suggestions-discussion

[hardy laurel]

I want to watch jerma turn purple fighting robo-malenia

[tidal plaza]

Midlenia

[fossil finch]

good suggestion

[hardy laurel]

True

[drowsy plank]

what if, and i cant believe im saying this, you just made em more like rusty medallion

[small timber]

(I dont know how I feel about more rusty medallion like accessory after seeing the unstable granite core but that is one potential approach to rework them)

[inner anvil]

Can you like, post more than 1 suggestion a day?

I thought the rules said that only 1 per day IDK.

[fossil finch]

You can post two memes

This is the third time you ask memes

[inner anvil]

Is it?

[fossil finch]

i don't actually know if its the third or the second

[inner anvil]

I don't actually know if this is even the second.

[fossil finch]

It is

I recall you bringing this up before

[inner anvil]

Hell nah.

Oh yeah, it's 2.

[errant bobcat]

Just play dnd like a gigachad

[hardy laurel]

lmao

i want to see it tho

my imagination has been decimated by constant stimulation through tiktok

[drowsy plank]

@hardy laurel shimmer

[hardy laurel]

ah yes, the thing that isnt in calam yet

[quiet kernel]

Yea but next update is gonna be on 1.4.4

[hardy laurel]

and when is that coming out?

[quiet kernel]

Eventually

[dense ferry]

in the next update, aka, nothing inbetween

[small timber]

The next update will be 1.4.4, even if you make a suggestion they will not come out any sooner

[hardy laurel]

:(

[quiet kernel]

🙂

[hardy laurel]

5 recipes seems fairly simple to add

[small timber]

Sry I mean the "make emblem convertible" suggestion, not "because of a suggestion update will come out sooner"

[quiet kernel]

Stupid auto emoji correct thing

[small timber]

I am pretty sure they will not add recipe just because of shimmer

[dense ferry]

Yeah but they aren't going to make an update just to add those five recipes

[inner anvil]

We did remove recipes because of shimmer, so yes.

[small timber]

Because they are deleting the chlorophyte to beetle/shroomite/spectre recipe just because shimmer exist (I think Altix told me that when I asked)

Yeah

[hardy laurel]

L

[dense ferry]

Finally

The game is good

[hardy laurel]

L maneuver

[quiet kernel]

Why is it L

[small timber]

Woah instead of this magic liquid which rewards player exploration, we can do it the lame way where we make emblems convertible by crafting it with 1 souls of night and light

Revolutionary

[hardy laurel]

saying shimmer rewards exploration is like saying the dungeon rewards exploration

[dense ferry]

?

[hardy laurel]

it spawns on the same side every time

[small timber]

Since when does dungeon not reward exploration?

I mean exploration as in you throw things into shimmer to try out the various outcome

[hardy laurel]

oh

sometimes i forget that other people dont play terraria with the wiki constantly open

im not saying L to shimmer, shimmer is cool, im saying L to "wont add it cus its gonna be added in 3 years with the next update"

[small timber]

At this point they are basically waiting for tmod to update to 1.4.4

[hardy laurel]

oh right tmod is the slow one

[small timber]

Once that is done cal update should be soon™️ in months

[drowsy plank]

the game isnt going to update regardless so the sug is pointless regardless

[frosty trellis]

Also tokens Mod

Boss lootswap tokens that you can buy from the tinkerer

Just use that

[errant bobcat]

I’m kinda sad they removed bloody edge and terra edge line because they didn’t want to make them 1.4.4 cool

[drowsy plank]

it's because they're bad and pointless

[small timber]

"it is exactly like terrablade except it have slightly less damage and have lifesteal"
WOW

[frosty trellis]

Also inflicts Ichlor and affected by melee speed :)

[serene tendon]

@hardy laurel Yharim's Crystal exists too, might want to include that too.

[hardy laurel]

ah, i havent got that far in my run yet ;-;

[serene tendon]

All good

[distant gyro]

Yharim's Crystal spins

[hardy laurel]

does it?

[distant gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/663595792690315264/677325719361028129/YharimsCrystalRebirth.gif

[hardy laurel]

ah

it doesnt spin but it looks better than the dark spark

[distant gyro]

new sprite*

[hardy laurel]

ah

sick

[distant gyro]

dark spark is held out on its side because it's a real prism

[hardy laurel]

it could still look better i guess

is this considered a re-sprite?

if i just said "improve the dark spark firing animation" would that fall under re-spriting?

[fossil finch]

No but what do you mean by improve

Its not very clear either what you want

It's not going to spin because the donor wanted it to be held sideways
And even then youre probably going to want donor approval? Idk

[hardy laurel]

do something more than slap the item icon in front of the player's hand? i dont know the idea behind the dark spark other than Prism

so i cant really come up with something

[novel belfry]

it is supposed to be a reference to the cover to pink floyd's the dark side of the moon album

[hardy laurel]

ah

[grim tusk]

@tame mountain do you have lighting on White and not color?

[ruby plover]

this is just from memory, but im fairly certain that acidwood lights do in fact give off white light in colour mode

i could be wrong, i could be wrong

yep, i have a video of acidwood lights in colour mode, its white

huzzah

[hollow shell]

Projectiles that rain from the sky ""occasionally"" has to be among the worst accessory effects

[crude geode]

truly

[hollow shell]

Completely unusable, unstrategizable

And really fucking old

If it was like, a really fast projectile that shot from the top of your screen to the bottom of your screen, on your exact middle horizontal position, on a set timer
Then you could at least use it

You could position yourself above or below the enemy right before the timer hits 0, making an effort to hit the enemy with the attack

Instead of current which is just "I guess random positions on the screen are going to experience 50 DPS sometimes"

[crude geode]

I love random 50 damage hits they're so good

every ranged weapon post ml:

[hollow shell]

I recognize that it's a tough balance because it's DPS that is going to happen on top of your current weapon's DPS
But if it's harder for the player to control and uses up an accessory slot, it should deal DPS that's at least comparable to your weapon when utilized fully

[crude geode]

indeed

I love dps accessories just. never doing dps

spore sac + others just doing nothing

mutated truffle is like the one accessory I've seen where you could maybe use it and it would do something

[swift wharf]

ihatesporesacihatesporesacihatesporesac

[tame mountain]

no i don't

[crude geode]

it's fine...

[hollow shell]

wack

[crude geode]

if you just slap it on your fishing loadout that doesn't have any accessories

[grim tusk]

Wack

[hardy laurel]

A good dirty-green color for the lamps would be cool

[grave zinc]

@hazy sand - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astrum Aureus less tanky or more interesting]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Lunatic Cultist's sprite a forcefield similar to Scal's]

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@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Greatly increase the amount of Cosmilite Bars DoG drops]

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@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Void of Extinction An Actual Upgrade To Void of Calamity]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
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[hollow shell]

(Good frickin luck)

[small timber]

wait that aureus suggestion didnt get shot down?
I didnt even know it entered voting

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren ??

You mean Starlight Wings?

