suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

whats ooa

[crude geode]

It all comes back to OOA being garbage

[small timber]

the same logic applies to non-boss fight: your summoner weapon is already dealing 100% of the damage

the target do not have to be the boss, it is the simple balance decision that they want your summoner weapon to be dealing the main (almost all) of the damage

[ashen warren]

vanilla assumes you’re using the weapons it gives you, so no problem there

[fossil finch]

in general my two points here would be that like:
Most terraria combat, sans some exceptions is designed with high mobility on mind, sentries don't work for that.
And, even if it wasn't, summons do their work just fine but better 99% of the time, both in the crowd control department and in the normal damage department

[small timber]

vanilla also do not give a shit about balance unless it broke the game

[swift wharf]

summons are support weapons in vanilla also

since they have full damage while using other weapons

[small timber]

they leave whip stacking and things being kill in under 1 minute in the game while calamity actively (tries) to make things not get melted

[fossil finch]

vanilla does not give sentries a lot of support because all of its content is locked behind a boring slog of a farming event

[crude geode]

^^^^^

[fossil finch]

and even then it's insanely limited

[crude geode]

Vanilla balance is fucking ass

[ashen warren]

didn’t 1.4.4 provide a ton of support for sentries

[fossil finch]

to be fair vanilla seems to balance around comically low min maxed kill times

[ashen warren]

comparatively speaking

[crude geode]

No?????

What

[swift wharf]

stardust set

iirc

[fossil finch]

if the comparision is to calamity there is no bar so yea

but adding like 2 sentries slots to the last armor and making sentries never go away ever isn't a lot either

[small timber]

+1 sentry slot and stardust set, then I only remember tiki which is a whip support

[ashen warren]

war table, stardust adjustment, sentry reworks to buff them for fights when not chain summoning, pre hm accessory

[swift wharf]

looks like cal wont have to do anything then

(Anyways what is the actual argument)

[crude geode]

Sentries bad pretty sure

[fossil finch]

it could be argued sentry changes were simply to make them usable lm ao

[small timber]

oh right another reason sentry is dumped down this hard is for the simple reason that sentry slot are inherently horrid to balance

you only have 1 slot (normally), so if you want that single sentry to be doing as much as your summon suddenly having more sentry slot (even just 2) effectively make them twice as strong as your summons

[fossil finch]

it was calamity doesnt add sentry support

[ashen warren]

no real argument, i just pointed out that there’s no sentry support at all

[swift wharf]

I see

[ashen warren]

which seems odd since they’ve been in the game for a while

[swift wharf]

tbf it adds sentry weapons

[small timber]

there is no sentry support because their focus had always been just your summoner weapon, and on top of them recently they just proceed to gutting sentries so even less reason to add support

[fossil finch]

if they didn't make tenebris a herb they should never add sentry support because tenebris herb was the literal best idea ever

[crude geode]

It absolutely was

[ashen warren]

the sentry weapons are good, but it’s just weird that there’s no accessories or armor in the entire mod that gives even one extra sentry

good in terms of i like them

[crude geode]

(I have no bias as the person who suggested tenebris herb)

[small timber]

they approved suggestions of the likes in the past, but they didn't really get implemented
with the position of how sentries are nowadays there is even less reason to add them

[ashen warren]

1.4.4 is i think the second best update for sentries in terraria

[fossil finch]

the solution is to remove summoner and just make summons mage damage again

[crude geode]

So true

[fossil finch]

red could've prevented all of this if 1.2 never existed

[ashen warren]

i hate it when interesting items

[crude geode]

It would add more sentries like nimbus Rod and magnet sphere and rainbow gun

[ashen warren]

interesting content makes me so upset

[fossil finch]

i never said to remove any item but whatever

[ashen warren]

(i’m making fun of calamity’s design philosophy, not you)

(sorry it came off that way)

[small timber]

well, they do not see sentry build as "interesting"

[fossil finch]

PERFECT EXCUSE TO MAKE WHIPS MELEE

[small timber]

me too because to me sentry is basically just a summoner weapon that is clunky because it is stationary

turns out opinion exist and you can't force everyone to just think alike to you

[crude geode]

So true!

[fossil finch]

the only good sentry is spikecrag because deus exists and because it was hilarious as hell when it was broken to no end

[ashen warren]

in all fairness most vanilla bosses stay in a small area

[crude geode]

Reminder that whips being added to vanilla was (and still is) a shitshow in here

[fossil finch]

The Whip Calamity of 2020

[small timber]

I will like whips more if it is cooldown based instead of just spam

[ashen warren]

i fucking hate it when a fun game adds fun content and it ruins my expansion content

[fossil finch]

terraria isnt fun actually

i have 2000 hours i am legally allowed to say this

[crude geode]

Insert the rover quote

[small timber]

I will just assume to context of "in here" was referring to calamity

[ashen warren]

my 3.5k hours disagrees

[small timber]

for that, yes it is true, whips are so imbalanced on release (for calamity) that they have to gut all of them and rebalance from the ground up, AND they are still imbalanced

[fossil finch]

ok it disagrees but it doesn't mean im wrong

therefore

[ashen warren]

we’re both wrong

[fossil finch]

either way whips are just funny because they are the most disappointing way to make summoner more interesting

"they are melee weapons aside" they could've done things that feel more summoner

imo (imho)

[fossil finch]

?? false i am always right

i always hold the right opinion it doesn't matter if i change it

called schrodingers opinion

did you know tag damage hasnt worked since calamity updated to 1.4

that is a very funny joke

[crude geode]

Yep

[ashen warren]

i like whips, i think they’re cool

[swift wharf]

Talking about whips

[ashen warren]

maybe thematically a bit disturbing

but cool

[fossil finch]

no thematically they are fine

they should be about whipping your minions actually

that would've made it bettrer

because whips suck

(Because content isn't created automatically)

[small timber]

they will add more once the existing ones get properly balanced first

[crude geode]

Once the existing ones do something*

[fossil finch]

once tag damage works*

[small timber]

when tag damage is completely bugged and people completely not realising it and just say look at these cool whips

[crude geode]

Wdym content creation isn’t just pushing a button

[ashen warren]

in all fairness they’re cool

[ashen warren]

only in 2015 youtube, my friend

[small timber]

yes very cool indeed

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

clueless

your honor, terraria youtubers

[crude geode]

I love gitgudowo

[small timber]

but yeah, I am fine with the concept of whips, but I just wish they mechanically rework it completely

[ashen warren]

me when i post part 2 billion of crafting some sword

[fossil finch]

calamity is perfectly balanced should be 15 minutes of ominous sounds and a black screen

[small timber]

the fact that they make it spammable, have whip speed to emphasize the whips' direct damage AND make it literally scale off melee speed is just

[ashen warren]

compilation of all of fabsol’s opinions about vanilla content overlayed on top of calamity gameplay

[fossil finch]

you do not simply create purgatory

[ashen warren]

one must imagine sisyphus enraged outside of his home biome

[crude geode]

Anyways summoner kinda quirky

[fossil finch]

as we have concluded many times the solution is to not care about terraria

to not play terraria

to forget terraria

like do you see other games having conversations like this all the time? no because they have good game design

[crude geode]

Play don’t starve together instead

[swift wharf]

we should add.

no dst is boring

play mc

[fossil finch]

we should've made portal 2 mods instead

[swift wharf]

calamity na portal 2

[drowsy plank]

with 4000 hours i can say that terraria is very fun and is also one of the single worst designed games i have ever seen in my entire life

[cobalt pewter]

Terraria is something that you can have fun with on surface value

but once you dig just an inch deeper

you're doomed

[soft quest]

Terraria is my favorite game, but goddamn there’s a huge issue with the classes for me.

Every time I choose a new class it just feels like the same experience. So many weapons infringe on other classes, or mechanics that make a class obsolete.

Mage is supposed to be based on recourse management, but how the hell are you supposed to manage recourses if you only have 1 recourse? Also the fucking mana flower exists so there really isn’t any point in trying to use the mana system effectively if you can just gulp down 6271818 mana potions a second. And simply just waiting for mana to regen is slow as molasses and unintuitive.

Don’t even get me started on melee, it’s not even melee 80% of the time and it’s so goddamn strange. You can deal as much damage as mage sometimes with triple the defense and half the effort by just swinging shit at the boss with no resource cost. I’m fine with swords like the horseman’s blade where it’s you get a projectile when you actually hit the goddamn enemy

Ranger is boring. Fuck ranged weapons that have homing.

