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#suggestions-discussion
grim tusk
cobalt pewter
everytime something is said to happen "eventually" the mod's next update is delayed by a Decade
crude geode
cobalt pewter
well there you go, you got the year of the next update
hardy laurel
Doing anything to profaned enemies except toggling the spawns would not work well enough
Unicorns are rare enough that even zerg+chaos candle only spawns them every few minutes if at all
No reason to make farming unholy essence even more time consuming either
Essence/weapon drops
drowsy plank
just make a monolith/candle that blocks them in an area
slow lodge
why would they add one
we dont need any more like "infection" type biomes like the astral
slow lodge
i do think there should be something to disable the spawns for them but yk
slow lodge
the other guy
oh
midnight plover
any thoughts on the suggestion that I posted?
blazing kettle
i think its.. okay
midnight plover
I'm trying to nohit Yharon in death mode and this attack keeps killing me, I'm past 200 attempts now
frosty trellis
I personally have quite literally never had an issue with the projectile trail attack ever
Only issue I have with the fight is the slow bullet hells
midnight plover
it's usually fine, but when he does it in a bullet hell it seems unfair
frosty trellis
That's just subphase 5?
After the bhs he does a projectile trail based on player position
Either mostly omnidirectional or horizontally that leaves the little "geysers"
It's manipulatable if you don't want that
And you can always just.... Dash away from Yharon instead of into him for that atttack
Which is literally what I always do
midnight plover
if you dash away from him when he is dashing at you wouldn't that make you stay extremely close to him or even in his hitbox?
frosty trellis
I mean that's usually not an issue for me
I generally play aggressive with Yharon so I use that to my advantage
I've fought Yharon over 500 times now so I have experience with subphase 5
midnight plover
The way i usually do the bullet hells is get him to start them on one side of the arena and then move to the opposite side
small timber
you can manipulate the projectile dash for it to miss completely
you just have to line up horizontally to yharon, wait for the projectile trail (dash) to happen then you start falling down
is the attack hard? yes, is it undodgeable? no
so the tldr of this suggestion is mostly just a nerf rather than "fix unreasonable attack" I will say
frosty trellis
I don't find the omnidirectional dashes unreasonable in any regard even if I get caught in a bad position
small timber
in fact that one (bullet hell then projcetile trail) I think is still fine, hardest one for me is when Yharon do Bullet Hell - Flare - Double charge
frosty trellis
Even after a bullet hell
midnight plover
in fact that one (bullet hell then projcetile trail) I think is still fine, hard...
the one in the first phase?
small timber
I think it is like, subphase 5? the first phase (in phase 2) of death mode and second phase (in phase 2) of revengeance mode
this is the sequence I am referring to
bullet hell -> flare -> double charge -> bullet hell -> trail dash
if you are at wrong part of arena this shit will just hit you most of the time
frosty trellis
Flare into double charge feels so bullshitty at times
Bc of how damned long the flare rings last
And they don't dissapear when Yharon transitions between subphases which is very rude and annoying and can make getting into a good spot in ph7 without getting hit harder than it needs to be
midnight plover
this is the sequence I am referring to
i've never seen yharon do the flare ring inside of a bullet hell, i think bc of my weapon i get straight into subphase 6
he just does 3 flare rings in a row usually
small timber
3 flare rings in a row is ultra melt basically, but it is not your fault
midnight plover
phangasm
small timber
they removed transition invincibility and give yharon DR instead and it is not enough
phangasm is top tier weapon on yharon, like one of the best, so it make sense
midnight plover
i'm still well within the minimum nohit limit for yharon, but subphase 6 is like 90% of the second phase for me
small timber
for reference the "intended killtime" of yharon is 4 minute compare to "minimum nohit length" of yharon which is 2 minute
so supposedly subphase 5 (usually) should last a while
but yeah this is off topic since this is not even the attack the suggestion is talking about
midnight plover
i also use adren at the start of phase 2 so that probably changes it a bit lol
small timber
i also use adren at the start of phase 2 so that probably changes it a bit lol
that is instant melt into subphase 6 basically yeah
midnight plover
I thought there was something after subphase 6 because it seems like he gets way faster at like 15%, but i guess subphase 6 just has a lot of attacks
grave zincBOT
@lethal badge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[QoL change to Providence]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
frozen hornet
Ayo
grave zincBOT
@rotund tree - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Make Providence check for Underworld before Hallow when spawned]
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
willow widget
nice
glass arch
so many prov suggs lmao
willow widget
thats a big one
rotund tree
bright crag
if you dash away from him when he is dashing at you wouldn't that make you stay ...
You can fall using slime
That'll cause him to miss the aimed projectile dash
Avoid lining up with Yharon horizontally
After a bh (in p2), you should be under Yharon's X axis
This way, you can avoid the trail dash or the carpet bomb more easily
hardy laurel
I'm trying to nohit Yharon in death mode and this attack keeps killing me, I'm p...
The bullet charge he does is significantly easier to dodge than his regular ones. I don't even have to dash most of the time he does it, just move out of the way instead of dashing into him. Also if he's doing it during a bullet he'll you could use the normality relocator to dodge it
But yeah that attack is like the only one I haven't gotten hit by when fighting him
I think a better solution would be a different sound for the bullet charge than the regular charge
Or tweak the non-random-spread bh attack
small timber
@topaz eagle establish a reason as to "why we should get a hardmode fungal clump upgrade" rather than just say you want one
what benefit does it bring to the game, why we need it etc etc
rather than just "I like the item therefore I want an upgrade"
topaz eagle
<@273156633427705856> establish a reason as to "why we should get a hardmode fun...
well first off
extra dps
second
cobalt pewter
I forgot Clump is no longer used in the Amalgam
topaz eagle
the healing is very nice
small timber
there are a lot of things that do "extra dps"
cobalt pewter
these are very weak reasons
small timber
there are a lot of things that give healing
topaz eagle
who doesnt love fungal clump
cobalt pewter
I do
topaz eagle
life drain is good
small timber
who gives a fuck about fungal clump
topaz eagle
take that back
sullen swan
cobalt pewter
okay your opinion is not worth a salt
moving on!
small timber
well the life drain is like, basically the only valid reason; things like "a summoner lifesteal weapon" when melee already have high defense, ranger can get healing later from like bloodflare arrow, mage just have a lot of healing set, rogue has a lot of healing gear.. and so on
but turns out lifesteal is really overpowered so you need to have better reason as to why they should add one 
topaz eagle
wait
true
just add a summoner weapon that uses fungal clump along with it for lifesteal on summoner
but then thats like gonna help with weapon clogging
small timber
that become even more specific than your initial suggestion, and probably have 0% chance to get implemented
cobalt pewter
rogue has a bit too consistent of lifesteal imo iirc
not sure about other classes but excluding classless stuff (like clump), rogue has already got lifesteal since Perforators
and I don't think there's any point after where rogue doesn't have lifesteal
hardy laurel
Lmao literally the elementals and the profaned guardian thing and the old duke mushroom are upgraded fungal clump, they just don't have lifesteal
The elementals have healing
And I think one of the profaned guards has healing
warm crypt
The crystal one has the healing. And that's the one that's guaranteed with the Profaned Artifact.
hardy laurel
An accessory that combines every single helper minion accessory would be cool I guess
Maybe a "fungal heart" or smth
Add clump and old duke to elemental heart
More screen clutter is always nice
Feel like that would be a shadowspec item though
cobalt pewter
More screen clutter is always nice
that statement is so wrong
screen clutter is the last thing you want on endgame fights
hardy laurel
You ever heard of sarcasm?
