suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

Rarely does vanilla delete things (except for old sprites)

And even then it gets turned into an ancient version

[fossil finch]

I guess there's not a lot of need for removals in vanilla, anyway

a mod, that may or may not have like 200 broadswords, would need so much more

[distant gyro]

the poo incident

[crude geode]

So the solution to all of cal’s problems is to just start anew

[fossil finch]

oh my god

:clueless:

it indeed kinda is

[sleek turret]

i mean

isn't it what is happening right now

[crude geode]

No

[distant gyro]

add yermes and call it the last update

[fossil finch]

not at all

[distant gyro]

and then pull a relogic and not stop

[fossil finch]

i do not see calamity removing literally everything

and readding stuff in order of ingame progression

[crude geode]

Just because cal lost a few devs doesn’t mean it’s throwing away everything lol

[fossil finch]

without the burden of all the mechanics or modes or items

[sleek turret]

Kill the items.

[fossil finch]

It's just lost the specific concepts for Future Stuff They're Doing Anyway Just Differently

[hollow shell]

If anything them losing those devs makes it less likely for them to do that
Cuz the devs they lost were the ones that were gunning so hard for sweeping changes
The remaining team is "traditionalists"

[fossil finch]

damn rover

[crude geode]

I should have expected as much, knowing a bit about the old devs

(Such as pixl’s ideas for a more grand mage rework)

[fossil finch]

i am struggling very hard to not make jokes about rover referring to current dev team as traditionalists

[distant gyro]

[hollow shell]

They're all CONSERVATIVES

[fossil finch]

true

[distant gyro]

the politics

[hollow shell]

ALT-RIGHT DEV TEAM

[sleek turret]

political complot Calamity

[fossil finch]

suddenly calamity was actually country

the left party got assasinated in a complot

[sleek turret]

22 bullet theory

[fossil finch]

or wahtevet actually i dont know politics do i look like i do

anyway

it is very funny

[hollow shell]

anyway

[drowsy plank]

the 22 devcident was actually a political coup

[hollow shell]

Is it still a coup when it's committed by the powers that be in order to remain in power

[drowsy plank]

probably

[hollow shell]

anyway yeah I think it's my obligation as a moderator to ironically suppress this conversation now

[distant gyro]

i mean is cereal a soup

[drowsy plank]

so defense or something, yeah?

[half imp]

7.5, defense is only half effective on enemies (or players in Classic mode)

[distant gyro]

(don't answer that, go back to real discussion)

[fossil finch]

the real discussion was about nerd stats thats sad

not wulfrum drill

you monster

[distant gyro]

there is no pickaxe

[half imp]

nerd stats? I'm interested

[distant gyro]

it's a drill

[sleek turret]

FUCK

[distant gyro]

bohungus

[hollow shell]

Also it has +1 range and is the only pre-Hardmode drill

[distant gyro]

marnite:

[crude geode]

I see we’ve gone from give them unique gimmicks to kill

[half imp]

i mean... being a drill isn't an advantage

[hollow shell]

Okay I forgot about Marnite Obliterator cuz it's like a weird

Okay not the only PreHM drill but one of two PreHM drills

[fossil finch]

cursed i thought we were constantly jumping between the two

[half imp]

but yeah its nice variety

[sleek turret]

yeah personality change from 2022 "hey give those cool and good gimmick" to "Kill the items."

[half imp]

although it could be cool to give it some wulfrum mechanic

like consuming scrap on right click to mine faster

[hollow shell]

Marnite Ob isn't really meant for common mining anyway
Huge range slow speed, building intended

[half imp]

or something

[drowsy plank]

didnt fishing rod gimmick just get rejected anyway

i thought "funny drill" was the gimmick

[glass arch]

yeah

[sleek turret]

It did + iban said that those were going to get removed but they eventually forgot I think

[glass arch]

the last rework sugg for them didnt make it

[distant gyro]

the gimmick is that it's supposed to die

[drowsy plank]

woah

[crude geode]

so true

[drowsy plank]

crazy

[sleek turret]

so i just said rewrite the sugg and make a sugg to remove the item instead

[swift wharf]

wdym personality changes

i want them all gone

[drowsy plank]

giving everything a gimmick is harder than removing that which is unnecessary

[sleek turret]

that's a You (🫵) problem

[swift wharf]

terra items ⚡

[hollow shell]

I wonder what large significant event could have led to that change in attitude- fuck I'm bad at this suppression thing

[drowsy plank]

lol

[sleek turret]

uhh none?

[hollow shell]

Nothing happened in December of 2022

[fossil finch]

nothing that could have impacted the hypothetical quality of item reworks specifically

absolutely nothing

[swift wharf]

tbf

the reworks would've taken like

2 years

(minimum)

[sleek turret]

no i seriously picked calamity to play one day and said "yeah they could rework the items" but after what iban said then I decided to eventually make a suggestion to remove the items

[fossil finch]

imeanthatsaboutwulfrumspeficially

[crude geode]

Not if we had overthrown the conservative devs 😤

[swift wharf]

we could rework terra flameburster
we could
but we wont : )

i will make sure of it : )

[hollow shell]

anyway I need to go eat You behave

[distant gyro]

iirc ozz hold a monopoly over flamethrower reworks

[fossil finch]

flamethrowers are cringe anyway

[distant gyro]

for 1.4.4

[fossil finch]

when is ozz holding a monopoly over reworking supernov

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or remove the classless 'Resident Evil' Guns]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

months ago

[crude geode]

Whoops

[glass arch]

[sleek turret]

Since we are in the Removal discussion

[glass arch]

wait wasnt that already done

[crude geode]

It’s only been in changelogs for like. a month

[distant gyro]

because hydra reworking into ranged is recent

and that's the change that actually completes the suggestion

[drowsy plank]

-free bird guitar solo-

[distant gyro]

the 6th weapon

[glass arch]

oooooo

[crude geode]

Yeeees

What should be removed

[glass arch]

uhhhhhh

golden gun

[sleek turret]

Idk I don't play Calamity anymore

[crude geode]

So true

[sleek turret]

just vibin' with anything else than Calamity for God's sake

[crude geode]

I love r/AnarchyChess

[glass arch]

r/AnarchyChess is funny

[half imp]

don't remove golden gun noo

[crude geode]

So true

Thorium is funny bc it’s like. as old as calamity

Yet you don’t see nearly as much discussion about it’s problems (iirc)

[glass arch]

hmmmm should i play thorium + calamity + souls dlc

[fossil finch]

you probably do

[distant gyro]

this is true

[drowsy plank]

golden gun post golem besty's wrath inflictor so we can ignore betsy harder

[distant gyro]

thorium and vanilla are closely intertwined

even in the community mindset

[crude geode]

Thorium tries a lot harder to be more. casual

[fossil finch]

it just kinda keeps itself grounded at a lesser quality standard
never funny sprites and always meant to be like vanilla much more than calamity or other mods

so its just

[distant gyro]

their approach is small and humble

[crude geode]

Indeed

[sleek turret]

yeah i can see thorium being more casual and actually giving some variety to some subclasses

[fossil finch]

vanilla! plus! like the time minecraft mods just copy pasted vanilla content but at least here it works more because of the different classes and the fact stuff doesn't just overlap with other content as much

[distant gyro]

calamity struggles to turn out this way because the inherent competitive mindset of the other side of the modding community

[sleek turret]

even if they are small donor items they're pretty good

[distant gyro]

there needs to be holes poked into everything

[fossil finch]

make donors toggeable i think

thorium has it

fargo has it

[distant gyro]

strife for perfection, the perfect, best mod

[frail mantle]

this is so sad guys can we detonate the modded terraria community

[crude geode]

So true

[distant gyro]

the endless growing reach for standards

[frail mantle]

actually just detonate terraria in general

true ending

[crude geode]

Please

[frail mantle]

we're finally Free

[distant gyro]

each new shader discover has to spread to every mod because it's decidedly new and better graphics, now every mod needs rtx on

[crude geode]

I will kill redigit myself if it means the end of terraria updates

[crude geode]

What about subworlds?

