suggestions-discussion

[worthy lintel]

to be fair

flames are cool

and it was designed in an era that was both A) notable for the flamethrowers being shit in vanilla and B) adding weapon gud

ok maybe shit is an exageration

but they weren't exactly.... great

granted today with flamethrowers being great flameburster might be out of place now

[slow lodge]

i mean theres like 2 flamethrowers right

the normal one and the elf melter

[worthy lintel]

normal one is post sprime if we want to remain fair

only elf melter is actually on tier

[slow lodge]

yeah

[blazing kettle]

isbt the whole point of the AEW fight that you have to fight it in water

they give a pretty good sized area to fight it in

and you can just build a line between layer 3 and 4

the only problematic part about the fight when i fought it was the final phase where it got real fast and kept shooting lightning

[slow lodge]

true

that is a good point

but my main issue is the abyssal diving suit being a requirement so you lose any benefits from the accessory you usually use

[blazing kettle]

just take off yer wings and use exo chair

[slow lodge]

maybe they could make it so you dont need to have it equipped during the adult wyrm fight but idk how good of an idea that is

[slow lodge]

that'd work

[swift wharf]

yeah it doesn't remove an slot because you don't need wings in the abyss

[blazing kettle]

i forget, did they remove the limitations on teleporting during boss fights?

[swift wharf]

yea

[slow lodge]

thats true

[blazing kettle]

yeah you could just use a warp potion (the one that teleports you home and lesves a portal to where you last were) to restore breath and heal at the nurse

[swift wharf]

And it's a superboss

(As much as I hate that term) So it's kinda supposed to be challenging like that

[slow lodge]

i was thinking of that but also ive seen a video of a guy accidentally dragging the wyrm to their spawn so i didnt wanna bring that up

[swift wharf]

• it's optional so like

[slow lodge]

yeah

[blazing kettle]

you got a solid 15-30 seconds before it reaches your base

unless they made it faster when enraged

[slow lodge]

yeah

https://youtu.be/teF_OSVjoKc

heres the video

[blazing kettle]

okay thats different

when you are in chaos state, theres a delay for when AEW spawns, so you are able to teleport home abd have it spawn there

thats also why it came up on the left instead of the right (the direction of the abyss)

[slow lodge]

alright

[frosty trellis]

Elf Melter has a 2 minute ML kt rn in calamity

[worthy lintel]

excuse me what the fuck

[frosty trellis]

Let me find the kt I did for it awhile back

[blazing kettle]

i forget, didnt it get buffed in labor of love

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it has built in armor pen now

[frosty trellis]

(If I can find it that is)

I legit don't know how to find it LOL

[crude geode]

Terra flameburster is truly a terra weapon of all time

[frosty trellis]

Okay didn't get a kill with it but it's about 2:30-2:40 based on this and this is with tester gear ripperless

[worthy lintel]

🥶

[frosty trellis]

And this is with Fishron wings
Not even tattered fairy

Losing out on 5% crit and damage

And this thing gets frostburn and 15 armor pen in 1.4.4

[north oracle]

can't wait for elf melter to be useable till DoG

[frosty trellis]

I doubt it would be better than Halley's

But yeah

Elf Melter boutta become the new Atlantis

[north oracle]

it's going to be similar to scanner actually

similar obtainable times and it might be usable on SCal after everything

[frosty trellis]

No
The joke there was in the wake of the 1.5 update Atlantis was viable for DoG

[north oracle]

wait seriously

how

how did they make that happen

[royal tapir]

:)

[frosty trellis]

Scanner pre nerf was fine until provi and then it was bad for her

[north oracle]

pretty sure i saw someone get a 4:30 time on SCal with it

[frosty trellis]

That was probably with some dumb ripper build and DPS

[north oracle]

probably

still only like 30 seconds over MNL with a nohit build isn't bad

[frosty trellis]

Bc I was getting 4;50 with the other broken weapon: Tactical Plague Engine with testing gear pre nerf

[frosty trellis]

MNL for SCal is 3:20

[north oracle]

TPE was a little bit broken

[north oracle]

really

oh

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[north oracle]

i redid my attempts aiming for 4:00

oh well

[frosty trellis]

Oh and Hellborn pre nerf was usable on Yharon

[north oracle]

i remember hellborn being ridiculous, didn't know it was that ridiculous

some weapons are just completely broken

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Forbidden Oathblade, Flarefrost Blade and Forsaken Saber all being viable for ML

[north oracle]

i guess with him being a ram heavy boss hellborn would've been really good

[royal tapir]

Melee when speed

[north oracle]

now it's catastrophic claymore that's a bit op right?

[frosty trellis]

Add cata claymore to that list

All 4 rn are viable for ML

Not the best but viable

[north oracle]

yeah

[royal tapir]

Catastrophe Claymore is viable for Folly

[frosty trellis]

RIGHT YEAH

[north oracle]

post mech weapons shouldn't be usable till ML

[frosty trellis]

Isn't Forsaken or Forbbidon also viable for folly?

[royal tapir]

Forsaken was like a 2:4X iirc

Forbidden I don't think so

[frosty trellis]

That is viable for folly zamn

Flarefrost blade I doubt

[royal tapir]

Would be funny

[frosty trellis]

I would love that bc Flarefrost Blade my belothed

But I don't have a folly arena in my testing world so I can't check

[novel belfry]

Speaking of which, Hellborn is so fucking insane that no one even remembers its "downgrade", the helstorm

[swift wharf]

scoria gun

[umbral sonnet]

What about razor blade tycoon, it’s disgusting against him, just dodge and for me I believe got sub 2 minute

[glass arch]

and thats a boss drop, not a miniboss drop

[umbral sonnet]

True

[crude geode]

.

[umbral sonnet]

Oh I’m not complaining

DF mage is annoying to do

Also who suggested enemy scaling

No

Just

No

That sounds like a balance change for that weapon

[glass arch]

yeah enemy scaling is just no

[umbral sonnet]

Not for literally every other weapon which doesn’t get to tear away at enemies

[glass arch]

enemies are made to be an annoyance, not a boss

[small timber]

there is a tread for balance related things now

[umbral sonnet]

he sounds like he plays true melee

[small timber]

can move to there (the tread is mainly to keep this channel suggestion related only)

[umbral sonnet]

it is

this was a suggestion

that of which we are discussing

[small timber]

what is the suggestion? I thought you are discussing razor blade typhoon

[umbral sonnet]

no

w

were discussing the dude who thought enemy scaling was a good idea

[small timber]

oh

[umbral sonnet]

and the 5 other people who thought it was a good idea too

[small timber]

yeah that suggestion is abit scuffed

[umbral sonnet]

I bet its the melee community

thinking that the game is too easy

[small timber]

they didnt really establish anything other than "true melee is too effective against normal enemy therefore they should scale like crazy"

[umbral sonnet]

its a scuffed idea in general

[glass arch]

i also dont want green slimes to pose as much of a threat as they do in early game in every stage

[umbral sonnet]

theres a mod that does it

and uhh

its scuffed

the enemies sacle

as you level up

they start weaker

and sodo you

its really funky endgame

[glass arch]

its just as shrimple as a green slime should not be 2 shotting me post-moon lord

[umbral sonnet]

the optimal skill point distribution ends up being the one thats in the base game

