suggestions-discussion

[distant gyro]

you get the damage part of rotten brain but not the penalty

[crude geode]

@topaz anvil known issue

also go read the top pin if you wanna talk about balance, there's a thread there

[golden tulip]

it wouldnt be terraria if there wasnt an unbalanced class

except its all of them

maybe not ranger but ranger is too boring to make unbalanced

[small timber]

and using basically only 2 weapon to conclude that "spam is better than stealth" is not really reasonable

just like I can't say "stealth is better than spam" because god's paranoia stealth is stupid

[cobalt pewter]

fart

[frozen hornet]

Pog

NOO MY BOY

Wait wait I read that wrong

God dammit why is regen so fucking complicated

[swift wharf]

halved regen = bad
halved regen time = good
?

[swift wharf]

maliciously making a suggestion to remove configs

🦹

[lucid flare]

good suggestion

although if u want to keep the curses in i'd recommend u put in that they should just be put in terminus instead

[swift wharf]

[lucid flare]

[swift wharf]

but fr tho

do we need

ball and chain config
nohit but not config
iron heart config

[lucid flare]

no

[austere cargo]

Kind of a vague idea I had, but should there be more hints about the post-moon lord content in hardmode? Calamitas and Draedon have a presence before moon lord, but Providence, DoG, and Yharon don't really despite being the major questlines of post-Moon Lord.

[sullen swan]

I mean like
how would you include them

[crude geode]

There’s plans around biomes for dog and provi

Post dog biome but eh still more presence for him

[sullen swan]

yharon will also have a biome

[crude geode]

Indeed

[sullen swan]

which is somehow linked to aew

[crude geode]

First I’ve heard of this

[austere cargo]

for DoG, I guess the Astrum Deus connection could be more explicit

have it drop a component of the cosmic worm or just make cosmic worm require astral bars

[sullen swan]

there isn’t a connection
yharm just pushed the “kill this man button” and dog ate him

or part of him

[austere cargo]

that's still a connection

[sullen swan]

but like

why would it make a component of cosmic worm

maybe cosmilite items could require astral bars since dog absorbed some of deus powers

[austere cargo]

so, Deus's lore has

Though struck down from its place among the stars its remnants have gathered strength, aiming to take its rightful place in the cosmos once more.

the first part is referring to DoG

[sullen swan]

DoG was the one who struck it down

yes

[austere cargo]

making that a little more explicit and adding astral bars to the cosmic worm means that when the player is looking at what astral bars craft, they see something that summons "The Devourer of Gods"

(Also Calamitas herself could stand to have some amount of presence between CalClone and Supreme Calamitas)

[grim tusk]

Oh, LMAO

[swift wharf]

reasons why AS should be the first boss in the checklist numero 10

[austere cargo]

I suppose for Yharon, Dragonfolly being summonable pre-Moon Lord is already a tie-in. Maybe Draconic Swarmers could rarely spawn in the Jungle post-Cultist

oh, huh, Yharon himself is fightable pre-Moon Lord

you'd probably die horribly, but it's an option

[small timber]

I am still in support for the "boss checklist" to just be on the terminus

and the rest of the bosses are just hinted at by having their own biomes (which is already planned anyway)

dont have to forcefully shout the player in the face "YO FIGHT DRAGONFOLLY AND PROFANED GUARDIAN NEXT" basically

[austere cargo]

boss checklist is a separate thing though, right?

[drowsy plank]

yes boss checklist is an external mod

not to mention obtaining terminus is

Very Hard

unless the player is giving a broken terminus at the start of the game

would at least explain why the terrarian is butchering all these random monsters at least

[small timber]

there is a reason???

[drowsy plank]

i am not sure what tone ur asking that question in

[small timber]

I mean lore-wise isnt the point of the terrarian that they are super power hungry and just kill everything in sight no question asked? hence the scal dialogue

so ya I really just mean there is a reason why terrarian is butchering all these random monsters other than they just want to kill everything?

[hollow frost]

do they not just fight the monsters because the monsters are fighting them

[short walrus]

gonna do a bit of trolling and say that the terrarian is canonically whoever the fuck you want and has no set ingame lore outside of what you do in the playthrough

[small timber]

terrarian is actually just someone who really want to fish but bosses keep coming to them
and somehow killed gods before they are able to fish

#real lore

[short walrus]

fair enough

[frail mantle]

That works

[hollow frost]

so real

[austere cargo]

Stained, Brutal Calamity takes that interpretation of the player, but I'm not sure it's a reliable narrator

[frail mantle]

Lyrics aren’t canon anyway

[short walrus]

that too

[frail mantle]

Though in SBC’s case they don’t conflict too much with the lore so it doesn’t make too much of a difference

[hollow frost]

is it first person, second person, third person, omniscient...

[austere cargo]

kind of all of those in that order

Also Roar of the Jungle Dragon is essentially canon, right?

[frail mantle]

No (maybe)

It’s of dubious canonity

[austere cargo]

Canon really can't stray too far from it at this point, it's way too high profile

[frail mantle]

It could

But I don’t know if it still will

[drowsy plank]

idk and idc that much, and while u make a good point, if the player did have a broken terminus with the bosses listed on it, it'd at least explain why they fight some of the really random ones. idk

[austere cargo]

it can, but it probably shouldn't

[small timber]

"you are no god, but I will devour your essence regardless"
"this is my message to my master..."
"yo new weapon test subject, time for you to face my opum magnus"
"you are unfit for the hero will be defeating the tyrant yharim"

'FUCK OFF I JUST WANT TO FISH'
yeah actually it is kinda fitting, considering all of them are trying to find trouble with the players

especially the end game ones

considering in lore these creatures just exist, rather than you summoning them with an item

[swift wharf]

rotjd is not canon

[hollow frost]

what's the lore to grab from roar of the jungle dragon anyway, yharon is loyal but kinda worried?

[frail mantle]

Yeah

[austere cargo]

that and Yharim has become withdrawn

although SBC also has that one

[golden tulip]

BRI ISH

[hollow frost]

the lore item works well enough "damn bro my faithful companion... anyways continue making your way to me"

[frail mantle]

I call it if dubious canonity because although it has historically been regarded as non canon since it contradicts old lore, yharon’s lore could be rewritten so it doesn’t contradict anymore

[frail mantle]

Fortunately Britain isn’t canon

[austere cargo]

what was the old lore?

[hollow frost]

yharon's lore has been written down? lul

[austere cargo]

(I came in in 1.5 so I don't know the old history)

[hollow frost]

yeah same boat 😔

[drowsy plank]

thank god

[frail mantle]

Something about a soul bond that makes Yharim and Yharon immortal as long as the other one lives

[austere cargo]

so we didn't actually kill Yharon?

