suggestions-discussion

[sage drum]

the exo suggestion thingy draedon arsenel armor something something

[swift wharf]

yes

[maiden narwhal]

that is good suggesstion

[eternal escarp]

oh
that convo also ended

[crude geode]

Permafrost irrelevant when wizard exists

[lucid flare]

wait no i think it was permafrost dropping mana upgrades

[sage drum]

oh yeah, that one

[eternal escarp]

in that case i will pulverizd myself from this channel

[golden tulip]

i think blast gets a psychic ping anytime someone mentions deerclops

[swift wharf]

how is permafrost still alive...

[eternal escarp]

i awake from my slumber

[lucid flare]

cryogenic stasis

[crude geode]

Sex jokes

[lucid flare]

or however you say it

[hot zephyr]

i hate deerclopa

[swift wharf]

dear heavens

[sage drum]

frozen in the snow biome by a hungry deerclops that uses you for propaganda

[eternal escarp]

i hate youa

:)

[sage drum]

new suggestion to remove that dialogue line

[swift wharf]

deerclops is so cool I wish dont starve was real

[crude geode]

It is it’s a seed

[sage drum]

i wish terraria was real so i could mount duke fishron

[swift wharf]

holy frick

[swift wharf]

It's from cirrus so 0% of it happening

[lucid flare]

i wish terraria was real so i could

[sage drum]

wait, if it's a dialogue line, i am allowed to quote it in the server, right?

[lucid flare]

i forgot how i was going to finish this joke

[swift wharf]

no you are not allowed

[sage drum]

oh

[gilded scroll]

imagine liking Deerclops. imagine liking such an easy and shitty boss.

better in DST

[sage drum]

do not, you will awaken him again

[gilded scroll]

🙂

[crude geode]

Reworking fossil armor instead of desert prowler seems kinda. weird

[golden tulip]

desert prowler was reworked

[frosty trellis]

Yeah desert prowler was reworked like 2 months ago

[crude geode]

Having two ranged sets is still kinda. weird

[hot zephyr]

fossil armor bad

collectively forget it exists

NOW

[zealous remnant]

I wish calamity could be played on console

I'm getting a pc soon anyways can't wait

But it would be so fucking cool if terraria mods were on console

[crude geode]

Maybe instead of giving more purpose to an outdated armor we could just. give the smokebomb function to fossil and then delete desert prowler?

[sage drum]

do not delete desert prowler because it looks dapper

[hot zephyr]

absolutely L take

cursed being found posting cringe in suggdisc

[crude geode]

ik, I do it 24/7

[hot zephyr]

don't ruin cool content by tying it to vanilla's dogshit handling of their own shit

rogue lost obsidian armor idk make fossil rogue

[crude geode]

I love mod compatibility

[hot zephyr]

all those mods that use fossil armor

[half sage]

this is a certified SIS moment

[crude geode]

truely

[sage drum]

that suggestion needs no comment

[hybrid steeple]

at least its actually funny

[golden tulip]

pretty... interesting

[gray nebula]

this is a certified file size bloat

[radiant meadow]

Wdym adding all of Levi's old sprites isn't a good idea

Perfectly fine

[unreal viper]

Got it.

[sand ermine]

the sis

the sis is real

[swift wharf]

this is a good suggestion

[little stag]

woah thanks

[drowsy plank]

god not to dig up an old convo but arsenal armor is a fucking awful idea

it's giving me flashbacks to like 3 updates ago where the mage meta was Tesla Cannon on Yharon, but the power scaling was so bad that it was optimal to make TWO of them and switch them during Yharon's phase transition

and it saved like an entire minute on the fight

awful

[drowsy plank]

👍

[marble moat]

why would it be optimal to make 2?

[sand ermine]

because of draedon battery power

[drowsy plank]

i mean i said why. the power scaling. as you use the weapon, the power decreases, as the power decreases, the damage goes down. since you can't charge during fights, it was optimal to make two of them and switch to the second during phase transition

[marble moat]

oh really? i didnt know that

[drowsy plank]

yeah i mean

it isn't anymore

cause they fixed it

but it used to be a lot worse on tesla specifically

[marble moat]

charge doesnt decrease power anymore right?