[crude geode]

enemy scaling in progression is silly

it's a valid suggestion but I will personally sugg it's removal if it comes in

[glass arch]

if it was minor scaling then it would be fine but if its to the point where a green slime poses as much of a threat post-moon lord as it does pre-boss then thats stupid

[small timber]

I dont think it will get approved even if it get enough vote just because it is a headache to implement

You can just refer to something like mrjfl no accessory pt, that is basically what scalrd up enemy do where you kill them slowly and they 2-3 shots you

[glass arch]

yeah it would probably just end off like legendary items

[small timber]

Everyone will HATE it

[glass arch]

too much of a headache to be worth it

so what if i instakill a green slime with a late pre-hardmode weapon, its a green slime

[slow lodge]

i'd much rather have scaling on a more categorized level

like how killing providence buffs calamitous enemies and makes them drop bloodstone

it makes it more reasonable to keep track

and also is more thematic than just "you killed yharon now this green slime has the strength of the moon lord"

[ruby plover]

i had a video but i forgor to attach it to the suggestion, fuk

oh wait links exist

magic

[small timber]

I dont know how to word this, but the title probably could be better?

mainly that the minions do not need "increased speed" (as of current) to be viable, but rather "they attack super frequently which makes them look very awkward"?

so the suggestion you are looking for will probably be like, "rework minions with sluggish AI to have increased movement speed to stick to enemy better rather than just attack at absurd frequency" ? or something along the line

[ruby plover]

will do

though i will make it less of a mouthful than what you said lol

[small timber]

yeah the one I proposed is definitely not ideal

[frosty trellis]

I mean ice claspers are anything but underwhelming at the moment as they are under kt for all Mechs and melt AS but yeah the AI could.use some work

[crude geode]

melee ground minion type moment

[small timber]

'it either kill wall of flesh in 20 seconds or can't hit eye of cthulhu 1 block above ground'

[crude geode]

Possibly both

[drowsy plank]

they look fine to me

like i get they move fast but i dont really see an issue with it

[frail fjord]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME

HOW MANY TIMES AM I GOING TO DIE TO THIS BITCH AT 2% HEALTH

ITS HAPPENED FIVE FUCKING TIMES NOW

IM SO DONE

[serene tendon]

Or at any point, for that matter

[serene tendon]

Definitely

[frail mantle]

i think it'd be nice if enemies scaled more smoothly instead of drastically jumping in stats at certain points of progression

every little surface forest piss baby doesn't need to always take a noticeable amount of effort to kill, of course

just enough so that you at least acknowledge their existence in the late game

[frail fjord]

oh

whoops

sorry about that

misclicked 😛

[glass arch]

yeah the way the suggestion is worded makes it seem like they want enemies to always be at the same level of difficulty

if it had been more along the lines of "i should still be realizing pre-hardmode enemies exist when im post-moon lord"

that would have made a lot more sense

[swift wharf]

They're

pre-hardmode enemies

They don't need to be relevant in post-ml

[glass arch]

yeah i know that

[swift wharf]

why not just
put emphasis on the post ml enemies instead

like do we really need green slimes with scorn eater hp

[glass arch]

no

(it was implicated in the original sugg but i was saying if it was a lot more minor than that)

[swift wharf]

they'll always get 2 shot anyway

what's the point

going from 1 to 2 hits

weapons at that tier hit so much they'll go from light speed kill to near light speed kill

[glass arch]

i wasnt saying it was a good sugg, i was just saying if it had been worded like that more people might consider it

[swift wharf]

oh ok

[drowsy plank]

more post ML enemies would be nice

calamity adds a bunch of quirky ones in hardmode, so seeing even just like, one per biome would do wonders

[crude geode]

Post ml dungeon definitely needs an enemy that isn’t just reskinned dungeon spirit

Prolly multiple

[drowsy plank]

lol what if the dungeon weapon upgrades dropped from upgraded dungeon enemies instead of just being ruinous soul upgrades (venusian trident, shadowbolt staff, phantasmal fury, magnetic meltdown, etc.)

[swift wharf]

stronger versions of the stronger versions of dungeon enemies

[crude geode]

Split each dungeon variant into 3, resulting in 9 total areas to explore

[swift wharf]

la dungeon subworldo

[cold sundial]

fungeon

[serene tendon]

Definitely

[frail mantle]

post ML enemies in general would be nice

right now there's

uhhhhhhhhhh

the unholy essence shitheads and phantoplasm fucklenuts...?

[crude geode]

Reskinned dungeon spirit, fat eater, irrelevant hallow additions

[frail mantle]

which one is the fat eater

[crude geode]

Scorn eater

[frail mantle]

oh right

[crude geode]

Only memorable one just bc of how it works

[slow lodge]

i mean yeah

post ML outside of bosses is just that

should probably be something related to providence dying either creating more profaned enemies or calamitous enemies or whatever

[worldly basalt]

the annoying fireball one though

[crude geode]

People really overestimate that one

[worldly basalt]

its annoying

[crude geode]

Some* people

[slow lodge]

i think profaned enemies are annoying in general

im just tryna get some fish in hell leave me alone

[crude geode]

Zen potion:

[slow lodge]

never think about that

still

[cerulean drum]

is it worth to fight the exo mechs?

[crude geode]

Wrong channel

#help-advice-read-pins

[cerulean drum]

hmm

ok

[glass arch]

@bronze tendon wrong channel lmao

[bronze tendon]

I realized

I havent been much on this channel

*discord

[slow lodge]

delete it @bronze tendon

[bronze tendon]

Done

[errant bobcat]

I feel like there’s not enough post ml dungeon enemies yea, the game doesn’t really tell you enough to go to the dungeon or hallow/underworld either

It would be cool to get some kind of post ml mini boss tied to the dungeon or hallow/underworld

I realize that signus, void, and profaned babs exist but they technically count as full bosses. The regular enemy content just doesn’t seem high enough

[swift wharf]

It does tell you

When you kill ML

It has a message for sentinels/dog, dungeon and profaned enemies

[glass arch]

wait whats the dungeon one?

i know what the sentinels and profaned stuff is but i can only remember the exodium ones other than that

[slow lodge]

i think its like

"shrieks echo from the dungeon" or something

yep

[grave zinc]

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[cobalt pewter]

the time

[grave zinc]

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[cobalt pewter]

well that stopped quicker than I thought

[unborn siren]

neat

[crude geode]

I'm going to kill someone

this is absolutely gonna get like 200 stars

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[crude geode]

@gusty burrow note that you're referring to his core weapons and not all of his drops in general

[frosty trellis]

Also "The Old Reaper" exists

[crude geode]

maybe even repost with this image for context

[frosty trellis]

Why does OD have two ranger drops anyways.... It's not like Fetid is even useful when septic is just better

[gusty burrow]

that’s a why i said original drops

the reaper was not made to be an old duke drop originally

[frail mantle]

[gusty burrow]

yes i said original weapons

[hollow ridge]

But fetid is better right?

[gusty burrow]

no

fetid is a useless mega shark clone

[frail mantle]

i know the reason he drops specifically two staves, a gun, a launcher, a sentry and a boomerang is because that's Not what fishron drops

[crude geode]

two staves?