[frail mantle]

You did

[frozen hornet]

yharon wears old god slayer armor and can revive

[austere cargo]

but Yharim still lives, so Yharon is immortal

[frail mantle]

But he can revive unless you also kill Yharim

[austere cargo]

oh, I see

[hollow frost]

the lorde + yharon vs. terrarian

[austere cargo]

was thinking the final boss would be Yharim Yharon tag team where you have to kill both at once

[frail mantle]

No idea if that concept is still staying though

[hollow frost]

astrum deus part 2

part 2

[austere cargo]

though ideally not completely wrecked by the hydraulic volt crasher

[hollow frost]

suggestion: make the final boss a worm 🫶😌😁👍

[austere cargo]

it's funny, you can beat Astrum Deus super early with that, and it's pointless because you don't have ancient manipulator

[frail mantle]

Nah

Thanatos will likely remain the final worm boss added to the mod

[austere cargo]

can I just say that worm bosses are actually really fun and I don't mind how many calamity has

[cobalt pewter]

yharon no longer farmable once yharim dies

[hollow frost]

yippee

[austere cargo]

Yharim has a worm phase

I mean he's got to have like 10 phases, right

[cobalt pewter]

yharon is transmogrified into a worm

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-gif-22026840

[hollow frost]

final boss you drop a drunk princess voodoo doll in shimmer and it summons yharim

I always liked the guide/wof thing with the big bad being right under your shnoz

[austere cargo]

the first phase of Yharim is the entire boss rush

[hollow frost]

yharim but he absorbs both BoC and hive mind at the start of phase 2 and becomes megamind

[grave zinc]

@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the recipe of "Sirenproof Earmuffs" so that it'd be accessible in early Hardmode.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

flinx fur + silk

[drowsy plank]

nice

[grim tusk]

@topaz anvil more like exe blade is commically overpowered due to it getting stealth’s dmg mult on spam attacks due to a bug

Stealth is extremely fucking strong at that tier

But Exe blade spam is just on another level due to that bug (x3.25 dmg of what its supposed to)

Also exe blade is a craft

Eradicator is the DoG drop (and its sucks on both styles)

[frosty trellis]

Actually Eradicator Spam isn't half bad

Needs a slight buff but isn't bad in the slightest

[swift wharf]

just needs to tip the scales a bit

[grim tusk]

You sure it aint your aggression?

[frosty trellis]

Shrugs might be, can do another attempt later and see how that goes

[small timber]

This is the one I get

I think the way you move matters a lot, if you try to move away from yharon eradiator especially spam will stay for longer like tracking disk and deal higher damage

[frosty trellis]

Tldr: Nerf Ven locket stealth bonus icic

[frosty trellis]

Fair

So aggression would make it worse

[grim tusk]

But its finally viable (without it even getting reworked) lol

[frosty trellis]

Oh yeah it is

Ven Locket is very cool and a must for spam

[grim tusk]

Before stealth 2.5 Ven locket was like bottom tier

[frosty trellis]

Zamn

Wasn't that also bc EE was broken?

[grim tusk]

Ethereal exhorter was op as shit ye

[crude geode]

rogue balancing be looking at accessories more than weapons

[frosty trellis]

Literally

[small timber]

There is also corrosive spine.and dragon scale

[frosty trellis]

Like corrosive spine inflicting irradiated so Scourge of the Seas annihilates everything

[small timber]

Glove of recklessness is also an issue while at least glove of precision is more predictable

[frosty trellis]

Dragon Scale with 8-9 minute Exos kt with throwing bricks stealth moment

[frosty trellis]

It's less so now

But yeah

In the previous patch it literally cut down Hypothermia spam's KT by a full minute over v-locket

[grim tusk]

Glove of recklessness is fine now?
Glove of precision has backlogged nerf

[grim tusk]

Dragon Scale has backlogged nerf

[grim tusk]

Corrosive spine im unsure since the main issue is primarily the vulnerability system

Vampiric Talisman has a nerf on #changelogs

EE im unsure (if it needs nerf it will be projectile base dmg again, or dmg bonus to 8%)

Ven locket is finally viable (due to stealth 2.5) but on some weapons its apparently big stupid. And also the Final Dawn “feature” with it.
Needs rework
Gloves got rebalanced recently
Older die doesnt exist anymore, it cant hurt us
Thief’s dime has plans
Coin line got nerfed
Sheath line got nerfed
Rotten Dogtooth got indirect but needed change
Mirror line got nerfed
Spectral veil buffed
Momentum capacitor got recycled into Burden Breaker 2
Feather crown got buffs, might need more or full rework
Plagued fuel pack has backlogged buffs
Scuttler’s jewel became op for some patches but then became more normal

[swift wharf]

is it not possible to nerf an acc but only for some weapons

[grim tusk]

TRUE, it was comedy lmao

[grim tusk]

No

[swift wharf]

damn

[distant gyro]

it is but i dont want to do it

that's like resist but worse

[crude geode]

Resist is already a funny mechanic let’s not make resist 2

[keen leaf]

New suggestion: allow this to happen again to allow for unintentional bossfights

[drowsy plank]

is that supposed to be a joke or something

[keen leaf]

Nice try, they're literally in the game, you can't fool .e

Bri ish scal is Canon

[glass arch]

thats not even in game lmao

thats only in the music video

[keen leaf]

Bri ish scal is real

[vocal galleon]

Ahh, so basically if you wanna see it, its in server.log, usually everything thats happening should show up in server.log instead of client.log because your in multiplayer.

[keen leaf]

Yeah but that sort of defeats the purpose

Having to dig through server logs to find a reminder doesn't make it a very good reminder

[vocal galleon]

yeah, not sure if they really planned it on next update like others saying above.

[gray nebula]

british scal should be real...

it would be so cool

[tardy geyser]

exhuming a teacup should give you calamitea

[errant cloud]

I am trembling in fear

Please do not awaken the cringe /s

[ornate kestrel]

I can imagine her saying bottle of water

Well not actually saying

I also for some reason imagine her instead being queen of England

Not a witch

[small timber]

Make scal bri ish and have her voice acted and speak for each subphase and BH change

[ornate kestrel]

Make the npc say bo le o wa er in a bri sh accen

[hot zephyr]

ONLY if Yharim can be scottish

[gray nebula]

thats not even a tradeoff

scottish yharim would be awesome

hes like scrooge mcduck

[short walrus]

@remote rose why should this happen + no boss suggestions + plans are made iirc

[frosty trellis]

Astral Underground is getting an overhaul at some point

The above ground area I don't see how it isn't fleshed out

You have your early hardmode stuff with the new biome and titan hearts for rogue and stuff
Then post plant you have Aureus and all the shit that provides
Then lunar events you get Deus and Astral ore

Doesn't need to be post ml shit or early hm shit

Ice biome literally unused post cryogen
Crags unused post brimstone Elemental

[crude geode]

mpg you forgot about bloodstones

[remote rose]

if you dont play as rogue then you have 0 reason to do anything there early hardmode
thats just a little bit of late hardmode stuff

why shouldn't it have early hm or post ml stuff?

i like the astral infection and wanna see it given more purpose

[crude geode]

bc early hm already has a fuckton of weapons

but also plans for astral underground are already made

[frosty trellis]

I forget bloodstones drop there now since Ravager is far more lucrative

[drowsy plank]

there's plenty to do in early HM astral

[frosty trellis]

Polaris Parrotfish for Ranger
Glorius End and the Mana upgrade for Mage

The infection will not be getting more bosses. Fabsol has already stated there will be no new bosses pre SCal/Exos for the mod

The infection doesn't need more stuff.
Early hardmode is like either the single most or the second most bloated tier in the game right now and is frankly already overwhelming and so many things need to just die, not add more things that aren't necessary.
Post ML it's not really a necessity either as you fight the master of the infection, Deus, pre ml and you've dominated the biome by that point and post ML is already a long journey and has a shit load of things and the last thing we need is to add more to the infection when it already does it's job for the stage of the game it's introduced: Hardmode, which is the most bloated part of the game regardless

[drowsy plank]

it's not like the evil biomes get anything post-ML either lmao

[frosty trellis]

The evil biomes don't get anything post Mechs

Ice biome doesn't get anything post cryogen

Forest gets nothing

Like

[drowsy plank]

forest "biome" isnt real

[frosty trellis]

Infection isn't the only thing that ends at a certain point

[frozen hornet]

Don't forget desert

[drowsy plank]

GSS probably being moved is

a thing

[frosty trellis]

GSS is getting moved to post ml (for some reason)

[frozen hornet]

okay true but that is a devplans.png

[glass arch]

@remote rose add more reasoning

you're suggestion is just "please do x, it would be cool" which is a big no-no for posting suggestions

shit i was late af

point still stands

[small timber]

the suggestion is also the "this will just be done naturally" kind of suggestion

like, imagine if suggest to "patch the game more", it will not do anything

they will not patch the game more nor less because of the suggestion; nor will astral infection just suddenly get reworked because a suggestion pop out when it is already planned for rework at some point

[ruby plover]

i think we are all ignoring the fact they asked politely

[short walrus]

true

wait where did the guy who suggested to give elemental gauntlet hellfire go :(

[stable musk]

❗gun?

