suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Joyful Heart is a better example yeah, that was a fine change

[cobalt pewter]

if your name is Xeroc you start the game with Rock

[hollow shell]

Okay this looks fine now
Thank you for changing

[distant gyro]

isn't one of the patreon item rules that name interactions are forbidden

the whole thing if you're curious

well

[neat linden]

imagine calamity if devs could get rid of normality relocator

[distant gyro]

Ozz brought up Joyful Heart

[neat linden]

[distant gyro]

which its only name effect is to spawn on player name

[neat linden]

start items will go in the bag most likely though

so that doesn't change much

[distant gyro]

it had to spawn on starter bag to prevent bugs

so this really singles out to dev vanities

[small timber]

you probably have to specify "no donator" content now

considering the rules above

basically instead of "dedicated content item" you probably have to make it "dedicated content item for developers"

[distant gyro]

it's not gamebreaking but it's rules

[small timber]

it is not ok now since it was discovered that donator/patreon item cannot have name related function

[distant gyro]

not exactly sure why either but you'll have to ask Ozz/Fab probably

[small timber]

probably to prevent exactly that tbh: where the 1000 different names spawn 1000 specific items in their inventory at the start of the game or something

[swift wharf]

what tthe FUCK is HBoOHM

WHO USES HBOOHM

this is fucked up

[distant gyro]

sure

although the title could be more straightforward

like "Allow dev vanity to spawn with their respective names"

alright

[serene tendon]

I don't think game-breaking is the reason, you can literally use Murasama Pre-Boss if you name your character Jetstream Sam because "haha funny MGRR referance"

[serene tendon]

Why wouldn't you?

[cobalt pewter]

isn't there some kinda limitations in tmod that won't let you add custom torches into favor function

[sweet escarp]

Only thing that was mentioned was generally terraria's code isn't flexible enough to include modded entries, but maybe that might change when tmod gets updated

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not deep in this matter so maybe a dev can clarify later

but aside from that I don't see issues with the sugg

theoretically there are a handful cal torches that could apply here

[sweet escarp]

funny thing is the abyss torch is the only torch added by the mod so far

[cobalt pewter]

...what

I am clueless

[cobalt pewter]

real

[sweet escarp]

real

[swift wharf]

it is indeed the only cal torch

[sweet escarp]

but that could change in the future

like i said it's such a tiny detail it won't affect the gameplay much at all but it's one of those nice things that could be added for consistency

and for future torches as well if we get them

and its a pretty harmless feature that won't affect balancing in any way and it can be useful for builders

[crude geode]

Not every boss summon gets a trophy

[fringe oar]

Why not?

[crude geode]

Because that would be a lot of work

[swift wharf]

servant of cthulhu trophy

[fringe oar]

I'm not saying that all boss servants should get a trophy. I just feel like if the brothers get a trophy, the Sepulcher should get one

[swift wharf]

the brothers are actually relevant

sepulcher is not

[versed cape]

Sepulcher trophy would be awesome

[fringe oar]

Sepulcher is in the first section of the fight though :/

[swift wharf]

so are the hearts

[versed cape]

How so? Sep2 is one of the most difficult and intense parts of the fight

[swift wharf]

I mean lore wise

[fringe oar]

You mean how the Infernum Mode reworked the Sepulcher?

[versed cape]

No, base calamity

[crude geode]

Disagree, Sepulcher 2 is just a DPS check

[versed cape]

In what way?

Its still really hard even if you onehit the hearts with murasama adrenaline

[crude geode]

All I remember about the second half of SCal’s fight is just it being hard bc of brimstone moons, not because of sepulcher lol

[crude geode]

Why

What makes sepulcher different from the soul seekers or even the brimstone hearts

[swift wharf]

sepulcuer barely does anything

[crude geode]

^

[swift wharf]

worm shaped red moon

such a dangerous phase that lasts 5 seconds

[versed cape]

Im fine with them getting trophies too

[swift wharf]

(very trophy worthy)

[crude geode]

[versed cape]

Those 5 seconds are intense

[swift wharf]

they aren't

they really are not

it's you going left to right killing the hearts

[versed cape]

I usually go right to left but it doesn’t make much difference

[versed cape]

Pretty hard

[swift wharf]

not trophy worthy

[versed cape]

Everything in scal is trophy worthy

[swift wharf]

why

[versed cape]

Because its scal

[swift wharf]

just for the sake of iy

ofc

[frosty trellis]

Sepulture is either:
Nuke with d.rage
Or
Suffer for 30 seconds bc non-true melee/photo/vv/celestus sucks on the hearts

[crude geode]

Isn’t that changing next update luckily

Since sepulcher won’t block pierce

[frosty trellis]

It's making it less bad

Still not fun for a few weapons

[crude geode]

You don’t have to use one weapon for the entirety of SCal

[frosty trellis]

Mainly Oracle, Tyranny's End, Aces High, Burning Sky, Phoenix Flame Barrage, off the top of my head

[swift wharf]

anyways if you really want a sepulcher trophy

ask in cal van

[crude geode]

unless you’re a tester nerd

[frosty trellis]

Oi

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

I d.rage heart skip a lot for SCal bc hearts are pain

And are just generally inconsistent even with piercing and a behaving sepulture

[crude geode]

Fair

Byeah sepulcher really doesn’t need a trophy

I’d rather see the brothers’ trophies removed than one dropping from sepulcher or any of the other summons in that fight

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[fringe oar]

Oh ok

[frosty trellis]

Brothers trophy makes sense bc you get past the bullshit part of the fight

Unless you just adren nuke or having something that annihilates the brothers it's very much bs with the new hellblast spreads

[fringe oar]

Quite weird but does the Dragonfolly have a trophy?

[frosty trellis]

It should

[fringe oar]

Also do any of the sentinels have trophies?

[crude geode]

Yes

To both

[fringe oar]

Profaned guardians?

Not individual ones per guardian

But just 1 trophy for defeating them all

[crude geode]

Just 1 for all

[fringe oar]

Haven’t seen it…

[swift wharf]

!wiki trophies

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Trophies

[swift wharf]

aew is the only ((former)) boss that does not have a trophy

[fringe oar]

Oh yeah

[swift wharf]

which is not a boss

[fringe oar]

What is not a boss?

[swift wharf]

aew

at least in the next version

[frosty trellis]

AEW is no longer a boss as of next update ye

[fringe oar]

Idk what aew is

[crude geode]

Adult Eidolon Wyrm

too many acronyms moment

[fringe oar]

OH YEAH

I thought it was getting reworked :/

[drowsy plank]

if sepulcher gets a trophy than obviously we need a polter clone trophy. and a ravager head trophy. and a golem head trophy. a desert annoyance trophy. cryogen shield trophy. skeletron hand trophy

like sepulcher is such a tiny part of the fight

cataclysm and catastrophy only get trophies because it's a holdover from the fact that calamitas used to just be the calclone fight, and that used to just be "what if twins but THREE eyes?!?!1?!1?!?"

and each of the twins dropped a trophy

[swift wharf]

you missed aquatic aberration, aureus spawn, brimling, corrupt slime spawn, cosmic guardian, cosmic lantern, cosmiv mine, crab shroom, crimson slime spawn, crimson slime spawn ((spiked)), crown jewel, phantom, polterghast hook, plague homing missile, plague mine, rock pillar, sulphurous sharkron and tooth ball ((old duke))

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[versed cape]

Honestly why not…

[drowsy plank]

that's a fucking horrible idea

some of these "enemies" are literally just projectiles

it would make zero sense

and vastly devalue the point of trophies

which are for actual bosses

[frail mantle]

i wouldn't say the Brothers even need trophies tbh

[drowsy plank]

they have 'em, so i wouldn't want them removed or anything, but yeah, they really do only exist because of carry over old stuff

if scal came out today, i feel like they probably wouldn't

[frail mantle]

yea probably not

[swift wharf]

unless the brothers did something more byea

[hollow shell]

I will say that Sepulcher feels more deserving of a trophy than any of those, or maybe even more than the bros themselves

Cuz of the fact that Sepulcher is a pretty significant event in the fight
Lots of effort into the visual and audio effects,
unique gameplay mechanics with the required killing of separate entities, and his proj-deletion,
Fight opens with it immediately after the intro BH, and it's brought back as the final event in the fight before you're able to take out the last bit of her health

[hollow shell]

:( I do disagree with this suggestion

[lavish cloak]

WHAT

i thought you were an oomfie..