[small timber]

@ashen warren the suggestion do not make sense for the simple reason that it is not even called daedalus wing

yeah

[hollow shell]

Also there is no "wax" in Terraria

The armor set associated with them is called Daedalus Armor

[small timber]

just like how Empyrean Armor's wing is called Exodus Wing not empyrean

[hollow shell]

(Calamity already has a much cooler reference to that legend anyway )

wing-negation debuff inflicted by the Sun boss

[cobalt pewter]

Daedalus set wasn't even called Daedalus initially so the provi reference is more appropriate

there's barely anything "Daedalus" about the set so it's just

guh

[hollow shell]

Nah you're getting mixed up I think
The rename deal with all that was that Cryonic Bars used to be called Daedalus Bars

[cobalt pewter]

god?

calamity history is a history of all time

[hollow shell]

Yep

Reminder that that armor/weapon/ore set was literally one of the first things ever added to Calamity, it was in the 1.0 release

[small timber]

time to rename Daedalus Armor to Cryonic Armor

[frozen hornet]

Real OGs remember frigid bars 🙏

I never said it's a good item

[hollow shell]

heh

[hollow shell]

@strange garden Eventually. There'll be a future update dedicated to adding all the Calamity whips we want to add

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

puh

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah, eventually ™

[small timber]

(put calamity whip suggestion as one of the top in the suggestion don't doc I think imo iirc, it might not help a lot but at least it can potentially help some)

[hollow shell]

(We actually haven't gotten one of these in a while I don't think
And this guy isn't the kind of guy to read the doc anyway, judging by the single-line 5 word sugg...)

[crude geode]

yeah they seemed to have calmed down tbh

[ornate kestrel]

I remember frigid bars

[hollow shell]

m

[ornate kestrel]

Though I don't really remember their purpose cause they had so few

Wasn't one of those purposes crafting frost armor

[hollow shell]

Yes iirc
And Flarefrost Blade
and ice arrows n ice bullets

And I think Celestial Magnet for some reason

And Moonlight (component for Cosmolight)

I think that was it

[uncut zodiac]

does anybody know what calamity has updated

[hollow shell]

Can you rephrase your question

[uncut zodiac]

mods?

uhm

what im trynna say is

[west escarp]

aight boys i'm new to the sever and i want to try my first mod

is calamity the best mod to start out?

[uncut zodiac]

has the the 2.0.2 update been released yet

i havent played in a while

[small timber]

not the correct channel to ask, #calamity-mod-talk is probably much more suitable

[uncut zodiac]

that chat is deader than my dms

[small timber]

sry was replying to this

[uncut zodiac]

aint getting any answers there

oh

[hollow shell]

Ah, no
That is still in development

[uncut zodiac]

is it known whats being added?

or is that to in development

[hollow shell]

Sure yeah it's fine as a first mod

Just make sure you have Recipe Browser (and any other highly-subscribed QoL mods that interest you)

[hollow shell]

Everything in #changelogs , the current numbered list

[west escarp]

alright i'm going to buy terraria I was just seeing if it was worth to spend the money on it

sounds like calamity is worth it

[uncut zodiac]

so is that a no

[small timber]

if you just bought terraria imo it is highly recommended that you try out vanilla (non-modded) first

[west escarp]

i just bought tmodloader

now what do i do

[small timber]

otherwise it can get pretty overwhelming with the mass amount of stuffs added

[hollow shell]

Oh definitely don't play Calamity before even touching the original game
You really wanna do a vanilla playthrough first before going modded, at the very least

[west escarp]

but i hate vanilla and love chocolate

[hollow shell]

haha funny

[west escarp]

hehehe

alright i'll play the original game just for you

[hollow shell]

I just told you, #changelogs

[uncut zodiac]

sooo.

oh mb jot

appreciate oit

[west escarp]

you're very friendly can we be friends?

[uncut zodiac]

.

[hollow shell]

I would rather not but thank you for offering

[west escarp]

oh alright 😦

[cobalt pewter]

bishes be like remember frigid bars

enchanted metal was the shit

it's used for

a grand total of 3 boss spawners

and that's fuckin it

[bright crag]

Weren't they called Verstaltite originally

Also, I do find this suggestion interesting
But it relies on highly unstable lore ground

[swift wharf]

daedalus tier

[hardy laurel]

@ashen warren if they were called the Icarus wings that would make sense, however Daedalus is more known for being a master craftsman and the one who created the minotaur's labyrinth

Oh and also maybe play the mod?

[amber moss]

Cool idea but considering cal daedalus and Greek daedalus are two different things not really gonna work out

Especially since his armor set is blue and purple and wax wings really would not fit in with the set

[bright crag]

Daedalus made Icarus' wings

Two pairs of wings were made, one for Icarus and one for Daedalus, so both could escape from imprisonment
And it'd be fair to assume Daedalus' pair of wings would be in better conditions, since Icarus' had its wax melted

And so Icarus fell from the skies

[hardy laurel]

yes, but people dont call it the daedalus myth

the game isnt called "kid daedalus"

the wings are more widely associated with icarus

[small timber]

I realised this a 2nd time but why is Titanium Armor's stats (just raw stat like damage, crit, movement speed, defense etc) so garbage compare to Adamantite Armor

like is the set bonus titanium shard that valuable? the only time I see it is even being used is for cheese strat

[hardy laurel]

the set bonus used to be insane

[cobalt pewter]

I'm fairly sure titanium armor set bonus was reworked without actual changes in stats

[hardy laurel]

titanium stuff has always had lower stats than adamantite

[half sage]

Speaking of, you accidentally typed platinum instead of titanium in the suggestion

[small timber]

fixed

[half sage]

[swift wharf]

cryonic set

[grave zinc]

@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Lunatic Cultist's sprite a forcefield similar to Scal's]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[serene tendon]

nice

[keen zodiac]

[tidal plaza]

It would be nice to see Daedalus get an update, I've always liked the way that set looks

[grave zinc]

@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Lunatic Cultist's sprite a forcefield similar to Scal's]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

bot bein fucky

[grim tusk]

Sugg was planned feature so we just 🛠️ it lol

[drowsy plank]

lol

[distant gyro]

double dipping

[novel belfry]

Holy shit pre-moon lord Scal
||/s||

[grave zinc]

@shell glacier - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make a big chamber in the dungeon to avoid the time consuming task of making an arena for polterghast]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@elfin plover - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let worldgen spawn an arena in dungeon like temple golem room]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[half sage]

forsaken archive my beloved

[errant bobcat]

now they need to add one for prov in underworld

maybe stick it on opp side of crags

[distant gyro]

the other side has the lab

[hollow shell]

There's plenty of room in hell

unlike real life.

[cobalt pewter]

god.

