesn't have contact damage

and idk stratus doesnt really look abyss themed

unlike

stratus is just its own thing

galileo gladius and cresceent moon fires moons

halley's inferno is literally named after the comet

[drowsy plank]

tbf mirror is technically post provi anyway plus yeah no contact, but anything with contact that thing shreads

[swift wharf]

clamor noctus has star projectiles

[swift wharf]

oh thats fair

[swift wharf]

they all inflict nightwither

etc etc

no abyss item does that

[fossil finch]

its literally called statu

[swift wharf]

and the only abyss material it uses

is lumenyl

[fossil finch]

yea

[swift wharf]

and exodium clusters is space themed

[fossil finch]

stretch to call it abyss set

it is not at all

[swift wharf]

^

tldr space gear is not abyss themed

[frosty trellis]

You can pre-charge mirror Blade on DoG's head if you're worried about that

Or anything else with high contact damage

[swift wharf]

i wonder how it behaved with instakill dog

[frosty trellis]

If the head still had a contact damage value it probably still got the 750 extra damage from the head

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

Yeah the cap is 750

(or is it 700? Either way it gets a shit ton of base damage)

[half imp]

It cannot deal more than 750 damage.

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Still, pre-charge it on DoG and get dumb as fuck damage

[blazing kettle]

?????

[swift wharf]

core keepr

[worldly basalt]

stardew valley calamity mod when

i want to marry scal 😍 😍 🤤

[frail mantle]

no

[worldly basalt]

(good)

[stable kiln]

bruh

[fossil finch]

TREUE

move calamity to core keeper immediatly

[south flint]

[drowsy plank]

what does this even mean

[south flint]

they're bad

[drowsy plank]

@vagrant needle the rules are in the pins im begging you to just read them before you break another

#suggestions-posting is not for discussion like how much more obvious do we need to make it

[vagrant needle]

[blazing kettle]

wjat even happened

[drowsy plank]

sugg to make a mod for core keepers for some reason and then they started talking in sugg posting

[blazing kettle]

why make a mod fir a game nobody knows about?

and why specifically have the calamity devs do it?

and the thought about talking in sugg posting gives me a headache

[drowsy plank]

bc terraria cross over

[errant bobcat]

just put that in tmod discord

not in a separate mods discord in a channel for suggestion for that mod

why people no read

[drowsy plank]

they wanted a calamity mod for core keepers

[errant bobcat]

a separate mod...?

[crude geode]

a separate game

[errant bobcat]

or did they want a weapon based on it

ohhhhhhhhhh a mod for that game based on calamity

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[errant bobcat]

then put that in that games discord bruh

or take a course on coding lang game in made in and make it urself

[small timber]

What does "Stratus set" even means

Like, the Stratus block and dye?

[cobalt pewter]

yeah those

and the associated weapons

like uhhhhh

Halley's Inferno

basically the post-polter galaxy themed weapons

[small timber]

Yeah no

The word stratus already probably have no relation to water/abyss whatsoever

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the reasoning is flat out wrong

[crude geode]

it's more space than anything else

[cobalt pewter]

stratus is so far apart from abyss theming wise it's not even funny

@oblique geyser above

[tardy geyser]

Sort of the same colors, but yeah thats it

the weapons names are space themed and they take exodium

[crude geode]

I will say it's kinda. inconsistent with it's materials being kinda all over the place

but yeah space is it's major theme

[oblique geyser]

bruh

[small timber]

The assumption is that "stratus" is abyss theme to begin with which probably is not the case due to what the word stratus means (cloud/spread out) which definitely resembles space/galaxy more, especially when referring to stratus sphere

I can see replacing lumenyl for reaper tooth (though it just makes it more expensive for no reason) but definitely not ruinous soul for reaper tooth

[oblique geyser]

I suggested it because I went on a rant about the crafting materials and then someone said to suggest this

ok I'm just gonna delete

[cobalt pewter]

lo?

[crude geode]

straight up removing lumenyl solves the problem tbfh

[swift wharf]

^

but blue and black....

[cobalt pewter]

the fact that the set doesn't use any stars is confusing

[crude geode]

factual

[drowsy plank]

stardust fragments

if we're being realistic tho you could prolly just replace the lumenyl with galactica singularities

[atomic shell]

tbh stardust fragments would work with theming

[drowsy plank]

@oblique geyser you know you could just suggest to replace the lumenyl with stardust fragments, galactica sigularities, or you know, literally anything space themed lol

[small timber]

Nah their assumption was that stratus was abyss theme to begin with so ruinous soul is non-sensical (probably because of the colour theming of the items); not necessarily to "reinforce galaxy theming"

[frozen hornet]

Putting stardust frags would be redundant since exodium already uses fragments to make

[hollow shell]

(That's just the emergency recipe though. 99% of people will just mine them)

[half imp]

and unless it's been changed, that's being removed next patch according to the recipe doc

(which it really should NOT be in case planetoids can't spawn)

[small timber]

if there is an alternative way to obtain exodium cluster (fishing crate bullshit) then it is justifiable, but as of now yeah if it didnt spawn (which happens very frequently) you are just fucked

[frosty trellis]

If they don't spawn and you have to fish for them then there are doing to be a number of players who can't beat the mod bc they can't find where to fish it up and it's required for the Cosmic Anvil