Summoner should have never gotten whips. They’re so fucking big in their role now that not using a whip just means your missing out on like 50% damage sometimes. They’re glorified melee weapons that get melee stats, and act like a better melee weapon than half of the goddamn already existing melee weapons. It doesn’t feel like I’m playing summoner anymore it feels like I’m playing melee, with some minions summoned in the background. Summoner to me used to be the dodge based focused class, and items like the brimseeker aura, thorium’s buff banners, or the old gamma hydra, and the neglected and amazingly designed sentries in the game reward dodging about an smaller area with doing greater damage. Or how bout give summoner some rituals not dissimilar to thoriums bard, where you have to play a pattern of drums to buff your summons, or how about summons give small buffs to you so employing a dynamic army of minions instead of an army of purely one minion is beneficial.

Rogue is fine and fun, stealth system just needs to be refined a bit and spam rogue should be less relevant.

Ugh. Sorry, but man I just wish the classes tried to be unique from each other.

[gilded scroll]

ah yes, the classic summon whips are melee argument, hey, buddy, that argument is dead, has been dead, and should stay dead.
whips do NOT equal melee. thank you

[small timber]

Difficulty Opinion Is Subjective

and also, if you want to make the argument that whips do not equal to melee, then why does it work with literally the melee speed stat

[soft quest]

They kinda do. Fuck whips, mage guns, mage swords, mage sentries, boomerangs and whatever, I’ve held this opinion long before whips were even a thing so don’t even pull the “well you didn’t think this before whips” card.

[gilded scroll]

because devs gonna dev, i guess. just because something works with one stat doesnt make it a class archetype. summons use mana, does that make it mage class? no. oh, theres this magic gun, surely it must be ranger. oh, this is a magic returning dagger you throw, surely it must be melee. thats the argument your making? bah.

[crude geode]

[cobalt pewter]

can we do a DivermanSam and ban whips talk

[gilded scroll]

dylan was the one who opened the can of worms with his incorrectness :/

[errant bobcat]

Also is the forsaken archive just supposed to be a pre built void/polterghast arena just so you don’t have to use 10 city busters in the dungeon?

[gilded scroll]

basically, yes.

[errant bobcat]

Ok cool

[cobalt pewter]

it has another purpose that is yet to be revealed too

[small timber]

if it plays like melee, it is a melee
I consider burning sky as a mage weapon eventhough it deal melee damage because it play like a mage weapon, hence why it is a terrible melee weapon
space gun is literally a ranger weapon that deal magic damage etc etc

whips is melee because it literally plays like melee, it plays like an alternate form of arkhalis but with more range and scale with melee speed; if they want to make it not feel like melee they should had tried harder, like make it cooldown instead of just hold left click spam (which was available through feral claw), make it so that not half of it is emphasize on the whips' direct damage, make it more tag damage centric and less direct damage and so on

if your entire argument is call other people's opinion wrong then no, you have no argument

you first have to say "why you are correct" but all you did was call other people "you are wrong" and not even have a why
I am up to change my opinion if you are more convincing, sure, I stand corrected, but you have to be more convincing

[cobalt pewter]

burning sky is a social experiment

[crude geode]

It was indeed

I mean still is since it hasn’t changed

[river axle]

I thought the difference between ranged and magic guns is that the magic guns are energy weapons.

[crude geode]

There really isn’t one

Especially not in cal

With the Draedon weapons

[drowsy plank]

storm surge exists

you could probably argue sea's searing

and im sure there's something else im forgetting

[cobalt pewter]

the only magic guns I can recall playing directly off mana in some way is the Ion Blaster thing, and its upgrade or downgrade I forgot which

the rest just use mana as ammo

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[crude geode]

Ig this makes more sense as a vanilla statement but in cal the lines are too blurred thanks to Draedon’s weapon + other things

(Make Draedon mage weapons less cringe please)

[drowsy plank]

tbh tbh made aether's whisper interesting that it has both damage types because that thing knew what it was but it was just handled so badly

[cobalt pewter]

ye execution is terrible

[gilded scroll]

whatever. you can have your opinions all you want, but just know whips are NOT melee. that is final, no matter whether or not they benefit from any melee speed bonuses. now please. shut the fuck up

[crude geode]

I love opinions

[cobalt pewter]

then again dual dmg classes on a weapon have always been kinda finicky?

like uh

Prismatic Breaker???

idr the name

[drowsy plank]

"my subjective opinion is more correct than you"

[small timber]

I like how your opinion is so flawed that all you can do is call other people as incorrect

[crude geode]

Yep

Truly the dono weapon of all time

[drowsy plank]

pris break having ranged damage is so fucking funny

it's literally useless bc the thing still benefits from melee speed so balancing it around ranged is actually impossible

[crude geode]

Literally just “I wanted ranged to have a last prism” being the reasoning is so absurd

[cobalt pewter]

if you can't argue properly, you'd be better off shutting yo mouth up so you don't embarrass yourself further tbh

like this is an advice, I don't want to argue myself because it's tiring

but if you're not trying to present your case properly, don't even bother

[frail mantle]

whips act like melee weapons but when has class consistency ever been a thing in this game

[small timber]

but yeah, whips talks are like, a mud pool anyway

[crude geode]

So true

[drowsy plank]

so true

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[swift wharf]

burning sky 💪

[crude geode]

if vanilla keeps updating itself maybe one day mana will actually be a thing that exists and isn’t cringe

[cobalt pewter]

I mean 1.4.5 is close

[swift wharf]

i hope vanilla doesnt keep updating itself

[cobalt pewter]

it has leftover changes that didn't make it to 1.4.4

and Dead Cells crossover

[drowsy plank]

herb and fishing update when

[swift wharf]

i will hit you with a rock

[small timber]

mana now only regen if you sleep on bed, otherwise you can consume mana potion which take the HP potion's potion sickness

[frail mantle]

i can't wait for vanilla to keep updating until the modded community implodes cause tmod can't keep up

‼️

[drowsy plank]

red if you keep updating the game please at least address the actual gameplay issues

[crude geode]

Trueeeee

[swift wharf]

i love porting!

[cobalt pewter]

good ending tbh

Re-Logic singlehandedly killing the already terrible modding scene

[drowsy plank]

LOL

[small timber]

tbf 1.4.4 is pretty good

but yeah, they have to really decide when is the actual final update

[cobalt pewter]

because in that case we can actually touch grass and stop modding Terraria because good God

[crude geode]

There never will be one

[frail mantle]

toil of hatred

[crude geode]

The heat death of the universe comes before terraria support ends

[small timber]

1.4.4 is the final update that only happens because labour of love reward, otherwise it will never had happened, it is set in stone
but what if we have this GIGANTIC indie game collaboration update where we might add 100 different things from other games soon in 2023

[cobalt pewter]

Terraria updates will still be worked on when only Red and Cenx are left in the company, with Red being on his hospital room, too sick to get up, but his laptop is heating up his thighs as he codes in a poop sword

(technically Flymeal is the closest you can get to poop sword)

[half sage]

implying red will die and not upload his consciousness to a robot to keep making "final" updates until the end of time

[crude geode]

Flymeal is the only good addition in 1.4.4 😤

Consistency in killing red’s stupid ass npcs my beloved

[river axle]

So much in the 1.4 versions just feels like bonus to me.

[frail mantle]

i mean yeah

1.3 was the closest to a final update content wise considering it added the final boss

everything after that has felt pretty "fuck around and add whatever"

[small timber]

imo 1.4.4 is (objectively) the best update we got yet just because they added a lot of Quality of Life feature that they finally admitted "yeah those are really bad"
1.4 was bigger and with more content but at the sametime, like, a lot of them we had seen before (it is definitely not bad of course, just when I am comparing the 2)

[crude geode]

Does the hallowed bosses in 1.4 not count as content

[cobalt pewter]

for the most part 1.4.4 is better because it's largely community update I guess?

[river axle]

Queen Slime is definitely bonus, I think.

[frail mantle]

( #help-advice-read-pins )

[drowsy plank]

truly one of the suggs of all time

did the update with improved auric generation already get pushed or is that next patch

the reasoning feels kinda weak atm

[blazing kettle]

why does sugg pisting chat get reset every so often?