[frail mantle]

ah shit i thought insidious impaler was a staff

one staff and a javelin*

[frosty trellis]

No it's a javelin

Yeah

Insid is pog as well

Viable for Exo Twins if you can hit it

[hollow shell]

obligatory shark gun

[frosty trellis]

Seadragon

Exists

[hollow shell]

not OD

[frosty trellis]

I mean fair

The problem is

Acid Rain t3 also has a ranger weapon

[hollow shell]

Hey I don't like it either

[frosty trellis]

Honestly just kill Fetid. The only reason it's any good is because Luminite Bullets exist

Septic is more cool

[crude geode]

but how will we justify sdfmg

[gusty burrow]

we won’t

[frosty trellis]

It's a space dolphin fishron machine gun that is actually good on Yharon

[gusty burrow]

who’s idea was to make sdfmg the most boring weapon imaginable

[frail mantle]

we add sdomg

[hollow shell]

And, story of my life, I had a very elaborate plan with some other devs for making Fetid a lot cooler, reworked with a different name and identity, and a unique gameplay gimmick
Had to do with SDFMG too

But, alas, it wasn't meant to be

[frail mantle]

<><><><><><><><>

[gusty burrow]

space duke fishron machine gun

not dolphin lol

[crude geode]

what

[frosty trellis]

Oh it's duke

Mb

[gusty burrow]

it’s trash on yharon

[crude geode]

how does that justify it's existence amongst the like 20 other guns

[frosty trellis]

I can personally attest to how it's actually great on Yharon

[gusty burrow]

you attest wrong

[frosty trellis]

It's actually better than a fair few of them

[gusty burrow]

single handedly the worst ranger weapon against yharon

[frosty trellis]

Yharons testing time is 4 minutes and this is with tester gear

[hollow shell]

I would not really use a weapon's current state of balance to justify its existence
Unless the core mechanic of the weapon sets it apart from the other weapons in a way that plays nicely with the boss's behavior

[crude geode]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

facts

[hollow shell]

There are multiple straight-shooting bullet machine guns that occasionally fire a non-bullet projectile
on the same tier

[frosty trellis]

No that's Ultima

[gusty burrow]

never even seen that weapon get fired

[hollow shell]

(actually SDFMG and Fetid aren't on the same tier sorry, but they're very close. Pre-DoG and Post-DoG. They probably perform similarly after The Flattening)

[frosty trellis]

It's literally just Onyxia and SDFMG for machine guns that shoot bullets

[hollow shell]

(Seadragon is Pre-DoG too)

[frosty trellis]

Seadragon is pre polter

Post weaver

[gusty burrow]

ultima has the coolest sprite ever yet nobody uses it cuz it’s so bad

[frosty trellis]

The only reason Fetid preforms any good whatsoever is because of Luminite bullets existing
Otherwise it would just be like, the worst option on tier

Maybe not the worst but high up there

It's just not good and not unique and Acid Rain and OD give a ranger weapon so why does it exist?

[hollow shell]

Indeed. Indeed. Indeed.

[frosty trellis]

Also, you can't remove SDFMG

It's used in a Dev weapon

[hollow shell]

Svante is long long gone

[hollow ridge]

Does SDFMG stand for something?

[hollow shell]

And we are not opposed to editing dev weapons like at all

[frosty trellis]

Space Duke Fishron Machine Gun

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[hollow shell]

Voidragon used to be Megafleet. We completely reworked it without consulting the original dev because the original dev has nothing to do with Calamity anymore

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

We can afford to make Svantechnical use SDMG instead of SDFMG if we so desired

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Honestly I wouldn't be opposed to like, killing half the post dog ranger weapons

There are twenty of them

[hollow shell]

In fact

Page version from 2017

It taking SDFMG was a more recent change

[frosty trellis]

Ic

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

[frosty trellis]

So kill Fetid and SDFMG
Hmmm, what else to kill post dog that isn't a donor....

I would say deathwind can die but DoG needs a ranger drop

[crude geode]

really just goes to show how awful post moon lord mage and ranged are in terms of irginality tbfh

[frosty trellis]

Shrugs You do you

[hollow shell]

Calamity's an old-ass mod with a lot of old-ass stuff in it

[frosty trellis]

Retier either Norfleet or Starmada. There is really no reason for both to be on the same tier

[hollow shell]

Too much old-ass stuff to reasonably keep updated

[frosty trellis]

They are both starcannons

[crude geode]

wasn't one a riv

hence why that accidentally happened

[hollow shell]

Norfleet was, yes

[frosty trellis]

The problem with post dog ranger as I am seeing is that there is donor items and then the non-donor items are actually not even like, bad outside of Onyxia and SDFMG so it's more just mass retiering for some of those weapons more than anything

[hollow shell]

Didn't get removed with the RIV purge because idk people liked it

big fucking explosion

[frosty trellis]

Norfleet performs better than Starmada so fair

Either kill one of them or re-tier one of them

And like, start re-tiering post dog ranger because seriously there is so many but like a decent bit of them are actually kinda cool/donor items so they don't all need to be removed or anything

[crude geode]

there's definitely some generic mage crafts I'd like to see die

[frosty trellis]

Such as...?

[crude geode]

biofussilade, soul piercer, asteroid staff, rogue slash, nuclear fury, purge guzzler, aether's whisper, deathhail, vitriolic viper

aether's whisper I just don't know what to make of and it's always felt kinda. clunky to me.

[hollow ridge]

Nuclear fury is very good on gaurdians

I wouldn't consider it "generic"

[short walrus]

everglade spray?

[frosty trellis]

Bio fair
Soul Piercer yes please
Asteriod yes please
Rogue slash yes please
Nuclear Fury no because Mage needs an actually viable weapon for guardians (And it's kinda cool)
Purge Guzzler yeah just lame
Aether's Whisper is cool as it has damage when target is farther away and the spit shot mechanic which makes it cool
Deathhail fair
Viper is somewhat decent since you actually have to aim with it and stay close to targets for it to have any effect

[hollow shell]

Ah, I thought Purge was the one that got reworked recently
Nah that was Telluric Glare

[crude geode]

viability =/= reason to keep around

[tardy geyser]

why rouge slash?

[frosty trellis]

Lame and bad

[crude geode]

because it's generic and boring

[hollow ridge]

I don't think it's good at all

[tardy geyser]

just needs a buff imo, its unique enough to stay

[hollow shell]

projectiles that are shot forward in a straight line and do nothing while travelling nor on impact, my favorite

[crude geode]

^^^^

[frosty trellis]

Also having a homing option for players who aren't good is never bad for on tier

So long as it's not like, a ton of homing options

And not the strongest option for the main boss

[hollow shell]

Rouge's functionality hasn't changed since 2017 afaik

[crude geode]

mmm what's the strongest option for guardians

[frosty trellis]

Nuclear Fury afaik but that might not be the case anymore depending since Last Prism is overtuned to shit

[hollow ridge]

It is

[gusty burrow]

my god, old elemental ray

[frosty trellis]

And also doing Guardians without a homing option sounds legitimately painful

[tardy geyser]

ig rouges projectiles just look nice and the 3 different speed projectiles make it a little interesting

[hollow shell]

New Elemental Ray is very poggers

[frosty trellis]

New ele ray is very cool ye

Now make shitty clarity cool as well

[crude geode]

elemental ray is my gold standard for mage weapons and why I'm trashing on things like rouge slash

[frosty trellis]

I think rating the entire classes design based on objectively one of the 5 coolest weapons for the class is a little harsh

[hollow shell]

It would be fitting as a post-WoF weapon
But probably not a post-ML weapon

Not to mention that it has next to nothing to do with Folly itself. It doesn't even shoot feathers.