[distant gyro]

that too

4d effects, subworlds

[fossil finch]

subworlds are funny

[crude geode]

Do subworlds even work in multiplayer yet

[sleek turret]

every mod has to have functional subworlds in which there's subworlds inside the subworlds with rtx ON

[fossil finch]

Pinky mod is still out there

[fossil finch]

No one cares

[sleek turret]

Still Alive after all

[crude geode]

Can we kill some of the terra equivalents like thorium did

[distant gyro]

hard ask

[crude geode]

How necessary are they for dumb crafting trees down the line

[half imp]

I think they're all used for at least one item

[sleek turret]

afaik they are used for like 2 items

one of them is terra ray

[half imp]

most of them that's the elemental <insert item type here>

[sleek turret]

smh ..., Just put Living Shards into Recipes for elemental items... /s

[dreamy portal]

Hi guys, one question. What is this for?

[fossil finch]

all of them are necessary for down the lines

That's a lore item

it has no purpose

it just tells you things about the thing you just killed from the point of view of yharim who is the main antagonist of the mod

no, he is not in the mod yet

yes, he will be in the mod as a boss in the future

[swift wharf]

we need to kill 80% of the recipes

[fossil finch]

its true

[glass arch]

@tranquil echo dont use an external mod as reasoning for a suggestion

[tranquil echo]

💀

[hollow shell]

m

LuiAFK is in fact not Calamity and we shouldn't balance around it

[tranquil echo]

bro any1 that looked up calamity mod once in yt, saw it....but alright sorry

[hollow shell]

There's a lotta wack shit in LuiAFK

[tranquil echo]

aint gonna wack around with a staff

[small timber]

The mention of luiafk is incredibly unnecessary

Like, it is bad regardless of luiafk

[glass arch]

what even is the set bonus

[small timber]

It is bad by calamity standard since they adjusted a lot of things, especially conpare to ore armors

20% ammo consumption iirc

[glass arch]

wow yeah thats pretty bad

[blazing kettle]

destroyer when it sees me with infinite holy arrows/stars

[small timber]

13 defense, 5% damage 8% crit (ranged), 20 ammo consumption

[glass arch]

especially considering a single potion has almost the same effect (unless thats been changed in cal)

[blazing kettle]

also what about desert prowler armor

[tranquil echo]

what is that- lemme see that

[glass arch]

it looks pretty good

[tranquil echo]

ah

[glass arch]

doesnt seem amazing but better than fossil armor

[blazing kettle]

its ranger armor that can be obtained at the same time as fossil

[tranquil echo]

yea

and it is less time consuming

[small timber]

No fossil is way worse because you have to go through extractinator and mining fossils (a lot of.them)

[tranquil echo]

thats what I understood what they meant-

[glass arch]

i wonder what YharimTheJungleTyrant is typing

[tranquil echo]

lol

[glass arch]

throwing my bet in rn, gonna be an SIS

[small timber]

Add the yharim boss with these exact attack, move sets and mechanic

[swift wharf]

what does luiafk even have to do with fossil

[glass arch]

it has unlimited ammo

[swift wharf]

so

what is the correlation

[tranquil echo]

yo, I got a rq question. I found an item(a head-piece of some kind of armor) that has like no description.... like it doesnt even show up the pop-up box, where it should say something, is that a bug?

[blazing kettle]

luiafk wasnt balanced around cakamity? shocker

[glass arch]

part of fossils set bonus is 20% decreased ammo consumption

[blazing kettle]

or vise versa

[swift wharf]

i see

[small timber]

Print screen it? Otherwise no one will know what you are talking about

[swift wharf]

i mean that is like

[small timber]

Though chances are it is a luiafk bug

[swift wharf]

5 other sets

also new suggestion formatting dropped....

[tranquil echo]

alright, ima do

lemme find the world and item

gonna take a while

got about 70 chests to look thru

[small timber]

You used luiafk but not magic storage?

[swift wharf]

it is better to not ask questions

[swift wharf]

i am terrified

[tranquil echo]

I am new to this, okay?????!!!

I have like 100 hours by now, 50 when last checked, but I only watched 1 video 10 seconds, for like 1-2 extra mods to use

[hollow shell]

(tbf Magic Storage was a bit buggy on its 1.4 release so my first Calamity pt in 1.4 did not use it. It almost removed my stored items from existence)

[swift wharf]

it's a feature

[hollow shell]

(also I can't remember if it was definitively concluded as the reason for a bunch of miscellaneous Calamity generation bugs)

But yeah overall if the bugs are fixed
huge recommend to Magic Storage

Going back to chest management made me want to tear off my skin

[small timber]

But yeah, I think at the end the suggestion just have to:

• delete the part about luiafk (it is unnecessary,the item is garbage regardless of luiafk, probably even worse without luiafk because it make acquiring the item easier)
• stat comparison with other armor set that are easier to get and are stronger (just give like platinum armor stats)

[swift wharf]

terraria needs a better chest interface

[tranquil echo]

oh for gods sake, I deleted that one world, the item was in, cause I had too many worlds....

[swift wharf]

it's a balance suggestion

[tranquil echo]

well, I geuess that item doesnt matter anymore lol

[swift wharf]

just go to the balancing thread

[hollow shell]

True yeah I suppose it is a balancing suggestion

The balancing thread: #1042197406776827914 message

[swift wharf]

it does say "BUFF"

so idk maybe it is

[cobalt pewter]

6 is rookie number, try 11

[ruby plover]

Oh ew luiafk

Every calamity player uses lui

[cobalt pewter]

god

[blazing kettle]

the only reason players should use luiafk is for arena building

[glass arch]

i didnt use it until like 2 pts ago

still barely use it

[swift wharf]

i wonder if lui envisioned his mod becoming the most famous terraria mod

[cobalt pewter]

I have never used it since 1.4 port on everything happened

[hollow shell]

I used to use it but then it didn't get ported to 1.4 so I stopped
And other QoL mods picked up its slack, most notably Fargo's

[glass arch]

yeah fargos does almost the same stuff

[cobalt pewter]

fargo's is spearheading the QoL Business yea

[hollow shell]

I think LuiAFK has a fan-made port now though

[swift wharf]

the 1.4 port is not official yea

[tranquil echo]

I revamped that damn suggestion, so its not holding any comparisations with other mods

[swift wharf]

not the real luiafk...