[hollow shell]

At some point it was in the plans to add an Exodium enemy for space to be a renewable resource, like the ore slimes (except not a slime)
... I think

I don't think it ever actually reached officialization via the Trellos

[small timber]

the tldr is yeah I dont like the recipe being removed, like at all

[small timber]

I will assume the idea will be delayed even more now

[hollow shell]

Another alternative option is adding a troubleshooting/emergency-backup item that lets you spawn the planetoids upon using it. May be unobtainable so only accessible with Cheat Sheet

That way you don't have to make a new world at least

[hollow shell]

(byeah I dunno if it was ever official at all, it might need to be re-proposed from scratch)

(We had space enemy plans but none of them had the purpose of dropping Exodium
... and also they were concepted and sprited by devs who are gone now so they won't be happening anyway . _. )

[small timber]

now they just have to add exodium slime as a temporary measure for soon™️ proper enemy rework for ore drops
just grab ice slime and paint it black and grey

[half imp]

me irl

i just recolored golden slime and called it an auric slime tbh

[small timber]

time to create "better calamity slime mod" where we have copper/tin/iron/lead/silver/tungsten/gold/platinum and cobalt/palladium/orichalchum/mythril/adamantite/titanium, exodium and auric slime

truly inspiring contents
and before I forgot of course cosmilite slime

[half sage]

no luminite slime 0/10

[hollow shell]

Slimes for all boss material drops so you don't have to re-fight them

[half sage]

slimes for every crafting material ever

[small timber]

we need slimes that drop gels so that we dont have to farm slimes for gel
just like have a "gel slime" that drops 500 gels instead of normal amount
and "coin slime" that drop 1 platinum coin each so we dont have to farm money

what if I unironically make a mod that do this and see how many people unironically think it is the best idea ever

[novel belfry]

for some godforsaken reason i kinda actually like the idea of a gel slime

not sure how to go about it but

[half imp]

done

sorta

they're all together in one resource slime but

same thing

drops a gel you can craft into the resources based on conditions like location and bosses dead

[hollow shell]

wew

[small timber]

"universal slime"
description: it just drops everything

[drowsy plank]

did you know KS doesnt actually drop gel from his treasure bag in vanilla

funniest shit ive ever seen

well no

his minions do though

if you were to max out the entity limit and kill him you wouldnt get any gel

[half imp]

wow

[serene tendon]

Ore slimes are the worst thing Calamity has ever done

[swift wharf]

raiden and armstrong handshake scene

[bright crag]

No Demonite/Crimtane Slime?

🙄

[blazing kettle]

no auric slime?

[drowsy plank]

more like auric die

[fervent orbit]

do you guys like the mandatory dye plants needed for hp upgrades?
just curious

[swift wharf]

You're gonna find one by the time you craft one so I think they're fine

[crude geode]

I love hating new players

[drowsy plank]

i remember there were mumblings of giving the cal HP upgrades new methods of obtaining but i cant remember if they were just pre-22 devs plans or if there are still ideas there

if there is someone who knows id make a suggestion if there are no plans anymore

[crude geode]

Dye plants being in hp upgrades is kinda. weird and doesn’t really add a whole lot (besides forcing players who don’t know about it to go scouring their world)

[drowsy plank]

monoliths are weird atm
im p sure calval used to have one but tmod broke it

[steady cloud]

Oh fr?

[hollow idol]

monoliths…

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/458432092301295618/1025079981212192868/unknown.png ** **

[steady cloud]

Should I remove it I had no clue lol

[hollow idol]

na its a valid sugg

[steady cloud]

Ok cool

[hollow shell]

good image

[crude geode]

Very good image

[worldly basalt]

gel slime 🤯

[drowsy plank]

we already made that joke

[worldly basalt]

i cant read sorry

[sullen swan]

rock slime

[swift wharf]

me when

when thank you painting

[glass arch]

yeah lmao

literally just the thank you painting

[swift wharf]

also the mod isnt even finished how do you add credits

[tame mountain]

you could put them behind SCal and if a new final boss gets added you just move the credits

[swift wharf]

but scal is not the final boss

[errant bobcat]

Or behind aew

[swift wharf]

currently

aew isn't a boss

it would work better for boss rush

[errant bobcat]

Ye behind boss rush would be better ye

[tame mountain]

It's the end of the current lore journey

[tame mountain]

I've always seen the boss rush as something optional

[swift wharf]

the thing is

exo mechs is the same tier for scal

[crude geode]

Yep

[swift wharf]

putting it after boss rush would also let me avoid it

[tame mountain]

then let the credits play when both are beaten

[swift wharf]

because I'm sorry but I fucking hate terraria credits

Actually does anyone even like it

[crude geode]

I barely even hear opinions on it

[swift wharf]

I love having to wait for the silly journey end music

[crude geode]

or even the acknowledgment that it exists

[swift wharf]

or just place the credits in the menu

[crude geode]

Byeah thank you painting exists

[swift wharf]

^

[crude geode]

that works fine

[tame mountain]

rejoin

[swift wharf]

no

actually exo mechs makes more sense to scal

than scal*

because boss rush progression

[tame mountain]

that's true, but I can't see the names of the cal devs there, or anywhere in-game

[swift wharf]

you can

what

[crude geode]

