suggestions-discussion

[sullen swan]

the segments opening up mechanic would be great on ares where it forces you to damage certain segments
not thanatos where it’s “imma wait for him to open up a lot then melt him”

[drowsy plank]

i just dont think making any enemy temporarily immune except during phase transitions is a good idea

[swift wharf]

I wonder if thanatos is the most last fought emech

because of that

[gray nebula]

better b the case ..

just delete wulf fishing pole; i was gonna do it but i forgot

the whole reasoning for that wulf sugg is just entirely wrong anywya

like only the blunderbuss does

and then theres the scfaffold kit

[small timber]

wulfrum fishing pole "rework" if you have wulfrum scrap in your inventory you use 1 each catch to increase the pole's fishing power by 10%

[gray nebula]

the wulfrum reworks just served to add resource sinks to wulfrum scrap which players had too much of

its just "oh you have too much of this? feel free to dump it into this funny tool

its not about it being a "gimmick"

and its almost all, stuff u acn just ignore

like i wouldnt want to have a drill that needed to be fed wulfrum all the time to get max power

the blunderbuss is the exception cuz ranger already has ammo (and even then it can use coins as ammo

[cobalt pewter]

the janded

[drowsy plank]

frankly id be fine with wulf pole getting a boost off of consuming wulfrum or something. early game fishing is so fucking miserable it's not even funny

it'd be like a big bandaid for the whole mechanic

[small timber]

big bandaid: make the trasher - angler - golden fishing rod thing possible in pre-HM

[drowsy plank]

it used to be i thought

[gray nebula]

just fix it properly tho

instead of tryign to weirdly tack in a gimmick on a random item

like do game design; add smth new or more standout etc

[cobalt pewter]

true

[small timber]

sadly the devs seem to be hesistant to change vanilla things yeah (eventhough there are already several, like chaos state, HM ore rework etc)
the fishing system overall desperately need improvement to make it not "click left click once in a while and make sure you have bait"

though I think at minimum they can just make the line break/bait consumption less bullshit by making the player by default have the effect of those 2 accessories (similar to how base MS/build speed etc improvement works) and just make the fishing accessories have a different useful effect

currently it is just get the 3 accessorires and stack fishing power or you spend your 50 baits fishing trash

[safe oasis]

bait consumption is fine imo

line snapping is dumb but only because it's pure rng, if it was based on something else i'm fine with it existing

[serene tendon]

Yeah, there's a mod that ports Stardew's fishing system to Terraria, something like that would be great to keep fishing interesting.

[small timber]

@serene tendon well, I have a sad news for you

you can still try, but yeah it is ultra slim

[serene tendon]

Oof

[swift wharf]

he has physical shield III but you cant see it

[serene tendon]

The hit sound says otherwise

[swift wharf]

it's like a bulletproof vest

a very good one

but you still feel the pain

by very good I mean he will not be one shot by an arrow

[serene tendon]

An interesting theory, but I'm not quite sure that's how it'd work. And why would he go to the extra effort of making it invisible? Surely that would take a noticeable toll on his mana or whatever he uses to cast his spells?

[swift wharf]

it does thats why he is a easy bos

s

[fossil finch]

The real reason is that he is clearly just that durable

[swift wharf]

hes an evoland cultist

[fossil finch]

the robes are also coated on some +10 strenght and resistance potion

[fossil finch]

True

[serene tendon]

Then the fight would be timed, not based on damage.

[serene tendon]

Not in Rev+ he's not

[fossil finch]

The potion is clearly endless

Alternatively it just lasts like 9 hours

[serene tendon]

Then he'd be invincible

[fossil finch]

he wouldn't

[serene tendon]

I don't think there's much in-between

[fossil finch]

He just gets more stats its not an invincibility potion

There's a lot of in-between plus arguing this is dumb there doesn't need to be a canonical reason for why he resists so much damage. eciipse was just joking with that first comment

[serene tendon]

At the end of the day, we don't know what Red was thinking, the best we can do is make theories, and that seemed exactly like what Eclipse was doing.

[fossil finch]

Red was probably not thinking anything he just gave the cultists the stats needed for it to be a reasonable fight at the place he is in

I do not think there was any time spent why he would have that resistance

[swift wharf]

anyways who is gonna make the cultist shield lmao

[fossil finch]

A plant is stronger than 3 metal machines that are capable of floating terraria does not spend time making sense

[serene tendon]

Take Scal's shield and make it light blue or yellow, seems simple enough

[swift wharf]

you know what that is fair

[serene tendon]

I guess, but to be fair that's one big plant

[fossil finch]

Copying scals shield would be lame as hell i think

No matter how big of a plant you are you are not surviving that many explosions

[small timber]

Pretty sure god slayer armor recipe use less bar next patch so you no longer need absurd amount of bars

Since the rest of the stuff use very minimum amount of bars, while at post Yharon for farming auric tier thing you just melt dog

Yeah, from 55 to 32

[swift wharf]

[serene tendon]

Ah, ok. It'd still be helpful

[frosty trellis]

Even then with 30-40 drop you can still get unlucky and not get the armor
Also the fact that you just don't get enough to get any weapons or accessory upgrades at that point

[serene tendon]

Yeah

That's what I was saying in my reply

[serene tendon]

And lets not forget the Cosmic anvil itself, which requires 10 bars.

[frosty trellis]

Right yeah

[drowsy plank]

are terraprisma trails or like

literally any other particle effect affected in the same way by critter shampoo as what this sugg is asking

cause like

if not

[hollow shell]

@serene tendon LC human-but-has-a-lot-of-HP "it doesn't make logical sense" argument is very weak and contrived, the kind of nitpicking that comedy internet reviewers would point out and get fake mad over

The reason why SCal has a bubble is to increase the size of her hitbox, so that the resprite from being EoC-sized to NPC-sized didn't also increase the difficulty of the fight.
If you are arguing the same for LC, it should be for the same reason. Hitbox size.

[serene tendon]

I did mention that, but I guess I should make it more prominent in the sugg.

[hollow shell]

Yeah the amount of word-space you dedicate to both arguments should be flipped

Hitbox should be the main argument, and explaining his inhuman HP pool should be the little aside

[serene tendon]

@hollow shell How about now?

[hollow shell]

much better Thank you

[serene tendon]

You're welcome!

[hollow shell]

[worldly basalt]

also for the cosmilite thing, wasn't there some sort of plan to make it minable? or am I remembering it wrong

[serene tendon]

When the Distortion is added, probably, but that's far in the future

[glass arch]

the more comsilite dropped is a temporary fix thatll probably be reverted when the distortion comes out

[drowsy plank]

mfw the cultist sugg already got rejected but we're doing it again anyway

like idk maybe it'll pass now with the shift in the dev pool

i would like it to, but i dont have high hopes

[gray nebula]

im p sure back when i was def it wasi n fabs plans so

idk why it even got denied

i mean democrcym;m;m;; binding;; nn;mb;

[fossil finch]

Democracy is binding when

I

[hollow shell]

Yeah I remember you and Dom planning the visuals for a Cultist shield

[bright crag]

When was it denied...?
And yes, I recall it being in the plans

[tardy geyser]

#suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

that's just when the sugg was put into voting lol

it doesn't answer when specifically it was denied

[tardy geyser]

it would have been up to a week later?