[short walrus]

yes

[small timber]

@red jungle already planned, calamity will not be adding their own whips for now, will balance out the existing ones (vanilla) first

that is the main reason why there is no whips yet: because even the pre-Moon Lord vanilla one are not yet balanced

[red jungle]

Gotcha, thanks for the quick response and that makes sense.

[swift wharf]

cryonic ore

[cobalt pewter]

cal's cooldown rack is not (currently) designed towards more than 22 buff slots

but adding a config would be nice since that's what most cal UI elements get (adren, rage, stealth)

[frail mantle]

it should probably be moved at least down anyway since iirc 1.4.4 doubled the buff limit

[short walrus]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

yeah but muh future content

or be unnecessarily extra and bring the whole rack down when the amount of buff rows increases

[swift wharf]

It has a config

[cobalt pewter]

not that silly

I meant position config

[swift wharf]

no

it will not be placed behind the first row of buffs

[bright crag]

And bosses won't help Astral Infection

It needs more non-boss content, specially exploration stuff

[gray nebula]

just make the cooldown rack react accordingly to changes in buff slots

[turbid ibex]

Add a simple premech

[turbid ibex]

That causes the infection to spread and it adds a drop to summon areaus

[short walrus]

why though

[small timber]

then if the player never know there is a miniboss they will just straight up miss a biome

[short walrus]

this would excacerbate the massive problems with early hardmode

[small timber]

+if they kill it late astral might just not have place to spawn or override a biome that already have things

[cobalt pewter]

g....ggggguuuuuh

[cobalt pewter]

that is what I said

[gray nebula]

yes

an i repeated it

[cobalt pewter]

copy cta

https://tenor.com/view/despite-all-my-rage-despite-cat-gif-24628181

[gray nebula]

but u were arguing for a config to move it anwyays

[bright crag]

Miniboss, if at all :p

[gray nebula]

which woulda been weird since like i mean damn yea kinda weird

[cobalt pewter]

yeah kinda.........nfjffjfj

I am personally open to either

[swift wharf]

no configs

[glass arch]

i personally would be very open to the cooldowns being movable because then i could do a fargos mutant debuff display kinda thing

[gray nebula]

?

[glass arch]

if they were moveable i could put them under my character

[gray nebula]

ok but theyre not centered

[glass arch]

i have successfully confused both of us

[fervent orbit]

xpc when i see then typing in #suggestions-posting :

[drowsy plank]

good change i think

people complain about aure a LOT

and yharon, despite being less of an issue, already has a mechanic like this with the flares

[fervent orbit]

any nerf to aureus is a good nerf in my books

[hot zephyr]

nah aureus just needs his DR cut significantly

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

this seems unnecessary when you can just cut its tanky

[small timber]

I think directly cutting DR was mentioned and fabsol said something about cutting DR will cause aureus to melt; I dont know if that is true or not but I just assume it is which is why I suggested this as alternative

[frosty trellis]

Fab has already told us that if we lower his Dr he gets melted and he needs the 50% Dr for that reason

[hot zephyr]

wrong :)

[frosty trellis]

?

[hot zephyr]

he's wrong

:)

[frosty trellis]

Fabs wrong?

[serene tendon]

Maybe just reduce Aureus's defense

[hot zephyr]

yea

[inner anvil]

Then go tell him.

[hot zephyr]

l8r

[frosty trellis]

You're a dev Ian. You can do that now

[hot zephyr]

after the crumbling potion changes it'd be A-OK to nerf Aureus' DR, tbh

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[serene tendon]

There's an easy enough way to find out if I'm not mistaken. I don't know anything about modding but making a mod that drops his DR for testing shouldn't be too hard I think

[frosty trellis]

That's another thing is that lunic Eye turns Aureus from a slugfest into a joke sometimes depending on the weapon

[small timber]

Lunic eye when it deleted 25% DR

Oh right I wanted to mention how cursed flame was more accessible for all class which now is no longer DR reducing, but I guess since I mentioned lunic eye it is too late now

[drowsy plank]

im okay with lunic being good bc classless weapons are so shit at least that gives it a purpose

[hot zephyr]

when 1.4.4 porting starts absolutely

[inner anvil]

Understandable.

[hot zephyr]

not only was 50% kinda silly DURING the super DR killing cursed flames funtime it's even worse now

half of aureus currently difficulty is trying to find away around the DR

evidently from both community and tester feedback it's too much

some bosses will always have a wacky weapon that ends up resulting in a free kill, do a vanilla 1.4.4 run and just see how long the Flamethrower will carry you

I'd rather the trash be viable on Aureus while god weapons remain god weapons than how it is currently

@small timber gud sug

[small timber]

Remove Aureus DR but double its HP

nothing can go wrong

[hot zephyr]

That's kinda wacky but I'd prefer it over the current state to be completely honest

[gray nebula]

keep digging

[hot zephyr]

to where

[gray nebula]

keep digging

[hot zephyr]

how far

[drowsy plank]

keep digging

[small timber]

Legendary armored digger rework plan in devs backlog file (it now fire lasers)

[cobalt pewter]

proto Thanos

[small timber]

Betsy curse is way stronger than armor crunch or prechanged cursed flame, there is a reason it is applied by 1 (?) Mediocre weapon only

And the rework idea you proposed is like... Abit weird?

Why does the "get the debuff if hit by an enemy with the debuff" part need to exist?

[little stag]

I'm not sure if that was too speccific, but the general proposal is for the everglade spray to be an upgrade to ichor that works under some sort of reward, eg something like an Yanmei's Knife

[small timber]

In that case it is a bit weird I think, imo there is really not much reason to make it have risk

It is already later in progression to golden shower, I dont see why it cant be a direct upgrade

And the risk you specified kinda turn it into a nohit weapon, which is not ideal imo

[little stag]

well makes sense

[little stag]

about that
well sure it can
but I feel like it'd be less pointless to make it a risk reward weapon

because otherwise it'll just be "hey you get an X dps increase after this certain point of the game"

[crude geode]

risk reward weapon

[small timber]

Golden shower is kinda already a debuff weapon (except against worms), same with everglade spray's previous function when cursed flane reduce DR

Dont have to really force a risk to it, especially that it is class specific

[grim tusk]

Fab’s very wrong and I have evidence which I have already placed on Dev

[grim tusk]

And basically only 2 (3 with summoner and whips) can reliably do that meanwhile ranger and mage go fuck themselves (or bring Lunic eye)

Or you just go debuff build since debuffs ignore DR

And best class to debuff build at this tier is rogue since totality breakers + umbraphile armor is dumb as shit

[cobalt pewter]

what is totality breakers

(clueless)

[swift wharf]

la bomba

[crude geode]

imagine clowning on totality breakers when it's predecessors exist

[swift wharf]

ah yes the uhhh

desecrated water uhhhhhh

i remember the names just not the recipe

[crude geode]

exactly

completely forgettable, esp. now that it's spread amongst the early hardmode weaponry