Have you not read the tooltip

[swift wharf]

this is when cursed says cal player moment

[crude geode]

Truly

[tame mountain]

no, I am actually do not read the descriptions of pictures because every time I have done it there were just "funny" comments

[swift wharf]

skill issue

[crude geode]

As far as I know tooltips of paintings tend to be. important

Even in vanilla it’s pretty much development/testing staff for the most part

[blazing kettle]

what would even be in the calamity credits? the vanilla one shows all the npc's in the future having their good ending after you have defeated moon lord

[drowsy plank]

scal being depressed still bc even with yharim dead she's still an orphan

and a war criminal

[blazing kettle]

she goes back to her gremlin cave where she used to live in

[atomic shell]

the credits would actually just show draedon hitting that griddy

[swift wharf]

the image of draedon hitting the griddy has now plagued my mind

[grim tusk]

same

Im unsure of the sugg’s validity

[crude geode]

Isn’t the reasoning extremely lackluster

and subjective

[sullen swan]

that painting is a 1% drop from bosses

sure there’s a lot

but it’s entirely possible to have that painting just not drop

[frosty trellis]

(I have never had the painting drop in all of my time playing cal)

[crude geode]

@ YuH when the fuck was the 'Thank You' painting added

[drowsy plank]

last update wasnt it

[frosty trellis]

It's shocking bc I've fought Yharon like, 500-600 times at this point as well
You would think based on that statistic alone it would've dropped at some point

[crude geode]

actually yes

I'm just lazy

[grave zinc]

@rain jewel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make celestial sigil usable without needing to kill Golem]

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@rapid pivot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Heart of the Elements and its Components]

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[swift wharf]

please die

(the suggestion

[hollow shell]

m

[cobalt pewter]

m

1.4.4 when loadouts

[sullen swan]

boss rush music box recipes should be changed
they still use the old recipes

[rotund tree]

boss rush music box recipes ??

[swift wharf]

[stable kiln]

i dont get the spelunking accessory thing either, its not like reaching max mining speed is hard right now. and omnisciense potion is well, pretty much that

[cobalt pewter]

it's the classic

[stable kiln]

i'd buy it

[versed cape]

live sharzz reactio n

[drowsy plank]

i made a suggestion about it previously and it was just about opportunity cost in early hardmode

but with loadouts and everything else that has changed since then im really not sure it's nearly as necessary as it seemed back then

plus vanilla has one already so like...

[drowsy plank]

it would be nice to be able to benefit from mining armor in hardmode without exploding if you get touched by a wraith or something tho

[novel belfry]

i feel like the only reason why this statement isn't pinned is because the statement could come across as... unprofessional, I suppose?

[hollow shell]

the OG

[half imp]

I just got it today lol

[hollow shell]

Would be a bit late to pin it now, almost the two year anniversary of it being posted

[half imp]

never too late

[drowsy plank]

it would be very funny

[inner anvil]

What the fuck, 2 years?

It feels like it was posted 2 months ago.

[drowsy plank]

it really does

[serene tendon]

People who play with "QoL" mods be like:

[bright crag]

I do like the idea of an ultimate mining accessory, but considering how OP mining speed is rn that's a questionable addition

I personally think we should just review and rework some mining gear, then make said accessory

[swift wharf]

you could just add a strong mining accessory later in the line

because you don't need speed

[blazing kettle]

why is mining speed so powerful?

[swift wharf]

maybe something that does smth special for mining and that is useful lateron

and ultimate accessories are kinda

cringe

Maybe an item that protects you while mining

instead of stacking all accessories for 200% mining sped and omniscience

I will excuse the ultimate angler poopshitter accessory because fishing fucking sucks

[glass arch]

doesnt vanilla already have an ultimate mining accessory

[crude geode]

not really?

like hand of creation but that kinda. barely counts.

[swift wharf]

oh shit

well vanilla already adds one soooo

[novel belfry]

holy smokes, i didn't even know this was coming https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Hand_Of_Creation

it doesn't have toolbox and tool belt as its materials tho, so a (Elemental?) Hand of Creation could exist if the devs are willing to add something

[swift wharf]

why

[drowsy plank]

what

[bright crag]

Because, if I understood correctly
It reduces the time it takes for you to mine
So in practicality, a 45% buff is actually more than double that value

Not to mention that, currently, there are many different items buffing mining speed

If you stack them, you'll get insanely fast - and you shouldn't

[crude geode]

mining pot + cake is so free and it gives you enough mining speed for like. most things

[dense locust]

why shouldn't you? whats so "broken" about mining quickly

[fossil finch]

its not even been 30 messages and we already have to use this again

[dense locust]

counterpoint: holding controll left click as I fall and watching the blocks go poof is peak gameplay

[fossil finch]

well you already do that

it just takes some time to get there

in all sense

[swift wharf]

L + ultimate accesory + comparing mining to fishing + rover quote + already added by vanilla + <><><><><>

[fossil finch]

GOD

that last one is the most obscure

[swift wharf]

• coming from israel + nuclear option

[crude geode]

I love when like. 2/3rds of the world is completely invalidated in terms of exploration

[swift wharf]

shrimply just make mining more interesting

(instead of adding the acc)

[worldly basalt]

add silver fish from mine craf, very good idea probably

[swift wharf]

add drg

[blazing kettle]

isnt there a cap on how fast you can go?

