that technically would have a difference, but neither pickaxe can break them anyway
#suggestions-discussion
distant gyro
the most powerful block a pickaxe with 59% can mine is a Gravestone, which has 300% hitpoint
300/59 barely takes 6 hits, but it's still 6 hits
300/55 also takes 6 hits, there is no difference
swift wharf
assuming that you break the gravestone and not just the block below it
small timber
I always felt it is weird that molten pickaxe is slower than nightbringer, eventhough it breaks stone in 1 hit
It just feels really awkward when you are mining things that are not stone
hollow shell
(I'd need to check the most recent vanilla source to confirm that it actually does hitpoint math
Because I know for a fact that it was just brute-force hard-code pretending to do that math before)
(literally defining the number of hits a set of blocks takes with each tier of pickaxe power)
distant gyro
if it does that then I think tMod might've fixed it
swift wharf
I always felt it is weird that molten pickaxe is slower than nightbringer, event...
i'm pretty sure that nightmare pick has a higher speed
small timber
Oh right nightmare not nightbringer
distant gyro
because defining hit count would definitely not work with modded blocks that have custom values like Abyss Gravel or Voidstone
small timber
Ya nightmare have a higher speed (which is what I was talking about there) than molten
distant gyro
and those definitely take forever to break from experience
swift wharf
when 3 use time is enough to be faster than 1 tap blocks
hollow shell
Nightmare has faster toolspeed, Molten has higher pickaxe power, yeah
It's one of the few examples of interesting pickaxe balance design in vanilla 
distant gyro
rare instance of pickaxe minmaxing
drowsy plank
according to the vanilla wiki deathbringer mines faster than nightmare still...
distant gyro
(no one will care enough to optimize)
small timber
Meanwhile I think vanilla reaver shark is molten speed with gold pickaxe power which makes it downgrade for both
swift wharf
according to the vanilla wiki deathbringer mines faster than nightmare still...
what the fuck
hollow shell
if it does that then I think tMod might've fixed it
I know tMod actually has pickaxe power as a real stat
I'm not 100% on what the stats look like on the tiles side, and how that interacts with pickaxe power
drowsy plank
what the fuck
i love vanilla balancing!!!
hollow shell
Another thing to look into
swift wharf
no like
distant gyro
Deathbringer is a clear cut upgrade
distant gyro
Crimson supermery
drowsy plank
no fucking clue
distant gyro
use time does not matter
small timber
Crimson stuffs are always slightly better than corruption yeah
drowsy plank
swift wharf
guh??
distant gyro
that's just how fast you swing
small timber
Except like musket
distant gyro
that affects DPS
drowsy plank
how is it faster????
"Mining speed (also known as tool speed) is an invisible statistic"
swift wharf
what the devils
distant gyro
the number below is the one that matters for mining
drowsy plank
there's your answer
distant gyro
'tool speed'
swift wharf
OHHHHHHH
distant gyro
14 is superior to 15
distant gyro
and 70 is superior to 65
drowsy plank
what the fuck reaver is so fucking bad
swift wharf
ok you forgot one small detail that makes deathbringer actually worse
swift wharf
deathbringer pick is fucking ugly
frosty trellis
I always felt it is weird that molten pickaxe is slower than nightbringer, event...
LITERALLY THOUGH
I legit just don't even make a molten pick anymore. I just wait until statigel so I can make a gel pick so I keep the extra mining speed
swift wharf
nightmare clearly has a superior design
small timber
Raver when the only thing memorable about it is the armor
distant gyro
it has the same mining speed as iron
Iron doesn't cross the 50% barrier
small timber
Even the wings just feel sad now after the nerfs
distant gyro
so it takes an extra hit to break basically everything
Iron takes 2 hits to break dirt, Reaver takes 1
3/2 for stone, 5/4 for evil stone, etc
drowsy plank
wait wtf. the fast preHM pick is. silver. why (ignoring bone)
distant gyro
same there for silver
small timber
Toolspeed moment where random values are assigned as long as they are not breaking things they shouldnt
swift wharf
tungsten is slower guh
distant gyro
You'd take 22 frames removing dirt using Silver and 13 using Reaver
swift wharf
vanilla pick balance is something else
drowsy plank
i hate this so much 
distant gyro
33 Silver/26 Reaver for stone, 55 Silver/52 Reaver for evil stone
small timber
I mean vanilla is also the one added the whole dungeon/shadow chest thing
(iI am still curious why decide to tier it that way)
swift wharf
what dungeon chest thing
drowsy plank
i think they mean how you can get shadow key from the dungeon which immediately invalidates all ur dungeon drops
drowsy plank
i love how the vanilla axes go from around 20 for all the preHM axes to 8 mining speed as soon as you get cobalt
distant gyro
also we never made the comparison for the thing at hand did we
drowsy plank
no
hollow shell
alt ores are always faster than the regular ones EXCEPT for tungsten
Tungsten crosses a pickaxe power threshold in comparison to Silver
swift wharf
oh I see
drowsy plank
Obliterator: 50% power 6 speed
Plat: 59% power 9 speed
plat has tool speed 15 according to the wiki at least, which would make obliterator even better (comparable to hardmode tools), but i think the real hang up is the 5% pick power that lets you mine crimtane and demonite ore, at least for the sugg
distant gyro
with zero mining speed boosts, Obliterator is 50% better
- break rate of dirt is 10/s for Obliterator, 6.67/s for Any Gold
- break rate of stone is 5/s for Obliterator, 3.33/s for Any Gold
- break rate of evil stone is 2.5/s for Obliterator, 1.67/s for Any Gold
distant gyro
plat has tool speed 15 according to the wiki at least, which would make oblitera...
that's not accounting for https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Vanilla_changes/Tool_balance
distant gyro
both pickaxes are downed to 9
drowsy plank
good changes
swift wharf
Huh
hollow shell
oh.
swift wharf
drowsy plank
tbh im fine with them just becoming skins of each other
distant gyro
I'm also fine with it since it's entirely up to chance
drowsy plank
aint exactly like we got anything out of silver pickaxe being a little bit shitter than tungsten for no real reason
distant gyro
unlike, say, the choice of world evil
distant gyro
which I'm less sure about on the illusion of choice
hollow shell
I am sad because it hurts playthrough variety a bit
swift wharf
the only difference in world evils rn is world gen
small timber
The funny space planetoid when it is the best source of lifecrystal instead of underground
drowsy plank
like i said im
not really sure what you get out of tungsten being able to mine meteorite and silver not being able to besides feeling a bit cheated by the game lmao
distant gyro
You'd think so but the fact that most people didn't even know how pickaxe power works around here puts that into perspective
drowsy plank
like if you just look at how people used to look at the hardmode ores, no one was glad to get the "worse" one
distant gyro
at that point I'd rather have consistency than the most insanely marginal changes which will only ever require the wiki (and doing math on your own!) to fully grasp
drowsy plank
very true
drowsy plank
hits you with a large rock
swift wharf
🥹
drowsy plank
could you imagine if picks worked like they did in hardmode
swift wharf
minecraft
hollow shell
like if you just look at how people used to look at the hardmode ores, no one wa...