All of Folly's weapons actually fucking suck holy shit

[crude geode]

hence why people don't fight folly ever

[hollow shell]

Plain true melee spear with lifesteal no projectiles no effects
And
gun that shoots 5 bullets no effects whatsoever

Jesus Christ

[crude geode]

if you wanna encourage people to actually do folly on tier you gotta give him better than the most basic weapons imaginable

the mount is honestly cooler than weapons tbfh

[frosty trellis]

At least they are good weapons in practice But yeah folly's drops outside of dynamo do not relate to it

[tardy geyser]

yeah thats fair

[frosty trellis]

Swordsplosion... Why does it drop from folly again?

[hollow ridge]

Rare varient

[gusty burrow]

malice

[frosty trellis]

And like, swordsplosion is not only just not relating to folly, but bad, and just, another reason to not do folly until ater

[tardy geyser]

it has a rage upgrade with is nice, but not really needed

until later i mean

[frozen hornet]

The best part of folly is blunder booster iirc

[hollow ridge]

And with certain weapon the boss is very free

[tardy geyser]

even booster is obtainable without doing folly

[frozen hornet]

Well there's also dynamo cells which give dragonfire immunity

Which is quite nice

[frosty trellis]

And niche as heck since dragonfire is only 90 dot instead of 180

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's wack that even with Folly's rework from Birb, the weapons resprited,
and getting Dynamo and Blunder Booster, and Folly Feed
that the wep's functionalities somehow went completely untouched

[frosty trellis]

It's not needed at all since the game is balanced without rippers in mind

[frozen hornet]

Well yeah but people still use them

[frosty trellis]

Still not needed

[crude geode]

it's clear that cal can make cool things that aren't just bigger/copy-paste version of previous weapons, it just needs to trash some old weapons to go along that path. I give leniency with some upgrades such as the dungeon ones, but when it's around 40-50% of the weapons it starts to get old. Add on top of that the fact that almost all of the mage crafts in post-ml are pretty generic it makes post-ml mage feel pretty unoriginal.

[hollow shell]

A long time ago Fab said that resprites gave him the inspiration to rework stuff

But... yeah man, that ain't the case anymore it seems

[hollow ridge]

I thought folly feed was not very good

[frozen hornet]

You're not needed...

[hollow shell]

see: Empyrean Armor too

and other Meld shit

Tome of Fates got so shafted

Still shoots a fucking brimstone projectile

Meld themed weapon

[crude geode]

yep

tentacle weapons try not to be forgotten challenge

[frozen hornet]

No actual player would skip out on rippers when they get it so saying they're not needed just because testers don't use them for balancing is kinda

[crude geode]

few*

[hollow shell]

(what word is that correcting)

[crude geode]

"no" actual player

[frozen hornet]

The few aren't actual then

[frosty trellis]

I mean I've started just not using rippers in my pts and I handle just fine (And just find it more fun and allows me to learn boss patterns better to get better at the game)

[hollow shell]

the pipeline

[crude geode]

truly

in actuality, if the best thing your boss gives is an upgrade to rage/adrenaline, kinda makes it blegh

[frosty trellis]

There is nothing wrong with using rippers
It's just very much not necessary

[frosty trellis]

Crabulon and Dragonfolly moments

Okay crab is a slight exaggeration since the ranger drop is good

[hollow shell]

byeah the upgrades are fine, nice incentive,
but they're not unique to the bosses

No heart n soul, nothin to remember
Just one of the 5 single-use linear upgrades spread throughout the game

I appreciate Birb's accs a lot more

[frosty trellis]

Blunder Booster is great for spam rogue and Dynamo for early post ml ranger (Unfortunately outside of like, tank builds, the dragonfire immunity isn't that useful anymore over just having a better defensive accessory)

[hollow shell]

I do like the debuff changes, a bunch of accs having a unique immunity like that

Niche purposes are always a plus in my book

There's more that could be done in that field, which I've talked about before with Asgard's and Laudanum

[frosty trellis]

The problem with that is just, dragonfire isn't that threatening after the nerf for having dynamo to be super beneficial over just having Aegis, or Core of the blood god, or heavens forbid Rampart

[crude geode]

(tbh this is the problem I had with polterghast for the longest time, aside from it's sprite DESPERATELY needing a rework)

[frosty trellis]

Okay polter is way to harsh there
Terror Blade
Banshee Hook
Fate's Reveal
Subjugators
Ghoulish Gouger Spam

All actually very good weapons and a few of them have more unique functionality

[gusty burrow]

the drops are fine enough

[crude geode]

had

[gusty burrow]

?

[frosty trellis]

?

[crude geode]

I still need to play with each weapon and give it some proper time in the limelight to recover from my initial impressions

[hollow shell]

(I have an intense bias against Terror Blade for having an incredibly non-melee-like functionality)

[gusty burrow]

oh you used the wrong it’s and it confused me

[frosty trellis]

Terror Blade I can see as boring at first glace but has some niche interactions with it's explosions on walls which makes it viable for SCal
Banshee Hooks lingering projectiles opens up some interesting strategies and with certain playstyles can do wonders for DoG and Thanatos
Fates Reveal summons souls at your cursor that home in on enemies and that's cool
Subjugators are one of the only two minions in the game that take half a slot which makes them interesting by itself
Ghoulish Gouger while not the most interesting this is really strong if you can get close enough to use it properly making it more of a risk/reward weapon

And then Ghastly Visage is boring and sucks

[gusty burrow]

let’s ignore banshee hook is useless because terror blade is objectively better

[crude geode]

terror blade is barely a melee weapon

[frosty trellis]

That's more just Terror Blade is overtuned to an obscene degree

[hollow shell]

In the past I've had good results with Banshee Hook

Dunno how long ago that was

[frosty trellis]

Banshee is pog

[gusty burrow]

doesn’t compare to terror blades dps

[frosty trellis]

Yeah
Because
Terror Blade
Is extremely overpowered

[gusty burrow]

because it’s op as fuck and needs a huge nerf / rework

[frosty trellis]

Not because Banshee is bad

Banshee is great

[hollow shell]

I would love a rework to Terror but that probably won't happen for literal years more

[gusty burrow]

they’re so similar in functionality

[crude geode]

not really?

[frosty trellis]

Terror and Banshee are not similar in functionality whatsoever

[gusty burrow]

literally wrong

all they do is fire projectiles

[frosty trellis]

Lingering wall piercing vs bouncy explosive projectiles

[crude geode]

what a gross oversimplification

[hollow shell]

They both shoot a projectile forward but one shoots multiple that drift to a stop and one bounces off of the walls and explodes multiple times

[frozen hornet]

Same can be said for most weapons in the game

[gusty burrow]

those don’t help against dog

against dog they’re the same but terror is just better

[small timber]

I didnt look at others but imo debuff change are currently abit too niche (from the player immunity side)

[frosty trellis]

Lingering projectiles yeah they can do fucking wonders
And the explosions are great if you can make them work

[frosty trellis]

That's
Because
Terror
Is
Overtuned

Before terror got melee speed it was literally dependent on playstyle if Banshee or Terror was better

[small timber]

the only realistic "good" debuff immunity is basically only plague, astral infection (which on ursa sergeant slows your MS), and finally celestial shell which is already top of the world accessory that conveniently also give 2 debuff immunity for a bunch of upcoming bosses

[frosty trellis]

As both were great in their own cases

[frozen hornet]

Also can't believe you forgot daemon's flame

[frosty trellis]

Daemon's flame? Is that just another generic bow that is only good bc luminite arrows exist?