[crude geode]

yes but also that cap is kinda. meaningnless

cuz you outspeed your fall speed

[worldly basalt]

just fall faster then smh my head

[bright crag]

You mine hilariously quickly, up to the point that you fall slower than you mine (iirc)
That's bad, because it makes mining a trivial activity

[worldly basalt]

it's already pretty trivial by late hardmode tbh

[crude geode]

in vanilla or modded

[worldly basalt]

mostly in modded because it's easier to get longer lasting food buffs, but as long as you have food and slice of cake in vanilla too

[crude geode]

indeed

[bright crag]

Doesn't mean it needs to be even more :p
Mining is an important part of the Terraria experience, trivializing it just removes the depth of that activity

[bright crag]

^

[royal tapir]

At this point can we pin that message in this channel

[bright crag]

Yeah

[cobalt pewter]

laoo

[royal tapir]

Zamnit

[nimble magnet]

I saw the latest suggestion vote about dev credits and im wondering if its possible to create animations like the credit roll after killing Moon lord?

Slap some cool animation after killing scal for the first time or something

[swift wharf]

That is the goal of the suggestion iirc

[small timber]

@winter anchor first part (jungle temple entrace) can be valid but second part is too specific and do not really make sense

[frosty trellis]

Astral Arcanum is not only an accessory, but the teleport isn't even it's main use

[small timber]

either way you need to follow suggestion format so that the bot can actually process the suggestion:

[Suggestion Title]
(Space+Enter)
Body/Reason/Explanation of the suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Astral Arcanum is to help with debuffs and it does that job better than any other accessory from a pure defensive standpoint

(Can cancel the debuff from vuln hex even)

(Well, the DoT, byeah)

[small timber]

and combining with shellphone (1.4.4 even so future content), normality relocator and pylon just do not make any sense, it is literally an equipable accessory

[frosty trellis]

Ye

An accessory
That's teleport

Isn't even the primary functionality

I don't get the point of this

[serene tendon]

Is it really future content if the update in which the sugg would be implemented will be the 1.4.4 port?

[frosty trellis]

Yes

Bc

That's

in

The future

[small timber]

you still cannot refer to future content yes

which is why any suggestion relating to shimmer is still shot down

[frosty trellis]

Can't refer to anything in the changelogs despite it being in the next update

So yeah

[small timber]

you cannot suggest for something you havent experience in game yet, in this case you havent play calamity with 1.4.4 content
tldr is that

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[serene tendon]

It won't be future in the next update, which is when the sugg will be added. Seems to me like a different beast compared to, say, a sugg about how Yharim will be confronted

[small timber]

it is the next update, next update havent happen right now which makes it the future

[serene tendon]

I know, I'm talking about the spirit of the rule, not the technicality

[rich echo]

nah but like i think the wording is p clear

any future or upcoming content

[frail mantle]

it's an update releasing in the future

hence it's a future update

[rich echo]

shellfish phone whatever is future/upcoming content

[frail mantle]

[small timber]

just write the suggestion you wanted to make down or something and then just suggest it when the next update goes live

tldr is that

[serene tendon]

I always thought the reasoning for it was that the thing can't be added in the next update, and there's no context for the content surrounding it. In this case neither is true

[rich echo]

[swift wharf]

based mewk suggestion

[small timber]

iirc part of the reason is that if you suggest for something that you havent experience chances are your suggestion will be inaccurate and have a weak basis

otherwise it will just become an idea dump that the developers may or may not already plan to implement which makes it useless, with things like "oh this calamity item should have special shimmer effect and turn it into this"

[serene tendon]

Perhaps

I could easily be wrong

[rich echo]

i think its also just more efficient to suggest things that can be coded within a certain patch

[serene tendon]

This can be though

[rich echo]

like yeah it's guaranteed to come in a future patch but until then its just sitting there rotting

[small timber]

an example is like "Buff Damage Over Time of All Debuff" with reason like 'because calamity nerfed debuff vulnerability from 10x to 4x max all debuffs are useless now, they should be buffed' but since I havent play the game with the nerfed debuff system how can I be so sure that DOT are weak

but yeah something like that

[serene tendon]

Did you see the "getfixedboi" changes in the changelog?

The devs have access to TMod 1.4.4

[inner anvil]

No we don't.

[rich echo]

lol

[inner anvil]

We don't have access to something that hasn't been made.

[frail mantle]

yea they're just preparing things in advance

[serene tendon]

How are you all making changes based on 1.4.4 stuff then?

[distant gyro]

getfixedboi in its current state is Master FTW

it'll be getfixedboi when it's available

[inner anvil]

Altix.

[golden tulip]

ok but dont act like "it isnt made". theres already mods on 1.4.4 even if just for testing, it is already made

[serene tendon]

No, it's the zenith seed. That's Legendary mode you're thinking of, I think

[inner anvil]

Alright, let's be more specific for your standards then.

It isn't finished.

[distant gyro]

and any 1.4.4 items mentioned are commented out

that's how 1.4.4 changes are being made

there is no zenith seed in 1.4.3

[serene tendon]

I know, therefore there is no getfixedboi in 1.4.3

[rich echo]

yeah thats

[rich echo]

what this message means

[distant gyro]

yes

[inner anvil]

[rich echo]

the changes apply to master FTW

[distant gyro]

hence, there is no tMod 1.4.4 involved

[rich echo]

and they'll be changed to getfixedboi later

[inner anvil]

5head.