[distant gyro]

sorry but hell is full, as we all learned from ultrakill

jokes aside didn't 1.4.4 add that giant plot of ash wood land

or it's specific to a seed (if it is then fuck you make it base please)

[grim tusk]

Its on the sides

[hollow shell]

I am pretty sure that's default now yeah, though I dunno how far it spans

[grim tusk]

Like Crags

[hollow shell]

On the flipped world seed(s), the tree area is in the middle at spawn instead

[distant gyro]

that should be sufficient as an arena i think

[cobalt pewter]

that is specific to remix (+ zenith technically)

since players spawn in hell for remix

[crude geode]

Nope, vanilla

[cobalt pewter]

oh the tree?

though they're talking about the plot of land

in the middle

but yes the tree are base

[crude geode]

Ah fair

[cobalt pewter]

no I'm p sure altix meant the land

[distant gyro]

the land, idc if it's in one piece or two, as long as it's some contiguous area of ash (or lava i guess)

[cobalt pewter]

it's a one piece of large land in the middle on remix yes

[crude geode]

Yeah I don’t think there’s a guaranteed flat plot

[distant gyro]

either are functional as arenas as long as they're not god damn buildings zone

[cobalt pewter]

drunk world has pure lava in the middle and buildings on the sides

[swift wharf]

just fight provi in the hallow lma

[crude geode]

What does provi have to do with hell

That they’re both related to heat bullshit and fire weapons

@ lore nerds

[distant gyro]

some holy unholy stuff idk lore

[fossil finch]

Provi's creation dates to a war between angels and devils and a point where their magic, combined, crystallized and made her core

That's the justification for the hallow hell duality

She's unholy, she comes from both sides and decided neither are worthy of existing

[crude geode]

Epic youki genocide

Byeah sounds wacky

[soft quest]

based centrism

[crude geode]

[small timber]

tldr this is the perfect timing for this change since melee speed are not being balanced (yet) (or at least I heard from xyk I think), and when they are starting to get balanced it will be too late to implement a change like this since they will have to rebalance everything

[polar ruin]

@frosty trellis

[short hull]

Hi question, where can I post a suggestion that is part of the don't suggest category but still want to see what people feedback on the idea is, I just have a class idea for yo-yos, and I know that new classes is something that is part of the don'ts

[small timber]

chances are if something fits the "don't" included in the document it will never get pass as a suggestion

but if you just want to share the idea I guess you can post it here? #suggestions-discussion

[short hull]

Okay, I mean it a basic idea pretty sure been constantly asked for, basically it a yo-yo class,

main reason why I would want it, yo-yos are basically a class of their own already, it has it own weapon line accessories, etc minor tweaking and it could become a nice class, but here's the issue, just giving it, it's own damage type and some new accessories isn't really gonna do much, it just going to be a slightly modified rogue/range.

So let look at what makes a yo-yo unique, it continues damage, it has a limit to it range, and it stays on the cursor for a certain amount of time, now take the last part of what I just stated and let apply some real life yo-yos to the equation, what is the cool part about people who play with yo-yos? The tricks obviously, around the world, making images with the strings etc.

Unique yo-yo mechanic, trick shots, while a yo-yo is out, there is a limited amount of time for the player to use their cursor to draw shapes with the yo-yo, each shape gives a buff that last until the yo-yo is retracted.

Some tricks will give more damage, maybe a new projectile or will extend the time the yo-yo can stay out before losing spin and needing to be retracted.

Each yo-yo has maybe it own list of tricks and buffs, or it could be tied to the armor. Armor buffs could include increased spin duration, reduced complexity on trick drawings, like maybe a cross drawing is now just a line.

That basically my idea, it probably would be too complicated to implement a drawing system, but hey, it mostly for fun and something I want to put out there to see what people think.

[small timber]

(that sounds weirdly like art attack)

but yeah main thing is compare to weapon like art attack, I dont really see why specifically yoyo should have a mechanic like this

in fact if it is a new "drawer/painter/artist" class will fit it more than yoyo I feel

[swift wharf]

true melee "class" moment

byeah this will never be implemented because of the donts

[drowsy plank]

me when no read rules

at least he posted it here first

[small timber]

no I think he/she did read rules, and they explicitly stated that they want to post it knowing that it will not be a valid suggestion

(maybe just want to get people's opinion on the idea or something but yeah)

[drowsy plank]

oh i see

[errant bobcat]

If you want to commission a mod for this or make your own, I feel like that would be a cool concept, idk if it would fit/be attainable in calamity tho

[glass arch]

@hardy laurel you could just... fight the boss

[drowsy plank]

^

[hardy laurel]

Ah yes, fight the boss while looking at your dps counter the whole time

That'll work

[glass arch]

you dont have to glue your eyes to it

[hardy laurel]

But even looking at it for a second could lose the fight

[glass arch]

hell, you can just take a rough guess by how fast the boss dies without the dps counter on

[hardy laurel]

Not really? Two different weapons won't necessarily show how effective they are on the healthbar

If they're in the same tier

[glass arch]

if its easier to use and gets close to the same dps as another option then you want to use that one

[hardy laurel]

Yes but you can't check the actual dps on a stationary dummy

[glass arch]

if you're testing dps on bosses i also would think you dont expect to win during those attempts

lmao

[hardy laurel]

There

Fixed

[glass arch]

lmao

[hardy laurel]

Discussion helps me think of better ideas

[grim tusk]

We could expand on the yo-yo subclass with some stuff if we get ideas (that are not giving yoyo bag upgrades) but not something as overly complicated as this.

If you want cool yoyo tricks in a 2D videogame go play Guilty Gear and pick Bridget

Although this gives me an idea to possibly rework some yoyos

@hardy laurel go install Nycro’s nohit efficiency or smth

[hardy laurel]

:(

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao they right

was just about to say that

[hardy laurel]

Shoulda figured there was some other mod for that

I don't like installing additional mods ;-;

[frosty trellis]

Nycro's doesn't give DPS stats

Caltesthelpers does and you can grab that off the nohit doc which is pinned in #help-advice-read-pins

[crude geode]

I love when people refuse to install additional mods

[serene tendon]

An idea for a rework to the Cascade I've had for a while would be it drips lava every second or so and the drips do damage

Just throwing that out there

[grim tusk]

I was thinking for Cal yoyos, like Providence’s drop but that sounds neat

[hardy laurel]

I don't refuse to, I would rather not have to. I installed calamity whips because summoner is hell without whips

And also I didn't know there were already mods to help with dps tracking

[cobalt pewter]

I wrote down some fun y ideas for yoyos a while back involving throwing the yoyos off string temporarily

idk if you seen it already

but yeah yoyos are silly

[grim tusk]

me when Kaleidoscope is busted as hell due to still having crit

[hardy laurel]

You just want it to do nothing except tag damage? It's the final vanilla whip

Tho crit isn't very creative

Whips aren't bad, they're just built wrong

Cus re-logic made them

[errant bobcat]

Me when the literal hell-fire used to only inflict on fire instead of hell fire 🤯

[frosty trellis]

Summoner in calamity being balanced without whips so it's not hell

[slow citrus]

Does anyone know why when trying to enter an online game the calamity appears as if it were downloading and it gets stuck?

[hardy laurel]

Calamity isn't built for multiplayer and also it's probs a different mod giving you problems

[hardy laurel]

Also this isn't the channel for that

[slow citrus]

what a helpful answer

[hardy laurel]

Look literally one message above that one doofus

@slow citrus ^^^

[slow citrus]

The issue is that it's happening to me since they updated calamity yesterday

[hardy laurel]

Yes and I bet you would find much better help in #help-advice-read-pins

The channel specifically made to help you

[short hull]

I mean expanding it cool, I just think Yo-yo class lacks an identity

[frosty trellis]

Also just like, all cal yoyos but Oracle and Sulf grabber suck

[drowsy plank]

prolly cause it isnt a class lmao

[frosty trellis]

Ah yes, the most proper english

[distant gyro]

grammar is merely an afterthought

[grave zinc]

@hardy laurel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Increase the frequency of sus scrap found in abandoned labs]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

[hardy laurel]

progger

[bright crag]

;)

[frosty trellis]

THANK GOD

[fervent orbit]

still gonna have to tell people to get max mining speed

lmao

[gilded scroll]

hmmmmm, i wonder what frankly stupid thing ill suggest tonight

[cobalt otter]

So

What does everyone here think of terra bolter/lunarian bow

[gilded scroll]

ech

[cobalt otter]

I think that lunarian bow doesn’t fit the theme of “nights edge bow” nor does it fit anything at all, and cosmic bolter doesn’t fit the terra theme

The projectile is strange and impractical

While the cosmic bolter’s three arrow capabilities make it worth using with other arrows, say, terra arrows, however what is the point of giving it a custom projectile then anyways?