[drowsy plank]

no it still does

[sage drum]

oh god, i tried that, and i just decided to use a different weapon because it was so annoying

[drowsy plank]

just not as severely on that specific item

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[marble moat]

i honestly didnt know charge mattered i thought it just was like ammo or smth

[sage drum]

and after dog, i was kinda done with mage at that point

[drowsy plank]

damn

[sage drum]

in conclusion, charge sucks

mage also isn't great either but thats a different topic

[frosty trellis]

30-60 seconds but yeah

[drowsy plank]

60 seconds is a minute lmao

[frosty trellis]

True

It wasn't always like a full minute but yeah

Thankfully double tesla meta is dead

[small timber]

Sorry abit late but isnt the entire point of Angling kit is to allow the player to skip the Angler quest?

They literally leave in a hidden mechanic to allow you to get Golden Fishing Rod immediately if you are at HM

Because it is either fix Angler's garbage fishing quest reward system or to allow the player to skip it, and the later is easier

[cobalt pewter]

yep

the entire point of Angling Kits is to (almost entirely) skip Angler

[drowsy plank]

fishing sucks, bad sugg, i didn't even read it at first bc i thought it said something else lol

while i personally don't have a bad time fishing

i go out of my way to build an all biome (including modded) fishing farm every time i play so

i am the exception and not the rule

and even then

they still suck

the quests i mean

[cobalt pewter]

fishing sucks

(no exceptions for me, fishing just fucking sucks)

[glass arch]

its very tedious

[drowsy plank]

unless the cal devs pull a fishing rework out of their ass there's no way in hell the angler kits would get this change

[small timber]

1 quest a day only for angler to give you complete garbage vanity, decorative or duplicated accessory is just garbage

[cobalt pewter]

hell, even if they reworked fishing to be not ass, would they even still bother keeping the angling kits

[small timber]

If anything if they are actually reworking angling kit at least make it so every quest completed give you an angling kit (beside all the usual trash decorative item reward you get)

That way at least there is proper reward behind actually attempting the quest

[drowsy plank]

that would be cool

tbf one kit already gives the same amount of drops as a quest, but getting a guaranteed kit to get the useful stuff would be nice

[short walrus]

Even just making it so you could do 2 or 3 quests a day would make it less tedious

[small timber]

I think just make it no cooldown since if it is like 2 quest per day it will be weird in that you can miss timing and miss the quest

[glass arch]

for most of the time it feels to me like it takes a lot longer than just a day to get a single quest fish

[small timber]

No cooldown, reset (new objective fish) every 4:30 am maybe

[crude geode]

they changed it in 1.4.4 yet they left the vanity sets in as an actual reward which is ass

[glass arch]

in vanilla ive only ever gotten one quest fish from fishing for hemopiranhas

[drowsy plank]

was about to make a suggestion about leaf wings before noticing 1.4.4 finally just moved them to post-Plantera where they belong and adequately buffed them lmao

[crude geode]

1.4.4 is a good update

can't wait for the next one they totally don't do

[cobalt pewter]

dead cells crossover

but uh yeah 1.4.4 good

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell when do we add whips to the donts doc

Reasoning could be
“Please wait until we rebalance summoner first and once thats done we will consider fitting whips into said rebalanced summoner”

[hollow shell]

I mean
From what I can see, no suggestion asking for a new whip to be added has ever made it to #suggestions-voting

cuz when they get put in posting they're usually met with the response "Yep, Calamity is already planning on adding whips, hang tight we'll get to it eventually" along those lines

Unless you mean
broadly, please do not make any suggestions about whips whatsoever?