[rich echo]

they're treating master ftw as getfixedboi

[distant gyro]

you found that out yourself with that statement

[serene tendon]

ooooooooooooh I get it

[distant gyro]

[rich echo]

[inner anvil]

This is a certified hood classic.

[small timber]

as long as my pt dont randomly turn into facing exomechdusa because 1.4.4 comes out I am fine

[inner anvil]

It would be funny.

[distant gyro]

ok but what if

hypothetically speaking

[inner anvil]

Allegedly.

[serene tendon]

lol

Are either of you devs able to show a screenshot of Exomechdusa, or is that confidential?

[inner anvil]

It's up to the dev that made it, and I believe he wants to keep it secret until it comes out.

Respectable decision.

[serene tendon]

ah, ok

A shame

but I understand

I can only hope it looks more cursed than regular Mechdusa

[distant gyro]

YuH has shown an image of emd before

[inner anvil]

Did he? Lol. Lmao.

[distant gyro]

non-final version

you can dig it though, go find it yourself

[inner anvil]

So true.

[distant gyro]

[golden tulip]

this it

[frosty trellis]

ExomechAureus

[golden tulip]

how is this a mix of the 4 exo mechs

this is just ares but with a torch head

[versed cape]

yeah

[crude geode]

how is it ares if he doesn't have 4 separate unique arms

checkmate liberal

[glass arch]

its fucking exo aureus

[serene tendon]

How is this a mix of the 3?

[inner anvil]

Lmao that's not it.

[crude geode]

I can't believe that yall are posting exo aureus instead of the actual exomechdusa

smh my head

[serene tendon]

we fell for that hook, line and sinker

lol

[inner anvil]

Me when I spread misinformation in the Internet.

[crude geode]

[golden tulip]

there was literally no way to tell that was a joke dont blame me

[crude geode]

?????

[golden tulip]

oh my god i somehow thought that said mechdusa

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[crude geode]

[rotund tree]

[crude geode]

mfw even the people making fun of those that lack reading comprehension can't read

[lethal escarp]

[fossil finch]

Fun fact that image was made to showcase arm design withouy showcasing Ares himself iirc

[grim tusk]

@serene tendon how about just changing the recipe for them?

[serene tendon]

They're pointless. Just make the stuff craftable with Meld Blobs

[fervent orbit]

wheres solar constructs?

[grim tusk]

Honestly I could see meld constructs being placeable

Like solar bricks

[fervent orbit]

its literally a pyramid

ur gonna be building with a pyramid

[half imp]

About the astral arcanum thing, that sounds like a ton of bloat on one item to be an entire shell phone, NR, and pylon in one

pylon also doesn't make much sense at all to include

[grim tusk]

And its barely useful due to pylons

[half imp]

so true

astral arcanum doesn't need an upgrade tbh

it does its job very well

very strong anti-debuff option

and the teleport is nice ig

[drowsy plank]

constructs being turned into bricks really would be the best option

and also change the recipe

[frail mantle]

i think(?) meld constructs becoming the meld block and meld blobs being the actual material has been suggested before

[drowsy plank]

it has

i dont remember if it passed

it should if it hasnt

[fervent orbit]

probably not

didnt pass

[frail mantle]

if it has passed and been accepted it might've been put on the backburner because

[drowsy plank]

L

[frail mantle]

tile sprites

[fervent orbit]

couldnt get enough votes

[frail mantle]

[half imp]

just bc it didn't pass doesn't mean it's not possible tbf

just less likely

[swift wharf]

i mean if someone sprites it then it's pretty much guaranteed

[grave zinc]

@dreamy burrow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Elemental Summon Accessories should be visible in Vanity Slot]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

meld is

a bizarre entity

they're somehow still teetering on it being either an all class thing or a rogue thing

[dreamy burrow]

ayo forgot this server existed for a while, but good to know my suggestion made it in :D

[modern ruin]

new whip?

[blazing kettle]

?

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about

[glass arch]

no

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

...

no.

[glass arch]

@fast current no

thats just reference for the sake of reference

and would be very op iirc

[fossil finch]

Never interacting

[hybrid steeple]

calamity discord users walking into #suggestions-posting with their awesome original idea for a reference to railcoining

https://tenor.com/view/sully-walk-monsters-inc-gif-16339267

[gray nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/615658112828964911/1057052117170405446/2.gif

[cobalt pewter]

scrumptious

[blazing kettle]

wasnt this suggested specifically 4 other times before?

[crude geode]

specifically 4? no fucking clue

a couple times before? absolutely

[frozen hornet]

the 4 in that message means for not four

[fossil finch]

This will be needed

[gray nebula]

4 seems about right, if not a bit low

[half imp]

so true

[subtle marsh]

feel like it’s bad design regardless to make weapons play with each other’s unique mechanics?