Well that was mainly cuz the worse one was not just weaker but also more boring
The armors having no set bonuses beyond stats
hollow shell
What needs changing
swift wharf
as in buff/nerf or?
distant gyro
answer is no
small timber
It just feels like a massive downgrade both set effect and stat wise, unless you are using a specific setup to abuse it (eg iframe tank)
drowsy plank
Well that was mainly cuz the worse one was not just weaker but also more *boring...
that's true, but for pickaxes, it's the same thing because it's just stats. i think silver/tungsten as they are now is much cooler because the variety is where it matters; the armor set bonuses
small timber
Adamantite is just overall better in most aspect, and for.pure dps mythril outclass it anyway
drowsy plank
lol
small timber
Yeah mythril need to be tuned down
swift wharf
a suggestion for reworking shroomite got denied sooo
small timber
Then I think titanium need to at least have stat similar to adamantite's base stat (without set bonus)
drowsy plank
a suggestion for reworking shroomite got denied sooo
and i cry every day because of it
swift wharf
small timber
swift wharf
yes
small timber
Ok I still have it
swift wharf
free 10% damage GONE
small timber
Titanium just have less stats for some reason (not sure for other classes)
drowsy plank
wow this is so sad can we kill post-Plant armor sets
drowsy plank
what if the number of shards around you gave some kind of stat boost
since the chances of you actually using the shards in any meaningful capacity except exactly fetid baghgangkghns cheese is slim
or you could press set bonus to fire them off so they weren't awful short range garbage
small timber
It just feels like a massive downgrade both set effect and stat wise, unless you...
Yeah which is what I feel like is most of the case
Even true melee weapon cant use it properly with how large broadsword can gets with things like powerglove
swift wharf
or you could press set bonus to fire them off so they weren't awful short range ...
boomerang type shards
zeni
small timber
Make titanium shard act like myhril flare (home in to attack) and change mythril to something else
drowsy plank
lmfao
small timber
Make shroomite set bonus activated by pressing S twice, and moving dont break stealth but have reduced movement speed
There shroomite fixed
swift wharf
sounds very original
ok but what if vortex made ranged projectiles split into homing life energy and leaves on death
drowsy plank
swift wharf
and then auric can get an actual setbonus !!
distant gyro
impossible
small timber
Auric set bonus will summon an auric energy orb that chase the enemy that deals 15 damage and has 30 armor penetration, and do not scale in damage from bonuses outside of banners
But ya regardless, the auric set bonus (healing orb) is unironically very powerful so removing it completely will be a big nerf, unless another similar effect is substituted to it
drowsy plank
who would win;
an entire set of armor OR one shackle-y boi
hollow shell
I mean
You can get wooden armor pretty much instantly
It makes sense that it is very weak
drowsy plank
that's fair, but i think some of the biome woods could at least be a little bit stronger
small timber
All wood armor should give like increased wood and acorn drop from chopping wood or something
undone cedar
I think the thing about wood armor and ore armor is like
drowsy plank
I agree, please buff titan heart armor to ML viable
i didnt mean pearlwood armor needed to be buffed either, plus "buffing" it to preHM ore armor stats would be a nerf lmao
small timber
(oh wait I didnt see you actually suggested wood armor buff)
drowsy plank
All wood armor should give like increased wood and acorn drop from chopping wood...
that would be actually cool
lmao i did
small timber
Though yeah the idea can still work
undone cedar
It’s just vanilla weirdness, and calamity bringing more attention to them is pointless
small timber
I just think it is easiest to compare wood armor to cactus armor: cactus have an effect that is actually useful early on but wood give you 5 defense
hollow shell
i didnt mean pearlwood armor needed to be buffed either, plus "buffing" it to pr...
(I think you missed the sarcastic point of his message)
drowsy plank
no i mean i got it, i just disagree
it's the sort of "not everything has to be viable" point but
hollow shell
vanilla wood armor values btw
small timber
The ark suggestion was explicitly denied by iban himself right? Something about information overload for having 20 weapon combining into 1
swift wharf
Yes
hollow shell
(ash wood ignore cuz 1.4.4)
drowsy plank
i mean vanilla buffed even snow armor so i think it's worth considering
swift wharf
Do not make ark more complex
hollow shell
All wood armor should give like increased wood and acorn drop from chopping wood...
This is a better solution than giving it more defense imo
A utility effect
drowsy plank
i will probably change it to that tbh!!
swift wharf
make them op for the biome they're in
small timber
I just think it made the most sense since surprisingly I keep running out of wood frequently
swift wharf
(yes we need 3 desert armors 
)
drowsy plank
mahogany wood armor: +100 defense in jungle
small timber
Even with acorn replanting the trees are always small tree which gives very little wood (yes I did space them out properly)
swift wharf
I think a small bonus for each one of them would still be neat
like how cactus got thorns
versed cape
it's the sort of "not everything has to be viable" point but
as a nohitter, my opinions on such things are worthless
small timber
The idea mainly comes from mining armor yeah: an armor that requires underground exploration that helps with underground resource gathering
Therefore wood can be wood/surface armor that help with wood gathering
versed cape
everything is viable
thats my view and its problematic to a lot of people
swift wharf
no the problem is that people think viable = good
small timber
Everything dont have to be instantaneously viable for them to be good
In a natural progression of game you get wood armor within the first 2 minutes, to get a full set of gold/plat armor (assuming no planetoid) it is hours into the playthrough especially for player new to the mod
swift wharf
"is wooden bow viable for AS?" yes
"is wooden bow good for AS?" no
byeah utility buffs are epic
drowsy plank
gonna rewrite this one i get on my laptop
thinking of mentioning things like herb harvesting too
letting palm wood/evil wood armors let you harvest waterleaf/deathweed out of season would be such a nice change i hate those two
deadass almost wish we could go back to pouring buckets of water on them working
drowsy plank
there
hollow shell
Looks good
frosty trellis
I like this wooden armor sugg
half sage
yea it's pretty based
making them combat focused is a lost cause so making them farming focused is pretty neat
short walrus
Very good wood armour sugg
grim tusk
@serene tendon :clueless:
crude geode
What
grim tusk
Terra edge is put into the recycler and the scrap is used to rework Terratomere
crude geode
Fun
Also isn’t the solution to these weapons to just
Use a different sword if you don’t like how they look
serene tendon
Use a different sword if you don’t like how they look
That's not a sufficient reason not to use a weapon, it's just a little annoyance I have with them.
However I've heard that the little things are best for suggs
serene tendon
Terra edge is put into the recycler and the scrap is used to rework Terratomere
What about Bloody Edge?
grim tusk
🗑️
fossil finch
one is being removed and the other reworked so this sugg doesn't really need to exist eitherway
serene tendon
one is being removed and the other reworked so this sugg doesn't really need to ...
