suggestions-discussion

[frosty trellis]

Had to cheat in bloodflare armor bc I couldn't be bothered

[crude geode]

it's when you get the upgrade for blood moon anyways

where you get more than two weapons from it

[wary pier]

it's not weapons, it's Blood Orbs that important

[glass arch]

demonic bone ash maybe

that would make it be not all but worthless

[drowsy plank]

blood altar in new craigs

[small timber]

I still prefer blood orb just being in Brimstone Crate but people hate fishing so it is a no go

[crude geode]

[small timber]

or wait until 1.4.4 and you (suggest to add) some strange recipe that transform into a 1 time blood moon summon consumable item with shimmer

[glass arch]

wait its used for zergs???? what????

[crude geode]

lol

average not checking wiki moment

[glass arch]

just goes to show how much i rely on alchnpc then

[crude geode]

it's meant to be a catchup anyways

[drowsy plank]

still the zerg ingredient being in the blood moon spawner would make sense

[small timber]

imagine using alcnpc when you can just use cheat sheet

[drowsy plank]

fr this is why i think bloody tear being a guarnteed spawn in the brim craigs would be a good change

[crude geode]

also you can't even use blood orbs til post skele

[glass arch]

true

[wary pier]

imagine being unable to craft Money Trough and Blood Orange until endgame

[small timber]

I prefer shimmer (though 1.4.4) just because shimmer tend to have the "altering effect" so you dont have to have bloody tear themed item in the gamefor it to work
that or still brimstone crate because bloodstone is tied

[crude geode]

money trough users when I show them chester (this is something they have never seen before)

byeah no guarantee is cringe

[crude geode]

bloodstone being tied to 3 different biome moment

[drowsy plank]

just put it in a craig chest!! which is both bloodstone related and a guarnteed spawn

[glass arch]

bloody tear really does need to be able to be gotten naturally outside of blood moons

[wary pier]

true

[wary pier]

chester users when my Money Trough don't jump all over the fucking place (they currently high on Adderall)

[crude geode]

anyways uh bloodstone

can we remove it from crags

[wary pier]

maybe it could drop from EoC

[wary pier]

I just kill Ravager

he gives like, 130?

[crude geode]

it's what most people do anyways

[wary pier]

more than enough for a lifetime

oh I get what you meant

sorry it's like 6 am

[crude geode]

i would suggest it but a sugg regarding it is far more likely to happen once ravager is actually moved

[wary pier]

I think if they want bloodstone to stay in Crags, enemies should at least drop it's more

[small timber]

just wait for the Ravager post-ML retier rework that will be the only source of bloodstone which will happen precisely around soon™️

[wary pier]

I was farming them, with Zerg, got 2 in 30 mins and then I was like wait Ravager

[crude geode]

not sure if that's part of the rework

[small timber]

I think it was mentioned at some point that Ravager will become the only source of bloodstone after the retier

(though they can have a change of plan, like moving GSS to post-ML which is now denied by Fabsol himself)

[crude geode]

GSS

also the duality of suggestion voting

[cobalt pewter]

chester users when I show them void bag in 1.4.4 (it's the objectively superior storage option that doesn't even consume any equipment slots)

[crude geode]

void bag is even more niche than chester

and that's saying something

[small timber]

chester when you can just have autotrash

[crude geode]

TRUE

we need people to get smarter instead of feeding them more inventory slots

[crude geode]

would you like to play sugg bingo, or try to get an actual result out of dev hell

[small timber]

too bad slimes exist so if you pop zerg potion for 30 seconds in a place where slimes can spawn your inventory will be filled with 5-10 of each pre-HM ores, 1-2 of random pre-HM potions and like 30-40 of each HM ores that have ore slime

[wary pier]

my man got free stuff

[crude geode]

can't wait for shimmer to obliterate ore slimes

[wary pier]

I usually getting critters

even when I'm outside of town

[cobalt pewter]

god

[crude geode]

it would be so awesome, it would be so cool

[wary pier]

I accidentally sold Xerocs rock I'm done

[fathom aspen]

imo ML can have some Daybroken resistance lmao

Absolutely no weapon other than this would have 4100*4 DoT per second

[tardy geyser]

is he that weak to heat debuffs? daybroken does 800 dps at max with out him being weak to it but over 5x the damage, wtf

[fathom aspen]

yes, ML is weak to fire-related debuffs

that's a 5x, and Slimed boost it by another 2x

then bring other items that buffs fire debuffs, and we have this

[small timber]

daybroken (the debuff) is balanced around being stacked 1 time, which is why

and daybreak is the only weapon being capable of inflicting multiple stack of daybroken

so ya probably oversight

[fathom aspen]

I mean, nothing at that stage can deal a 16400 dps on single target right
and yet you don't need to be any glass build to reach that with Daybreak

[small timber]

sorry, what I mean is it is probably an oversight that cause the weapon to be this powerful, so ya it probably should be nerfed

[safe oasis]

things other than daybreak inflict daybroken?

[small timber]

solar eruption iirc, and some others do

but ya, only daybreak is capable of inflicting it multiple times

[fathom aspen]

Nevermind, anyways, imo Oiled should have the effects of Slimed rn (and have more weapons to inflict it) and Slimed can be tweaked to be weaker. For ML maybe they can limit Daybroken max stacks on him or simply add resistance?? idk
It's kinda ridiculous that a Slime Gun can boost a Lunar Pillar debuff by more than 100%

[small timber]

actually it is more than I thought which is surprising

in vanilla it is 25 dps, in calamity it is buffed to 100

and daybreak can stack it to like 8x (other weapon = 1x)

[fathom aspen]

It's always 25 DoT but procs 4 times every second, which is 100 dps

regular damaging debuffs procs 2.5 times every second, and Daybroken is one of the exceptions

[small timber]

but ya tldr it probably need nerfs (Altix probably can do clearer explanation but I am not familiar with NPC dps coding)

[small timber]

@hot zephyr apparently Daybroken debuff on Daybreak is quite funny on Moon Lord when combined with slime gun

[fathom aspen]

Ye it's both very funny and kinda frustrating that the most effective way of buffing your fire debuffs is to use Slime Gun

Oiled's +25damage per second is more and more awkward as the game progresses

not to mention that few items inflict it

[crude geode]

Flat damage buffs be so quirky

[fathom aspen]

And this is very likely the cause of many oversights

[small timber]

what even inflict oiled

the only one I can find is totality breaker, and maybe vanilla molotov

[fathom aspen]

seems that only DD2 rods and Totality Breakers?

this debuff can have more love ig

[cobalt pewter]

oil grenade

in 1.4.5 with Dead Cells crossover

[distant gyro]

more debuff shenanigans

[tardy smelt]

Isn't it +25%

[small timber]

nerfed/reworked recently

[tardy smelt]

Awh, makes sense

[short walrus]

@worthy ocean what are you actually asking for (i can guarantee this is not the place for it

[worthy ocean]

I want the hp bars to have a standalone mod for just the hp so I can use the health bars with any mod pack even if calamity itself conflicts with that pack

[frail mantle]

a separate mod with just calamity's vanilla changes that calamity would need to have enabled to work was proposed at one point but denied i think

[worthy ocean]

This wouldn’t have the recipes

So it could work client side hopefully

As it would just change the hp bar

[frail mantle]

either way you'll need to separate the title from your suggestion (shift + enter on pc) for the bot to be able to pass it to voting

also might be a good idea to have some more reasoning

[short walrus]

thats even less useful than the other one, so i don't see that getting in either

[swift wharf]

Isn't like

"Make a mod that does x calamity feature" a don't

[worthy ocean]

Part of this idea is to make a way to have the health bars without issue of conflicting mods since the health bars could be client side

[swift wharf]

You can disable calamity healthbars though

[worthy ocean]

Calamity doesn’t need changes with this

This would be able to be a way to run just the health bar changes

[swift wharf]

So you want them to make a mod that just adds the healthbars?