It’s just boring and extremely forgettable

[crude geode]

Yep

[ruby plover]

i think lunarian would be cool if it had a better (more unique) type of wooden arrow projectile, but honestly cosmic bolter is not worth keeping

plus, the alternative of blossom flux is, im pretty sure, almost ALWAYS better

[fervent orbit]

cosmic bolter hmm? let me check how good it did against golem

it did better with unconverted arrows

[cobalt otter]

That’s because they stick to the ground

So yeah it’d be good for golem

[gilded scroll]

i would not miss cosmic bolter tbh, so many better options

[fervent orbit]

im saying it did better without the conversion

[gilded scroll]

(like fucking barracuda gun, somehow)

[fervent orbit]

also cosmic bolter misses p1 and p2

[fervent orbit]

barracuda is post golem, cosmic bolter isnt

must be thinking of piranha

[gilded scroll]

this right here shows how much ranger i play

[fervent orbit]

lmao

im just the guy that tests stuff

also barracuda is busted

[crude geode]

I’m of the opinion that balance should have no place in a weapon staying

or being bonked from existence

[fervent orbit]

i never said it should be removed

tf

[crude geode]

My b

[fervent orbit]

im just saying 13 weapons are better than it

[crude geode]

You responded that way directly after a message about removing cosmic bolted

Bolter

Fuck autocorrect

[fervent orbit]

well im the guy that tested ranger weapons on golem

i have the results to how good it is

[cobalt otter]

It’s not balanced but that’s not the point

The point is that it’s weird, impractical, unmemorable and don’t fit into their sets

[crude geode]

Indeed

Speaking of weird, the dungeon class chests (piranha gun, rainbow gun, vampire knives etc) upgrades are also pretty weird

~~also god there’s now a cosmic (disambiguation) page ~~

[fervent orbit]

barracuda - op
vamp knives - moved to full support i think
idfk its name rainbow gun upgrade - useless
i dont think the others get upgrades

[cobalt otter]

Cosmic rainbow is also completely useless

[fervent orbit]

thats wats its called?

[cobalt otter]

Yeah

It’s a donor item though I think

[glass arch]

theres a rainbow gun upgrade????????

[cobalt otter]

!wiki cosmic rainbow

[fervent orbit]

its not

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Cosmic_Rainbow

[fervent orbit]

i wouldve remembered if it was

i tried testing this on ml for like a minute, saw the dps being like 500 and said "no"

i didnt even include it in my testing lmao

[crude geode]

It is indeed a support weapon

Probably is good for pillars but idk if anyone in cal even does those

[glass arch]

i dont if i can avoid it

[drowsy plank]

it requires post pillar mats...

[glass arch]

if only deus dropped meld blobs

[small timber]

Vamp knife I dont think should ever move to full support since it will just means it do shit damage and give stupid amount of lifesteal

[crude geode]

If only Deus dropped everything pillars did so cal players could avoid pillars entirely

Byeah forgot about meld blobs

[small timber]

Just tune the damage and lifesteal somewhat downwards so that it is slightly worse than average on tier weapon that also give some lifesteal

[glass arch]

yeah because nobody likes the pillars

[crude geode]

Vanilla design moment

Anyways endo hydra exists but people forget that exists in favor of corvid staff

!wiki endo hydra staff

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Endo_Hydra_Staff

[small timber]

If it exist and is self identified as a sentry soon it will get the nuke button

[crude geode]

It isn’t

[glass arch]

it does about the same dps as corvids but has lower range iirc

[small timber]

Oh I thought you mean frost hydra

[glass arch]

but corvids are kinda stupid like that

[small timber]

Since was talking about biome chest weapon

[glass arch]

its the upgrade to frost hydra

[crude geode]

I was talking about biome chest upgrades

frost hydra itself sure is a weapon that exists

But it’s vanilla so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass arch]

its also a sentry

so that doesnt help much

[drowsy plank]

endo hydra is neat

maybe it just needs to be moved

[crude geode]

There’s a lot of post ml summons I just. don’t know how to feel about

Mainly cuz most of the time people spam one minion for all their slots iirc

[cobalt otter]

On the newest version?

[glass arch]

havent used it since 1.5 so maybe

[fervent orbit]

oh frost hydra does have an upgrade

i was thinking of a sentry lmao

forgot it was just a normal summon

[crude geode]

Yeah

[alpine oasis]

they should have melee speed but solar should have less. currently, beetle w/ scale mail is the best melee armor DPS-wise until demonshade.

[small timber]

beetle is not supposed to have melee speed

as in, the beetle scale is supposed to only give melee damage and no melee speed (from its set bonus), but for some reason it still have both

[ruby plover]

the thing about support weapons is that typically they shouldnt interfere with i-frames, right?

[glass arch]

1.4.4 should fix iframe problems

[ruby plover]

should

[crude geode]

just like it fixed enemies spawning during boss fights

[distant gyro]

clueless

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Void of Extinction An Actual Upgrade To Void of Calamity]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Greatly increase the amount of Cosmilite Bars DoG drops]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@hazy sand - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astrum Aureus less tanky or more interesting]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[glass arch]

big moments

[grim tusk]

Suggs sweep

[errant cloud]

i dont care much for the aureus one, but the cosmilite one is very good

VoC -> VoE is also good

[glass arch]

i care very much for the aureus one

bc it's like
the first ever aureus less tank sugg to go through

[hollow shell]

I'm shocked

[cobalt pewter]

it's still a boss sugg

[errant cloud]

yeah same it just seemed very generic

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not holding too much hope

[grim tusk]

That Aureus one had 🛠️ potential even but first we need to test a few things out with it

Like that one changelog

[cobalt pewter]

what changelog

[errant cloud]

people would think i disliked the aureus one but when i said it seems very generic i mean that ad verbatim

[cobalt pewter]

282?

[errant cloud]

like yeah obviously a bunch of people want aureus tweaks but just saying "tweak aureus" isnt really conducive to efficient ways to actually change the boss

its like saying "ok we need more apples"

and people go ok how

[grim tusk]

Earlier one

[errant cloud]

"well idk, just get more apples"

[grim tusk]

The Aureus resting phases actually existing

[cobalt pewter]

then there are suggs that are detailed enough THEN becomes twisted into something infinitely worse

I am not totally talking about m

[grim tusk]

Overly complicated suggs moment

[glass arch]

during all my aureus fights i get on average 2 resting phases

[cobalt pewter]

[grim tusk]

But do they last more than 0.5 seconds?