[cobalt pewter]

you can say

it's an impostor

[swift wharf]

refer to this

[swift wharf]

I will make you fight Thanatos

[cobalt pewter]

[glass arch]

im honestly kinda scared as to what YharimTheJungleTyrant is typing now

[small timber]

*Thanatos but it just dont shoot laser and only move towards you

[hollow shell]

The sugg is indeed better now

[swift wharf]

🔥 🖋️

[tranquil echo]

thanks

ngl, you are better than the last moderator I've seen in discord

[cobalt pewter]

oh god

[hollow shell]

It could stay if you want to, only reason balance suggs are disallowed/discouraged is because of their inefficiency
You could make the same request in #1042197406776827914 and potentially have the issue taken care of quicker

[glass arch]

how much we wanna bet the sugg thats being typed rn is gonna be an SIS

[hollow shell]

[tranquil echo]

last one was simping over fat chubby ears

[glass arch]

yup

i was right

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that last one is insanely

[hollow shell]

Wow it was almost exactly what you predicted lmao

[cobalt pewter]

❗ material

[swift wharf]

werejulfrum.....

estoy chillando

[glass arch]

@glossy dragon lmao what and also formatting

[hollow shell]

@glossy dragon Boss suggestions are not allowed. Specific execution suggestions are not allowed. See the Don'ts Doc in the pins

[tranquil echo]

....yo, I am HELLA bored, @glossy dragon I will copy your suggestion, and make it readable and post it in suggestions

[swift wharf]

surely that will work

surely

[hollow shell]

You cannot do that

[small timber]

Woah except for not yharim I was pretty close

[tranquil echo]

why not?!

[hollow shell]

It is conceptually not allowed, it's not just an issue with the formatting

[glass arch]

because this

[small timber]

If the mod have to add every boss ever suggested you will have 10000000 bosses

[hollow shell]

Yes the reason why boss suggestions are not allowed is because every Calamity player and their grandma has their own original idea for a cool new boss to add

And they are MASSIVE suggs in scope, we would never implement something as major as a boss from a community suggestion

And we have so many bosses already, Calamity's pacing is already suffering from it in their current numbers..

[tranquil echo]

tbh, bosses are not needed, rather maybe about 1-3 MAX pre-hardmode mini bosses

[glass arch]

also theres refighting in there which is another no

[swift wharf]

boss scaling....

[blazing kettle]

why do people make boss suggestions confident thst they might get accepted

[swift wharf]

it's a child

[blazing kettle]

theres a LOT that goes into a boss

aye okay

[small timber]

King slime

[fossil finch]

I call it

The WereWulfrum

[hollow shell]

This is probably why

(frankly I expected them to be newer)

[swift wharf]

one of the most brilliant minds of our generation

[fossil finch]

(Werewulf wouldve been a better name

[tranquil echo]

pov: You afk for 5 seconds
🪦 🪦 🪦 🪦 🪦 🪦

[fossil finch]

This boss was designed by Terry, the mastermind behind the mutant

[swift wharf]

so sad he died to the antlion queen

[tardy geyser]

I call it... The FogBound

[blazing kettle]

what was fogbound?

[swift wharf]

do not

[glass arch]

theres so many Don't's in this suggestion lmao

[tranquil echo]

what suggestion

oh yes

[fossil finch]

The fogbound was a boss suggestion by a interesting user that became memed very quickly due to being basically a copypasta

[tranquil echo]

guys, I am trying to kill wof with a mini shark and a light saber, any suggestions?

[drowsy plank]

mmm foggy...

[fossil finch]

Yes, going to #help-advice-read-pins

[tranquil echo]

lol

[fossil finch]

This is to suggest things to the mod

[glass arch]

boss sugg, item sugg, refights, and sprite sugg

[blazing kettle]

i did not read it

what did they say about the sprite

[fossil finch]

only the former two are actual donts

There's technically no refight sugg and the sprite sugg applies to asking for resprites while only giving the "its bad" reason

[swift wharf]

refight kinda fits into progression scaling

[tranquil echo]

aight, time to close discord again, to play terraria with more fps

[glass arch]

starts out as light green and gets small tweaks per refight

[fossil finch]

not to give a resprite to thing

[blazing kettle]

ah

[fossil finch]

that's not a dont

Xd

Refight does count in scaling

[swift wharf]

but ig item scaling is allowed now

[blazing kettle]

blushiemod moment? spirit of purity moment?

[fossil finch]

But I'm not sure the scaling sugg applies to bosses or enemies?

[glass arch]

oh well theres reference things in there just because

also there is so much bad grammar in there

[drowsy plank]

wait

[bright crag]

https://tenor.com/view/trolled-complete-cade-hq-returing-gif-23208812

[drowsy plank]

wait a minute

[swift wharf]

I'm more concerned about why a werewolf

[drowsy plank]

didnt this exact sugg get posted like two months ago

[bright crag]

(I doubt this is a serious suggestion tbh)

[blazing kettle]

a wulfrum werewolf

[fossil finch]

Idk did it

[swift wharf]

i mean the guy joined in november

[drowsy plank]

i feel like i remember it lmfao

[hollow shell]

wait this is inaccurate, join log shows them joining just today, only an hour ago

Weird

[swift wharf]

guh

[glass arch]

they might have left and rejoined

[swift wharf]

it is their only message

[blazing kettle]

whats with people wanting wulfrum to be signifigant lore wise?

[hollow shell]

I don't see any other join logs from them other than the one from today

[swift wharf]

because we clearly need wulfrum lore

[glass arch]

haha funny robots go brrt

[fossil finch]

Anyways we should seek adding the fogbound to calamity now

[blazing kettle]

draedon...

[fossil finch]

Would make for better content than dog

[bright crag]

Fogbound is Noxus

[swift wharf]

everyone talks about john wulfrum but not Jeremy "Onyx" Elbertson

[frosty trellis]

(It's been fixed for a long time)

[bright crag]

🤫

[blazing kettle]

add andromeda!!!!!

[fossil finch]

ec don't make one up now

Its too late

Investement is gone

[hollow shell]

(and even so
Leaving and rejoining the server updates the stat on your profile
See: my profile, shows me joining in July of 2022, but I actually first joined in late 2017, cuz at one point I had left and rejoined the server)

[hollow shell]

Alright that's great to hear

[frosty trellis]

Yeeee

[obsidian heron]

i call it..... the werewulfrum....

[glass arch]

someone should make this on fandom

[blazing kettle]

then he werewulfrummed all over the place

[hollow shell]

Fandom wiki already has two wulfrum bosses on it

[blazing kettle]

replace one lolmao

[frosty trellis]

Third one's the charm

[glass arch]

well a third one cant hurt

[blazing kettle]

i dont think anyone was convinced the inventors was real

[glass arch]

mmmm quite a few have been

[obsidian heron]

not enough we need more

[arctic terrace]

oh someone was

[blazing kettle]

and they are just the wulfrum arkor sprites

people were far more fooled by excavator

[cobalt otter]

Woah John wulfrum????

Real????

[glass arch]

people thought derrelect was real, same with polyphemalus, so i dont think its too odd for them to be fooled by the inventors

[cobalt otter]

Ultrakill???