[glass arch]

1-2 weeks after

[tardy geyser]

ah ok, I dont see why knowing exactly when it was denied matters anyway

[drowsy plank]

calamity moment

[swift wharf]

a hell naw

[small timber]

@little sentinel true melee weapon that sucks is still a true melee weapon

[frosty trellis]

True Melee DoG only sucks because Last Mourning and Lion Heart are ass and aren't actually strong enough for that stage
Exos are hard for t.melee literally because of Exo Twins AI
SCal t.melee just relies on swaying since Murasama range

I don't see how adding anything to Auric Tier would make sense
Make Last Mourning/Lion Heart actually viable fixed the problem with DoG
Post provi you have Holy Collider and Grax, pre is Stellar Striker and Guilded
Pre ml you get like baleful harvester, astral Blade and pike

[small timber]

and technically you dont need more than 1 each progression, and you have at least 1 each progression

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[small timber]

and also DoG have like 95% DR on body, so unless you true melee the head it is bound to deal garbage damage

[little sentinel]

yeah

[swift wharf]

and this is still a subclass suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Actually t.meleeing the head isn't even viable
You have to go for the tail

And even then it's about 5ish minutes in tester gear

[small timber]

damage consistency issue

[swift wharf]

I like how instead of asking to buff the bad options, people suggest adding more

[small timber]

but yeah regardless, you dont need "more" true melee

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

you will just have the same weapon that function just as bad and slap it on the progression

[little sentinel]

there are a ton of damage buffs for tmelee in accessories and it has a different damage type when hovered over

[frosty trellis]

No, Last Morning and Lion Heart are dogshit and worse than Holy Collider

[blazing kettle]

melee? more weapons???

[swift wharf]

and there is a lot of arrow type accessories

[blazing kettle]

are you insane

[swift wharf]

it deals melee damage

it does not deal true melee only damage

it is a subclass

[small timber]

the question is always: why do we need MORE, instead of just BUFF the weak ones

[little sentinel]

i dont think bows do arrow damage

[swift wharf]

yeah it's the bow that deals damage

[worldly basalt]

true melee is definitely a subclass

[frosty trellis]

Literally just make Last Mourning and Lion Heart viable for DoG, give Exo Twins some sort of drunken state so they aren't hell for most players as true melee and it's fine
SCal already has changed AI based on holding a t.melee weapon and Murasama does a ton to her and D.Rage can do a lot as well

[little sentinel]

That is true.
I guess it's more because I personally prefer variety over one very strong weapon, like terra blade.

[small timber]

and also as soon as your suggestion mentioned "true melee only run" it is immediately a subclass suggestion, and there is no room for argument even if you want it not to be

[frosty trellis]

How do you create variety with true melee

[swift wharf]

variety more like

item bloat

[small timber]

true melee is more fleshed out than the average subclass but at the end it is still a subclass

[swift wharf]

lmao!

[frosty trellis]

^

[little sentinel]

I was just using a personal example.

[drowsy plank]

im going to explode you with my mind

no more fucking swords

[fossil finch]

more true melee weapons how about

how about you kys my friend

)keep yourself safe

[small timber]

sadly it is explicitly stated as an example so yeah

[half sage]

"As of now, there are some phases of the game where there is only one (or no) true melee weapon that doesn't suck." so then, buff the ones that suck to not suck instead of adding more weapons, causing the sucky ones to remain as bloat items?

[drowsy plank]

would like to point out cal adds 50 true melee weapons anyway

[little sentinel]

and like a bajillion other weapons

[small timber]

also another thing to note is that, in fact, true melee had a lot more weapon

[drowsy plank]

which im pretty sure is more than all the summoner weapons that existed in vanilla 1.3 so like

[small timber]

but turns out 90% of them just sucks and uninspiring and boring so they are removed

[drowsy plank]

wild

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

there is less than 50 summoner weapons in vanilla 1.4 still iirc

[swift wharf]

i would like to remove true melee

[fossil finch]

so like

trolled

TRUER

BASED

REAL

[small timber]

you dont need "a lot of choice", you just need "choice that matters"

[fossil finch]

give this man a true

[drowsy plank]

i mean fungal symbiote died recently so like

[frosty trellis]

In terms of true melee weapons the only ones that I can think of off the top of my head that actually suck are Comet Quasher, Ferrathorn Claymore, Last Mourning and Lion Heart

[blazing kettle]

thats what im saying!

[drowsy plank]

🤞

[worldly basalt]

fake melee 🤯

[drowsy plank]

we call those projectile swords

[worldly basalt]

sword that's actually a gun

[little sentinel]

What I'm trying to say is that its very oddly fleshed out for a subclass, and feels like it needs more weapons if its literally going to have it's OWN DAMAGE TYPE when you hover over the weapon

[drowsy plank]

wait why the fuck is galileo gladius on the true melee weapon page

[fossil finch]

true melee its not its own damage type youre just gaslighting yourself

[little sentinel]

i mean it isnt just melee damge

damage*

[fossil finch]

point being true melee sucks we should remove it completely from the game

infact we should remove melee

[drowsy plank]

i mean
in the code it technically is different but also fuck true melee all my homies hate true melee

[fossil finch]

bliss

[small timber]

yoyo is a subclass as there are yoyos at almost every single point of progression and a specific accessory for the subclass
bow is definitely a subclass, quiver literaly only amplified arrow damage (except elemental quiver), while flamethrowers, rockets etc all have shroomite helmet variant

true melee do not make an exception here just because there are items that have the tag "increase true melee damage"

no matter how fleshed out it is, at the end it is a subclass, it dont get special treatment

[crude geode]

This chat’s evolution from hating projectile melee to hating true melee is an interesting development

[fossil finch]

we hate both

also its because calamity true melee is stupid as hell

[frosty trellis]

True Melee in general is boring

[small timber]

proj melee = fake ranger/mage, true melee = let me just deal 5x more dps because of my garbage damage uptime and try to balance around it

[frosty trellis]

It's just get close and stab things and maybe they will have a hallway decent effect that spawns a projectile anyways

[small timber]

so yes, there is a reason to hate both

tldr make more exoblade and arks

[frosty trellis]

Pretty kuch

[little sentinel]

rn true melee really feels like trash

[frosty trellis]

It's not

[little sentinel]

other than the perfectly balanced murasama, the whole true melee class or subclass wtver you wanna call it is really trash

[drowsy plank]

it isn't lmao

[small timber]

I dont even think murasama is that strong

[blazing kettle]

perfectly balanced, where have i heard that from

[fossil finch]

mf living in 1.4.5 murasama lmfao

[small timber]

I think the only thing that murasama do better than other true melee weapon is the fact that it have the range of half the screen so you basically dont have to play true melee

[drowsy plank]

mura is def not the poster boy of broken tmelee rn, it's like, good on scal hearts, right? idr what it's used for atm

[crude geode]

I love people whose only opinion of weapons comes from YouTubers

[little sentinel]

bruh

[blazing kettle]

well clearly its OP if gitgudwo says so

[worldly basalt]

very good on hearts yea

[crude geode]

so true

[blazing kettle]

isnt it okay for ares

[worldly basalt]

yea

[little sentinel]

just from experience, murasama is kinda not balanced

[small timber]

and drage is generally just better for hearts, since murasama need 100% crit to 1 shot while drage you just do a runby, AND you can use it on non-melee build

[worldly basalt]

just from experience, it's fine

[blazing kettle]

from what experience? using it on eye of cthulu and skeletron?

[little sentinel]

using it on exo mechs

[worldly basalt]

and for xcal a lot of the time is in the bullet hell phases anyway

[small timber]

murasama have trouble hitting exo twins, can hit ares but because it have resistance it just feels really shit, it can hit thanatos but I dont know how it performs

while for scal you literally have to sway your character to have a chance to hit the boss except for mobile, which is a gigantic bandaid

unless you go super glass cannon with all the offensive buffs and alcohols it just feels really bad, and if you go all the damage buffs and items yes you should be dealing damage

[little sentinel]

for thanatos its actually really good

[small timber]

that is how it is balanced

[worldly basalt]

any big aoe is

[crude geode]

Thanatos balance is fucky wucky

[frosty trellis]

Ares Murasama resistance has been lowered so it's actually fine for Ares now

[little sentinel]

you're not wrong lol

[frosty trellis]

Stellar Contempt when it's viable for Thanatos:

[little sentinel]

especially with like 3k base damage

[small timber]

duststorm in a bottle when it is viable for thanatos

well, you know what else have (about) 3k base damage and is really good

[frosty trellis]

Bro you haven't seen Final Dawn do 46% in one stealth strike then

[small timber]

and that one is REALLY good

[frosty trellis]

Helium Flash when 3:08 Exos:

God how much death would Oblatory Helium Flash cause....