It popped into my mind that the rework might do so but wasn't sure
serene tendon
🗑️
Honestly it feels like a shame to scrap them, they could have been an alternative for players who complained about Terra Blade being "nerfed" by the rework. For all those sharpshooters who somehow hit every shot.
fossil finch
they sucked anyway so who cares
grim tusk
Terrablade wasnt nerfed in the slightlest
Yea sure its base dmg got lowered slightly but the firerate scales with melee speed which was so busted it got nerfed a bit recently
crude geode
Don’t believe gungnir or YouTubers in general
serene tendon
Terrablade wasnt nerfed in the slightlest
I know, but there are people who complained about it and it'd make everyone happy to give them an alternative
crude geode
Making everyone happy is overrated
grim tusk
serene tendon
Don’t believe gungnir or YouTubers in general
I didn't say it was worse, I definitely think it's better by a significant margin
serene tendon
Making everyone happy is overrated
It'd be no extra work to leave it in
hollow shell
Continued balancing and sprite maintenance.
crude geode
^
Also allows more effort to be put into cooler stuff, reason for the great removal a while ago
serene tendon
Continued balancing and sprite maintenance.
You could leave the sprite as is to be fair
Being a Terra Blade alternative it needs only be the same quality level
hollow shell
Except that won't stop people from trying to resprite it in the Art server
And what if we wanna redo the Terra visuals at some point
serene tendon
Except that won't stop people from trying to resprite it in the Art server
And w...
1.4.4 Terra Blade visuals are stunning already
serene tendon
All the more reason to redo our own
Fair
hollow shell
Byeah the point is, leaving a weapon in isn't "no effort"
Every weapon comes with a cost of continued maintenance with time
Sometimes removal is a net relief on our workload
If not oftentimes.
serene tendon
Byeah the point is, leaving a weapon in isn't "no effort"
Every weapon comes wit...
I was thinking it'd just remain the same and be kept as a relic of the past or something
But that might not be feasible
crude geode
There’s always old versions if you really want to experience terra edge
Or even something like the removed shivs
hollow shell
There's not much value in preserving a Terra Blade clone
serene tendon
There's not much value in preserving a Terra Blade clone
I just really liked there being a terra alternative for the Blood Butcherer. It didn't need to be very different
crude geode
Didn’t storm mention bloody edge is also being removed
hollow shell
I personally had a redesign idea for making Terra Edge more clearly the Crimson alt
Lore-based
But, team decided to just nuke it and I can't be upset
Melee broadsword after all
crude geode
truly
short walrus
Didn’t storm mention bloody edge is also being removed
True bloody edge
Untrue is safe for now
hollow shell
?
short walrus
Huh, didn't see that bit
hollow shell
It does not make sense to have Bloody Edge upgrade into True Night's Edge
short walrus
I never said it would do that.
hollow shell
Was the implication that Bloody Edge would be a dead end craft then?
short walrus
Idk
crude geode
Anyways what’s the plan for bloody edge then since terra edge is being removed
Is it also being removed
hollow shell
Inconclusive.
There was a vote in the dev server regarding Terra Edge, and the conclusion of that was to remove it, pretty overwhelmingly.
Bloody Edge has not been voted on, nor was it mentioned in the Terra Edge vote.
crude geode
Wacky
also I feel like I’m the only one who isn’t the biggest fan of the wood armor into farming armor sugg
hollow shell
I guess it could be weird to have the quintessential beginner armor serve a specific purpose like that
But overall I don't mind
crude geode
I feel like it disregards the fact that wood armor are the first armors you’re meant to get
hollow shell
I would like to introduce more farming encouragement because then maybe we could remove NPC potion selling
crude geode
True
I just feel like people undervalue it and overvalue the other armor sets which take a lot more time and effort to get
Palm wood and pearl wood being the ones I can understand since those are either hard or impossible to get pre-boss
short walrus
Kid named oasis:
crude geode
Oh right I totally forgot lol
So yeah
All the wood armors are relatively easy to get, meaning they should be your armors before you get anything else done
short walrus
Ash and ebonwood I wouldn't class as relatively easy to get imo
crude geode
Ash is irrelevant in this discussion considering we’re not in 1.4.4
short walrus
It's still wood, it's still relatively weak, and it's still in hell
crude geode
the sugg feels a bit too generalized. Ash and Pearlwood becoming farming armor would be nice but generalizing all of the wood armor as useless feels like it disregards their use at the start of the game
drowsy plank
I feel like it disregards the fact that wood armor *are* the first armors you’re...
calling them armors is being pretty generous, my original suggestion was just to buff the defensive values because they legitimately might as well not exist. like i said in my first paragraph, they're practically vanity considering their entire set bonus is outclassed by a single warding shackle. and sure that requires a high roll on the modifier but at that point you could just get copper armor??
or tin
cobalt pewter
to be fair they are useless
compared to cactus at the very least
cobalt pewter
cactus is the equivalent of wood armors and it has a thorns effect at least
ash wood armor in 1.4.4 honestly sets a good precedent for good wood armors
ash wood is awesome in general tbh
drowsy plank
this is true, but i feel like asking cal to make wood armor do something semi significant (mostly jungle or evil biomes id say) felt like a bit of a tall order
so i went with this and it feels a lot more reasonable
plus we do be needing farming items fr
crude geode
Asking for more of the wood armors when you can get them on spawn feels. weird
Warding shackle do be funny
cobalt pewter
you can get cactus just by walking
drowsy plank
i realize, but they're still armors, and snow ruffian used to not even require flinx fur so idk
cobalt pewter
snow ruffian huh
drowsy plank
like sure you can get them on spawn, but how much harder is it to get the objectively superior. copper. or the cal class armors. or snow armor which will have 9 defense in 1.4.4 which is over twice as much as the woods
cobalt pewter
1.4.4 might make it a teensy bit less painful to make because flinx actually spawns reasonably
drowsy plank
yeah, i was mostly talking about old ruffian which was a bit ridiculous, but it will be nice to reasonably access it again lol
crude geode
Snow armor is relatively harder to get considering you have to kill zombies for it
and be somewhat lucky
swift wharf
There was a vote in the dev server regarding Terra Edge, and the conclusion of t...
kill blood edge because carnage exists 
crude geode
The wood armors are something you’re meant to get before the first night
granted it’s harder to get some of them (rich mahogany on large worlds 
)
drowsy plank
exactly
ur telling me getting like, idk, shadewood or ebonwood armor is easier than just scraping together the bars for copper or tin which are objectively better in like 4 different ways
cobalt pewter
utility or exploration stuff for wood armors would be nice
drowsy plank
it's nothing crazy, and it's actually reasonable since it isn't like asking for them to be combat viable, which was my original suggestion
it gives them something beyond looking nice sometimes
cobalt pewter
like reduced fall damage (not complete immunity) or something about those evil and jungle thorns
drowsy plank
mahogany having immunity to poison on set bonus could be nice
swift wharf
palm wood fishing armor..
cobalt pewter
wtf........
crude geode
ur telling me getting like, idk, shadewood or ebonwood armor is easier than just...