[hollow shell]

This would make it so there are even more bosses that are summoned with just an item, instead of a more unique spawn method
due to placing their item before their fights

And I don't like the reasoning of "Yeah the ointments exist... but that requires crafting an item and is therefore bad and a band-aid fix."

The annoyance that I can see from the ointments is that you must have them be taking up a slot in your inventory in order to work
And that is something potentially worth suggesting about, though I'd have to think more on what the best alternative would be

[lavish cloak]

i mean if thats the case i think maybe turning cysts into a something like planteras bulb where you have to mine it instead of kill it

[hollow shell]

That is a possibility yeah

[lavish cloak]

im just suggesting whats the easiest option to a problem since yknow

id be cooler if more bosses could be summoned through means other than just using an item but that is something i dont think of calamity for

[eternal escarp]

easiest fix isnt always the best fix tbf

hvm and perfd are one of the few current unique spawn methods and just throwing it out feels like a ech idea imo

basically repeating what rover said

[lavish cloak]

i think just making them not spawn after killing them would be nice, or at least stop spawning when the world enters hardmode

[novel belfry]

Maybe just give the Teratoma/Bloody Worm Food a similar effect to the voodoo demon voodoo doll, disabling the spawning of the hive enemies

[hollow shell]

The ointments exist.

[novel belfry]

oyeah

[eternal escarp]

yeah the solution for that does exist

[sleek turret]

you could make the evil hardmode biome enemies drop the blood sample/the counterpart material

[lavish cloak]

could it be just instead of being on if its in your inventory, its like a useable where you can toggle the effect on and then put it away?

[sleek turret]

yeah that'd be much better

[eternal escarp]

when 1.4.4 comes around i think itd be easier to do that

since 1.4.4 has items that do that

[lavish cloak]

thatd be worse since rotten matter/blood samples are only useful for weapons that would be weaker by the time enemies start dropping the materials for them

[novel belfry]

especially since 1.4.4 does do that, and the next cal update might be 1.4.4.

[sleek turret]

true

and i think there isn't a really important weapon line using the evil boss 2 materials?

[eternal escarp]

carnage and nights ray

thats it pmuch iirc

[sleek turret]

oh yeah

i was going to mention the shivs but that's like

[eternal escarp]

lol

[sleek turret]

Dead

[drowsy plank]

i see we're on another bad streak

also when are we getting the combined spawnblocker item

i remember that being something that was proposed and never ended up happening

[hollow shell]

I don't recall any sugg about that

Could be a fine item

Either just blocking them all at once if you don't mind favoriting and unfavoriting (if you only wanna block some but not others)
Or having an Arcanum-esque UI

[drowsy plank]

it wasn't suggested, a dev just mentioned it back when the update was still coming out

i will simply suggest it later since it seems like it was forgotten about

[livid snow]

It should be nice a rework of some elemental weapons and the nuclear Fury..

In fight or appearance

[drowsy plank]

what

[versed cape]

@small timber yharon can’t teleport in you

Its not possible

[small timber]

the "teleport on top of you" was mainly referring to the 3 slime bosses, "predictive teleport" is referring to all bosses, but since yharon's teleport is not predictive which is why I listed it as "to a lesser extent"

because it will be very lengthy if I explain everything about yharon's teleport in the suggestion

[versed cape]

To absolutely no extent*
Edit the suggestion to omit referring to yharon entirely

[crude geode]

Does Yharon still not have a Telegraph for his teleport

[ruby plover]

indeed he does not

[minor spindle]

the only issue that I have had with yharons teleport is when he teleports above you to spin around and do the fire attack

like sometimes I get hit but it's never really been a problem

[versed cape]

Its so easy to avoid

Havent been hit by it for hundreds of attempts

[versed cape]

The telegraph is watching the attack pattern

Also the moving really fast instead of teleporting suggestion is terrible

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512925739486674954/1050892147202723961/2022-12-09_23-47-18_Trim.mp4

This is what you want every Yharon fight to be like

Do you really hate calamity players that much?

[small timber]

have you not considered for once that they can just disable contact damage during the movement?
they did it for the yharon bullet hell spin prior to it just becoming a fire ball, it is not exactly an impossible technology

the example you posted should be listed as a separate problem that should not happen, because obviously why should it happen when they intentionally disabled contact damage on EoL for the rest of the fight other than specifically the charge

[versed cape]

I guess thats a viable solution

If only calamity devs could properly implement it

[hollow shell]

(calm down)

Also wew two teleport suggestions in a row

[small timber]

(originally I wanted to post both as one, but ya yharon one dont really fit so I decided to separate into 2)

[hollow shell]

Makes sense

[high folio]

do you have a youtube channel

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or Remove Armored Digger]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@errant cloud - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a screen-shaking effect when the astral meteor lands after killing the Wall of Flesh]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@keen leaf - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it so that the "Be sure to check out the Official Calamity Mod Wiki at calamitymod.wiki.gg" message appears in multiplayer too]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sweet zenith - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the cooldown icons movable]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[cobalt pewter]

real

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astrum Aureus Slowly Damages Itself Throughout The Fight (in all modes) To Counter Its Ridiculous Defenses]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[ornate kestrel]

Damn, a lot of these have a chance

[drowsy plank]

lol aureus get a single change impossible challenge

[cobalt pewter]

it'll be the heat death of the universe before oreos got a positive change

[swift wharf]

just make aureus less tanky silly

[small timber]

basically yeah

the suggestion was made with the assumption that aureus Dr cant be reduced

[fossil finch]

combiner blocker item zzz

just make them fuckin' ui elements

terraria 1.4 didn't add the ruler, blockswap and torchgod toggles just for calamity to keep being lame and use inventory favoritables

[drowsy plank]

im just going off of what currently exists

if they want to overhaul the system entirely, that's fine

but this is quick and easy, and i see no reason not too

[distant gyro]

blockers do not seem intuitive as a UI

terraria 1.4 also added encumbering stone which is a lock and block item

and not to mention all those god damn guides

[half sage]

and the guides to- yea

[distant gyro]

when item bloat (relatively harmless) turns into UI bloat (screen clutter)

[fossil finch]

This is why we invented the magic of ui that you can hide

[small timber]

No one will search in ui for something like this, or a config at that, because it is sinply a place where the player do not expect a spawn blocker item to be at

So unironically I feel having them as an item is much more intuitive, as the player can actually find them

[fossil finch]

do you forget how torch god works

It gives you a consumable item that gives said ui and toggle

Do that with the spawn blockers and that is literally it

[drowsy plank]

real

[drowsy plank]

???