[swift wharf]

me when the suggestion rules

[subtle marsh]

if the structure exists already (debuff vulnerabilities eg) then yeah sure
but going out of your way to do that? ehh

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[swift wharf]

refer to the image above

it's a silly reference it doesn't need to have the entire media its referencing added to it

[grim tusk]

One of the easiest ❗ I’ve seen

[drowsy plank]

can we get this added explicitly to the dont doc if it isnt already there

[crude geode]

don't think it is

[drowsy plank]

god it really should be

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Heart of the Elements and its Components]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@rapid pivot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a 'Spelunking Mega-Accessory', in the same sense that the Supreme Bait Tackle Box Fishing Station is a 'Fishing Mega-Accessory'.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@rain jewel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make celestial sigil usable without needing to kill Golem]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[cobalt pewter]

the world crisis has been averted

[distant gyro]

[stable kiln]

I would have been floored if it passed tbh

[small timber]

I mean the suggestion is like, reasonable depend on how it is executed (not that I would vote for it)

if it is a late hardmode accessory then what is the difference between having 1 accessory that just give you the mining speed and having to equip full set for it especially that loadout exist

all it does is just make it more annoying to mine since you are equipping an armor with no defense so every enemy just bulldoze your hp bar

[cobalt pewter]

I remembered seeing a suggestion on r/Terraria sugg to "favorite" equipment (armor and accs) to be used across all loadouts

which is frankly would be an interesting mod at least

[swift wharf]

veinminer

[small timber]

@naive sky they are (probably) not doing that mainly because it is a vanilla set

[naive sky]

they did it with the gladiator set!

[swift wharf]

was gonna say that

[small timber]

gladiator set at the sametime just have no stats

so anything is an improvement rather than a change

[swift wharf]

doesn't the set have kb resistance

[small timber]

just look at obsidian armor, it used to be a rogue armor but as soon as vanilla changed it to summoner they just follow

[small timber]

yes, but the whole stat is defense + kb immune

the armor have no offensive stat therefore is class neutral

so they either make it like ore armor (all class) or make it specific class (eg: rogue), either way it is always an improvement

[swift wharf]

that's because vanilla changed it

[small timber]

rather than monk/shinobi infiltrator which are melee to begin with, because people will complain about it, like "why is muh perfectly fine OOA melee armor my go to armor everytime I reach mech bosses changed to a class I dont play ohmegud calamity with their shit changes"

[swift wharf]

vanilla is not gonna change Shinobi armor

[small timber]

the tldr is calamity is following vanilla changes/vanilla version if it exist

but yeah, the suggestion do make sense, but it is their policy so

[swift wharf]

is it a don't i'm not so sure

[small timber]

because currently OOA armors are 2 melee, 1 ranger, 1 magic, and obviously the extra melee one (was) themed for thrower
just the suggestion rule is against it so (probably) still cant suggest it

[swift wharf]

damn rip

[cobalt pewter]

just make a whole new sentry and armor sets for summon / rogue

and delete Tavernkeep while you're at it

[swift wharf]

you could

but where the fuck are you gonna put it in the shop

[small timber]

all of the OOA armors are basically summon armor anyway

they have stat equivalent to summon armor on tier just for sentry

[cobalt pewter]

that what I meant by deleting Tavernkeep

[naive sky]

that'll make the community go fucking wild

[swift wharf]

they could repurpose the entire lightning aura to be rogue

lightning aura line*

but too much effort for an event 3 ppl play

[small timber]

or just add rogue sentry armor and avoid all the vanilla altering hassle

and it is definitely gonna happen soon™️ before year 2050

[swift wharf]

me when the mod supposed to change the base game changes the base game

[cobalt pewter]

and maybe rework Tavernkeep to only sell ooa sentries all the time and armors based on ooa sentries you have while held / in inventory

[small timber]

why does that need to happen again?

that just mean you get shoehorned into a specific class because sentry choices are classless (other than summoner)

[swift wharf]

make them not classless...

[cobalt pewter]

no I'm saying if you're trying to add another rogue stuff

or just make them drop from enemies because clearly meld stuff works that way

[swift wharf]

true...

[cobalt pewter]

each set in t2 and t3 directly affects a certain type of sentry (idr if t2 does, but def t3)

and each set in t2 and t3 is summon + a single class

so by that logic each sentry is indirectly related to a class

[small timber]

but why does the sentry itself have to restrict you to specifically that class?

[cobalt pewter]

I'm only specifically talking about Tavernkeep's shop

[swift wharf]

is it really a restriction

it's not nerfing other sentries

[small timber]

I like my ballista rod when fighting OOA then suddenly I am locked into valhalla armor?

[cobalt pewter]

fuckin

read again

the context was Tavernkeep

you know how by T3 there ain't like

[small timber]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

anymore space for adding stuff

[small timber]

but how intuitive do you think that would be

[cobalt pewter]

in the shop

[small timber]

or just add a 2nd page

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[half imp]

a second page would be easy

and probably best because then people can see what they'd be getting before they buy the sentry

I don't think Shinobi Infiltrator should change to rogue, though

a seperate rogue set makes more sense but honestly? It'll probably not be associated with OOA

considering they didn't give Betsy a rogue drop or even Rev AI

[drowsy plank]

squire is true melee and shinobi is normal melee

also like
does thorium add ooa sets for its classes? like i think there's a point of whether or not it's even worth bothering considering how hard ignored OOA is

someone just needs to make a calamity OOA overhaul mod

[sullen swan]

make your idea on the fandom wiki and tag it as community remix

[drowsy plank]

im banned from fandom lol

[hollow shell]

No, but it does add weapon drops to the OOA bosses which extend into their classes
Thorium does not add any Tavernkeep wares, presumably because he's completely full

[drowsy plank]

i see... it's more than cal does i spose

[drowsy plank]

anyway
hell yeah
now lets hope it doesnt die in implementation hell

[inner anvil]

We'll do it eventually.