[drowsy plank]

vanilla already has health bars now...

if you want numbers on them just use the mods that improve the vanilla health bars lmao

[small timber]

yeah I think asking for basically creating a "separate mod" is a don't somewhere

[swift wharf]

• trying to read it gave me a stroke

[small timber]

because next in line will be "calamity vanilla recipe as a separate QoL mod", "calamity fishing crates changes", "calamity infinite boss summon item"....

[worthy ocean]

The Metal Gear rising revengance health bars

[worthy ocean]

Say if I have like 22 other mods and my pc can’t also run calamity or I just don’t want calamity content but do want the metal gear rising revengance health bars I could then do so with this

[small timber]

I dont think suggestions allow for suggestion that involves "creating a separate mod"

[worthy ocean]

I checked and there actually isn’t any mods that do this. And I did spent a decent amount of time looking, I should say this is for the most recent version, maybe on much older versions of terraria/tmodloader there are/is mods that do this but on the here and now I haven’t found.

[small timber]

Reasoning is this ^

[worthy ocean]

There’s mods that change things like recipes and such, but I haven’t found any mods that change just the boss health bars to metal gear rising revengance health bars, and just taking this little feature alone could be done client side, nothing big, nothing with any real need to work on it seperate pretty much copy the healthbar stuff and paste it by itself and call it done.

The reason I suggest this is because there isn’t anything out there that does this, and just this, or even modifies boss health bars like this period

[small timber]

Will just let the mods to see if it can be passed (since I did heard at some point that any suggestion involving creating a separate mod is a dont, even for miniscule things)

And I dont think "it is demanded" as a reasoning works perfectly here. If this suggestion pass people will just ask for vanilla recipe changes as a separate mod, then vanilla enemy nerf, planetoid standalone, lifecrystal recipe... Calamity dont really have to do the job for other people as if it is truely this easy to implement, other people can do it too

Especially in this case that 'calamity boss hp bar' is literally jusy MGRR hp bar, it will make it look ultra bad if they posted it as a calamity thing

[drowsy plank]

vanilla has health bars

like

[worthy ocean]

I want the fancy % bars for the enemy

For the bosses to be specific

[drowsy plank]

aren't there plans to change the MGRR health bar anyway to something more... actually invocative of the mod?

cool, you still can't suggest that lmao

[small timber]

I dont think there is any plan, though it do serve its purpose

[drowsy plank]

ive heard talks about it from the devs a couple times at least

[small timber]

It is clean in design so no complains there, I will dislike it more if they try to like make it unique or super fancy but hard to look at

[drowsy plank]

i think the plan was to make it less. exactly the same as MGRR and more useful for what cal actually does

i know there's a lot of requests for phase transitions to be marked somehow, so that could be an option

[small timber]

There was some alteration yeah, like I think the enrage colour change bar (above hp bar) is not originslly mgrr?

Phase transition one I used the vanilla hp bar for reference instead of mgrr one, but yeah I guess that can work too

[drowsy plank]

regardless, making the health bar separate isn't a valid sugg because it isn't even about cal. it would be about taking something out, and so far, not a single "take the vanilla mods out and make them their own thing" has ever passed. im not sure if it's a don't, but it probably should be

[worthy ocean]

Say I want the metal gear rising revengance health bars to be useable with anything heck just any way to truly change boss health bars like this so things like combos and such can be displayed, I just don’t see any mods to do this

And I’m not saying to cut stuff

[drowsy plank]

i realize, that doesn't make it any more valid lmao

[worthy ocean]

What I am saying is they can essentially copy paste this client side

[small timber]

Then tldr if it is that easy just ask for anyone else who can code to make it

That is always the gist of it

[worthy ocean]

May I ask for who would be able to?

[small timber]

Probably just ask in like #help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk or whatever to see if people are willing to do it

Because trying to make it happen through suggestion is unlikely

[drowsy plank]

i refuse to believe there are no other boss bar modifications mods on tmodloader

[small timber]

(because of reason above, mainly that it is not really a 'calamity hp bar' , they cant advertise it as their own thing)

[worthy ocean]

There’s none for metal gear rising revengance health bars

[drowsy plank]

ok so just use a different one that serves the same purpose

[worthy ocean]

And there’s the combo feature of the red hp

So it can’t just be a texture change

[drowsy plank]

what combo feature

do you mean the enrage signifier?

[worthy ocean]

Making it a client side mod

I mean the red, Yknow how the red is how much health you have comboed off enemy, and not attacking for a short time it fades to gone?

[drowsy plank]

no

lmao

[worthy ocean]

Try summoning moon lord

Or deveourer

Slash em say 3 times, see the red hp that replaces the health to show the damadge and combo

Then you wait a short time and the red fades leaving just the yellow in such a way you can see the missing amount of enemy hp?

[drowsy plank]

ok i just pulled up some random no hit and

vanilla health bars also do this?

[worthy ocean]

????

[drowsy plank]

or maybe it's another boss health bar

either way such a feature exists in an existing mod

[worthy ocean]

Yknow the red of combos?

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi97Px4gQCQ&t=90s

it's got the same feature, like, sure it isn't red but it has a transparent section showing active damage

[worthy ocean]

You can see the red as they kill say deveourer

Although I don’t see them miss the boss for long enough for combo to reset

[drowsy plank]

yeah and you can see the other health bar

doing the same thing

just use another boss health bar for other mods then

[worthy ocean]

And the red to empty leaving just the yellow

[drowsy plank]

there are mods that already do what you want they just aren't MGRR just get one of those

[worthy ocean]

Actually this might be very visible during a giant clam miniboss fight with appropriate power gear

[small timber]

Ok I think this need to be restated again:
Regardless of how much you like calamity's hp bar, there is absolutely no reason for calamity to make a separate mod for it.

And that it the main reason why this suggestion is controversial: there is no reason for Calamity to specifically do it by taking out a feature in there own mod (which they are not even the original creator of as it is obviously referencing mgrr) and try to sell it as a separate mod as 'calamity hp bar'

Which is why as I said it is more likely to happen if you just ask anyone capable of modding to do it instead of the developers of calamity (because suggestions are implemented by developers of calamity, not random person)

[worthy ocean]

It’s clearly metal gear rising revengances health bars yes, and that’s what it will be called, again I am not asking for this to be cut from calamity, rather that this feature be duplicated for standalone use.

[drowsy plank]

GREEN STAR

JUST GO ON THE MOD BROWSER

[worthy ocean]

I have

[drowsy plank]

there are so many boss health bar mods they exist they have what you want

[worthy ocean]

All I found was mod that opens metal gear rising when you get hit

[drowsy plank]

dont look for mgrr just look for boss health bar

[small timber]

Then why are calamity developers obligated to do it for you? When anyone else who know modding should also be capable if it is as easy as you say

Eventually people will just ask for "calamity qol mod" where all calamity related content is removed

And only the vanilla changed stays because people like them

[worthy ocean]

Because calamity already has the code, why spend time remaking a polished feature that can be client side when the code is already there

Just copy and paste (not how I am not saying cut and paste) the code

For the health bars

[small timber]

Then it loops back to here: why are the calamity developers have the responsibility to post a MGRR health bar just because you want one and there is no one else doing it?

[worthy ocean]

Because it’s easiest for them to make just copy paste done

[small timber]

It is not exactly that there is a lack of hp bar mod, it is just the one you specifically want didnt exist (and at this, it isnt even calamity related since calamity do have hp bars)

So the basis becomes 'a calamity suggestion for when I dont have calamity activated'

It is not about how easy it is, it is about why should they do it

Currently there is no reason for them to post MGRR hp bar as a separate mod unless a particular developer is a fan of MGRR and want to share it with other people through a separate mod

If every single feature in calamity (to become a separate mod) is a valid reasoning for suggestion then people will just ask for all of them to be singled out, vanilla recipe, base speed changes, vanilla enemy nerf... Etc etc, and you will just have calamity developers being held responsible to post all kind of qol just because 'they have the code'

If they are truly 'on high demand' as you say, then other people would had already done it

[swift wharf]

Not their job to add a mod like this

You could also just make one yourself

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2814631269

also

! !

[drowsy plank]

wacky

[worthy ocean]

Yay thanks so much, this works with most recent version of tmodloader??? If so thanks so much, if you desire i will delete suggestion.

