suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

I think they mean holding a non summon weapon reduces the damage of sentries

when they're supposed to be used by other classes during the event

[placid moth]

ah that makes more sense

[half imp]

^

[errant bobcat]

Boulder statue cheese be like:

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Daedalus Armor Set Bonus (They Feels Outdated)]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Astrum Deus should drop Super Healing Potions]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Post-Moon Lord Melee Armors Have Melee Speed]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

(Something tells me the latter is unfortunately, not going to pass but eh, I digress)

[small timber]

yeah I cant exactly say "well since melee balance havent actually start so this is the only time (probably the last time) melee speed can actually be added to post-ML armor" so yeah

can't exactly just say "balancing havent actually start yet is the main reason of the suggestion" in the suggestion itself

[frosty trellis]

Fair

I hope it passes

[ruby plover]

@mortal aurora read the pins

simple as that

[thin hill]

I'm pretty sure there's one already

[ruby plover]

also yeah what

[hollow shell]

Tears of Heaven man

[ruby plover]

water bolt
fire bolt
frigidflash bolt
tears of heaven

[hollow shell]

It exists

[thin hill]

just check recipe browser lmao

[ruby plover]

god what even

[thin hill]

bro is clueless

[hollow shell]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Tears_of_Heaven

[mortal aurora]

?

[ruby plover]

what is confusin' there

[hollow shell]

Pins issue is less relevant than the "already exists" issue

[thin hill]

That's not how you post suggestions

[hollow shell]

but yeah it's not formatted correctly either

[mortal aurora]

Oh wait I’m bricked

I forgot ab figidflash bolt

goofed up

[hollow shell]

indeed

[thin hill]

clueless

[mortal aurora]

ion play mage lol

[mortal aurora]

Ok we get it your a calamity god and you know every item in the game

[thin hill]

I literally don't

[mortal aurora]

name one item uon know

exactly

you know all of them

[thin hill]

❓

[frozen hornet]

ghalax on his way to name a weapon that he doesn't know about (he can not because he does not know about it)

[thin hill]

yeah uh

how does one name an item he doesn't know of

[mortal aurora]

that’s the joke

genuinely clueless

[frozen hornet]

jokes on you I am also joking

[thin hill]

I laughed

[small timber]

[thin hill]

the

(I genuinely forgot what that is)

[ruby plover]

whaaat

is that the Triple-AntiSulphuric-Rifle

[small timber]

close enough

[ruby plover]

did i miss anything

[thin hill]

ah

I see what's going on

no wonder I saw anti material rifle there

[ruby plover]

well, anti-materiel is easier to recognise by the barrel, heh

[grim tusk]

The sulphuric materiel triploon

[drowsy plank]

this sugg feels weird

i suppose wikithis was a sugg for compatability

[drowsy plank]

@tranquil geyser you should probably read the pins

[tranquil geyser]

no

[glass arch]

@tranquil geyser SIS, not allowed

plus formatting

[tranquil geyser]

this is discord formatting is dumb

this aint no email

[glass arch]

its not hard

literally just shift + space with your title at the top

and boom, formatted

[tranquil geyser]

thats too dificult

[glass arch]

then dont suggest.

[frail mantle]

then your suggestion will never pass through

[tranquil geyser]

ok jacob

[frail mantle]

even if it wasn't a SIS

simple

[errant bobcat]

You could say a melee weapon dropping from aew, but you can’t suggest the specific item as per the pins

[tranquil geyser]

🤓

[errant bobcat]

Which, frankly, melee doesn’t need a super endgame weapon, it already has earth, exo blade, etc, plus some of the better enchantments, need I say more

[tranquil geyser]

no shut up bozo

[frail mantle]

stop being stupid

clown somewhere else

[errant bobcat]

Read the pins

And don’t troll

[blazing kettle]

triactis' true palidinian mage-hammer of might my beloved

[errant bobcat]

Honestly why is that name so long

[blazing kettle]

why not

[frail mantle]

quirky ancient dev item

[errant bobcat]

Fair enough

[tranquil geyser]

it has many letters mainly

[errant bobcat]

Wow, thanks

[tranquil geyser]

np

[errant bobcat]

[hollow shell]

Oh, it's you

[serene tendon]

Because the dev that it was dedicated to wanted it to be.

[drowsy plank]

i mean it makes sense

it's triactis' hammer, it needed to be differentiated from the paladin hammer, the only part that doesn't really fit is mage since even in the old days it was just melee/rogue, not melee/mage or something

oh and it used souls of might

it is the most literal name in the mod

[molten haven]

I think the mage part is just saying its magical

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[hybrid steeple]

calamity but every weapon follows this naming scheme
[creator of weapon]'s [true/false depending on whether it is the final upgrade for any given weapon] [adjective describing root weapon] [mage/brute depending on whether the weapon is magical]-[type of weapon] of [crafting material with relevant name]

[half imp]

Redigits' True terra mage sword of copper shortsword

did I do it right?

[small timber]

the suggestion will be hard when they are like, implementing exactly more summon weapons that move erratically

mainly is because more summon weapons are given higher speed (thus moving eratically) to catch up to bosses

[hybrid steeple]

which weapon is this i cant tell

[half imp]

I mean, it could have movement speed reduced when not tracking an enemy

[half imp]

zenith

[plush plank]

that's what I'm saying

[half imp]

Yea

[hybrid steeple]

redigit's true copper mage-sword of wrath is the best sounding one

[half imp]

yeah but wrath potions aren't an ingredient

[hybrid steeple]

you can get wrath from star wrath

[half imp]

true

redigits' true seeding mage sword of terra

zenith has so many possibilities

[cerulean garden]

anyone has guide for equipments like google spreadsheet for best equips per boss

[small timber]

This is not exactly the best channel to ask (off topic), #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk will probably be able to help you more

[serene tendon]

If you think about it, Zenith is a throwing weapon

[swift wharf]

you are not wrong

[errant bobcat]

Or the modded channel on the terraria server

[gray nebula]

jump => rehook => jump => rehook

[frosty trellis]

^

[hollow shell]

@prime quest ^

Doesn't invalidate the sugg outright but you should at least address that

[sullen swan]

Earth’s True Guardian Brute Blade Of Galactus

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Post-Moon Lord Melee Armors Have Melee Speed]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Astrum Deus should drop Super Healing Potions]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Daedalus Armor Set Bonus (They Feels Outdated)]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

watch as it never gets implemented

[grave zinc]

@fervent orbit - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Astrum Deus should drop Super Healing Potions]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

[hollow idol]

speedrun

[cobalt pewter]

real

[frosty trellis]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo

I am legit shocked that it wasn't rejected

[hollow shell]

Wow that was.. how the hell did that happen

[frosty trellis]

Legit though how and why

I'm not going to complain

Just shocked

[hollow idol]

it was like
we all knew it should happen, but didnt want it to because the rebalancing effort, but didnt object to the sugg because the former
(in the end it was 2v0)

[small timber]

tbh the main reason the suggestion was created was because xyk said he havent balance melee yet before 1.4.4 is out

[frosty trellis]

(I mean you were going to have to rebalanced anything related to melee speed anyways, so just give shit melee speed so you can better balance around it and stuff wont break as easily to one random melee speed accessory giving 15% melee speed)

[small timber]

so I thought that this will be like the only time where armor can actually be given melee speed because they havent actually carry out the balance work