[crude geode]

bc everything gets sent into voting

[blazing kettle]

ah okay cool

[frosty trellis]

Auric generation is already crazy bc it's like 50-200 ore per vein and they spawn fairly often

[fervent orbit]

its also alr in such a dense part of caverns

its rlly hard to NOT run into it when ur in the level

[muted cradle]

Idk the number ten just sounds better than 12

10 auric ore saved per 5 bars

That adds up eventually

Yeah you probably won't need much more

But still

There's a change that you will

chance

[drowsy plank]

ok but like

why

[grim tusk]

a very short suggestion but still valid

[cobalt pewter]

[[Auric Bar]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Auric_Bar

[cobalt pewter]

oh I never knew it actually uses 60 ores

why's it wack

anyways yeah fine sugg

[cinder spade]

most of the 1.4+ changes have been polishing the game tbf

[junior steeple]

has anyone talked about how master mode needs to be balanced with death/revengeance mode? boss health bars are literally double what they are in expert.

[small timber]

they are not gonna be balancing around master mode, nor they are planning to

and with double HP you can still beat them, just have to play better and get some adrenaline

[junior steeple]

it still feels far more difficult than it should be

[glass arch]

iirc there were plans to replace master on the select difficulty screen with revengeance

[small timber]

it should be far more difficult than expert

basically you sign up for it by selecting master mode

[glass arch]

yeah you gain literally nothing from master

[junior steeple]

i agree but i mean that much of a jump in difficulty is just ridiculous imo

[small timber]

it should be far more difficult is the thing

just like how normal to expert is a gigantic jump

is it perfect in that it is purely stat change? no
but yes, it is a similar difficulty jump

[glass arch]

master doesnt need to be balanced with cal because all master drops are in rev+ and even before that its completely optional

[frosty trellis]

^

[small timber]

basically master mode is completely optional to play yeah

[frosty trellis]

It's like saying FTW needs to be balanced

[small timber]

you gain nothing (as in, literally nothing) from it compare to expert mode
everything that you can get in master mode you already get in expert mode

[frosty trellis]

It's optional difficulty that isn't balanced around from the beginning

[glass arch]

ftw is a meme seed and master is a complete joke

[junior steeple]

yeah i guess thats true

[frosty trellis]

Terraria when not normal/expert/journey: (Do not take it seriously)

I don't like Master bc it is literally just stat bloat but yeah

[junior steeple]

idk it just kinda feels like the calamity bosses dont work well with that much of a difficulty jump, where regular terraria had their difficulty in mind when adding master mode and knew how to make it fit.

[glass arch]

no they did not

[frosty trellis]

Also you're mad about the 2x hp bosses? Have you tried the boss hp config?

[small timber]

oh no they definitely did not considered balancing reason when adding master mode

fucking dwayne rock johnson throwing rocks that deal 600+ damage and turtles too

[glass arch]

it is a system wide multiplier, not balanced around everything carefully

[junior steeple]

how would they have not considered it? they are a huge company and put a lot of time into each detail

[frosty trellis]

Master-Death SCal two shotting you without full warding:

[small timber]

they added master mode purely because people are crying expert is too easy

[glass arch]

there are 0 new ai changes and its a static multiplier on every stat

[small timber]

otherwise they would had put more work into master mode beyond +50% stat increase (which is literally the only change and relics)

[frosty trellis]

(And a useful mount)

[small timber]

and then just slap a +1 accessory slot that literally already exist in the code and call it a day

[junior steeple]

yeah but they wouldnt just make everything one shot you because things were too easy, they would make it decently balanced while also making it harder

[glass arch]

except they didnt

[small timber]

except that things one shot you yes

[frosty trellis]

Master doesn't make shit one shot you

[small timber]

and no, calamity master rev/death definitely dont one shot you if your gear is not pure glass cannon

[frosty trellis]

Because defense is hilariuosly overpowered in vanilla

[junior steeple]

no i know thats not what im saying

[small timber]

defense in vanilla when it is star veil + stacking 10% dodges

[glass arch]

like quite simply put vanilla doesnt seem to take anything into account with master balancing

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but unless you're full warding I was experiencing getting 2 shot by Master-Death SCal so you do need to actually have defense

[junior steeple]

im saying they must have put some thought into it other than "make it harder" or they would have just made everything impossible

[frosty trellis]

Defense when you could just not take damage in the first place:

[glass arch]

they did literally just do "make it harder"

there are 0 ai changes

[junior steeple]

true

[glass arch]

master is a static multiplier to everything

[junior steeple]

but they still limited how much hard they did

[frosty trellis]

The funny thing with master is that so long as you just "Didn't get hit" the difficulty increase is minimal

[glass arch]

limited, yes, but they did not individually balance everything

[small timber]

expert mode changed every single boss AI and many normal enemy AI, + a 100% (from normal) stat boost (total 200%)
master mode is +100% (from normal) stat boost from expert (total 300%) and literally nothing else other than cosmetic relics and some overpowered mounts

[glass arch]

and one extra slot

[junior steeple]

all im saying is the difficulty curve with the post moon lord bosses doesnt really fit master mode, but its fits regular terraria

[glass arch]

well yeah

because vanilla terraria ends at moon lord

[junior steeple]

exactly

[glass arch]

so theres going to be a difference between vanilla and modded

[small timber]

master mode enemies are so obnoxious that cavern wizard can teleport on top of you dealing 1 shot level of damage, and dwayne rock johnson (rock golem) rapidly throwing rocks that literally 1 shot you

it take them patches to fix the rock golem one and I dont think rune wizard ever get fixed, I dont think they even thought for once of how master mode is balanced

in fact for a long time pillar enemy just have x4 stats instead of x3 for some reason so all pillar enemies just start one shotting the player

[junior steeple]

seems like you have some animosity with rock golem

[quiet kernel]

I have a lot of bad memories of the start of master mode hardmode

[glass arch]

there was a bug where 1.95x and 2.95x stat boosts was harder than 2x and 3x respectively

[quiet kernel]

And those things are the worst

[glass arch]

master mode isnt very balanced

[small timber]

that thing throw ~600 damage projectile in a rapid fire pattern and don't stop even if you attack it

so yes, I hate that guy until they finally nerfed it

[glass arch]

all this circles back to master mode is basically a massive shitpost

[cobalt pewter]

except ftw actually has AI changes on bosses now aside from size

like how EoC occasionally spins in p2 that reflects projectiles

[quiet kernel]

If master would have been like expert, aka giving new ai and stuff, master would have been good

[glass arch]

ftw fits better as master than master fits as master

[cobalt pewter]

is it good? idk

is it fun to see a boss actively trying to fuck rangers up? very

does the seed have more effort into it than master? absolutely

[glass arch]

because at least ftw has ai changes

[junior steeple]

fr why didnt they just have all the changes in ftw just be there instead of mater mode

[glass arch]

because

[small timber]

because reasons

[junior steeple]

just get rid of master and replace master with ftw changes

[small timber]

literally

which is why so many people complain about master mode being literally a mode that is given 0 thought, and ftw only make it even more of the case

[glass arch]

everyone would like that but knowing terraria its not happening

[junior steeple]

how did they mess up that badly is my question

put more thought into a seed than a whole new difficulty

[small timber]

they give 0 thought in master mode other than to make a new difficulty so people stop complaining that expert is too easy

[cobalt pewter]

every single seed has more effort put into it than master mode

[small timber]

that is literally it

[cobalt pewter]

I would say that Remix is an entirely new mode with how different you approach the otherwise same gameplay loop

due to its inversed verticality

[glass arch]

gfb or dont dig up

[cobalt pewter]

the latter

but gfb includes remix anyways

[glass arch]

gfb is hell

both in starting location and general worldgen

[cobalt pewter]

I would dare to even say that Remix should totally be a toggle in world creation

it makes world generation pretty fresh if you're tired of the same old

[glass arch]

i mean it kinda is

[small timber]

gfb is more annoying than actually difficult

[quiet kernel]

Imo that should be an option after beating the game once

[cobalt pewter]

not really, you can't really stack seeds atm

aside from everything that is gfb

[frosty trellis]

The hard part with gfb is remix shenanigans more than anything

[small timber]

like a legit change gfb have is "make normal enemies spawning rapidly during the boss fight", like, really?