People overestimate how hard it is to get the wood armors
esp, since palm wood is now just in desert oasis
The only one is rich mahogany bc medium worlds
swift wharf
what's up with rich mahogany
crude geode
However speed increase from cal helps
drowsy plank
what's up with rich mahogany
jungle be like
swift wharf
jungle is too far or
drowsy plank
yeah that and jungle mobs
if ur considering playing in like, rev or master and ur still on like. wood armor tier
drowsy plank
People overestimate how hard it is to get the wood armors
that's why i mentioned shade/ebon specifically, cause yeah palm and boreal aren't that hard (this is why snow ruffian had flinx fur added), but the effort to get shade or ebon is about the same as the T0 preHM ores, which are a mile better
crude geode
It honestly just takes a bit of luck in not having a crimson/corrupt desert as your first evil biome
and a willingness to die\recall once
drowsy plank
which is like. again, the same amount of effort as finding like, a mildly large copper vein. they're both incredibly easy but one is objectively way better to the point the other has no purpose existing
so all im saying it give wood something, this isn't even a good something, this is like. when we gave bloody machete increased damage or something
it's miniscule but it would do so much for the items to actually have an identity beyond being a noob trap
crude geode
I don’t think either of us is gonna convince the other
Again, I feel like wood is an over generalization considering you don’t even have to move to get the original wood armor most of the time
drowsy plank
we give the player like 8 weapons and like 12 potions for existing
i dont think it's crazy to let the armor they're practically handed do something too
like squirrel squire got turned into a sentry cause it sucked so hard
just because wood is handed to you doesn't mean it needs to be useless
one time back when starter bags still had slime crowns in them in multiplayer, we just spawned king slime off the bat and pelted him to death with the throwing bricks and it worked
so idk
blazing kettle
i mean are you losing anything at all from doing this?
radiant meadow
-higher chances of rare drops from shaking trees, like fruits or coins
(this would be obnoxious to implement currently btw)
you'd need to IL edit like every chance in the function
(besides the Calamity trees of course)
cobalt pewter
incredible
I think just following what ash wood armor does is fine (like reducing damage related to environment)
for the wood armors
not big enough to last too long but good enough to be looked forward to early on
undone cedar
I will say again that i think editing wood armors is pointless
It would be going out of one’s way to awkwardly implement a weird and rather pointless bandage fix to a meaningless problem
And i doubt that anyone will still have much interest in the wood armors anyways
glass arch
i do think wood armors need to be buffed, because you still use em until you get the ore armors and equivalent armors which can take a little while if you are unlucky
swift wharf
I will say again that i think editing wood armors is pointless
It would be going...
people only started using the prehm ore sets that aren't silver+ because of the reworks
undone cedar
Do people need to use them?
I believe this is forcing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist
Yes, vanilla is weird and often badly designed, and calamity’s odd “solutions” don’t particularly change this, especially in cases where the problem is entirely ignorable
swift wharf
hmm that is actually fair
undone cedar
In my experience i am far more interested in using armors that calamity adds, especially when its stuff like wulfrum
small timber
imo it is not a matter of "we buffed/reworked this armor now and you WILL use it", people obviously will not gonna use wood armor (even if buffed) when preHM ore armors and other calamity armor exist
however wood armor is more of a "transitionary option" before you get to have these armors, which is why I think buffing them in ways that are not combat related is fine
but ya I do feel the suggestion's buff is a bit too excessive/complicated, it is entirely overkill
even if you want to buff preferably just a simpler effect is better, rather than (a bunch of them) looks like coding nightmare
like the herbs one or placing 'natural world gen tree' one
undone cedar
An unnecessary transitionary armor does not need to be buffed imo
It will be quickly used and quickly discarded
glass arch
and this is to make people think twice about trashing it, so it is actually useful
small timber
the point of transitionary armor is tend to make it so before you get to the proper armor your game dont feel like shit; currently wood armor just feels like shit
it doesn't have to be buffed "massively", just ya, the suggestion feels a bit excessive in terms of what it buffs
drowsy plank
even if you want to buff preferably just a simpler effect is better, rather than...
they were more ideas than explicit standards, bc there isn't a ton of farming effects you can really do, and i didn't expect all of them to be added, i just think that including options might get people thinking on more "hey this actually isn't the worst idea because farming could use something like this"
small timber
they were more ideas than explicit standards, bc there isn't a ton of farming ef...
the problem is all of the ideas in itself will kinda impose a standard of your expectation
eg: even if you say "for example an idea will be making elemental quiver buff point blank shot in place of projectile split removal" the expectation will be that you want something related to point blank shot, even if it don't have to be the exact iteration of the idea
if every idea in the suggestion are that complicated then the expectation will of course automatically be upped to that scale
small timber
> -higher chances of rare drops from shaking trees, like fruits or coins
(this w...
yeah probably ^ (though I am not sure how difficult are the other ideas in terms of coding)
small timber
axe of regrowth is a 1.4.4 edition so there is a chance it has some bullshit code making it near impossible before 1.4.4 added them
(you never know after the lava slime incident)
drowsy plank
that would be really weird considering everything except replanting trees is already done by staff lol
blazing kettle
what was the lava slime incident?
short walrus
il editing gone wrong
small timber
by removing the ability for expert mode lava slime to drop lava, it caused:
which is why the current lava slime do drop lava
short walrus
hundreds dead, millions injured
cobalt pewter
fortunately, remix seed can do it, so maybe they could find a new workaround once tmod is in 1.4.4
drowsy plank
🤞
cobalt pewter
here's a better idea: stop arbitrarily limiting boss fights to a certain time of the day
crude geode
bringing up aesthetics while also asking for fullbright
fr
small timber
<:pain:1036655754209398824>
(I mean unless they want their arena to be fully dark I think should be fine for most case)
otherwise it will be another ⚙️ moment
blazing kettle
i thought the torches on the arena was so you could see your arena
crude geode
^^^^^
short walrus
yeah
naive gale
yeah it's so you can see the ground, the bosses themselves are visible and their projectiles are even more visible
small timber
because it is still extremely dark 90% of the time unless you have your platforms super close to each other
short walrus
have you considered: illuminant paint
small timber
I dont think 90% of the players even know it exist
naive gale
I mean the suggestion was to reduce busywork in making the arena without mods
blazing kettle
the only boss i might see this effect i want to have on is eye of cthulu, but that boils down to me being poor
and EoC going into the ground
short walrus
kid named hunter potion:
blazing kettle
true..
short walrus
i'd hardly say the torches can ruin the aesthetic because
- 9 times out of 10 i dont think people are making arenas for the aesthetic
- very easy if you do want to keep the vibe to use other light sources
blazing kettle
1.4.4 lets you put lanterns on platofrms right?
short walrus
ye
crude geode
I love suggestions to just merge other mods into calamity
short walrus
rare xpcqe326 L
crude geode
it totally went well with potions being sold by npcs so let's do it with other mods too!
swift wharf
crude geode
(Seriously if you want full bright just. use full bright. don't ask for cal to integrate every mod you use)
naive gale
1.4.4 lets you put lanterns on platofrms right?
banners/heart lanterns too, it's great
swift wharf
white torches:
small timber
the tldr is:
make it so your arena is not limited by torches (as currently the gap between your platforms is basically limited by your torch coverage)
make it so fighting bosses at night without torches or a set up like this becoming mandatory
and most importantly torches have such a small lightning radius that unless you are using ultra bright torch you have to plant a lot of them
short walrus
it's not limited by torches
small timber
or just make it so bosses dont have time limitation of when you can fight them yes
blazing kettle
ultrabright shine potion when
swift wharf
If only there was a mod for that
short walrus
<:what:791869096962555934>
still doesnt make it any more valid
also fullbright yeah
swift wharf
anyways I think fullbright is bad because it kills light masks
small timber
ok this is like the tldr of why I made the suggestion
basically if you want to keep the arena light up you are forced to have smaller gaps between your platforms or to setup walls and plant torches on them (which is harder on playthrough due to arena size and layers of them)
is the calshader just fullbright?