[drowsy plank]

it's a texture pack so it works with basically any version of 1.4 i believe, but you'll have to enable/download it first

[worthy ocean]

Ok I deleted suggestion

[sage drum]

that's a bit rude tbh

[drowsy plank]

@maiden narwhal how about you look at the fuckin rules and actually read the damn pins

[blazing kettle]

at least we arent using the older sprite(s)

[hollow shell]

calm down cog but yes indeed

[gray nebula]

[gray nebula]

we are

yharons sprite is pretty much one of the oldest boss sprites in the mod

[blazing kettle]

isnt there an even older one

[gray nebula]

if there is it barely had any differences

[small timber]

tbh I wish they still kept it as a phoenix + dragon for the new resprite, rather than pure dragon (or something) and keep the revive (basically the only boss with 2 health bar)
but ya since it is a revert change so it is what it is

[hollow shell]

I think it is the actual oldest one yes

[gray nebula]

[blazing kettle]

what about this

or the orange cuffs yharon

[crude geode]

It still is a Phoenix dragon tbh

The wings really give it away

[hollow shell]

I did like the revive quite a bit, it added a lot to the feel of the fight

but it's Fab's preference to have a boss's full HP in the bar and therefore it will never go back to how it was before

[small timber]

just what if... yharon have a special hp bar that basically have a 2nd layer as 1st hp bar deplete?

that way the hp bar still communicate correctly how long the fight last/it has 2 phase

[hollow shell]

Potentially a good compromise, but I personally liked that his health regenerated for P2
The surprise plus the fact that it appeared to undo your progress made it feel like an "oh fuck" moment

Alongside the swelling music shift

[swift wharf]

same for dog

[blazing kettle]

i wish there was a way to do the DoG fight again with the sentinals after the first time you go through it

[small timber]

sorry I mean that the hp still decrease for the 1st hp bar, but it is observable that there is a "2nd layer", then when it reach 10% or something it regen the entire hp bar and this time as the 2nd hp bar depletes it no longer have a "2nd layer" left behind

[swift wharf]

hell no sentinel phase fucking sucked

[hollow shell]

Sounds a lil weird but, maybe

[blazing kettle]

i like it :(

[drowsy plank]

sucktinel phase lol lmao

[blazing kettle]

plus it lets me just beat them all up in one fell swoop with better gear

[small timber]

DOG phase 1, "bug phase", DOG phase 2

[crude geode]

Insert meme about profaned guardians here

[small timber]

profaned guardian is an ok fight now

[crude geode]

I meant the phase lol

[small timber]

oh, ya old profaned guardian was

[crude geode]

In Provi’s fight

[blazing kettle]

the guardians felt lazily added in

[small timber]

and now DoG also have cosmic guardian "head hitbox extender" phase (though not so much of a phase)

[drowsy plank]

boss minions appearing in their boss's fight is cool conceptually but it has never actually felt good

[crude geode]

Plantera?

[small timber]

plantera is more so an extension of the boss itself I feel

[hollow shell]

what

[small timber]

same with seeker in scal

[crude geode]

That’s prolly why it’s not as shit lol

[drowsy plank]

i meant like. sentinels + dog. guardians + provi. plantera doesn't like. summon the Eye of Cthulhu in the middle of the fight or something

[crude geode]

True

We should make the mechanical trio appear in Draedon fight

[swift wharf]

true...

[cobalt pewter]

sentinel phase sucks, but dog attacks that resemble sentinels would be nic e.....m

[blazing kettle]

there was this mod a while back on 1.3 and it added one joke boss, that being draedon. it was literally just a giant 🚆 shooting blue skeletron prime heads. this boss should be a real bos imo.;...,.;.;,,,

[drowsy plank]

add in hypnos but he summons the original 3 mechanical bosses

[swift wharf]

teeth dog teeth dog teeth dog

i need the signus rework (now with teeth) fabsol

[blazing kettle]

just give everyone teeth while your at it

[crude geode]

Signus already has teeth

The new rework just makes the sprite less. shit

[swift wharf]

needs more teeth

[gray nebula]

someone should code that it would be cool looking and never seen before

[safe oasis]

what if YOU coded it

[umbral sonnet]

I want a mod that allows you to use The Pack as an accessory

Idc what it does

I just want it

[errant wren]

hang on isn't the whole health bar thingy like the celestial pillars kinda?

[small timber]

kinda yeah

since cal dont have hp bar for pillars so I didnt thought of it

[drowsy plank]

the rocket launcher??

[swift wharf]

that would work for other bosses as well

like ravager

[small timber]

speaking of the pack

[umbral sonnet]

Yes

[small timber]

the other "the pack" had been garbage for a long time right?

[umbral sonnet]

I also want a mod that gives Ceaseless Void realistic teeth

[drowsy plank]

CV doesnt have a mouth

or a face

[umbral sonnet]

Give him one

[small timber]

oh god donor item

[umbral sonnet]

I need this mod

[small timber]

but I guess since it is just a buff (and that is counted as balance choice) so it should be fine?

[frosty trellis]

@inner anvil Holy shit quad tesla exoskeleton is cracked

That's like old Spine levels of cracked

[drowsy plank]

i think i remember this being talked about before?

[frosty trellis]

I thought that was pre-nerf

[small timber]

another one that is absolutely cracked is gael, though pretty sure that one is known

[frosty trellis]

Gael is sub 3 minute exos easily

[devout shell]

Ho-oh lookin ahh

[eternal escarp]

its a post exo weapon
we dont really care how good it is for exos then at the moment

[small timber]

gael is post scal right?

gael's greatsword not heavenly gale

[frosty trellis]

Gael

Is death mode SCal drop

Wat

[eternal escarp]

wait i thought you meant

heavenly gale

lol!

[frosty trellis]

No

HG is fine for SCal

[eternal escarp]

my bad then

i forgot gaels existed

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Most do

Gael's is fucking ridiculous

[small timber]

gael is busted yeah

[frosty trellis]

It's sub 3 minute exos with very little effort

[small timber]

it is on nohit timer on balanced gear, AND without using rage

[distant gyro]

wtf is a gael's greatsword

[eternal escarp]

idk but it sounds great..

[frosty trellis]

Let me show you how fast is it

[distant gyro]

more like melee speed bug 3

[eternal escarp]

trueee

[small timber]

yeah it is great, abit too great

[eternal escarp]

300 maybe

[frosty trellis]

@eternal escarp @distant gyro Gael's Greatsword is a deathmode scal drop that's 6 seconds above MNL with tester gear

93k average dps

[small timber]

and no rage right?'

[frosty trellis]

I mean rage itself wasn't used
The rage ability (the one that shoots the skulls) was used thrice

[small timber]

and gael is free rage which makes it potentially even more absurd

oh ok so at least that is accounted for

[frosty trellis]

Since I was careful with the ability to just not use rage

Since it's a 30 second cooldown with no indicator for some reason

Used it at the start to nuke Exo twins, used to to help nuke Ares in berserk, and used it to help chip exo twins down when they spawned after thanatos went to 70

[distant gyro]

eh

[frosty trellis]

I can do no rage ability if you want

[distant gyro]

how is 3 charges of rage on violence

[frosty trellis]

Like, using rage with Violence three times?

[distant gyro]

or however many you'd take with rage normally

[frosty trellis]

Bc Gael's doesn't use the rage damage

It replaces the rage meter with a burst of skulls

[distant gyro]

it doesn't but it's tested without for similarity sake

[inner anvil]

How did it become better after a nerf?

[frosty trellis]

I can try no rage ability

[frosty trellis]

Fk if I know

[distant gyro]

using rage with gael would be like using rage with any other weapon

[frosty trellis]

No no no

[distant gyro]

a skewer

[small timber]

the thing with gael is gael automatically generate rage meter

[frosty trellis]

I'm using the rage ability
Not the rage mode itself

[small timber]

so the only thing require is press the button, unlike other weapon where whether you have rage depends

[distant gyro]

rage automatically generates with exos anyway?