[grim tusk]

Yea maybe add that to the donts doc since planned already

[radiant meadow]

Didn't 1.4 remove duplicated accessories

Or was it 1.4.4

1 quest a day is also not that bad if you do it on the regular imo

It's meant to be a side thing that you do every now and then

[crude geode]

Enemies’ defense affects dot

Wow never knew

[fathom aspen]

It is Crush Depth itself's mechanic

and is written on wiki

[crude geode]

Wacky

[fathom aspen]

'250% of their defense is subtracted from the health lost per second'
The thing that makes preHM enemies with >12 defense literally immune to it

[short walrus]

what would people's opinion be on removing the cores of (eleum/chaos/sunlight) and just making the base essences craft into the core of calamity

[crude geode]

Why

Also do you mean core of calamity

[short walrus]

yes

did my research and found that of all the items that use the cores of X, only 4 need them to actually be kept in their progression tier

chaos/tranquility candle, frostcrush valari, and tears of heaven

(i am mostly saying this because i was in a resprite convo and desperately trying to figure out how to do the cores)

[sand ermine]

yes 👍

[short walrus]

awesome

[sand ermine]

i feel like
the cores are just, kinda stinky? they add more complexity to something which doesnt really need to be too complex

[short walrus]

and they are resprite hell

[sand ermine]

i also feel like its a bit stinky that like, they're crafting materials which dont really need to exist because if you were to just replace something which needed something like cores of sunlight (forgot what they were called) with essence of sunlight nothing would change

[sand ermine]

its adding slightly more unnecessary complexity, is what im saying

[sullen swan]

but cores are supposed to be post plantera
Removing cores would make some post-plantera items early hardmode

[short walrus]

it would make 4 items that are post plantera early hardmode.

only 4.

[crude geode]

some can equal 4

[short walrus]

discounting cores of chaos

true

but come on

4

[sullen swan]

asgards valor would be busted

deadshot brooch would also be pretty op

[sand ermine]

living shards could just be added

in place

[fathom aspen]

add living shards/ectoplasm

[short walrus]

discounting cores of chaos because they require ashes of calamity (calclone same tier as plant iirc)

[sand ermine]

if they arent there already that is

[short walrus]

no it wouldn't

[frail mantle]

Just remove the cores and add raw ectoplasm to the recipes that need it to be post plant

Ez

[short walrus]

because, as i have said previously, only four items require cores to keep their place, and those four are chaos/tranquility candle, frostcrush valari, and tears of heaven

[short walrus]

he gets it

he gets it

[sullen swan]

isn’t tears of heaven like
extremely good

[short walrus]

fuck if i know

just add ectoplasm to it

[sullen swan]

that shit annihlated anahita and levi

[short walrus]

cool, ping a tester to fix it

[sullen swan]

adding ectoplasm to the recipe in place of cores would be a nice change

[crude geode]

While we’re at irrelevant materials can we obliterate living shards somehow

[short walrus]

how irrelevant are they again

[crude geode]

Outside of the Terra weapons (which feels kinda lazy) they’re used for like. 4 or 5 things

[short walrus]

gimme a sec to check

(terra weapons should die, i agree)

@lilac ingot you say that two flails at the same tier shouldn't exist yet ignore the shitload of swords and other weapons that share tiers

[cobalt pewter]

remove the separate cores, keep core of calamity, adjust recipes to use essences and ectoplasm instead

[crude geode]

Essences*

[short walrus]

thats what im saying

[cobalt pewter]

thanks

[crude geode]

Cores of cal for everything sounds really cringe

[lilac ingot]

i wouldnt consider swords to be a niche, especially since many of them have other cool effects. flails are a side thing, and the 2 i mention do not have super special properties

[distant gyro]

doesn't blue moon also exist

[cobalt pewter]

also the whole late phm tiering is really

[short walrus]

that too

[cobalt pewter]

funky

[distant gyro]

i mean like, i guess it practically doesn't

[short walrus]

yoyos

[distant gyro]

everyone phases blue moon out of existence

[lilac ingot]

yo i shoulda mentioned this

we do not need 3

[cobalt pewter]

dungeon and hell are big hurdles to go through, but then cal casually made t1 abyss post skelly as well because?

idfk

[crude geode]

Cal has a problem spreading out content

Could have been post slime gods to give them more purpose

[short walrus]

ok so i looked at the living shard crafts and

[distant gyro]

i think living shards are fine

[cobalt pewter]

real

[distant gyro]

you could shove other things like ectoplasm in to tier gate but it doesn't quite fit

[crude geode]

do we really need MORE random jungle materials, especially one from a boss

[distant gyro]

you know what jungle materials suck

everything else

[short walrus]