John wulfrum is pinos irl

[arctic terrace]

kek

[cobalt otter]

Real

[hybrid steeple]

this werewulfrum sounds very spooky
Demented, Demonic, hellish, and evil, even

[blazing kettle]

yes but te inventors are literllallyvthe armor sprites

werewulfrum stands out

abd people like evil and edgy names like jared or werewulfrum

[glass arch]

id probably just call it WereWulf instead of WereWulfrum

[hybrid steeple]

distant cousin of the FogBound

[glass arch]

WereWulfrum could just be a funny thing in a trivia section

[cobalt otter]

Does anyone know the wulfrum mothership

From calamity reign of yharim

[glass arch]

yeah ive heard of it

[cobalt otter]

Yeah it seems alright

Anything better than another worm

Wulfrum excavator piss off

[glossy dragon]

@hollow shell Thanks, I'm not so great a keeping things brief

[obsidian heron]

what does 🗜️ mean

[small timber]

invalid suggestion formatting that will cause the bot to be unable to send the suggestion to #suggestions-voting

[glossy dragon]

@glossy dragon wait that's the wrong person

[hollow shell]

wew

[small timber]

to avoid it you just have to separate your Title and your Body of the suggestion
Eg:

[Title]
(Space + Enter)
[Body]

[tranquil echo]

Bro... they need to nerf that spawn increase of that stupid clam boss, cause if you fight it while in a blood moon underground OUTSIDE of the actual area, and your pc is bad... well I just crashed..... so uh

[small timber]

turn off death mode

[tranquil echo]

Naaaa

[glass arch]

well then thats a you problem

bc the clamity debuff turns every spawn into a clam spawn and death mode blood moons are known for having a hell of a lot of enemies

[glossy dragon]

I have edited my suggestion accordingly but it may still have some flaws. Can someone check to see if it follows the guidelines now.

[tranquil echo]

But why do they multiply and not add with eachother, like 2 + 2 and not 2x 2- wait

[glass arch]

what

[tranquil echo]

Lol

Pun intended

[small timber]

I dont think it is a valid suggestion just because it is askign to add something specific with very specific in what way/mechanic it works

[tranquil echo]

Anyways

I guess I shouldnt fight the clam again

[hollow shell]

Also I have no idea how adding a Wulfrum-themed miniboss will give more use to the Wulfrum items??

[small timber]

and the reason is also kinda lackluster: if the wulfrum items are bad, why do they need to add an enemy instead of just make the items better, without having to add a new enemy

[swift wharf]

specific enemy suggestion

ses

anyways wulfrum is good enough

you can't fix inexistent problems

[small timber]

wulfrum weapons is kinda shit (their DPS is way worse than other items you get on tier), but the others are pretty ok

[swift wharf]

tbf they're p much your first items

[small timber]

they are probably worse than ore broadsword is what I mean

[glossy dragon]

@small timber my reasoning was actually supposed to follow the lines of I really like the new wulfrum items and having them just as early game weapons seemed like a waste so I wanted to suggest a way that they could be upgraded

[swift wharf]

and not everything needs an use later

for fucks sake

it's an early game set

let it be early game

[small timber]

they dont have to be explicitly 'upgraded' (because then they will have to do new sprites and so on otherwise it is not an upgrade)

[swift wharf]

💥

[glass arch]

well you could just go into #1042197406776827914 and suggest a buff instead of an upgrade

[small timber]

they can just improve the baseline item

[hollow shell]

If your problem is that the Wulfrum items have no upgrades, then just suggest that they be given upgrades
You don't need to do it via this weird miniboss middle-man

[swift wharf]

why can't people just enjoy stuff on tier..........

[blazing kettle]

vanity slots exist

[swift wharf]

just add other cool stuff instead of upgrading the current cool stuff

🫰

[glossy dragon]

@blazing kettle I meant the weapons and their mechanics

[small timber]

tldr if wulfrum screwdriver is too weak, just buff wulfrum screwdriver, make it have higher damage; instead of like "kill a super mega wulfrum miniboss to upgrade your wulfrum screwdriver into wulfrum super mega drills shooter" or something

[blazing kettle]

i think they are good enough as is

and it leaves a lasting impression on new players on whats possible with mods

[glossy dragon]

@swift wharf 8 can't enjoy it on tier because you use it to fight like 1 boss and then you never get another weapon like them specifically the screwdriver and blunderbuss

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure literally every item has a mechanically identical counterpart later down the line

[glossy dragon]

@drowsy plank ???

[swift wharf]

You're not supposed to use them later..........

[glass arch]

yeah weapons arent meant to be viable the whole game

hell, a good chunk of weapons are barely viable on tier

[small timber]

and pre-boss weapon are supposed to last you to around Eye of Cthulhu, because there is little to no upgrades in between

[swift wharf]

leave wulfrum as it is (ofc balancing it is perfectly ok)

add other cool stuff for sets that desperately need it

[blazing kettle]

the only one i can think of thats wholey unique is the hook

[swift wharf]

it is that shrimple

[small timber]

so the fact that they are only viable to like king slime means these weapons are too weak

[drowsy plank]

pretty much but also there's nothing stopping you from using it still lmao

[small timber]

they dont have to be "upgraded", they are just too weak to begin with

[swift wharf]

aerealite, statigel, deadalus could always use some work

instead of adding upgrades to wulfrum

[drowsy plank]

i guess screwdriver's screw is... different?? but also... why would you want an upgrade to it. it's already kind of unruly atm lmfao

[glossy dragon]

@swift wharf I understand but they are very fun to use and if I just ask for them to be buffed then they aren't really starting items anymore but with upgrades you can get weapons that feel similar but not exactly the same

[swift wharf]

They're scrap items

they're made to not be upgraded

the one time lore works in my favor

[blazing kettle]

do aerialite wings have good horizontal speed?

[cobalt pewter]

tell that to Terraria

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[drowsy plank]

6.25... lemme see what other wings are like...

[glass arch]

wulfrum items are an in-between for when you dont want to use a copper shortsword but dont have access to many boss drops

[swift wharf]

in a perfect world we would rework the boring stuff

in a perfect world

[small timber]

wulfrum are explicitly designed to be an early game material, used against early game enemies, they are easy to get and effective against early enemies and thats it; which is why wulfrum enemies have their spawnrate decreased in Hardmode; they are basically specifically niche for 1 purpose (aka early game)

[drowsy plank]

they're fine comparatively to other wings. nothing special

[small timber]

not everything have to get 10 upgrades throughout the game to scale them to the end game, in fact the mod is deleting a lot of these

if wulfrum stuffs are not good enough even for early bosses, then they simply just have to be buffed so that they are viable; they dont have to get upgrades to do that

[drowsy plank]

wulfrum scaffold and digging turtles are okay too for a while

[swift wharf]

scaffold is good until ice rod

[drowsy plank]

p much

[cobalt pewter]

scaffold are basically tools

[glass arch]

and acrobatics pack is useable with any hook and is great for super fast fast travel in hardmode

[blazing kettle]

i feel aerialite wings could be potentially better with a horizontal speed buff, like it can go faster than your boots but you have to be gliding to get the boost

[cobalt pewter]

digging turtles are pretty cheap until you can afford collecting Scarab Bombs ig

[sleek turret]

digging turtles is desert bomb item but not instantenous and can explode to damage enemies

yeah scarab bombs

[blazing kettle]

concept might be better on fledgling wings actually

[drowsy plank]

yeah im saying wulfrum already has a longer persistent use even outside of early game, the weapons dont need to muddle that presence

[swift wharf]

there is also the metal detector which is p good too

[cobalt pewter]

Metal Detector is straight up better than fucking Spelunker potion

[swift wharf]

well you see but you gotta upgrade wulfrum screwdriver into the draedon phillips multitool swiss knife

[drowsy plank]

wulfrum and marnite are mostly building sets outside of exactly preBoss

[cobalt pewter]

better highlighting and far cheaper

[drowsy plank]

add that to fandom wiki

[small timber]