[little sentinel]

literally all im trying to say is tmelee really needs some buffs

[drowsy plank]

it really doesnt

[frosty trellis]

Like, 5 weapons need buffs

At most

[small timber]

no it really don't, if it "needs" buff then it is only specific weapon

[frosty trellis]

Carnage, Feralthorn Claymore, Comet Quasher, Lionheart, and Last Mourning

[worldly basalt]

it just needs to be better vs dog and yharon probably

[small timber]

it have a garbage design of literaly "90% of the fight I am unable to hit the enemy but 10% of the time I deal 10x the dps" but it do, in most case, deal the dps

[frosty trellis]

Everything else is either hilariously broken or fine

[blazing kettle]

might not be relevant to thw conversation, but how does dragon rage do on thanatos?

[drowsy plank]

drage is tmelee so i think it's relevant

[small timber]

you definitely can true melee yharon (it is a minimum average, since I got a 4:00 despite being unexperienced), for DoG it is also because the weapons at that tier just sucks

[little sentinel]

i think we can all agree than prehardmode true melee shouldnt even be given true melee buffs

[blazing kettle]

ah sorry i forgor

[drowsy plank]

yeye dw

[blazing kettle]

incredible

[frosty trellis]

That's with tester gear so only 3 menacing as well

[little sentinel]

yeah drage is kinda insane

[frosty trellis]

And nothing like Warbanner or HoAD

[drowsy plank]

fungal when it's literally just a preHM melee emblem

[frosty trellis]

It's more than that

The spores don't have a cap and can inherit flask buffs

[drowsy plank]

oh i know but that on top of everything else is a comedy funny

[frosty trellis]

I'm so glad that thing is going to die

[small timber]

I think I will just try murasama on exo and see how it perform, then immediately get a result with helium flash

[little sentinel]

you only have to use a brain on the exo twins imo

[frosty trellis]

I have a vid for Murasama getting a little over 8 minutes so yeah

[drowsy plank]

can we just ping rover and get the sugg flagged and call it a day lmao

[crude geode]

@hollow shell subclass sugg

there

[drowsy plank]

we did it guys

[crude geode]

we beat terraria #suggestions-posting

[frosty trellis]

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion message

in other news if this doesn't receive a

I will cry

[drowsy plank]

it would be nice

kinda make it like DoG instead of just

idk what you'd call it rn

[frosty trellis]

I mean yeah please

[drowsy plank]

something alright

[little sentinel]

thanatos is already kind of a joke, but it would be nice ngl

[frosty trellis]

The fact that some weapons are just quite literally unviable due to the stupid opening mechanic is rly dumb

[little sentinel]

true

[crude geode]

it's cool in concept I just wish it's current execution wasn't so scuffed

[frosty trellis]

Try using Phoenix Flame Barrage or Seared Pan or Ataraxia on Thanatos

it's not fun

Especially Phase 1/5 Thanatos

Why is he so damned passive!!!!!

[little sentinel]

I think the main problem is that the closed segments block projectiles so slow firing weapons are nearly unusable

[frosty trellis]

Like he is so slow and passive that literally 2 platforms + celestial tracers can just dodge him forever

[frosty trellis]

Not necessarily even slow firing
Just everything that doesn't deal area damage

[little sentinel]

yeah

[crude geode]

how much does thanatos rng affect killtimes

[frosty trellis]

Yes

[crude geode]

sounds about right

[little sentinel]

too much

[frosty trellis]

Phase 5 Thanatos can cause up to about 45 seconds of varience depending on his segments, arena position and if manipulating him actually works

If I want any somewhat "consistent" times I just run along my arena and go up or down a platform as necessary and just shoot at him (if possible)

Which isn't always possible with something like Ark or Ataraxia

[crude geode]

Fun

[little sentinel]

yeah thanatos is both a joke and a pain

[frosty trellis]

He is extremely melt prone

And if you can't melt him he is most of the fight

[little sentinel]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

If you can melt him he will use 1 T Hanos Beam

At most

If even

Let his head be vulnerable at all times, even if it has DR attached
I need some level of consistency

[little sentinel]

facts

[frosty trellis]

The entire opening mechanic became so much worse since Thanatos a few updates ago got his speed nerfed dramatically, making him extremely passive

[crude geode]

that or any of the 5 other ideas about the damn mechanic in posting

fuuuuun

[crude geode]

as someone who has had a problem with the mechanic being inconsistent since the boss first appeared it's very good to see the mechanic still not changing

[frosty trellis]

He is passive
Literally just loses to 2 platforms and celestial tracers outside berserk

At least in berserk due to the more consistent openings and T Hanos Beam he is at least somewhat consistent just annoying

Thanatos also being passive as fuck is part of the reason the current run to the left forever strat works for Mecha Mayhem and you will quite literally never get hit

By making a sky bridge
Equipping celestial Tracers
And running to the left

[crude geode]

exo mechs try not to have stupid easy cheese challenge

[frosty trellis]

Solo Ares is just fallgod
Thanatos and Mecha Mayhem loses to c.tracers
Twins you can manipulate their shots in a really weird way and basically make it so the shots from Artemis always goes up or down and can just stay at the same level as twins forever

xpc did a vid on that, which was the key strat making Exos in Hell doable

The twins this is super precise so I think that's more fine than the others

[small timber]

I will be honest if I just fight it normally it will take me less try, though that strat is supririsngly useful for surface too

[frosty trellis]

It's useful for the surface yes, just it's precise

And needs a lot of practice to pull off

There is no skill in 2 platforms and celestial tracers or Fallgodding

Hell, magic carpet going to the left beats Mecha mayhem

Magic Carpet try not to be arguably the most overpowered mobility accessory ever challenge

[crude geode]

true

nerf magic carpet

[drowsy plank]

what

@paper jungle you need to format that suggestion correctly

but also

what

[small timber]

That sounds incredibly childish considering the dog's expressed personality in its lore

In fact, the line about 'kid' was altered just because it dont fit his lore personality or something

[blazing kettle]

this sounds like a actual kid wrote this

[crude geode]

Shocked y’all are even acknowledging this

[serene tendon]

On the contrary, the "kid" fits perfectly with DoG's arrogant and self-obsessed personality. The reason given for changing it was "it's cringy"

I don't agree with the removal because yes, someone with DoG's personality is often cringy

so what

[swift wharf]

yawning emoji

[drowsy plank]

🥱

[swift wharf]

cringe bad can we remove donor weapons

[drowsy plank]

so true

[drowsy plank]

@short grove good suggestion but you need to format it to have a title and body

also aureus rework sugg #847569 lmao

[cobalt pewter]

the sprite would've been good as a jet axe weapon

tbh

but alas it's used for inferno fork 3.0

[frosty trellis]

LIterally looks at the entire melee class
Excuse me?

Melee has a ton of cool shit

Ranger just got some fun stuff recently

[hollow shell]

@errant charm That is the most broad suggestion I have ever seen

[frosty trellis]

Mage is getting worked on but has a bunch of cool stuff already and the most gamebreaking enchantments

And rogue is it's own thing entirely

[hollow shell]

And yes look at the Ark & Biome Blade lines

[drowsy plank]

stop making bad suggestions challenge

[errant charm]

I know

[drowsy plank]

also a bit disappointed the lighthouse guy never came back

[errant charm]

ok I have been corrected

[swift wharf]

did they remove other emechs drops or

[glass arch]

@prime quest formatting and reasoning

[drowsy plank]

im begging people to check the current suggestions before posting

[hollow shell]

(a new suggester isn't gonna know what that means)

[glass arch]

(good point)

[hollow shell]

@prime quest
Your suggestion needs to be formatted properly. Main idea must be at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter), with reasoning/elaboration below.

thank god I had this in my clipboard cuz I didn't wanna type it out

[cobalt pewter]

the doc pinned in this channel should be reacted on before you can access #suggestions-posting 🚎

[hollow shell]

nahhh

sugg posting is the filter zone already

None of these improper suggs would reach voting

[cobalt pewter]

true

[drowsy plank]

honestly a channel with only the rules in it that you had to react to before you could access these channels would at least help the issue of like, that one dude that tried to make and SCal exo chair without reading the rules

[glass arch]

it would be nice for people to know how to format correctly so even if its a bad sugg it still looks like they know halfway what they're doing

[prime quest]

I'm gonna make my suggestion properly next morning.