[half sage]

the bestiary entry just refers to how each segment can shoot lasers, but in doing so the segment opens and becomes vulnerable, which is how the fight already is

[swift wharf]

uh

um

if the problem is the bestiary line

why not just

change the bestiary line

[drowsy plank]

impossible

please rework the entire fight

[slow lodge]

eh true

ill delete it then

[vestal bronze]

to be fair thantanos has the least hp out of the exo mechs and the most potential hitboxes ig

[slow lodge]

true

[unreal saffron]

got an idea: instead of respriting the relics, change the description into "A glimpse at what would be"

[fossil finch]

.... no?

[unreal saffron]

ok

[drowsy plank]

dont the relics already do that

[amber moss]

Imo there should be a collapsible menu like the difficulty menu for spawn blockers that would show up on the menu when you used the item

[vestal bronze]

”a glimpse into what would have been”

[fossil finch]

they say "will", they are asking to change it to above, which is stupid

[drowsy plank]

lol

[serene tendon]

Speaking of item bloat, is there some kind of limit to the amount of items a mod can add, and that's why you devs are so adamant about cutting down on it, or is it just the desire to refine the mod?

[worldly basalt]

having way too many items makes things confusing

[serene tendon]

I figured that was at least part of it, and I can testify it is in fact the case, I was just wondering if there was a bigger overarching reason.

[inner anvil]

There is not limit.

[frosty trellis]

It's literally just kill the things that aren't necessary or cool to make room for stuff that is cool to make a players experience overall more fun with more actually fun and good weapons and less bad and boring to use weapons

[inner anvil]

We delete them because they're non needed and a waste of time.

Lack of identity, filler item.

[half sage]

but my item that is functionally identical to a vanilla weapon obtained at the same tier of progression

[frosty trellis]

Flarefrost Blade is a homing melee weapon that doesn't have another counterpart until the next tier in vanilla or calamity
It gets to stay plz I want flarefrost to live

[crude geode]

Homing =/= good functionality/originality

[frosty trellis]

I just love my flarefrost blade ;-;

[ruby plover]

you probably just like it cos its broken as shit

[drowsy plank]

yes

me when the projectile homes

[frosty trellis]

I have attachment to it because it was one of the original weapons I used and reformed solidly (and was great for plant in my Master-Death melee run)

Also I was the one that found it being overtuned

[ruby plover]

I have an attachment to OSG

[small timber]

:desolage:

[keen zodiac]

can't you just make spawn blockers work in piggy bank

having them all enabled or disabled at the same time seems kinda dumb

[tardy geyser]

1.4.4 makes stuff favorite-able in void vault so that might be possible?

[buoyant lintel]

i got a great suggestion

remove astrum auresueserueusrseurseureusrusruseruuaurusa

[frail mantle]

Nah

[blazing kettle]

just get cstalyst, it adds back astralgeldon, the boss that aereus removed!

[hollow shell]

there are multiple inaccuracies with that statement but yeah Catalyst good mod anyway

[blazing kettle]

sarcasm is hard to display in text

[drowsy plank]

what

god why have all the suggs been so bad recently

@errant bobcat caustic croaker staff exists

furthermore summoner has like, 5 weapons added by calamity

oh and rusty beacon prototype

that exists too and is literally a sulph scale weapon

like for what purpose does para scept actually need a rework like it's fine lmfao

[errant bobcat]

Yes but I specified made with acid wood and sulphuric scales

[drowsy plank]

???

rusty beacon is made with sulph scales

[fossil finch]

that's not preboss!!!! That's post eoc!!!! Which makes this funnier

[drowsy plank]

true

[errant bobcat]

And I feel like more secondary summon weapons should be added like cinders of lament and slime puppet staff

Wait acid rain is post eoc?!?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[errant bobcat]

Sry I had no idea

[glass arch]

yea

[errant bobcat]

I’ll edit the sugg

[drowsy plank]

also

when whips

[errant bobcat]

Yes but more

[drowsy plank]

why

[glass arch]

summoner also has other options at that stage lo

[drowsy plank]

that's what im saying!!

[errant bobcat]

Bc slime puppet and cinders of lament are cool

[drowsy plank]

and there it is folks

that's not valid reasoning for a suggestion lmfao

[glass arch]

the classic "it would be cool"

[drowsy plank]

it would be so awesome
it would be so cool

[glass arch]

me when people dont read the doc

[drowsy plank]

there literally is a sulph scale summoning weapon can you please stop acting like there isnt

[errant bobcat]

I just feel that it needs more secondary weapons besides classless weapons and whips, that’s my main reasoning, and it feels weird to have 2 magic weapons made from the acidwood+sulph scale combo(not sulph scales on their own)

[drowsy plank]

it really

really doesnt

sentries already get shafted enough like

[errant bobcat]

When water leech could have easily been made a summon weapon

[drowsy plank]

why

[errant bobcat]

Yea that’s true

[drowsy plank]

id like to point out this staff used to be a drop from water leeches before they were removed

which is the only reason why

[glass arch]

yeah

[errant bobcat]

Yes I realize that

[drowsy plank]

also why does ranger get two sulph crafts then

if this is actually a problem

like summoner already gets two weapons from this event so??

[errant bobcat]

Ranger doesn’t have 2 weapons, it has a weapon and an accessory

[drowsy plank]

two items

whatever

frankly the last thing this even needs is ANOTHER summoner weapon

we already have two sentries that overlap

[glass arch]

yeah theres plenty

[errant bobcat]

What does need to be added is more flesh to the sentry subclass tho endgame

[drowsy plank]

that has nothing to do with what we're talking about rn but fair

wait

wait

[drowsy plank]

caustic croaker is literally this already

it explodes when it attacks, it just uses sentry slots instead of summon slots

[errant bobcat]

What if they made the relic dropped from protector profaned guardian into a sentry weapon

[drowsy plank]

which makes it functionally identical to slime puppet staff

wh

that is not the issue sentries have late game

[glass arch]

the issue they have is the last armor set sentries get is post-golem

and have 4 accessories total

which dont stack

[drowsy plank]

tbf in the new update stardust gets sentry slots at least so

it aint AS bad but

still pretty miserable

[errant bobcat]

Yes, maybe rework omega blue armor into a sentry armor, it kind of fits it’s theme, especially with the endo hydra sentry

[drowsy plank]

what

[novel belfry]

apparently water leeches were removed?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[novel belfry]

good

[glass arch]

do you mean fearmonger

[drowsy plank]

@errant bobcat wait what are you talking about about every class having an acid wood and sulph scale weapon, where are rogues????

[fossil finch]

Schizoposting

[glass arch]

im actively losing braincells

[errant bobcat]

No, omega blue

[glass arch]

omega blue is pre-dog

and is one of 2 multiclass armors

[fossil finch]

omega blue couldn't also be less related to any sentry ever

[glass arch]

whereas fearmonger is already a summoner armor

[drowsy plank]

when we need to turn the only glass cannon late game set into ANOTHER summoner set bc... idk reasons?? 💀

[errant bobcat]

Rouge has contaminated bile btw

[drowsy plank]

which is made with

water bottles

[errant bobcat]

Oh yea

Sry about the fuss, it just seems out of place to me

[drowsy plank]

so like even in your own flawed reasoning that summoner needs an acidwood craft that's wrong bc rogue's uses water. so like. rusty beacon prototype works even if it uses bars bc they're scale crafts, not acidwood crafts

and like i said, caustic croaker already functions as the class's early "mage but deals summoner damage" weapon bc it explodes on contact just like puppet slime

so you'd constantly need to resummon

[errant bobcat]

I looked at literally everything except for contaminated bile sry, bc on the official wiki all of the sulphuric scale crafts made with acidwood and sulph scales except for contaminated bile.