cobalt pewter
you ever use your sad excuse for a brain for 5 minutes and realize that sarcasm cannot ever be portrayed properly through just text
anyways combination items are good if the effects / spawns are merged in some ways
hardy laurel
Haha they're mad
cobalt pewter
unfortunately that's what cal literally does not do
warm crypt
Feel like that would be a shadowspec item though
I doubt it'd be Shadowspec tier. The strongest they get combined is roughly upto Yharon i think.
swift wharf
ultimate accessories 🤢
hardy laurel
I guess, I was just thinking that cus the old duke one already has amazing dps
Honestly I just want the elementals to be viable late-game ;-;
swift wharf
the elementals need to be viable period
hardy laurel
But that's never gonna happen
swift wharf
hote is mid
hardy laurel
I'd take %15 more damage over elementals
The main problem I have with summoner is that it has so many damn accessories
Scroll, scarab scroll, then all the upgrades to the other minion slot ones
Gotta make sacrifices for boots
warm crypt
Yeah. You can't exactly make room for extra minions and other stuff in hard mode which sucks.
hardy laurel
If they made the scrolls merge into the other accessories and therefore not work in conjunction that would be nice
Merge both scrolls and increase the minion slot gain by 1
1 less minion but 2 more accessories
Idk
hardy laurel
just make a monolith/candle that blocks them in an area
That hasn't been done with literally any other spawn blocker so why do that for this one
Other than the tranquility candle I guess but that's cus it's a candle that blocks everything anywhere
warm crypt
Yeah, there needs to be some kind of profane enemy blocker like with the anti cyst ointment or siren earmuffs. Imagine forgetting the tax collector in hard mode and trying to find him after Moon Lord.
hardy laurel
Oh and both papyrus scrolls are a 15% damage increase in addition to the minion slot
I think
Maybe only 10%?
Pretty sure it's 15
hardy laurel
Yeah, there needs to be some kind of profane enemy blocker like with the anti cy...
True, though the tax collector is pointless at that point anyway
In terms of function
warm crypt
Yeah... The Bandit helps out a lot more with getting extra money.
hardy laurel
Red devils are the main thing in the underworld that someone would forget about because there's really no reason to go to the underworld after brimstone elemental
Is calamity gonna make shimmered versions of it's npcs?
small timber
there is always a cost for "combining items", which is why very little of these items exist
because in terraria there is no cost: you just get on progression and you get the item
for example of "combined item effect" just look at Rampart of Deities which is probably the single most overpowered defense accessory in the game, for the simple reason that it combine so many useful effect into one
having like fungal clump/crystal/HOTE combination (or so called "helper minion combined accessory") is basically the samething
hardy laurel
Ye I was just daydreaming with that one
maybe only merge the two scrolls, make it 2 slots and 15% damage
Or 1 slot 30%
Even 1 slot 25%
Cus having accessory room is the biggest upside
Around providence on my summoner I had to sacrifice papyrus scroll in order to use bootwings
Or deific
small timber
which SHOULD be the case, you pick the accessory that you want, you sacrifice something for another
hardy laurel
Yes but it's annoying having 7 accessories that increase minion slots
It feels like there is a merge that is missing
small timber
the game is not balanced around 7 minion slots accessories
in fact, they balanced around 3, or maybe 4, max
hardy laurel
Lmao, maybe I just like minion slots too much
small timber
I dont think they even stacked scarab with statis blessing for testing (which shouldn't be a thing by the way, because every other minion slots accessories dont stack with downgrade except scarab for some reason because of vanilla code difficulty or something)
yeah
drowsy plank
That hasn't been done with literally any other spawn blocker so why do that for ...
exactly
small timber
difficulty in changing vanilla item or something I think
or at least that is the reason I got last time I asked about it
drowsy plank
unless ur saying we need more one off items that clutter ur inv for no reason, adding a toggleable furniture item would let you set it up in farms without having to carry it around everywhere since you only use it in two biomes anyway and it fixes the issue of being unable to farm in a more unique way
small timber
well vanilla just added a bunch of inventory toggle item like encumbering stone so that doesn't exactly help the case
at least starting from 1.4.4 void bag can be favourable or something so should help
drowsy plank
encumb stone existed already and the books can be merged and other than those i think that is it meanwhile cal has like 7 that just "stop 'x' from spawning"
small timber
well you never need all 7 at once
drowsy plank
this would be more interesting and useful for the one scenario youd use em in (farming)
hardy laurel
Do both, blocker book and profaned blocker
drowsy plank
lol
hardy laurel
well vanilla just added a bunch of inventory toggle item like encumbering stone ...
God I really want new void bag in calamity just for a good place to put the potions for bosses
And I want new buff limit so I don't have to use another mod for that
Why did they ever have a 22 buffimit
warm crypt
You need that many buffs?
small timber
because having a lot of buffs without limit is really overpowered
just vanilla's execution is garbage with things like pets taking buff slot for some reason which ruins it so they do the nuke button of "just make it so buff limit no longer matters"
hardy laurel
Once you get cirrus' candles your summons start vanishing
Especially with bosses that debuff you
small timber
which should be the case, you need to pick what you use carefully so choice matter more
hardy laurel
Bruh
small timber
just yeah minions/summons and cosmetic like pets should never take out buff slot in the first place
hardy laurel
Magic might also run into that problem cus 2 more buff potions
small timber
that is a nice problem to have because turns out ranger literally cannot get enough class specific buff to reach the limit
hardy laurel
True
small timber
magic even has alcohols while ranger has archery potion (1) and boom, done
(ammo reservation being "relevant" is pure copium, by the time you reach 22 to the point that using ammo reservation is a cost chances are you dont care about spending ammo anymore)
hardy laurel
Ammo box is useless too
Meanwhile bewitching table is literally essential for summoner
Having bosses remove your buffs because of a buff limit just feels like bad design rather than "oh you have to sacrifice your buffs so that doesn't happen"
cobalt pewter
I think Rampart materials can get an upgrade, but get rid of the combination
I think.
hardy laurel
Eh
small timber
well just imagine how many people gonna complain about it
fossil finch
when the suggestion is! probqably not possible!
i guess you could disable platform collision when on x mounts but
cobalt pewter
calamity players cannot accept change whatsoever
fossil finch
good god
hardy laurel
when the suggestion is! probqably not possible!
But witch's broom in vanilla does it
small timber
yeah I dont know if that is even possible so I just didnt comment on it since I dont know coding
hardy laurel
And also it doesn't make you one block taller
small timber
are you sure it is not because of witch broom falling so slow that it passes through the platform horizontally
fossil finch
im pretty sure they infact do as standard in calamity
also anyways i am also pretty sure calamity does infact not change that
cobalt pewter
most cal mounts up your hitbox by a block p sure yea
fossil finch
are you sure of what you are describing
are you sure it is not a bug
and vanilla ones too
hardy laurel
are you sure it is not because of witch broom falling so slow that it passes thr...
No because cosmic car key falls slower and it has that problem
Car key had and has that problem in vanilla
Before and after broom
small timber
well at least cosmic car key dont seem to have that problem
hardy laurel
Really?