[hollow shell]

alright

[glass arch]

👍

[crude geode]

fr fr, this chat forgets this fact so easily

[solid tree]

Can we add more "higher aggro to self" accessories? especialy the flesh knuckle line.

[hollow shell]

You can suggest something like that yes

if you provide reasoning for why that would be welcome
and
show that there is indeed a current lack of such accessories

[solid tree]

ah sure, i always feel celestial shell and knuckle are lack off some tree

[keen zodiac]

(impossible) (99% fail)

[hollow shell]

Oh

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

@solid tree That's uhh not the kind of suggestion we make here

See the Don'ts doc in pins

[solid tree]

i did, seem i have missed something

[hollow shell]

Suggs should not be proposals for new items that you've given a name and crafting recipe to

Suggs should be more about explaining a problem and why that problem needs fixing

[solid tree]

ah I see

[hollow shell]

also interesting that you'd want to tank as a summoner considering iirc that class is among the worst in terms of defensive stats

[fossil finch]

When the suggestion is sissy

[solid tree]

so i have no place to share that kind?...

[hollow shell]

Yeah there is no official location for you to propose specific item ideas

[solid tree]

i can dodge... most of my friends can't... and yeah... bosses keep charging at them.

[hollow shell]

However you can still propose that more aggro options get added to the game
As long as you don't get too specific with your own personal execution ideas

Basically leaving it up to the devs to come up with the execution side of things

[solid tree]

how sad... thank you for spending time to explain

[hollow shell]

[solid tree]

like how to say?

[hollow shell]

((We used to allow people to propose Specific Item Suggestions, however... the devs rarely ever implemented them. Suggs of that type easily made up over half of the suggestions ever posted back when they were allowed, and rarely did they actually try to solve a problem or fill a niche, they were just outlets for people to propose their Cool New Item Ideas.
I think like 5 or 6 Specific Item Suggestions ever got implemented, out of the hundreds and hundreds proposed.
So, we banned that type of suggestion.))

[solid tree]

I see, so I just need to say "Can we have more accessory which gain aggro? Because Calamity mod has none of that type."?

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Plus, explaining why more aggro accessories would be welcome.

The reason why is the most important part, it's the meat of the suggestion

[solid tree]

"Can we have more things which gain aggro? Because Calamity mod has none of that type. In multiple gameplay, I want bosses charge into me more often, and I want to have more aggro with other classes beside melee."

good to go?

[hollow shell]

A bit short, but, it works

Keep in mind that we do have a bot that auto-delivers suggestions, and it requires that you have a title line at the top that's separated from the rest of the suggestion, using a line break (Shift+Enter). You can use your first sentence there as your title line.

(and, lil correction: "multiple gameplay" should be "multiplayer gameplay")

You may notice that a bunch of suggestions in #suggestions-posting right now have a 🗜️ reaction on them
That means that they don't have a title line, so the bot can't deliver them

[solid tree]

i see

[hollow shell]

That is a valid suggestion now.

Still pretty short tho. It would be welcome if you were able to add on more to your reason (like why you want to be drawing aggro, like you mentioned earlier with helping out your friends who aren't as good at dodging)

[solid tree]

thank you mod.

[hollow shell]

Thank you for being cooperative and understanding

[swift wharf]

Valid suggestion but this is probably just multiplayer being multiplayer

[solid tree]

i don't get your mean, was something happened with "multiplayer"?

[swift wharf]

no

aggro is just fucked like that

[drowsy plank]

@prime quest #suggestions-voting message

also sunken sea already has ultrabright torch so like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime quest]

Okay, though Adding at least Sulphurous sea torches would be nice.

But does ultrabright torches affect luck in the sunken sea?

[drowsy plank]

no

[blazing kettle]

yeah i was gonna say

not formatted properly

also arent suggestions only for ingame changes?

[glass arch]

yeah only for ingame stuff

[rugged belfry]

Literally the first paragraph in the pinned message

[frosty trellis]

Bold of you to assume people read

[rugged belfry]

Oh yeah, forgot where I was

[hollow shell]

I guess to be fair this isn't a ModMail-worthy thing either?

[frail mantle]

yea it's not really server related

[grim tusk]

@fair bane No specific item suggestions
This one is even worse due to reasoning being more towards underperformance of the weapon on its tier (which could be either how you use it, other weapons at the tier being overpowered or the weapon being underpowered) and a suggestion to improve it should be done on #1042197406776827914 instead

@vocal pawn this is not the place for such questions, although the answer is no
(We have T-shirts, mousepads and hoodies though, they should be linked on #mod-announcements )

[vocal pawn]

Damn also sorry

[grim tusk]

@short grove you need reasoning for your suggestion, although weapons not consuming stealth would be inconsistent, as they should consume stealth; any that does not is probably bugged or has some limitation

[short grove]

not all weapons consume stealth

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell

#suggestions-posting message

is this ❗ worthy? You have more experience than I and I have doubts

(Changing Aureus up to not be tanky monstrosity is also planned and on #changelogs )

[grim tusk]

But they should

[short grove]

why would a weapon that isn't a rogue weapon consume stealth

[grim tusk]

@solid tree could you check invisibility potion?

[grim tusk]

Because you are still attacking and getting out of stealth

[short grove]

rogue is the only class that cares about stealth

[grim tusk]

An attack would give you away

[short grove]

if the other classes used it i would agree with you

but they dont

[grim tusk]

And? You are using a weapon that is not rogue

[blazing kettle]

does a classless weapon benefit from stealth?

[short grove]

it's a classless weapon

[worldly basalt]

i dont think it does no

[blazing kettle]

classless weapons usually benefit from stat bonuses

[grim tusk]

Not much

[half sage]

if you could use a non rogue weapon and not break stealth, multiclass rogue would be kinda broken, as you could just use a different class weapon while still building stealth, then pull off a full stealth strike, and switch back to non rogue weapon

[blazing kettle]

huh

[frosty trellis]

Fungal Clump would like to have a word

[grim tusk]

Also true

Esp with shit like Yanmeis

Lunic eye would also be devastating

and Rogue doesnt give a fuck about golden gun since it has flasks

[grim tusk]

That shit will die (hopefully)

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Aethesticus with stealth is bad though
Better to use it with summoner and STN :)

[grim tusk]

:sootrue:

[frosty trellis]

[grim tusk]

@hazy sand #changelogs change 100, enjoy

(You can still leave the sugg tho, I dont see anything wrong with it)

[frosty trellis]

And besides, why stealth when you can traitorous and make a pre polter weapon kill exos in 17 seconds :}

[cobalt pewter]

fucking hell

[short grove]

ah ok so i tested it

[cobalt pewter]

I wanted to keep that a secret until it's fixed

[frosty trellis]

Blame Shade for telling me about it

[short grove]

some weapons, regardless of which class type they are, dont use up stealth

[cobalt pewter]

THEN DON'T tell

[grim tusk]

And they are not supposed to, as I mentioned

[frosty trellis]

Too bad :)

[short grove]

like i tested the bee keeper and it didn't use stealth but the katana does

[cobalt pewter]

I've been working my ass off to keep this from calmain's hands

at least on places I am willing to reach

[grim tusk]

It was literally mentioned on #spoilers-chat-room at one point and it wasnt even me iirc