(chances are if the melee speed isnt added after the 1.4.4 patch and xyk start balancing it will never happen again)

[frosty trellis]

Fair

(And then solar armor will be the best melee armor until godslayer since I presume the Dr is going to die very quickly)

[fervent orbit]

cool i got into calamity (real)

[blazing kettle]

why would destroyer need this

it cant fly

[frosty trellis]

Glances at death destroyer yes

[blazing kettle]

and its tiny

[frosty trellis]

Death mode

Is not tiny

[blazing kettle]

well tiny compared to DoG

in length

[frosty trellis]

Death mode dest is larger than DoG

[cobalt pewter]

it's still obscenely big

[frosty trellis]

In width

[cobalt pewter]

and you have barely any mobility at that point compared to pre dog

so destroyer feels much bigger than dog is on their respective tiers

[glass arch]

plus dog doesnt have as many body lasers

[blazing kettle]

solution: true melee

[glass arch]

solution: no

i will not play true melee

[frosty trellis]

Solution: Don't make a boss designed around a fucking subclass

[glass arch]

and yeah that too

its fine if a subclass is good at a boss but if theres nearly no other options then its a bad boss

[small timber]

because destroyer's laser is completely dependent on segment position

[blazing kettle]

yeah i know its a bad idea its just fun to laugh about rediculous destroyer gets

[small timber]

without its body displaying on maps you are basically dodging lasers blind folded or are forced to keep destroyer on screen and coil it (which of course make probes a big problem)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Which is amplified further on death mode and makes him just complete bullshit

(I would know as I've nohit him and he is just not fun)

[blazing kettle]

will the scale down in size in the changelog make it marginally better?

[glass arch]

i hope so

[frosty trellis]

Marginal but still not fun due to lack of mobility and lack of being able to get proper positioning reliably

Since the minimap thing with his head displacement might not be fixed

[small timber]

the other one is deus but they probably will never add that one

their original reason to "not add map icon for all worm boss" was not because "it is not needed", but was because "it looks ugly on shorter worm bosses"

but turns out destroyer and deus P1 is pretty long

[glass arch]

deus is definitely a lot less positioning relevant iirc

[small timber]

deus is massively positioning relevant (because you have to keep track of both worms and the mine/lasers they fire, which direction they come from etc), just P2 deus is so short that it will run onto the problem above

[crude geode]

God I love consistently being pessimistic

[cobalt pewter]

wdym

that's as optimistic as I can ever be

[finite swallow]

DM destroyer can definitely fly below 50%, even above 50% it can cheat enough momentum to stop any trapping strategies, it is obscenely big, to the point where, with on-tier mobility, it's ridiculously difficult to react to just based on it entering the screen. It also gets difficult to tell if you're surrounded. Furthermore, a destroyer head hit in on-tier gear is roughly equivalent to - if not more punishing for some classes - as a DoG head hit in on-tier gear. In fact, as melee, I routinely recover from a DoG head hit slightly undergeared but find it far more difficult to recover from a destroyer head hit in on-tier gear with an ML-tier weapon. The whole rework is honestly pretty badly designed in my opinion, so at least it could be made fairer by the map not straight up lying to you.

[bright crag]

It should happen, for consistency at least

And it feels like we're bound to rebalance melee speed anyways
So it's better to have the whole kit

I don't remember voting, though

It's likely that I chose to abstain

[half imp]

so basically melee stay winning

[frosty trellis]

Ye (and needs to be fully rebalanced)

[half imp]

that makes uh

a lot of classes/subclasses

[crude geode]

Balance nerds when the game is unbalanced (this is completely new and out of nowhere)

[versed cape]

always

[frosty trellis]

I don't exactly agree with removing the sound, but turning it down by like 66% would be nice on the ears
I like the idea of it having a sound just to make it more unique in a sense

But yeah the positioning thing is annoying

[bright crag]

^

[short carbon]

i personally love the vigilance noise (funny teehee birds) so maybe adding in a "summon noise" scalar as opposed to just nuking it from orbit. but yeah the positioning is very annoying

[half imp]

The positioning definitely agree with

but I really like the sound, although making it quieter and less common would be fine

[quick burrow]

make yharim himself into a boss very cool character

[frosty trellis]

Planned for 3+ years from now

[grave zinc]

@sick musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent lava from generating inside and around the Sunken Sea, and make its water color override the desert's.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[atomic shell]

no more pissen sea 😦

[sick musk]

[silver pike]

make this armor easier to get by making flixes SPAWN in snow block and bassicl anywhere in the snow

cause how do you find a snow flinx naterualy

[golden tulip]

i think 1.4.4 fixes that

[silver pike]

idk

[golden tulip]

(yes)

[silver pike]

well tmodloader isent 1.4.4?

or calamity isent at lest

[golden tulip]

no but that means it will be fixed

[silver pike]

wait who actually try to get snow ruffian armor

[atomic shell]

what else are rogues supposed to get 😭😭

[swift wharf]

tin

gladiator

[fervent orbit]

it doesnt need fixing since next update is gonna be for 1.4.4 anyway

[worldly basalt]

early game rogues probably

[silver pike]

Well but the way to get it

mainly the snow flinx

[worldly basalt]

yea thats why the suggestion is to make it easier

[glass arch]

i mean

the sugg isnt needed

next major update is gonna be on tmod 1.4.4

[fervent orbit]

i literally said this

[glass arch]

yeah

i did see that

i was reiterating because boberson didnt seem to get the message

[drowsy plank]

i love the number of "fix this thing 1.4.4 already fixed" suggs we get lmao

im wondering if tmod 1.4.4 and terraria 1.4.5 are gonna end up releasing at the same time at this point lol

[inner anvil]

There's a possibility.

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

truly the content train never stops

i really hope they just do terraria 2 after this instead of 1.4.6 or 1.5 lmfao

[crude geode]

I think most people do

[drowsy plank]

the number of people who know nothing about programming that want 1.5 is suprising tbh

[crude geode]

I would say it’s unsurprising

It’s probably why they want a 1.5, because they think it can realistically happen

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[tawny garden]

lmao I've just looked at the latest sugg in voting and I legit thought that Vigilance is some new game mechanic for a second there

I'm so disconnected from this game now

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[grave zinc]

@fleet bobcat - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add in a mini map icon for Cragmire Maw, and Nuclear Terror]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

[fleet bobcat]

[frosty trellis]

Based suggestion implementation

[fervent orbit]

ok but r they part of life analyser or not? i forgor

[drowsy plank]

nice

[novel belfry]

[glass arch]

that emoji activates every bone in my body and sets them all to attack mode

[crude geode]

Did we not have enough Pog emotes

[novel belfry]

Here's all of them

[serene tendon]

There's apparently also an animated version of the fish one for Nitro users

[serene tendon]

I agree

[novel belfry]

Animated Pogfish

[serene tendon]

yeah

that's what I said

[pine star]

why did we need

[rugged belfry]

[ruby plover]

ah yes

can't believe we didnt think of this

kekekekeke

[blazing kettle]

holy shit

[ruby plover]

@severe inlet the wiki can't be taken down without a huge amount of effort and money, so long as the wiki becomes a money-maker for fandom, they won't get rid of it

[blazing kettle]

somebody finally did it

[ruby plover]

additionally, use the wiki.gg wiki

if you didnt already know, that is

just, ignore the fandom wiki, its purposely a cesspool of despair

[blazing kettle]

a wiki for community content sounds like a bad idea

[ruby plover]

indeed

[cobalt pewter]

@severe inlet

• fandom is garbage
• calamitymod.wiki.gg is the current official wiki, even in-game the mod tells you

oh I didn't read the 2nd point

no.