[cobalt pewter]

the entire line is just stupid

that's my argument

we don't need another terra blade

especially not when none of its materials are worth a damn

[glass arch]

if im gonna be honest ive only used totality breakers once, although that was in 1.3 so idk if its better now

[umbral sonnet]

I suggested a while ago to rename seafood to “suspicious looking seafood” and some guys got people to hate it because there are already a lot of items with the “suspicious” prefix in calamities vanities

[novel belfry]

that's odd

i think the sugg seems otherwise nice tho

[distant gyro]

the only predecessor is molotov

[swift wharf]

but why

[distant gyro]

too many things are sus

stop the sussy today

[swift wharf]

suspicious is kinda tied to eoc so like

keep that way for uniqueness

why specifically seafood

[umbral sonnet]

Because in its current state the aquatic scourge summon can be passed over really easy, and you shouldn’t have to use the wiki to beat the game

If not rotting seafood

[glass arch]

rename it to sulpherous seafood

[umbral sonnet]

Or sulphuric seafood

[swift wharf]

how would that fix it

[umbral sonnet]

Sulphuric sushi

Because it makes the name standout more

[swift wharf]

the recipe is the same

the way to get it is the same

it would change nothing

[umbral sonnet]

You go over it and it looks like such a basic item

It’s literally named seafood

[glass arch]

with it being named as a food people are still gonna think nothing of it

[umbral sonnet]

It’s so basic

[swift wharf]

kid named tooltip

literally just
read tbe tooltip

[umbral sonnet]

If ur scrolling through the crafting list

Ur just gonna see something named seafood pop up

[glass arch]

like even if it has a different name, "Sulphuric Seafood" just seems like a craftable buff you can get from sulphur sea matereals

[swift wharf]

go on show how long the crafting list for its materials is

[umbral sonnet]

I had to look up how to craft it to figure out where it was

[glass arch]

theres like 3 materials used for it

[umbral sonnet]

Dude it has literally just some mob drops as it’s crafting materials

[swift wharf]

shark fins don't have a lot of crafts

sulph sand doesn't have a lot of crafts

[glass arch]

yeah you're bound to see it if you want to make a megashark

[umbral sonnet]

?

Dude u only get sulphuric sand if ur going rogue

U only get mega shark if ranged

[swift wharf]

ok so let's say I'm a new player

[umbral sonnet]

You usually don’t have the two things at once

[swift wharf]

and I mine some sulph sand

so I go to the guide

and see the recipes

boom
seafood item

[umbral sonnet]

Yes

[swift wharf]

oh my god aquatic scourge

[umbral sonnet]

Ur literally gonna see some seafood and be like
Oh it’s just another sea based food item

[glass arch]

and theres also starfish which is used for like nothing and you're gonna have it because desert scourge

[umbral sonnet]

The point is, why the name seafood

[glass arch]

because it is seafood

it just summons a really angry worm

[umbral sonnet]

All the other summons get interesting names that clue you into their summons

Bro, a mechanical worm summons a really angry worm

Sea food just summons a rehydrated desert scourge

[glass arch]

Decapodita Sprout
who would think thats a summon for anything

[umbral sonnet]

Someone literally just spent channel points on rehydration

[umbral sonnet]

Because the item looks interesting

Seafood has nothing going for it

[swift wharf]

this is nitpicking

[glass arch]

yeah

[umbral sonnet]

You can skip aquatic scourge for every class but mage

[glass arch]

no

it drops one thing for mage

[umbral sonnet]

The whole point of sugg?

[swift wharf]

yes

it is nitpicking

[glass arch]

and that thing is pretty mediocre

[umbral sonnet]

You need Poseidon for endgame item

[glass arch]

it doesnt drop poseidon

[umbral sonnet]

It does

[swift wharf]

isn't poseidon a clam item

[umbral sonnet]

WIt

[glass arch]

giant clam drops poseidon

[umbral sonnet]

Oops

[swift wharf]

sunken sea

[umbral sonnet]

Lol

That’s even worse

It has no useful drops

[glass arch]

still

[umbral sonnet]

U can skip it

[glass arch]

you're bound to see it

[swift wharf]

[umbral sonnet]

The boss is basically skipped

[swift wharf]

you can skip a ton of bosses what's your point

[umbral sonnet]

But most don’t because of certain items

[glass arch]

yeah

doesnt mean you cant skip em

[umbral sonnet]

I skip aquatic scourge basically every time

[swift wharf]

ok and how is that relevant

[glass arch]

plus AS has sea's searing which is stacked for ranged

[swift wharf]

scourge of the sea + the rogue accessory when it

• tier 2 acid rain melee javelin

• acid rain summoner accessory

[umbral sonnet]

Because it’s an uninteresting, useless, worm boss that has no cool niche feature, has almost no useful drops, and is kinda annoying to find in the first place without wiki

[glass arch]

• acid rain tier 2 in general

[crude geode]

just make it so seafood is a bucket like chum bucket that can be thrown in the water to attract aquatic scourge

[umbral sonnet]

It’s a l a m e boss

[swift wharf]

based

[glass arch]

just because it has no directly useful items that doesnt mean its not useful

[umbral sonnet]

AS be like
L A M E

[umbral sonnet]

Yes, yes it does

[swift wharf]

least biased suggestor

[glass arch]

acid rain tier 2 is almost necessary for summoner

its not an unuseful boss

[umbral sonnet]

My friend went the entire game as summoner without touching the boss

Said it was ez

[glass arch]

well then he missed out

[umbral sonnet]

He didn’t miss out if he didn’t struggle

[swift wharf]

[crude geode]

I love how this deviates from renaming the item to just I dislike aquatic scourge

[swift wharf]

Truly

[umbral sonnet]

I’m saying why it should be renamed

I honestly think it needs a rework

[swift wharf]

I dislike the boss so the summoning item should he renamed

GOD

[umbral sonnet]

I wish it was more interesting

[swift wharf]

[glass arch]

he cant get nucleogenesis without killing AS

so yes, he did miss out

[umbral sonnet]

Nucleogenisis is rogue

[glass arch]

nope

[umbral sonnet]

Isn’t it?

[glass arch]

nucleogenesis is a summoner accessory

Nucleogenesis is a craftable post-Moon Lord accessory that is the direct upgrade to the Star-Tainted Generator and Statis' Curse. While equipped, the player gains +4 minion slots, which doesn't stack with downgrades

[umbral sonnet]

Ah

Hold on I need to do my attacks in clash

Nvm I got a minute

[glass arch]

and while technically you can get nuclear rod from tier 3 acid rain its a lot less useful at that stage except to make nucleogenesis

[umbral sonnet]

Aquatic scourge is just a busy work boss

[glass arch]

while in early hardmode its a lot more useful because more minion slots is always good

[swift wharf]

[umbral sonnet]

He isn’t interesting on his own, so to combat this, they locked an event upgrade behind him

[glass arch]

great sand shark has the same problem

nobody complains about him tho

[swift wharf]

we do

[crude geode]

I do

[swift wharf]

gss suffers from scuffed tiering

[umbral sonnet]

He actually drops something useful to every class

[cobalt pewter]

wdym, gss is fine enough post dog...?