[drowsy plank]

that just isnt true

ive been talking about the summon weapon that uses scales and bars this entire time and you've just been ignoring it or saying it doesnt count for some reason

[fossil finch]

wow its almost like its the sulphuric scale set

[errant bobcat]

Yes but rusty beacon for some reason isn’t on there

[drowsy plank]

lmao wait why is rusty medallion and rusty beacon not included here lmfao

[fossil finch]

Idk they're mainly thought of as chest things

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[swift wharf]

no its not

[glass arch]

summoner multiclass

[swift wharf]

so multiclass

[glass arch]

and focused more towards summoner

[swift wharf]

its defo more focused on tankiness

[fervent orbit]

its an upgrade of spider, wiki says so

[glass arch]

its offensive stats are focused towards summoner

[swift wharf]

spooky*

[fervent orbit]

huh?

oh fathom

fuck

[swift wharf]

fathom swarmer is

ya

[fervent orbit]

(both useless summoner armours start with f)

its an upgrade of spooky, wiki says so

[swift wharf]

this implies that terra disk is a melee weapon

[glass arch]

its offensive stats are
11% increased damage
5% increased critical strike chance
30% increased summon damage
10% increased movement speed
+100 max life and +60 max mana
10% decreased mana usage
+2 max minions
The summon damage penalty is reduced from -50% damage to -25% damage.
so while yes, it is a very tanky set its also focused towards using summoner because it reduces the damage penalty and increases various summoner stats

[fervent orbit]

no the wiki says its a rogue boomerang

[swift wharf]

but it uses thorn chakram

[glass arch]

and terra disk also uses rogue weapons

[fervent orbit]

ok but wiki doesnt say its an upgrade of thorn chakram

[swift wharf]

but it is

[fervent orbit]

just says it uses it

[glass arch]

fearmonger armor only uses a summoner set, no other armor sets

[swift wharf]

anyways I am 99% sure fearmonger is supposed to be multiclass and not "summoner" multiclass

hence why it got a huge nerf a while ago

[glass arch]

it is a summoner multiclass

[dense ferry]

Yeah no it's summoner multiclass

[fervent orbit]

it is more leaning towards summoner

[swift wharf]

summoner multiclass sounds so fucking redundant

[dense ferry]

It's literally a summoner armor that allows you to use other shit

[frosty trellis]

That, may I add, is hilariously broken due to debuffs

[fervent orbit]

and its going to have a 2nd nerf next update

[frosty trellis]

Ye

But rn it's hilariously broken

Next update it will still be pog just not insanely broken

[swift wharf]

heheha

[fervent orbit]

thats from a rogue player not a summoner

[swift wharf]

⚡

[frosty trellis]

Also Fearmonger is....

Fearmonger just isn't super good for some classes

[swift wharf]

also I remember fearmonger being not that good for summoner I think

[fervent orbit]

its "speical"

fearmonger isnt that good for anything

[frosty trellis]

It's just flat out worse for both mage and summoner in every aspect bc of Silva immunity

[drowsy plank]

fathom swarmer isnt gonna be an upgrade to spider next update so that's a funny

[swift wharf]

so called summoner multiclass

I see

it looks shit for rogue too

[frosty trellis]

It's bad for melee because not only is Godslayer good for making you tanky, but Solar Flare Armor has a shit ton of defensive stats and offensive shit that basically makes it slightly worse Auric Tesla

It's bad for rogue if you want to use stealth strikes since no stealth meter
And ranger it's like meh

It's a tank armor when frankly your current armor options just have better benefits from an overall standpoint

Multiclassing summoner isn't even worthwhile bc it's just losing damage overall by trying that

For like meager benefits depending on the class, or just being flat out worse

Not to mention with stuff like Rampart, Cotbg and Sponge, you don't have a reason for Fearmonger since you have three fantastic defensive accessories that you can use (+ Aegis) and Rampart alone is enough for all your defensive needs, pushing the tank armor necessity to basically zilch if the defensive options you already have are more than plenty for that stage

Tldr: Fearmonger sucks for some classes and bc of Rampart and other fantastic defensive shit, is overkill for literally everything else since they can provide well more than enough for your needs

[swift wharf]

truly

[sullen swan]

fearmonger is more for survival-based summoners

[crude geode]

.

[frosty trellis]

Silva Immunity

[crude geode]

You could have said that back when it was a summon only set but now?

[sullen swan]

pair it with bloodflare core

[frosty trellis]

I'm sorry no amount of defensive shit is going to be better than having a fucking half max hp revive

• can't die for 8 seconds

[sullen swan]

and other tank accs
I literally did dual yharon with that

[frosty trellis]

Nothing should be balanced around personal challenges

Fighting two Yharons at once should not at all be taken into account for anything

Since that's just not something 99.9999999% of the player base will ever do

[sullen swan]

my point is that it’s extremely good for tanking the boss it’s meant to be used against

[crude geode]

You know what else is

The 3 other accessories you get at that point

that blow the armor out of the water

[frosty trellis]

4*
Asgardian Aegis
Rampart of the Deities
Core of the Blood God
The Sponge

[crude geode]

Ty

[frosty trellis]

Rampart in particular

As it alone is enough for all your defensive needs

[sullen swan]

I just find fearmonger to be more tanky than Silva overall (even with tank accs) for bosses in general
sure silva offers a revive but fearmonger has massive life regen that makes it basically invincible provided your not getting chainhit

I can definitely see silva being better for mage though

[frosty trellis]

Okay,
But
Like
It is ever necessary?

No

That's the thing

It's not bad in it of itself
It's just bad in the context of: you have so many other tools that do it's job that you can still use your normal armor and be more than fine from a defensive standpoint

[sullen swan]

ight fine you win
I still think fearmonger is better in some cases but I see your point

[frosty trellis]

I think players would rather not spend an extra 2+ minutes on a fight because they lose 45% damage and 3 slots over Silva for the defense when just... you have so much great defensive shit, the revive, and can just go full warding

The not getting chain hit argument isn't event that valid as with full warding + bloodflare core, so long as you don't get chain hit you can basically be invincible with Rampart

[crude geode]

Really? First I’ve heard of this happening

Sounds kinda. wack

[frosty trellis]

Fathom Swarmer users needing cheat sheet for the armor to be viable: (it's literally worthless)

[crude geode]

Summoner progression at that tier is just kinda wack in general

Spider armor for a third of hardmode until spooky for the last 2/3rds

Or is current hydrothermic not blegh for summoners anymore

[sullen swan]

spooky armour exists (its kinda mid though)

[frosty trellis]

Spider until post plant for spooky
Spooky until post PBG for Plague

[crude geode]

You high

[sullen swan]

i don’t mean it’s bad

[frosty trellis]

Spooky Armor is post golem stats for no good reason

[sullen swan]

it’s just kinda
underwhelming
no unique set bonus it’s just extra minion

same as spider and tiki

[crude geode]

Tiki is useless lol

[sullen swan]

witch doctor when the player buys two things from him and never comes back

or 3

[frosty trellis]

Tiki is quite literally useless bc of Spooky

[frosty trellis]