[frail mantle]

Fandom is basically becoming the calamity fan ideas wiki at this point

Not exactly much we can do about it

[rugged belfry]

Terminate the Calamity Fandom Wiki
Already tried

Make a separate wiki for community content
We have

[quiet kernel]

And the name is fandom

[hollow shell]

@severe inlet
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/

[thin hill]

Terminate the Calamity Fandom Wiki

[hollow shell]

We would love to kill the Fandom wiki but we can't because the parent company loves money

[thin hill]

Yeah, if we could we would have done that from the start

[distant gyro]

one day the war will be won

[hollow idol]

one day (when the internet itself is gone)

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-voting message

is this technically implemented now with 422?

[hollow idol]

hm, well, the sugg is for depth in general while the changelog is specifically corruption pits

[cobalt pewter]

hmmm, fair then

[hollow shell]

The sugg's reasoning uses Corruption chasms as the sole example though

Tho I suppose those aren't the only pits that can generate in the world

[cobalt pewter]

Amphibian Boots requiring Frog Gear instead of just Frog Leg is

hmmmm

Amphibian was never really supposed to be an equivalent replacement to Terraspark no?

[alpine prawn]

100% you are right, but lots of people use them instead because of how annoying terraspark is

but since calamity makes terraspark easier to use, amphibian boots could you an edge so that they're not just another throwaway accessory that no one uses anymore

[swift wharf]

but it's

not another throwaway accessory

and making it need frog gear would make the recipe annoying to craft

and climbing is useless

swimming is whatever

[alpine prawn]

It would in turn be more useful, though

[swift wharf]

you are fixing a problem

that does not exist

it's already really good

[cobalt pewter]

Amphibian is already good as is yeah

[alpine prawn]

a few more effects wouldn't hurt though, would it? since terraspark boots are now so much easier to get, no one will use amphibian boots anymore

[cobalt pewter]

I think Hellfire Treads need a bit more instead of whatever they gave to it in cal

[alpine prawn]

I 100% agree with this

[cobalt pewter]

though it's definitely more than just fucking vanity

[swift wharf]

hellfire treads is

too fuckign good

what the fuck

??????????????????????????????

it's literally broken

[cobalt pewter]

awesome

[swift wharf]

preboss accessory melting bosses because of fire debuffs

[alpine prawn]

oh, yeah, for sure! but amphibian boots are just ok running and frog leg jumping. they could use some help imo

[swift wharf]

please dont add random effects to items

that dont need them

[cobalt pewter]

I just think the effect they gave is

eh boring, and as you said, broken

[alpine prawn]

I think it could use them tbh

[swift wharf]

dragon drizzlefish and hellfire treads is obscene

[cobalt pewter]

at least 1.4.4 banished it being a noob trap for Terraspark

[swift wharf]

with daybreak items as well

and then there slime gun and other fire buffing debuffs

etc etc

amphibian boots dont need useless debuffs thank you very much

• recipe bloat......

[cobalt pewter]

Amphibian is fine as is ye

[small timber]

it will just make it harder to get amphibian boots and make it still useless

[cobalt pewter]

Hellfire Treads is boring

[small timber]

that is the exacy opposite of what you want to do with the item: make it even harder to get for some irrelevant minor effects

[swift wharf]

fire debuff bonus funeny

[alpine prawn]

it wouldn't be useless though. it would be marginally harder to make, but more useful

[cobalt pewter]

sure, broken as shit or whatever, but who cares it's boring 😪

[swift wharf]

ah yes

climbing

my favorite useful stat

a weapon to surpass celestial treads

tracers whatever

[alpine prawn]

climbing is cool! remember, these would be pre-boss and not used outside of pre-hardmode

[small timber]

you know what will make frog leg immediately semi useful

make it use spectral boots

boom suddenly it is good

[lavish condor]

climbing is added by a hook, flipper is done by a potion

[swift wharf]

remember that hooks and balloons and other means to move around exist

[small timber]

not, insert wall climb and swim

[cobalt pewter]

you mean Spectre?

[swift wharf]

you will be hit with a rock

[small timber]

yeah spectre

[swift wharf]

if you want swimming and climbing

use frog gear

[alpine prawn]

yeah I know but amphibian boots have been left in the dust because theres no reason to make them in calamity

[swift wharf]

:)

[swift wharf]

they are literally

GOOD

[lavish condor]

Adding flipper and tiger climbing won't add a reason

[swift wharf]

what do you MEAN

[alpine prawn]

not really... it's just subpar running and some jumping

[swift wharf]

this man about to drop that fairy boots are mid too

[lavish condor]

Tiger climbing gear substituted with any hook, flipper substituted with the potion

[alpine prawn]

tf are you talking about fairy boots also suck

[swift wharf]

tell me that you never used the boots

without telling me that you never use the boots

[alpine prawn]

they can't even be upgraded into anything useful

[lavish condor]

They're a very good stat stick that merges with your boots

10 defense 4 life regen, obtainable pre-boss?

[alpine prawn]

and then they go absolutely nowhere

[swift wharf]

fairy boots are good until treads

the urge to say a slur

[alpine prawn]

if they used the lighting boots, than yeah, but if it's just the spectre boots, no thank you

[lavish condor]

It's not like every world has 1 pair of boots and only 1 pair of boots

[alpine prawn]

yeah but I don't wanna waist my time

when cal is in 1.4.4 and we have shimmer than I'll use them but for now I just don't want to waist ingredients

[lavish condor]

ig that's a valid reason

[small timber]

fairy boots is probably the most bullshit broken boots in the game right now until like celestial tracer

that and hellfire treads, though at least hellfire treads is only good on specific weapon instead of just all class

[swift wharf]

well you see fuck you because anything that isn't terraspark sucks :)))))

[alpine prawn]

how are celestial tracers broken? they're made with auric bars..... they're literally endgame

[small timber]

the entire effectiveness of terraspark boots is literally just spectre boots

[swift wharf]

can you read

[small timber]

you have spectre boots you basically have terraspark

[lavish condor]

They aren't saying celestial is broken they're saying fairy holds up until celestial finally out-tiers them

[alpine prawn]

it's just that everything that's not terraspark is permanently stuck in pre-hardmode and never get any better

[swift wharf]

IT'S NOT

JUTS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET AN UPGRADE

DOESNT MEAN IT'S STUCK

[lavish condor]

RedRice's argument is that you can't upgrade the sidegrades to Terraspark and since they don't want to get multiple pairs of boots they're worthless

[swift wharf]

literalmente just

use it later

i typed in portuguese lma

[small timber]

other boots aside (since that is not related to the suggestion)

literally, frog gear effect will not help amphibian boots

it do nothing other than make the item even harder to get

[swift wharf]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

frog gear is fucking goofy

[grave zinc]

@hazy sand - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astrum Aureus less tanky or more interesting]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

lma

[alpine prawn]

they all get outclassed post mech because of the angel treads. also the water walking is just too damn good to pass up. also, with the seraph tracers, your boots and wings only need one slot and you don't need to use up mulitple valuable slots for good mobility

[small timber]

frog gear is not water physic immunity, it is literally just flipper

[cobalt pewter]

moment

[lavish condor]

Me when the pre-HM accessory gets outclassed in HM

[swift wharf]

their argument is flawed as FUCK

[alpine prawn]

dude chill

[small timber]

and a wall climb effect that is useless except for exploration (just hook) and like, scal????