:cluel

[distant gyro]

idk

[glass arch]

me when ANOTHER post-plantera unlock

[umbral sonnet]

Cuz RTN is based

[distant gyro]

but bosses aren't being removed if that's the suggestion

[crude geode]

it's originally about renaming seafood

unsure how we got here

[glass arch]

this all started with them wanting seafood renamed

[distant gyro]

if you're gonna skip it, all the power to you

[umbral sonnet]

No i just think AS needs a rework

[distant gyro]

go ahead and start calamity after ml is dead

it's not a huge deal

[crude geode]

just rework every hm boss :cluel

[swift wharf]

i will turn you into seafood

[glass arch]

just go fight moon lord as your third boss

nothing in cal stops you

in fact cal is what makes that possible

[cobalt pewter]

imagine unironically throwing around the word "rework"

[crude geode]

this channel has ruined the word

[cobalt pewter]

that word has lost value in cal in general

[swift wharf]

I don't think that the reason for the suggestion being disliked was items being named suspicious

[distant gyro]

me when reworking satisfies the one half and then causes the other half to turn to shit

[swift wharf]

[cobalt pewter]

nah cal ruined the word itself, we just followed the lead

[small timber]

blessing is the only one still stack

[swift wharf]

devourer of go

[crude geode]

I personally dislike desert/aquatic existing together but I can't exactly formulate my reasoning for why, or even believe that my dislike is going to change the mod

the bosses are, as they stand, fine

[glass arch]

well the only things it could stack with are the pretty much only other minion/summon amount increasing accessories at that stage

[crude geode]

but muh consistency

[small timber]

but it stack with the most important one, which is papyrus scarab

[distant gyro]

statis blessing might be removed anyway

[small timber]

yeah it is abit in a weird spot right now

[glass arch]

its +1 minion in addition to minion damage boosts, the +1 minion is just what doesnt get carried over

[small timber]

it is barely an upgrade from scarab which is 1 slot 15% damage, it give 2 slot 10%

it feels like a "side grade" (eventhough yeah, it is still an upgrade)

[distant gyro]

at worst it's an immediate upgrade and also at worst it can enter stack hell

[small timber]

also why tf does blessing make minion give holy flame

[crude geode]

can we make statis theming less all over the place

[cobalt pewter]

when the lore

[crude geode]

truly

[glass arch]

the holy water and cores of sunlight? maybe??

[cobalt pewter]

(it changes every 2.5 micro seconds)

[distant gyro]

wtf no

that's just a lie

[crude geode]

me when I spread misinformation in sugg discussion

[cobalt pewter]

sot rue

[distant gyro]

official lore is eternally on pause

so it changes never

[cobalt pewter]

awesome

[distant gyro]

technically stasis for a year or longer

[crude geode]

almost 2 years

[glass arch]

#lore-discussion's version of the lore changes every 2.5 microseconds, not the official stuff

[small timber]

no I mean, why does a post-Plantera accessory make minions universally apply a post-ML debuff

but yeah, balance moment

[ornate kestrel]

Official lore is in a weird unfinished put on hold place

[distant gyro]

it's stasis since draedon logs

[swift wharf]

what the slime god man doing

[crude geode]

I love how statis is somewhat consistent with slime(?) theming but then changes to void theming halfway through the game

[distant gyro]

slime, holy, darkness, void

[swift wharf]

the pipeline

[glass arch]

true excalibur inflicts holy fire too but thats the only other pre-moon lord thing (not including statis curse)

[novel belfry]

that implies that slimes are inherently void-based monsters

[ornate kestrel]

I just want to be able to have lore that I can read and make sense of

[crude geode]

too bad

[ornate kestrel]

But everything is everywhere

So

That's not happening soon

[glass arch]

and cultist EoL both inflict it so theres also that

[small timber]

that is 1 weapon

instead of the entire class

[ornate kestrel]

It makes a little sense the true Excalibur does

But it doesn't make sense that summoners just get to inflict it whenever

[glass arch]

yeah it should be summons have a like 1/50 chance to inflict holy flames on hit

[crude geode]

no

[glass arch]

why not

[crude geode]

bc that just sounds stupid

[small timber]

yeah

either it always do it or it dont do it, not chance based

[ornate kestrel]

It just shouldn't

[grave zinc]

@fathom aspen - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[An appropriate icon for Daybroken.]

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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework the Wood Armors into Utility Sets]

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[novel belfry]

[ashen warren]

Real

[small timber]

@rough oxide you cant just suggest to rework a weapon for seemingly no reason, especially that you idea is rather specific

[bright crag]

^
It would be better to provide reasons

[rough oxide]

i think i mentioned that the ,,petals,, (projectiles) are flying in diffrent direction which leads to dealign about 200dps meanwhile deepsea staff 600 dps

it would be a cool change to make it more usefull

[short walrus]

dps is not used

provide killtimes

[inner anvil]

I agree that this weapon should get a rework, it's a terrible weapon, and just balancing doesn't help.

[rough oxide]

it was just a suggestion tho devs could show some love to this weapon 😉

i think it would be a cool change

but its up to them

[bright crag]

Yes, I also agree that it needs a rework

It's still better to include a properly detailed reason :p

[cobalt pewter]

@runic willow no.

[runic willow]

Why

[cobalt pewter]

what are you trying to imply with 2 words

[runic willow]

It would be cool

[frail mantle]

give reasoning

[bright crag]

^

[runic willow]

Ok I will

[bright crag]

And proper formatting

[frail mantle]

like why Calamity of all mods should add XXL worlds

[rough oxide]

i believe there were xxl i 1.3 tmod

[bright crag]

As an experimental feature in 64bit tMod, iirc

Which Calamity didn't support

[rough oxide]

more specific reason? ungt idk like its far back in terms of damage unlike other earky hardmode summoner weapons.

cant think og any other

[bright crag]

Yeah, that's already good

[inner anvil]

You can also say that it's not similar to either it's upgrades or downgrades, it's also a fair reason.

[rough oxide]

hm alright

[small timber]

XXL world for the "mandatory" exo mechs arena

yes of course

[bright crag]

Specially considering the alarming lack of biome exploration content/worldbuilding

[small timber]

but ya, the only reason (aside from "exo mandatory arena" bullshit) is that calamity biome overlaps a lot, particularly the astral biome

it often clear out your hallow or a patch of corruption iirc, or are in the middle of two

(and if there are ever a "profaned" and "plague" biome then xxl world will be actually needed)

and a different personal bias is of course so that the abyss can be made gigantic

[frail mantle]

the astral just shouldn't appear in hardmode imo

would feel much more alien if it was already there on world creation with some custom worldgen to make it stick out

[small timber]

I thought it will be pretty cool if astral spawn on world creation and there is a draedon lab there, basically the first lab that point you to sunken sea
and basically before you defeat WoF all creatures there just lies dormant so you only encounter astral enemy at HM

but yeah

[cobalt pewter]

where tf is that gif again

tenor disappointed me

[swift wharf]

dormant astral biome...

[bright crag]

I do like the idea of it spawning in HM
But it really needs a better layout, theme and generation

I really would appreciate if the Astral Underground looked like warped tunnels with ore fragments, sub-biomes, and unique materials

Rn, Astral Underground has pretty much no materials

And it really hurts its relevancy

[serene tendon]

"Mandatory", huh?

Never made one

Just used my DoG arena (which was just a platform that stretched across the world)

[drowsy plank]

sad!

[small timber]

Exo Mechs in my opinion is undoubtedly the hardest boss in the game, the fight perfectly shows how a machine will fight: flawless predictions of your next move to counter what you did before you even act. It is a perfect simulation of how a human can never outsmart a machine, as they are always much more all considered and calculative, planning their move from every single possible action you can ever carry out, and repeat the best reaction with unmatched precision and efficiency until you reach your inevitable demise.