[small timber]

gael itself ensure you have rage (unlike other weapon which you can, say just run away and rage meter will drop down)

[frosty trellis]

The rage thing with Gaels Greatsword shoots out a burst of skulls instead of using the rage meter itself

[distant gyro]

yes i know that

[frosty trellis]

Does about 10% damage

I can try 3 rage with Violence

[distant gyro]

do raged violence, no rage violence, and no rage gael

[frosty trellis]

Could of used the rage ability more if there was any indication for it's cooldown

[frosty trellis]

Kk

[frosty trellis]

Rage Violence first (4 uses of rage were used)
No Rage Violence 2nd
No Rage Gaels 3rd (WAIT WHY WAS THAT FASTER WHAT) (I blame Thanatos)

Retested Gael's with rage and it was 2:20

So the rage ability sucks

Gael's is just death

[distant gyro]

so yeah

it's just the weapon itself being deathzone

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

The weapon itself can get under MNL with tester gear

Gael's is Rancor 2.0

Doesn't help that Ares likes to die mid blender and Thanatos mid GDR and twins just don't live long after Ohio

[small timber]

I tried it too (because I was bored), but ya about the same

[golden tulip]

3.47?

doesnt sound very cracked

[small timber]

scal is supposed to be 5:00

nohit timer (mnl) and the boss supposed killtime is different; mnl is much shorter

[golden tulip]

oh

then yea

[thin hill]

Incredible suggestion and reasoning

[small timber]

oh right I just remember 1 thing that is so minor that it is faster to just change it instead of suggesting for it

endurance buff should be '10% reduced damage taken' (though vanilla is also like this, calamity is just 5% instead)

[hot zephyr]

you have alerted the cursed being

[cobalt heath]

you can't do multiple suggs about the same thing

[crude geode]

“Make a massive mechanic bc (insert nothing)”

[hot zephyr]

the character can't speak it's a technical limitation

the terrarian only communicates in strange hurtsounds

[crude geode]

and eating glass

[hot zephyr]

mmm tasty

[cobalt heath]

do mods here use highlight's?

well it will get exclaimed anyways

[crude geode]

@tidal epoch cut down on specific ideas for interactions and focus instead on why the idea should be added

[hot zephyr]

listen to shell of what was by michael salvatori

[hot zephyr]

@frosty kindle

[tidal epoch]

Ok

Ehh, I still need to wait, I just wanted to add examples to every point, the rest were like 1/4 first the message

[cobalt heath]

You can just edit the sugg

[frosty kindle]

true

[crude geode]

Your sugg kinda needs to be in a single message

[hot zephyr]

you don't need examples

[tidal epoch]

Ok

But being honest I wanted to give a point with adding some just to get a good look to it, but give me a sec

Wait... Can I get an excception this time? I feel like the examples are part of the pint

[short walrus]

no exceptions

[tidal epoch]

Ok

[hot zephyr]

there are a few exceptions, provisos, quid pro quos

[cobalt pewter]

that AND violence

but yes

[tidal epoch]

Done

[cobalt heath]

👍

[lucid flare]

about damn time!!!!! yaho

[golden tulip]

like dead by da

[drowsy plank]

still seems like way too much effort to be reasonably implemented

[inner anvil]

Do they know? :clueless:

[wary canyon]

terrifying

[drowsy plank]

if there are actually plans to make NPCs useful, cool, it just seemed like an "outside of what cals wants to address" problem like fishing and farming

like we know they're issues but it'd be a lot to fix them

[frail mantle]

the user lacks critical context to understand what the other user is referring to

[inner anvil]

The user lacks critical context to understand what I'm referring to.

[thin hill]

The user lacks

[hybrid steeple]

The user

[devout shell]

The

[drowsy plank]

e

[hybrid steeple]

[tidal epoch]

I mean, is like a general menu to all npc's.
You click a question, get text and it dies there to click other option or close the mini-menu.

Like with Cal reforge

[hollow shell]

This sugg

<><><><><>

[cobalt pewter]

god

[hollow shell]

@tidal epoch Your suggestion is in dire need of more reason why and less specific examples

Why don't we just add more lore-related dialogue to their existing chat menu? Why does it need to be a whole new menu?

(which we already do a bit of, by the way)

[devout shell]

If i had to guess i think he wants more immersion

[tidal epoch]

The lore is complex like the abyss.

So it can get skipped if we get like 2 line dialogue every 100 talks with an NPC.
I completely skipped like 10 lines in my first time and kinda talked a lot with the NPC's

So I tought that the "Chat" idea or a dialogue system were a good idea to get a better aproach to the Lore, via the characters, even to know them better.

Idk, I mean there are other ideas to it, but in RPG's I kindda loved to talk to NPC's and with Calamity's lore being so Complex I tought it was a nice Idea

[small timber]

and turns out terraria is not rpg, it simply dont work the same

[tidal epoch]

And I mean, I thought that was enought reason, I mean, its a text mechanic to tell the lore via NPC

[small timber]

assuming the player plays vanilla before calamity/modded, they are already used to NPCs simply not have extensive dialogue like this, let alone important lore

[tidal epoch]

It wasn't a sanbox rpg?

[small timber]

so inserting 10 blocks of text here do not really work when the player is not even expecting it/not even gonna check it out, just because of their experience from vanilla

the better way to integrate lore (for terraria, imo at least) will be to integrate it as some form of "background lore" not through extensive rpg style dialogue

basically show, don't tell

[tidal epoch]

Not so much extensive, I meant at least 3-7 questions per NPC, some explaing something, a joke or just their toughts as habitants of the world of how the acid rain enemies can kill them in 1 hit on post moonlord

And its not like they need portraits, just like text and that is all

[small timber]

3-7 is a lot when the players' expectation is 0 (literally, because 99% of vanilla NPC beside Guide do not have any use whatsoever for their dialogue)

in a different context I feel it is fine, for terraria it do not fit

[tidal epoch]

Idk you, but I Disagree, I read the dialogue a lot

And If you don't know it it gives a shiton of inmersion if they react to an event, so a direct reaction in a mechanical interaction can give a lot of an idea of whats happening

[drowsy plank]

the
the amidias help dialogue

[tidal epoch]

And also it can help to get extra details on who tf is daedalus or who the hell is braelor.

Also the amidas help is more of progression, it doesn't explain the sunken sea at all or that calamitas sealed silva, damn even I never understood what were the crags or the astral biome until I saw the wiki.

[small timber]

why will the player care about who is daedalus and who is braelor?

it have 0 impact in the game, it is literally just piece of lore that explain the background of a background character

[tidal epoch]

The lore gets ignored as hell and terraria were simple enought to be explained via externals like the bestiary, but that doesn't means that the dialogues did nothing, because of the complexity of the lore a chat option can be something great to give a massive impulse to the lore on Calamity as an Internal explanation and Draedon / Boss items as an external

[small timber]

most lore got ignored because they have no impact in the game, nor is calamity trying to tell a story

if they have a main quest/main story then it is different, the thing is it is not

therefore lore is just for flavours

and with the current stage of the lore, most of them are just explaining "cool stuff happening in the background" rather than "interesting stuffs happening right now"

[drowsy plank]

gotta wait til the biome reworks/lore rewrite

[small timber]

99% of player who never touched calamity will not care about who silva, braelor, daedalus, statis is

[tidal epoch]

Excuse me, There is no fun if you dont understand nothing, as I said terraria were so simple that only dialogue were enought, but a game looses a ton of potential if you make a super complex lore just to kill random monsters without knowing what the hell is happening and WHO THE (CENSORED) is Yharim and what was his story.
Like, we can't know the villain in game and reading the wiki puts away a lot of the experience of learning mid-game

[drowsy plank]

yharim is easy he's the guy we're gonna beat the shit out of at the end of the game

plus draedon diagrams + lore items

[small timber]

terraria is a game where you kill 43 interesting bosses and progress the game

so no, they dont have to understand the lore in order to have fun

in fact now it is the exact opposite: you should be trying to make player care about the lore first before just shoehorn a bunch of lore NPC dialogues

[drowsy plank]

cal, drae, and yharim all have build up naturally from gameplay, the rest of these guys are basically just posers that are barely relevant besides like. silva because abyss

[small timber]

and the easiest way is of course to make lore more intergrated into the biomes/bosses they discovered

people will not find lore interesting from some NPC dialogue, especially coming from a position where they do not care about lore in the first place

[tidal epoch]

For example, calamitas dialogue makes no sense if you play blind as I did my first time.