[cobalt pewter]

I said it's detailed, but it's not that detailed ig

[glass arch]

and thats increased severely by the one where i took 5 minutes to kill him

[grim tusk]

Even on normal they barely even last anything

On Rev+, they might as well not exist

[glass arch]

more around 1.5 seconds but thats with 50% game speed

[errant cloud]

well obviously there'll be a bunch of bad suggestions as to how to tweak the boss that are that much more detailed and not worth the time but 1 out of every 10 you'll find something that makes a lick of sense. even if its longer

wasn't aureus supposed to be translated into an underground astral boss anyway

[grim tusk]

Something, something, ideas pulled out, back to square 1

[errant cloud]

oh, because previous team designed?

yeah, happens

well as far as i'm concerned its a crab. space crab? space crab. has claws. kinda pinchy.

have it grab...using the pinchy. walls? sure

ceiling? ok

[glass arch]

space crab

[grim tusk]

Aureus is a robot

[glass arch]

metal space crab

[grim tusk]

Metal space aids spider crab

[errant cloud]

you know what im unblocking you just for that remark jacob that was very good

i forget why i had you blocked anyway i think it was because you irritated me @ one point

[glass arch]

i completely forgot you blocked me lmao

i was being my usual self in #calamity-update-talk

(very sarcastic)

[errant cloud]

https://i.imgur.com/rADXA61.png

but yeah these

the xd emote is included for giggles

sharp things. grabby

find something to do with the grabby

do it roll? perhaps it roll.

do it climb and grab? perhaps it climb and grab

sky's the limit™️

[grim tusk]

@kindred creek have you by any chance have peeked at #1042197406776827914 and seen how fucking busted defensive builds are

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042197406776827914/1058595998122909726/2022-12-28_23-57-59_Trim_Trim.mp4 🗿

[distant gyro]

[errant cloud]

https://i.imgur.com/HBAhN3o.png

[distant gyro]

sec

[errant cloud]

god

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Void of Extinction An Actual Upgrade To Void of Calamity]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

dodges are insanely good

[grave zinc]

@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Greatly increase the amount of Cosmilite Bars DoG drops]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[errant cloud]

ah...uh...hm.

ok.

that supposed to happen?

[grim tusk]

Wait what

[crude geode]

has equinox shark even considered reality tbh

[small timber]

their only handicap is that for early game 90 second dodges is too long, but end game 90 second is perfectly justified

[errant cloud]

okeeee

i dont think thats supposed to happen

[kindred creek]

Ok, never mind, y’all have a fair point

[distant gyro]

triple drops is not happening

settle for +60%

[crude geode]

funny

[grim tusk]

Oh they literally just happened now i see em on github now

[errant cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-pawn-star-20bucks-the-best-i-can-do-the-best-i-can-do-is20bucks-gif-15253458

[hollow shell]

" It’s more effective to use a dash to counter or dash through attacks than have a dodge that is only available some of the time."
Hate to say it but, the former requires an action from the player while the latter is passive
so having the one with more effortful requirements of you be stronger sounds like correct balancing to me

[crude geode]

woah imagine

[kindred creek]

Then remove dodges from the game if not having to do anything is so good

[hollow shell]

(also yea the point about "balance bosses for dodges" is not only huge in scope but also kinda impossible? How do you "balance" bosses for you being able to just completely ignore damage sometimes?)

[grim tusk]

Thing is, stuff that gives dodges (minus black belt) often has other benefits

Such as BoC’s crit

[blazing kettle]

isnt hallowed armor in vanilla like, sorta super good?

[crude geode]

yes.

[grim tusk]

Abyssal Mirror’s stealth refill

[kindred creek]

Yea

[grim tusk]

Hallowed armor’s decent stats

[glass arch]

i mean its like balancing RoD for boss fights, you really cant without making it just a faster dodge

[crude geode]

ink bomb's. ink bomb.

[grim tusk]

Funny item

That one aint a dodge tho

[errant cloud]

i'm not energetic enough to go super deep into this topic but i will say in video games as a whole theres been ways to merge passive and manual mechanics. people have done it with this exact caliber too (dashing / jumping)

i am neither being apathetic nor empathetic here i am merely trying to be neutral and offer insight

[crude geode]

dmg effects on accessories try not to be underpowered/nonexistent

[errant cloud]

you can probably merge the two here in some way that doesnt compromise playability

[crude geode]

something something put dodge on a keybind you have to activate

[hollow shell]

byeah that was my first thought

Make it more like a [cough] [hack] Dark Souls roll

[kindred creek]

Not a bad idea.

[hollow shell]

or a Smash Bros dodge

[blazing kettle]

terraria overhaul

[crude geode]

DARK SOULS?!???????

[grim tusk]

So something like counter scarf but no cooldown?

[glass arch]

yeah lmao

[hollow shell]

Not no cooldown

[errant cloud]

looking forward to the day in april slr releases and t:o is still on the backburner, tbh

[hollow shell]

cuz, that'd require redoing every single boss fight in the game to account for you being able to be 'invincible' half the time like in Dark Souls

[grim tusk]

So then it’be just like having a ton of counter scarves

[blazing kettle]

just add more rng to have dodges fail

[hollow shell]

If you're gonna have a dodge with no cooldown then it better be a fucking 2 frame window with a million years of inactionable ending lag

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516928309058076672/884249368532770847/invincible.mp4

[glass arch]

i mean its a lot harder in a bossfight to remember to hit [button] to dodge which is why i like having the dash+dodge combo

[crude geode]

insert final dawn meme here

[errant cloud]

"yes sir ill have my steak medium rare with a side of devhell sprinkled with retroactive content bloat"

[grim tusk]

[errant cloud]

"an excellent choice"

[blazing kettle]

fun and perfectly balanced

[crude geode]

byeah my biggest problem with cooldown dodges has always been just. the concept of dodging like 2 damage and feeling bad about it

[kindred creek]

I’d say dodges early game aren’t as good because there aren’t that many big damage attacks that can one shot

Later game they because better because everything one shots

[blazing kettle]

are there any early game dodges?

[kindred creek]

Aside from ceaseless, easiest boss in the game

[errant cloud]

two shots/three shots*

[blazing kettle]

like prehm i assume?

[cobalt pewter]

I guess counter scarf?

[grim tusk]

Clearly, glass cannon

[cobalt pewter]

it is post skelly

[hollow shell]

Counter Scarf got moved to post-Skeletron sbeayh

[grim tusk]

BoC

[hollow shell]

oh right BoC

[blazing kettle]

ah right

[cobalt pewter]

BoC is a thing yes

[kindred creek]

Mage >

[blazing kettle]

i always forget about BoC

you can tell which evil i play more

[cobalt pewter]

and I think on Eclipse Mirror line, the dodge only happens from Abyssal Mirror onwards? I don't think Mirage Mirror nor Ink Bomb are dodges

[glass arch]

i play whichever evil the gods decide to bestow upon me

[grim tusk]

Indeed

Ink bomb is a discrepancy

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[crude geode]

me when inconsistency

[distant gyro]

2000 damage fart generator

that's closer to a thorns potion than a dodge

[crude geode]

Is that actually how much damage it does

[hollow shell]

The wiki actually does not state their base damage

Let me fix that

[distant gyro]

close enough

[hollow shell]

uhh

Okay so it looks like it spawns 20 clouds, and each of those clouds deals 22 base damage

Each cloud's iframes are such that they don't interrupt each other's hits but each one can only hit an enemy once
(usesLocalNPCImmunity and localNPCHitCooldown = -1)

so, 440 base damage if an enemy touches all the clouds

I think.