The only way you can beat them is by cheating the system through creating an environment that in all sense shouldn't had existed, therefore are not within the realm of possibility the machines had calculated. The World Arena is the perfect showcase of how we can beat a machine, by creating a scenario that they had never encountered before they will fail to predict our next moves. Only under these absurd scenarios can the human win as we are more adaptable to the unknown.

Fallgodding with slime mount in my opinion is the only way to beat Exo Mechs because they never encountered a scenario of having the player falling from space to the underworld. I cannot imagine how you can dodge them otherwise when all of their moves are always predictive and form lethal combination when used together, and mecha mayhem is truly the showcase of this, where you fight all 3 of them at once which all know your next move, you simply can't win under normal scenario.

This had been my best attempt at Exo Mechs yet, sadly to this day I couldn't had achieve anything greater than this. I will have to keep improving myself and hone my skill to hopefully one day surpass the machines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqz0owWH9hk

totally not a shitpost

[swift wharf]

fire writing gif

[frail mantle]

God

[unique vector]

GUH

[serene tendon]

Definitely an interesting assessment, but I think you're overstating it by quite a bit. Since they are machines, they themselves are extremely predictable. In fact, I found them so predictable that I was able to know what phase was about to happen next by the music. Simply flying up and down while moving in a single direction can let you dodge Aries, Artemis, and Apollo most of the time. The exceptions are Aries's tesla spheres, which can be avoided using RoD or using clever mobility tactics, and of course their berserk attacks, which I personally have not found to be much of an issue.

I still think DoG is a harder boss by far

[hybrid steeple]

eckso mecks

[serene tendon]

Also, are you doing some kind of challenge where you have to use Post-Polter weapons?

never mind I saw the comments

[kindred creek]

Do we know when the astral infection rework is coming?

[frosty trellis]

When? Soon ™️

[swift wharf]

is this part of the copypasta

[serene tendon]

What do you mean?

[frosty trellis]

What xpc posted is what he likes to call: "An Obligatory Shitpost"

[frosty trellis]

SCal is harder imo

Since the new gigablast spreads suck

Brothers are bs

And the gigablast spreads is just find smol opening instead of reactive

(Also the vid he linked in the post was his underworld lacerator exo mechs kill not a slime mount fallgod strat LOL)

[serene tendon]

I was saying "what" to Eclipse's message, which implied that Xpcqe had copied it from somewhere else and was asking if I had too. I didn't understand in the moment, hence my response

[serene tendon]

Oh, sorry

[frosty trellis]

It's cool

You're good

[serene tendon]

thanks

[serene tendon]

How new do you mean by new? I guess I wouldn't know if she got changed since the Wulfrum rework because the last time I got there in a playthrough was around then

[frosty trellis]

Her gigablast spreads became equidistant

Instead of just random

Same with the brothers

[serene tendon]

at what point was the change made?

[frosty trellis]

Brothers it can literally just make it so you cannot avoid getting hit and the new spreads not only just insentivise thick walls and wall piercing weapons even more but are just find smol hole instead of reactionary and can do some evil things in the bhs

Like a patch or two ago

It was a patch after the wulfrum rework i think

[serene tendon]

Ok, so I have not witnessed this change. Interesting, I have not found brothers to really be a big threat before.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah it's.... really annoying

[novel belfry]

okay, joking aside, what the heck is up with those exo mechs

[frosty trellis]

They aren't that bad of a fight

That's what

[novel belfry]

i referred to the video linked

seems its because he's using lacerator

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's the challenge

[small timber]

Artemis is super predictive so I minmaxed out my movement speed so that it always predict very large ahead of my movement, then I change direction every shot

Tldr this cause artemis to shoot backwards or go on drunk mode

[tardy smelt]

Under all ordinary circumstances I'd be inclined to agree but in my latest encounter with both DoG wrecked me harder

[bright crag]

DoG is more about an overlap of attacks
SCal has more directly threatening attacks, but she's a bit more organized and predictable

[tardy smelt]

DoG was the more fun fight by far, though

[bright crag]

It depends on your experience
I could see an experienced player have less trouble with SCal, since she's much more consistent

DoG is more chaotic (though you can still be very consistent at his fight)

[tardy smelt]

Nice way to put that I suck

(Which I wouldn't disagree with for the record)

[bright crag]

(False)

[tardy smelt]

(Grrrr)

[bright crag]

Your experience simply isn't comparable to the normal experience :p

You're just above it all

[tardy smelt]

Okay but that's because I'm a crackhead fish

I've evolved sideways

Then into the z-axis

[royal tapir]

Damn LGL is fighting DoG in Minecraft

[tardy smelt]

Then I hopped back in time and my skill started moving forward on one of the other tightly curled up 8 dimensions nobody talks about

Jokes aside

[tardy smelt]

Ehh

DoG may look chaotic from an outsiders perspective

But it's quite a structured fight in reality

You just need to know how to
A. Read him and
B. Deal with him

Dying 2000 times to the fella helps with accelerating the learning process

[bright crag]

SCal still has less overlap and less variables

[tardy smelt]

*involved at a time

[frosty trellis]

SCal herself sure, brother absolutely not

[tardy smelt]

And she definitely has some overlap

[tardy smelt]

[frosty trellis]

Also the new gigablast spreads creates a lot of overlap at times

[tardy smelt]

Never forget

-moons

-seekers

-sepulcher

[frosty trellis]

The moons less so than the gigablasts

Sepulcher can die

[tardy smelt]

-gigablasts, sometimes

[tardy smelt]

[tardy smelt]

They do it in a cool way

Overlapping fight elements aren't necessarily bad

I love the way DoG does it, overall :p

Aside from Cosmic Guardians

[frosty trellis]

I am far more consistent with DoG than SCal and I've fought both well over 300 times at this point
DoG overlap I don't really see other than the laser walls which I've gotten far more consistent with. Flying straight up/slime mount straight down while adjusting slightly makes that fairly consistent

[frosty trellis]

Cosmic Guardians are a minor annoyance

[frosty trellis]

So true!
SCal I hate to bits and the gigablast spread change made me hate her even more

[tardy smelt]

They're definitely not that big of a deal

[small timber]

Dog just does a shit ton more damage basically than both exo and scal on tier

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

Each time god slayer inferno get applied it is 150 damage

[tardy smelt]

They can just show up in some hilarious places at times "

[frosty trellis]

DoG's damage could be toned down a bit since you defensive options are.... Limited

[tardy smelt]

^^^

[frosty trellis]

Wtf that's 60 more than dragonfire

[small timber]

But ya under normal circumstanced (non jumpless) dog is like, ok difficulty

[tardy smelt]

Good suggestion material hahah

[tardy smelt]

Yeah me understand

[small timber]

As long as you keep running away the head cant hit you, and if the head cant hit you other attack dont really deal damage

[frosty trellis]

Head gets me more often as I play aggressive but the fireballs are the killer (as well as gsi)

[tardy smelt]

Knowing how to bait the head requires some know-how at worm baiting, though

[small timber]

Oh right 150 is in death not rev

[frosty trellis]

How much in rev?