Rage and Wrath potions bc fishing is cringe

[sullen swan]

just feed angler to the goofy crocodiles
free rod

[frosty trellis]

Still way less time consuming to kill 800 EoCs and get potions that way

Also Imbuing Station

[sullen swan]

that’s one of the two items

[frosty trellis]

Imbuing Station
Tiki helm
Tiki armor
Tiki leggings
Rage pots
Wrath pots

I count 6

[sullen swan]

the other is leaf wings or vials of venom depending on your class

[crude geode]

I love all of witch doctor’s items being mistakes

[sullen swan]

you buy tiki armour
impossible

[frosty trellis]

Leaf wings are literal dogshit

[sullen swan]

[crude geode]

[sullen swan]

shut up I’m lazy to grind other wings

[frosty trellis]

Makes farming pumpkin moons easier

[sullen swan]

money buys everything

[frosty trellis]

One zerg potion and you get fairy wings which can last you until Tattered Fairy

[sullen swan]

i forgor that existed

[frosty trellis]

Bc decent flight time and 60 max HP is legit stupid

And better wing stats than Soul of Cryogen

[sullen swan]

soul of cryogen kinda just

exists

[crude geode]

It really does

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

It's actually pretty good but like
Fairy wings

Fairy wings Fairy wings Fairy wings

[crude geode]

Also by that point you should have wings of any kind

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Fairy Wings

Literally more than viable until post plantera

[crude geode]

Shut up balance nerd

[frosty trellis]

I just use them until I get tattered in my pts

Bc the 60 max HP is legit obsurd

[crude geode]

Balance nerds when I show them a life crystal (it’s free max hp! )

[frosty trellis]

At least those are actually balanced around
Same with the other max HP upgrades

Fairy wings are a mistake

[crude geode]

funny wing balance

[frosty trellis]

Wing balance when post plantera: (Literally just use tattered fairy until post ml)

[crude geode]

Honestly find vanilla’s wing balance (outside of one exception known as soaring insignia) to be better than current cal’s

If you only use two wings in hardmode

[frosty trellis]

By a long shot

Fairy wings are more than fine for all Mechs, Mech alts, Calclone and Plant in fight stats and giving 60 extra max HP is legit stupid

Tattered Fairy wings have the same fight time as Fishron Wings, good wing stats, and give 5% DMG and crit

[crude geode]

Funny

Anyways the current sugg is kinda

Awful

For a variety of reasons

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[crude geode]

Has anyone pinged rover or someone else

[frosty trellis]

I don't think so

@hollow shell rework suggestion that's overly specific and doesn't give proper reasoning

[crude geode]

False reasoning

There’s already a acid wood and sulphuric scales weapon

[frosty trellis]

I think they meant made from both materials at the same time

Which is a dumb reasoning

[drowsy plank]

they gonna be based next update now that they're finally post-Plant

• tiki became a whip set

[crude geode]

Is cal making it so that it’s not just whip range

[frosty trellis]

I was about to agree with you until you reminded me of tiki becoming a whip set
Then just

[crude geode]

Cuz if it doesn’t than tiki is still bad lol

[hollow shell]

🤔 hmm

[frosty trellis]

Firecracker when it can actually reach shit; (Tiki is a bad armor set!)

[frosty trellis]

Also fleshing out pre ds summoner when acid rain is post EoC

Which is just

Adding to the non-existent reasoning

[hollow shell]

yeaaahh

[frosty trellis]

And there isn't an argument on that either since pre DS you have the wulfrum armor which is cool + the whips
Post DS you have Cindarion which is just The Funny

It's very sis'y and lacks proper reasoning

[crude geode]

I can’t tell your thoughts on tiki armor

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[crude geode]

I just don't think whip range is gonna justify the loss in stats compared to spooky

[crude geode]

is there a reason you're hesitant to exclaim?

[hollow shell]

@errant bobcat A few things are questionable about your suggestion

1. You mention Contaminated Bile's recipe even though it has no relation to your main suggestion. If you intend it as a separate suggestion, it should be in a separate message, because suggestions are voted on and it gets confusing when you have multiple ideas in the same message.

2. In the intended progression, Desert Scourge comes before EoC and therefore Acid Rain. So adding more summon content to AR wouldn't help for "pre-DS" summoner

3. Summoner doesn't suffer around that point anyway
   Wulfrum Armor is summoner-dedicated, both pre-DS and post-DS has many summon weps in Calamity (plus vanilla Slime Staff, Finch, Abigail, and Flinx, and some others if you bend progression), and all Pre-HM sentries hover around DS and EoC tiers

[crude geode]

tis the one time summoner isn't suffering from a lack of choices

[frosty trellis]

Pretty much

[cobalt pewter]

it has a reason, and that's because vanilla Terraria regards seasonal moons content as post-Golem despite the event being accessible post-Plant

[frozen hornet]

Then is martians supposed to be post cultist...

[cobalt pewter]

apparently not

[frozen hornet]

This is so awesome

[swift wharf]

what if fearmonger whip armor...

[distant gyro]

it's a thought that can't happen yet (literally no pml whips)

[small timber]

@stuck aspen boss suggestion is disallowed
especially that your idea is very specific

[stuck aspen]

then were can i post it?

[stuck aspen]

^

[frail mantle]

Calamity has too many bosses as is

The devs would prefer to limit the amount they’re planning on adding to the bare minimum

(Yharim)

[small timber]

basically making the existing one better instead of just adding a bunch of new ones yeah

[gilded scroll]

quality over quantity

[frail mantle]

That’s the goal

[stuck aspen]

can i still post my suggestion though?

[frail mantle]

Preferably not

[gilded scroll]

(and theres already a boss between king slime and eye, desert scourge, so it wouldnt even make sense sadly)

having two bosses like that would just lead to confusion-

[sweet escarp]

There's already like 43 total bosses (45 if you want to include mechdusas) I think we have enough

[errant bobcat]

I’m pretty sure that they might already be removing lore items in the future, mods/devs correct me if I’m wrong

[swift wharf]

lollmao

[serene tendon]

Perhaps that was because it involved adding new items, contributing to item bloat and all that.

[swift wharf]

or because of balance issues

[drowsy plank]

L

[swift wharf]

Reasonable statement

[errant bobcat]

They could have made an upgrade to it like yharims stims, or profaned rage/wrath

Profaned armor potion: you gain a holy protective aura

[serene tendon]

I purposefully left the scaling amount up to the Devs in the sugg. It doesn't have to always (or at any point) be invaluable, it just needs to make a noticeable difference throughout the points in the game.

[serene tendon]

Then more, unnecessary items would have to be added

[frail mantle]

@rich cloak guh

[rich cloak]

can we

[frail mantle]

don't.

[rich cloak]

i just want to appreciate the effort

[inner anvil]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Thank_You

Someone paid for that already.

[blazing kettle]

if only i could see suggestions before deletion

[hollow shell]

🤨

[cobalt pewter]

live man reaction

🐴

[tawny mauve]

h

[stable musk]

astral biome spawn really needs huge changes ngl

[frail mantle]

the astral infection just shouldn't generate upon killing wall

limits how cool you can actually make it when you can't really give it funky worldgen to make it really feel alien

[hollow shell]

🤔

[serene tendon]

Easy, simply overwrite whatever used to be there 😏

And if people complain, call it a skill issue

@stable musk You know Hallowed Seeds exist, right?