[hollow shell]

It has accelerating fire rate at least

[small timber]

for others like onfire you just get terraspark or obsidian potion, and things like shadowflame and irridiated is stucked on a summoner accessory, while cursed flame comes after mech

meanwhile electrify is also decent but only 2 bosses (and martian enemy) inflict it

[hollow shell]

and an additional projectile

[crude geode]

daemon's flame could be so much more unique

but it kinda just. isn't.

[small timber]

"what if luminite is just better" yeah (daemon flame)

[crude geode]

in concept it sounds really cool

[frozen hornet]

If I'm being honest I don't remember either

[frosty trellis]

Daemons I thought had a convert based on how it looked to make it more polter themed

But like

It didn't

Which was weird

[crude geode]

it really should just convert

or maybe it did at one point

[frosty trellis]

Luminite Arrows try not to break literally everything moment

(Impossible)

[crude geode]

the true reason I dislike polter weapons is the pink theming when polter is blue /hj

[frosty trellis]

I'm going to be honest, I never noticed it had one

[frozen hornet]

Inb4 the resprite is red

[frosty trellis]

Polter when charging being red so obviously it's weapons are from it's enranged tortured side and not the blue side that's not nearly as aggressive

[crude geode]

I prefer the blue over the pink whaddya want

also at this point most of my gameplay from calamity is from wiki so I'm reminded of blue more than the red

[frosty trellis]

I'm just saying it does have thematic sense. Some weapons being blue over pink (Such as subjugators) would make more sense

[crude geode]

that would be far nicer than one or the other

give each weapon an enrage trigger to turn it pink

[gusty burrow]

if it was blue it would look at lot weaker

the dark blue and red theme fits with polter and phantoplasm

[crude geode]

I'd say the handles fit more with the dungeon itself than it does with polter tbfh, and even than that's only one of the three variants

[hollow shell]

Damn, that almost sounds like
a cool design choice... an interesting mechanic to span all of a weapon set and tie em together using a gameplay-relevant idea rather than just their drop source...

Creativity... differentiation from other sets...

[small timber]

I thought polter weapon being pink is because of phantoplasm

(and phantoplasm/phantom spirit have connection to polter spawn)

[frosty trellis]

Planetation Staff and mutanted truffle: I'm about to end this mans whole career

[crude geode]

what

[frosty trellis]

And also a living nightmare to balance

[hollow shell]

Yes the explanation since the dawn of Polter was
Phantoplasm is stronger than Ectoplasm
Polter eats both Dungeon and Phantom spirits, the ecto making up its body and the phanto making up its core
The pink phanto stuff is where the real strength is so that's why all its weapons are pink, no ecto chaff

[crude geode]

cope harder tester wannabe

[hollow shell]

Only came at the cost of palette variety...

[crude geode]

fr

[frosty trellis]

I didn't ask to be personally attacked today ;-;

But yeah balancing that sort of thing with the low hp mechanic sounds like hell

[hollow shell]

What low HP mechanic

[crude geode]

this would be so nice as the actual palette for polter's weapons

[frosty trellis]

Oh

I am

So dumb

My brain went enrage mechanic as low hp since planetation staff and mutanted truffle enrage below half

[hollow shell]

Oh

Yeah literally the only thing I was thinking about was the weapons having two states that they can swap between, triggered by some condition

[frosty trellis]

Which for polters weapons I would not recommend going that
Simply because you could just intentionally get hit by DoG's head to set you below half and then obliterate DoG that way

[crude geode]

same

[hollow shell]

Having that mechanic across all the weapons and only applied to those weapons

So that you actually like

feel, design cohesion, and interesting fucking

NOT BORING

[gusty burrow]

enrage mechanic could work similar to wulfrum mech

[crude geode]

TRUE

[frail mantle]

I can’t remember why plantation has an enrage mechanic beyond “haha plantera does it”

[gusty burrow]

limited time ability with cool down

[hollow shell]

ask the person who sugg'd it

They're still around I think

[frail mantle]

[gusty burrow]

it makes sense so

[hollow shell]

He may be in this very room

It could be you

It could be me

[small timber]

something something otherwise it is too garbage I guess

[frail mantle]

He could be any one of us

[small timber]

or to keep the plantera phase 1/2 gimmick

[frosty trellis]

(It is pretty bad without the enrage mechanic yeah)

[frail mantle]

Nah i think it was literally just because plantera has two phases

[frosty trellis]

Also that enrage mechanic is useful for newer players who aren't going to be as good at the game so them being below half hp isn't unreasonoable

[crude geode]

planetation staff truly is one of the most weapons of all time

[frail mantle]

Though I guess you could argue it ties into it being a support weapon of sorts?

Maybe?

[crude geode]

It's cool but also why tf do you get it immediately after plantera

alongside a vanilla weapon no one uses or remembers

[frail mantle]

Cause it’s plant related

That’s about it

[crude geode]

god

[small timber]

or the regenator

[hollow shell]

Anyway I'm goin to bed
In conclusion Calamity has too much boring shit and we don't have enough manpower to fix it all
Gnight

[crude geode]

truly

anyways yeah gn

[frosty trellis]

Gn Rover

[frail mantle]

Audio

[crude geode]

Jungle

[small timber]

I just hope they changed the bunch of half HP items to also work with just on half hp (instead of must be below)

since I think Altix (?) did say current basically only the hive mind's accessory (brain something) and old duke scale works at directly on half hp

[crude geode]

bother a tester to find out

[golden tulip]

aeo

[crude geode]

Truly the calamity quote of all time

[distant gyro]

when the calamity is brewing

[frail mantle]

Something dubious is aspiring…

[drowsy plank]

how 2 fix calamity:
-remove the items
-fixed

[glass arch]

easy way to fix Calamity: remove calamity

[neat linden]

a mod can't have issues if it doesn't exist in the first place

:tro

[long ridge]

What do you think of these weapons?

[glass arch]

whys rogue slash on there

its just bad

[long ridge]

it's bland

[glass arch]

so put it in rework

[long ridge]

this isn't about viability

[glass arch]

if its bland then rework it

i know its not a question about viability

you said it was bland after i said it was bad, if it was bad but unique it would be different

[swift wharf]

what the fuck happened to the outline of some of those

[long ridge]

the caustic edge line uses #000000 black in their sprite, and all sprites from the wiki have a black background

[drowsy plank]

rouge slash is also just incredibly uninteresting

also i dont think they do??

yeah no the background is clear

[drowsy plank]

also i disagree with the fact that you put... every single PBG weapon on there

like what tf it gonna drop then

would be cool if they reworked them to be more interesting tho

[long ridge]

PBG drops like 12 weapons tho

[drowsy plank]

goddamn

drops 12 weapons and they can't even make her accessory good LMAO

[long ridge]

also maybe the Virulence (PBG sword) upgrade could replace Virulence itself

[glass arch]

carnage ray i can totally see as unnecessary because bloody edge is being removed and thats just crimson nights edge

i dont personally see whats wrong with biofusillade although the projectiles could be changed so its more of a prism weapon

[long ridge]

its leaf blower 2, but mistlestorm is basically on the same tier and is also leaf blower 2 while also being razorpine 2