• terra set (should die)
• sirenproof earmuffs
• elemental excalibur (dev tier)
• AoTA (uses core of cal)
• life fruit (renewable resource)
• miracle fruit

[crude geode]

AoTA also takes core of cal so the living shards are irrelevant

and miracle fruit takes alloy

The only thing it tier locks is Terra weapons which is. kinda lame for a boss that already drops like 6 weapons no one uses

[distant gyro]

e: slime god is an anomaly of progression

[crude geode]

And sirenproof but tier locking sirenproof right until you fight it is

[cobalt pewter]

I am fairly sure I made a sugg about that one

[distant gyro]

yes

it's approved

[short walrus]

nice

[distant gyro]

recipe revision is hopefully soon

[cobalt pewter]

real

[distant gyro]

im still working on it

[crude geode]

so yeah.

[distant gyro]

anyway

that relies on the removal of terra weapons

and honestly that's a big domino effect

[short walrus]

what are dev opinions on terra

[distant gyro]

it's like the shortsword thing

[crude geode]

people asking "where weapon"?

[short walrus]

ok fair enough

[distant gyro]

you thought you topple a singular weapon and then the entire line collapses

[short walrus]

apply the coolinator beam and move it somewhere else

[distant gyro]

and you lose out on 20+ weapons

[crude geode]

You could also just make the obtaining of the terra weapons not. cringe af

[distant gyro]

and create a rift in the rest

[cobalt pewter]

idea: plague happens post plant, abomination made post golem

[sullen swan]

removing terra weapons would affect a lot of the exo weapons

[cobalt pewter]

wait that's kinda irrelevant

but whatever

[crude geode]

it is

[cobalt pewter]

spur of thought

[crude geode]

just make it so cyborg combines your weapons into terra ones instead of crafting them yourself

[cobalt pewter]

cyborg use! gasp

[crude geode]

ikr

[sullen swan]

no wyay

[crude geode]

it's a simple solution for the time being and justifies the obliteration of living shards

[distant gyro]

adding broken hero fragment just to spite

[crude geode]

true

thorium try not to be based challenge

[short walrus]

whar

k i'm gonna start drafting the remove cores sugg

Remove Cores of Chaos/Eleum/Sunlight.

as it stands now, the Cores of X are required to craft a number of weapons, tools, and the very important material Cores of Calamity.
however, only 4 of the items crafted with the trio require them to keep their place in progression; all of the others use a material on the same or higher tier.
i propose removing the three cores, and make their base essences craft into their items - for the exactly four items that actually need them, add in ectoplasm or a similar material to keep their progression.

this cool?

[crude geode]

yee

[hollow shell]

I disagree with the Fugu sugg because you use Fugu very differently from those other two flails
Not only is it a launch-type versus a spin-and-gravity type, but it also shoots out a ton of little homing projectiles, while the two vanilla ones have no projectiles at all

The thought that flails are "oversaturated" at that point is pretty arbitrary, because it's just based on the definition of what we call a "flail"

[short walrus]

rover what are your opinions on killing the core trio

[hollow shell]

It seems like a fine idea
You're right that they almost always have another tier-locking material already, the only exceptions I can see are Tears Of Heaven, arguably Lihzahrd Power Cell, and Chaos & Tranq Candles. Ectoplasm can just get added to their recipes

However I am worried that it'd make the crafting possibilities with the essences seem too disorganized and overwhelming. One of the big reasons ASE was added, for instance, was to better separate and categorize the different crafting tiers/purposes that its constituent materials had

[short walrus]

mm

that's true

the cores are still used all over the place themselves, though

[hollow shell]

Your reasoning could probably be a bit stronger
Right now it's just kind of an implied "theyre redundant" but you don't really state why that's an issue or go into detail about it

[short walrus]

useless sink for ectoplasm, maybe

[hollow frost]

if you're removing the core trio what happens to core of calamity

[short walrus]

crafted with base essences, already has cal ashes

[crude geode]

was to better separate and categorize the different crafting tiers/purposes that its constituent materials had
isn't this the purpose of rarities?

[fathom aspen]

BoFugu inflicts Acid Venom, Sunfury does not
Pointed that out bcuz I'm trying to do a DoT-focused playthrough, and Venom can counter WoF greatly while Sunfury can't.