Maybe they fixed it
But it used to do that and I know the brimthrone does
And it still makes you one block taller for literally zero reason
small timber
yeah that one have that problem
hardy laurel
Other than it being a mount
small timber
then your suggestion need to be more specific to single out the ones that does that
hardy laurel
Yeah I'm not on terraria right now so I couldn't check
small timber
because fishron truffle mount also dont have that problem
hardy laurel
Which is also vanilla
small timber
well looking at it your suggestion will be literally just brimrose
unless other vanilla mount does it
it make sense for non-infinite flight/ground mount to be stopped by platform, while exo box for sure is not stopped by platform
hardy laurel
Maybe cus brimrose mount is older so it's modeled after car key
small timber
@hardy laurel only 2 suggestions are allowed per day per person
small timber
(suggestion no.N to make fishing even more worthless than it currently already is)
hardy laurel
Imo fishing should be saved for vanities and pets because no one's gonna do it anyway
small timber
suggestion no.N+1 to make fishing even more worthless than it currently already is
cobalt pewter
suggestion no.N+1 to make fishing even more worthless than it currently already ...
you mean N+1
hardy laurel
Is that in the don'ts or are you just saying that cus fishing is worthless
Other than titan scale potions
And getting crates is more boring and more time consuming than searching the entire biome
small timber
you mean N+1
corrected
cobalt pewter
hardy laurel
Also I couldn't find the suggestion limit anywhere in the easily accessible rules so maybe put that somewhere visible?
Unless I'm blind
small timber
small timber
because 90% of people do not post more than 2 per day, and you kinda are expected to read through the doc already (since otherwise their suggestion have like 80% chance to just be invalid in some way anyway)
hardy laurel
I did read it, it's kind of hard to tell what's a new don't and what's a continuation of a different one
cobalt pewter
because 90% of people do not post more than 2 per day, and you kinda are expecte...
I am the storm that is approaching
(I was one of the bigger reasons that rule was made)
hardy laurel
Lmao
quartz tulip
It's pretty easy to fish up a bast statue with lategame fishing accessories
I got 2 in ~3 minutes of fishing
hardy laurel
Yeah, however, fishing
quartz tulip
I'd argue that the crimson/corruption effigies are much worse in this regard, as there's often only 1 or 2 in the world and are not renewable
hardy laurel
Yes, however, I don't use them
Lmao, imo fishing doesn't fit perfectly in terraria as an essential in the first place, though many people love it
I'd rather not be forced into it
inner anvil
A more reliable way to aquire the bast statue.
@hardy laurel We added a recipe for it next update.
bright crag
Imo fishing should be saved for vanities and pets because no one's gonna do it a...
That's just false :p
People absolutely will fish for stuff
small timber
"Suggestion: Make Quest Fish Craftable"
'Reason: e mien gud angler quest is kancel and sulphuring plz juz lez me git mien fin wing'
warm crypt
Aquatic Scourge and the Ocean Duo make the quests useless.
hardy laurel
And I'm not saying remove fishing, I'm saying that it shouldn't be the one and only way to get certain items reliably
bright crag
Such as?
hardy laurel
Bast statue
bright crag
And well, with as much QoL we already have for fishing, it's not that much of a deal, is it
Compared to vanilla, where you'd have to fish with way less accessories and potions
small timber
fishing is definitely like, fine; you can get a lot of crates by stacking enchanted pearl with crate potion, get a bunch of fishing power from supreme tackle station and so on
the only thing it need is just make the "multi-rod fishing rods" more spread out in terms of upgrade then it is fine
currently you have plantera 2 rod, then golem like 5 rod then DoG 10 rods
hardy laurel
I don't want to have to get all of that stuff just for one crate drop
swift wharf
you can always explore to find bast statue
small timber
oh right uelibloom 6 I guess
swift wharf
bright crag
you can always explore to find bast statue
^
swift wharf
If you don't want to explore
fish
If you don't want to fish
explore
shrimple as that
small timber
the main reason fishing exist is so that they are the realiable way to obtain items
swift wharf
^
hardy laurel
I'll do that for crystal serpent, or titan scale potions
swift wharf
It's the plan B
hardy laurel
you can always explore to find bast statue
Sandstone chest loot is cluttered
small timber
the actual way to obtain these items are literally to explore the place where you find them, ie underground desert
hardy laurel
Also none of this matters anymore they're adding a recipe
swift wharf
Sandstone chest loot is cluttered
Then fish
If they're adding a recipe then why did you mention Bast Statue in the first place
bright crag
Also if I'm not mistaken 1.4.4 will make Bast Statues spawn placed down on the biome
hardy laurel
Yes that is a thing and I love it cus you can just follow the buff
That's what I mean about more reliably
swift wharf
shrine effigy moment
hardy laurel
Hell even just throwing a guaranteed bast statue in the desert shine would be nice
hardy laurel
Adding a recipe is overkill imo
And also the solution used for basically everything else
But whatever
swift wharf
Recipes are indeed something
hardy laurel
Does the suggestion limit count ones I've deleted or just the ones still in the channel?
swift wharf
I think you still need to wait
hardy laurel
I want to suggest a candle that increases rare enemy spawns
Idk how that would pan out code-wise though
bright crag
Yeah, I agree that recipes should be generally avoided
There are more creative ways to make items accessible
hardy laurel
Put two bast statues facing the chest in the desert shrine
So they act as a shrine guide aswell
That would be a cool shrine finder system, a statue that gives a buff telling you that a shrine is nearby
hardy laurel
Throw that in #suggestions-posting for me so it doesn't look like I'm suggesting over and over
swift wharf
no
hardy laurel
Damn
bright crag
That would be a cool shrine finder system, a statue that gives a buff telling yo...
Wouldn't be too much of a help since now they have special lighting
You can spot them from a distance regardless
Well, except maybe Crimson
hardy laurel
Yeah but they have to be on or close to on your screen for that
A different idea could be shrine fairies
For a little more guidance than just a buff
How are you even supposed to be able to find the caverns shrine in a large world
With statues they can also work as cool world decoration if done right
drowsy plank
bad sugg considering they have gone on record saying they arent going to add items to help find shrines
drowsy plank
it's supposed to be one of the things that adds replayability
how would that even work
just use metal detector
hardy laurel
Like bast statues
drowsy plank
??????
hardy laurel
Like candles
drowsy plank
use metal detector this is solving a non-existent problem
hardy laurel
Metal detector gets cluttered by literally everything
hardy laurel
And all it'll say is "chest detected nearby" right?
hardy laurel
No it doesnt
drowsy plank
plus the shrines are bigger now anyway
hardy laurel
Wait it does
drowsy plank
plus what makes more sense;
-using the literal treasure detector
-some random bloat buff to indicate when you are close to it (it would already be on screen at this point considering they are like 8 times bigger now)
bright crag
Yeah but they have to be on or close to on your screen for that
Buffs only work close to your screen so
And also
Let's say that, next update, there will be a precise way to locate Onyx Excavator
(Can't tell you the details)
bright crag
A general shrine-finding item is still a point of controversy among devs
Some want it, some don't
Though for now most don't
serene tendon
A general shrine-finding item is still a point of controversy among devs
Some wa...
I don't think it's a good idea
drowsy plank
just make it hardmode exclusive when they become useless anyway 
serene tendon
Part of the point of shrines is you don't find all of them in each game
only a couple
hardy laurel
I just didn't know how much they got changed
serene tendon
just make it hardmode exclusive when they become useless anyway <:HDfailure:4822...