[frail mantle]

I hope the elementals die

[small timber]

imagine having 5 screen clutters on your screen to deal mediocre damage and still immediately get outclassed 1 boss later

must be heart of the elements
at this point heart of the elements is just a glorified rare elemental in a bottle upgrade because that healing is actually pretty strong (when it hit)

[drowsy plank]

i still like them, like really all they need are some buffs cause their components are not good too

kill heart would be really sad anyway like the elementals are a major part of the mod at this point

[cobalt pewter]

doesn't the healing orb home in with heartreach effect?

then it'll hit often, with just the cost of 1/22 (1/44 by 1.4.4) of buff slots

[swift wharf]

it doesn't havw the effect anymoee

[hollow shell]

One of the suggestions of all time

[grim tusk]

@naive sky read suggestions donts

[hollow shell]

m, that is indeed in the Don'ts, isn't it

I actually agreed with the suggestion funnily enough

Why does melee just get two armor sets from Tavernkeep on both tiers

while magic and ranged get one

and rogue none of course

I am frankly tempted to remove that Don't or add caveats to it

Because the core reasoning of the Don't is that it edits vanilla too much and harms mod compatibility
Yet, since the Don't's creation, we've made really major armor set bonus reworks

All the PreHM ore armors, all the Hardmode ore armors, Chlorophyte armor
Eskimo, Mining, Molten
We made Gladiator into a rogue armor

We completely rework some vanilla weps like the Hardmode ore weps
Pearlwood Bow, Magic Missile, Amber Staff, Falcon Blade, Beam Sword

So, it doesn't feel fair to say that we'd never do it out of concern for editing too much or for mod compatibility

Granted, we've still never changed the damage class of anything from vanilla
Closest we get is Gladiator which was classless before, so an option wasn't "lost" from any other classes by adding class-specific bonuses to it

So
we could add rogue damage to Monk and Shinobi, have them be triple class armor sets
That way, no options lost

Or it could be a config (dreaded)

Or we could add copies of those armor sets which are rogue instead of melee, swap with a crafting recipe (which would be wack especially after we removed the melee/rogue variant boomerangs from the mod not long ago)

I say "we" out of habit

Yeah fuck it I'm editing the Don't

Alright there we go

@naive sky You can adjust/clarify your suggestion accordingly

[grim tusk]

You are not a dev anymore

But the idea sounds nice

I’d rather add a similar item rather than a copy of a vanilla one

[hollow shell]

I am indeed in an awkward spot still being the lead suggperson but having no dev authority anymore

Some dev will have to replace me at some point
(which was already gonna happen cuz I ain't gonna be doing this when I'm like, 30)
but now even more so

[grim tusk]

Yea I suppose. Question is who takes your place

[hollow shell]

byeah, nobody immediately comes to mind as being Basically Me except still a dev

Pixl took some of the responsibility at some point and has pins here
but, oops! She left dev even before I did

[grim tusk]

Similar to how Vampiric Talisman turns any weapon into Vampire Knives for Rogue

[hollow shell]

Not a connection I would have made

I guess they are almost the same tier

[half imp]

melee does have two OOA armor sets although they have different purposes

the reason behind that is based on the four base characters from dungeon defenders 2- the others fit one class exactly, but monk is a mix of melee and magic- just like Sky Dragon's Fury , except SDF only does melee

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren
1- why?
2- having it be a sword wouldnt fit

[half imp]

so they just made squire tank/melee dmg while monk is melee damage and speed

[ashen warren]

Why not?

Also sword

[half imp]

gonna need a better reason than why not

[grim tusk]

[facepalm]

[half imp]

It would be cool to have catastrophe's sword though I honestly wouldn't wanna replace Violence for it

violence is a unique melee weapon while change it would just be another sword

[ashen warren]

That or have weapons based on the brothers. Death mode drops maybe. cataclysm is hard to think of, but a sword or summon weapon that uses said sword could work for catastrophe

[blazing kettle]

just make catasrophy gaels greatsword

problem fixed

[grim tusk]

❗

[drowsy plank]

we could just have them drop directly from the brothers like how they do in the calclone fight

[ashen warren]

Yes.

[rich echo]

also replacing the weapon on the sprite would be a shitton of work for a questionable result

[grim tusk]

No mode exclusive drops (other than relics)

[ashen warren]

Makes sense

[half imp]

ok actually Gael Greatsword being catastrophe's sword would be awesome but isn't that a dedicated item

[grim tusk]

Yes

[grim tusk]

How about just ashes of Calamity crafts?