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-yo-tone-mf-eggman-dr-eggman-dr-robotnik-sonic-gif-24248673

[swift wharf]

why is opal striker there

[long ridge]

I don't remember

[tardy smelt]

goodbye, the majority of folly's weapon loot pool

[frosty trellis]

Ultrisword line is known to get reworked already
Problem with killing depth crusher and abyss blade is that Neptune's Bounty is actually cool and will have no recipe to make it
Carnage ray is fine bc it's actually different than Night's Ray in the fact that it deals more damage at a longer range but yeah
Not every true melee weapon needs a rework

[tardy smelt]

I don't think Harvest Staff deserves death, by the way

[glass arch]

isnt harvest staff just good with piercing

[frosty trellis]

Harvest Staff def no bc it has its cool little early game gimmick

[frosty trellis]

And the only magic weapon with piercing until Demon Scythe

[tardy smelt]

its a cute weapon that's somewhat unique for its tier

[frosty trellis]

Or at least, decent amounts of piercing

[tardy smelt]

that's good enough

[glass arch]

demon scythe pierces??? i always forgot

[tardy smelt]

its not gorgeous, but its fine visually for what it is

[inner anvil]

Why does this sticker feel powerful?

[frosty trellis]

Demon Scythe has infinite pierce

[tardy smelt]

also what's the difference between "kill" and "die"

[hot zephyr]

stellar striker my beloved

[frosty trellis]

Stellar Striker does not need to get reworked in the slightest

[glass arch]

die is probably remove, kill is probably nerf

[drowsy plank]

im guessing it's ones they'd like to be removed and kill is ones that REALLY need to be removed

[long ridge]

I put most of the exoblade line and oathsword line there because parts of them got reworked

[drowsy plank]

not true, it could definitely use a rework because right now it is literally just lunar flare on a sword

[tardy smelt]

there goes pengo's resprite of that one bow

[tardy smelt]

counterpoint:

its fun to use

[drowsy plank]

it's just a true melee sword that produces projectiles on hit

you could say that about any sword that does exactly that

[small timber]

Is it stellat striker that have its projectile blocked by ceiling

Oh stellat contempt

[tardy smelt]

yeah it does get blocked by ceilings

either way

I'm fine with it

it has its own identity

[long ridge]

the one that really needs a rework tho is floodtide

[tardy smelt]

and I find it fun to use

[tardy smelt]

that I kinda can agree with...?

[long ridge]

its so boring

[small timber]

If evrry true melee weapon get reworked into a unique weapon then eventually all of them will become boring together

[long ridge]

true

[tardy smelt]

not necessarily

but honestly

I think its a waste of development resources

[small timber]

This sounds a bit weird but if every weapon is like biome blade where they have 10 different modes eventually it will just be sensory overload

[tardy smelt]

kill the ones that are literally broadswords with nothing tacked onto them

and balance the rest

simple

[drowsy plank]

im not saying striker needs to be like biome blade but can it at least not use exactly lunar flare's projectiles at least?

[small timber]

Not everything have to be super major unique, just having its own identity is enough

[tardy smelt]

focus on reworking other weapon types

[livid snow]

I suggest rework the Daedalus Golem staff, his AI is very bad on Big arenas

[small timber]

Oh right I was not talking about stellar striker specifically

I mean like reworking all of floodtide, hellkite or whatever postPlant true melee broadsowrd there is

[drowsy plank]

frostflare? oh well that one isnt true melee

uh the perrenial sword prolly

[tardy smelt]

I think its a waste of development resources

only rework things that truly need it 👍

[small timber]

Just like, make daedalus golem can jump and it will be immediately fine

[drowsy plank]

cant daedalus already jump

[tardy smelt]

or make it follow you over platforms better

[small timber]

Yeah either; I thought they can jump bit if you are some platform above they cant catch up

[long ridge]

i just put basically all of exoblade line, since its start got reworked by vannila (Terra blade) and end (terratomere , exoblade)

[small timber]

Or give it like any ground pet AI where they just fly for a bit to catch up

[drowsy plank]

yeah

just because the other parts of the line got reworked doesn't mean everything needs to, but you are right that a lot of these swords kind of suck ass

mostly because cal adds way too many swords lmao

[long ridge]

i guess you could just remove a few of them, like what happend to pheonix blade

[drowsy plank]

hellkite deserves to mega die

[frosty trellis]

As long as my beloved flarefrost blade doesn't die y'all can kill whatever

[small timber]

Just remove every weapon and only keep the good one, like... P90

Problem solved no more cringe ununique weapon problem

[frosty trellis]

Isn't P90 megashark #98?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[frosty trellis]

Is there a reason for the P90 to exist bc... Uzi...

[small timber]

P90 is unique in that it is somehow worse than any other gun that can shoot bullets at its tier

[drowsy plank]

ALKJSFK

ur not wrong

[long ridge]

I would have put Prismatic Blade, Red Sun, and Rem's Revenge on the die section, but sadly they cant be removed

[frosty trellis]

Even with Armor pen?

[frosty trellis]

Prismatic Breaker you mean?

[drowsy plank]

red sun is fine

[long ridge]

yea

[small timber]

It dont shoot 2 bullet at once anymore

[frosty trellis]

Red Sun is fine. It's actually kinda cool and demolishes Terminus Providence so it has its niche

[drowsy plank]

rem's is also fine, like i get it's Litearlly Just A Flail but like, when is the last flail you even get

[frosty trellis]

Prismatic Breaker is like, actually really cool in concept and functionality.... It just needs to not scale with melee speed as ranger bonuses are irrelevant on it because of it

[drowsy plank]

the last flail in the game you get is fuckin tumbleweed... like rem's is fine

[frosty trellis]

Flow Pow is the previous one I think if we are talking pure flails

[drowsy plank]

nah tumbleweed is GSS so that comes after plant

[frosty trellis]

Ah yeah tumbleweed right

Forgot that exists

[long ridge]

evry tier of post moon lord has a flail exept dev tier

[drowsy plank]

actually i think rem's is the last flail that actually behaves like a flail and not like solar eruption lmfao

that is not true

like yes i am looking at the wiki rn and yes these weapons are listed as flails but solar eruption is not a flail there's no spike ball at the end, there's no wind up, it's just like a long chain sword

[frosty trellis]

Mourning Star (post providence) is not a flail
There is nothing post polter (I've tested that tier several times, I would know)
Post DoG is Cosmic Discharge but that also isn't a flail
Post Yharon is Dragon Pow but that is anything but a flail
Post Exos Spine of Thanatos? Oh please that's not a flail in any sense

[drowsy plank]

you forgot crescent moon and pulse dragon

[frosty trellis]

Oh right crescent moon

That exists

[drowsy plank]

tbf they

[frosty trellis]

Mourning Star/Crescent Moon/Cosmic Discharge are basically whips that actually do melee damage

[drowsy plank]

also are solar eruption "flails"

[frosty trellis]

Not Flails

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[long ridge]

fair

[frosty trellis]

Pulse dragon I never really considered a flail in any sense

Dragon Pow beings flail couldn't make less sense

Spine of Thanatos I don't see the connection with a flail there

Rems Revenge is the only flail with that functionality of a flail for all of post ml

[long ridge]

and still is really boring

[drowsy plank]

remove vanilla flails

[frosty trellis]

Shrugs Unique functionality for the tier itself and preforms quite well

[long ridge]

the fishron flail type flails are so boring

[drowsy plank]

rem's is actually cool bc it is not a broadsword and that in it of itself gives it a pass

[frosty trellis]

True!