[cobalt pewter]

what I meant is that Remix becomes the alternative to the normal world generation

[frosty trellis]

Remix is the entire reason that seed is legitimately painful

[glass arch]

worldgenpreviewer lets you do that but its also a mod

[cobalt pewter]

isn't the fire imp thing ftw? I should check later

[glass arch]

the fire imp thing is ftw

[frosty trellis]

Fire imps spawning during the wof fight yeah

[quiet kernel]

Skeletron spawns dark casters iirc

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[glass arch]

yes

[frosty trellis]

The thing is with gfb

[glass arch]

eow spawns corruption fucks

[cobalt pewter]

I think one of the changes that is entirely made by gfb is moon lord throwing boulders after deathrays

[small timber]

they have so many ways to make bosses actually difficult, instead they just spawn a bunch of enemies while you are fighting it

[frosty trellis]

Is that you will die to so much random bullshit from enemies or remix seed + notraps seed shenanigans way more than you will any of the boss fights as none of the boss fights are actual bullshit
It's the seed itself that's bullshit

[glass arch]

gfb is even more of a meme than master

[small timber]

at some point if they ever make a seed harder than gfb they will just make it so nebula floater spawn constantly during moon lord or something because why not

[quiet kernel]

Also doesnt plant spawn thorns in gfb, like in the arena or something

[small timber]

"difficult = good alright"

[frosty trellis]

GOD NO

[cobalt pewter]

gfb is the moon knight meme of random bullshit go

[frosty trellis]

PLEASE

[quiet kernel]

True

[cobalt pewter]

also remix is one of the best seeds because it gives the best hell gen

hell island my beloved

[frosty trellis]

That's the only good part about remix

[cobalt pewter]

nah

it's one of the good parts about remix

[glass arch]

what are the others

[cobalt pewter]

for someone who was balls deep into the hell that is Terraria modding scene, Remix is a very fresh breathe of air

[cobalt pewter]

phm mimics with phm chests loot

is another

(aside from aglet for some reason)

(but overall yea)

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[glass arch]

aglet is one of 2 things i need from those

why isnt it in there

[cobalt pewter]

idk ask red

[small timber]

aglet is not gold chest

[glass arch]

it should be

[cobalt pewter]

ah it seems like the wooden and golden chest mimics do not have a separate loot table

so they just share golden chest's loot

[small timber]

@thin crane establish a reason "why" it is a good idea first (rather than just stating it is a good idea)
why goblin invasion should be upgraded, what benefit does it bring compare to everything else that already exist in the game

[swift wharf]

how about no

[safe crypt]

Is this based off that r/terraria comic from yesterday

[drowsy plank]

probably

people dont usually think much further beyond a surface level on these things tbh

and as much as cal needs more events, im looking at the frost and pumpkin moon upgrades post-DoG and

yeah.

distortion biome cannot arrive soon enough god

[worldly basalt]

that suggestion is based on that one reddit post isn't it
yea

[novel belfry]

this is CLEARLY a reference to that one reddit post

[serene tendon]

Ikr!

[serene tendon]

To be fair, Post-ML is quite lacking in events.

But yeah, the sugg as it stands currently is impassable

[drowsy plank]

while i think some kind of cultist invasion would be a decent event for the post-ML tier, sort of mirroring how you get goblins in preHM and pirates in HM, i feel like they devs probably have 0 interest in such a thing, and im honestly not even sure what you'd get out of it lmao

also it should. not be related to goblins in any form bc that makes 0 sense

[crude geode]

Suggestors make their own mod challenge

[drowsy plank]

true

[swift wharf]

I remember there being a mod that let you do custom invasions

[drowsy plank]

sounds cool

[fervent orbit]

hello

[gentle vector]

I wanna suggest crimson/corruption effigies to be obtainable trough coresponding biome crates but i dont have any real impactfull meaning for it other than being able to have more than one so u can plop them in your arenas. This would probably only benefit the people playing the game slowly and enjoying building the arenas and doing 100+ before every fight so i guess its such a small and non impactfull change that i doubt its worth posting so i was wondering what are the chanses of someting like this being actualy seen and implemented if suggested? Also this would make so u can have both effigies perhaps making it unfair and a bit to strong but u do need to go tru the hastle of making an oposite evil fishing pond i suppose.

[small timber]

Fuck I thought this was sarcastic

Biome shrine are getting reworked, whether or not effigies are changed I dont know but the rework need to be taken into consideration (things might be different)

However that besides, I think it was stated that they dont want you to obtain multiplie copies of effigies (or multiple shrine loot at that), because turns out not only are they overpowered but also it completely murders the uniqueness that shrine brings

They are supposed to be ultra rare spawn (1 per world) that rewards exploration and benefit you significantly, so you are supposed to ever get 1 copy (and not of both biome) and only through exploring the shrines themselves

And yes, they are intentionally harder to find (which will be better at next patch where they have a designated/more visible spawn area now) and basically is one of the element that contribute to "every run is different" feeling, as you will not find every shrine in every playthrough

[bright crag]

^

Devs won't be adding a shrine-finding item either

But the unique light sources and generally larger, recognizable shrines should make them easier to spot

[gentle vector]

@small timber no it was not sarcazm. And i could not have gotter a better answer. I saw the changelogs about shrines so i was cuorious why can we get more of them like bast statues sulphuric sea effigy etc. But i was olmost sure i overlooked something big to why this isnt a thing yet and u pretty much sumed it up. And i dint make a worthles subbmision hehe

[small timber]

basically they are completely different thing yeah (in terms of how they are designed to be obtained)

[gentle vector]

Basicaly my smool brain was draging this item to evry farm/arena thinking why cant i have more of them and place em down for good. But i was oblivious to the fact that is soo good that im taking the time and extra effort to make sure i bring it to whereever i inteend to fight smth

[thin crane]

Ye

[drowsy plank]

man doesnt even realize how invalid his sugg is

[swift wharf]

@whole tundra

[crude geode]

@whole tundra

[crude geode]

🐌

[swift wharf]

double kill

[whole tundra]

oh

[swift wharf]

what the fuck I posted it first

[whole tundra]

Deleted the post

Sadly they will remain hard as fuck to find then

[small timber]

next patch they will make the area where you find a shrine much bigger (it is a spoiler so I will not post here)

they have nearly a "dedicated area" around them now (instead of now where it is just a random chest inside walls or something), just their spawn is still random
but if you are near them they should be very easy to spot in next patch

[whole tundra]

I know

I should make a mod for Shrine Locators

[swift wharf]

They're supposed to be items that you find occasionally

Not every pt

Adding a locator would just ruin their purpose

[bright crag]

Yeah, sadly

I posted a similar suggestion directly to the devs, but many were against it
You are supposed to find them by chance as a neat surprise

[small timber]

I think it will be reasonable to like, use shimmer to swap between some specific shrine item (given if you put the appropriate material) just as an easter egg/get around

[cobalt pewter]

such wow factor can only go so far

[small timber]

since sometimes you found the one you don't need and you just can't find the one you absolutely want, that way you can swap around

99% of people will not discover it by accident

[bright crag]

1.4.4 isn't here so we don't have a definitive list of Shimmer transformations yet

[small timber]

oh right even tmod isnt finish porting

[bright crag]

But I suggested swapping Granite and Marble
Which are the tricky ones

[fossil finch]

the wow factor of shrine items when it still doesnt exist because they still suck after i

[golden tulip]

gladiator locket

woohoo

[swift wharf]

so useful ! !

such is the fate of categories of accessories

some suck

some are broken

[golden tulip]

but hey they look better now

[swift wharf]

subjective

[small timber]

opinion is subjective yes

somewhere out there there are people who rate gravity globe 10/10

[swift wharf]

no theres not

they're all dead

[small timber]

@winter carbon this item exist and have a very easy crafting recipe

and in my experience it is extremely effective to the point that you certainly get the cost back + a lot more left

[winter carbon]

oooh, I didn’t know that existed

[small timber]

I understand what the suggestion is trying to get at, but doesn't "better to look at" completely disconnect from the other 2?

[bright crag]

About shrines
The reworked ones are pretty useful, Luxor's and Tundra Leash already were

[gilded scroll]

fair. will remove

[bright crag]

I hope Surface Shrine can be made to spawn like a sword shrine
With the gap leading to the Surface

[gilded scroll]

hopefully trinket of chi wont be trinket of shet

[bright crag]

In 1.4.4 you'd be able to (if this is accepted) trade Locket for Unstable Core
How's that?

[bright crag]

It's now a solid defensive accessory

[gilded scroll]

well, im sure the public would like to look at it before making a statement like that

[small timber]

trading a not very useful pre-HM exclusive minor summon accessory to a massively overpowered accessory that scale into end game (somehow)
"the art of trade"

[gilded scroll]

ah yes, the negotiator]

[small timber]

(unless unstable core is nerfed, then yeah)

[bright crag]

Well, sure
This is simply my opinion :p
As someone who knows the rework

I hope all useless shrine items can be reworked

[gilded scroll]

hopefully.