drowsy plank
idk it looks fine to me
fight is plenty visible
destroyer looks a bit weird but he always looks weird in death
small timber
this is probably me but I dont like the combat aspect of the fight to be limited by visual clarity
short walrus
it really, really isn't
small timber
and for me I never like visual clarity being locked behind arena building; other aspect can be, but not being able to see should not be something that only comes from arena setup
drowsy plank
id get it if it was a boss that
swift wharf
I feel like mechs are a bad example for this
drowsy plank
^ that
small timber
the problem is mech will be some of the only example
swift wharf
since they glow
drowsy plank
this fight is perfectly clear
small timber
which is why the suggestion specified night bosses
how many (other) bosses are even fought (only) at night, like EoL?
crude geode
eoc and that's about it
hence why this isn't a big of a problem as you're making it out to be
drowsy plank
skeletron
crude geode
oh yeah
small timber
for me mech bosses are already the main problem, particularly skeletron prime which have arms hiding in darkness if you dont have proper lighting
crude geode
Hunter Potion
swift wharf
are we not going to talk about omniscience potions or
small timber
twins not so much, destroyer can be a problem
drowsy plank
omni + shine + owl
small timber
does omniscience light up more than shine and night owl?
drowsy plank
omni lights up the boss since it's hunter
swift wharf
it shows bosses and projectiles
crude geode
it shows you where skeletron prime's hands are
also destroyer literally has glowing segments lol
small timber
I dont like the red glow but since there are many people against the idea I will delete this for now
frosty trellis
Considering the fact that 3 out of the 4 galaxia attunements are bad I am 100% for this suggestion
fathom aspen
I tried to use different attunements for different phases in Yharon battle and found out it's faster to just use Phoenix and close-combat the whole fight
That was one reason of this sugg
frosty trellis
Phoenix Pride is the only decent attunement tbf
small timber
@ashen warren you can suggest that AFTER the new music actually get added to the fight
since the game didnt have it yet, you cant suggest that (as there is only 1 exo theme = current place holder theme)
ashen warren
My b, my memory is so bad that I would’ve forgotten to suggest it then
small timber
I know your suggestion is referring to "when it get added", but that is just suggestion rule
you cant suggest for things that arent in the game yet
small timber
it is fine
sand ermine
youtube 🐱
you can just play the placeholder on youtube when fighting exo mechs once the actual theme is finished and released
frail mantle
Yeah this would probably count as bringing back scrapped content
Especially considering the music mod is chunky enough as it is
Besides the current placeholder already exists and is used in Infernum for the normal Mechs
tardy smelt
I tried to use different attunements for different phases in Yharon battle and f...
Phoenix Pride is really fun to use 
the rest are uh
frozen hornet
I have not tried the upgraded desert one or the dash slam but I do want to at some point
grim tusk
Not “tomorrow” but better late than never
distant gyro
""tomorrow""
drowsy plank
lmao i forgot i sugged this to mod mail several weeks ago too
frosty trellis
Oh right yeah
That was supposed to be implemented in a few days once that modmail sugg was accepted LOL
drowsy plank
¯_(ツ)_/¯
summer rock
hi
hollow shell
oh right yeah
The MPG Thread
tardy smelt
been there done that 
frosty trellis
?
tardy smelt
I mean like, I've pinged you for testing stuff before
frosty trellis
Ah, yeah fair
cobalt pewter
Not “tomorrow” but better late than never
hollow shell
@candid dove Can you make a thread in this channel real quick,
for balancing
(I was trying to wait for a "good moment" to make it so that I can get everything properly set up, but at this rate that moment's never gonna come and it honestly doesn't require much set-up anyway)
You can make it off of this message:
Balancing Thread
((I know you're on break but moderators don't have thread permissions))
eternal escarp
when it happens ping me into it, i think
hollow shell
@sinful violet (pinging you too in case you come online first
I know you've also stepped away but... we kinda don't have any other admins besides Fabsol)
candid dove
You want it to be a thread?
The vote was for a channel
I'm fine with #suggestions-balance or something
hollow shell
Yeah we did a vote in the dev server so that the testers could weigh in
And a new Thread won out by a landslide over a new Channel
hollow shell
Epic
candid dove
<@186197065230057487> Can you make a thread in this channel real quick,
for bala...
Also, I'm fine with tasks that really need an admin, you can just ping me specifically for those granted they're not like 3 hour tasks
hollow shell
alrighty
sinful violet
Yeah anything that actually needs admin perms I can deal with
Just not people anymore
hollow shell
Fair enough
Temporary pin just to increase visibility to the new thread:
Thread for posting balancing suggestions/requests:
#1042197406776827914
#1042197406776827914 message
grim tusk
My respects to those 
eternal escarp
truly!!!
gilded scroll
so, is this for the normies to request balance changes of weapons accessories?
hollow shell
Yes
You could do that anyway in this channel
Now there's just a place to do it specifically
gilded scroll
eh fair
eternal escarp
its just neatly tucked away into its special corner of purgatory
gilded scroll
im thinking about doing something with all the rogue daggers, i might come in here if i find something to be a bit too funny
grim tusk
Balancing do be one of the layers of development hell
hollow shell
Okay I gotta go now I literally have a bus to catch
gilded scroll
see ya rover
eternal escarp
goodbye rover
grim tusk
👋
eternal escarp
personally though i wouldnt bother balance requesting much
until after 1.4.4 port
just a general like, thing in my eyes
gilded scroll
thats gonna be a minute tbh
eternal escarp
whenever it happens yeah
gilded scroll
and then shimmer balancing, thats gonna be a bit of a bitch eh?
eternal escarp
most of the shimmer stuff isnt that strong iirc
its small boosts or qol
the only outlier is RoH
and theres already a verdict for it
gilded scroll
RoH is hilarity, i can get behind why its Endgame now
swift wharf
there was a problem mentioned by iban
if the mod wanted to add some structure which used hm tiles like titanium bricks or smth
the player would be able to get titanium in prehm
gilded scroll
oh true true-
grim tusk
Cant you get mythril pre-hm on Cal FtW?
gilded scroll
wouldnt you be able to set flags to prevent that though?
swift wharf
I think you can get all tiers of ores in ftw
swift wharf
wouldnt you be able to set flags to prevent that though?
most likely
gilded scroll
sweet, anyways, guess ill get started on my run and see if any weapons of the dagger category of rogue are worthy of balance changes
grim tusk
sweet, anyways, guess ill get started on my run and see if any weapons of the da...
Gilded and Gleaming dagger I maybe overbuffed
Crystaline spam might need a nerf
Cniceda needs a rework
gilded scroll
Gilded and Gleaming dagger I maybe overbuffed
well, i can try and provide something for ya. just gotta follow the rules of weapon tests
ill use the both of them on KS, though, to be as consistent as possible.
grim tusk
ill use the both of them on KS, though, to be as consistent as possible.