[swift wharf]

and to fix that

you add climbing gear and flippers

????????????????????

how does that even work

[alpine prawn]

swimming is awesome pre-boss

[swift wharf]

so it's not that good after pre hardmode

so you add a pre boss effect

the logic.

[lavish condor]

wall climb is completely replaced by a hook, flipper is completely replaced by flipper potion

[small timber]

in what situation do you need wall climbing and flippers at the time you can get a frog gear/amphibian boots

[lavish condor]

It doesn't really help too much.

[inner anvil]

Yo! Logic talk in my #suggestions-discussion? That's a branch of philosophy, right?!

[alpine prawn]

and it's not offensive, it's just an extra couple of effects with an extra couple of ingredients. I do not understand why everyone is so angry. this happens every time

[swift wharf]

me adding stepping stool to warrior emblem (it's viable for post moonlord now)

[small timber]

there is no chance you dont have a hook at that point, and for water you can always use flipper potion, but also arctic diving gear exist which is free in ice lab

[alpine prawn]

you're missing my point

[swift wharf]

you make the recipe worse
and add useless effects

[alpine prawn]

untrue

[swift wharf]

do you not see the problem

[grave zinc]

@rancid gust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more ambient entities]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[alpine prawn]

no YOU don't see the problem

[swift wharf]

there is no problem

you're fixing something that does not need a fix

[alpine prawn]

at least don't be an asshole about it

[swift wharf]

i'm trying but the suggestion is very stupid 😭

[inner anvil]

What is even happening right now? I just saw the word logic and laughed.

[swift wharf]

we're literally explaining to you but you're just "well you see but swimming"

[small timber]

if you want to add an effect at least add one that is actually useful, frog gear is good in vanilla because frog leg is good, not because frog gear effect is good

[alpine prawn]

who are you to say? it's not that bad

[swift wharf]

Ok so amphibian boots is not that good, so we will add swimming and climbing to it to be a sidegrade to terraspark and such

🧐

[inner anvil]

We already have a sidegrade of Terraspark planned that does not involve Amphibian, sorry.

[alpine prawn]

that's an oversimplification but basically

[swift wharf]

might as well add stepping stool to it tbh

the +1 tile reach is very op

fr fr

[alpine prawn]

ooo, planned? now I'm interested

[inner anvil]

You know the drop from Aureus? That thing that is bad? Yeah, imagine it but good, that's all I can really say.

[swift wharf]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

at last

a sabaton buff

[small timber]

oh right I forgot amphibian boots can only use sailfish boots

[swift wharf]

what if you wanted to be a good accessory but god said

cooldown

yea they're p much fishing boots

maed with fishing materials

[small timber]

which makes it even worse since if you can fish up a sailfish boots chances are you done a decent bit of exploration already

[swift wharf]

climbing gear is not a fishing material.....

yeah that is true

[distant gyro]

Terraspark is out tiered at that point silly

[inner anvil]

Angel Treads*.

[swift wharf]

we say terraspark because it is more memorable than angel treads

[distant gyro]

[alpine prawn]

true

[distant gyro]

not really

[swift wharf]

ok anyways

[distant gyro]

me when hermes is the god damn most memorable boots

because you can't not get it

[cobalt pewter]

I am half tempted to turn this conversation into an Ace Attorney scene

[inner anvil]

We're too lazy to do that.

[cobalt pewter]

that is true

[inner anvil]

At least sure I am.

[swift wharf]

1. amphibian boots are NOT obsolete
2. from my own experience, they're good until like angel treads
3. adding useless effects instead of buffing it directly will NOT make it useful
4. adding frog gear to it just makes the recipe worse, if the goal of the entire item is to be easier to craft

do it pussy no balls

1 is objective 2 is subjective teehee

look carefully at 3, thank you

like it's a common thing now

how do people come up with the silliest ways of buffing something instead of y'know

buffing it directly

[small timber]

amphibian boots should use a lavaproof tackle box which will increase its versatility and make it more useful generally

[cobalt pewter]

fuck you for gaslighting me

#suggestions-discussion message

reminder link

will do it once I'm home

[swift wharf]

very well.

[alpine prawn]

why are you so rude and offended

it was a harmless suggestion. you have just not liked it

but you had to get all angry

why?

[swift wharf]

not only it is wrong

[alpine prawn]

subjective

[swift wharf]

but it also makes no sense

[alpine prawn]

untrue

[swift wharf]

nono it's objectively wrong

[alpine prawn]

no

[lavish condor]

Being angry at someone on the internet is kinda pointless

[swift wharf]

but we also gave you 10 reasons to WHY it makes no sense

i am not mad at it

i mad at you not even reading what we are saying

[alpine prawn]

please stop acting like your opinion is the one true fact, it's giving me second had embarrassment

[swift wharf]

my point has been proven

[lavish condor]

Would there be a better way to buff amphibian boots that isn't adding frog gear?

[alpine prawn]

literally no it hasn't

[alpine prawn]

I can come up with another idea, just give me a little time

adding frog gear was just kind of obvious to me

[inner anvil]

IDK, kinda' difficult when other Frog Leg upgrades do the other stuff that Amphibian could do.

[swift wharf]

this hurts my soul

[inner anvil]

That is not just jump and run.

[swift wharf]

you could just not buff it....

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

Or we can just do that.

Both options are valid TBH.

[swift wharf]

add amphibian to belt

the one that uses frog leg

idk

[inner anvil]

It could, it could.

[swift wharf]

THEN it would be useful

because it has other stuff

it would have climbing but it would also have ACTUAL BUFFS

[alpine prawn]

one other idea that I don't like as much has to do with vital jelly in the amphibian boots. they're both green, frogs are slimy, the vital jelly is slimy, they both have to do with jumping.... but vital jelly is used in grand gelatin which is much better for different reasons so to me it's a no go

[small timber]

that WILL be useful, but the connection between the two item is like

non existent (other than their colour)

[swift wharf]

el strech

[lavish condor]

They're also both related to aquatic creatures (green jellyfish and frogs)

[alpine prawn]

mostly, but yeah I'm not a huge fan of this one. as I said, you need the vital jelly for more important things later

[swift wharf]

mayb amph could use some fishing stuff

[small timber]

well if you go with that logic a LOT of items will use vital jelly

[swift wharf]

but there is like

none

[small timber]

like, a LOT

[fossil finch]

Leave amphibians alone

[small timber]

no, add lavaproof tackle box to it

[alpine prawn]

oh imagine feral claws in the amphibian boots 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
now that's not a good idea

[swift wharf]

true real based fr fr on god

reply ping augh

[alpine prawn]

I'm looking through the wiki to see what connections I could make

[swift wharf]

what if we left perfectly fine items alone

:)

[alpine prawn]

it just feels like waisted potential

[lavish condor]

the entire reasoning for the sugg is that amphibian boots lost their cheap-to-craft utility when terraspark ingredients became craftable, but Cal also makes frog leg craftable, so that got just as easy to make

[swift wharf]

true

the only thing you need is sailfish

which is hella easy to get

[alpine prawn]

ok new idea

[fossil finch]

Newer idea we stop giving calamity weird balance changes and mechanics that don't amount to anything on the long ru

[swift wharf]

truer

[alpine prawn]

since frog leg is sort of jungle themed now (because you can craft the frog leg with frogs in the jungle) what if it was just directly upgraded by adding perennial or chlorophyte or living shards or something (My original idea was more elegant and simple imo. this is now missing my original point and I am not a fan of this one either)

[alpine prawn]

where's the fun in that

[swift wharf]

[inner anvil]

(How about we do whatever the dev team thinks is a good idea).