[small timber]

But yeah, GSI hurts since your defensive accessory are much worse preDoG

[tardy smelt]

I bait him in such a way that he almost never directly faces me :p

[frosty trellis]

But regardless DoG's damage should definitely be toned down if we aren't going to be getting more defensive accessories

[tardy smelt]

He doesn't fire fireballs unless he's actually looking at you

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[small timber]

Laser is 45-60, head is 100+

[frosty trellis]

Or if you are close to his head

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

So if you get hit by head even 1 time you are ultra dead unless you have adre shield or healing potion

[frosty trellis]

And that head is like 7/10ths of your health without warding

Yeah

[tardy smelt]

I've had that not work a few times, but true

[frosty trellis]

Well, I mean I take about 7/10ths in my tester loadout but yeah

[frosty trellis]

Not close enough probably

[tardy smelt]

Makes it easier to ram through him

[small timber]

New AI is clunky since dog's head need to directly face you to work

[frosty trellis]

It's a very small window

[tardy smelt]

I'd guess so :p

[small timber]

And when it "twitches" and face the other way for 0.5 sec it count as longer distance and shoot a fireball once it twitch back, super annoying

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Just phase 2 random phase change for 1 second in general is weird and bad

The fact that DoG in rev can hit you right before he teleports after the laser walls in rev are so bad

I will forever and always say Death DoG is easier than Rev

Less bs and way better visibility since the dark sky background

[tardy smelt]

Oh huh

Interesting

Byeeep DoG is like

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[tardy smelt]

100x harder than when I last fought him

[frosty trellis]

I literally have to fight DoG at night regardless of class for visibility as the purple bg.... Isn't good

[tardy smelt]

Which was before 1.5

[frosty trellis]

Yeah 1.5 made him a lot harder from what I heard

He is a massive roadblock for newer players

[tardy smelt]

But it's also so much better now

[frosty trellis]

Better in death, bs on rev

[tardy smelt]

Heh

[tardy smelt]

Yeee

[tardy smelt]

*1.5.1

[frosty trellis]

Ah

I didn't start playing calamity until 1.5.1.6 so I'm not really familiar with a lot of older things

[tardy smelt]

Well look

DoG used to have those stupid wyvern-esque Cosmic Guardians back then

They were horrible

[frosty trellis]

That sounds horrific what the hell

[tardy smelt]

His death fireballs were nonexistent

Very often he'd go to ohio and back in the middle of the fight and take ages to charge once at you

[small timber]

Cosmic guardian is still pretty bad imo

Better than off screen assassin but not much better

[frosty trellis]

Not really from my experience

[tardy smelt]

Laser grids in phase 1 were pitiful and were not in Phase 2

[small timber]

Unless you have a way to clear them they are basically headhitbox extender

[frosty trellis]

They haven't ever been annoying for me like ever

[tardy smelt]

The only really threatening part of the fight for me was laser walls

Even those were easier than nowadays

[small timber]

It is year 2022 I am still trying to get laser wall telegraph suggestion through with 0 success

Soon™️

[tardy smelt]

[frosty trellis]

The laser walls just need a rework as the intended method to dodge them is just bad

[small timber]

And the legendary duke fishron phase 4 transition pause so that duke no longer do 5 (last time I do it 6 happened even) charges combo

[tardy smelt]

The current fight actually requires skill and understanding the fight

And I like that

[frosty trellis]

The problem

Is the laser walls intended way of dodging

Kills the entire momentum of the fight

Which is bad

[small timber]

Yeah

[tardy smelt]

Oh yeah that's a good point actually

[small timber]

A constant movement boss and suddenly you are supposed to completely stop

[tardy smelt]

I find them fun though hahah

[frosty trellis]

I just fly straight up through them as the intended way sucks and is even just far less consistent than just flying straight up or just tap flying left or right with angel Treds to help with Ms

[tardy smelt]

The timing window's pretty short too

[small timber]

If it starts in a more predictable way it is fine yeah

[tardy smelt]

You should've seen my strat for nohitting em

[frosty trellis]

I've heard so many people in #help-advice-read-pins complain about the damned laser walls

[small timber]

I practically have to adrenaline start of phase 2 and count 15 seconds just so I know when it starts

Which is like, not ideal

[frosty trellis]

Oh I have a way around that

[crude geode]

not to butt in on the convo but what spawned this irrelevant discussion

[tardy smelt]

Infernum's laser walls serve as a break between dashing though which I approve of 👍

[frosty trellis]

I just stay close to DoG so I can see him go transparent and depending on how I am moving I go left, right, up or down depending

[tardy smelt]

I never have dog super far offscreen

Due to how I move

[small timber]

It is not irrelevant, it will result in laser wall telegraph suggestion no.N

[tardy smelt]

[crude geode]

I thought it was more moving to rework dog moment

[small timber]

If it is allowed for suggestion sure, but it is not so

[frosty trellis]

No rework the laser walls and nerf dogs damage a bit

[bright crag]

Of course

[bright crag]

The DoG overlap I mention is
Cosmic Guardians + fireballs + body lasers + tp explosions, and so on

I do think it is a good fight
If I were to change anything, I'd remove body lasers from p2, rework laser walls, and make him a bit more... dash-centered

Like Infernum DoG, but easier

He kinda lacks the "Devourer" aspect

[frosty trellis]

Guardians I've never seen much issue with
Combined with the body lasers can be annoying but it's not much of an issue from my experience
Fireballs are just annoying in general and are really annoying to see in Rev
The tp explosions are like... Not really overlap? Just cool but inconsiquential

[frosty trellis]

No

That would just make Statis's Ninja Belt even less viable than it already is

[bright crag]

The tp explosions are usually ok, but the one in the start of the final part is quite risky

With the Guardians spawning in

[frosty trellis]

Me just just bobbit launches the hell away from that
Not rly

[bright crag]

An DoG tping relatively close

It is usually more dangerous from my perspective :p

[frosty trellis]

Shrugs not for me a least

Might be weightless candle helping but I digress

[bright crag]

But the biggest offender for me is body lasers in p2
They're quite frustrating, because while you dodge the DoG head and the fireballs, you have to deal with lasers at inconvenient angles

In p1 it's ok because there are no fireballs, and you can move around more freely

[frosty trellis]

The body lasers I honestly don't really have much issues with like... Ever. Unless I'm doing circle strats with DoG which basically means I'm True Melee, using Galileo Gladius (Plz buff again) or using Nuclear Fury

The laser walls are the worst but I've been able to get around thankfully

The body lasers for phase 2 might not really be an issue for me just because of how I fight DoG

[bright crag]

Laser walls are like
Really ech

But I've found that you can run through them and I've been extremely consistent ever since

And it's also much more fun than the regular way of dodging

[frosty trellis]

I can run through them with Angel Treds on or the approach I prefer: Fly straight up

As flying straight up can allow you to punish the ever living shit outta DoG

[bright crag]

The way I fight DoG is by baiting the fireballs (walking further from him in a platform above) and ramming his face when he reaches me
So since his middle part is usually above me, I get some really frustrating body laser patterns

Which are very disrupting

[frosty trellis]

Ic

I should probably take a video for how I fight DoG (at least in my testing world) to give a better idea as I don't really know how to explain it

[bright crag]

You can look up my Malice nohit in Nohitcord if you want a good representation
It's my most recent video on it

[frosty trellis]

Fair. Can look that up after I record myself fighting dog if you're interested to see how I fight him

The only question is what weapon should I use for the best demonstration....

[bright crag]

Up to you, really :p

[bright crag]

Eidolon Staff

Use Venusian Trident, it's quite decent

And it does a better job at the bulky segments than, say, Vitriolic Viper

[frosty trellis]

I've done enough Eidolon Staff kills. I'm good

Sure.