[hollow shell]

Very much not efficient

[swift wharf]

ah yes replant an entire hallow biome with seeds

[serene tendon]

fair

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

Have to wait for the biome to slowly grow during the tier when you're supposed to be exploring that biome

[serene tendon]

You don't need to do that, just let it spread enough

[swift wharf]

Actually hold onf

[serene tendon]

It doesn't take that long

[swift wharf]

even if the biome spawned before wof

isn't there still a chance for hallow to land on it

and not spawn as well

[hollow shell]

Yeah ideally it'd be some point in time after WoF, because Astral takes precedence
so that you have some time to do Hallow stuff before you run the risk of destroying it

[dense ferry]

Couldn't you do so one always spawn on one side and the other on the other?

I guess not because Vanilla Code haha

[glass arch]

to be fair you dont need to wait for a while if you have enough money, if you can get i think 200 seeds you can make an artificial hallowed pretty easily

[swift wharf]

what if hallowed astral dirt...

[serene tendon]

The Jungle and Ice biomes already do that so I don't think it's a coding issue

[hollow shell]

Or we could add Hallow-Astral hybrid biome which spawn enemies from both
like Corrupt Deserts for example, except it's two infections

[dense ferry]

Hardcoded fuckery

[hollow shell]

Fun fact

[dense ferry]

Or well, the simpler solution, quite literally, make the Steampunker sell Hallowed Solution and that's it, crisis averted

[serene tendon]

In Drunk Worlds they spawn on the same side, it's not hard-coded

[hollow shell]

The Astral is already programmed to always spawn on the Dungeon side, iirc

And on the non-Dungeon side is the Jungle which is way bigger

[glass arch]

drunk worlds are special to say the least

[serene tendon]

Still, it proves it can be modified

[dense ferry]

Yeah, you can't say it's not hardcoded, they just changed it for that one

[dense ferry]

By Relogic

Not by modders

[hollow shell]

Yes that is how we solved the issue of Astral gen failures, so
Why not Hallowed gen failures too

[dense ferry]

Relogic could change the hell background insanity, but modders can't for the love of God

[serene tendon]

Yeah, why on earth can't she in vanilla?

[hollow shell]

Okay but all this about modifying the Hallow's spawn side doesn't matter because

[hollow shell]

.

[dense ferry]

Yeah, Jungle Moment

[glass arch]

yeah the jungle is the most annoying part

[serene tendon]

I guess you're right, the tools given to modders are limited compared to the devs

[dense ferry]

Until there is some better solution this is basically the only thing that can be done to effectively prevent gen issues, yeah

[swift wharf]

I'm pretty sure that you can change hell bgs with enough dark magic

I remember someone being able to do it

[dense ferry]

That happened after like, I think three years or some really long time of experimentation

[serene tendon]

Well, in 1.4.4 there will be hallowed mud iirc, so there won't (when TML updates) be an issue with those two overlapping

[dense ferry]

Undoing hard coding is a knowledge guarded deep within the anals of the world

[dense ferry]

Well, it will still be, just not as much of an issue

[swift wharf]

You could give the player like

[hollow shell]

(it's not as impossible as some make it out to be actually)

[serene tendon]

Nah, cause both enemies will be able to spawn

[swift wharf]

maybe make the steampunker sell solutions

hallowed solutions

[hollow shell]

(just being "hardcoded" is not a restriction anymore and hasn't been for a few years
cuz stuff like Reflection and IL Editing allows it to be possible)

[swift wharf]

you kinda fix scuffed issues with scuffed solutions

[dense ferry]

I should go wash the dishes now

Adiós

[swift wharf]

making it easier for the player to fix the issue themselves is a shrimpler solution

[drowsy plank]

hallowed mud doesnt exist to my knowledge, hallowed can't spread into jungle so it doesn't really matter anyway

[serene tendon]

Ok, good to know

[hollow shell]

Yeah kinda fucked up

[frosty trellis]

It does not
Hallowed and Jungle are friends so the hallowed doesn't kill the jungle

According to Red

[summer coral]

I don’t understand what this means

[hollow shell]

which ironically makes them staunchly incompatible and the Jungle serves to "kill" the hallow much more than it kills the evils (or evils kill the jungle) now

[hollow shell]

There is no Hallowed Jungle Grass, so if your Hallow generates thick into the Jungle side you're just kinda screwed out of a surface hallow

[summer coral]

So like will you be lacking a jungle or hallowed biome

[hollow shell]

The Jungle takes priority. The hallow generating into it does not convert the mud into dirt.

So you just get no hallowed blocks at all aside from a few patches of pearlstone in the jungle

[summer coral]

But hallow can’t grow on mud

[hollow shell]

Yes exactly

[summer coral]

I get it

[hollow shell]

That's the problem

[frosty trellis]

I think there is just a lot of problems with world gen in general atm and not just hallowed/Astral override (as that is fairly rare for me at least)

I think what would be best is if the jungle basically connected to the ocean, then in-between the main spawn forest and jungle the hallowed would span, then between the forest and tundra the infection spawns, then the world evil, dungeon, then Sulf seas to prevent a bunch of incapability but that's just my two thoughts

[summer coral]

So should they make maybe 2 jungle biomes on each side

And a temple on one side

[swift wharf]

shrimply add a super solution that converts all tiles into biome tile

[frosty trellis]

Yeah which isn't ideal

It's possible to take 200 pearlstone and spread it somewhere else but that is heavily time consuming and I want to do as little world transforming as possible in hm as I usually flatten my world in phm

[summer coral]

And add a hollowed jungle which can still work as a jungle but with hallow features

[drowsy plank]

if crimson and corruption just generated lower into the underground/cavern layer from the start we could ditch the whole fucking stupid ass V generation and then just make the hallow generate vertically in one of the like 3 giant swathes of forest that you always get

seriously the V generation of world evil is so fucking awful i dunno why the hell this was the decision

[hollow shell]

It's.. distinct at least

[drowsy plank]

it causes so many problems fr

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

It does ensure easy access to the Underground hallow/evil which are quite important

[drowsy plank]

you could do it in columns and not only would it make more sense, but you would be able to control where it spawns so much more easily to avoid spawning biomes on top of each other

[worthy ocean]

Could in theory world be “stretched” in spots so that there is a room reserved for it? While this would increase world size calamity is a large mod adding tons of biomes and such means more room needed

[frail mantle]

the mod used to do that to account for planetoids

but iirc it caused issues so that was removed

[worthy ocean]

What about increasing high limit, could that work?

Allowing more planet thingies

[frail mantle]

that's what the mod used to do yes

[swift wharf]

I think there's enough space to add new biomes

[worthy ocean]

I’m in a large world and somehow I have only like 10 blocks of the actual biome where enemies spawn for 3 different biomes

[swift wharf]

I mean as like

most of the world is empty space

that's more of a world gen issue

[worthy ocean]

And my sunken sea killed itself

Also my astral infection has no beacon thingy

Or above ground

It’s just underground

A bit in hallow a bit in corruption a bit in snow biome a bit in dungeon

[drowsy plank]

are you using other mods or something?? and this is a large world?