But then what's the point?
bright crag
In normal exploration you still wouldn't
The shrine-finding item would be for people willing to actively seek them out
hardy laurel
Lmao make it a fishing drop
bright crag
Because some people (myself included) think it would be a shame to miss out of the shrine accessories
drowsy plank
But then what's the point?
to make it easier to collect them for the sake of it, or building, since i could just crystal crusher my world to find em at that point, and there's nothing stopping you anyway
bright crag
Lmao make it a fishing drop
No
You're not supposed to have many of them
And also, they are exploration rewards
drowsy plank
if i wanna shove it in an item frame in hardmode, why not, yknow?
serene tendon
to make it easier to collect them for the sake of it, or building, since i could...
"I could just Crystal Crusher my world to find them" Just let players do that then
hardy laurel
This is what fishing is for, since fishing is something that not everyone will choose to do, make the shrine finder (something that not everyone will want to get) a fishing drop
serene tendon
simple
drowsy plank
"I could just Crystal Crusher my world to find them" Just let players do that th...
well that's just very tedious
hence the item's purpose
swift wharf
This is what fishing is for, since fishing is something that not everyone will c...
calamity already buffs fishing a ton so it wont be an issue
serene tendon
well that's just very tedious
Nothing forces anyone to do that
bright crag
Yeah
Which is why I would like to have an item that hints at the shrine locations - so that players can put in the effort to find them if they wish to
Because rn you have to rely completely on luck, which is not engaging at all
drowsy plank
Nothing forces anyone to do that
that is a nothing statement
nothing forces people to play the game at all actually
that doesnt disprove my point tho
bright crag
"I could just Crystal Crusher my world to find them" Just let players do that th...
Yeah but what would be the purpose of finding them after they become useless
serene tendon
Are we supposed to add an item that digs a 4-wide hole for ppl who want to quarentine their evil biomes?
Same deal
drowsy plank
that is nothing like what im saying
bright crag
I mean, there's Scarab Bombs
They don't do the job alone, they let you put in the effort to do it
A shrine item would be similar - a tool for someone willing to use it
hardy laurel
Wulfrum mining drones exist
blazing kettle
Yeah
Which is why I would like to have an item that hints at the shrine location...
why not have a draedon log mention them?
drowsy plank
wacky
serene tendon
that is nothing like what im saying
They're both unnecessary tasks, where the player can choose to endure a little tedium if he/she really wants it
drowsy plank
ok but we have items to help with the latter
hardy laurel
Mining out your entire world is not comparable to containing evil
bright crag
why not have a draedon log mention them?
Hard to do that
Since shrine locations aren't static, and the Draedon log text is
drowsy plank
so im saying do the same for the former
drowsy plank
i feel like you're missing the point
im saying add them so you dont have to world nuke your world to find them
serene tendon
ok but we have items to help with the latter
Like what, apart from items that increase mining speed in general?
hardy laurel
Clentaminator, biome sight potions in the newest vanilla
serene tendon
im saying add them so you *dont* have to world nuke your world to find them
That's like saying Re-Logic should add an item that locates the Dirtiest Blocks
drowsy plank
also true
bright crag
How useful are the Dirtiest Blocks?
hardy laurel
No, because dirtiest block has no function
drowsy plank
lets not discuss relogic game design decisions
serene tendon
Clentaminator, biome sight potions in the newest vanilla
He was talking about things added by Calamity
bright crag
You're not missing out on anything for not finding Dirtiest Blocks
drowsy plank
the other rare pet from core keepers can be seen on metal detector so it's not like there isnt a prescedent for this stuff anyway
hardy laurel
No? Scarab bombs are vanilla
bright crag
You are, however, missing out on unique accessories by not finding shrines
drowsy plank
No? Scarab bombs are vanilla
im saying items to do this exist
serene tendon
No, because dirtiest block has no function
Fair enough
drowsy plank
plus dirtiest block is a joke anyway. the rarest item being a pet form of the most common item in the game is the joke. actually rare but nice pets have ways to be found better
hardy laurel
Dirtiest block is closer to the boss rush reward than anything
serene tendon
im saying add them so you *dont* have to world nuke your world to find them
I'm saying we don't need to contribute to item bloat for the 0.1% of players that want to collect everything
hardy laurel
Ah yes, 1 item is bloat
serene tendon
plus dirtiest block is a joke anyway. the rarest item being a pet form of the mo...
Fair, guess that wasn't the best comparison
bright crag
0.1% isn't true
serene tendon
Ah yes, 1 item is bloat
Every little bit matters
swift wharf
I'm saying we don't need to contribute to item bloat for the 0.1% of players tha...
but then terra edge is okay]
hardy laurel
Remove shrines, put the accessories into crates
drowsy plank
but then terra edge is okay]
so true!!!!
bright crag
1 item isn't bloat if it serves a proper purpose
bright crag
And yeah, what's the point of making shrines purely luck and being neglected almost every pt
serene tendon
redundant weapon bloat is okay but useful items are not
"useful", huh? Terra Edge was more useful than this item would be
If only by a little
drowsy plank
me when ana and levi get a spawn item that isnt just "hold left click to summon" but it is removed because "bloat"
swift wharf
hardy laurel
Make DOG spawn if you have the chaos state debuff in space, fixes item bloat
drowsy plank
me when terra blade 2 vs. 6 unique accessories
small timber
terraedge is so useful that it is gonna be terra blade v2.0 but worse
but yeah mostly is just because the quality between the 2 weapon that is supposed to be the same will be so large that people will never use terraedge
bright crag
"useful", huh? Terra Edge was more useful than this item would be
No, not really
serene tendon
Make DOG spawn if you have the chaos state debuff in space, fixes item bloat
That has other issues. A non-item summon for DoG would be cool though
small timber
they already are trying to gut crimson/corruption separation thing and terrablade rework was probably the perfect excuse to do it
hardy laurel
Yoooo when is calamity gonna re-sprite all the swords to fit with new vanilla swords
serene tendon
they already are trying to gut crimson/corruption separation thing and terrablad...
Which I don't agree with
drowsy plank
Yoooo when is calamity gonna re-sprite all the swords to fit with new vanilla sw...
2kEventually
tbf i think they've already started updating the texture pack at least
small timber
woah look at this amazing design
serene tendon
still gonna happen tho <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
I know, just giving some background for why I thought Terra Edge should stay
small timber
surely having the exact same weapon but completely different projectile behaviour will not make one of them completely useless compare to the other
surely
hardy laurel
The rays are alright cus they have different effects tho
Well yeah
Night ray is better in every way
drowsy plank
just put them in diff places in progression fr
serene tendon
surely having the exact same weapon but completely different projectile behaviou...
It wouldn't, if Crimson and Corruption would be properly separated
drowsy plank
make them two parts of the same line
small timber
@frosty trellis ok I need to summon you for this, Carnage Ray or Night Ray is better, performance wise
frosty trellis
Nights Ray
Not even a question
Unless you are like a billion blocks away from WoF nights is 30+ seconds faster
drowsy plank
i already sugg'd this but just move the crimson stuff to post WoF like Carnage was and then they can both exist but in unique spots in progression
frosty trellis
And getting that far away with the enrage generally doesn't work
drowsy plank
lol
small timber
well the devs dont need to explain
swift wharf
It's a factual statement
small timber
just silently put the gutted weapons in the changelog
swift wharf
TRUE
drowsy plank
i still think my post-WoF idea is the best way to not waste the crim variants of night weps since Carnage exists
frosty trellis
Carnage was moved and is the 4th worst weapon in the mod
Because it's beyond bad
And very boring
drowsy plank
this is true but it can be fixed
hardy laurel
So, abandoned labs
drowsy plank
what if you just made them spawn near other unique biomes (mush, granite, marble)
swift wharf
just fix the shpc recipe idk
drowsy plank
why would draed have a lab in random cavern layer anyway lmfao
hardy laurel
True
crude geode
just fix the shpc recipe idk
“fix”?
hardy laurel
Ooooo you could also make one of the blueprints give you the recipe for sus scrap
hardy laurel
But this one makes sense ;-;
Make it drop from turrets or repair drones?