[small timber]

effigies are like goated, onyx excavator key is onyx excavator key, trinket of chi is reworked, unstable granite core is unbalanced, fungal symbiote is unbalanced (and reworked?); so that left with luxor's gift, tundra leash and gladiator's locket

I think luxor's gift is still a good pre-HM accessory especially pair with sharktooth necklace, so like, 2 of them I guess?

tundra leash is only useful because of a bug, not sure how it perform without the bug

[bright crag]

Onyx Excavator Key won't be in a random ass shrine anymore

That's all I'll say...

[bright crag]

Nah it's a solid mount early on

Fungal Symbiote has quite an interesting rework which will make you a champignon connoisseur

[inner anvil]

It's a cool accesory now, I'll give a little little spoiler and I'll say Multiplayer. 🤫

[bright crag]

Also multiplayer, yes
So having one per world isn't such a problem

[inner anvil]

Yeah, and that's awesome.

[inner anvil]

"Interesting" is a good way to describe the accesory.

[golden tulip]

that doesnt make the accessory better

[bright crag]

(I know)

Then again, hopefully it will be reworked

But it is good to have the possibility of trading them, specially since Marble and Granite shrines are so elusive

[golden tulip]

yea i guess being able to switch it is good

but like the only use would be
using it for something else

[small timber]

I think gladiator's locket suffers from the fact that it is balanced around like pre-boss tier while basically having true melee range

Therefore I think to make locket useful just make its damage scale with bosses and progression I think imo iirc maybe maybelline

[golden tulip]

scaling items

[grim tusk]

Scaling items

[frosty trellis]

Or just balance the locket for like, skeletron so it's not dogshit
Or make it like Aesthetics and scale with all damage from all classes except rogue

[golden tulip]

dude

the entire concept just sucks

it would be better to rework it

[frosty trellis]

Fair

It is semi cool though so I wouldn't say the concept sucks but I see what you mean

[golden tulip]

it doesnt work

you cant buff it enough

it is cool but it just doesnt work

[hollow shell]

@gilded scroll Not a very actionable suggestion is it?

[gilded scroll]

what do ya mean actionable?

[hollow shell]

It's hard for it to be considered started and finished. Broad in scope and blurry in edges.

[gilded scroll]

Well, i could delete it, and write it again later to make it more concise, if you want?

[inner anvil]

What I read from this suggestion is that you want the bad summons to be good summons.

Which is indeed what we plan already.

[gilded scroll]

well, that is good, because my issue with summoner is that there are summons that constantly are just so powerful that other summons get overshadowed. like Sanguine, for example. a weapon you can get in the start of hardmode should not be able to carry you right to plantera.

[inner anvil]

I know, I need to nerf that one.

[hollow shell]

Ideally your suggestion would point out a summon in specific that sucks
So that it can be more directly and knowingly executed, and so that the devs know which summons suck and why

And you can post as many suggestions as you need to point out all the shitty summons

[inner anvil]

A lot of those are known already though, but I guess it helps.

[hollow shell]

Make use of the Balance Suggestions thread in pins, if it's a concern about stats n balancing rather than the core functionality

[gilded scroll]

i might do that, actually, thank you for the criticism. will go ahead and remove the existing one.

[hollow shell]

[inner anvil]

Great.

[gilded scroll]

i have a few summons i wish to complain about, not gonna lie.

[hollow shell]

(Ice Claspers and Entropy's Vigil, notably)

[inner anvil]

You can tell me, I guess I became the summoner guy of the team.

In the thread, that is.

[hollow shell]

I think the former had a sugg recently?

[gilded scroll]

Vigil was actually the one i was gonna rant about. I like it as a concept, but in execution? eh.

[hollow shell]

Yeah indeed
This is kind of a broad suggestion too but at least they narrow it down to 2 weps in their first line
#suggestions-voting message

[inner anvil]

So easy to say, much more difficult to do. 😔

Well, with time we'll get there.

[frosty trellis]

May I suggest #1042197406776827914

[inner anvil]

He has been told already.

[frosty trellis]

Which summons then?

[gilded scroll]

i wouldnt really suggest how to improve Vigil (as i have zero ideas), but i think a good first step would to make it not an optic staff clone?

[frosty trellis]

Ik about sanguine being hilarious

[hollow shell]

Vigil was probably put on intentional hold until Calamitas Clone got her big redesign, but that's gotten pushed back quite a bit now.

[inner anvil]

We'll see what we do.

[frosty trellis]

I thought entropy's vigil was actually good what

[hollow shell]

MPG

[frosty trellis]

?

OH
Rework

I am dumb

[gilded scroll]

overshadowed by the existence of funny bat staff

[hollow shell]

More importantly it's fucking Optic 2

[frosty trellis]

Optic 2 yeah

[frosty trellis]

That's.... Alarming

[gilded scroll]

and we all know how bad the optic staff AI is

[inner anvil]

Which I already know I needed to nerf a long while ago, I just can't yet because doing so in the current version would be bad becuase in 1.4 it's a bugged weapon, in 1.4.4 it's fixed, and I'll be able to nerf it.

[frosty trellis]

^

Same with Terrarpisma

And tMod still hasn't ported to 1.4.4 yet period

[gilded scroll]

indeed. i know calamity isnt a perfect mod, but sometimes i just sit there and wonder: why is weapon x doing as good as weapon y when you get it way before.

[glass arch]

because balancing moment

[inner anvil]

If it's summoner it's because I either forget or I'm too lazy.

Normally the first.

[gilded scroll]

really, it applies to all classes.

[inner anvil]

To other classes IDK.

I just deal with summoner usually.

[frosty trellis]

Average early hardmode melee weapon being viable for Moonlord

✨ Melee speed Xyk's beloathed ✨

[glass arch]

balancing moment 💀

[frosty trellis]

Forsaken Saber is viable for fucking dragonfolly

[hollow shell]

Balancing is a constant struggle, rarely are cases like that intentional
It's just that there are so many damn items that it's hard to juggle them all

[gilded scroll]

what

[gilded scroll]

which is unfortunate, but we have to live with it.

[frosty trellis]

✨ Melee speed + shotgun projectiles ✨

[glass arch]

melee speed is funny

[grim tusk]

Or smth like classes like summoner and rogue being too volatile and if you touch something; then something else will shit itself

[gilded scroll]

Dank Staff:

that was a fun period

[grim tusk]

Bugged weapons funni

[frosty trellis]

Tried to buff dank/blood clot staff bc it was just not good
Ended up making it a minute under kt for moonlord

[glass arch]

summoner casually being the best class for a single patch

[gilded scroll]

not all accidents are bad

[frosty trellis]

Summoner when you could literally beat the entire game with 3 weapons that were all perfectly viable for said bosses

[inner anvil]

That was not me, don't blame me.

[glass arch]

it is for balancing purposes

[frosty trellis]

I still blame you for making TPE the second best summon for SCal

[inner anvil]

Who?

[grim tusk]

Creates rotten dogtooth
find an infinite stealth exploit in beta
patch said exploit
on public someone finds another infinite stealth exploit
patch new exploit
yet another exploit
patch it for good

[inner anvil]

So many acronyms.

[frosty trellis]

Tactical Plague Engine

[inner anvil]

I didn't do that as well.

[frosty trellis]

Was the second best summon for SCal
Was the best until I realized kindles were better

[gilded scroll]

we are the ones that break the game for ya

[grim tusk]

I remember when I was the one doing the gamebreaking

[frosty trellis]

It's also partially broken rn due to the fact that Holy Fire, Tera and Hyperius bullets secondary effects can crit rn

[inner anvil]

Lmao Plague Engine is unbalanceable.

[grim tusk]

Old die and Glove of recklessness lol

[glass arch]

there's always gonna be one or two people who make it their life purpose to crack the game wide open and break everything

[frosty trellis]

It affects Cosmic Viper Engine as well

Which is the best summon for Yhaorn atm

TPE is still viable for DoG

[gilded scroll]

what bout Black Hawk?

[inner anvil]

I was against the Engine summons using Ranger Bullets, but everyone else accepted, so now here we are.

[frosty trellis]

GoR cutting down hypothermias kt by a full minute over v-locker:

[frosty trellis]

It does as well but if you can get tera bullets you can get a better summon

[gilded scroll]

you have a point

[grim tusk]

Imagine if it was the older GoR

That shit made the unviable supernova perfectly viable and shredding scal even when you added old die

[gilded scroll]

anyways, i must go now, im going to absolutely fucking murder MoR bosses with Rogue, peace out

[grim tusk]

Now GoR + Supernova is back lmfao

[frosty trellis]

The bullet crits are the reason they are overtuned
Also they would still be better than slugs after that gets patched because God Slayer Slugs have iframes issues with the engines

[frosty trellis]

What was the older GoR?