[swift wharf]

its not frog themed

[fossil finch]

The dev team does have a record

Of

[swift wharf]

i typed that wrong

[fossil finch]

Uh

[swift wharf]

the dev team does have one of the records in modded terraria

the gorbinos quest of dev teams anyways-

it's not jungle themed

it's just made with frogs because qol

[small timber]

^

[alpine prawn]

it sort of is because of the frogs, even if it's just qol

[inner anvil]

Shame for you.

[swift wharf]

thats an even bigger stretch

[alpine prawn]

ok now this I am excited for

[swift wharf]

than jelly

[alpine prawn]

I outright said that I didn't like the jelly idea

[swift wharf]

im still baffled at the

[inner anvil]

It's not soon, we have other stuff to do, it's not really our priority.

[alpine prawn]

you're just baffled because you don't like my idea, you're just forcing yourself to not like me now

[swift wharf]

makes amphibian boots a little more interesting and viable for people who don't want to go through the trouble of making terraspark boots.
proceeds to suggest increasing the recipe of the item

letm e finsish

i mean in the meantime you can use fairy boots

[alpine prawn]

BARELY harder recipe, still easier than terraspark

obviously

[swift wharf]

and hellfire treads but that is more gimmicky if you want it to be op

but tbf it makes everything inflict hellfire so it's still very good

byeah at this point there is not much to say

[small timber]

wait they updated climbing gear recipe?

[alpine prawn]

wait, did they?

[small timber]

climbing claw dont have a recipe now, and shoe spike use spike

so it is post-skeletron if you want to craft it instead of finding it normally

[alpine prawn]

oh yeah I knew that

[small timber]

which will make this accessory not just "barely harder recipe"

[swift wharf]

we already said why it's not really needed so

[small timber]

and flipper also have no crafting recipe and require you to kill specific enemies

[swift wharf]

or rely on rng

[small timber]

(or water chest lmao)

[alpine prawn]

the shoe spikes are literally just underground loot

and the climbing claws are SURFACE CHEST LOOT

[swift wharf]

very useful loot btw

[alpine prawn]

and chances are, if you're fishing for the frog leg and sailfish boots, you'll get a flipper from an ocean crate anyway

[small timber]

surface chest loot is a gigantic wormhole in that it can range from giving you stepstool to no aglet

[swift wharf]

also very useful btw

this is so scuffed

[small timber]

which is exactly the problem: previous you just have to get a sailfish boots, now you have to get an ocean crate that have flipper too

[alpine prawn]

opinion moment

[swift wharf]

that im start to think that the vital jelly thing would be a better buff

than frog gear

[small timber]

same with climbing gear/shoe spike, if you dont get it you have to fish for it

it just makes the recipe harder for basically irrelevant effect at that point, considering you have enough fishing power to fish up a sailfish boots you probably already done a decent part of exploration and probably are gearing for bosses

[swift wharf]

yeha

[small timber]

and for bosses no, swimming and wall climb is just not useful at all, unless you dont have a hook which is an unreasonable assumption

[alpine prawn]

fishing is the opitamy of being lazy and getting things without working for them, but taking longer to do so

[swift wharf]

and this is basing that amphibian boots is bad

[small timber]

if you search for it normally these accessories already outlived their usefulness by the time you got them

[swift wharf]

YEAH

[small timber]

if you need a flipper to find a flipper, then flipper is already useless because you are done with water exploration

[swift wharf]

by the time you get them they're not needed

[alpine prawn]

in calamity they are because you just might as well get terraspark. in vanilla, terraspark is WAY harder to get, which makes the amphibian boots more viable. now that terraspark is easy to get, you don't even need to bother getting the amphibia boots

[small timber]

meanwhile hook is a direct upgrade to climbing gear in almost everywhere for exploration

[swift wharf]

but

they're better movement options than terrapsark

what

you get frog leg and boots

for free

you could always just use boots and leg but it frees a slot

[alpine prawn]

what? how? in what way? terraspark has better running, rocket boot flight, walking on all liquids, lava immunity

and upgrades

[swift wharf]

and the other has frog leg effects

which are very strong

[small timber]

tldr, our argument is not "amphabian boots is good and doesn't need buff", it is that, assuming the suggestion is correct, and that "amphibian boots is bad", the effect added by the suggestion do not help it become viable whatsoever

[swift wharf]

^

[small timber]

because wall climb and flipper effect is just useless, at the point you can get amphibian boots, so it literally just make recipe harder with no payoff

[swift wharf]

that shrimple

🫰

btw boots are useless for swimming

[small timber]

it will be like if terraspark have 5 more 10% movement speed accessory added to its recipe and have the exact same effect

[alpine prawn]

it also just makes sense. amphibians have been known to climb, swim, and jump well. It just makes sense for something called "Amphibian Boots" to have all of these effects, and you just literally can't deny that. it's just real biology

[swift wharf]

you dont need the speed stuff from boots while swimming

when diving gears exist

ur in water not on land

running is actually SLOWER

[small timber]

then your main reasoning cannot be "do this because the accessory is bad in my eye"

[swift wharf]

so no reason to give both to an item

and "it just makes sense" is not valid either

[fossil finch]

Was too based for memes damn

[small timber]

it will be "for flavour"

[alpine prawn]

the accessory isn't bad, it's just not worth getting in calamity. It could use an edge, and adding frog gear is just the obvious way to do that

[swift wharf]

but it is worth it

its a good item to get

it does its job

[alpine prawn]

not when terraspark is basically free in calamity

[swift wharf]

so because one recipe is easier it is bad

i see

[small timber]

its effect is different, it doesn't matter what made its recipe

[alpine prawn]

no it's that it has very little going for it in comparison to terraspark

[swift wharf]

subjective...

[small timber]

you cannot say hellfire treads and fairy boots is bad just because terraspark is easier to get
or that asgard's valor is bad because counter scarf is free

[swift wharf]

^

^^^^^^

[alpine prawn]

it has 2 ok effects while terraspark has several

[swift wharf]

walking on water

very useful

walking on ice

(fast)

very useful

[alpine prawn]

and honey and lava. and yes, it's amazingly usefull

[swift wharf]

yes i walk on honey all the time

i will excuse lava however because wof

but even then hellbridge

[alpine prawn]

it's great for queen bee. you don't need an arena

[swift wharf]

you could just

take 30 seocnds and cover the honey

idk

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[alpine prawn]

oh my god

but why would I do these things when I can make a powerful accessory that will be with me throughout the entire playthrough

[swift wharf]

mentioning potions are kind of a pipebomb

potion shops

anyways this is when i say that

amphibian boots are a sidegrade

[inner anvil]

Based? Based on what?

Hold on, I need to get the video.