I mean there is not much reason for aerialite wing to be stronger than fledgling other than higher flight time (which it already has)

[swift wharf]

on it

[cobalt pewter]

the only downside is that it's not a constant highlight

[small timber]

the whole benefit of aerialite wing is the fact that it is a pre-Hardmode wing, 1 out of 2 in fact

[cobalt pewter]

but the upsides outweigh it

[glossy dragon]

Okay then do you think that it would be acceptable to ask for the blunderbuss with other types of scrap from later in the game stuff like idk storm wear armor plates and it does significantly increased damage or something

[swift wharf]

hoping that aerospec still gets a rework

no

[glossy dragon]

I am not fast at typing

[swift wharf]

and weaver drops like 5 plates

[cobalt pewter]

no

[small timber]

calamity is explicitly deleting a lot of scaling items

[cobalt pewter]

just

stop

[swift wharf]

please read the pins

[drowsy plank]

have you tried using a coin gun

[glass arch]

these upgrades do effectively nothing except let you use a weapon longer which is not necessary

[drowsy plank]

calamity adds like 3 of them

[hollow shell]

me when I see a mechanically interesting item that doesn't let me just hold LMB on the enemy

[small timber]

the only problem with wulfrum screwdriver is just the RMB (?) throw screw -> hit screw mechanic deals less damage than musket

[blazing kettle]

true, i was just thinking maybe the glide on a pair of wings could be potentially faster horizontally than boots, but you have to sacrifice the ability to fly or jump ing

[small timber]

but yeah wulfrum weapons are generally a bit weak currently

[drowsy plank]

hey look i love midas prime, but ive tried screwdrive and it's just... not great

[hollow shell]

Also huh???? The Wulfrum items??

[frosty trellis]

Rly? All of them?

[small timber]

I mean gliding is already pretty fast, and you have the benefit of not having to horizontally align to bosses (can help with like Queen Bee if you havent fought it, help with Sime Gods because one of the projectile is horizontal, and definitely WoF)

[frosty trellis]

The mage one seemed pretty decent to me and is useful for trying to get an early demon scythe + actually hit eye reliably

[small timber]

not sure, but I think most of them are pretty weak with few exception

[frosty trellis]

The wulfrum drones are great bc of the healing

[small timber]

I know wulfrum screwdriver and blunderbuss is just weak, that is the very least I know

[frosty trellis]

Screwdriver sucks

Blunderbuss idk about

[swift wharf]

blunderbuss is decent

[frosty trellis]

Wulfrum Knives are cool

[swift wharf]

not as good as the musket but it's to be expected

[drowsy plank]

id still take a boomstick over a blunderbuss any day of the week lmao

[glossy dragon]

Alright well I can't say I didn't try something so I guess I'll just go suggest that they increase the dps of wulfrum weapons, add more ap have drones count for half a summon slot larger window for hitting the screws and letting the player throw them out more often etc does any of this sound fine?

[swift wharf]

boomstick is also really strong yes

[drowsy plank]

why not just asked for wulfrum to get buffed damage in #1042197406776827914

[swift wharf]

because pins weren't checked

[drowsy plank]

real

[swift wharf]

(:

[frosty trellis]

Do NOT Give random weapons AP

[blazing kettle]

whats AP?

[frosty trellis]

Armor Pen

[glossy dragon]

@drowsy plank I just tried here first

[swift wharf]

i WILL give random weapons ap

[blazing kettle]

oh

yeah no

[drowsy plank]

maybe read the pins first

[glossy dragon]

@frosty trellis it already has ap just not enough to be significant

[small timber]

let me see if I still have that gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/859804429536198676.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[drowsy plank]

lmao i still love this shit

[small timber]

(fuck discord update make it inaccurate now)

[drowsy plank]

you clearly dont know a lot about how many issues armor piercing causes

[glass arch]

ap excels on fast firing weapons

[small timber]

when they fix armor pen bug it will be a lot more fine I guess

[frosty trellis]

The drone doesn't have AP though?

[small timber]

but yeah there is close to no reason to not just buff the item's base damage than giving it armor pen; the only reason I can think of is to make the item scale less with armor pen (because you already have some)

[glossy dragon]

@drowsy plank it has a whopping 3 ap...it's not game breaking just like bring up to 5 or something

[frosty trellis]

YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED

[drowsy plank]

^

[glossy dragon]

@frosty trellis no it doesn't

[frosty trellis]

Yes

It does

I know

From experience

[glossy dragon]

I meant the drone doesn't have ap

[frosty trellis]

Sand Shark Tooth Necklace turns serpentine from a weapon that can't touch golem to killing cultists reliably

[drowsy plank]

the mech suit has AP

[small timber]

I think localarmorpen (eg: weapon specific) is like, fine (but why not just buff base damage)

[frosty trellis]

Mech suit has 10 ap according to the wiki

[small timber]

it is when it is globalarmorpen (eg: sharpening station, shark tooth necklace) when it is not fine

[glass arch]

RTN can vary a weapons killtime from 10 seconds less to a full minute less or smth

[frosty trellis]

2 seconds to 2 minutes*

And that's not even a joke

[small timber]

because for local you can just balance the weapon around having armor pen, in fact it will probably be more balance since the weapon already have some armor pen to "counteract" having more armor pen

[frosty trellis]

Just look at Phoenix Flame Barrage

[glossy dragon]

Look guys I'm sorry for all the trouble I've stirred up but if I'm being honest despite having discord for awhile I don't use it that often. I didn't not read the pins, because I didn't want to I didn't read them because I legitimately didn't know that was a thing. Also in case you haven't realized my grammar is terrible.

[half imp]

isn't that 10 ap

10 ap is +5 damage

ofc that's broken on serpentine

[glass arch]

on any fast firing weapon its broken

[glossy dragon]

@small timber because ap can't get boosted by a percent though now that I think about it the best method to deal with the problem would be to ask them to make wulfrum scrap have damage like other ammo so then it can't be boosted by early game equipment and potentially unbalance the weapon though for the other weapons, another solution will have to made.

[glass arch]

just buff the weapons directly

thats a much easier way than all these roundabout ways of doing so

plus

wulfrum scrap is used by a solid one weapon

[glossy dragon]

Sorry I just really like having a second opinion so I don't do something stupider than normal

[small timber]

yeah if like wulfrum scrap is used by only 1 weapon then they can just buff the weapon

it is the same reason why gold coins do not have base damage on themselves: coin gun themselves have the scaling not the coins

[glass arch]

the only other weapons that act like that were the RE guns and most are being removed and hydra is being reworked into a normal ranged wep

[small timber]

also I just realise pickspeed only increase pickaxe's speed but not drills from testing

it is a complete scam to use drills

[distant gyro]

that has always been why drills are generally looked over

also mining speed has a vanilla cap which kinda sucks but also irrelevant

[small timber]

yeah the mining speed cap is very high iirc?

like 100%?