I only started playing calamity in 1.5.1.6 so I am not familiar with older shit

[grim tusk]

+20% throwing speed
-10% dmg

[frosty trellis]

DEAR GOD

Exe blade spam with that shit would be fucking sub 1 minute Yharon

[grim tusk]

Old die before just being a luck item was vanilla’s luck rerolling dmg before luck even existed (only applied to rogue)
It also used to make dmg deviation -25/+30, then it got nerfed to be -+15 (and Calamity made the regular dmg deviation be -+5) and it was still op as shit even outside of rogue (mage was the second best abuser of old die)

[frosty trellis]

MAGE LOL

[grim tusk]

Spam rogue used to be a fucking beast pre-1.5

[frosty trellis]

People shitting on mage
Casually glancing at all the obscene mage shit

[frosty trellis]

Fair enoug

I remember hearing stealth rogue used to be literally unviable for a long time

Dunno why though

[grim tusk]

1.4.4.1 venerated locket casually doubling your dmg

[frosty trellis]

WHAT

[grim tusk]

Formula used to be bad, most stealth strikes were weaker than just spamming (until 1.4.4 where good stealth strikes appeared, including Skyfin bomber (which then Cobalt kunai would emulate on 1.5 after Skyfin losing 2 projectiles), adamantite throwing axe, Final Dawn slash (it used to be so good when it was pre-Yharon), Eclipse’s fall, Celestus (vs hearts or seekers), Gacruxian Mollusk, Stormfront razor, Blazing star. Stealth relied on stacking all of stealth regen as possible. All of these broken monstrosities yet spamming was still better most of the time lol)

1.4.4 was one of the most unbalanced updates due to softcaps being very absent

If you think unstable granite core is strong as fuck now. Back then it was another fucking beast

[frosty trellis]

Was that when Stream Gouge used to be the single best weaopn for Yharon period?

[grim tusk]

That was 1.4.5

[frosty trellis]

Ah

[frosty trellis]

Didn't it have a bug with scarlet devil where it just tripled it's damage for no reason?

[grim tusk]

That was The Bee but Prism could do that without being bugged

[frosty trellis]

Prism?

What is that?

[grim tusk]

Unstable Prism

Which then got renamed into Unstable Granite Core

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Icic

[grim tusk]

Funny how we have nerfed it 4 times and still is strong as fuck

[frosty trellis]

How exactly do the sparks with unstable granite core work?

I've never found it in a pt so I've never used it

[grim tusk]

1- softcap
2- no longer procs itself
3- nerf
4- less frequent sparks
5- soon™️

[grim tusk]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Unstable_Granite_Core

[hollow shell]

Mixely??

[gray nebula]

[hollow shell]

No 1x1 that I can see

[gray nebula]

it's a bit squixed as well

[hollow shell]

I guess mixing 2x2 with 4x4??

[gray nebula]

square cluters dosnt mean mixeld

[hollow shell]

byeah

[drowsy plank]

do people actually struggle with OOA in calamity?

[gilded scroll]

meh, not really. i just dont do it on tier

[drowsy plank]

lol

[gilded scroll]

but on tier.....ehh, only tier 3 is that big of an issue, mainly Betsy

[drowsy plank]

i am curious, would moving shinobi to rogue actually go against the suggestion rules? cause like rn the only difference between shinobi and valhalla knight is that one gets melee speed instead of crit, while the other gets regen

and also like. OOA be like.

[gilded scroll]

i mean, it wouldnt be much of a significant change, considering Umbraphile would be better anyways

[drowsy plank]

true

[sudden monolith]

This is primarily a tier 3 issue, the others aren't too bad

[drowsy plank]

at least then every class would have an OOA set

[gilded scroll]

really, the only good OOA set is Valhalla, and then it got nerfed quite a bit

[sudden monolith]

I used it in my recent summoner playthrough vs providence, it was the only way I could beat her

worked better than stardust armor

[drowsy plank]

valhalla knight?

[gilded scroll]

1.3 stardust armor: 💀

[drowsy plank]

i mean we are on 1.4 stardust now so

[unreal viper]

1.3 stardust is still good.

[sudden monolith]

yeah, valhalla knight is pretty good if you use a lot of summoner accessories

and witch's broom

vs providence only

[drowsy plank]

fr shinobi and monk seem incredibly useless

why does melee need two OOA sets anyway

[unreal viper]

No idea.

[sudden monolith]

yeah, and tier 2 OOA has 3 different melee weapon drops

all of which are bad

the ranged and magic drops are awesome

[gilded scroll]

Squire and Valhalla are really the only desirable sets from OOA tbh

[unreal viper]

The only difference is that monk and shinobi have melee speed but no regen.

[gilded scroll]

the others are eh, and bad.

[sudden monolith]

Betsy's wrath would be good on-tier, but most people don't fight betsy right after golem

because of the damage nerf

[unreal viper]

Ooa sets used to be great back in the day, although never really for the full sets.

[drowsy plank]

...why does dark artist armor boost the explosion radius of a ranged weapon

god what a clusterfuck lmfao

[fossil finch]

ALSO THE FIRE LOOKS A LITTLE MIXELY

[swift wharf]

the items are post golem they're not supposed to be providenec viable................

[sudden monolith]

Valhalla knight armor has summoning boosts similar to spooky armor, just less slots. But calamity has way more slot-adding accessories, so...

A different suggestion I thought was 'remove ooa armor's summoning damage boost and replace it with:
-tier 1: lower minion nerf to -25%
-tier 2: remove minion nerf when not using a summoning weapon

[fossil finch]

We should remove ooa so we have less stuff to balance

[sudden monolith]

If that's a better suggestion, I can switch to that

[tidal plaza]

Invalidating vanilla content has kinda always been Calamity's jam, they've fixed it up a bit recently but

[fossil finch]

Se sbould invalidate more vanilla content

[glass arch]

i mean even in vanilla would you realistically go for ooa armor

[fossil finch]

all of it

tbh

[tidal plaza]

Although Stardust is still better than Tarragon and Bloodflare so you never know

[fossil finch]

Including the engine
You can no longer play calamity at all because calamity replaces the terraria engine

[tidal plaza]

If you play with other mods alongside Calamity you're forced into it so maybe? Fargo's comes to mind

[swift wharf]

no because ooa suicks

[fossil finch]

Only fargos cares about ooa because souls

No other mod does

Cares

Minds

[swift wharf]

yes

[fossil finch]

Ooa is already pretty full and done content wise and It's Not That Fun

Either way

[swift wharf]

i love suggestions about trimming the leaves of the big "ooa sucks" tree

[tidal plaza]

You don't like idling in one place?

[swift wharf]

no

[tidal plaza]

C'mon, stand around for 15+ minutes. It's "fun"

[swift wharf]

i can do that with arsenal charging

[sudden monolith]

OOA is actually top tier in vanilla

[swift wharf]

[sudden monolith]

have you looked at the stats?

[tidal plaza]

OOA is top tier for niché builds

[swift wharf]

yeah but imagine doing when you could just use everything else

[sudden monolith]

it's like hallowed or chlorophyte but with way better minion stats

[tidal plaza]

As in "I want to achieve max melee speed"

[fossil finch]

"Have you looked at the stats" people when i bash their skull with a rock (i don't give a shit about the +5 damage every full moon when farting)

[tidal plaza]

Bro, don't diss Dark Sun Ring

[sudden monolith]

True, using armor at all is kind of cringe

[tidal plaza]

"Just dodge, lmao"

[sudden monolith]

I think I'll remove my suggestion, though. It won't fix the real problem (calamity players don't care about OOA and they're right because it doesn't fill any niches that calamity is missing)

I just wish it wasn't hard to beat when Boss checklist suggests it

because I like seeing all the checkmarks filled in

[novel belfry]

solid sugg

[quartz tulip]

For my post, I was trying to set up a system to switch between peace/tranquility and water/chaos candles across an entire arena; I noticed that only the water/peace candles were switching properly, while the chaos and tranquility effects remained regardless of their visuals.