Also have a chance to find it in the big labs?
swift wharf
Recipes for everything in the mod
TRUE
drowsy plank
ive got a thought i might type up on my PC
swift wharf
i still need to learn modding so I can make an addon for cal recipes
but that requires booting terraria
🥴
drowsy plank
so true
hardy laurel
Give the armored digger a purpose by making it drop sus scrap?
swift wharf
that kind of just goes back to shpc being dropped by a worm
bright crag
Hades, you do realize Suspicious Scraps are only needed in HM right
They're found in an specific layer (Cavern), and are plentiful
By the time the Scraps are useful, you already have the means to find them effectively
bright crag
Give the armored digger a purpose by making it drop sus scrap?
Sus Scrap is intended specifically to be found through exploration
It's the plan for SHPC, which is a Legendary weapon
That's just really bad luck then
hardy laurel
Add a dungeon finder
crude geode
Why don’t you find some bitches
hardy laurel
I found your mother
hardy laurel
Lmao
frosty trellis
That's just really bad luck then
2/8 when it's a 33% chance is actually slightly worse than expected odds
That's the problem I have is the labs can just not contain the scrap more often than not
Which means you can spend literal hours finding labs and get maybe 1-2
As I've experienced several times
bright crag
Where have you explored for them?
I suggest looking in the Jungle lava layer, I found a ton of labs there when I was looking for them
frosty trellis
Just all around
Jungle, normal, below the tundra, etc.
Last time I played mage I believe I was about 3 in 14
I've never once obtained SHPC legitimately because it's just pure RNG to get the scraps
drowsy plank
prolly
frosty trellis
Yeah
They should for sure
33% chest drop just isn't reliable
Especially with the weird spawns of the labs
crude geode
if it's 1-2 per chest with a 33% chance then yeah it should probably be increased
small timber
if they are guaranteed drop I will say it is fair
crude geode
yeah
small timber
but yeah, finding one through exploration and just getting nothing is often just a middle finger to the player than anything else (especially if they are trying to explore specifically for the weapon)
hardy laurel
Suggestion updated in accordance
frosty trellis
Anything from fandom needs to die because they are not cool it's just soul of eternity but calamity or just weapons that turned into accessories
willow widget
real
hollow shell
@vast jackal Incredibly broad and incredibly weak suggestion
Also everything fake on the Fandom wiki was designed to sound ridiculous and unrealistic
golden tulip
the community remix in question:
keen zodiac
frozen hornet
Out of like 8 labs I found I got 2 scrap
They're guaranteed to spawn in the egg shaped labs
These
hardy laurel
no? im pretty sure ive found those without sus scrap
oh it is, but ive never found 4 of em in one world so still
glass arch
yeah its not a guarantee in any of them
frozen hornet
Well duh it has 4 different sprites
glass arch
but theres no change in it
While it is guaranteed to find Suspicious Scrap in an Abandoned Research Facility, the chance to find one in the Abandoned Workshops varies based on world size, to compensate for the varying amount of laboratories.
Suspicious Scrap has a:
-100% chance to generate in small worlds.
-50% chance to generate in medium worlds.
-33% chance to generate in large worlds.
frozen hornet
That's exactly what I said
frozen hornet
okay
glass arch
its only in 1 that its guaranteed
frozen hornet
the egg shaped lab is called the abandoned research facility
glass arch
yes
frozen hornet
I said they're guaranteed in the egg shaped lab which is called the abandoned research facility
glass arch
"While it is guaranteed to find Suspicious Scrap in an Abandoned Research Facility..."
there are multiple that can generate
only one of them is guaranteed to have it
frozen hornet
It literally says "the following set of loot can be found in all Abandoned Research Facilities"
why the fuck am I arguing this even
glass arch
are you accidentally using fandom
frozen hornet
Have a look yourself if you don't believe me https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Security_Chest
Christ man
glass arch
and yet it says different on the sus scrap page
frozen hornet
So what
frozen hornet
😭 people really be this adamant on winning arguments on stupid stuff
ripe owl
@vast jackal
- That's not how mods work. Modders won't add items just because, especially into mods this big already
- Fandom is not an official wiki, so everything there is obviously fake and in some cases even hard to replicate
glass arch
- It would be cool is not a valid reason
ripe owl
That too
Well that actually applies to the first point
Because modders won't add things because it "sounds really cool"
")"
rotund tree
only one of them is guaranteed to have it
all research facilities have one scrap
bright crag
Dw, devs agreed (unanimously, I think) to increase Sus Scraps rate
Yes, unanimous agreement
Implemented, will be in the next update
steep vine
I think calamity could be even better by focusing more on their story and lore. Give the player character and some personality or maybe even a few cutscenes for the bosses and lore
swift wharf
fossil finch
xd
steep vine
Is that a bad idea?
swift wharf
Not necessarily
Lore is always good but giving the player character a defined backstory/personality is ech
SInce terraria is kinda about making your own story
steep vine
Ah, I see
ripe owl
xpcqe trying to not post a full essay on accessories that need buffs or nerfs challenge (impossible) (we secretly like it)
small timber
I am trying to make my point clear across the board
but yeah in this case I just think if I use text to explain each effect that is lost during the combination it will be very wordy
rich echo
damn celestial flower really do be just a direct upgrade even in vanilla i think
cuffs prolly would've benefited more from a soft rework maybe
small timber
yeah, though I dont think calamity rework vanilla things often (for the most part), but yeah this certainly can be a case of requiring a (small) rework
rich echo
i think vanilla prob should've reworked cuffs themselves or smthn
maybe not though because getting hit in vanilla (even with some of the ridiciulous scaling sometimes) isnt as lethal as cal
but yeah cuffs prob would benefit from a small rework in cal i think
good suggestion doe 👍
small timber
I think problem is not quite the lethal part (you can get very tanky), it is more of the idea that in order for this accessory to do (anything) you are required to get hit
just even worse in calamity since you could had gotten an Adrenaline instead
rich echo
myea
the only benefit of having mana on hit is that you dont get the mana potion debuff for 5 seconds
fossil finch
Fake because you dont use flowers anyway.,., regen pot meta that simple
small timber
regen pot + quick mana button
(it is good use it)
imagine using arcane flower for mana cost reduction when you can use the superior permafrost concoction instead
fossil finch
imagine using quick mana button
Lame lame lamer L horrid
"But my constant attack!" Wait 2 seconds i do not care about your damage maxing mage is a burst class anyway
small timber
DPS within the 5 seconds you need to regen mana (500% total)
- stand still 2 seconds = 200% DPS loss, total 300% DPS dealt
- use quick mana:
1st second = 25% loss
2nd second = 20% loss
3rd second = 15% loss
4th second = 10% loss
5th second = 5% loss
Total loss from using quick mana = 75% loss, total DPS 425%
and that is assuming you regen your mana bar within 2 seconds, and it is not like mana regen is an automatic function either, you have to see your mana bar running out and stop firing to regen (same input as quick mana, you have to see you dont have mana first)
fossil finch
Nerd emoji
small timber
of course I am a nerd
fossil finch
Like i legitimately do not care mana potions are lame anyway
cobalt pewter
mana is just worse stealth anyways
fossil finch
You got it backwards
cobalt pewter
maybe
maybe not
small timber
cobalt pewter
certainly an opinion of all time
inner anvil
I think calamity could be even better by focusing more on their story and lore. ...