[crude geode]

What’s the health of a lava slime in Rev?

I wanna know if it can even like. Deal with that.

[hollow shell]

100 health in Expert vanilla (220 in Hardmode because funny)
And I legitimately don't know if Rev buffs enemy healths

[glass arch]

doesnt say any enemy hp buff on the general changes part of the wiki

just spawns are increased

[errant cloud]

scraping at my memory here from months and months of what ive seen but

no i dont think rev enemies get hp buffs

[hollow shell]

aight

[errant cloud]

it was designed that way to moderate the difficulty curve

[hollow shell]

So, yeah a Lava Slime will only need to touch 5 of the clouds to die

[crude geode]

Funny

Anyways I guess that sure do be a 22 dps accessory

If you hit all of the clouds

[hollow shell]

That doesn't math out unless you goad the enemy to hit the clouds one at a time spaced 1 second apart

[crude geode]

I’m counting the cooldown

Of 20 seconds

[hollow shell]

Kind of a reductive way to look at it but
yes I suppose it is accurate, then

[distant gyro]

the twist is that it applies rogue damage

rogue damage is innately affected by stealth

you gain +50% instant stealth with the effect

[cobalt pewter]

what are accessories that deal rogue damage again

[distant gyro]

that number is multiplying

[cobalt pewter]

I'm fairly sure Scuttler's Jewel is classless

[distant gyro]

typeless affected by rogue

similar to most additional projectiles

still gaining extra damage from the class but cannot proc class effects

[crude geode]

Is spore sac classless

[hollow shell]

It better be.

[crude geode]

I wanna see a funny rogue build use it to one shot like dragonfolly somehow

[distant gyro]

god knows

cba to dive into vanilla rabbit hole 15 minutes of computer lag

[hollow shell]

The Spore Sac wiki page has a lot of info on it but none of it pertains to what class the damage belongs to or if the damage can be boosted in any way
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Spore_Sac

speaks a lot to the differences in priority of vanilla versus Calamity I think

[distant gyro]

it's also approximating rather than giving a precise number

so that's just a lack of source verification

the solid about ~400 dps figure

[frosty trellis]

Casually facetanks one of the only two attacks designed to be unfacetankable

Calamity players: "Nah, defense is bad"

[small timber]

@waxen flower I am not sure how changing dedicated content to developer works nowadays, but you probably will have to ask mods first to see how it works

particularly RoverdriveX

usually if it is patreon donor you basically 100% have to ask the donor's permission, but for developers it is abit different I think (may or may not need permission or something like that)

[waxen flower]

should I ask him tomorrow?

[small timber]

you can just ping the mod now

@hollow shell sorry how does suggestion for changing developer's dedicated content works nowadays

since at some point I heard that developers' item do not require permission if the develop is long gone or something
(in this case it is Crystyl Crusher, mainly for fixing its clunky function I think)

[cobalt pewter]

asking for mod confirmation is optimal, but I checked the chat history a bit and

[small timber]

ok then yeah should be fine

[hollow shell]

Yep

Too old. It's fine to treat it like any other item.

[serene tendon]

Fair enough considering the costs are also getting decreased.

[small timber]

@prime quest the HP upgrades name are already being considered, they are just still trying to figure out a fitting name

so you probably just have to leave the name thing to the non-hp upgrades one

[swift wharf]

And it's reaper shark

Not reaper leviathan

[drowsy plank]

wait vanilla has catfish and flounder?

[errant bobcat]

Fish you can catch is flounder at ocean, idk about catfish tho

It might be a quest fish

[drowsy plank]

@prime quest having fishing catches is not the same as having two entities with the same name. one is an item, one it an npc. this is nothing like reaper and reaper shark. we already have thunderstorm (weapon) and thunderstorm (event) so im not really sure if this is worth the time

[drowsy plank]

ye it is

[small timber]

@worn pike you need more solid reasoning than just "other armors have ancient"

[worn pike]

Ok, I apologize

[small timber]

to my knowledge ancient version basically come from art server people who think the armor is cool and just make them

but yeah, the current spriter of victide armor basically leave the dev team so it will be harder?

[worn pike]

Just thought it was a bit weird, and liked the old textures a lot, then remembered that ancient armor was kinda the norm. Plus, they wouldn’t have to sprite anything, they’d just have to use old sprites and add items that are craftable with same mats at demon altar

[swift wharf]

recipe bloat

[small timber]

wait I just realise what ancient version of armor did calamity even added beside god slayer?

ancient is a norm is vanilla, but I dont remember it being a norm for calamity

[swift wharf]

auric?

[small timber]

(and even for vanilla it is not really that norm)

[swift wharf]

or is it vanities

[glass arch]

theres the old silva vanity helmets

i think ancient demonshade

[cobalt pewter]

and not even all armors have that

[small timber]

I dont think so, from the vanity wiki page there is only god slayer (full ancient version)

[cobalt pewter]

if we follow this logic

ancient empyrean armor should exist

[small timber]

and the vanity ones beside just straight up a different set (eg: scal armor) is only god slayer and silva of the other class variant

[cobalt pewter]

and it's fuckin

xeroc armor

[swift wharf]

💥

also why would you add old vicitde back

it's kinda janded............

[serene tendon]

Yeah, that armor was ugly.

[fervent orbit]

wulfrum helmet counts ig

[grim tusk]

@worn pike needs more reasoning and a title

[worn pike]

I apologize, that was my first suggestion.

I will revise it when I have the time

[grave zinc]

@spring sail - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add biome torches to be consistent with vanilla]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

nice

[distant gyro]

prism and sulphur are done

[keen zodiac]

[ashen warren]

they should add D.O.G as a summoner weapon ngl

[willow widget]

mechworm

[glass arch]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

Literally staff of the mechworm

And we already have DoG as a magic weapon in Apothesis

[glass arch]

we dont need 3 weapons that summon DoG

[frosty trellis]

^

[ashen warren]

ok ill take me leave cuz i feel like an idiot for forgetting that ngl

[willow widget]

nah, ur good dawg

[ashen warren]

i just got back into calamity after a while also why is the desert scoruge not blue anymore?

[willow widget]

oh man

[glass arch]

resprites

[ashen warren]

oh

[glass arch]

a hell of a lot of them

[willow widget]

must have been a WHILE

thats like 4 years ago iirc

or something like that

[glass arch]

before rust and dust at least

[ashen warren]

oh:o

[willow widget]

yeah, a lot has changed since

[ashen warren]

dang ima need to look into that more

[willow widget]

yep, never forget to use the wiki

very useful

[frosty trellis]

The correct wiki

Wiki.gg not fandom

[ashen warren]

this is my new computer my last one broke

oh hi

wait nah fr tho they should add pizza rolls as a food item like a meme item after beating supreme calmatas

lol

[blazing kettle]

it will be a THE LORDE drop

[ashen warren]

yessssssssss

[spring sail]

Great

[small timber]

@unreal orbit sorry you can't suggest 1.4.4 stuffs yet, to put it simply if something is not already in the game you can't suggest for it (in this case shimmer is not yet in tmodloader)

[hollow shell]

byeah, see the pin in this channel

[prime quest]

Don't forget Campfires.