[ashen warren]

Catastrophe’s sword could be a post scal crated weapon using ashes of scal shit

Can’t figure out the name lol

[grim tusk]

(Literally I just said the name)

[ashen warren]

The upgraded ver.

not the cal clone ver

[grim tusk]

Ofc

[half imp]

ashes of annihilation iirc

would love brothers themed weapons

[ashen warren]

Thinking broken hero sword + devils devastation + ashes + core of chaos + souls

[half imp]

we got cinders of lament ofc

[ashen warren]

That’s just “bros kick everyone’s ass” stick

Still

It would be cool

cinders of lament is enough imo

no need for more content bloat

True

[frosty trellis]

(No we need ashes of annihilation crafts bc they are mostly decorative outside of shadowspec bars rn)

[drowsy plank]

huh

[quiet kernel]

Isnt demonshade rework (if its still happening) gonna make demonshade post scal armor

[drowsy plank]

i think i could prolly type something up for this

[quiet kernel]

That uses ashes of annihilation

[drowsy plank]

yes but that still isn't much crafting content for post scal

[glass arch]

i dont think so

[drowsy plank]

considering literally every other tier has armor + weapon + tool + random other obscure thing

nah im p sure demonshade is moving it to post SCal just like how exos is gonna get their own armor, and then gem tech just. Exists. and shadowspec would be moved further ahead again lol

[half imp]

yep

That's what I was told

[crude geode]

Has someone posted the quote in response to this suggestion

Rover’s one

[drowsy plank]

not yet

definitely fits tho lmfao

[grim tusk]

[drowsy plank]

i did it guys i saved the suggestion

[crude geode]

cognitiveAfflatus is credit to team

[hollow shell]

"Yes, they are currently used for Shadowspec bars, but when later bosses will be added Shadowspec will be moved because it is a developer tier item."

sus

[drowsy plank]

i realize it's kind of "future content" kind of thing but i know someone is gonna bring it up

[worldly basalt]

shadowspec aren't even a scal thing they're a "congrats on beating all endgame bosses" thing

[drowsy plank]

plus i think the whole miracle matter being a ravager drop comparison kind of explains what i mean

yeah

[hollow shell]

Also the intended dichotomy is that Exo Mechs grant the Exo Weapons while SCal grants access to Enchantments, not just Exhumed weapons although those are included
And enchantments apply to all classes

[drowsy plank]

fair

[worldly basalt]

the exo weapons are a lot more impactful than the enchantments imo

[drowsy plank]

i would say the other way around, but either way i dont really think they're comparable, and if you dont have a good weapon for that tier the enchantments aren't going to help much in that department anyway

[hollow shell]

🤔

[frosty trellis]

(Exo Weapons are definitely more impactful than enchantments if your name isn't traitorous I will say)

[hollow shell]

You have the weapons you just killed SCal with

[frosty trellis]

(Since it's a lot of risk with them vs the clean benefit from Exo Weapons themselves)

[drowsy plank]

very true

[frosty trellis]

Exo Mechs give at least two weapons per class via drops and or crafts

[hollow shell]

And with SCal you have at least one per class, plus Enchantments which can be applied to any weapon

[frosty trellis]

Exoblade and Spine of Thanatos (Melee)
Photovisorator, Heavenly Gale and The Jailor (Ranger)
Vivid Clarity and Subsuming Vortex (Mage)
Ares Exoskeleton and Cosmic Immateralizer (Summoner)
Supernova, Refractor Rotor, Celestus, The Atom Splitter (Rogue)

[frosty trellis]

Which are also risky and not something the general player base is going to use

[hollow shell]

If you gave Ashes of Annihilation a weapon set then SCal will be the better kill by far
Not only having a roughly equal amount of weapons gained compared to Exos but also getting Reforges 2

[frosty trellis]

No

Enchantments risk factor

Also like

Exo Box

From Exos

Makes SCal so much easier

[drowsy plank]

im not saying even a set, i only mention 2 weapons at most, which cover the exact classes which are weak anyway

[frosty trellis]

^

[worldly basalt]

doing exo after scal is about the same for anyone but mage and summoner, doing scal after exo is a breeze

[frosty trellis]

Condemnation is cool but is just harder to utilize than just Tyranny's or Nanogun
Sacrifice is fine with spam and stealth is... Needs dragon scales to be good

[frosty trellis]

Exo Box ye

SCal would give all classes weapons + enchants if the player is okay with the risk factor (which most aren't)
Exos give all classes weapons + Exo box, the best mobility item in the mod and extremely useful for SCal due to the precision it gives for her bullet hells

It's basically just personal preference at that point

I don't see the issue

[worldly basalt]

exo also gives draedon heart which is much more useful than adrenaline for scal due to invincibility phases

[frosty trellis]

That as well yeah

[crude geode]

exo box is far more useful than enchantments

[frosty trellis]

^^^^°°

(If the enchant isn't Traitorous)

[crude geode]

[hollow shell]

Alright fair enough with the Exo Box

[half imp]

making enchantments better would be a decent solution too although it wouldn't fix ashes being niche

maybe allow ashes to craft the drops scal already has at the very least?

would give them a purpose and help if you didn't get the drop you want, since unlike Exos her drops are random

[worldly basalt]

true

[hollow shell]

Wasn't that already a thing for the Evil2 bosses and I think partially Slime God and Cryogen too
then those all got removed from them?

... nevermind it's still there for Evil2s

[worldly basalt]

i don't know why its for specifically those two and no others tbh

[hollow shell]

Pretty wack yeah

[half imp]

yeah