We're on process of focusing more on the story and lore.
ripe owl
No way
Memes will finally be lore focused rather than just be funny pictures
inner anvil
Hell nah.
tidal plaza
mana is just worse stealth anyways <:XD:936106628833488906>
Trying to justify Rogue's existence challenge (Hard)
cobalt pewter
Trying to justify Rogue's existence challenge (Hard)
you're treading on thin line with that 
tidal plaza
Am I? Rogue is honestly the only time I thought another mod did something better, Thorium I mean
Thrower is based
It was also just discount melee before the updates, it's definitely better than it was
cobalt pewter
you mean the one with the terrible mechanic the devs even wanted to rework it?
lmao I know a bit about thrower but it's current state is pathetic
its planned rework seems nice though
tidal plaza
The exhaustion mechanic is goofy, but so is standing in place waiting for stealth to charge
small timber
you dont need to stand in place for stealth to charge
tidal plaza
Sure Mage has a damage drop off as an excuse, but at least it isn't the one pump chump that is the incredibly accessory reliant rogue
cobalt pewter
you clearly don't even know how rogue works so shut the hell up lmao
small timber
in fact that is the reason of the most recent rework: to make it so standing in place is not longer required for stealth to charge
tidal plaza
It charges faster
small timber
of course it should charge faster otherwise there is 0 reason to do it
cobalt pewter
I win you lose goodbye
tidal plaza
Give me one reason to play it in the first place
tidal plaza
I win you lose goodbye <:XD:936106628833488906>
Cope
tidal plaza
Is it though? Or is it just reskinned melee
small timber
their playstyle is like, the polar opposite
even if spam I will say it is closer to ranger than melee
tidal plaza
True, I just mean the actual weapon functionality rather than playstyle
small timber
weapon functionality made the playstyle
fossil finch
You're flopping by saying its reskinned melee if you want an actual argument at least say it's reskinned ranger
tidal plaza
It still needs more features
cobalt pewter
local man embarrassing himself with the lack of knowledge in the game
love to see it
fossil finch
The only thing it shares with melee at all is the fact vanilla has like 5 boomerangs
small timber
does this count as a resprite suggestion out of "poor quality" ?
I guess it kinda does?
cobalt pewter
does this count as a resprite suggestion out of "poor quality" ?
I can see that yes
fossil finch
You shouldn't request resprites either way
tidal plaza
Honestly I'm shitting on it because it deserves to be better still
fossil finch
You're not doing so in a very constructive way however
tidal plaza
I got some dude malding, it was sorta worth it lol
small timber
the entire melee class identitiy is... projectile melee, and before 1.4 largely required calamity to make it viable in the first place
ranger's identity I guess is just ammo?
mage's identitiy is mana that do not do anything as soon as you have mana flower
summoner's identity is it is full tracking (until whips exist)
cobalt pewter
I'm as calm as a cucumber, holding a turd
this is really funny though
fossil finch
"It's melee again" is 1. Not even true (it's ranger if anything) 2. Doesn't highlight any actual problems and just works as a end all quote to shit on it without understanding it at all
small timber
rogue's identity is that you have stealth strike that trade consistent damage for high burst damage and special weapon effect; I dont see why that is not enough of an identity
fossil finch
The dude you got malding made the current stealth generation formula he's helped more than you ever will at this rate
small timber
you can use all ranger guns and bows with just wooden arrow and musket ball all the way (aka: just like spam rogue), but that doesn't mean suddenly ranger just have no identity
tidal plaza
I'm just saying it feels like an honest weak point in the mod which is strange to me, it took this long to get where it is and it's a little out of character
cobalt pewter
it's not perfect but you're really not doing a good job pointing out its issues
tbh
tidal plaza
Also switching from any class to melee shows how much classes should be doing
I mean, free mod so pretty great
fossil finch
melee sucks why are you bringing it up at all
small timber
it is because melee currently is massively overtuned, like, massively, because of their recent melee speed change
tidal plaza
Melee has a shitload of options, it may not be fantastic but it has a ton of features
cobalt pewter
be UNBIASED
tidal plaza
I don't like playing melee so it's not particularly biased lol
tidal plaza
I know, I'm just wishing that quantity was spread out a bit
small timber
melee has a shitload of options where 50% of them are just worse version of another weapon at the sametime and the other 40% are getting deleted because they are just duplicates
fossil finch
I don't see melee having like 7 different weapon types counting as "features" not going to lie
Specially in calamity where half of melee is just broadsword with projectile
cobalt pewter
melee could do with a hard purge at this point but Fab despises removing content so shrug ig
small timber
having options do not make a class interesting, having interesting options make a class interesting
tidal plaza
Getting to the next tier of weapons and getting 7 new options that are all okay and 1 that is great is just
Something
tidal plaza
having options do not make a class interesting, having interesting options make ...
I'm trying to make the point that everybody else should get at least a high five at this point, Ranger has definitely gotten it
small timber
I'm trying to make the point that everybody else should get at least a high five...
the thing is we (or at least I) can't understand the point you are making
fossil finch
You do realize making a big chunk of class content worth an entire game isn't easy right
small timber
is it that rogue is lacking options? or you agree that melee has too many irrelevant options
tidal plaza
the thing is we (or at least I) can't understand the point you are making
I tried to clarify, sorry
I agree that melee has way too many and the other classes might need some attention eventually
cobalt pewter
melee is not a good pivot point for variety because it barely has any to begin with
(standard) broadswords encompass most of the uncreative parts of melee
tidal plaza
You do realize making a big chunk of class content worth an entire game isn't ea...
I'm friends with devs, I understand how this works yeah. I'm just talking about shit because the jump between other classes to melee is weird as hell. Some swords have paragraphs of features
small timber
to be honest I dont feel any particular class is currently severely lacking option, closest one is maybe Rogue (but only right after Moon Lord) and post-Moon Lord summoner
fossil finch
The only sword with paragraphs of features is the biome blade line
All others are reduced down to "spawns projectiles on hit/swing"
small timber
and Rogue kinda just get a lot of options right after Providence so that fixes itself
cobalt pewter
rogue's options are slightly lacking in pre provi, yes
tidal plaza
Post ML summoner isn't awful but everything other than Stardust is kinda meh until Silva
fossil finch
The only sword with paragraphs of features is the biome blade line
I don't get what you're saying as it is just not true
tidal plaza
Yes the Biome/Galaxia/Whatever, by some I meant that lol. I could've sworn there was another but I'm tripping
fossil finch
That's just one line and its a very complex exception
It shouldn't be used as an standard for anything at all
tidal plaza
I'm just agreeing with the bloat and using the examples of the weird amounts of shit stuffed into one class
fossil finch
then you're just saying that melee is bloated which is true how is this relevant to rogue being bad
tidal plaza
I broadened my horizons to "everyone could use more shit" tbh, I was just clowning on Rogue earlier because I always do
fossil finch
tidal plaza
It wasn't even an argument lol
You took it personally because it's the internet and tone is mute
cobalt pewter
@ashen warren you cannot request resprites in suggs (unless there's a critical issue with them)
ashen warren
Damn
small timber
basically this yeah
ashen warren
I must be fucking blind
fossil finch
you were kinda the one saying you were clowning on rogue because you want it to be better despite bringing up no constructive points about it at all which is how things improve and either way imagine backing up like that
"oh it's your fault youre mad" worst thing ever to say ever
Tune is mute yes but it's also why you can always just state the tone of what you say
ashen warren
How did I miss this
tidal plaza
You could make a point that it doesn't have a lore reason to be a funni worm head
fossil finch
none of the summoning items but like 2 are lore accurate anyway
tidal plaza
you were kinda the one saying you were clowning on rogue because you want it to ...