It just breaks the whole context out of the window to see her telling she were suffering when you dont know her brothers and all, even worst, she talks like you know what happened at all like you must know it during the fight, so if you dont know about the wiki, bye-bye context

[small timber]

things like the new brimstone crag biome rework that have a crack from the abyss with a waterfall connecting into the biome: that is the stuff player will want to find out on lore of how it is formed

[unreal viper]

Lore is not real.

[tidal epoch]

Like, it feels empty to have a climax like a TP

[small timber]

not "actually pumpkin moon is a secret ... monster ... lore causing the event"

[tidal epoch]

Like, climbing a mountain getting in the end on the first step, and Terraria IS INTERESTING, like Calamity adds so much that the sole thing of the lore being ignored is bad.

[drowsy plank]

vanilla doesn't have lore it has funny jokes
red has contradicted himself so many times i dont believe there any sort of actual comprehensive story behind terraria besides "oh this is mildly interesting, make it canon"

[tidal epoch]

This is because they never get mentioned and 100% got intersted with the armors, like "WHO IS HE?" At the same level with the D. Stormbow

[tidal epoch]

Yep, but in terraria moonlord gets explained indirectly, in calamity I have never seen a Yharim's mention exept for "the tyrant" and we don't know who send the lore items in a blind game.

[tidal epoch]

Dude, the lore is what makes it fun to me, the history sound awesome as hell, why the toxic taking, like, really, this game is good and the lore is interesting.

[tidal epoch]

As I said, you are not all the world and I care about it because I like to know what is happening, ehat you say its "optimal" is like playing FF6 without dialogue

[frail mantle]

better lore integration is planned

however i wouldn't say just giving the npcs a separate menu to text dump you is the correct way to do it

[tidal epoch]

Maybe, IDK, i just feel that the vanilla dialogue is so RNG that you can get the same dialogue 100 times in a row

[eternal escarp]

because its flavour text, its not important things you are missing from those tbf

[tidal epoch]

I skipped a lot of diferent dialogue with the "I will be the best father figure you can even imagine"

[eternal escarp]

(except that one Luck message from the wizard which is a bad exception

[tidal epoch]

As I said, lore integration in a consistent dialogue system sound nice on my head

[small timber]

ok since this is obviously gonna be a complete parallel opinion situation here, I will just state my reason why I am against the suggestion:

personally I like lore, and will love to have it be more integrated into the game

however, I dont feel having NPCs speaking about them is the best way, because of the reason you mentioned: people are so used to NPCs being useless dialogue-wise (because of vanilla) that they will not bother checking, they are not the best place to put lore into because they have much higher chance to just get ignored

therefore imo if lore are to be implemented, it should be somewhere else than NPC dialogue; thats about it

[rugged belfry]

I like the approach Terraria’s developers have taken where they don’t have set lore. You can make one up to connect things but I enjoy freeform lore where whatever explanation I make is correct in my eyes.

[serene tendon]

Tbh for a game like Terraria I kind of agree

Similar to the Bloons games and Minecraft

[orchid briar]

However in a mod like Calamity, where there is a clear attempt at a story that you're playing through, a concrete lore and story is important

[frail mantle]

@hardy tendon the mod is moving away from having challenge-locked content

this includes nohit rewards

[hardy tendon]

ah ok

didn’t know that

[frosty trellis]

Also there was a nohit item prior to it being removed @hardy tendon
If you want something to help with nohitting download Nycro's Nohit Efficiency Mod

[hardy tendon]

i don’t want help to no hit bosses and stuff

i just want special weapons or accessories if i no hit it

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

you should read the pins then because that would be explicitly against the suggestion rules

lol

[ruby plover]

The suggestions are bountiful today

[gilded scroll]

quantity over quality, it seems

as per usual, with this server

[keen zodiac]

calamity players basic reading comprehension challenge (99% fail)

[crude geode]

I’m surprised Carlonix’s sugg is still not exclaimed for having very little reasoning and possibly taking a long time to do

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt be the first time something lingered in sugg posting lmao

[frosty trellis]

Carlonix's sugg is though

13 ❗

[crude geode]

I do not see that

Mobile pisscord moment?

[crude geode]

There we go, got it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[crude geode]

I blame pisscord

[gray nebula]

should have an option that's like "Who're you"? and it engages you in a pseudo mini discussion line with fake choices that dont matter but worldbuild

[cobalt pewter]

VN

[hollow shell]

[swift wharf]

something is happening behind yhe the curtains

[small timber]

Quick time event to select the correct dialogue to progress the conversation

If you failed the NPC gets unhappy and increase price permanently

[swift wharf]

god of war flashbacks

[hollow shell]

PotionCraft Alchemist Simulator

Also any Quantic Dream (David Cage) game

[frosty trellis]

@bright crag Phoenix Flame Barrage is... Really bad

[hollow shell]

What else is new

[small timber]

Try burning sky on pure mage setup

Just for the memes

[bright crag]

Your accessories seem pretty mid
Only one true offensive acc...?

I'm not entirely sure but I think I covered PFB
Though, what the weapon truly needs is a rework

[small timber]

Though what even is a good postDog pure offensive accessory (except class one), dont really have anything that come to my mind

Amalgam and DSA I guess? And RTN maybe

I feel at that stage mage is just lacking accessory besides just 15% damage emblems at that point

[frosty trellis]

Okay give me more mage accessories

What am I supposed to use?

[small timber]

Chaos stone can work but that one is only worth on super high mana cost weapon

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[bright crag]

RTN is solid

[frosty trellis]

RTN can skew shit bc Armor pen is a terrible mechanic

[bright crag]

Chaos Stone is good too, but it can be funny with high firerate weapons

[frosty trellis]

Wasn't using Amalgam since I have a dodge

Just retest with RTN then?

RTN over Affliction or DSR?

[bright crag]

DSR I think

This talk just reminds me that before I start doing the full test of Mage, I'll need to go over which setups are "average"

Including accs and armor

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Pre DoG two of your offensive slots basically has to be Mana Flower or an upgrade and your normal mage accessory

Also another question: Why does mage have no crit

[crude geode]

mana flower?

[maiden narwhal]

ur mad that im right

[hollow shell]

You're late

[maiden narwhal]

so

that is completely irrelevant

[hollow shell]

The Don't, the resprite, or you being late?

[maiden narwhal]

what does pointing that out do for you or anyone here

me being late obviously

[hollow shell]

Twas a joke

[maiden narwhal]

okay

[hollow shell]

But yeah Yharon does have that redesign in the works already

[maiden narwhal]

okay nice

im glad

[bright crag]

Wdym?

[hollow shell]

It'll get finished eventually but probably not soon
It's a big undertaking, and the artist who was working on it is not on the team anymore

[bright crag]

^

[maiden narwhal]

why isnt he

[bright crag]

It's not that simple

[crude geode]

is mana regen really not enough

[hollow shell]

*she And it was mainly burnout, losing passion in the project

[small timber]

I had been thinking what if just change the sandshark and rtn to be just inflict armor crunch on all class

[maiden narwhal]

okay

[small timber]

That way while it is generally stronger at least it will not have supernormal performance on high fire rate weapon

[crude geode]

would be inconsistent with normal shark tooth necklace

and it would be kinda weird to change an iconic acc. like shark tooth

[small timber]

Then at this point just delink it from sharktooth yeah

Since they are already not upgraded from stinger necklace anyway

[crude geode]

better idea: delete great sand shark

[hollow shell]

hrm

[hollow shell]

"hrm" to this

[crude geode]

yeah I figured

[hollow shell]

This is not "hrm"

[crude geode]

it's extremely unlikely to happen even tho I would love it to

post-plant is kinda bloated as is and doesn't really need another miniboss

[hollow shell]

GSS will eventually get tier-shifted, that is in our plans

[crude geode]

I thought I remembered that

[hollow shell]

.