[swift wharf]

military complex

i find it quite simple

[inner anvil]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zo-8zM2ZJgY

[swift wharf]

anyways fuck amphibian boots we should be talking about dunerider boots tbh tbh

[fossil finch]

I love videos because I can just ignore them

[small timber]

buff dunerider boots by making it so worms dont attack you while wearing it

[swift wharf]

unironically S tier

fuck tomb crawlers

and half of the bosses

[small timber]

I am incredibly disappointed that that is not exactly the case

[inner anvil]

Really choosing to be mean, damn.

[swift wharf]

make so dunerider boots spawn worms

like fairy boots

[swift wharf]

this sounds like a meme because calam

[fossil finch]

evilmaxxed too hard sorry

[small timber]

-5000 aggro for worms

[inner anvil]

IDK, goodmax or something.

[fossil finch]

Calam should definitely add more worm related stuff

[swift wharf]

tomb crawlers now follow you around and attack enemies

summoner boots..

[fossil finch]

Definitely nobody disagrees with that critical issue (lack of worms)

[swift wharf]

https://twitter.com/CalamityModTeam/status/1612632804478652416?s=20&t=UTD8IAQRkq6O_TnO0qiBKQ

Calamity Mod (@CalamityModTeam)

Coming Soon™ to a Calamity Mod near you! 👀

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[fossil finch]

This link appeared magically so strange

[drowsy plank]

why the fuck would you use terraspark against bosses lmao

besides like exactly wof if you dont feel like making potions to run on lava

fr this sugg is ass and is going to die in voting it would do so much better if you just said to use spectre over sailfish but even then amph boots are already kind of zany when ur using double jumps like Bundle in preHM anyway lmao

like i used frog leg until Empress unironically i dont think the best item in the game needs buffs, let alone bad buffs

[swift wharf]

well you see but climbing

[drowsy plank]

me when i just... jump over the blocks bc i have fucking frog leg equipped 🤓

[swift wharf]

what if its too tall...

[drowsy plank]

pickaxes arent real

[swift wharf]

well you see

[fervent orbit]

wat if its made of lihzarhd brick and youre pre golem?

[drowsy plank]

who is putting towers high enough you cant jump over out of lihzarhd brick in your preHardmode world

that does remind me lihzarhd is actually obtainable preHM in calamity because of the funny rolling guys dropping it and hoiks so you can technically softlock yourself

[crude geode]

Yep

[fervent orbit]

save and exit world

[crude geode]

that doesn't solve bricking your spawn

[fervent orbit]

yea but then amphibian stuff is useless

[versed cape]

@severe inlet holy based

[fervent orbit]

wow its almost like we cant delete it

[glass arch]

pretty sure we tried

[fervent orbit]

and like you refuesed to actually look

[glass arch]

but yeah without extensive legal action (that isnt gonna be taken because haha money) we cant take it down period

[swift wharf]

ding dong ditching tm

[grim tusk]

Latest sugg really under estimates jump speed

Its so strong we had to nerf it

[crude geode]

Suggs typically underestimate everything besides pure dmg

[grim tusk]

So Amphibian is worse than its vanilla counterpart, which ends up making Terraspark more desirable

@alpine prawn

You also forgot to address Fairy Boots which also give it competition

Imo Fairy are better than Terraspark

Also I do not see at all why making Amphibian boots more expensive make em be able to compete more with those 2

In fact it would worsen the problem

As to now it will be “Why craft Amphibian if they’re both expensive and bad”

Rather than just “Its slightly worse than Terraspark but its far cheaper to compensate”

[fervent orbit]

just use frog leg with bob smh

[half imp]

reminds me

[grim tusk]

You also dont address why the proposed changes would even help Amphibian boots and just complain of why Terraspark are better than Amphibian

I think this is an ❗

[half imp]

not something I can legit suggest since 1.4.4 isn't here but i hope Hellfire Treads stay with lava waders instead of the vanilla new recipe

loosely related to the concept of boots being better than each other

[grim tusk]

Maybe we could have both

Hellfire giving mobility would be helpful either way

[half imp]

for sure, it's just nice to not have 4 different boots competing for the running boot

[grim tusk]

And would also retain the safety aspect against fire blocks

[fervent orbit]

just post the suggestion the second the update drops

[half imp]

fairy/amphibian/terraspark is already a lot of similar boots

[grim tusk]

And also still have the fucking x1.5 fire DoT boost be hard to get

Cuz if it was just Spectre + Flame walker it would be quite free (we COULD nerf the DoT mult to x1.25 though)

[half imp]

yeah

i mean... fairy + hellfire could be an upgrade at some point although that sounds insanely broken

[grim tusk]

Nah, I could see it working

Maybe post-Calamitas/Plant

[half imp]

debuff rework may help that be okay too

not having 5x damage natrually on weak enemies

[grim tusk]

Yea it will no longer be as stupid

Me when Polt gets annihilated by Daybreak + fuckton of DoT boost

[half imp]

mfw hellfire treads, cinnamon roll, and slime gun make Daybroken deal 2000 a tick on moon lord/polt

[grim tusk]

I remember pleading on Infernum Dev to make Argus immune to debuffs on ph2 cuz otherwise he was so easy to melt even when his hp was overtuned

[fervent orbit]

ooh sounds good

maybe make it use tattered fairy or smthn since yes

cuz evil fairy

and ashes of calamity for

f i r e

[crude geode]

everything must be balanced around boss fights

[half imp]

living shards and ashes of calamity would make sense

[half imp]

i mean, there's only 3 events left that blazing core can be useful at all in at that stage of the game

most of the content post-ml is bosses

[crude geode]

I know it's just a complaint about current calamity balance

[half imp]

ah

[fossil finch]

Blade of Grass

[half imp]

blazing sun is the only post-ml accessory besides like... abyssal diving suit that isn't really any good on a boss at all

and even abyssal is good for AEW

[fossil finch]

I love abyssal being brought into this despite being a mobility acc

Very funny

[fervent orbit]

"erhm aktually abyssal diving suit has adr so it has some use🤓"

[half imp]

i mean... mobility in the abyss

not useful against any bosses but AEW

[crude geode]

abyssal when it trivializes minibosses

[half imp]

blazing core just feels so incredibly niche at best at that point in the game

[fossil finch]

Me when the basic movement option trivializes on tier minibosses

[grim tusk]

Blazing Core needs a full on rework

[fossil finch]

(a problem with the acc, clearly

[half imp]

i would agree with a rework being the best but even just having it not be static for 10 seconds would help a ton

[crude geode]

truely

[alpine prawn]

well I guess my idea can go burn in hell, as usual

[drowsy plank]

jesus christ dude it isn't a personal attack, we even gave you ideas on how to improve it, you just refuse to listen

[glass arch]

we try to give criticism, if you dont listen to said criticism thats on you

[frosty trellis]

That's not even imo that's just objectively true bc water walking and obi skin pots exist
And fairy boots have better Ms and defensive benefits

(And far easier to make)

[grim tusk]

So true but imagine taking 2 more acc slots (and later having to craft Terraspark anyways for Angel treads)

Just playin devil’s advocate

Both have their pro’s and cons

[frosty trellis]

I only craft terraspark to make angel treads

(Thankfully getting two pairs of Hermes boots while exploring in a normal pt is reasonable)

[grim tusk]

And you can craft em anyways

Recipe is very simple

[frosty trellis]

Yep

The only downside for fairy boots is that you can't place shit through the fairies

[drowsy plank]

is that still not fixed yet?

i swore a sugg for that passed years ago

[swift wharf]

🪦

[drowsy plank]

oh tbf this seems more like a bug anyway

someone should write a bug report for that at some point

[swift wharf]

I wouldn't say it is a bug

since not being able to place tiles in entities is intended

[crude geode]

^^^

[swift wharf]

but it sucks for this purpose so it goes in sugg

or you could just like make a projectile with a fairy sprite that spawns periodically instead of using actual fairies

[drowsy plank]

id say its kinda like summons

its a weird case

[fervent orbit]

just make them unable to despawn and put them in boxes

[prime quest]

Is it impossible to make cal whips?