Searched the discord server and found it mentioned a few times, but it never seemed to go anywhere

Wasn’t sure if this should be a bug report instead, but since right click functionality is completely different (breaking candle instead of turning it off) I figured it wasn’t originally made to match vanilla exactly

[grave zinc]

@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an outline to Providence's attacks]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sleek turret - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Wulfrum Drill and Wulfrum Fishing Pole unique gimmicks.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[glass arch]

lets GOOOOOOOOOOO

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Certain Part of Thanatos Always Vulnerable (even if it takes less damage), eg: the Head]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[sudden monolith]

That's great! Thanks for suggesting it

[frosty trellis]

MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Thanatos will be melted or hell forever

[gray nebula]

[cobalt pewter]

it's """""""""""intended""""""""""", so no one has any say about it

fuck all of yoy

[frosty trellis]

It's

SO BAD

[fathom aspen]

[frosty trellis]

It makes half of Auric tier literally unviable on Thanatos and then randomly Stellar Contempt is Thanatos viable

[cobalt pewter]

no no but it's intended, so it won't be changed whatsoever

truly very feedback friendly

[frosty trellis]

It's fking stupid is what it is

[cobalt pewter]

[frosty trellis]

Thanatos need:
To be less melt prone
Not EoC speed outside of berserk

[glass arch]

on the plus side

prov sugg went thru

[frosty trellis]

Yeah thankfully

That is very nice

But the Thanatos one....

[glass arch]

thanatos is both super laggy and also never dies when i want him to

[frosty trellis]

Thanatos isn't laggy for me without specific weapons

[cobalt pewter]

the strat in exos is literally to kill thana first so you don't get to have headaches involving its bs

[frosty trellis]

Oh god Eidolon staff is probably better on Thanatos than most of Auric Tier

[glass arch]

hes a worm boss so he immediately drops my frames to like 10

[frosty trellis]

I mean running on two platforms with celestial tracers outruns phase 1/5 thanatos 100% consistently

[small timber]

I know the suggestion have like 99% chance to get denied
Which is why I listed an alternative to just make Thanatos more aggressive which fits currently where Thanatos is just too weak almost all the time

[frosty trellis]

YEAH

Make phase 1/5 thanatos not eoc speed PLEASE

[errant bobcat]

Me with soul of eternity with a potato pc, clicks once: computer dies

[trail girder]

I have a 10 year old computer, doesn't have issues with exomechs

[hollow shell]

@trail girder This could be a valid suggestion, but you need to format it properly.
Title needs to be on a separate line (Shift+Enter), with reasoning below. Otherwise the bot can't deliver it

It would also help if you described the issue in greater detail.

[cobalt pewter]

oh that's interesting

[rugged belfry]

Age doesn't determine the power of the computer, and there are more factors than just that. Internet plays a large role as well.

[errant bobcat]

Also SOE is a very different kind of strain on your computer than exos

[bright crag]

^

There's also the concern that Calamity already has a lot of keybinds, so please take that into consideration

[gentle vector]

@rugged belfry the game itself has its own limits aswell from my own experience

From having so many mobs that the game stops calculating them taking damage and just phasing tru or just droping tru blocks in the ground or better actuacing so much blocks u need to sit up to mutiple munutes for them all to turn off or on if ur game dosent crash fully in the procces

[quartz tulip]

The keybind could be set to right click by default, with an option to change it to something else

Another alternative to the listed suggestion could be disabling right-click block interactions while holding a weapon with right-click functionality

I personally was using a right click weapon a few days ago, and kept accidentally clicking on gravestones in my arena, stopping me in my tracks until I exited out of the gravestone UI
it can be a really bad problem if you have smart cursor on (which I did at the time), it wouldn't be quite as bad if I had it off

[fossil finch]

iirc disabling interactions is just not possible

the solution here is to press control (disable smart cursor)

[tidal plaza]

Also just tidy up the arena

[drowsy plank]

disable smart cursor and break ur graves lmao

[errant bobcat]

I do have this issue as well, but yea, it’s fixed by just turning off smart cursor during fights and breaking unnecessary interactables

And get rid of your money trough during fights if ur using that

[serene tendon]

@hollow shell isn't Gem Tech donor or dev?

[bright crag]

@bronze tendon Gem Tech is a donor armor

It can't be removed
And it would only be changed with the donor's permission

[gilded scroll]

Exo Armor is already planned too- gonna be more defensive.

[bright crag]

Besides, there are plans to have an actual Exo armor using Miracle Matter

Yeah

[gilded scroll]

(i think its gonna be a tank armor?)

[bright crag]

Yes, it will

Demonshade is extreme offense
Exo is extreme defense
Auric is balance

[gilded scroll]

honestly though, an armor or something that can implement other exo super attacks would be kinda dope though, just imo

[bronze tendon]

Oh

[gilded scroll]

sorry man. rules are rules

whos gonna tell that man.

[frosty trellis]

If you don't use demonshade enrage it's actually a fairly balanced set-

But yeah fair enough

[swift wharf]

auric is bad*

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[swift wharf]

goofy ahh 3 sets slapped on top of each other

[frosty trellis]

Auric is still a necessity for Rogue but for other classes I would go Demonshade for endgame and just not hit the enrage key

As you get better damage, more health and mana, the devil and you have like 70+ life regen while standing still

And also has more defense than Auric Melee

[unreal viper]

Yeah Demonshade is just meta at this point, maybe even for all classes because of how many minions it gives.

Who even cares about the damage penalty when you get like 100% summon damage anyway.

[frosty trellis]

Not all since Stealth Rogue needs Auric

But yeah

[novel belfry]

inb4 sugg to make stealth not limited to armors

[cobalt pewter]

I am fairly sure

there has been such suggs before

at least I knew I did

#suggestions-voting message

[novel belfry]

got a hella lot of votes, but got ignored cause there were other suggs with EVEN more votes

wonder if it could be brought back

[cobalt pewter]

I will personally revive it if Shade approves of the sug

though the last paragraph is irrelevant now that the stealth description is yeeted to the meter

but the rest would still work

[frozen hornet]

Is it still going to use inanis' sprite or will someone else make another one

[bright crag]

Another one, unfortunately

[serene tendon]

Pretty sure that'd only work if Calamity added a proper class selection

Which would also kill side summons so that's cool

[swift wharf]

proper class selection

?

[serene tendon]

Like a class selection UI that pops up when you load into a world

and you can only use stuff from that class

[swift wharf]

That's cringe

[small timber]

that omega cringe

[swift wharf]

🔨

[small timber]

one of the appeal of terraria is literally that you can do whatever you want

[swift wharf]

1. Early game is not supposed to have a specific class
2. Forcing classes is dumb

⚡

[small timber]

get a 1% legendary drop from a boss that looks amazing? WOW here is a config so you cant use it, forever, because it is not your class

[serene tendon]

Just pointing out that that's the only way I can think of that would work for stealth being disconnected from armor

How else do you detect if someone is a rogue?

[swift wharf]

tie stealth to weapons

[small timber]

they can just put it on any max stealth and make stealth only work with weapons

yeah

[serene tendon]

What about RoD?

[small timber]

because stealth strike already dont work with non-rogue weapon, just see from gemtech

[swift wharf]

not having stealth while you rod wont kill you lmao

[serene tendon]

One of the advantages of stealth is having RoD at the ready while you charge it

[small timber]

that doesnt change anything

their stealth bar can still be charging up

can always make it classless + rogue weapon where the stealth bar shows, + why do you have max stealth on non-rogue class anyway

[serene tendon]

Would RoD be treated like a rogue weapon then?

[swift wharf]

literally just

dont care abour rod

if you tie stealth to weapons then there's no reason for rod to do anything special

[serene tendon]

Then stealth would drain back down while holding RoD

[swift wharf]

sure

[serene tendon]

Which is a little dumb imo

I think it's worked as an armor trait this long, I don't see a reason to change it.