[maiden narwhal]

what is your banner from

[hollow shell]

Omori

[maiden narwhal]

okay

[frosty trellis]

@bright crag Exos. Need to make dinner so will do SCal later
Armor pen is a dumb mechanic

[hollow shell]

Not too much better, but better

[frosty trellis]

Why does Melee/Ranger/Rogue generally have 70-90% crit on everything post DoG and mage has 57-67?

[frosty trellis]

No it's a full minute better

Armor pen is stupid

[hollow shell]

((I dunno what ideal Exos killtime is))

[frosty trellis]

6:00

[hollow shell]

I see

Aight yeah checks out then

[frosty trellis]

Also here is all of the boss kts

[hollow shell]

Phoenix has tons of lil projs

[small timber]

Because silva just have lower crit iirc

Because half the armor is used for summoner

[frosty trellis]

Ic

[hollow shell]

Slap a ton of crit on the mage helm

[frosty trellis]

Can just give the mage helm more cirt

[small timber]

It is also a wonder that ranger auric just have 30% crit and damage

While other class is 20

[tardy geyser]

arcane flower (the combination of mana flower and putrid scent) should give about 3% damage and crit yeah or nah?

[hollow shell]

Theming I guess?

[errant bobcat]

Ranger weapons often have high crit chances too

As well as acc

And might focus on sniping like daawnlight and all the various sniping weapons

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

And soma Prime double crits

[crude geode]

buffing mana flower is entirely unnecessary

[frosty trellis]

True

[tardy geyser]

why?

[hollow shell]

It's already a vital mage acc

[crude geode]

the accessory is a braindead way of ignoring the most vital mechanic of mage

managing your mana

[tardy geyser]

currently magnet flower is better in every way since aggro reduction is useless

[drowsy plank]

arcane doesn't keep putrid's effects but it does increase mana reduction from 8% to 20% already so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy geyser]

its 12% now

[hollow shell]

Okay that's what you mean

The Mana Flower upgrade choices

[drowsy plank]

wait is it 12% and not 20%

[tardy geyser]

yes it was nerfed, magnet flower is 12 too

[frosty trellis]

Calamity nerf

[small timber]

Ok god slayer is 35% damage 30% crit
Silva (mage) is 47% damage 33% crit

[crude geode]

blame cal's focus on boss fights instead?

[drowsy plank]

no calamity change, vanilla has it at 8% still

ugh fuckin

the wiki is outdated gonna go fix that

[small timber]

Huh I guess the weapon itself have lower crit then

[frosty trellis]

That or just lack of crit buffs on accessories

[drowsy plank]

ok that should be fixed now

[frosty trellis]

Quiver and Scope is like 20% crit, no?

[small timber]

Ranger just have a lot of crit in general because of scope so probably not the best reference, maybe use like melee

[crude geode]

oh wow I never realized putrid scent is just. free damage and crit.

what a weird accessory

actually...

[small timber]

5% damage 5% crit generally is worse than emblem 15% I think, unless you already have emblem and want damage stacking

[drowsy plank]

10% each so i guess that would be 20% total if ur using a bow

[small timber]

Wait quiver is 10% not 5?

[crude geode]

none of the accessories crafted with putrid scent inherit it's damage and crit

god

[drowsy plank]

Recon Scope and Stalker's Quiver are 10%

[crude geode]

that accessory is so funky

[frosty trellis]

Quiver is 5

Ele Gauntlet is 5 and C.Shell is 4

[drowsy plank]

Sniper Scope is 7%, Magic Quiver is 5% and Molten Quiver is 7%

[frosty trellis]

Tailsman is 5% crit

[drowsy plank]

lmao ele quiv gives less crit than recon that's funny. i suppose it gives 15% damage instead of 10% but i dunno which is better for pure damage

[small timber]

Crit is better

The closer your damage is to your crit the higher your dps; since you generally have more damage than crit therefore crit is better

[drowsy plank]

ele does give reduced ammo and increase proj speed too, so i guess that's the tradeoff

plus it isn't bow restricted

Nihility is still better than Recon tho for Obvious Reasons

[small timber]

Deadshoot broach on the other hand is just mini ele quiver with 5% less damage

Nihility is very situational last time I tried

Unless there is specific weapon that can benefit from it

[crude geode]

I totally forgot that ranged acc. existed

what a boring upgrade

[frosty trellis]

Nihility I just found like outright bad without lum arrows

In which with lum arrows bye bye you poor fool

[small timber]

Last time I tried it on was monsoon + luminite/bloodflare on dog, on both it is better to just use an emblem

On yharon it is maybe ok, on other boss you cant really position properly to maximize its usage

[frosty trellis]

Alluvion + Lumite with quiver on Yharon I've seen do dumb things

Not as dumb as Karasawa + Rubber Mortar Rounds but dumb

[crude geode]

anyways balance aside can we kill mana flower even tho I just mentioned that shark tooth necklace, being such an iconic acc would never change

[frosty trellis]

Can we remove armor pen as a mechanic

[small timber]

Mana flower is needed on some weapon so probably no (aka prism)

At max make the mana sickness downside bigger/scale faster I think

[crude geode]

couldn't you just.

press the quick mana pot button

[tardy geyser]

i personally dont use flower since i do think its just a slot waster but arcane flower should atleast be as strong as its counterparts

[frosty trellis]

Have fun doing that with Yharims Crystal

[crude geode]

it'd make it less of a braindead weapon where you hold left click

[small timber]

Pressing manually = you have to press it before you run out of mana, or the weapon stop = significantly lower dps

[crude geode]

also yharim's crystal is lame anyways

[small timber]

(and no carpal tunnel please)

I will rather take a 75% mana sickness than having to press mana pots manually, it is just 2 extra thing you are forced to keep reminding to do

[frosty trellis]

I like to forget my quick mana key exists

Yeah

[small timber]

1 to pay attention to mana (always), 1 to press the button

[frosty trellis]

Ah yes, let me do that while fighting Exos

Surely that won't kill me

[crude geode]

do you really have to pay attention to your mana with current mana flower

[tardy geyser]

yea thats fair, i use mouse 4 for quick mana and think im pretty quick about pressing it when im of mana but there is still a significant amount of time were im not attacking

[small timber]

No because with mana flower you dont have to

But to press manually you have to (with prism/hold button weapon) which turns out often are also the highest mana consumption weapon

[crude geode]

that's the problem I have with mana flower

that you don't have to pay attention to the key component of mage, MANA.

[frosty trellis]

Okay? And I don't want to be pressing my quick mana key every 1-2 seconds while I'm trying to not fucking die

You still get the downside of mana sickness, it's just automatic

[small timber]

The thing is that you will manage without mana flower on most weapon, but on some weapon it is essential

Therefore to not make those weapons unusable mana flower should stay

[frosty trellis]

YES

THANK YOU

I ACTUALLY LIKE USING AETHERFLUX CANNON TYVM

[small timber]

Because the alternative is to stack mana cost reduction, which good luck after they just nerfed the 20% ones and arcane being really terrible right now

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

And the devs said no to making arcane reduce Mana cost

[crude geode]

aetherflux needs mana pot spam? even more of a lazy weapon then smh my head
then maybe rework the weapons to be less. hold left click? that or I'm underestimating the current max of mana sickness

what is it currently?

[frosty trellis]

It's a 25% damage decrease at max iirc

[crude geode]

blegh

[frosty trellis]

Oh nvm it's 46% not 25

It's fairly high

[crude geode]

in cal?