[distant gyro]

something like 75 or 100

[hollow shell]

Very concise and clear video

I noticed that the drill was faster in the first demonstration though which is interesting

[small timber]

drill has faster base speed than pickaxe yeah (it was its main point since it have shorter range than pickaxe)

[distant gyro]

yes

this is what vanilla has balanced itself around

drills are faster without speed boosts, pickaxes are faster with speed boosts

[hollow shell]

That seems like it may be an intended dynamic then

Yeah, that second bullet point is exactly what I was gonna mention

[small timber]

(though even with just a mining potion pickaxe just become faster, so really like, there is no point in using drills)

I always thought the tradeoff should be range vs speed since drills basically have 1 block range

[hollow shell]

Drills are more "just pick up and use"

No need to spec into anything, they'll be faster than base pickaxes

[cobalt pewter]

which is

kinda moot to me for 1.4.4 since you can just fill up a loadout slot almost exclusively for mining and in the end you'd just need to swap between that and other loadouts to instantly toggle the mining speed bonuses (for the most part)

[crude geode]

yes it is

[distant gyro]

yeah

[small timber]

I think the most ironic part is just mining potion to be honest

[cobalt pewter]

a single-time setup and you'd eliminate 75% of the intended dynamic

[distant gyro]

I think even vanilla players are well aware that drills are still inferior most of the time

[small timber]

since with just 1 potion you are already faster than drill

[crude geode]

^

[cobalt pewter]

drills should just do a scarab bomb

[small timber]

or like mine multiple blocks similar to shovel

[crude geode]

mining potions being extremely easy to make and find kills drills

[small timber]

(and you can buy it in calamity)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that's what I meant by scarab bomb kinda

[drowsy plank]

drills multidigging would be nice

[cobalt pewter]

Scarab Bomb explodes in roughly a line away from ya

tone the area down and you can apply it to drills

[small timber]

and drills being available in Hardmode (except for the calamity ones but those are outscaled massively by molten pickaxe) do not help

[cobalt pewter]

Mining Potions should require a pickaxe to be made

[worldly basalt]

finally, a decent use for copper/tin

[grave zinc]

@rain jewel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make ironskin potion scale through the game]

Your suggestion has already been previously passed and voted upon; if it isn't already implemented, the devs may reconsider their verdict.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

clone suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

blue

[grave zinc]

@quartz tulip - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add ability to turn off the effect of chaos and tranquility candles]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[worldly basalt]

very nice

[grave zinc]

@tame mountain - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Recolor the acid decorations lights]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[surreal tangle]

Can we bring back the old elemental quiver ?

[small timber]

Old elemental quiver causes way too many bugs and screen clutter and performance issue so probably no

[hollow shell]

m

Ele Quiver is indeed quite boring as an accessory
Stat stick
Most interesting thing it has going for it is boosting ranged projectile velocity, which isn't unique to it and doesn't do too much in practice afaik

You could suggest that it be given some kind of defining effect

But it'd be a mistake to revert it to its previous state

[frosty trellis]

projectile Velocity makes UG less dogshit and Karasawa more fun

[hollow shell]

oh, Universal Genesis
damn acronyms

[drowsy plank]

ive been so bored ive just started reworking whatever suggs people complain about in here

this one will probably fail but it was funny

maybe ill write one about the problem with the state of mana flowers after it does

[hollow shell]

Sugg looks good actually

[cobalt pewter]

a lot of endgame accs in cal are problematic for being boring I guess

[crude geode]

100%

[hollow shell]

mhm

[small timber]

Ethereal Talisman: have the combined effect of all mana flower variants (reduced aggro, cloak, magnet)
Elemental Gauntlet:
Elemental Quiver:

(entirely unique bonuses might be hard considering they are actively removing them, like elemental gauntlet only inflicting hellfire now when yharim's insignia its component have holy fire

quiver even losses the quiver specific multiplicative bonuses when becoming elemental quiver)

[drowsy plank]

this, i figured it kinda fell into "fix every problem now!!!"-ism, but if people like it, cool

[small timber]

also I think you can include nucleogenesis, since its distinction is only like, "here have some minor debuffs and immunity to debuff that literally nothing inflict at this stage of the game"

[drowsy plank]

imagine if ranger played harder into what the plaguebringer sets established with debuff synergies

[drowsy plank]

nucleo has a funny projectile too actually

which is why it gets to not be lumped in

[small timber]

I mean...

a damaging spark

that is placebo level of damage

[drowsy plank]

me when i spawn a damaging spark

the point is nucleo could be fine if they just made the spark a bit more involved, it isnt completely lacking a new effect like the others

[small timber]

nucleogenesis have a lot of effect (mainly from its componenets), but at the sametime these effect are also completely irrelevant

[drowsy plank]

maybe you could make a buffing aura like ror2 warbanners if you hit the lingering spark with a whip, projectile, or minion

seems more like an idea for a seperate sugg

[small timber]

like, I will not call Elemental Gauntlet providing immunity to lava a unique characteristics for the same reason

[drowsy plank]

lol fair

[frosty trellis]

The problem with giving nucleo more shit is that we don't need more shit breaking summoner when whips are on the way

[small timber]

just give nucleo 5 slots and -1 slot from silva (edit: and auric)

"uniqueness"

[frosty trellis]

GOD

So then we have more slots on Auric Tesla

[small timber]

oh I forgot to say auric

[frosty trellis]

I mean it would make sense in that regard

Then the component minion slots are added up appropriately

[small timber]

but yeah currently except for the rogue class one all elemental accessory are just incredibly boring

mainly because all of the are literally trying to do the samething despite them steming from accessories that do completely different thing
only rogue deviate from it by not giving a fuck

[frosty trellis]

Nanotech is boring bc raiders talisman effect is pointless

[small timber]

at least nanotech is not "15% rogue damage, 5% rogue crit, 15% rogue velocity and 20% less chance to consume consumable rogue weapons"

[drowsy plank]

nanotech gets a funny razorblade on attack

[crude geode]

a lot of post ml accessories are just. stat sticks

[frosty trellis]

A lot?

[drowsy plank]

at least 7

[frosty trellis]

Besides the post dog class specific, ESA and DSR I can't think of anything off the top of my head that is a stat stick

Pure stat stick that does nothing else

[drowsy plank]

well if the one thing it does other than stats is so bad you forget about it

[crude geode]

~~when tf did they change blazing core that was my like #1 example of stupid stat stick that you forget about ~~

[small timber]

blazing core actually have a unique effect now

too bad it is so situational that it is useless 99% of the time and available too late

[crude geode]

it's less situational and just typical calamity ignoring any enemy content

[frosty trellis]

I'm trying to look through accessories and I'm not finding shit

[crude geode]

Yharim's Insignia is still just a stat stick

Yharim's Gift

[frosty trellis]

Gift has the meteors

[crude geode]

woah 750 damage meteors!

[frosty trellis]

Insig is iffy for me mainly bc I see the low hp effect as making it less of a stat stick

[crude geode]

[crude geode]

.

[frosty trellis]

Also you have the dragon dust you leave by as it moves

So like

It has two more unique effects

They just need to actually do something

[drowsy plank]

mmmmmm dust

[frosty trellis]

Yharims insignia has the low hp effect so it's not purely a stat stick

(Although gauntlet losing that effect sucks)

[small timber]

where did the forced 15/5 ratio comes from anyway

how does the class end game accessory being literally the same as emblem + 5% crit (which in most case is similar/worse than destroyer emblem)

[frosty trellis]

Make it 15/15 so mage actually gets crit

[crude geode]

I should have said generic/unoriginal (which I associate stat stick with )

[cobalt pewter]

how is it pointless?

genuinely curious because I find the rework to be mildly interesting at the very least

[frosty trellis]

Okay, early game raiders talisman effect does something

But due to being later game and having more crit bonus's, going for the raiders talismans effect makes everything but eclipse fall kill stuff slower and is far more effort

[small timber]

just use it with eclipse mirror

everytime you dodge nanotech proc the raider talisman effect twice, but that is just the cherry on top, its nanoblade effect (and stealth strike benefits inherited from electrician glove) is still its main purpose

[frosty trellis]

I'm

Confused

Also you forget that I'm a void sash user

The problem with emirror is that it just doesn't synergize with void sash and void sash dodge takes priority. And I am one of two people who actually uses void sash

[austere cargo]

this might fall under "way too much work", but any consideration of making subclasses more distinct the way shroomite armor briefly does before abandoning the idea?