[bright crag]

^

And Shimmered Cal NPCs will be added, there's no need to suggest it

[small timber]

shimmered drunk princess turn into the alicorn

[cobalt pewter]

I wouldn't be surprised if so

I'm more interested in other shimmered NPCs

Permafrost becomes a fire bender

Sea King becomes crusty

and Calamitas gets

gets

I don't wanna say it

[swift wharf]

calamitas becomes cal clone

or one of the old designs

[frail mantle]

there are none

iirc the one she has now is actually the first one they made

(in terms of the human form, that is)

[swift wharf]

I mean the humanoid ones

when she was still a cyclops

[cobalt pewter]

(I was gonna say maid due to the funny but yea)

[frail mantle]

[swift wharf]

👶

[frail mantle]

SCal never had any official humanoid designs before the one she uses now

[swift wharf]

clueless

[frail mantle]

you could just, like,

explain what the fuck you're talking about, you know

[swift wharf]

I am trying to find one of the designs in cal art

rude

[frail mantle]

find it faster then

ez

[swift wharf]

this is fucked u

p

i am finding 50 other scrapped designs but not what I want

ok i think i dreamed about it

[frail mantle]

source: it was revealed to me in a dream

[small timber]

@prime quest don't mention another person's suggestion in your suggestion (I think it is one of the rule), just say you want biome campfires

[prime quest]

Okay. But maybe the user could have not forgot about campfires to fill gaps.

[small timber]

I think main reason is prevent confusion or something I think (as otherwise you need to constantly referring to other people's suggestion for a suggestion)
and to certain degree this is also future content suggestion because biome torch are not officially added (yet), but you probably can find solid reasoning to just "add biome campfire" and disregard the biome torch suggestion you referred to

[prime quest]

Okay but as I said, making both biome torches and campfires would be great.

[frail mantle]

there's no issue with the idea itself

it just shouldn't be referring to another, separate suggestion for its reasoning

[spring sail]

I don’t know how I can edit my suggestions now, so just go ahead and post it yourself

[drowsy plank]

you know the more i hear about how dumb as shit warding is the more i think ironskin is fine actually

[frosty trellis]

[swift wharf]

isnt this already in voting

also

wrath being good != scaling

[rain jewel]

Oh it seems one got posted like in july and denied lol

But some potions got removed so that could change

[swift wharf]

#suggestions-voting message

december 14

[rain jewel]

195 stars and still not reviewed how many stars you want

[drowsy plank]

hey actually wait why the fuck is that one not passed yet, it has way more than some of the suggs that have been around it unless some dev has been manually approving some of them or something

it's not by count it's by time but even then it's weird because it's outranking some of its surrounding competition that did

[frosty trellis]

Hey @hollow shell , have any idea on that?

[rain jewel]

Some suggestions with less votes got reviewed, many there had like 200 stars and nothing

"Then, the suggestions with the top 20% votes in that group will be forward to the devs."

Also this system doesnt really make much sense I think

[frosty trellis]

I mean around it there was one with like 160 that went through

Yeah

I mean top 20% makes sense

Since it's supposed to gauge public opinion

[rain jewel]

But some suggestions could be good ideas that people dont care much about

For example, a suggestion that affects builders, I dont think most people do builds

[frosty trellis]

I mean it could be a good idea for some and not so much for others

Or just Wall Of Text moment

[frosty trellis]

Yeaaaaaaah it be like that sometimes

I star those generally as anything to help them out is always cool since I like seeing all the cool builds and shit

Amalgam is amazing

[rain jewel]

Weird channel to ask, but the dodge coupled with the extra damage makes it good

[frosty trellis]

Emblem Damage + Dodge

It's so nice

Amalgamated Brain is also viable until you get Amalgam due to the dodge and 10% damage

Not to mention when you dodge you get a crit bonus for 5 seconds which is nice

Nah

Amalgam is fine

[rain jewel]

No need, its good now

[frosty trellis]

Amalgam is like, S tier

[rain jewel]

F tier crafting recipe

Altought I do miss the fungal clump being strong

[frosty trellis]

Just use stealth rogue

[rain jewel]

Looks the same but deals 3000 base damage now for reasons

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[cobalt pewter]

that has always been the issue ever since suggestions needed stars

in fact the new requirements makes the entry levels more dynamic, allowing a lot more delivery rate than it was with a fixed star value

[drowsy plank]

^

this is true, it just seems to be a bit weird atm

im only bringing it up bc it seems more like an unintentional bug, or im just misreading the waves or something?

idk

[blazing kettle]

erm actually there was a concecpt sprite for her that looked humanoid but i doubt the spriter is on the team anymore, and i dont want to start with empathic untamed calamity

[versed cape]

@rain jewel I dont think ironskin needs to be changed because defense is op anyways

[rain jewel]

I just think -6 damage in a potion is too weak in comparison with the rest of the potions

[versed cape]

perhaps that is for the better

[hollow shell]

Difficult for me to investigate cuz I no longer have access to the dev server.

Best to ask @inland saddle or uh any other active dev/tester

[frosty trellis]

Oh frack, right you're not a dev now

[hollow shell]

m
I'm still doing the suggestion thing out of obligation as a moderator rather than a developer
.. and because of, established precedent

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Just that kind of stuff I'll just pong Nycro for next time

[hollow shell]

yeh. He'd be the best one to contact anyway cuz he has access to everything that goes on in the bot's back end too

[inland saddle]

That’s… weird

Lemme check something really fast

Okay, I discovered the issue

There was a slight restructure of permissions to the bot role in the dev server because we recruited some non-native English speaking people, and I developed a translation bot to make things easy

The suggbot never forwarded suggestions for that week because it didn’t have perms and we didn’t notice till 2 days later

I still ran the forwarding process whenever things got fixed, but it was still roughly 2 days behind schedule

And Suggs in that 2 day window were missed out on

Let me go ahead and manually forward them

[frosty trellis]

Aight

Ic

Makes sense I think

[rain jewel]

So my suggestion indirectly saved the world? Uff it gets tiresome to be a hero but its just in my instinct

[grave zinc]

@serene tendon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Ironskin Potion's effects scale with progression]

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You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sweet escarp - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove boss lore items and re-implement text in another form]

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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add A Combined Spawn Blocker Item]

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@sweet escarp - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[**Add Abyss Torch to the Torch God's Favor Biome Torch swap function **]

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[Remove Thorn Chakram from Terra Disk and Replace It With An Actual Rogue Weapon]

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[inland saddle]

Okay that should be all the ones that got left out (and possible a few more just to be safe)

[grave zinc]

@stable musk - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Guaranteed holy biome spawn]

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[inland saddle]

Sorry missed one

Now it’s good

[versed cape]

well done

[inland saddle]

Truly one of the most impactful heroes of our generation

[hollow shell]

Glad that got resolved swiftly
Thank you Nycro

[drowsy plank]

hella

[serene tendon]

"defense is OP" Journey-Master Malice FTW Jumpless Weaponless no-hitter elitists when something allows you to tank a couple hits:

[crude geode]

what

[glass arch]

defense acts how defense is made to act

minmaxing defense to be able to facetank, for example blender, is likely something you wont do normally

[serene tendon]