[cobalt pewter]

this is so sad

[grim tusk]

Thankfully most dont check here 😎

[cobalt pewter]

i am not there

[grim tusk]

Thats a bug

Bee keeper should break stealth

[short grove]

sorry didn't you just say that it makes sense that using any weapon should consume stealth

[grim tusk]

And so should other weapons

[short grove]

oh so that was probably a typo then

[cobalt pewter]

true true

[grim tusk]

Yes they are NOT supposed to keep stealth

They should consume it

[short grove]

but some of them do

[grim tusk]

And they should not

[short grove]

oh

alr so you're saying all weapons should consume stealth

regardless of whether or not they benefit from it

[grim tusk]

Yes

[short grove]

eh ok

you're the dev

[blazing kettle]

not very stealthy when you use rancor right ib front of the eye if cthulu

[grim tusk]

If the plans to rename it would have gone through, the sugg would have still be invalid

But now stealth is too engraved

And its better than options we considered

Not too much focus when you are using other stuff

[short grove]

ya i was just confused since i was playing and noticed some nonrogue weapons didn't use up stealth and other did

[grim tusk]

(Focus was a considered rename)

[grim tusk]

Yea thats a bug

Sadly for some weapons it might be impossible for (such as Murasama)

Beekeeper though, that one is very possible

[worldly basalt]

using a non-rogue weapon still prevents stealth from generating I thought

[grim tusk]

It does indeed

[worldly basalt]

so that already makes multiclassing not very good

[grim tusk]

Rogue spam multiclasses great
Rogue stealth multiclasses horribly outside of a few cases

[worldly basalt]

so this isn't a concern

[grim tusk]

Rogue stealth multiclass works with Demonshade (With Nanoblack Reaper and with enrage) and Gemtech; I havent gotten it to work with Omega Blue, Astral or other armors (RIP Sylvan Slasher)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah classless armors should probably work with stealth

or

here's a great idea

tie stealth mechanic to weapons and only use armors for boosting the value

(especially on rogue armors)

[frosty trellis]

Demonshade doesn't give stealth though....?

[cobalt pewter]

[grim tusk]

Sheath line and Extorter

[frosty trellis]

Oh so you gave yourself 50 stealth then so it would generate

Icic

[cobalt pewter]

give players like

10 stealth when holding a rogue weapon or something

[grim tusk]

10 is enough lol, I like 30

[grim tusk]

also max with accessories is 40 and I aint gonna use Silencing sheath over post-ML accs

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Wait it generates with 10? Huh

I swore it didn't but I digress

[grim tusk]

Yes I fucking nerfed sheath line

It was too strong

[frosty trellis]

I wasn't aware stealth generated when you had only 10

Thought you needed a stealth gen armor to generate stealth in the first place

[hollow shell]

Which changelog? Cursory look at recent stuff only shows a change regarding his movement aggression

[grim tusk]

Change 100

[hazy sand]

Aureus is still really tanky

[frosty trellis]

I know the sheath line was nerfed (Used to give a lot of stealth gen)

[grim tusk]

Remember resting phases have no damage reduction

If Aureus rests more he will be more vulnerable

[hollow shell]

Wait so he's getting Old Duke-like exhaustion phases where his defense and DR drop?

[frosty trellis]

That sounds

Like a terrible idea

[grim tusk]

Like it used to have pre-rework, yes

But they arent as long as with OD

[frosty trellis]

That would just make Aureus melt prone....

[hollow shell]

That is not clear in the changelog at all

[hollow shell]

I don't know how good or bad it'll be for the fight
this is just the first I've heard of this

Yeah that doesn't mention anything about his defense stats

[grim tusk]

Oh right, did DR getting reduced got axed during the rework?

[drowsy plank]

pretty sure yes

i remember people wondering why

[grim tusk]

Even if it didnt, it will be a sitting duck, more prone to attacks and AoE

And post-Plant/Cclone has some AoE demons

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-trollage-sus-amogus-gif-25939665

[drowsy plank]

i personally never had much of an issue with the guy but the sheer number of complaints we get makes me feel like something needs to be done with this dude

[grim tusk]

I agree

And i tried with all classes

Ranger and Mage suffer vs Aureus due to no flasks

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's the thing

With DR reduction he becomes a complete cakewalk

Without DR reduction it's hell

50% Dr post plant is obsurd

And 40 defense on top of that

[grim tusk]

And any weapon that is good against Aureus with no DR reduction fucking melts Levi (the sole and balanced exception being Totality Breakers due to those being DoT which doesnt give a damn about DR and does well; it being broken was more of a product of vulnerability when slimed; which we dealt with)

[frosty trellis]

Proximity Mine Launcher moment

[drowsy plank]

frankly i see nothing wrong with Prox Mine doing a lot of damage, i think you just need to cap the number of active mines so you can't shred big bosses

[grim tusk]

Terra ray when it shreds Aureus and then proceeds to obliterate Anahita and Leviathan

[drowsy plank]

lmao

it used to have cursed flames dr reduction too right

[grim tusk]

It did not inflict that

[drowsy plank]

ah

can never remember what terra weps have cursed flames lol

it's more than i expected at least

[grim tusk]

(But did have it with everglade spray support)

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[grim tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583454384290267147/1036418996033036390/unknown.png and its 2:40 on Aureus (i did not use Brimflame frenzy)

If I used Brimflame frenzy Levi would have just gotten fucking deleted

[cobalt pewter]

time to axe the boss

[frosty trellis]

No Crystal Ball
No Spectre Armor
No Tattered Fairy Wings

Smpgh

Also Mage goes two offensive + Flower and then Wings/Boots/Asgards

It's the setup both Stip and I agreed upon so yeah

[fossil finch]

WHyt are YOU SUING

MAGNET FLOWER
WHY

[frosty trellis]

Because Magnet Flower is the best flower atm outside of multiplayer....?

[fossil finch]

how is it
Oh alright calamity makes it stupid

can we revert that

it has no right to do that i think

[frosty trellis]

Magnet Flower: 12% mana cost down + Auto Mana + Mana star range
Arcane Flower: 12% mana cost down + Auto Mana + less aggro

[fossil finch]

wasnt it 20

also automana is cringe

[frosty trellis]

Mana Cloak: 8% mana cost down + auto mana + star cloak effect

[frosty trellis]

Yes and it's been nerfed down to 12

[fossil finch]

why wasnt cloak buffed

[frosty trellis]

Idfk

[fossil finch]

it's just making it worse

[frosty trellis]

Cloak is just bad in general

[fossil finch]

no it is not

its bad because calamity buffed the others without buffing it

[frosty trellis]

I mean it's just an on hit effect that does meager damage and Star Veil exists which is just infinitely better

Bc it doubles your iframes and iframe stuff is hilariously overpowered rn

[fossil finch]

Sure but magnet wouldn't have an use above it at all if calamity hadn't buffed it because you're already wearing cuffs or emblem

It's bad because calamity made it bad arbitrarily by arbitrarily deciding to not buff it

[frosty trellis]

Mana flower upgrades all just need buffs in general to make them less generic and boring

[slow lodge]

Deific amulet:

and then the rampart of deities

good accessory

[solid tree]

It reduce aggro.

[drowsy plank]

they're good because they're all about mitigating the effects of being hit, like frozen turtle shell or cross necklace

[slow lodge]

yeah

but the deific amulet is probably the best

of all of them

[drowsy plank]

im saying that bc deific combines a ton of them

[slow lodge]

yeah

goes hard yk

though im curious

do you think its wise to use it when you're a rogue player whos good at dodging meanwhile your friend is a melee whos slightly bad at it (aka what im going through with the rampart which uses the turtle shell shield)

[drowsy plank]

the melee guy should just stack more defense lmao

damn this is like the third time someone's asked for Daedalus to jump

maybe they just should at this point lol

[errant bobcat]

Glorious end + summon weapons be like

[frosty trellis]

That was patched iirc

[errant bobcat]

Noooooooo

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[errant bobcat]

Now I can’t cheese literally any boss

[blazing kettle]

what are daedleus golems

[drowsy plank]

you just aint trying hard enough then

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Daedalus_Golem_Staff

[blazing kettle]

basically a pirate staff alternative?