[worthy ocean]

No other world changing mods, large world, I can even give you the seed

[swift wharf]

I am failing to understand whats wrong with that sunken sea

[worthy ocean]

3.3.1.1367271398

[drowsy plank]

wait what

i thought that screenshot was like your entire sea

this looks fine lmao

like yes desert gen fucks with it but this looks about normal

[worthy ocean]

My entire sea has drained

[slow lodge]

kill anahita

get the bottomless lava bucket

[drowsy plank]

the walls will automatically refill it

they generate water over time

[cobalt otter]

What does everyone think about removing the storm saber

I think it’s pretty useless and boring

[stable musk]

not efficient

[stable musk]

place some blocks and break them

[sweet escarp]

I mean it crafts into a dark souls 3 reference but I see what you mean

[cobalt otter]

Storm ruler is fine

[sweet escarp]

But considering it's supposed to be related to storm ruler it would be cool if they made it similar to it and more functional

[cobalt otter]

Just remove saber from the recipie

[sweet escarp]

That way the cloud elemental has something useful other than eye of the storm

[frosty trellis]

Wellllllllllllll
Eye of the storm isn't useful bc HotE is ass

[sweet escarp]

Decent vanity tho if you like cloud waifu 💀

[frosty trellis]

Meh

[sweet escarp]

Idk

Poor cloud elemental man

[ashen warren]

What is a holy biome

[sweet escarp]

The Hallow

[ashen warren]

k

[golden tulip]

hallow knight

[frosty trellis]

That seems

Like a complete balancing nightmare

[distant gyro]

ä

wtf

[fossil finch]

testers on their way to balance every weapon for every tier for every boss for every lore item for every

gear stagnation is not a bad thing this is terraria not minecraft

stuff is allowed to become useless

[frosty trellis]

Also like, the thing is with 1.5 is that that massive stat bloat is gone so you can still use those weapons from the previous tier on the next tier of bosses and not have it take 8 years

[distant gyro]

does everything really need to have a god damn combat purpose

[frosty trellis]

Absolutely not

[distant gyro]

me when someone needs to make draedon's log viable for bosses

[frosty trellis]

Or just rework the bad ones that have potential and kill the rest!!!!!

@hollow shell Large Scale sugg

[drowsy plank]

@open meadow better idea, just put the lore tidbits onto the weapons

[frosty trellis]

That would never be implemented because that is literally the definition of a balancing nightmare

[drowsy plank]

as in just the words

problem solved

[fossil finch]

better idea

do not fucking do that

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[drowsy plank]

lol

[fossil finch]

instead let cei integrate lore or something

[frosty trellis]

True!

[fossil finch]

(What weapons would you even put them in a lot of bosses dont drop them

(and i see 0 reason to add to your weapons tooltip the lore of a random boss

[frosty trellis]

(Draedon Arsenal)

[drowsy plank]

i mostly just meant make more weapons like the victide set

real

[frosty trellis]

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

who cares if everglade spray is just golden shower 2 it has the deep dryad lore on it

[frosty trellis]

[orchid briar]

Dark Souls weapon type lore

[half sage]

calamity players when the lore item is used for lore

[frosty trellis]

[swift wharf]

jesus cristo what the fuck is this

[crude geode]

I think it’s more random players thinking they know game development just from playing through the game and perceiving problems with it

[glass arch]

@stuck galleon ?????

[frail mantle]

strange user

[sweet escarp]

There was a reason the combat functions were removed from the lore items

[swift wharf]

install leveling mod

level up

congratulations!!!! all weapons are now viable!!!!!!

[glass arch]

@midnight mesa specific item suggestion is a big no-no

[midnight mesa]

But

:(

[glass arch]

no

read the doc in the pins

[midnight mesa]

Its just an idea i thought about for a while

[glass arch]

still a no

[midnight mesa]

Theres a endgame mount for exos, why not sCal too

Fuck

I guess wasting time on it was for nothing

[drowsy plank]

yes this is why you should read the rules first

lmfao

[midnight mesa]

Look i thought about it for around half an hour in school

Not too much

But i wasnt able to read teh fucking rules while i was in fucking class

[ashen warren]

SIS detected

[drowsy plank]

ok well you should've read the rules before posting it

[midnight mesa]

Okay i get it dude

But i dont know why item suggestions are bad, they arent forced into the mod

[drowsy plank]

because they're never getting in

[ashen warren]

The aforementioned doc has information about this exact question

[drowsy plank]

true!!!

[midnight mesa]

Then why do suggestions exist

[frail mantle]

the mod has a Lot of items already

[midnight mesa]

I realised that a while ago now

[drowsy plank]

you could still suggest "supreme calamitas should drop a mount item as a counterpart to exo mechs"

[frail mantle]

item suggestions were allowed before but i think only about a dozen or so were ever actually added

[drowsy plank]

it's still... a bad sugg. but that's how the formatting would work

[midnight mesa]

Then thinking about balancing myself was a waste of time

[drowsy plank]

it's about giving the devs room to choose their own implementation, and also for actually addressing issues

yes!

[glass arch]

balancing is up to the devs

[midnight mesa]

Why theyre 2 engame equal bosses, and i might add sCall drops suck

[drowsy plank]

skill issue

[midnight mesa]

Noone uses them

[drowsy plank]

major skill issue lmao

[glass arch]

scal drops might suck but have you considered enchanting and exhuming

[midnight mesa]

Except when getting the endgame gear, but thats it

[midnight mesa]

Enchanting sucks, exhuming is cool

[frosty trellis]

UH WHAT

[midnight mesa]

Scal npc

[glass arch]

i have no idea

thats why i said might

[gilded scroll]

Violence has entered the chat

[glass arch]

because i have never used them

[drowsy plank]

like i said

[gilded scroll]

SCal drops (besides Condem) are fucking cracked

[ashen warren]

Why don't you just...suggest about improving the scal drops tho

[frosty trellis]

Violence: Broken
Gael's Greatsword: Literally under MNL with tester gear
Heresy: Actually pretty pog and cool
Condemnation: Underrated
Vehemence: If you can hit, everything dies

[drowsy plank]

it's because what they really want is an SCal mount which is why i said just... ask for an SCal mount

[midnight mesa]

Look all i wanted was a flying mount scal style cus i prefer her colors over gray exos

[glass arch]

then dye it

[midnight mesa]

And cua my idea has to craft it

[drowsy plank]

but fr current mounts need to be reevaluated to be good before we consider adding more

[gilded scroll]

we dont need a Exo Chair clone-

[midnight mesa]

Dude its still mechanical even if i dye it

[ashen warren]

If you have no luck here, CalVal's a pretty reliable dumpster fire for suggestions that didn't make it into main

(of course I'm joking)

[frosty trellis]

Allicorn and the dragon egg are becomming good
Brimrose is actually good for doging the DoG laser walls and help dodging CV a bit

[midnight mesa]

But a exact copy of exo chair would suck cus unique is good

[gilded scroll]

make it a mod yourself

[frosty trellis]

There is a bit of good mounts

[midnight mesa]

Brimrose is nice

[midnight mesa]

Idk how to code

[glass arch]

then learn

[ashen warren]

Then learn

lol

[midnight mesa]

Texturing, trial and error for me but it works kinda

I am a 14 year old child. I am fucking stupid and i just suggested a fucking mount. Here i am getting bombarded by yall for just trying to make an idea

[glass arch]

not really getting bombarded

[ashen warren]

^

[gilded scroll]

(and this is why reading stuff helps)

[frosty trellis]

Wouldn't say bombarded
Just telling you this isn't how that works and if you want it so bad make it yourself

[midnight mesa]

Suggestions exist to make ideas dont they?