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

At this point just make arcane have stacking bonus or something

Like having 2 arcane accessory = reduce mana cost, 4 = higher mana regen, 6 = fixed mana regeneration (eg: 5/s even when using weapon) or something like that

[crude geode]

weird

[frosty trellis]

It's like 16% minimum

[small timber]

Also iirc mana sickness is 50% max, and a multiplier to your damage not just -50% damage

[crude geode]

I assume they changed the formula cuz in vanilla it's 50% max

so like 4% buff is kinda weird

[small timber]

It is not shown as 50% since right after you consume mana potion it fall off slightly

[crude geode]

wacky

is there any actual plans surrounding arcane

in terms of devplans.png

[glass arch]

if i had to guess probably not

[grim tusk]

Aetherflux pretty much needs Chaos stone

[glass arch]

is it just me or do more people not like chaos stone

[frosty trellis]

My 5:30 Exos kt with Talisma/DSR/Affliction would like a word with you

[grim tusk]

Outdated

[grim tusk]

Impressive

Even with 2 stat sticks you got under killtime

[frosty trellis]

I mean I don't like using RTN if I can avoid it

[grim tusk]

As long as an item barely affects the player in a negative way, people do not like it

[frosty trellis]

I don't use Amalgam for exos testing since I use Void Sash

[glass arch]

i should use it more but i either forget it exists or use a different accessory

[frosty trellis]

Can go Talis/RTN/Chaos and see how crazy Aetherflux can be

[grim tusk]

Yea the issue with Aetherflux is that if it gets buffed without considering the horror that is RtN. It becomes “perfectly balanced”

[grim tusk]

It is crazy as shit, go nuts

[frosty trellis]

Aetherflux doesn't need RTN

Phoenix Flame Barrage needs RTN to be 30 seconds over testing time

[glass arch]

what does aetherflux do with rtn

[frosty trellis]

I'm about to see

Tali/RTN/Chaos Stone

[grim tusk]

Well better keep it that way

[frosty trellis]

And just see how crazy it gets

[frosty trellis]

That's for exos but yeah

Thanatos

Is pain

[grim tusk]

Fast weapon + RtN = HORROR

[frosty trellis]

And the opening for Thanatos needs a full overhaul bc it's dumb

[glass arch]

i can see why

[small timber]

I still like the sandshark/rtn become armor crunch instead of armor pen idea ^

[glass arch]

that extra 15 armor pen is stupid

[grim tusk]

Hmm it at least does good on the other 2 mechs right?

[frosty trellis]

Great for Ares, decent for twins

[grim tusk]

Cuz not everything has to be on killtime if it shreds the others

[small timber]

just have to delink the line from sharktooth necklace, which can be done just by renaming to like "sand sharktooth medallion" or something

[grim tusk]

Like Seared Pan for example

Horrible vs Thanathos

Shreds twins

[frosty trellis]

Aetherflux is garbo on Thanatos and it still shreds

[grim tusk]

Sounds just like the Pan (pre-nerf)

[grim tusk]

And people say mage is bad

[glass arch]

yeah mage is only bad for DoG

[frosty trellis]

Eidolon Staff and Victriolic Viper both being a minute or more under testing time

Would like to have a word

[glass arch]

oh yeah

[small timber]

mage still has darkspark at the very least

yeah viper is decent

never tried eidolon

[frosty trellis]

Viper and Eidolon are both better than spark

[glass arch]

i keep forgetting eidolon staff exists

[frosty trellis]

Viper by 20-30 seconds, Eidolon can get 2:30 if you can manage the lag

[glass arch]

i gotta use eidolon when i get to DoG

[ruby plover]

how good is eidelon on OD?

[frosty trellis]

Can Thanatos die

Or at leas the openings mechanic cease to exist

It makes P5 Thanatos increasibly inconsistent and I hate it

[glass arch]

what mech has the lowest hp? i feel like its thanatos because hes always died relatively fast for me

[small timber]

thanatos has the lowest HP and (literally) negative DR because of the opening mechanic

[frosty trellis]

Thanatos is prone to being melted bc he has no DR and a stupid mechanic

[small timber]

(also need to try eidolon staff on OD)

[frosty trellis]

I doubt it's any good for OD

[small timber]

OD it weird in that burst damage weapon is way better than consistent damage weapon

[grim tusk]

Great job, do scal now

Also, Thanathos might get looked at when combo attacks happen but that will be a very long time

[cobalt pewter]

I've said that ever since I fought exos for the first time, but no, it's apparently """intended"""

i gave up tbh

[grim tusk]

Me when Tarragon Darts SOMEHOW shreds OD resting phases despite not being a worm

I want that item reworked so bad

[cobalt pewter]

trying to push reworks to Thanos' vent system is like running into a brick wall

https://tenor.com/view/brick-wall-talk-gif-5290288

[crude geode]

it really is

[ruby plover]

the vents are fine

[frosty trellis]

Oh yay, the hearts will be fun

[frosty trellis]

No bc it just insentivises melting Thanatos and some weapons become absolutely unviable

[ruby plover]

hmm, that is kinda true

i dont really think its such a horrid system though
just could be changed a lil

[small timber]

definitely not optimal because I dont play mage

at least it have the added benefit of making the sharks useless by freezing them constantly

[ruby plover]

hmm, seems alright

[small timber]

(oh wait OD killtime is 3:00, so this is ok)

[ruby plover]

but i dont think it existing on tier with DoG is okay

its not even "use it in a specific way to make your game lag"

[small timber]

it is post polter right?

[ruby plover]

just fire it and watch the frames die

yes, it is

[small timber]

oh frames

[glass arch]

i wonder how many fps i can get down to by using eidolon staff on DoG

[crude geode]

good sugg

[small timber]

I still remember the old phantasmal ruin on DoG, it was funny

use it on an average PC and you drop to 20 frames

[ruby plover]

why did it even lag?

[small timber]

it summoned like 20 skulls instead of 2 (right now)

on each hit

[ruby plover]

ah

[crude geode]

I remember bringing up reworking it to work more like thanatos' exoskele so you could choose what variety of spells you cast

[ruby plover]

thanatos exoskeleton lo

but yeah that sounds good
or even just left/right click functionality split

[crude geode]

yeah

it's just. really weird in it's current form

[frosty trellis]

@grim tusk I am not doing that again but 1:26% death should give you how Aetherflux is on SCal
Sepulture sucks

[small timber]

soon™

[frosty trellis]

Aetherflux does -2 damage to the hearts regardless

[small timber]

that is roughly 2 more damage than oracle on hearts

[frosty trellis]

It takes so long even using silva immunity to tank hits and stay in a line

LOL

[small timber]

wait I remember aetherflux actually being ok on hearts, let me check

[frosty trellis]

Setup I'm using for this

It's one of the slower options that's for sure

Just takes awhile

[small timber]

yeah I will just yoink it

[frosty trellis]

LOL

That's why I gave it to you

Since Ik you don't play mage

I love mage

[glass arch]

same

[crude geode]

I really love that the wand and void vortex are kinda just. the only original weapons post yharon for mage (not counting post scal/exo)

[small timber]

I just dont play mage for a while since for a long time potion selling npc dont exist and you have to maintain mana regen and magic power
and have potion selling got added I havent do actual pt (besides nohit) yet

[frosty trellis]

Oh I just only use magic power/aureus cells bc I don't sit there and wait for my mana to regen ever

LOL

[frosty trellis]

Also this looks fine (Maybe even slightly offensive)

Oh there is no mana flower

That's why

[crude geode]

also no mana regen band (mana regen band my dense accessory)

I wish vanilla had a suggestion channel because god what the fuck is celestial cuffs

[small timber]

ok there

finally 1 time sep dont stand in the way (glad it is getting removed)

basically positioning matters alot

[frosty trellis]

Basically needs to be perfect

I am unfortunately not that good at scal

[drowsy plank]

simple; bad!

[fathom aspen]

Does Calamity have any plan about interaction with shimmer in the future yet?