Also check DS and EoC
If EoC dies too fast it needs a nerf
No matter if its “fine” on the other 2
Heck it was speculated KS and DS might need an hp nerf
gilded scroll
oh yes, good idea, i might go and test it now, just gotta make a new character lol
time to fire up the docs and the mod loader
hollow shell
Should I mention Fairy Boots?
thin hill
Yes
hollow shell
@serene tendon Not Flower Boots but we buff their upgrade
Your buff idea isn't bad though
small timber
The main concern is if you want to maintain the herb effect you will have to not craft it into fairy boots
serene tendon
Well we can just, make them inherit that effect
Yeah, I was forgetting they even had one, I'll add that
hollow shell
ok
naive gale
well can just add the effect to fairy too, although I don't know how feasible a buff that increase growth rate is, plus generally speaking for herbs the issue isn't growth rate, it's speciifc conditions that allows full blooming(although a bunch of these can be manipulated in calamity with rain spawner/blood moon spawner etc)
small timber
Out of curiosity is plant/herb growth rate modifiable?
serene tendon
Just goes to show how forgettable it is
small timber
I mean difficulty coding wise
hollow shell
Out of curiosity is plant/herb growth rate modifiable?
No idea
glass arch
it might be
swift wharf
Just goes to show how forgettable it is
flower boots or fairy boots?
serene tendon
flower boots or fairy boots?
Both
naive gale
might be easier to just make it let you collect more herbs if you're wearing them?
swift wharf
cuz fairy boots are actually really strong
hollow shell
I think it's been brought up before but I don't remember the verdict
I wanna say that Yes it would be hard
swift wharf
and not forgettable at all
small timber
Fairy boots are absurd yeah
Peoplr just dont use it because they dont know calamity buffed it
swift wharf
hellfire treads as well
hollow shell
Peoplr just dont use it because they dont know calamity buffed it
☝️
serene tendon
cuz fairy boots are actually really strong
They are forgettable because they're an upgrade to a useless item nobody knows got buffed
small timber
Hellfire treads is goated
naive gale
they're also only strong for a fairly short amount of time which is also usually the easiest part of the game
serene tendon
That's not forgettable
Yeah, I guess forgotten is a better word
hollow shell
Unknown
swift wharf
yea
naive gale
although I guess you could use them in hardmode if you don't need the speed too I guess
swift wharf
most of the playerbase probably never touched vanilla 1.4 so like
small timber
Hellfire is viable for preHM and a large part of HM
naive gale
I meant fairy
hollow shell
they're also only strong for a fairly short amount of time which is also usually...
I mean, you don't get Angel Treads until post-3Mechs
small timber
Fairy boots is straight up the best boots until angel treads, and even then it is still a competition
glass arch
hellfire treads should be able to be used as an alternative to spectre boots for lightning boots imo
small timber
The only trade off is no rocket boots flight time on wings
swift wharf
Hellfire is viable for preHM and a large part of HM
hellfire treads, magma quiver, frost armor and cursed arrows
small timber
Hellfire treads dont need magma quiver even
It just make attack give hellfire for some reason
swift wharf
oh yeah true
hollow shell
The only trade off is no rocket boots flight time on wings
(I assume you mean this for Hellfire, cuz Fairy does have Spectre in it)
glass arch
hellfire treads should be able to be used as an alternative to spectre boots for...
at least in vanilla i forgot to look at the changelogs section on the wiki, it was changed to use spectre boots in 1.4.4
swift wharf
huh
hollow shell
Oh???
glass arch
it uses spectre boots instead of lava waders in 1.4.4
hollow shell
I did not know that
That's a weird change
naive gale
I think it's just so you can use them directly instead of in vanity slot
swift wharf
buff question mark
hollow shell
I guess it's so that it's less of a commitment to a dead end
Spectre is easier to get than Lava Waders
glass arch
and it also cant be used for lightning boots
hollow shell
Flame Waker Boots were just a mistake in general
or rather it was a mistake to make have a combo upgrade
Don't shove vanity into a functional line
glass arch
agree
and if you do that
at least make it be able to be used for the item that the functional item would upgrade into
cant even make lightning boots with it
hollow shell
And couldn't make Terraspark with em before when they were a Waders upgrade
Dunno why they thought preventing the weirdness of losing a purely vanity effect was worth making them a complete crafting deadend and therefore a waste of resources
glass arch
yeah its more effective to just use vanity
fathom aspen
Sand Dollar's stealth strike multiplier might be a bit too high? (it's like ~225%*2 from my calculations)
Crystalline with the same build gets about 0:55 for comparison
small timber
(there is a tread for balance stuffs now) but ya many preboss rogue weapon are quite stupid
fathom aspen
oh
frosty trellis
Sand Dollar's stealth strike multiplier might be a bit too high? (it's like ~225...
Isn't coin of deceit post eye? Since it requires evil bars?
hollow shell
You can mine it, it's just difficult because the veins are so small and infrequent
naive gale
Isn't coin of deceit post eye? Since it requires evil bars?
you can mine ores
fathom aspen
Isn't coin of deceit post eye? Since it requires evil bars?
Bombs
naive gale
I'd say gladiator is over tiered for eye though
small timber
You will not get like 60 bars from mining, but around 10-20 is easy
And I think gold pickaxe just break evil ores? You dont even need bombs
naive gale
you can get it preboss but the stats are higher than the usual preboss stuff
small timber
Which I feel is a problem with balancing
Just like how hellstone stuffs are post skeletron (?) in power
fathom aspen
ik, so I brought Crystalline for comparison too
and in the same build Crystalline is doing OK while SandD is not
fathom aspen
I'd say gladiator is over tiered for eye though
I considered it on-tier as SnowRuffian is 50 max stealth, Sulfur is 70, Gladiator is 60 which is between them and also equal to Victide
naive gale
right yeah as a comparison it's likely fine, I did find sand dollar to be very strong when I did my rogue run, at least for the little bit I used it
although it is technically a bit further in the upgrades than crystalline isn't it, crystalline is just diamonds while sand dollar requires killing a boss+mini boss so should be a bit stronger, but if it's half the duration it's probably too good
frosty trellis
I considered it on-tier as SnowRuffian is 50 max stealth, Sulfur is 70, Gladiato...
I would still go with snow ruffian because gladiator is... a pain to acquire
fathom aspen
lol true
crude geode
**Thread for posting balancing suggestions/requests:**
<#1042197406776827914>
h...
thank god
bold sapphire
sorry i got locked out of my old discord account so i only now see this (i can finally get on it but it locks me out as soon as i put my phone number on this new account) but what was the suggestion
now a million years later
small timber
I think it should be something about your donor item
since changes to donor item will require donor permission (though I dont know which one are yours)
ok should be something about corpus avertor
but yeah, the suggestion was long gone
ok I think it was something about removing the effect by which you damage yourself (wiki says hp cut in half?)
cobalt pewter
yeah, 1/7 chance
bold sapphire
oh
golden tulip
yes
swift wharf
The dash keybind mod doesn't work with cal dashes?
swift wharf
why does it not work
keen zodiac
because cal
deft yew
They probably add dashes manually
swift wharf
yeah that's what I was thinking too
anyways if a mod already exists for this, just compatibility is enough imo
frosty trellis
True melee in general needs to deal less damage to worms
Avalanche also melts AS and Dest
crude geode
We now have a thread for balancing discussions @upbeat token
upbeat token
crude geode
It’s the first thing in the pinned messages in this channel
silk ridge
im about to get terraria with the intent of diving straight into calamity should i play base game first or nah? and if i don't what difficulty should i playthrough calamity on?