I was trying to avoid viper bc it's overtuned

[bright crag]

I'm aware

Though, I would expect OD loot to be under killtime...?
Being an optional boss, for better gear

[frosty trellis]

Why do I not have cadance potions in my OD/DoG mage chest I mean fair but I was getting pretty consistent 2:5x or below kts with viper

15-20-30 seconds fair but over a minute is excessive

Can I stop getting hit for stupid reasons

[frosty trellis]

https://youtu.be/FAwm0EDVGeM

Not my best showing but I'm a little rusty since I haven't fought DoG in a bit

[small timber]

@errant bobcat they will not be moving zenith

I know because I asked the samething already, and got a clear answer that it stays post-Yharon

it can definitely be move to post-DoG so you can use it on yharon with 0 changes, and it will unironically be not super good because yharon is not a fight designed around weapons that cannot hit off screen, so people will complain about it even more

at the very least currently zenith is definitely usable on scal and exo (although abit hard to use on scal)

oh right zenith is disallowed from suggestion onw

[hollow shell]

mm indeed indeed

Also weird that the reasoning pertains to its viability
but they asked for a tier-shift, not a buff

[marble moat]

re-implement zenith buff with multiple monitors

make it pay to win and extend across the entire exo mech arena

[blazing kettle]

how many times has the everglade spray rework been posted

[crude geode]

once?

at least one time it made it into voting

[blazing kettle]

weird

i swear i see it all the time

[hollow shell]

byeah there's only one suggestion that mentions Everglade Spray getting a functional rework, this one that was just made

We got a sugg a few days ago for a visual refurbish, but nothing about its function

[blazing kettle]

ah

[novel belfry]

the fact that Auric Ore slime has to be disallowed is... interesting

[crude geode]

auric ore slime

[novel belfry]

thanks

[hollow shell]

Yes we got many many suggs for Auric Ore slime

[lucid flare]

yea you could just put chlorophyte or something in da autohammer

(this is not a suggestion im just rambling)

[crude geode]

understandable

I had a thought about saying lizhard furnace instead but I forget if jungle temple is locked to post plant or not

[frail mantle]

Technically isn’t

Actually no it just isn’t

[hot zephyr]

you can crafty the key

[lucid flare]

well the autohammer thing gives it a purpose outside of making shroom mite

[frail mantle]

That yes

And you can hoik in but eh

[crude geode]

figured

I just got confused cuz of the change regarding no rod into the temple

which feels a bit silly if you can just. craft the key.

[hot zephyr]

key crafting is calamity

rod changes is vanilla

[crude geode]

weird, thought I remembered cal doing that

makes more sense then

[hot zephyr]

idk it's four in the morning

[crude geode]

understandable

lizhard furnace really do be a good example of vanilla just putting a crafting station in for half of the furniture sets for no good reason

[lucid flare]

well given how calamity mod likes its non-linear gameplay i don't think they would prevent you from rod-ing in

[hot zephyr]

it's to avoid clogging up generic benches

[lucid flare]

yea

calamity has like 15 furniture sets and 10 of them have their own crafting stations

[crude geode]

I guess I never thought of it that way

Just cuz it feels a bit silly and roundabout

[hot zephyr]

no it's not

imagine if you had some glass ice and gel in your inventory and instantly your crafting screen is filled entirely with glass and ice furniture

[crude geode]

Couldn’t you just make one dedicated thing for crafting furniture? Like the largely underutilized sawmill

I can understand the glass one though

Considering the amount of furniture that uses glass

[hot zephyr]

it's a sorting mechanic

you don't want to bury furniture with other furniture either

[swift wharf]

and gel furniture

[crude geode]

I feel like I should know but why not

[cobalt pewter]

it gets confusing

fast

considering the primary way to actually see tooltips in crafting and guide pages is to use the single line view (the expanded page would only redirect you to the item in the single line view)

(as mandatory recipe browser is, it's never the official way to treat the vanilla game)

the reason themed furnitures have their own crafting station is to separate the filler, furniture recipes from the actually important recipes you get from the basic crafting stations

that system is fine in the context of Terraria, and it's one of the less offensive thing I can think of when I think of Terraria design

because it's definitely a decent solution that doesn't go straight into adding / changing UI elements

but TL;DR those specific crafting stations aren't bloat unless you want to consider most furnitures to be bloat as well

[swift wharf]

The crafting stations themselves are also furniture

[burnt wolf]

Me when magic storage

[surreal tangle]

Make boss rush sup cal bg less hurt to see

[small timber]

chances are it is shader bugs, so it goes under bug report

[sullen swan]

it’s still possible to see

calclone shader in br literally just blinds you

[errant bobcat]

Ah oops

[errant cloud]

Living shards are also not as pointless as you think, because they represent the idea of adding bio-life energy to a series of weapons that entirely revolve around bio-life energy and biology in general (something something earth magic memes)

It's almost like living shards were purpose-designed! Wow!!

(/s)

[swift wharf]

ectoplasm

[errant cloud]

Ecto is uh...something else 🥴

[hollow shell]

People can fuck up in the core design and successfully implement a bad idea, it can happen

[errant cloud]

Ofc, but I don't think this one is a case example

Tbh

If you really wanted an alternate design concept you could change shards into crystals and craft said crystals with (like being said) the autohammer, but it feels like you're ripping an old era concept right out of the mod when there's not enough change to justify doing it

[hollow shell]

Terra Blade gets its life energy theme from the fact that it combines light and dark, Excal and Nights Edge,
to form something that embodies nature/Terraria overall
It does not have anything directly planty or biological in its recipe

aside from the flecks of moss on the Broken Hero Sword I guess

[errant cloud]

Actually I'll rescind my position here but that's more red's fault and not any of the devs here

Question is, what would be a good change? I'm strictly against outright removal, but I'm partial to maybe reworking which items shards are used for and giving shards a crafting recipe instead

I'd have loved to use tenebris but heh

[frail mantle]

also i mean it's green but i still wouldn't really say terra blade is plant themed

[errant cloud]

.> so planty mush it is

[drowsy plank]

living shards deserve to go to double hell

[swift wharf]

terra means earth

[frail mantle]

replace the living shards with dirt

ez

[swift wharf]

based

[small timber]

Living shard currently just exist to do what ectoplasm is doing, and thats it

[swift wharf]

cores:

[errant cloud]

Brb

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

fr you really could just use cores of calamity instead of living shards couldn't you

[frail mantle]

you could

[drowsy plank]

it's the same sort of "embodiment of terraria" idea too

[swift wharf]

embodiment of calamity..

[small timber]

If you want a living shard replacement for the "give weapon life energy" part, you can use this instead

[swift wharf]

YOOOO

SPORE SAC USE

[small timber]

Look at that overwhelming life energy

[frail mantle]

damn she wasn't lying

that spore can be alive

[drowsy plank]

yo is that Spore (2008) for PC??

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

fr tho the only recipe living shard serves any purpose in is like

terra flameburster

and the terra ammos i guess

[frail mantle]

crystal chlorophyte bullets/arrows

[swift wharf]

omw to suggest to remove terra flameburster in unknown amount of time

[drowsy plank]

fr tho terra could be replaced by eld melter so easily

it's only purpose is like. being used in ele eruption anyway like it isn't even an actual terra weapon

[swift wharf]

elemental weapon recipes

I dream of a world where elemental weapons only used one weapon each

ele shiv and aote already do that so like

Unfortunately I cannot suggest that because all my reasoning is "it makes my brain feel nice"

[drowsy plank]

elemental weapon components when they find out they need to actually do something in order to deserve to exist and not just be a component for an endgame weapon

fr has anyone ever used haunted scroll for anything other than crafting elemental axes

[swift wharf]

it gets worse

aote uses cores of calamity and life alloys

axe uses life alloys

and so does disk

and flowers

but not the others

[distant gyro]

cry

[drowsy plank]

here's a good question

[swift wharf]

consistency department in shambles

[drowsy plank]

does ultra liquidator count as an elemental weapon