[ashen warren]

(sht I had ping on)

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[frosty trellis]

Yes
AND
There are rules
That must be followed

[midnight mesa]

Look i didnt know thoughts had rules

So i didnt bother

[ashen warren]

:/

[drowsy plank]

krosshair how about you read those mf'ing rules and then you'll understand why we keep talking about this

[midnight mesa]

I thought about this shit b4 reading rules for sugegsting cus i didnt know they exist (other than inappropriate shit thats obvious)

[ashen warren]

the more you know

👍

[frail mantle]

now you know

[midnight mesa]

So ill just stay out of this hellhole of a suggestion tab and just stick to having fun playing the game

[ashen warren]

ok

[glass arch]

ok

[drowsy plank]

lol

[midnight mesa]

Have a nice life

[ashen warren]

You too

[midnight mesa]

👍

[ashen warren]

👍

[glass arch]

👍

[gilded vessel]

Has it ever been discussed buffing the entire ark of the cosmos tree?

[drowsy plank]

why

also #1042197406776827914 but also

why

[serene tendon]

Fractured Ark and AotA are on the strong side, AotE and AotC are still viable (and very fun to use), but with the biome blades, I agree with you.

[gilded vessel]

I mean maybe it’s just skill issue

[frosty trellis]

AotA is ass

[gilded vessel]

But I found better more reliable alternatives for everything

[frosty trellis]

AotE is more than fine

[gilded vessel]

Apart from true biome blade

[frosty trellis]

AotC is getting buffed

[gilded vessel]

And even then it was still not great

I think the issue is just small range

And biome blades insistence on goofy movement

Though yeah they are pretty fun to use

[frosty trellis]

Broken Biome Blade is mostly fine (Except desert attunement is heavily broken)
Biome Blade is very good
True Biome Blade is the 2nd strongest melee weapon for moonlord and is heavily overtuned
Galaxia sucks

Fractured Ark is extremely overpowered still even after the nerf
AotA needs an overhaul bc it's so bad on the bosses it's meant to be fought against due to their AI (Especially death Aureus and Levi)
AotE is great
AotC is meh on SCal, pretty good on Exos and is getting buffed again next update

[gilded vessel]

For how awkward they are to use, I just don’t think they make up for it

[frosty trellis]

I mean

[gilded vessel]

With cosmos I just use pow on mechs

And then exo on s cal

[frosty trellis]

Not everything needs to be easy to use or straight forward

[gilded vessel]

Yeah

But they should be worth it

[frosty trellis]

That's more Ares needs serious resistance to Dragon Pow more than anything

[gilded vessel]

And Thanatos

[frosty trellis]

Ark solo if you're good with Ark is faster on Exos than Pow

Thana less so but a little res couldn't hurt

Ark is better on Exo Twins and Thana than Pow
Pow just melts Ares

Not everything has to be super easy to use
The entire ark line is literally skill based to use. Over intended kt without parry and under with parry as it's skill based (At least that is what is intended)

[gilded vessel]

For the biome blades then, if they didn’t have the goofy movement they would be great

[frosty trellis]

Define goofy movement

[gilded vessel]

I get that

But I don’t think the benefit off sets the skill

[frosty trellis]

Purity/Swordsmans pride doesn't require any craziness
Jungle is just a whip
Tundra benefits from more close range combat
Laminations of the Chained rewards being at a certain distance and being able to work with that
Arid Grandurr/Sanguine's Fury is hilariously broken if you can stay on top of the enemy
Mercurial Tides yeah that needs a buff

And then there is the evil attunements with the dash

Or rather longer dash soc since the bonk, just in a weapon

I don't understand the goofy movement when you can just use the purity attunements

If you don't want to play a specific way

[frosty trellis]

Wdym?

The benefit from FA, AotE and AotC with the parries is enormous if you can get it right

AotA is the only bad one in the group and that's more so that it just needs an overhaul and is bad on the bosses it's supposed to be used on virtue of their AI and size

[gilded vessel]

I just don’t find it worth it to learn a new skill for them

I mean the defensive aspect of partying

Just dodge

[frosty trellis]

You can dodge and parry at the same time????

[gilded vessel]

And the offensive feels underwhelming

[frosty trellis]

It's not

Besides AotA it's anything but underwhelming

[gilded vessel]

I mean partying as a defensive act

[frosty trellis]

The dps change and kt change is staggering

[frosty trellis]

Which isn't a bad thing? There is no harm in having that as some sort of defensive backup

[gilded vessel]

I mean I don’t really remember aota

[frosty trellis]

AotA is bad

So fair enough

[gilded vessel]

I mean I had a blast with cosmos on that on

Yharon

[frosty trellis]

AotC is a post Yharon weapon though

[gilded vessel]

I know

[frosty trellis]

Meant to be used for SCal and Exos
Basing anything off of Yharon makes no sense

[gilded vessel]

well it felt like I was an actual match for him

[frosty trellis]

I'm probably just going to get some kts real quick to show the difference between parry and no parry FA, AotE and AotC

Bc the times are staggering

[gilded vessel]

can you also get some alternative weapons while your at it?

like one from each tier

[frosty trellis]

I mean sure

[gilded vessel]

also are we atleast in agreement with goofy movement from biomeblades?

[frosty trellis]

If not using purity or tundra I can see what you mean

[gilded vessel]

I like tundra

oh nvm I misread that

uh ye, many a time have I been yeeted into a boss trying to use grove tender

maybe there could be a combo move with those

[frosty trellis]

I'll ping you in #1042197406776827914 once I get the kts to give you reference (Can either put it all on a pdf to get dps numbers as welll or I can just give you the killtimes in text, your choice. Idc which)

(Would just like to know which you prefer)

[grim tusk]

Is it SIS season or smth?

[frosty trellis]

Fk if I know

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Shadowspec too

[orchid briar]

SIS the season to be jolly after all

[gilded vessel]

thanks, and just go with any melee of the tier

sorry about the delay, I just downloaded frost punk and the last hour dissapeared

[frosty trellis]

Okay so with FA it works fine (54 sec no parry and 24 with parry, geltic blade was 40smthin)
Apparenlty bc of the LMB release snap (Gives 2 charges), no parry AotE is worse than with parry AotE and AotC without parry is only slightly worse than with

Thanks for actually making me do that since having a chat in #1042197406776827914 about it right now

[gilded vessel]

hm so generally better right?

well I guess the real question then is ease of use

since their projectiles are more reliant upon parrying

especially early on

[frosty trellis]

FA you want to parry no matter what. It's easier and deals a billion more damage
The other two don't bother and just get good with the timing of releasing your LMB on the throw so you get the snap

Since the snap gives 2 charges for some reason

[gilded vessel]

Partying motion probably

Maybe if dashing could go in other directions it could combo better

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Certain Part of Thanatos Always Vulnerable (even if it takes less damage), eg: the Head]

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@sleek turret - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Wulfrum Drill and Wulfrum Fishing Pole unique gimmicks.]

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@glass arch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add an outline to Providence's attacks]

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[still zodiac]

To my understanding it gives 2 charges so that you could do a total of 14 attacks, after which the parry is avaliable to you again to be used off cooldown

[drowsy plank]

ive got a hunch that provi outlines are probably the only one that's going to pass out of this batch

[cobalt pewter]

perhaps

[swift wharf]

give outlines to all boss projectiles t b h

[cobalt pewter]

the thanatos one is def not happening because they're persistent on the current vent system being "intended"

which I find bs but whatever, I have no control over bosses

[stable kiln]

i feel like thats entirely his gimmick which i like, so yeah i dont like that sugg either tbh

[crude geode]

It’s his gimmick but it’s implementation is kinda ass

Actually reading the suggestion explains why

[swift wharf]

i love chipping the boss health by 0.1%

[crude geode]

So great

[swift wharf]

clingclingclingclingcling