[drowsy plank]

not really?

[blazing kettle]

ah

[drowsy plank]

pirate staff is preMechs, daedalus is postMechs

[acoustic forge]

they should el pepe into calamity mod aprils fools update

[errant bobcat]

Idk why they keep making grounded minions that arent ranged, they never work

[blazing kettle]

i saw the pink rarity abd assumed it was early hardmode

[drowsy plank]

nah it's cryonic

[blazing kettle]

who?

[errant bobcat]

Pirate staff is also really annoying to get

[drowsy plank]

and it shoots pellets, not attack

[errant bobcat]

Pepe

So arguably better

[grim tusk]

La Ruga will come for you

[blazing kettle]

who is el pepe though

or la ruga

[drowsy plank]

next update makes it better, but i still wish my "make the pirate sell them post plant" or "make flying dutchman have guarnteed drops" suggs passed

cause it's still pretty random

[grim tusk]

you will know when you're being hunted by it

[errant bobcat]

Me when I’m trying to get coin gun for sevens striker: kills 25 Flying Dutchman: not one of them drops even a single rare drop or a trophy so I can craft one

[blazing kettle]

why post-plant? its irrelevant by the time you beat her

[drowsy plank]

yeah basically lmao, it was mostly coin gun i wanted to be sold, and pirate staff would Just Be There

[errant bobcat]

Also Pepe is Pepe

[drowsy plank]

the point is is that weapons typically aren't sold by NPCs until they're mostly irrelevant

[errant bobcat]

Coin gun has highest vanilla DPS

[blazing kettle]

aye fair

[grim tusk]

@ashen warren expand on your reasoning (E. they cant reach the boss)

[drowsy plank]

considering zenith is post-Yharon without any changes im like. 100% sure you're wrong

[glass arch]

if coin gun were real it would be the equivalent of hitting someone with a bus every shot

[errant bobcat]

Terrasteel video explains it

[glass arch]

(this is with platinum coins)

[errant bobcat]

I could’ve sworn…

Also im still waiting for vanilla to stop favoring melee

[blazing kettle]

melee bad tho...

[glass arch]

vanilla loves melee

[errant bobcat]

Why do any other classes not get zenith weapons or cool 1.4.4 reworks, or a really annoying pillar fight

[glass arch]

around double the weapons of ranged which has the second most weapons

[glass arch]

nebula pillar:

[errant bobcat]

Ranger is cool tho, melee is all the same sword with slightly different visuals

[drowsy plank]

cal does not change coin gun in any capacity so that is definitely wrong esp considering money is free and cal already has an issue with money being too easy to get so coin gun would be easy to use, and yet it's like. mid. at least we still had seven's striker for a while lmfao

ranger is just fancy minisharks and bows

[errant bobcat]

Did they nerf sevens striker?

[drowsy plank]

i mean at least a bit yeah

it was kind of fucking dumb when it was first implemented lmfao

[errant bobcat]

Noooo what have they done to my cheesy boi

[frosty trellis]

The Sevens Striker is still amazing

[errant bobcat]

Speaking from experience, yes but it was funni

Can kill storm weaver in a couple shots after armor is gone

With plat coins at least

It’s amazing against signus and void as well

Signus rematches at least

Elemental blaster and dissemator was what I used against signus first go, because the homing was so good for the mines

[slow lodge]

you're not wrong

all the best ranger weapons are just minishark/SDMG shit

[drowsy plank]

i mean no

all the best are not just minisharks

but a LOT of them ARE minisharks

[slow lodge]

yeah

[serene tendon]

Shout out to rocket launchers and sniper rifles, man do I love Tyranny's End

[drowsy plank]

most of the good ranger weapons are actually the weird obscure shit because cal keeps buffing them but no one uses them so nobody ever realizes

[slow lodge]

they made the implementation of sniper rifle and flamethrower mechanics worthwhile

[drowsy plank]

while this is true for basically all of preHM, once you get into hardmode, it starts to improve and then you get to post-Plant and just

there is not a single minishark variant on here

[slow lodge]

Good

[drowsy plank]

eblizz is still boring but i love the fact that all of the obscure as fuck weapons are the best ones right now

sides like
eld melter that thing is dumb in vanilla rn too but that's because 1.4.4 reworks it lol

[cobalt pewter]

yeah flamethrowers in vanilla are cool and good thanks to 1.4.4

[slow lodge]

Good

[swift wharf]

I thought stake launcher was mid wtf

[blazing kettle]

oh yeah wouldnt elf bust become absolutely busted with 1.4.4 buffs and calamities buffs?

[swift wharf]

nah they'll prolly nerf the cal buffs

[serene tendon]

Nah it's really good

[frosty trellis]

It's minishark until HM
Then it's Stormbow + Seas Searing + APA until post plant
Then it's Elf Melter until post dues
Then it's Astral Bow for ML
Clockwork bow and celebration mk.ii until post provi
Sevens Striker until post polter
Sulfuric Acid Cannon for OD
Halley's Inferno for DoG
Alluvion with Luminite Arrows/Phangasm with Vanquisher Arrows for Yharon
The Anomoly's Nanogun for Exos
Photovis for SCal
Contagion for Endgame

[serene tendon]

in vanilla too

[blazing kettle]

what about dragoon drizzlefish for pre-hm?

[frosty trellis]

Minishark + Armor pen is viable for WoF

[blazing kettle]

unless they nerfed that to the ground

[frosty trellis]

But yeah Drizzlefish as well

Drizzlefish will be nerfed next update so no debuff shenanigans

[blazing kettle]

damn that sucks

[slow lodge]

So are the SDFMG and voiddragon not used often

Cause i was thinking about those

[blazing kettle]

i'd say voiddragon is useful for AEW

[frosty trellis]

SDFMG is great but not the best
Voiddragon is ass

All shadow spec ranger weapons not named Contagion are ass

[slow lodge]

Hm

[slow lodge]

What about soma prime

[frosty trellis]

Soma is like alr but nothing crazy

[blazing kettle]

soma prime is extra bad iirc

oh

[frosty trellis]

It's more just, decentish for AEW, Shit in BR

[slow lodge]

Alright

[blazing kettle]

when are they going to get around to refining and balancing endgame?

[drowsy plank]

soma prime got shred so it stopped being bad

uh

never

if you mean post bosses and into boss rush

[frosty trellis]

It's not never

Just not a concern

That can happen in like 8 years

[drowsy plank]

i know but basically never until like. literally everything else for the mod is done

[frosty trellis]

There is an official boss rush testing time of about 15-25 minutes

[blazing kettle]

aye fair, i just wish there was something about as viable as contagion

[frosty trellis]

Yeah well that isn't the case unfortunately

[slow lodge]

Probably yharim update

[frosty trellis]

Long after

[slow lodge]

So a while

[frosty trellis]

Like 7-8 years

[cobalt pewter]

as if cal lasts that long

[blazing kettle]

i was referring to shadowspec and boss rush and stuff, since thats the current end of the game

[cobalt pewter]

[drowsy plank]

we've always got photoviscerator

[frosty trellis]

Photovis is hilarious

[blazing kettle]

how so?

[frosty trellis]

Broken for SCal

Viable for Jared

[grim tusk]

Debuff weapon moment

have people tried it with irradiated though?

Wait its not sickness

[drowsy plank]

shred is not listed as a sickness debuff on the wiki so if this is the-

yeah

lmfao

[errant bobcat]

What about conference call + upgrades + sevens striker

Dissemator is cracked

And barracuda gun is amazing

[grim tusk]

The post-DoG shotgun is ass

[errant bobcat]

Yes, but it’s previous tiers are amazing for their tiers

Paired with terra bullets or bloodflare bullets they shred

[frosty trellis]

???