cobalt pewter
silk ridge
did i post in the wrong channel?
cobalt pewter
im about to get terraria with the intent of diving straight into calamity should...
please play terraria first, also this is not the channel for it
use #help-advice-read-pins ig?
narrow mantle
If anyone has feedback for my suggestion, I will get to it ASAP.
small timber
probably be more specific on the set of furniture you want to have more of
swift wharf
on the other hand, I think that the part about the recipe is too specific
small timber
because currently this sounds like "I want more of every single set of furniture in the game", rather than "I want some of the themed furniture that are lacking some specific building blocks to be added
oh right
drowsy plank
the
the calamity's vanities mod in the corner
small timber
If anyone has feedback for my suggestion, I will get to it ASAP.
the "2 monolith for 1 plank part" can be deleted, it is just unnecessary specificity
small timber
because currently this sounds like "I want more of every single set of furniture...
other than that ^, just change your title to reflect more towards the fact that "you want these specific furniture/walls of each set to be added", rather than current one which sounds like "please add more to every single set of furniture in the game"
yeah things like acid wood fence is just waiting for cal vanity mod submission for sprite
swift wharf
@vale sundial whips are already planned
vale sundial
Legit? Well that's nice to hear then
glass arch
eventually™️
vale sundial
Thanks for the clarification, I feel silly for not knowing that
glass arch
i dont think its been said in any announcement channels, i think its been said a bit in #calamity-update-talk but otherwise not sure
grim tusk
and after dealing with vanilla whips
Which need summoner to be dealt with first
Which now needs tml 1.4.4
So it’ll be a while
small timber
what if remove tag damage and make whips give you a 10% minion damage buff for 2 seconds on hit :clueless:
narrow mantle
the "2 monolith for 1 plank part" can be deleted, it is just unnecessary specifi...
alright, thank you!
I'm going to bed so any other questions would have to wait 'till tomorrow for me (EST)
crude geode
Is the image really necessary
golden tulip
i can barely read anything 
cobalt pewter
laao
it's a bit random but I kinda want soul of cryogen to not be
basic ass wings with no wing sprite
like maybe incorporating cryo's charged dash into a charged jump
crude geode
Soul of cryogen is truly one of the accessories of all time
ashen warren
Soul of cryogen is always my first HM wings until seraph tracers cuz its easiest to get 🥶
naive gale
I get pixie wings before I do cryogen, and then daedalus wings cause I usually use daedalus set until like post golem
which btw, isn't in that graph
the bonus aren't very good though, but it also has shield bonus which is why I end up keeping the whole thing usually
small timber
is there something called pixie wings? I thought it is just fairy wings
naive gale
I call them pixie wings cause you need pixie dust but yeah
small timber
(2nd column first wing) yes it is scuffed I know I somehow can't enlarge the image in discord
small timber
the imagine was originally there to be an easy reference to each wings in the game
but turns out discord cannot enlarge image freely so it become a clusterfuck
naive gale
I meant daedalus is missing, not fairy
golden tulip
i always get harpy wings first
deft yew
ooh, balancing thread
eternal escarp
i agree with this tbh
or atleast making the recipe harder but still pre QS
drowsy plank
yeah that was one of the other alternatives but
i dont wanna make it a novel
like im just gonna assume people can figure out that that is a viable alternative for the idea, and the last section is merely another suggestion to fix another problem with her
drowsy plank
i mean that is part of what my sugg was about
like you could if you made it take... sparkle slime balloons. but it is an option
small timber
I think the general concern is that you can boost enemy spawn rate easier (which apply for Evil 2, Deus, Scal; previous 2 are enemy and Scal is just from Calamitas defeat), but you can't boost Gelatin Crystal spawn rate quickly
the only way I can think of is sleeping, but that is about as fast as sleeping for Plantera bulb to spawn
so ya, pre-QS is probably still preferable because of that
deft yew
The concern is just in case your hallow hits a really bad spot like the jungle or something
where crystals can’t grow
unkempt cedar
all im wanting is if its added directly in for it to not be a requirement. you cannot and will not make me use a hotkey to dash without it being a godslayer setbonus dash
hot zephyr
why would it be mandatory
drowsy plank
where crystals can’t grow
you literally need crystals to craft it what are you talking about. i address this in the sugg that it sucks for trying to help with that because you literally need underground hallow items to make it
deft yew
oh huh
gray nebula
just dont make it crafted GRAHHH
drowsy plank
i mean id like a non-consumable version, but i also dont want it to be the ones that grow since it just creates clutter lol
idk
drowsy plank
put the drunk princess inside queen slime like permafrost
she sells gelatin crystals like prismatic lacewings
glass arch
what're ya gonna do next, put the guide in king slime? /j
drowsy plank
i mean the ninja is the guide's brother
small timber
put the drunk princess inside queen slime like permafrost
since drunk princess is a fabsol reference so probably nien
will be pretty useful though, since that mean new player no longer easily miss out on an NPC because they didn't check unicorn horn crafting recipe
drowsy plank
i dunno what dp being a fab reference had to do with excluding her from dropping from queen slime
swift wharf
the summon item being craftable and non consumable
rancid gust
just dont make it crafted GRAHHH
shoutouts to my sugg that died in voting
Hopefully this one does better, it's a lot more well written
celest crater
@deft yew the best suggestion ive yet seen
Infernum dog wouldnt be nearly as bs with consistent ram imputs
deft yew
My initial reason was just infernum DoG, but this really applies to a lot more bosses than it seems
Clone and Scal (accidents)
Ravager (ram abuse)
celest crater
Yeah, but with other bosses, the main detriment is losing adrenaline, not instant death
tardy smelt
Infernum DoG isn't instadeath 
he just hurts you a lot
there's a big difference 'between the two there
also, the imputting is entirely consistent for mme
whether the ram actually lands or not is what I've had trouble with a handful of times, but only in phase 1
obtuse steeple
i have a suggestion
make a ui at the bottom of the screen for calamity mod controls
tardy smelt
whether the ram actually lands or not is what I've had trouble with a handful of...
then again, I'm very accustomed to imputting dashes- and I can see that some people wouldn't be able to due to their computers being too laggy or physical detriments or whatnot
deft yew
Lag spikes are infuriatingly good at dashing you to your death
celest crater
80% of your hp isnt technically insta death. But when youre forced to take chip damage from ramming into DoG’s body to avoid the head, it may as well be
willow widget
you aren't forced to take chip damage, flying up just before he hits you is more than enough time to dodge the body
celest crater
Ill keep that in mind
small timber
What difficulty are you on?