Unless there are already rework plans for Fugu, I would rather suggest Sunfury to deal Hellfire & Blue Moon deal Frostbite, to make difference between the flails

[short walrus]

also confusing as hell (speaking from experience) to have the three craft into core of cal but then also be used elsewhere

[distant gyro]

is it a stretch to say ectoplasm + ashes of calamity for core of cal

if it were to happen

[short walrus]

that would probably be a good idea

[hollow shell]

I'm talking about like, their presentation in Recipe Browser, the Guide, and on their wiki pages

Right now if you go on NF, EE, or DF 's pages, all the recipes you see there are relevant to the theme of each material
Then if you click into ASE, you get all the more generic uses as Post-DoG filler material
It's especially important for Phantoplasm because it's originally obtained not on the same tier as the others
Any prospective viewer who just got some Phantoplasm and visited its page (or opened recipe browser) ((or used the Guide)) before would be overwhelmed with a shitload of recipes they couldn't even do yet
By putting em into ASE, there's a clear divide

That was my reasoning, anyway.

[hollow frost]

me pre-ML collecting all the resources for abyssal diving suit halfway realising luminite is at the far right and I can't make it yet 😱

so I'd say reorganise a few recipes for clarity, but that sounds like a lot lmao

[short walrus]

ok thats quite a big point

[distant gyro]

this is my similar pet peeve with silva requiring any gold

[short walrus]

if it weren't for the fact most of the stuff you craft with the cores is post moonlord

[cobalt pewter]

Sunfury has crazy physical damage already, slapping Hellfire might be a tad too much

and I don't think ice has ever been the theme of dungeon weapons, so giving frostbite on Blue Moon would be ???

[distant gyro]

and general resource sinks in endgame

[hollow shell]

Silva very well could get its own middle-man material, if need be

[sullen swan]

dungeon items are themed around skeletons and ninjas i think

[short walrus]

water too

[hollow frost]

give blue moon nightwither for the fun of it

[cobalt pewter]

no

[sullen swan]

🤯

[hollow shell]

finally its name makes sense

[crude geode]

isn't that still a problem with nf, ee, and df considering they're at the same tier post dog

[distant gyro]

Luminite is used for about 100 recipes and a decent amount of it is for Post-DoG recipes

[hollow shell]

What "problem" are you referring to?

[hollow frost]

doesn't make sense for core of cold things to be used in the core of calamity anyway 🤧

[crude geode]

nightmare fuel crafts (for example) only crafts being on the same tier as ase crafts

[cobalt pewter]

I was wondering what nf, ee and df are

[hollow frost]

same lmao

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

it only really solves the problem for phantoplasm

[hollow frost]

what's ase

[crude geode]

ascendant spirit essence

[cobalt pewter]

Ascendant's Spirit Essence

[hollow shell]

It's a minor annoyance to have to craft the middle material and being unable to trade it back

But it still serves the purpose of separating them thematically

[distant gyro]

a biology suffix

[hollow shell]

Galactica Singularities should get brought up too

[hollow frost]

right right

[distant gyro]

(psst... #583454384290267147 message )

[fathom aspen]

As for Sunfury you need to take its stage into account, Slime God has fire resistance in its code and WoF also resists fire debuff heavily
Nightwither very much fits Blue Moon's theme, but 100 dps is too insane prehm so lol

[cobalt pewter]

dev channel

[distant gyro]

dev channel post real

[hollow frost]

that thing I farm for a %2 increase to my wrath and rage potions

[hollow shell]

Galacs are used in TONS of recipes
It would be really annoying to see them all when you are looking at the crafts for any of the four individual Celestial Fragments

When I look at Solar Fragments, I should only see Solar stuff

(and wherever else we've decided to include it for relevant flavor)

[cobalt pewter]

I think combination materials would only matter if the unique combined materials would be 4 or more in amount

[hollow frost]

what really is the point of galacs being in the wrath and rage upgrades if unholy essence is already post-ml

[cobalt pewter]

Core of Calamity would still be fine if the separate cores are removed since it'd total to 5 unique materials in the recipe