[short walrus]

no public plans (if you're asking to suggest something, don't bother, future content is a Don't)

aside from making rod of harmony (and only rod of harmony) post game

[fathom aspen]

Ik, wasn't putting suggestions

[eternal escarp]

@dry sinew that is a planned thing when TMod has support for achievements

[dry sinew]

oh neat

[drowsy plank]

lmao so many "add a feature tmod doesn't have support for" suggs

[golden tulip]

good sugg but bad examples lmao

nohit scal achievement

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

night time provi is a good example imo
the rest are, ech yeah

[drowsy plank]

collect every armor set seems

weird

you could probably just add one for crafting auric armor, some other small stuff like what vanilla does

it could help guide players through progression in a lot of places

[eternal escarp]

"Craft the (semi obscure) Weapon"

rainbow rod achievment moment

[frail mantle]

@tame mountain preferably wait until you've tried out/seen future content in-game before making suggestions about it

[tame mountain]

okay, sorry

[frail mantle]

don't worry about it

if we get to the crag/sunken sea overhauls and they have no custom backgrounds you can suggest it again

they probably will though

[tame mountain]

okay

[gray nebula]

just sprite a giant ahh new bg for something 99.99% of players will not experience

[grim tusk]

@fathom aspen i think its planned

[fathom aspen]

It's planned? Oh

[grim tusk]

Keep sugg

[fathom aspen]

Okay

[tardy smelt]

I hate that emoji so much

[devout shell]

Isnt that the beauty of it though?

[drowsy plank]

tbf craig i think is gonna try and get new backgrounds but hell overrides nearly everything, and for sunken sea ur... not supposed to break the background walls anyway so like??

[frosty trellis]

Sunken Sea Pylons crying

[drowsy plank]

sunken sea pylon going to HELL

i dont even think it exists yet?

oh nvm it does im dumb

i remember something being mentioned about it

[gray nebula]

strongest "um well vanilla doesn't let us replace hells bg" user

versus weakest "almost nothing is impossible with mods" user

u could make the game stop running if you really wanted to and it'd be super simple

[swift wharf]

shader bomb

[serene tendon]

Personally I think RoH should be post-DoG and give the summoner damage penalty.

[gray nebula]

????

what did they mean by this...

[serene tendon]

I'm saying I think Rod Of Harmony should be Post-DoG, not endgame

[gray nebula]

what did they mean by this...

[tardy geyser]

why only post dog? make it pre mech so you can cheese more bosses with it

[serene tendon]

Tbh infinite teleports sound a lot more OP than they actually are. Same with Insignia (in vanilla, the change is justified in Cal due to tracers being a thing)

[gray nebula]

???

[serene tendon]

The only class it'd be OP for is summoner

[tardy geyser]

[gray nebula]

just keep teleporting in one direction to dodge everything

[serene tendon]

So? You can't hurt the boss while doing that. It'll just make the fight a standstill

[gray nebula]

ok consdier

quickswapping

have u seen nohitters n all

they can swap to rod , teleport, instantly go back to damage

[serene tendon]

I know. I do it myself. Doing that once every 15 seconds and once every second or so is different.

[gray nebula]

exactly

and i mean even if it stalls the fight like

if theres an attack you dont like dodging you can just freely dodge

w roh

and then go back to attacking inbetween attacks or when the attacks get easier

[serene tendon]

Fair point there

I guess I was assuming that you'd either spam it (like you said here: "just keep teleporting in one direction to dodge everything") or use it barely ever.

[grim tusk]

Summoner

[serene tendon]

I was suggesting RoH should give the summoner damage penalty

[grim tusk]

RoH will be a situation similar to pre-nerf Glorious End

[gray nebula]

well u can spam it and then stop for a while

[grim tusk]

That also gave dmg penalty

[gray nebula]

also its just a damage penalty

[grim tusk]

But who gives a fuck if you cant die

[gray nebula]

not a full damage removal cuz itd be weird

[serene tendon]

Wait, Glorious End's I-frames got nerfed?

[gray nebula]

having a summon out and just waiting longer for the boss to die, if you still can have a free fight, some players will just do that

and get bored

but theyll do it

i mean

[serene tendon]

True

[gray nebula]

it depends on how fun the boss is to fight, cuz if a boss is fun enough playters wont want to cheese it as much

[grim tusk]

Yes, you are no longer immortal

[serene tendon]

I guess postgame is a better idea.

[serene tendon]

Ok, good. Never used that thing for that purpose so I didn't know, I just watched Git's video and thought "huh, that's a thing I will never do".

[swift wharf]

make RoH post dog
make it not usable during boss fights

[serene tendon]

Although you could still cheese AEW or Boss Rush with RoH if it was postgame.

[drowsy plank]

when the
when the item does not work during boss fights

[swift wharf]

trolololo

[grim tusk]

AeW just exists

[drowsy plank]

also AEW isn't gonna be a superboss forever, but yeah RoH would help with Boss Rush

[serene tendon]

Am I the only one who liked that recalls didn't work during boss fights?

[swift wharf]

boss rush boring

roh changes nothing

jharim however

[gray nebula]

i mean u can just not use it

thumby!

99% of players wont use recalls during bossfights

[swift wharf]

^

[gray nebula]

but a lot bigger portion of them may have gotten annoyed in mutiplayer when others were doing bossfights while they were doing other stuff

[serene tendon]

Except to break sequence with tissue samples and scales

[swift wharf]

and when you forgot some gear

[swift wharf]

you can do that without recall

like leaving the game

[drowsy plank]

dying too

[swift wharf]

leaving the game now kills you

[gray nebula]

u dont need recall u can just DIE ⚡

ye

[serene tendon]

True, but this made the answer less obvious

[swift wharf]

uhhhh and

[drowsy plank]

niko oneshot?!/!1? in calamity mod?!?!?1?

[swift wharf]

sequence breaking funny

(except when it's way too funny but we don't mention that)

[serene tendon]

I guess I don't have enough experience with larger servers (or any for that matter) To think about that. Just small servers with friends where we always fight bosses together

[gray nebula]

well yea obv but

Farming bosses:

[serene tendon]

true

[serene tendon]

Will it be changed to be actually good, or will it become an actual boss and still suck?

[drowsy plank]

i dunno lmao

[serene tendon]

Fair

[gray nebula]

imagine i sent agni fire punch

[swift wharf]

i wish it died

[drowsy plank]

the fight being good/bad is subjective anyway lol

[gray nebula]

kino

[swift wharf]

and just spawned to kill you and and despawn

[gray nebula]

subjectivity is too mid u can still figure out some general consensus

[serene tendon]

Then just make it immortal lol

[swift wharf]

no

that way ppl would try to fight it

[drowsy plank]

i mean obvs but asking like "will the fight be made good" is like. idk man ur gonna have to play it when it gets changed and figure that out

[undone cedar]

Quality is subjective mfs when content can actually be analyzed objectively to determine its quality

[gray nebula]

OR watch the public react

i havent foguthe it myself but from seeing clips AND seeing the public reception it doesnt seem Kino

[swift wharf]

[serene tendon]

True, but it feels like the devs just slapped random things onto an enemy and gave it stupid HP and damage. More like bad in that way because obviously you can still enjoy it

[gray nebula]

kino

[swift wharf]

it's kinda supposed to be dungeon guardian 2 so like

[frosty trellis]

I think the only bad thing with AEW is the horizontal lightning dash

[swift wharf]

(I wish it was just that)

[drowsy plank]

AEW has Lunatic Cultist attacks just like how Dungeon Guardian has Skeletron's skull projectiles

[swift wharf]

like when you use RoD in the abyss it just spawns from nowhere, instantly rams into you and kills you, and leaves

[frosty trellis]

Since the reaction time needed to dodge it is, unreasonable at times

Spawning is pain fair

Spawning can suck, the horizontal lightning dash has no telegraphs and is unreasonably hard to dodge

[drowsy plank]

tbh i would like AEW to become an actual boss but like. with more time and effort put into it because it is a really cool concept and spawning method for a boss. just needs some of its own attacks that aren't just LC's or upscaled baby wyrm's and drops besides halibut cannon

[serene tendon]

Definitely

[swift wharf]

oh yeah aren't eidolists supposed to not be related to cultists anymore

eidolists or wyrm idr

[serene tendon]

Why shouldn't they be? They have the same robes and stuff

[drowsy plank]

i think they meant the wyrms

eidolists obvs are tho

they literally drop the LC spawn item lmao

[serene tendon]

Don't the Eidolists worship the worm though? I think Eidolon literally means something that is worshipped

[gray nebula]

well

maybe

but consider

: Yet another post ml endgame boss

[frosty trellis]

Okay but then it's more unique