[small timber]

subclass suggestion itself is disallowed

and truly, there is really not much point to make subclasses more distinct from each other, because except for ranger there is no real definition of "subclasses"

even true melee is very blurry sometimes, like does the true melee part of terrablade count as true melee and the projectile count as non-true melee or should both be not true melee altogether
or things like ark straight up not being considered as true melee

[austere cargo]

spam vs stealth rogue seems sort of like ones

[small timber]

that is an even blurry line since the only difference of the two is how long you press left click between attacks

they can make things benefit non stealth strike or stealth strike only sure, but it will just become like raider's talisman

[austere cargo]

and then something to do with summoner whips

magic...god only knows

[small timber]

whip is not really a subclass, you dont really use whips on their own (especially in calamity) so yeah
they are more like ammo for rangers, you dont use ammo on their own, you use ammo with a weapon

[austere cargo]

tomes is the only thing that stands out

the reason to do this would be that calamity has a zillion armor sets

[frail mantle]

I think that rule’s specifically about adding content to make subclass specific runs easier

Unless it’s been updated since I last saw it

[small timber]

[austere cargo]

especially in hardmode where cryonic is the same tier as titanium and hallowed and chlorophyte are the same tier

[frail mantle]

Mage has no subclasses

[austere cargo]

come to think of it, now that hallowed bars are post-mechs, a lot of recipes that have one of each soul could have hallowed bars instead

hallowed makes way more sense in angel treads than souls

[swift wharf]

keep in mind that the hardmode ore rework does not change any recipes

[small timber]

yeah hardmode ore rework is something you can turn off

[swift wharf]

so you would just put everything that is post 3 mechs to post 1 mech

as it would not require souls

[austere cargo]

and making hardmode rework change recipes is off the table?

[swift wharf]

nahhh

it should however change the boss checklist order

[small timber]

why change that when they can just, not change anything?

they already use all souls anyway why do they need to specifically change it to hallowed for hardmode ore rework

[austere cargo]

I dislike refighting the mech bosses because I ran out of souls

[swift wharf]

just trim the recipes

reduce the number of materials needed or smth

[small timber]

well there are a lot of bosses you have to refight in the game

[swift wharf]

or make stuff use chlorophyte

[small timber]

and those all souls recipe tend to use very little amount of souls, and next patch trim even more I think

[austere cargo]

a lot of these recipes use one of each admittedly, but I somehow always manage to have zero souls when trying to make them

[swift wharf]

this makes me angry

[austere cargo]

it's also just weird for angel treads or MOAB to need the souls

[swift wharf]

because progression

[austere cargo]

oh, you can make excalibur and then immediately upgrade

[swift wharf]

OH SHIT TRUE

💀

i was talking about how

sword + chlorphyte = pink and blue
sword + souls = green

[austere cargo]

idea: hallowed still drops from mechs, but the pieces of hallowed armor require one of the souls

[small timber]

or they can just move chlorophyte to post-Plantera

[swift wharf]

jungel material numero 5092592

[austere cargo]

chlorophyte just replaces perennial ore

[swift wharf]

actually let's not consider the rework-less game

perennial ore needs to die yes yes

[austere cargo]

which...kind of solves that problem

[swift wharf]

and living shards can die too

[austere cargo]

chlorophyte makes sense in all the places perennial is used

[swift wharf]

: )

[austere cargo]

plus it means that melee doesn't get its special chlorophyte armor pre-plantera while other classes get it post

[swift wharf]

actually yeah you could just remove the souls on everything that has hallowed bars

cleaner recipes

but what the fuck do we do with excalibur

[austere cargo]

or remove hallowed bars from them so they can be used after you beat the mechs

like optic staff for example

(unless calamity already did this and I missed it)

[swift wharf]

i think that's vanilla

byeah if chloro is post plant, excalibur upgrades instantly anyways into terra blade

[small timber]

that depends on what progression optic staff is intended to be

if it is as strong as post-3 mechs weapon, then it should have hallowed bar, if it is intended as post 1/2 mech then sure

[cobalt pewter]

true melee and stealth rogue are playstyles, not subclasses

[swift wharf]

i think it just needs iron bars and sight souls + lens

that is correct

[small timber]

yeah

[swift wharf]

not even iron zamb

[austere cargo]

ok so that's already changed

[cobalt pewter]

then again aside from ranger (and rogue till recently), there aren't any real distinction for weapons in a class

[austere cargo]

odd to remove all bars instead of just changing it to mythril

[swift wharf]

it does need two mechs

wait no

one mech

[cobalt pewter]

no, 2

[swift wharf]

for anvil

[cobalt pewter]

wait 1?

yeah anvil is one

[swift wharf]

first is mythril

me completely ignoring souls of sight

[austere cargo]

I guess my idea is having different armors work for different playstyles, like how obsidian armor buffs whips more and bee armor buffs minions more in vanilla

[cobalt pewter]

honestly yeah they should swap these

[austere cargo]

to help alleviate armor bloat

[cobalt pewter]

true exc with souls and true ne with bar

or just make true exc use hallowed in cal instead of chloro

wait

no

[austere cargo]

if you do that, regular exc would need something different

[cobalt pewter]

I am silly

[austere cargo]

mythril + ???

[crude geode]

lmaooooo

[cobalt pewter]

[austere cargo]

would move it back to post 1 mech

[cobalt pewter]

byeah at least swapping the two would be nice

true ex + souls

true ne + chloro bar

[crude geode]

Swapping the two seems sufficient

[cobalt pewter]

it's not much but probably better

[austere cargo]

I think the bigger issue is exc and true exc being the same tier

[swift wharf]

le insta upgrade

[cobalt pewter]

well blame cal on that one

just make true variants post calclone

[austere cargo]

well, ashes of calamity would make sense for nights edge

[crude geode]

When are we getting alternate “major progression shift” bosses

[swift wharf]

deus the moon lord alt.....

[crude geode]

slime god becoming an alt to wall of flesh

you could never sugg this concept but it would be cool

[austere cargo]

what would a post-1 mech excalibur recipe look like? Mythril + Fallen Stars?

[crude geode]

probably but also like wtf

[cobalt pewter]

the concepts of alts isn't really done well in cal aside from, I guess endgame?

all the alts introduced are trying to be alts of vanilla, which didn't seem to really work

[austere cargo]

or souls of light

[cobalt pewter]

while scal and exos are both cal bosses and they can

make them properly alts of each other

[crude geode]

What alts are there in cal

Aquatic and Desert Scourge?

[austere cargo]

hive mind and perforators for brain and eater

[swift wharf]

[cobalt pewter]

Aquatic Scourge, Brimmy and Cryo were meant to be mech alts at some point in the past

[swift wharf]

and that died

[austere cargo]

calclone is sort of a plantera alt progression wise

[cobalt pewter]

Calclone is supposed to be plant alt, but it's not really working

[austere cargo]

ravager and golem

[swift wharf]

scuffed non linearity........