[short walrus]

Remove Cores of Chaos/Eleum/Sunlight.

as it stands now, the Cores of X are required to craft a number of weapons, tools, and the very important material Cores of Calamity.
however, only 4 of the items crafted with the trio require them to keep their place in progression; all of the others use a material on the same or higher tier.
the cores provide a useless sink for ectoplasm at a period where it could be used for far more important materials; this is especially true considering that, except for the 4 previously mentioned:

8/14 recipes using cores of sunlight are post moonlord
all recipes using cores of eleum are post moonlord
1/12 recipes using cores of chaos are post moonlord (damnit scoria ruining my stats)
i propose removing the three cores, and make their base essences craft into their items - for the exactly four items that actually need them, add in ectoplasm or a similar material to keep their progression.

[hollow shell]

Recipe filler for a sense of power I guess

[short walrus]

reworked a bit

[cobalt pewter]

this is the bigger issue with galac yes

a lot of recipes might as well not need it because lmao

[crude geode]

cosmic anvil

[hollow frost]

the power I get from face tanking deus for 5 minutes

[hollow shell]

Small correction, Frostcrush Valari is not post-ML

[cobalt pewter]

anything made with cosmic anvil should not use galac anymore because 🐈‍⬛ 💨

[short walrus]

thats one of the four that require cores

[hollow frost]

oop

[hollow shell]

wew

[short walrus]

i should mention that in there

[hollow shell]

You should probably name the 4 items in your suggestion just for clarity's sake

[short walrus]

ye

[hollow frost]

^^

teamwork

[short walrus]

chaos/tranquility candle, frostcrush valari, and tears of heaven
these are the four for posterity's sake

gonna post it now

[hollow shell]

[hollow frost]

pog

[distant gyro]

can't believe we're getting removal doc 2 public edition

[cobalt pewter]

god

[short walrus]

it is done

any other things to catch?

[hollow shell]

One last thing though
You should have a little addendum clarifying what'll happen to Core of Calamity
Cuz you don't include it among your items that would have their tiers affected by this change, despite the fact that it would

[hollow frost]

oh- this is a tmodloader bug btw #suggestions-voting message --> #bugs-read-pins message

[short walrus]

i considered clone and plant the same tier

[cobalt pewter]

is it not?

[hollow shell]

Still affects which bosses you need to kill in order to obtain it

[short walrus]

fair

stuck it there

[hollow shell]

Currently requires both Clone and Plant, with this change it would only require Clone

[short walrus]

(addressed that)

[hollow shell]

aight cool thank you

[short walrus]

:D

[crude geode]

I almost want to make a suggestion regarding living shards because they feel so awful

they're kinda just. generic terra weapon crafting

which almost ruins the damn point of terra weapons

[hollow frost]

what's the point of terra weapons?

[distant gyro]

honestly there's a lot of materials that are tempting to remove

[distant gyro]

relic of old design

but it's really hard to take down because there's both items lower and higher than it

lower being the night's edge set and higher being the elemental set

[crude geode]

those sets are also supporting said old design

[distant gyro]

that is true

[hollow shell]

Damn, what a question

[distant gyro]

but it's also partially iconic

moreso elemental items

i cannot see a reality where elemental items being taken down doesn't get flamed to hell

[short walrus]

at least they're getting a glow up

[hollow frost]

oh honestly I meant like, why do living shards ruin terra weapons yknow

[crude geode]

what's the quote? I think ian or iban might have brought it up. something along the lines of "the more unique something is the less we should be repeating it"

[distant gyro]

this is correct but is also inapplicable for all cases

[hollow shell]

I kinda agree and also kinda don't

[distant gyro]

when something gets turned into a set, the path forward to demolishing it is a complete collapse

at this point, terra is a complete set

[hollow shell]

If it's a choice between having a bunch of copy-pastes of a unique and original base, and having a bunch of copy-pastes of a boring vanilla base
I'll choose repeating the unique thing

[distant gyro]

much like what you'd do to ore items

[crude geode]

indeed

[distant gyro]

imagine if one day you just removed the summoner weapon in the wulfrum set (supposing you hate it and want it gone)

you've created a rift in the set

[hollow frost]

I like the idea of living shards, maybe it's just an execution thing
they're the "life" part of the life fruit recipe, it recreates plantera for the plantation staff, and maybe it gives off a heartbeat which stops you from listening to the siren's call (sirenproof earmuffs recipe)
but like for any other recipe, no clue how they exactly fit lol

why does the terra flamebuster just emit cursed inferno? no clue

[frail mantle]

Probably cause there’s no dedicated Terra damage over time debuff for it to inflict

[crude geode]

Tried not to focus on one idea too much even tho I like quest idea

Any feedback?