Doesnt aureus have a small frame of not dealing damage after teleport in rev, maybe even in death
deft yew
TRUE
gray nebula
telefrags are fine in death for Extra difficulty am i right
(well idk if they are on death)
small timber
Mainly is just whether it is ftw or something tbh
gray nebula
its like crabulon's difficulty locked barebones fight
deft yew
last i checked, aureus can in fact telefrag again
gray nebula
in normal its a turbolimp mess because its jumps cant even go through tiles
small timber
Becusse i remember both rev and death aureus dont do damage straight away
stable kiln
yeah he teleports, appears and then theres almost a full second i think before he deals damage
more than enough time to dash away
cobalt pewter
indicated by his sprite yes
typically he doesn't have a flaming head when it cannot deal damage
you can always see this when it spawns
cobalt pewter
difficulty-locked fairness
time to rebalance cal to expert once again
small timber
Aureus need a better indicator that it is a close/mid range fight
Everything aureus does screams "just run away" but in reality a lot of its attack are only dodgeable/properly telegraphed if you can see aureus on screen
cobalt pewter
awesam
cobalt pewter
Aureus need a better indicator that it is a close/mid range fight
time to pull up a dclops
it shuts down if you're too far
:troll
small timber
Put a permenant providence holy inferno aura on aureus
Surely that will fix the problem :clueless:
gray nebula
dclopses solution isnt even that bad
cobalt pewter
yeah ik
gray nebula
its in your nose b ut it works
deft yew
…Shadow hands?
cobalt pewter
followed by the confusing hand AIs
I'm not done yet
the hand AIs were thr first thing I had issues with dclops
but as I experience the boss more, simply running into it multiple times without the worry of actually dying is not
fun
small timber
Just make fighting deerclops this way more viable (toally 0 bias)
gray nebula
looks minimally engaging tbh
but if only he had gotten like
an extra attack to mix it up
cobalt pewter
at the very least the long ice spikes should still spawn to either sides alongside the short ones tbh
small timber
To certain degree this is intended as the leg dont have hitbox is intentional
But yeah cal will likely completely rework the boss anyway so
swift wharf
move deerclops to like post eye and everything is fixed
deft yew
an extra attack to mix it up
such as using the shadow hands more manually than "telefrag!"
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grand wagon
LETS GOOOOOOOO LETS FUCKING GOOOO
glass arch
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
swift wharf
common qol mod W
soft tulip
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[**Add ...
you lucky man
you really did good job
vocal grotto
Trolling deployed
cobalt pewter
wtf!
deft yew
it took me literally half a day to get this in
vocal grotto
I would say it's the former?
Latter
Keybind that Cal adds that allows you to override double-tap dashes with a custom button
When the keybind isn't enabled, it defaults to just taking in the double-tap inputs
cobalt pewter
oh?
deft yew
WAIT IT'S CAL'S
vocal grotto
Yes
deft yew
BASED
swift wharf
guh
glass arch
wowie
swift wharf
is this a terraria code situation i feel like it is
crude geode
Soon cal will devour all other qol mods
glass arch
cant wait to not be able to use it 
swift wharf
like surely the original mod would just make anything that dashes do so with a keybind
instead of manually adding what dashes to a list or smth
vocal grotto
Latter
Keybind that Cal adds that allows you to override double-tap dashes with ...
In short
No more stupid SCal butterfinger dashes
half sage
grand wagon
Also an amazing accessibility option
half sage
dunno if I'll use it cuz years of muscle memory but pog nonetheless
vocal grotto
I have played enough Celeste to benefit 
deft yew
In short
No more stupid SCal butterfinger dashes
also true
this will drastically affect the nohit economy
crude geode
Most changes affect the nohit economy
cobalt pewter
true
vocal grotto
What are they gonna do? Use government surveillance to ensure you only double tap? 
cobalt pewter
handcam
vocal grotto
Policing how people use inputs to achieve mastery would be kinda dumb
drowsy plank
why would there even be a rule about the dashes anyway lmfao
cobalt pewter
(it won't actually affect nohits)
(no one is dumb enough to work against that
right?)
drowsy plank
there's already very little quick access keyboard economy for fights when you need to cover quick heal, mount, hooks, adren, rage, as well as leaving room for your actual movement on top of everything else
crude geode
quick make an incredibly niche potion that has some use on no-hits
glass arch
quick make an incredibly niche potion that has some use on no-hits
you take 100% more damage but you get a 50% damage boost?
small timber
Decrease your hp by 20% but make luck stat affect your damage variation
cobalt pewter
the duck
vocal grotto
HP becomes 1/4th of its original value, doubles all damage universally
small timber
HP becomes 1/4th of its original value, doubles all damage universally
Time to spec bloodpact since hp bonus is additive now
Totally 0 copium
grand wagon
there's already very little quick access keyboard economy for fights when you ne...
This is a massive improvement for movement consistency cus FUCK double tap !
umbral sonnet
I personally Believe Providence has cursed my keyboard to screw up all my dashes while fighting her
naive gale
yeah mostly personally I don't mind dashing that much, but I hate when I dash "randomly" because I was trying to slightly adjust my positionning to dodge something and end up dashing into the thing I was trying to avoid or something else, so turning it off as double tap would be good
I'll take having to find an additional keybind over dashing by mistake anytime
ashen warren
wait how would the dash keybind work with changing direction
since like
if it goes off of direction
you cant dash right while moving left
drowsy plank
correct
you will just
dash in the direction you're facing
you. already had to do that with double tap because the first would point you in the direction anyway so
@ashen warren
ashen warren
oh yeah i guess that makes sense
i wonder
will buffering dash key work
like dashing then pressing a movement key
or i guess it would just take the direction ur facing either wasy
so no
though u also dont face the direction ur moving when using a weapon
idk
i guess itd just take the raw movement input
so youd have to actually be pressing a movement key before that
drowsy plank
though u also dont face the direction ur moving when using a weapon
useTurn would like to have a talk with you
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cobalt pewter
it is time
grave zincBOT
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high folio
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[**Biom...
let's go :D
cobalt pewter
top 20% within 2 weeks (?) gets into dev
mystic umbra
ohhh
cobalt pewter
it used a set amount of stars before, but this format is much more dynamic
mystic umbra
watch mine get immediately denied
short walrus
oh hell yeah
short walrus
toilet suggestion got enough votes
also oh hell no
small timber
(and calamity emote is a suggestion that cannot be implemented before tmodloader add support)
tardy smelt
Looks like mine died in sugg voting<:WakaDeadinside:697445922896085002>
Maybe I'll re-suggest it in a few months?
mystic umbra
poopfart=funny
tardy smelt
I dunno
small timber
which one was yours again
tardy smelt
Permafrost
small timber
oh mana upgrades
tardy smelt
Yup yup
It's sumthin I'd have liked to actually like
Reach in-dev voting
But oh well
tardy smelt
toilet suggestion got enough votes
The fact that it did mildly pisses me off
crude geode
this round was "fierce" in terms of competition
in terms of just how many easy, hard to argue against suggs there were
and stupidly popular ones
small timber
well I can at least say I didn't contributed to it
but other 153 people disagree
tardy smelt
this round was "fierce" in terms of competition
True true
crude geode
consistency my beloathed
tardy smelt
I may try to pick a better moment for posting it next time
mystic umbra
i searched what beloathed meant and it just said someone that is loathed
small timber
yeah
the magiluminescence one I also posted 2 times before (altogether 3), both bad timing (have suggestions around 200 votes), so timing do matter
high folio
@small timber i like your suggestion about the wing bonuses and i think some wings like duke fishron's should also get some upgrades cause right now they give no bonuses at all