[frozen hornet]

ravager isn't a golem alt

[cobalt pewter]

Deus never really felt like an ML alt

[austere cargo]

astrum deus and presumably moon lord

[swift wharf]

obligatory ravager is a golem copy

[frozen hornet]

why would a post golem boss be a golem alt...

[cobalt pewter]

Deus has this issue of being sandwiched between the already cramped gap between Cultist and ML

[swift wharf]

deus is not a ML alt i am simply joking

[austere cargo]

which would make astrum aureus the alt of cultist?

[swift wharf]

prob yeah

[crude geode]

Aureus?????

[swift wharf]

but no ancient manipulator so it's useles

s

[crude geode]

The fuck?

[frozen hornet]

deus is the worm

[cobalt pewter]

Aureus is the alt of King Slime

[swift wharf]

something gelicious is brewing

[crude geode]

insert forgotten dono weapon here

[cobalt pewter]

tr

[frozen hornet]

the best alt boss is actually me I'm alt

[austere cargo]

though I don't like alt bosses. Having to make my own corruption/crimson is annoying

[frail mantle]

Deus ML alt was an idea that was proposed at one point

But the idea was decided against

[crude geode]

Alts are something that need a lot of. time and effort to work

[swift wharf]

simply do not

[austere cargo]

but I want to face all bosses

[cobalt pewter]

Deus just

needs to be pulled outta the cramped spot between Cultist and ML at least

[austere cargo]

have an alternate way to get ancient manipulator so you can use deus's shards without beating cultist

[crude geode]

It’s cramped bc cultist (especially in vanilla) is just a precursor miniboss to ml

[cobalt pewter]

except cal tries to make it a boss

so that argument is invalid

:xd:

what

[crude geode]

it does but also like. most people still don’t consider him much of one tbfh

[austere cargo]

it's a little weird that all of deus's drops are locked behind cultist. seems to go against nonlinearity

[cobalt pewter]

it still drops things

[austere cargo]

yes but you can't use them

[crude geode]

Me when weapon drops ignored once again

[cobalt pewter]

it still drops weapons

idk about the others, but Regulus Riot is good

[crude geode]

also funny (boring) astral meteor

[austere cargo]

still weird to get a pile of fragments you can't use and get to mine astral ore which you also can't use

[crude geode]

Oh does it actually also need it

Funny

[cobalt pewter]

it allows mining astral ore but realistically you don't have enough pick power yet

or am I mixing things up

god damn

[austere cargo]

astral ore requires picksaw

[crude geode]

also

[cobalt pewter]

god

just kill cultist early

you said it's not a boss right

[swift wharf]

true

[cobalt pewter]

then just kill it pre mech

also cultist is getting the same treatment as human scal

[austere cargo]

put ancient manipulator in the abyss

[cobalt pewter]

(bubel)

so they're probably gonna take his status upgrade somewhat seriously

because rn he's still a goddamn paper

[crude geode]

It’s getting put in a maid dress on the steam workshop?

[cobalt pewter]

true

[austere cargo]

he's going to join you as an NPC?

[crude geode]

Wdym

[austere cargo]

or is he going to be the face and title character of the mod but have close to zero presence in the game?

also, unrelated, but why doesn't life alloy have an armor set?

[crude geode]

Cuz it kinda just. doesn’t really have a theme of it’s own to make a set out of

Unless you really want a classless elemental armor set post ml

[austere cargo]

I suppose if perennial ore gets ditched then something has to make reaver armor

(The more I think about it the more I like moving chlorophyte post-plantera to replace perennial ore)

[swift wharf]

moving chloro to post plant would also murder living shards

😊

[crude geode]

We want an excuse to kill terra weapons eclipse

[austere cargo]

that would be an excuse. Chlorophyte weapons take their place at that tier

[swift wharf]

we dont need one

they will die.

[austere cargo]

although I kind of like each class having a terra weapon

[swift wharf]

terra was never supposed to be a tier 💥💥💥

[austere cargo]

but just one

and the two ranged ones recipes don't really work

[swift wharf]

terra blade is multiclass

oh no terra flameburster needs to fucking die

and cosmic bolter is

.

[austere cargo]

cosmic bolter needs more stuff in its recipe

if it would stay

Given that calclone drops hero sword, core of calamity would make more sense than living shards

I don't know if a "retier a whole bunch of mid-hardmode stuff" suggestion would be a good idea

or even allowed

[small timber]

you need to give a really good reasoning as to why there is a need for retier

because I think retier count as a grand scale reconsideration

[austere cargo]

my justification is solving the weird pileup of materials pre-plantera and getting rid of perennial ore at the same time

[small timber]

question is is it a strong enough justification?

because my as well can considers them "alternative options" of gear

you have chlorophyte stuffs, post-Plant solar eclipse, moons, and perennial ore stuffs

[austere cargo]

hallowed and chlorophyte happening at the same time just doesn't make sense to me

nor does perennial ore existing

[small timber]

it doesn't make sense to you, but does it make sense to the devs?

all of these are needed to be considered

[swift wharf]

material bloat

[austere cargo]

perennial ore is kind of the worst example of material bloat

[small timber]

adamantite and titanium exist in the same tier, does that cause a problem? so as for every HM ores etc etc

[swift wharf]

we have

[austere cargo]

at least scoria and cryonic occupy different concepts

perennial ore and chlorophyte are basically the same idea

[swift wharf]

perennial
chlorophyte
ectoplasm
living shards
cores of sunlight
cores of chaos
cores of eleum
cores of calamity

[austere cargo]

except chlorophyte is a better execution

[small timber]

I dont mean I necessarily agree with the fact that there is no material bloat, I mean that if you want to make a suggestion about it (with a strong reasoning considering the scale of it) these are questions you have to ask and answers

if the entire basis of the suggestion is just "in my opinion they dont have to exist" then it is weak

[swift wharf]

living shards need to go

period

[austere cargo]

living shards and the non-calamity cores could probably be dropped with no effect

I guess it depends on how much the devs think material bloat is a problem

I kind of think it's a big one

and given how much stuff is being cut in more recent updates, I would think they do to

there would be the question of what to do with the perennial weapons. certainly calamity could stand to cut some things, though perhaps their unique effects could be moved to chlorophyte weapons

every chlorophyte weapon has a perennial counterpart

the beastial pickaxe isn't even better than the chlorophyte one

(and also should be spelled bestial)

[fossil finch]

RETIER CHLORO TO POST PLANT BEST IDEA WOOO

perennial can die after all it is the exact same thing thematically

give the armor effects to chloro (everyone is using class specific for that tier anyway) and the weapons that arent redundant stay and the ones that are get removed

best plan

[austere cargo]

reaver can probably stay a separate armor set since it has totally different effects

[gilded scroll]

reaver is pointless, get rid of it

[half imp]

no reaver is really cool

and genuinely useful

reaver mobility lowering dash cooldown >>>

reaver is one of the armors that most should not go as it's one of the most unique

[bright crag]

I like the idea of other reforges
And we can remove some mining accessories, because mining speed can get a bit insane in Calamity

[cobalt pewter]

neko did say that the effects should go to chloro

[bright crag]

Perennial won't die

[cobalt pewter]

but either way yea reaver is good as far as

design of the armor goes

since it's recent

[bright crag]

Armor is awesome, weapons have potential, and Perennial goes into Life Alloy

[swift wharf]

life alloy