[distant gyro]

also how exactly does the cyborg do whatever this is

does this give the implication of an entirely new mechanic dedicated to forging these weapons

[hollow frost]

I mean, it's post-plantera

[frail mantle]

That’s perennial

Different set

[distant gyro]

that's not terra nor flame nor bursting

more of a perennial poisonpisser

[hollow frost]

what is terra

[distant gyro]

literally defined: earth

[hollow frost]

I understand that much

[distant gyro]

directionally designed: the color green

[frail mantle]

Man this mod has four plant/nature based sets including vanilla

[distant gyro]

at least it's not as much as fire

fire enthusiasts when calamity

[crude geode]

frost/ice and fire

Take up like half the mod

[frail mantle]

Water enthusiasts when the calamity mod player walks in

[distant gyro]

water still in shambles despite dedicating 60% of the mod's biomes to it

[crude geode]

Fr

[distant gyro]

all the water these people are getting

[hollow frost]

cosmic bolter & terra ray shoot energy, plantation inflicts poison and acid venom, terra edge inflicts ichor, flameburster inflicts cursed inferno
so genuinely, green energy + occasional varying debuff

[distant gyro]

it's some kind of green energy and plantation staff is an outlier

the outlier being literally spawns plantera

[hollow frost]

true

[frail mantle]

Oops!

[hollow frost]

feels like terra should be a high dps no damage over time weapon set

unless green energy has lasting effects

[fathom aspen]

Personally I wish DoTdebuff-based build to be viable the whole playthrough lol
maybe terra weapons can have smth to mess around with it

[small timber]

terra doesn't sound fitting to me, if anything it should be flamethrowers

not every weapon have to have the option to specialize in debuff builds (as otherwise you can have "mix build" that are way too powerful with debuff + direct damage), but at least some line of weapon should be viable with it

[hollow frost]

thing is if terra flameburster loses cursed flame then the elemental eruption gets it from nowhere

so maybe, just give terra cursed flame? or is that just an additional material which isn't that needed

(make spazmatism drop cursed flames so both world evils can have it 😁)

jk unless

[little stag]

Yes and the sugg still makes angling kits do that, at least at the cost of only a few quests
However, if you don't do the quests the obtaining of these items will be postponed

[small timber]

then this will basically make angling kit useless

because if you are already obtaining the item from the quest then why do you need angling kit

[hollow frost]

I think they're saying you should get consumable keys for the angling kits from doing angler quests

[small timber]

and if the suggestion is to "make angling kit only dropped by aquatic scourge" it will still defeat the entire purpose of angling kit, which is supposed to make fishing available earlier

[hollow frost]

I'm not sure about this one?
doing fishing quests slowly so that you might get upgrades to do future fishing quests faster is very vanilla
I like that calamity recognises that fishing is an important part of progression (even if it reduced dependency with purchasable potions from npcs) and makes things faster by not having to rely on a once-per-day fishing quest to get things done

[small timber]

the thing about angling kit is never about its efficiency: it is meant to be overly efficient compare to questing system so that you can skip angler quest completely

thus the suggestion should not focus on "nerfing angling kit", but rather "make angling kit no longer essential"

eg: make angler quest system much more easier to do (or more rewarding), make angler be the source of angling kit... and so on

[hollow frost]

suggestion "make the angler easier to kill by trashers so I can get the golden fishing rod early" lmao

oh hey there's an angler shop mod on the workshop

maybe it works with calam 🔍

[swift wharf]

I want terraflameburster GONE

elf melter is better and actually requires some effort to get

[small timber]