There's a lot of far more boring items in post ml that can die rather than rems so yeah

Like all the yoyos that aren't Lacerator. Like, seriously, there doesn't need to be so many

[drowsy plank]

calling rem's a fishron flail would imply it shoot a projectile bc who uses the actually melee part of flairon lmao

[frosty trellis]

Lacerator gets to stay bc it's a literal meme at this point

[frosty trellis]

Who actually uses flairon in calamity when Briny Baron exists

[drowsy plank]

18 yoyos still no good ones /s

[drowsy plank]

me when melee razorblade typhoon

[long ridge]

only like sulphurorus grabber is cool

[frosty trellis]

Flairon is melee bubble gun with homing then

[frosty trellis]

Oracle is decently cool

[drowsy plank]

it is

[long ridge]

and oracle i guess

[frosty trellis]

Oracles charge functionality makes it unique in that sense

And the dragon aura

[small timber]

Yoyo when most of the HM ones are monster while most of the postML ones are garbage

[frosty trellis]

That melts Thanatos but that's like half the game at this point

Tenebris Tides can melt Thana

[small timber]

Except the postPlant yoyos, those sucks

[drowsy plank]

quagmire 💀

[frosty trellis]

EOC is like actually good though, no?

[small timber]

Duststorm in a bottle also melts thanatos at elemental disk pace

[frosty trellis]

Fair

Thanatos when it needs resistance to literally half the game bc it's melt prone

[small timber]

EOC is actually super good yeah

It is hard to use on like golem and anahita (the fish) and thats it, maybe EoL

[drowsy plank]

i love the vent system! i love having to weaken a boss to the point where weapons from the middle of the game can shred a lategame boss because for most of its fight it is immune to damage!!!

[frosty trellis]

The openings are so bad

[long ridge]

why does hive mind only get 5 weapons while perforators gets 1 for each class and then 2 more for melee?

[frosty trellis]

It's literally just melt Thanatos or suffer through phase 5 for two minutes
There is no in between

[drowsy plank]

because we hate corruption <3 /s

[frosty trellis]

The openings system is literally the brimstone hearts of Exo Mechs

Some weapons annihilate them while others are not viable

[small timber]

Because corruption have ancient shadow armor

[drowsy plank]

like why does crimson get meatball but corruption doesn't get a lance? corruption is just the game's punching bag

[long ridge]

Are the weapons that I put in "die" really that bad or am I overreacting

[frosty trellis]

Carnage ray is kinda cool but otherwise yeah those can all go bye bye

[swift wharf]

simply move carnage ray

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[drowsy plank]

what if carnage ray and flesh of infidelity got turned into like

true forms of night's ray and eye of night or something

i know that sounds weird but im not really sure where else you could put them since we aren't really gonna need "crimson counterparts" to shadow weapons anymore

turn them into slime god drops? put them in the abyss or dungeon? idk they're weird

maybe they could just become WoF drops like Carnage?

[long ridge]

Maybe they can become hardmode blood moon drops?

Maybe even something like throwing something into shimmer during a blood moon?

[drowsy plank]

huh

blood moon drops isn't a bad idea either

that, WoF, or just crimson enemy drops prolly

either way can't really make a sugg about it since you'd need to talk about bloody edge's remove which is future content, but after that update drops ill prolly make a sugg about it if the team hasn't already got plans for them

[grim tusk]

I’d say we give it the :nuclearoption:

PBG has 2 acc drops anywyas

[drowsy plank]

that would be fine with me lol

[drowsy plank]

wait what is her other accessory drop?

[grim tusk]

The also dogshit: Plagued fuel pack

That one thankfully is easy to buff

(Just make the clouds’ iframes not dogshit)

[drowsy plank]

that isn't dropped by PBG actually...

it's

dropped by plaguebringers

[grim tusk]

Oh right

It stopped being PBG drop

Toxic heart’s only salvation is rework then

[drowsy plank]

i love plague enemy drops they make so much sense :)

[grim tusk]

Tru

[cobalt pewter]

laao you forgot twice

I think PBG dropping PFP is just hardwired

but yeah

I think Alchemical Flask just needs the funny bonk outta existence

and give its effect to Toxic Heart

[frozen hornet]

No that means no plague immunity for PBG which would make me very sad

Alch flask lost the immunity in 1.5 and regained it some updates later while toxic heart (iirc) has always had it

[drowsy plank]

who care

give it to fuckin

amobrosial ampoule or something, that's an accessory that needs a reason to exist

[cobalt pewter]

mini veinminer for wulfrum drill :clue

[sleek turret]

🥹

horrendous statement tbh

[crude geode]

@midnight plover you should probably acknowledge the black hole attack where it sucks you in

[midnight plover]

I mean all of the projectiles converge to the boss in that phase, so it is almost a guaranteed hit anyway

but yea i probably should mention that

[crude geode]

Put that in the sugg then yeah

[grim tusk]

@midnight plover i’d rename the sugg title

To better reflect your reason

[hollow shell]

What's wrong with it

(Unless he's already changed it from what it was before)

[grim tusk]

Oh wait i get the reasoning better now

Current title makes sense then

[swift wharf]

umm

but isn't being near a black hole kinda bad for you

if the problem is the unavoidable damage at the start of the fight, make so it doesn't do contact damage at the start of the fight

[small timber]

That is what should happen yes

Both start of the fight and each post blackhole transition should not deal contact damage

[swift wharf]

guh

[ashen walrus]

bring back the 22 devs

[glass arch]

its not up to calamity to bring them back

[ashen walrus]

and?

[glass arch]

so they cant bring them back

they left on their own, they will come back on their own if they even come back

[ashen walrus]

🥱

[weak field]

This guy knows

[cobalt pewter]

why is this even here

it's not relevant to mod suggs

[hollow shell]

I'm glad it wasn't in suggposting at least

( 🤜🪵 🤜🪵 🤜🪵 🤜🪵)

[cobalt pewter]

🤜 🥩

but yes

[grave zinc]

@flint notch - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the shattered community a unique rage bar sprite]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

nice

[glass arch]

@idle goblet agressive much

[idle goblet]

Piss off, you don’t agree?

[glass arch]

do you think they want to lose composers

[idle goblet]

They lost Dokuro

[cobalt pewter]

yeah okay nah

[idle goblet]

That was a fuckin tragedy

So what do they do

[glass arch]

not by any fault of the team

[cobalt pewter]

@frail mantle dip this man into ivory

[idle goblet]

They lose the only person that could want to

[glass arch]

let me ask you

do you know why dokuro left

it was the community

not the devs

[idle goblet]

Well in that case that’s even worse

[glass arch]

so dont get pissed at the devs

your anger is misplaced

[frail mantle]

I can assure you that the devs know their environment is an issue

Complaining about it won’t solve anything

Now I go back into hiding so I don’t need to think about this shit again

[blazing kettle]

wasnt it the community that made dokuro leave? not the devs?