Yeah

The last thing it needs is a nerf lol

[versed cape]

it does not need a nerf but it does definitely not need a buff either

[glass arch]

10% less damage wow now i wont get hit by a 400 damage attack ill just get hit by a 360 damage attack

plus DR scaling exists

[serene tendon]

Which is also stupid imo

[versed cape]

bad argument

[ruby plover]

defense does need a nerf, you dont need to invest in too much defense to be able to tank a lot of stuff

[glass arch]

i mean its true

[ruby plover]

endgame warding, rampart of deities in particular, yeah

[glass arch]

rampart is stupid

[serene tendon]

Depends on the difficulty

[ruby plover]

well, this is calamity

so, at base, we are talking about revengeance

[glass arch]

in cal you still wont face tank everything bc defense damage

[serene tendon]

Minmaxing for defense means you aren't minmaxing for damage, meaning fights will last longer, balancing it out

[ruby plover]

defense damage regenerates too fast to be able to do much of anything

[ruby plover]

thats the thing though, you dont actually need to invest in much defense for it to be very strong

as i already said

[crude geode]

me when I miss out on 2% damage (this means my yharon fight will be 2 seconds longeR)

[ruby plover]

simply wearing rampart, sponge, and asgardian aegis is really all you need

[serene tendon]

It stops you from being able to just stand still and tank everything, and that's all it needs to do.

[glass arch]

rampart is mainly strong not because of defense but because of increased iframes and lowered potion cooldown

[ruby plover]

that being said it also provides a lot of defense, too

and even more when at reduced health

[drowsy plank]

if yall think defense isnt op maybe check the actual testing in #1042197406776827914 lmfao

[crude geode]

defense became really broken so people would actually use it, and we can very clearly see from the cal community how that worked out

[drowsy plank]

so true

[ruby plover]

yes, please

[fervent orbit]

defense is broken

[glass arch]

which one, the hour long exos fight where mpg facetanked blender

[fervent orbit]

i love it when i facetank the strongest move a boss has

[frosty trellis]

I've tanked something stronger than BLENDER for the record:

SCal bh4 (Bh5 isn't possible without Draedon heart byeah)

[serene tendon]

Depends on how tanky you think is too tanky

[glass arch]

you arent gonna minmax defense in a normal run

[serene tendon]

or how tanky you think is a tank build

[frosty trellis]

You frankly don't need too

You don't need to min-max defense in a normal setting

[drowsy plank]

didnt you tank it with a tester style build anyway

[frosty trellis]

Just have slightly above average defense and suddenly shit either can't kill you or has a very hard time killing you

[ruby plover]

ill just let mpg do the talking

i mean, they literally have tested this stuff, so

[frosty trellis]

BLENDER? No but you can take a lot of hits in a tester build

[crude geode]

I love arguing with discount testers

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[serene tendon]

I-frames seem to be more at fault here from what I saw

[ruby plover]

they must be a dev though

dont you see the coloured name?

[crude geode]

so true

[frosty trellis]

Lmaooo

[crude geode]

colored names = important

[ruby plover]

[serene tendon]

That would mean you're a dev, if we're going by that

[frosty trellis]

Cutting down iframes would prevent facetanking from being effective
But it doesn't change the overall thing of defense builds in general are just overpowered

[fervent orbit]

just use rampart

[frosty trellis]

There is very little downside, if any, to just go more defensive and you can just not die
Like, remove tracer iframes and cut down rampart iframes and nothing would've changed in my exos tainted burning sky run because if I didn't facetank BLENDER I would've never been below half hp

[fervent orbit]

its that good

[frosty trellis]

The only attack that you cannot facetank is Bh5 as the moons deal too much even with Lionheart shield and optimal accessory swapping

Without Draedon Heart

Or a revive but revives are cheaty for trying to facetank

[glass arch]

and with defense builds fights usually take longer, case in point: the hour long exos fight, so you're spending however long on a fight and most people dont like to spend that long on a fight

[fervent orbit]

just use permafrost concoction

[frosty trellis]

It would've taken an hour regardless because tainted is bugged to it doesn't scale with damage atm

[serene tendon]

Yeah, and the longer the fight, the more chances you have to die, so it's balanced

[frosty trellis]

Let me grab a different fight that uses a tank build that is under testing killltime

[serene tendon]

Obviously if you're really good you'll find defense OP because it covers up the few hits you do take

But not everybody's really good

[frosty trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSOxcnBsJWY&t=38s

4:40 kt, never went below half hp

[fervent orbit]

im shit at the game but i still think defense is op

[crude geode]

you don't need to be good to abuse defense

[frosty trellis]

And that was with greater healing pots bc I forgor to swap them out

[fervent orbit]

true

[serene tendon]

All A = B does not mean all B = A

[fervent orbit]

this isnt like full dmg where u die in one hit

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

If anything

If you're bad

You should be using defense to shore up your skill issue

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[frosty trellis]

It makes bad players tankier and makes fights easier to manage
It makes experienced players invincible

[serene tendon]

To an extent, yeah, but if you're bad you'll likely get hit a lot, and defense won't save you anyway

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

That's

No

[crude geode]

defense will save you

lol

[frosty trellis]

You can get hit a lot and still survive a ton

[fervent orbit]

the point of defense is that u dont die???

[glass arch]

if you play carelessly then defense wont completely save you

[ruby plover]

i wont bother to say stuff here, they clearly cant be persuaded

have fun y'all

[crude geode]

fr

[frosty trellis]

I'm sorry there is a reason people can survive 5 hits with pre moonlord gear fighting Yharon

[fervent orbit]

this guy plays blindfolded

theres no other reason why he thinks like this

[crude geode]

I blame the cal community more tbfh

it has an unhealthy addiction to damage

[frosty trellis]

Or just reaver tank and take 40> damage from everything until like ravager stomps with tank gear

[fervent orbit]

to be fair honest

[glass arch]

defense is in a weird situation

[rain jewel]

I just want the lemonade potion to be strong

[fervent orbit]

lemonade?

oh ironskin

[serene tendon]

Perhaps those 3 accs should be nerfed then, rather than defense as a whole

[wintry sonnet]

yharon plushie
(do it now)

[serene tendon]

So you have to sacrifice more

[frosty trellis]

You only need Rampart. I don't even use Aegis for SCal/Exos as I'm a void sash user

[fervent orbit]

for scal im an evasion scarf user

[glass arch]

yeah if its just 2 or 3 accessories you need to facetank everything then its those accessories specifically that need to be nerfed rather than defense as a whole

[fervent orbit]

joking i just use elysian guard once i beat provi

[serene tendon]

Sounds like Rampart being OP more than defense

[frosty trellis]

Rampart needs frozen shield less than 50% dr nerfed and iframes down from 50 to like 20
Asgardian is mostly fine, maybe 20 defense over 28 but it's not that bad
Sponge healing might need a slight nerf but it's overall not that bad

[rain jewel]

Bloodflare core sounds more op tbh

[frosty trellis]

Bloodflare core if you don't get chain hit is dumb

It needs the regen to be slowed down a bit

[swift wharf]

aegis needs trimming

[drowsy plank]

with the death of stims and other combo pots ironskin is prolly more worth it now

[rain jewel]

-6 damage 😮

[frosty trellis]

(Oh, as Asgardian Aegis needs to lose Elysian Guard)