Why does everyone care so much about this, who fucking died lol
fossil finch
it won't happen in a while eitherway as all spriter devs are probably busy with other stuff
cobalt pewter
How did I miss this
eh it happens, next time just search for keywords whenever you want to consult the doc
ashen warren
Ok, thanks for pointing it out frend
fossil finch
no one died it just so happens you can talk about stuff in a serious manner with your brain without it being ultra serious
cobalt pewter
tidal plaza
I made a joke at the expense of another joke
tidal plaza
You, you hate that joke
tidal plaza
Now that is funny
I think I just found out I'm arguing with a teenager after that, dear God
You've made my morning with the protagonist speech you just gave me, thank you
fossil finch
grown man finds out mod about game directed to children played mostly by teenagers
tidal plaza
You know, I'm actually legit sorry lol. I had no idea, I don't actually know anyone that plays Terraria that isn't at least out of HS
fossil finch
ur sorry about what you think im a baby crying legit question here
like the question is legit i'm just exaggerating
tidal plaza
No I'm just being apologetic for starting an argument?
hardy laurel
Lmao celestial cuff is literally useless once you get mana flower (you can get mana flower in the first minute of the game)
fossil finch
wrong mana regen pot
hardy laurel
L
fossil finch
using mana flower sucks anyway because if you want mana pots so much just use the hotkey
hardy laurel
Why stop firing
tidal plaza
Celestial Cuff is kind of an L on Death ngl
fossil finch
imagine playing on death anyway
tidal plaza
You can get hit like, three times
fossil finch
shitass mode
hardy laurel
Why do you focus on everything except the point of what I said
tidal plaza
I mostly play base expert or Rev, my friends play Death because they're masochists
fossil finch
sad they removed the enviromental effects now people don't shit as hard on death and this isnt a popular opinion
hardy laurel
Imo celestial cuffs should get a hard rework
fossil finch
ok the point that you said: "Why stop firing"
To not lose damage
"Why Cuffs When Flower" Mana Hotkey exists as an alternative to flower that is easier to use anyway and cuffs are very good when you're actually allowed to get damage aka playing on a good difficulty mode aka not playing death or master
hardy laurel
Cus all the other mage accessories later in the game are 15% more damage and a bunch of other stuff
fossil finch
thats just every class acc ever
vanilla's epitome of interesting class accs is uhhh
mana cloak or something
tidal plaza
Also if anyone is going to say "Well I can't hit the mana button mid fight easily" just rebind it
hardy laurel
Mana potions and getting hit being a bad idea makes cuffs pointless
fossil finch
mana potions reduce your damage you dont want your damage reduced it is that simple
hardy laurel
Eh
fossil finch
getting hit is only a bad idea on bad modes (death and master)
and considering you get 200+ mana on like 20 damage hits anyway
hardy laurel
Getting hit against DOG on revengeance is pretty bad
tidal plaza
Can't you just use the Astral Injection? I mean not early but
fossil finch
all in all theres the keybind option if you are that dead set on using mana
you can use injection later which completely demolishes both points of view
it's just kinda costly
tidal plaza
DoG can two shot you on Death as Mage, unless you build for DEF
fossil finch
thats why against dog, who is barely on screen anyway, you simply do not
hardy laurel
Cuffs just don't do enough imo
tidal plaza
Or just take 1,000 raw damage from his head that can cross your screen in 0.5 seconds lol
fossil finch
thats why against dog, who is barely on screen anyway, you simply do not
(you wait the 5 seconds it takes to regen with pot
drowsy plank
why are we talking about DoG all of a sudden that's like the worst example for this
fossil finch
it infact is because dog's dogshit
drowsy plank
so true
hardy laurel
Honestly
drowsy plank
me when shield bash
tidal plaza
Because he's a pretty hard roadblock that you need to hit, why not use the most booty clapping boss as an example
drowsy plank
what
fossil finch
because it is a bad boss
tidal plaza
Fair
fossil finch
it's not a good example for mechanical inquiries because it is a poorly designed boss with a poorly designed fight
hardy laurel
(Astrum aureus in the corner) yeah that boss is shit!
tidal plaza
it's not a good example for mechanical inquiries because it is a poorly designed...
Absolutely preach
fossil finch
so things that may see problems because of dogs fight are blamed for that when the fact is dog bad
aureus being bad doesnt make dog better suddenly
it's also better than dog anyway
tidal plaza
I think Aureus is getting a rework, right? Or maybe at least fixing the lag jump
drowsy plank
cuffs are a preBoss accessory so maybe they would be better compared to items around that tier (why are they preBoss when they are the end of an upgrade line)
hardy laurel
I'm saying that both are bad
fossil finch
aureus is getting 2 velocity tweaks to the jump and its being called a rework because fabsol
drowsy plank
lol
tidal plaza
That's good
tidal plaza
cuffs are a preBoss accessory so maybe they would be better compared to items ar...
I mean, if you want to use them in Pre and early HM they aren't the worst thing ever?