[grim tusk]

Ik you play quite aggressively MPG so you could trigger point blank often

[frosty trellis]

Fair

I can do another test to or two and see how that goes

[grim tusk]

Theres also acc picks

[frosty trellis]

acc?

[grim tusk]

Accessory

[errant bobcat]

There should be accessories to buff point blank tho, or the ammo box

[grim tusk]

It was tried

[errant bobcat]

Unbalanced?

[frosty trellis]

Let me go login to tMod and see how it goes these days

It might be different bc I used to use Amalgam in the offensive slot over Afflction

But affliction is a stat stick so that is better there

For testing

And that was over 100 Yharon fights ago. I've gotten better at him since then

[small timber]

I could say the same about obliterator where you have to play aggressive (because of limited range) and have optimized gear and it is still a 6 minutes (obliterator buff when)

[frosty trellis]

Was playing less aggressive but that's mainly bc recon scope r.click is absolutely necessary to make this thing good, so you can keep the extra stars on Yharon at all times

Oh frick

Theres the kt

And gear used

[grim tusk]

Perhaps I had skill issue, but still seems like it may need a small buff so point blank is noticeable

[frosty trellis]

I can try without recon scope and play aggressive

[small timber]

point blank is just randomly going rampant no?

[frosty trellis]

Or rather, without recon scope right click

[small timber]

because the increase projectile velocity from deadshoot broach just make weapon do point blank from range further than intended

[cobalt pewter]

there really needs to be

a proper indicator for point blank hits

[ashen warren]

slight screen shake beloved

[frosty trellis]

Dragons Breath creating earthquakes bc it's point blank with GSS is 2484 blocks :)

[ashen warren]

it doesnt stack like that, but that would be funny lol

[frosty trellis]

It still has a ridiculous point blank range

That basically makes everything point blank bc of it's stupidly high velocity

[ashen warren]

Oh I see

I assumed point blank was done by distance

[cobalt pewter]

it isn't apparently

it's based on time

the first 12 frames after the shot is fired

so velocity indirectly buffs it

[ashen warren]

I wonder why it's like that

[crude geode]

clearly to make velocity buffs stronger

[cobalt pewter]

(ranged) velocity now directly plays part into ranged balance with current implementation of pb at least

[small timber]

iirc coding issue which makes it very hard to be distance based

so they "simulate" distance by using velocity, but since every ranger weapon have insane velocity end game all of them just have point plank all the time

[humble lion]

I’m upto the point where my boss journal says I should fight the leviathan next any suggestions on what type of gear I should have?

[frosty trellis]

#help-advice-read-pins

[cobalt pewter]

Rover Drive will be taking its foot off Absorber's recipe next update

so while I would love the effect to exist somewhat later in progression

the sugg could be generalized to make Rover Drive have more presence later in the game

(which is mostly relevant in the title)

also the bit about changing its value is not needed, they'll probably rebalance the effect if it'll be inherited later ingame

@ashen warren

[ashen warren]

Thanks for the feedback. So how could i make a suggestion to make rover drive effect be present in some hardmode/post hardmode items?

Would really appreciate it if there was a option to have the effect in some items later in progressions, since now after the rebalance the effect is pretty awesome.

[cobalt pewter]

you can omit references to Absorber and Sponge in the title

and make a stronger reason that isn't just "it's cool"

also you can equip Rover Drive in vanity slot atm if you want the bubble visuals

[ashen warren]

Well the effect itself is good, but i don't think it is good enough to be used in later stages of the game where most accesouries have multiple effects

[cobalt pewter]

you can ramble off on how the Rover Drive mechanics are fun and unique enough to have more presence later in the game.

.....ignoring the fact that any given combination defensive acc in post-DoG is already batshit insane

[crude geode]

Maybe one day the general cal fan will recognize defensive accessories are actually good

[frail mantle]

a man can dream

[frosty trellis]

I love how you're just going to ignore the fact that it's one of the best defensive accessories for summoners until like Bloodflare Core :)

Nohit for 10 seconds, 50 hp + 10 defense

"Balanced"

This thing is hilariously overpowered

[ashen warren]

Well are you still using it post wall of flesh?

#suggestions-posting message

Edited it.

[frosty trellis]

Honestly? Yeah because it's batshit insane for summoners
For other classes not so much but it can be legit crazy (Considering there is only one thing that gives more max hp , even if it's only temporary, until fucking godslayer and silva armor)

[ashen warren]

So you are saying that it is fine as it is?

[cobalt pewter]

summoners are non existent

and so will you

(summoners should honestly unexist)

[ashen warren]

I now just confused what to think :/

I like summoners :/

I like all classes

[cobalt pewter]

Rover Drive now has a 3-minute cooldown while having any minions or sentries

:cluel

[ashen warren]

That is just rude XD

[cobalt pewter]

but aside from one (garbage) class, Rover Drive as it is just needs its defense bonus removed and cooldown slightly tanked

maybe bump the extra shield HP a bit to account for the bonus defense removal

but otherwise ye

[ashen warren]

All i want is a cool effect to exist in later stages being on par with items on the current stage. I don't care about the values of HP/Shield in detail. Just make it viable later since it kinda feels bad to use a item from the beginning of the game in endgame without any upgrades that is pretty unique and even useful at the start.

I just ❤️ Rover Drive effects concept.

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the effect is fun and unique enough

[cobalt pewter]

this man right here just breathes stats

get back to where ya belong

over here -> #1042197406776827914

[swift wharf]

segregation

[frosty trellis]

Lmaoooooooooo

Just going to send me back to my cell already huh?

[cobalt pewter]

yes

[cobalt pewter]

@winter anchor Slime Gun and Sparkle Slime Balloons exist for the first 2

[swift wharf]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Totality_Breakers

[ashen warren]

does the weird imbalance of late game class accessories bother anyone else

the mainline post-DoG class accessories all follow similar crafting patterns but the mage/ranger items get fucked

elemental quiver only provides raw stat boosts, and ethereal talisman is fairly barebones for one of very few late game mage accessories

elemental gauntlet adds a lot of playability to true melee weapons, and also incorporates debuffs

[glass arch]

to be fair

[ashen warren]

nucleogenesis is one of the most interesting items in calamity, giving debuffs, immunities, and minion projectiles

[glass arch]

ranged weapons do a lot of silly stuff with ammo and mage weapons already have a lot of debuffs

[ashen warren]

they just feel disappointing as final-tiered upgrades

[glass arch]

not everything needs a cool new effect

[ashen warren]

they’re just lame

[glass arch]

you need the ideas for the effects then you need to code and balance those effects

and as i said before the weapons already have cool effects

[ashen warren]

that’s fair, though it’s still an odd choice to have “dud”accessories to make up for it

ranged has less of a problem because of the quiver of nihility and dawn spirit origin being very interesting

[glass arch]

aye, but everything having a unique effect isnt necessary

[ashen warren]

that’s true, just feels weird when you’re left with 3 main accessories for the entirety of your play through

i’ll throw a spreadsheet together to help explain ig

[swift wharf]

Everything doesnt need to have an unique effect yes

But they're late game class accessories

You'd expect them to do something cool

[serene tendon]

true

[fossil finch]

this is so false

"one of the most interesting items in calamity"

debuffs that do nothing
Immunities because idk the same reason dragon scales and funny folly drop have them now
Minion projectiles that also do nothing

[cobalt pewter]

nucleogenesis

more like

another stst stick

[fossil finch]

yeh its literally just a stat stick like the rest

quiver and talisman seem barebones because gauntlet and nucleogenesis are bloated in useless effects that do not mean anything at all

then theres rogue who has the gimmick so nanotech and mirror automatically become slightly interesting

because they support said gimmick obligatorily

[ashen warren]

so what accessories do you think are well-designed

[cobalt pewter]

yo m

there's no truly interesting post-DoG combination accs because of how combination is handled in Terraria: just stack effects and bam

but if accessories in general

hmm

[ashen warren]

personally outside of the combo accessories i think affliction has a really nice feel in multiplayer and void of extinction feels great to play with for any character

[cobalt pewter]

affliction is literally a stat stick with a support for mp

void of extinction is just

......