[frosty trellis]

Impossible? Absolutely not
Are they not happening for over a year because they are hell to balance and the current summons aren't even balanced around current whips? Yep

[swift wharf]

whips will come out when they're done

[drowsy plank]

read the pins impossible challenge

[crude geode]

Discord users read challenge

[ruby plover]

@quick heart “read the pins challenge”

There’s stuff you need to follow for suggestions

[blazing kettle]

wasnt there compatib8lity in the past?

[ruby plover]

Also that’s not gonna happen anyway, what you are asking

[ruby plover]

There were calamity-based enchantments, but those have now been killed

[blazing kettle]

ah okay

[stable kiln]

epic suggestion

[small timber]

Both modifies bosses significantly, they will never be compatible

Make it so the world dont crash when you create/enter the world maybe, but actual compatibility probably no

[blazing kettle]

make golem not impossible when clashing mods challenge

[cobalt pewter]

cal's definition of "compatibility", at worst, is making sure both mods ain't buggy when used together

I'd say Golem is a design clash between the two mods so not sure if that falls under "bug"

[thin hill]

Just don't use Souls with Calamity

[frosty trellis]

Just don't fucking mix content mods!!!!!

Why is that so hard!!!!

[thin hill]

[drowsy plank]

isnt cal

already compatible with fargo's???

like on fargo's side obviously but still???????

[thin hill]

Not really

[drowsy plank]

i mean there are cal enchants aren't there

[frosty trellis]

No those have been gutted

[drowsy plank]

oh lmfao

good

rip bozo

[quiet kernel]

And for a good reason

Its an endless task to update the crossmod part of the souls dlc and takes too much effort

Also the balance would still be bad

[grim tusk]

https://youtu.be/YcJ-B8-DqDk

The tml being 32 bits and max 4 ram bit is outdated, the rest of the description still applies

Gl with your GPU handling both at once though

[hollow shell]

What th

[quiet kernel]

Best terraria modded theme

[swift wharf]

crossmodding theme is gman radio

[hollow shell]

Where is there even to move him

Presumably earlier considering your reasoning

[blazing kettle]

ah yes

crab post-eye

but also you can say this for every optional boss

for example, replace crabulon with brimstone elemental abd the sugg would still be the same

[hollow shell]

I think this is more a matter of Boss Only Drops A Weapon Set And Therefore Has No Intrinsic Value problem

[blazing kettle]

arent some crab weapons actually kinda good

[hollow shell]

Doesn't really matter cuz they're just weapon number, like, 6 or 7, out of the available options for each class

(Balance is always changing so their current viability doesn't really mean anything)

What value does killing specifically Crabulon grant to the player, compared to other options they have for obtaining equipment?

[small timber]

crabulon is fought in a glowing mushroom biome (which is an easily fightable arena due to 1.4 world gen change), and glowing mushroom is also one of the major best early game biome (life crystal, golden chest and such)

it have a low amount of HP that even if it will be a grind you can easily kill it with like wooden bow + frostburn arrow (or even a flaregun)

its damage numbers are very very low so you can easily survive even without maxed max HP

and all of its moveset are easily fightable in a relatively enclosed area as long as you understand its moveset

tldr: crabulon is totally justifiable as a "harder version of king slime" and be fought basically as your first boss

personally I feel they just have to make crabulon's summon naturally spawning in glowing mushroom biome (in a similar fashion to Queen Slime with the Gelatin Crystal) to enforce the idea that you are supposed to fight this boss early; and of course in that case Crabulon's weapon and drops are amazing

[cobalt pewter]

Decapodita Sprout being grown like Gelatin Crystals sounds good actually

[crude geode]

.

[small timber]

a (good) weapon set + rage upgrade + fungal clump is often enough incentive for player to fight a boss especially an early one

the problem was that people tend to fight it like post-EOW or even post-Skeletron so of course its drop will be worthless in comparison

if the player fight crabulon as their 1st/2nd boss the weapons are way more than enough to last you until hellstone tier (and also fungal clump is just really good that early)

[crude geode]

.

[small timber]

then you should fight every boss with copper shortsword because weapon viability do not matter

that argument is valid when it providing an overpowered weapon is the only reason of existence (eg: if say atlantis is the only reason to fight leviathan), but in this case it is as simple as a weapon upgrades that you can get early on

unless they are intentionally nerfing crabulon weapon to pre-boss/worse than ore level then it providing weapon sets are a good enough reason for an early boss

sure you can give it more like gears, armors etc, but people will get enough of it in hardmode where you are extremely incentivized to beat boss -> mine ore -> beat boss in hardmode and post-ML

[crude geode]

Does early game not have enough shit already, even post boss with desert scourge drops/Amidias sells/sunken sea crafts

Crabulon is a weird spot but I’m just not sure if this is the solution I’d go for

[small timber]

hence the incentive of the suggestion is focus on fighting the boss early
crabulon provide weapons that are good enough to last you to hellstone tier
if you beat the boss you are good until post-eater of world/brain, as simple as that;

the argument of "because this boss drop weapons therefore another boss should not drop weapon" is so applicable to almost every single progression it is absurd

mech/mech alts, post-Plantera (aureus/leviathan,moons,dungeon), entire post-Golem, the entirety of post-moon lord with sentinels, even pre-HM like Queen Bee and Hivemind/perf; all of them fall under "because another boss around the tier give gear therefore this boss should not give gear or should be deleted/moved"; there is no place to "move" crabulon that will not result in the same issue if you see it as an issue

you do not always need a strong incentive of "OMG I must beat this boss to upgrade my gear so that I can beat the next boss" everytime; it will just be tiring to make it semi-mandatory to beat every single boss one by one, optional boss existing is fine

if you like the boss you can fight it, if you dislike it or think it is too hard obtain the gears somewhere else and they will also be viable

[cobalt pewter]

even if disregarding the tiering, the thematic tie-in to Decapodita Sprout being grown in Mushroom is very good tbh

[swift wharf]

ripper upgrade crying in the corner rn

[crude geode]

man I love differing opinions

[crude geode]

I would agree here tbfh

Disregarding the tiering crabulon needs more identification that it exists (similar to a few other calamity bosses)

So this solution works fine for that

(Astrum Aureus my beloathed)

Astrum Deus received the cool pillar thing and now Aureus is kinda just. use the lame chunk

Imagine if you could actually see it/ the spawns wandering around the biome or even just inactive at the base of the tree so you could actually feel like it’s part of the world

[cobalt pewter]

the Astral Chunk should be chucked as a tile somewhere in the altar structure because it'd be funny

[crude geode]

I’d prefer to throw the chunk at it’s face to enrage/activate it and start the fight