You still have room for them with a dash, polarizer, wings, and boots
drowsy plank
that's when ur supposed to get them so like
tidal plaza
Having a mid to late upgrade would be neat
hardy laurel
I don't even use celestial cuffs for WOF
fossil finch
yeah but youre a mana pot user (cringe)
hardy laurel
better to put on charm of myths instead
fossil finch
in this house we shame mana pot users
tidal plaza
What's a mana potion
fossil finch
TRUE
hardy laurel
Ad hominem
fossil finch
who needs charm of myths when you have hadal stew tbh
yeah exactly
i love fallacies
hardy laurel
I love fallics
fossil finch
i love directing my argument towards the person and not the thing being discussed
tidal plaza
Just remove mana, ez fix
fossil finch
you guys are too uncreative you need to simply remove classes as a whole
drowsy plank
not true what about ion blaster
fossil finch
i am going back in time before red added class damage and make him not add class damage
hardy laurel
Remove all classes, merge them in melee and ranger
fossil finch
everything will simply deal damage
tidal plaza
Just get infinite minion slots on all classes, but make minions passive. Then you can hit the projectile limit and live your run as a pacifist who looks at cool creatures
tidal plaza
Melee is only cool cus murasama
I legit forgot to use that shit last run
hardy laurel
Lol
drowsy plank
murasama
hardy laurel
It's good for sepulcher
tidal plaza
I found it in a chest post exos and died a little
fossil finch
Melee is only cool cus murasama
WRONG! cosmos line
murasma sucks anywya
hardy laurel
Ark of the cosmos tries too hard
drowsy plank
tidal plaza
I remember the good ol' days where my Scal attempts tool like, 15+ minutes because I had to kill her with a Dragon Pow
hardy laurel
Use Tractis' Palidinian Mage-Hammer of Might like a real man
drowsy plank
clockwork bow tries too hard pls add 500th minishark k thx bye
fossil finch
your mom tried too hard with you
tidal plaza
Minishark fell off
drowsy plank
lmfao
tidal plaza
Shit got too much armor in Rev and up
drowsy plank
me when armor piercing
tidal plaza
True, whole accessory slot though
hardy laurel
Use shark tooth, sandsharktooth, and reaper tooth all at the same time
Who needs emblems
tidal plaza
I don't need mobility, I just need a gun that shoots a lot
Propel yourself faster with your fire rate
drowsy plank
tin armor + shark tooth necklace + desert prowler + L + ratio
it's very funny how broken it is
which one
tidal plaza
Why did summoner get the giant death laser
Because it's funny
hardy laurel
:/
tidal plaza
If you don't have Calamity Whips you're just sitting on your ass anyways, might as well do something
hardy laurel
It's only good against worms and exo-mechs
hardy laurel
Half the time it doesn't even fire during supreme clamtits
tidal plaza
Scal doesn't sit still long enough anyways
fossil finch
uni collapse is a meme weapon why are you trying to pretend it is useful for something
tidal plaza
Or if you start doing good damage you realize that it doesn't matter. Because bullet hell + brothers + L + ratio
fossil finch
also calamity whips L as hell tag damage doesnt even work
tidal plaza
True
hardy laurel
I'm not saying it's useful?
hardy laurel
I asked why it's summoner
drowsy plank
cal whips is getting absorbed into catalyst anyway
bright crag
using mana flower sucks anyway because if you want mana pots so much just use th...
Not really
Just because it doesn't follow your playstyle doesn't mean it's bad
Keep in mind it's mana flower + mana range + mana usage reduction
That makes a solid accessory most people wanna use
tidal plaza
also calamity whips L as hell tag damage doesnt even work
Most of them are broken in their own special way though, like Righteous Dawn making you an unkillable demigod
hardy laurel
I'm not complaining that it's bad for clamtits?
fossil finch
Not really
Just because it doesn't follow your playstyle doesn't mean it's bad
K...
it does
my opinion is the right ones always
tidal plaza
What class do you play the most
hardy laurel
Just said that it doesn't even activate during the fight?
fossil finch
i play all classes the most (i havent played calamity in months)
wdym it doesnt activate
tidal plaza
Based
bright crag
And I agree, Celestial Cuffs suck
Always thought that making the main mage line have on-hit effects was stupid
hardy laurel
Unless it doesn't activate if it's near blocks then yeah
tidal plaza
And I agree, Celestial Cuffs suck
Always thought that making the main mage line ...
Honestly it would be better if it also gave minor regen on enemy hits, I get that most mage weapons track but still
bright crag
also calamity whips L as hell tag damage doesnt even work
Currently bugged
Won't be like this forever
fossil finch
minor regen on enemy hits on an acc looks like hell being loose
its been like this since the port i get to do the funny
cobalt heath
Currently bugged
is being fixed?
fossil finch
did you read the message just below that one
cobalt heath
''forever'' is a long estimate
fossil finch
true
tidal plaza
Summoners only get things sometimes, it'll be fixed within the next decade probably
drowsy plank
welcome to calamity
bright crag
Not currently, but yeah it will eventually
We still have to pinpoint what part of the code isn't working
drowsy plank
there is none
fossil finch
ido not look for time areas
drowsy plank
lmao
tidal plaza
What time zone will the patch be released in first, that's the real question
drowsy plank
me when the fan project needs time windows
hardy laurel
The time area for calamity is eventually
tidal plaza
They should let us throw money at them so we can complain and have a real reason
drowsy plank
patreon exists
hardy laurel
They should put elemental rule34 on the Patreon so I have a reason to buy it
tidal plaza
Damn, better go donate $0.50 and then complain some more
tidal plaza
They should put elemental rule34 on the Patreon so I have a reason to buy it
Yeah but it's free somewhere else
hardy laurel
Eh
tidal plaza
We just need the Ultrakill sex update
hardy laurel
Is there a waifu texture pack for calam?
tidal plaza
Premium content
tidal plaza
Is there a waifu texture pack for calam?
Probably? I don't know, I've touched grass this week
hardy laurel
Damn, can't relate
tidal plaza
Don't have responsibilities, they suck. This weird woman keeps telling me she's in love with me and planning our future, like I'm a dude and she's into me that's kinda gay fr
hardy laurel
Truuue
I wonder how excited calam devs were when re-logic said they weren't gonna update terraria anymore
tidal plaza
I wonder how excited calam devs were when re-logic said they weren't gonna updat...
Oh bro, you think they're done? That Dead Cells collab is still kinda fresh
hardy laurel
No I don't think they're done, I was talking about journeys end
I wanna know how many hopes were crushed
tidal plaza
I think when you work with Terraria this long, it's more of a "yeah right" situation when they say they're done
hardy laurel
YOOOOOO
fossil finch
i mean nobody every believed them anyway when 1.4 happened
hardy laurel
Fuckin gottem
tidal plaza
Destroyed in 10 seconds
fossil finch
red just straight up said he wouldnt say any update was the last one
fossil finch
do you think red is a man you can trust
tidal plaza
He'll probably stop updating the game right when they get around to another big summoner update, just a fresh and clean fuck you before making Terraria 2
fossil finch
terraria 2 wont ever be real
i am in denial
that concept is just trolling
there is no way
hardy laurel
The "instant death" potion is named after red so no
tidal plaza
When we upload Red into his android body he'll finally make it
tidal plaza
Like we're doing with the guy that made Dwarf Fortress
fossil finch
the only person who deserves getting stuffed into a computer is kojima because he's really fucking funny
tidal plaza
rather we should prevent that
You can't stop him, he'll just buff his irl melee and destroy us all
hardy laurel
And the from-software guy
tidal plaza
Miyazaki forever baby
fossil finch
the only person who deserves getting stuffed into a computer is kojima because h...
he could make dead stranding 98 at 762 years old and itd be a masterpiece of artb ecause it would be really funny
tidal plaza
And the from-software guy
He was the father I never knew I needed, came into my life, ruined it a little and called me a failure, and made me an epic gamer
hardy laurel
Lol
fossil finch
sounds like parasocial relationship to me
hardy laurel
I feel that
fossil finch
huge L
tidal plaza
I didn't say I loved him, he just made me realize that I sucked and I got gud
tidal plaza
A huge L is liking a walking simulator
hardy laurel
I want another dark souls but all the names and models are changed
And based off Norse mythology
tidal plaza
Kojima makes God tier games but that weird monster energy™️ ad with a walking funni man was pretty mid
Elden Ring has Scottish roots
So, sorta close enough but not really
hardy laurel
I want a sci-fi souls-like tbh
tidal plaza
I dunno, just go play GoW on the hardest difficulty lol
tidal plaza
I want a sci-fi souls-like tbh
Have you played Remnant: From the Ashes? Not exactly space age or Cyberpunk but it's pretty great
hardy laurel
I want to fight GLaDOS with dark souls music and a massive health bar
tidal plaza
She calls you fat and throws cubes at you