[small timber]

tldr:

• stealth strike only works with a rogue weapon (which is already the case, you cant stealth strike with non-rogue weapon on gemtech armor)
• move stealth strike to be tied to if you have max stealth or not rather than to your armor
• and done, literally, because you only get max stealth from armor and accessories anyway, not like you will get max stealth on non-rogue class

the only thing that is being moved is just that instead of armor only, you can stealth strike as long as you have max stealth (which can be from accessories and armor instead of just armor)

[swift wharf]

make the player have a base stealth t bh

[serene tendon]

If stealth showed up for all classes new players who are not going rogue would be very confused

[small timber]

your max stealth bar is 0 if you dont have rogue stuffs

so there is no stealth bar if you are not playing rogue

[serene tendon]

What if the Stealth bar still charges regardless of gear, but it's invisible unless a rogue weapon is in hand

[small timber]

the only change this helps is basically so that you can use stealth strike on armor that have no max stealth, like omega blue or reaver armor
because you can have max stealth from accessories

[swift wharf]

that would work

but make it visible if you have rogue armor and accs too

to make it easier to use

[drowsy plank]

just make stealth charge while there is a rogue wep in inventory

[swift wharf]

that would work but

starter bag throwing brick

[drowsy plank]

im sure they would figure it out eventually if you mean it would confuse people, just add a tooltip or smthn or make the effects invis while not holding or wearing rogue armor/accs like mewk said

[swift wharf]

actually tbf it showing up because of throwing bricks would kind of introduce the player to stealth

[small timber]

or just give it something like "if you have no max stealth, equipping/selecting a rogue weapon give you 10 max stealth"
that way if you have nothing and only a rogue weapon you can still stealth strike, and the stealth bar dont show up when not using rogue weapon since your max stealth is 0

[swift wharf]

or give the player 10 base stealth and reduce everything by 10

byeah

[cobalt pewter]

what's the topic here again

[serene tendon]

Yeah definitely

[small timber]

out of curiosity: since Calamitas Clone resprite is effectively shut down (as the original concept is from iban), is there any plan to reuse the (old) eyeball Supreme Calamitas sprite on Calamitas Clone instead?

mainly because I thought the original idea was the Calamitas Clone is intentionally an inferior/less intimidating version of Supreme Calamitas sprite, but since Scal is fully resprited now and Calclone is not getting one anytime soon why not reuse that one on Calclone?

since the current calclone one still have those weird pointy/benty bits that looks abit unnatural while old scal one is more circular/natural (although admittedly still look like metallic eyeball)

[bronze tendon]

Wait. Calclone isn't being resprited? I apparently havent been keeping up on everything...

[bright crag]

Calclone's concept art was made by Iban, a dev who left the team and doesn't want us to use his concepts

The desire to resprite Calclone to be more loyal to the lore (mechanic-necromantic clone of Calamitas) is still there, tho

We just don't have the design anymore

[lapis timber]

do you guys know if old duke boss is a reference to Mike Ehrmantraut from breaking bad?

[blazing kettle]

who?

i dont know who that is so i highly doubt it

[serene tendon]

When did that movie come out?

[lapis timber]

tomorrow

[serene tendon]

That's not possible

I have a suspicion Old Duke came out way before BB

[distant gyro]

on god

[lapis timber]

impossible

[serene tendon]

Although idk, haven't watched it

[distant gyro]

breaking bad is a tv series

it's like 2010

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok

[distant gyro]

it's not though

to answer the question

[lapis timber]

😭

[lapis timber]

are you the old duke creator?

[distant gyro]

no

[serene tendon]

Devs know things

[swift wharf]

I wonder what the dev team thinks of OD

[lapis timber]

then you really dont know

[distant gyro]

but the concept behind old duke was just "add boss for acid rain lmao"

[blazing kettle]

what led you to think this though

[glass arch]

iris is a dev, id expect them to know

[blazing kettle]

old duke looks like a old pig fish

not a person

[serene tendon]

If you're a dev you have contact with Fabsol, who made OD I think

[distant gyro]

depending on who you're asking

[lapis timber]

old duke is Mike

im certain of it

[blazing kettle]

agqin i have no idea who that is

[glass arch]

old duke is an ancient fish

[lapis timber]

why not

it´s a cool character

[swift wharf]

Well what do you think

[lapis timber]

and they are lookalike

[blazing kettle]

i looked it up and i dont see the similarities at all

is it because they are both old?

[glass arch]

probably

[lapis timber]

no

it´s the same person

mike and old duke, even the names match each other

[blazing kettle]

im done with this

you belive your weird fantasies

but its not a refrence

[lapis timber]

maybe you´re wrong

you´re wrong too

just read the lore

[obsidian heron]

are you asking this in every channel

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren
1- suggestion needs a title (thus 🗜️ )
2- why though? (thus ❗ , you should explain in your suggestion why the item would be good to have)
3- Fargo’s Mutant has Purity Renewal which does that

[ashen warren]

So what you are saying is that there is already a item that does that?

[grim tusk]

From another mod

doesnt work for astral infection though, that one needs to be done manually but thankfully its all on one spot

[keen zodiac]

it also turns all glowing mushroom into jungle

[drowsy plank]

common fargo L no mushrooms

[errant bobcat]

Odd mushroom in calamity be like

Does anybody actually use that thing

[drowsy plank]

yeah

there's a video in #youtube-videos using it rn lmfao

[errant bobcat]

Ik it’s used in max damage setups but is it too impractical

[errant bobcat]

Nice

[frosty trellis]

On a lot of bosses it's not nearly as bad as people think once you get used to it
And then the 50% damage is really nice

It's only horrible on like, Calclone Bh2 and SCal's bullet hells

[errant bobcat]

Ic ic

[frosty trellis]

It just takes some getting used to

I would never recommend it to anyone but if you can get used to the visual change it's super useful

[errant bobcat]

They should add more trade off things like that and the thing crafted with cosmilite that I forget the name of

[frosty trellis]

Alcohols

Although half of their downsides do not exist

[errant bobcat]

They don’t trade off enough, they practically don’t have a downside yea

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Crafting recipe 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎 👎

A way to make the Profaned enemies stop spawning so you can get the Hallow spawns back 👍

[hardy laurel]

that would also work, and could additionally help with farming red devils

i thought of that halfway through but didnt want to post another suggestion

oh i should delete then re-post right?

[hollow shell]

You can if you want to

[worldly basalt]

the profaned enemies can get really annoying so yea that would be great
(especially the scorn eater and fireball one)

[hollow shell]

I personally greatly dislike our glut of recipes to serve as substitutes for going out and getting the thing you want

or adding more interesting methods for getting those things than the Nothing that is slapping a recipe on it

Sugg looks fine

[tardy geyser]

Wouldn't the item become useless though if the profaned biome gets added?

[fossil finch]

Simply add prof biome already shake my head

[hollow shell]

That won't happen for literally years

[tardy geyser]

True!

[hollow shell]

Adding an item to suppress profaned enemy spawns can be done right now

[fossil finch]

well make years pass

[tardy geyser]

Temporary items are fine ye

[fossil finch]

Enchanted sundial wasn't invented for nothing 🙄

"Temporary" items (they stay for years and years as development changes plans priorities and shits) are lame imo and should be avoided at all costs but there's nothing to do i guess
No way in hell you're fixing the core issue here at all or adding prof biome soon, that does take time after all

[hardy laurel]

its either temp item or horn & pitchfork recipe

imo

[fossil finch]

Remove the profaned content until biome is added ngl.,.

easy fix

[hardy laurel]

lmao

profaned biome is solid confirmed for the future? i feel like another biome would clutter things up a bit

my hallow biomes already get cut in half cus of astral infection most of the time

[hollow shell]

There is definitely going to be some dedicated thing for Profaned content, it won't always just be spawns in Hallow and Hell

The exact execution is dev-private I think, and I have no idea how the plans will change after The Exodus, but
There was indeed a plan

[hardy laurel]

ah

[hollow shell]

(Post-ML needs more world content anyway)

[hardy laurel]

The Exodus? (maybe we move to a diff channel)

[hollow shell]

(referring to the 22 devs leaving earlier this month #mod-announcements message )

(There isn't really an appropriate channel to discuss it, I don't think)

[hardy laurel]

(ah okay)

[crude geode]

Can we consider the cal relics temporary items

[fossil finch]

XD

[frozen hornet]

What if you just make profaned enemies not spawn at night time

[hollow shell]

Would be funky for the Underworld
and the fact that the Hallow does have different spawns in day VS night already (at least it does not seem like there are any day-exclusive spawns)

It is a potential solution though

[frozen hornet]

Underworld funkiness is already there with night provi

I love unknowingly spawning provi at 3 am and having the fight switch in the middle

[small timber]

or just make profaned enemies rare spawn that are more powerful and limited to 1 each time, and make them drop larger amount of unholy essence

[cobalt pewter]

that is a bit more desirable to me

just make them additions to the enemy pool and not replacements

[hollow shell]

They already aren't direct replacements, they just take up space in the spawn pool, and the Hallowed enemies spawn less often as a result

Making em more like uncommon minibosses would indeed help give you more opportunities where there are only Hallowed enemies around

(or, maybe not minibosses
Just, big-deal enemies)

[bright crag]

Could make the Profaned enemies rarer and yield more Essences

I guess

But yeah, a profaned biome will be done in the future

[hollow shell]

eeeeeeventually