[fossil finch]

accs that are well designed are like

Wulfrum drive

[cobalt pewter]

Rover Drive

it was literally mentioned a few scrolls ago

[fossil finch]

failure emoji

[cobalt pewter]

[fossil finch]

and uh

wulfrum hook thing

[cobalt pewter]

Acrobatic thing

[fossil finch]

Is there any other interesting acc out there

Idk angelic alliance maybe

[ashen warren]

so

[cobalt pewter]

I would say DSO and Quiver of Nihility

[fossil finch]

anyways well designed accs are, in theory, not just stat sticks

[ashen warren]

those are pretty great

[ashen warren]

you can have stat sticks, they’re fine, they just become a problem when there are too few distinct ones

[fossil finch]

Yeah exactly your 2 examples up here are stat sticks

And ice flare

And the 5 class endgame accs

And half of calamity's accs

[ashen warren]

so the interesting thing is that void of extinction has roughly the same base damage/defense boosts of the celestial shell

celestial shell is a very effective and dynamic item despite being 90% just stat boosts

and void of extinction is thematically very interesting and distinct from anything else up to that point in progression

[frail mantle]

@serene tendon nah

the people who want their stat bloat can have it

[serene tendon]

That's what Calamity boss health multipliers are for

in the config

[fossil finch]

No stat stick is dynamic its a stat stick what do you mean

[small timber]

they dont want to do it, as simple as that

[fossil finch]

Also being thematically different from stuff doesn't do anything if you are boring and useless

[small timber]

master mode is a poor excuse of a difficulty mode where the only thing they do is amplify enemy stat

[frail mantle]

iirc there was an idea floating around of making hovering over master display a message recommending against it in the world generation menu, similar to how (i believe) hovering over the small world option shows a message recommending against it

[small timber]

instead of making rev associated with that they can just make revengeance its own thing instead so why not

[cobalt pewter]

this but master mode

[serene tendon]

Perhaps there could also be a message recommending against normal mode

[frail mantle]

nah

[serene tendon]

Cause Calamity isn't built for that either

[ashen warren]

my point is that using “stat stick” as an insult for the game design is just bizarre

[cobalt pewter]

because for the most part

stat sticks are boring

[frail mantle]

there's a difference between calamity being balanced around higher mods and lower modes therefore being easier, and calamity being balanced around expert rev and not adjusting itself around master, therefore making master not clash well with rev's balancing

[ashen warren]

i’m suggesting changes to an item you don’t like the design of, really i haven’t said anything about how the items should change

[frail mantle]

• it'd probably just come off as a weird "lol why are you trying to select the EASY mode??? haha noob go detonate singapore or something lmao"

[cobalt pewter]

accessories are great when they change how you approach something (Raider's Talisman would've been a stat stick if it wasn't for the fact that its stat bonus is tied to a different gameplay loop to known ones before)

[small timber]

I think the only thing that normal mode might need to warn about is just rev and death is not activable on normal (on world creation)

[ashen warren]

if you don’t like the item, why don’t you want to see it change in some way? and how do you expect high-quality content if you don’t explain what you think that is?

[small timber]

and definitely not "haha noobs you are too bad for this game"

[serene tendon]

If boss AI changes were all higher difficulties added, it would be fine. But you can only use Rage and Adrenaline, 2 big parts of the mod on Rev+

[frail mantle]

yeah

[small timber]

then just give adrenaline and rev to normal and expert

problem solve

[fathom aspen]

Iirc there already is a warning informing that calamity does not support small Worlds during world creation, maybe adding another one about normal/master mode?

[small timber]

or can also make it an activable that you can turn off

[frail mantle]

you already get adren and rage in normal with draedon's heart and shattered community

[serene tendon]

There really just needs to be a way to tell players about Rev and maybe death in world creation

[small timber]

there can be a simple message, like "Revengeance and Death Mode Can Be Activated" and thats it

[frail mantle]

ye

[small timber]

there is no need to mix rev with master or something just because, 'it is missable'?

[frail mantle]

something like

[fathom aspen]

similar to this one

[frail mantle]

Normal Mode: Revengeance and Death Mode unavailable
Expert Mode: Revengeance and Death Mode available
Master Mode: Not Recommended, Revengeance and Death Mode available

[serene tendon]

Sounds fine, although Rage and Adrenaline should probably be mentioned

[frail mantle]

rage and adrenaline are already explained in the difficulty ui iirc

[fossil finch]

I never said anything about you suggesting changes, i just said you're wrong about the other accs being more interesting than talisman or quiver because they're not: they are just bloated with useless stats and effects
Stat sticks are bad game design because this isn't an rpg, they do not add anything to gameplay at all: it's that simple.
Also I don't have to explain what quality content is just because i expect it as much as no one is entitled to the devs doing what one wants that's ridiculous

[ashen warren]

neko, why do you think this channel exists?

[serene tendon]

Letting people know that 2 major game features are exclusive to Rev+ in world creation is kind of important. People won't just guess that.

[fossil finch]

I don't need to explain what something good is every time i complain something is bad, specially now that i already say why something is bad: stat stick are boring, they add nothing to gameplay, they are not good game design
You also ignore i already gave examples of good accs anyway

I know full well why this channel exists I've been here for years
I repeat myself: i never said anything about you requesting changes, i just said you're wrong about talisman and quiver being less than their counterparts for other classes

They're all equally bad and lame

[ashen warren]

you think all stat sticks are bad?

[fossil finch]

Yes i do because they are all equally boring
Accs should do more than just give you stats
The communities i pardon because community being a stat stick is hilarious

[ashen warren]

so if you had a choice in the matter vanilla’s class emblems would just disappear

[frail mantle]

the world creation menu doesn't tell you jack shit about anything journey mode does

[swift wharf]

community is funny because it's the ultimate stat stick

anyways emblems

[frail mantle]

i'd argue that's also a pretty important feature of the mode

[fossil finch]

no i think id make vanilla class emblems do something interesting probably

[swift wharf]

this is truly a

[fossil finch]

lmfao send the original image i want to save it

[frail mantle]

i'd say if people are curious as to what the difference is with the modded difficulties they'll generate a world to check out themselves

[fossil finch]

Every concept has its 2024

[frail mantle]

and hopefully that'll make them notice the glowing difficulty UI

[frail mantle]

which will then tell them what rev and death do

[swift wharf]

bring back rev item

so ppl actually fucking read it

😭

except that then people will go "where is the ui"

[small timber]

:tired: when did this become an actual emote

oh ok at least not in this channel

[ashen warren]

neko, i hate to say it, but terraria is a multi-million dollar indie startup game universally adored for its game design and you’re seemingly an edgy teenager with no game design classes or successful projects under your belt

[fossil finch]

are you aware this is just

[frail mantle]

terraria is a good game with a HELL of a lot of stupid shit

[fossil finch]

This is just a power fallacy which is specially funnier when you consider red made terraria as someone with also 0 experience

[ashen warren]

so where is your terraria, neko?

[fossil finch]

only thing under his belt back then i know of is super mario bros x

And that features no game design

[small timber]

the reason stat stick exist is so that those actually interesting accessories can become more interesting

stat stick can exist, it is just how it is

[fossil finch]

It doesn't matter, i do not fucking need to make a game to criticise one

[small timber]

whether or not you should add more is a different question

[swift wharf]

multi million dollar indie what the fuck

guh????

[fossil finch]

I don't need to build a house to know when one it's poorly built, specially if i live in it

A game I've played for thousands of hours that i begged to be gifted is something i can perfectly criticise

[swift wharf]

and idk stat sticks are kinda lame jsut have something that does stuff + some stats lo

[fossil finch]

i don't need to make it again to do so