[frail mantle]

give it a Crystal Guardian-like spawn where you find it inactive somewhere and you have to hit it so it activates

[crude geode]

Yes

[swift wharf]

uninfected aureus...

calamity if it had an inert kind of astral infection where you would find a defective aureus that at the start of hardmode would just disappear mysteriously

[eternal escarp]

based suggestion

[small timber]

worse case scenario they can make it stackable (like WoF voodoo doll)

but yeah I imagine just make it like semi-rare and with a crafting recipe (similar to queen slime, though tbh for queen slime one it is a bit excessive)

or just make it so it require pickaxe so you cant randomly get it when firing your weapon

[cobalt pewter]

one can always limit its spawn

like Abigail's Flower

god

[cobalt pewter]

but for context: only 1 Abigail's Flower (tile) can spawn within a 100 (?) tile radius

actually lemme check wiki

[[tgc:Abigail's Flower]]

[red storm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Abigail's_Flower

[swift wharf]

make it a grab bag

[crude geode]

So true

[swift wharf]

or let it be crafted into mushrooms

idk

quirky summoning items

[crude geode]

This will surely alleviate it being a pain in the neck

[swift wharf]

[bright crag]

I think it's a good suggestion

I did suggest another type of "natural" spawning in the Dev server, a while ago

I'm glad to see it's not only my concern

[drowsy plank]

you know as much as we sort of clowned on the moving Crabulon in progression thing, putting him between Eater/Brain and Perfs/Hive Mind would help it feel a bit more like you actually geared up a bit for them, cause right now I typically just get the spawners for both and fight them kinda boss rush-y cause there's really no reason to waste time getting anything between them

like if you overprep a bit for Eater/Brain you can usually solo the Evil II boss immediately afterwards with no real issue

maybe shove deerclops in there too, who knows

[errant bobcat]

In my first playthru I just completely forgot about crabulon until after slime god, and at that point I could just face tank him and shotgun as ranger

Which, on that note, I like the point blank mechanic I just wish it was better implemented, and I realize that there have been various Suggs on that topic, especially involving the ammo box, which I agree with because it feels quite weak, especially in combination with Fargos mutant mod installed

Maybe using the ammo box could switch the point blank mechanic to a less powerful sniping mechanic and vice versa, similar to bloodthirsty and the other enchantment I forget the name of

[fervent orbit]

point blank isnt even based on range, but ticks, so some guns automatically have 50% dmg boost

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's a timer

not distance

[errant bobcat]

Ye it really should be changed

Do high velocity bullets get nerfed for that or no?

[fervent orbit]

its not even high velocity bullets

look at dragons breath with just normal bullets

[drowsy plank]

who cares if it feels weak with fargos installed

i mean the point is valid due to everything else but why even mention this

[grim tusk]

@tame mountain reasoning needs to be far stronger than “too easy”

[fervent orbit]

Hello, Shade.

where else can crabulon be moved to

if anything if you want crab to be better wouldnt you want crab to be stronger and not make it

pre boc/eow

prob shouldhve thought of it more

[drowsy plank]

fr i think i might sugg moving crab and deerclops to post Eater/Brain bc of what i mention about the Evil 2 bosses feeling kind of pointless

[fervent orbit]

deerclops to post boc/eow? why tho

[drowsy plank]

cause you already have bee and skele post evils 2

and pre Eater/Brain also has a ton of bosses

and there really is just nothing between them rn

[fervent orbit]

also wouldnt changing an entire boss to a different stage be a bit too much

[drowsy plank]

idk, we've made suggs about rav and gss before

[grim tusk]

Thats the thing, nowhere reasonable. And the sugg did not provide arguments as to where either.

[glass arch]

isnt rav being retiered eventually

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[grim tusk]

Yes but the sugg had good arguments, reasoning

[fervent orbit]

i read retiered as retired LMAO

[drowsy plank]

ravi is ded so sad

[frail mantle]

he's an old man give him a moment

[glass arch]

well i read retired as retiered so we're both confused now

[tame mountain]

fair enough

[small timber]

This is just my opinion but I always felt crabulon should be stronger (in stats and move set) and power level is around just pre/post-EoW/Brain

Main reason is because currently the adrenaline/rage upgrade bosses tend to be optional bosses that are stronger than other "mandatory" bosses on their progression (though tbf mostly only HM, dragonfolly is not super strong while polter is basically progression boss due to auric tesla)

So basically they serve as a optional "challenge boss" if you are to do them on tier to obtain ripper upgrades

(That said I always felt post-ML adrenaline upgrade should be on old duke instead of polter because of that but probably not gonna happen anytime soon)

[fervent orbit]

aureus

[grim tusk]

Like Rav made sense since he was connected to bloodstone already

But Crab?

Where do you even put it?

[serene tendon]

Because post-Skeletron his drops are useless

[serene tendon]

Ravager deserves death

[fervent orbit]

thats a problem with the items stats, not deerclops himself

if the items are the problem, just buff the items instead

[serene tendon]

fair

[fervent orbit]

houndius shootius just being ballista

[small timber]

Deerclops do not require high mobility to dodge (aka wings), only some double jump will do; it have a bloated hp bar for vanilla but for calamity really he is just meat so you dont really need strong weapon to fight it

[serene tendon]

Very true

[fervent orbit]

most of the pre hm bosses dont need high mobility

im just sitting here waiting for cogs suggestion tbh

[small timber]

Deerclops do not even require a single layer of platform

You just fight it on flat ground

[grim tusk]

Unlike in Vanilla DClops where its post-Skele on Cal it appears to be pre-skele

[small timber]

It is like the max of no mobility required (beside straight up no accessory)

And if it is post-skelly it will also mean you have to use its weapon on slime god and wof which I feel mechanically is a bit clunky

It being preskelly means its weapons can be used on more bosses that fit how the weapon perform more

[swift wharf]

it kinda already is no?

[small timber]

It also doesnt help that shadow and crimson (on non summoner and rogue) is just better than aerospec now

[drowsy plank]

tbf according to boss prog on the wiki/on boss checklist they aren't, and that's how they're balanced so its still worth discussing

[grim tusk]

Time to fix wiki after getting confirmation i guess

[swift wharf]

Honestly the entire progression needs a rework

[small timber]

Isnt boss rush order a better reference?

[swift wharf]

I'm still convinced that deerclops is post eye

[blazing kettle]

isnt deerclops meant to be post-evil bosses?

[swift wharf]

boss rush progression is just boss checklist progression

which is also wrong

[drowsy plank]

p much

[swift wharf]

progression purgatory

so if eye is pre evil boss

so deerclops is post eye pre evil boss because of boss summon

[drowsy plank]

deerclops is also preBoss because of boss summon if that's all that's required lmao

[swift wharf]

true but also

actually that is fair

[drowsy plank]

you can mind crim/demon with gold/plat pick

[swift wharf]

calamity checklist when

just put everything in the same point of progression

[drowsy plank]

technically slime god is preBoss bc you can bomb evil stone and blighted gel is Everywhere

[swift wharf]

like idk

t1 - eye, ks, ds, crab
t2 - deerclops, eater/brain
t3 - qb, hive/perf
t4 - skeletron, slime god

ez

[drowsy plank]

it's very funny how you can fight literally all of the bosses in preHardmode as soon as you start a world

[swift wharf]

or just bomb the entire thing and put all the bosses in the same tier because non linearity