[thin hill]

Bro what

[idle goblet]

Well something better get fixed, because now it’s a pattern for Calamity to lose perfect composers

[glass arch]

yes

[idle goblet]

People wouldn’t want to compose for the team that had two fine composers leave

On their own accord

I’m sure calamity’s community gets a bad enough rep

[alpine dawn]

2 times isn't a pattern. It's twice, you numbnuts. And you know how each case is different? Did you even read why CD wanted to leave?

[glass arch]

trust us

we know

[alpine dawn]

Or did you just see that someone left and went "grrr"

Yeah the environment was bad they know

[glass arch]

all these things you're bringing up? we've known about the community being bad probably since before dokuro left

[idle goblet]

It’s composers leaving twice on their own reasoning because of the people involved with a mod, especially if they’re being paid to work on it, that says something

[glass arch]

and dev stuff we can't see because guess the fuck what

we aint devs

as leon said

complaining gets you nowhere

[alpine dawn]

Who would have thought working on a project for a whole could be straining and you can't do it forever

[keen zodiac]

did cdmusic leave?

[glass arch]

it just shoves your head even further up your ass

[idle goblet]

I know it’s just

[glass arch]

yes, but he said hes gonna finish the exo theme

[keen zodiac]

OH THANK GOD

[blazing kettle]

also why are you focused on the composer of all people, shouldnt you be more concerned over the actual developers leaving?

[idle goblet]

I thought that seeing Dokuro leave would fix the problems that made him want to leave

[crisp geode]

I mean what other themes are there

[glass arch]

yharim (eventually)

[idle goblet]

Dokuro made the greatest music I ever heard

[proper jewel]

the problem with him was the “community”

[whole tundra]

Boss rush

[blazing kettle]

boss rush

[glass arch]

maybe xeroc and noxus

[crisp geode]

By the time yharim even gets proper concept art we’ll probably have another artist

[proper jewel]

this one was the devs

[glass arch]

oh yeah i forgot about boss rush

[distant gyro]

there's 18 themes in planning

[willow widget]

jesus

[glass arch]

wait WHAT

[proper jewel]

so yes the problem was fixed

[idle goblet]

Oh look who shows up

[willow widget]

all the new biomes and stuff?

interesting

[idle goblet]

Heya dev, how’s things going not having a composer

Explain this shit dammit

[whole tundra]

But we already have 2 good choices for a new Composer

[crisp geode]

What 18 new biomes what hell is planned for this mod

[distant gyro]

the biomes, boss rush themes, specific remixes, and the remaining bosses

[blazing kettle]

the 5 im aware that need music are the last boss rush themes, exo mechs, and the two confirmed endgame bosses

[whole tundra]

The remaining boss rush themes*

[glass arch]

currently thats the least of their worries

[whole tundra]

As 1-3 are finished

[crisp geode]

Only two confirmed? There’s yharim, noxus and xeroc no?

[glass arch]

isnt yharim the only confirmed one

[blazing kettle]

can ya calm down for just a moment and stop blaming stuff and being snarky

[whole tundra]

Remaining boss rush themes

Atleast 4 then

[crisp geode]

I mean two confirmed bosses

[blazing kettle]

also how tf would iris of all people want to make CD leave

[idle goblet]

He’s a dev he would know why

Or at least more than us

[alpine dawn]

Please shut up. Please, just shut up man

You are not helping my being a douche

[whole tundra]

CD said that it was Dev workspace related and not Community related

[alpine dawn]

By

[glass arch]

like yeah not having a composer is bad but also losing half of your dev team is just a touch worse

[short walrus]

You know, people like you are the reason Dok left to begin with.

[crisp geode]

Guys what the hell have I been missing

[alpine dawn]

Like, do you think some random dev is responsible for the bad environment that made them want to leave?

[safe oasis]

why is this leaking into sugg disc 😭

[blazing kettle]

i know, but hes making is sound like iris did it

[glass arch]

because of fort maximus being a dipshit

[crisp geode]

Well read the suggestion

[ruby plover]

well to be fair
did anyone truly think we could change their mind

[safe oasis]

yeah it could've just been deleted and left alone

[ruby plover]

wasnt realistic but the best thing that coulda been done was to ignore it and have it be deleted

[blazing kettle]

true

[small timber]

I think just shut the convo down, this is not even suggestion related anymore
take this to like general talk or something, this conversation will result in nothing and is just a waste of time

[glass arch]

based

[ruby plover]

i do not think its best to continue this conversation, regardless of channel

[blazing kettle]

at least this settled down fast

[idle goblet]

Whatever

[ruby plover]

all the explanation that is needed for now is in mod announcements, anyway

[glass arch]

anyways time for me to clock out and hit the hay

night yall

[idle goblet]

I’m just pissed, I love the music this mod has, it goes far beyond what a simple mod should compose, and to see Dokuro leave was a tragedy, and hearing CD was a ray of hope that just got crushed

[ruby plover]

yeah, we know

[idle goblet]

So yea I’m pissed to see another good composer leave and I wanna punch the wall that is the chat room

Sorry.

[small timber]

then here of all things is not the right place to vent the heat yeah

it will just end up like, getting other people mad too instead

[hollow shell]

I'm sure I don't need to ping for why I'm deleting this suggestion

[small timber]

@hearty swift joke suggestion is not allowed

and no, it is a joke suggestion, for very obvious reason

[hearty swift]

does that mean it wont get added

[small timber]

it will not, regardless of if a suggestion is made or not

[hearty swift]

are you lying

you dont have any roles

[small timber]

@hollow shell (it will be faster than me trying to argue with it)

[hollow shell]

@hearty swift Don't suggest that please Thank you.

[hearty swift]

😦

[austere zinc]

so my suggestion ?

[short walrus]

is very cool

[swift wharf]

very reasonable but sad

mantis shrimps are so cool

[short walrus]

fighter ai with absurdly high damage

[swift wharf]

i mean the animal not the enemy

[short walrus]

in that case yes they are awesome

[neat linden]

the weapon is pointless imo

so yeah i agree

also it "explodes" on enemy hits

except no

that shit is only visual

[swift wharf]

that's why we should rework 4 enemies to ignore knockback resistance and punt you into the sky

(4 enemies being atlas, mantis shrimp and I can't count past 3)

[cobalt pewter]

it's """intended"""

I gave up trying to push changes to Thanatos's vent system

because I suggested something like that, it didn't get much anywhere, and it's always been passed up as "the current system is intended"

[hardy dock]

Would probably be better if Thanatos was just more aggressive

It's way more passive than the other two

[frosty trellis]

Thanatos definitely needs some form of an un-nerf since it's extremely passive yeah

It's definitely doable to manipulate him in the solo phases to open up more (as a couple platforms and celestial tracers and just running does wonders) but yeah

But that also encourages the use of tracers when both options should be equally viable in some way for Exos

[jagged jewel]

shit should never be removed only added

[glass arch]

add the removal of stuff

[jagged jewel]

Lmao

[frosty trellis]

If it's a bug it should be fixed

And frankly summer once you get a wulfrum drone and armor is a ton more bearable

That or a snapthorn

[jagged jewel]

i mean it makes the class literally better

It's not particularly a disgustingly large advantage but it does make summoner less of a meat shield

I think it still does regular wulfrum damage which is tiny but it's nice to have an extra summon at no cost

[novel belfry]

Honestly, wulfrum drones are actually pretty powerful

[jagged jewel]

Alternatively it could just be added to the game normally since the flying wulfrum butcher knife combined with spirit glyph let's you rock 6 extra defence for the cost of free fiddy