@ blast anti arson people

wait why tf is terraflameburster entire recipe just flamethrower + living shard

and shadethrower even exist and have no upgrade

[ornate kestrel]

Cause they wanted a terra version of a flamethrower

and decided to upgrade the flamethrower

if they really wanted it to make sense

they would add more preh flamethrowers that would combine into the terraflameburster

and to make it more viable preh

[tardy smelt]

it'd be funny if one were to merge terra and and perennial honestly-
just rebrand all the worth keeping terra weapons into perennial weapons and make terra blade its own thing

[ornate kestrel]

perennial needs some kind of actual use

nobody really uses it

[tardy smelt]

Perennial's armor set is awesome

I love it to bits

Viral Sprout is also really cool

the rest?
not really worth mentioning

[ornate kestrel]

perennial armor is outclassed if I'm not mistaken by chlorophyte armor

[tardy smelt]

they're nothing alike

[swift wharf]

the move speed perennial helm should give you a second dash tbh tbh

[swift wharf]

see that is why it should die

[tardy smelt]

I've found both perennial movement and perennial tank to be viable and competitive all the way up to Moon Lord with the right weapon and accessory choices

and the third perennial helm is the first building set you can get after roughly 20 bosses, up until then all you have is marnite

[swift wharf]

other terra items at least try to have the holy+dark = terra theme but flameburster (and disk) don't even try

[ornate kestrel]

I've always felt that besides the terra blade, the terra weapons felt a little out of place at least

They're cool

And fun

[small timber]

all of perennial armor is really good

tank set is one of the hidden busted set in the game, speed set is used by nohitters (because it is that good), and the builder set still have its niche

perennial weapons on the other hand, most are very forgetable

[ornate kestrel]

I like glass cannon builds

[swift wharf]

relics of old calamity

[ornate kestrel]

Though I die quite a bit

[small timber]

perennial speed is glass cannon but in a different way

[ornate kestrel]

It's good for it

[small timber]

basically if give you such amazing mobility that you try to get adrenaline as much as possible, and get damage that way

[ornate kestrel]

Cause you have mobility

[small timber]

yeah

[crude geode]

Perennial my beloathed

[ornate kestrel]

But a normal glass cannon is killing the boss a fast as you can without getting hit too much

[swift wharf]

it's glass cannon but without the glass

[ornate kestrel]

Well it's kinda like how rogue works

Except adrenaline instead of stealth

And a lot more damage

[crude geode]

That set is such a mess in trying to differentiate itself from just being jungle set #3

[swift wharf]

jungle set hell

jungle perennial uelibloom chlorophyte

[ornate kestrel]

It'd be cool if there was a terra armor

[swift wharf]

no it wouldn't

[ornate kestrel]

Yes it would

[small timber]

we dont need more terra bullshits

[ornate kestrel]

It'd be cool

But pointless

[swift wharf]

a night edge armor is already cringe

[small timber]

terra is basically just auric tesla v0.5 (because it comes before auric tesla) by basically being the definitive "amalgamation set but we give it a green colour"

[swift wharf]

elemental set

[ornate kestrel]

Well auric is executed well

[swift wharf]

(except that elemental set will be unique)

LMFAO

[crude geode]

What

[swift wharf]

💀

[crude geode]

💀

Auric is so fucking bad

It’s literally just previous armor sets slapped together lazily

[small timber]

you know what is auric tesla's unique set bonus?

[swift wharf]

It has an unique set bonus?

[small timber]

flying carpet + every once in a while you heal 10 hp if you keep attacking

WOW

[swift wharf]

oh yeah carpet

ofc

[small timber]

(although flying carpet is actually very useful)

[crude geode]

One for each class, tho most of them are damage iirc

[small timber]

and frost barrier

the best item in the game

[crude geode]

Like melee damage being higher when hp is lower iirc

[swift wharf]

ah I see

[crude geode]

No I think that’s a different set

[small timber]

I dont think those exist anymore

[swift wharf]

very remarkable

[small timber]

either that or from material set

yeah

[swift wharf]

PFFFFFTT

[crude geode]

Wacky

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmmmm

The cosmetic design is executed well

[tardy smelt]

Auric is pretty lame yeah

[swift wharf]

it's the definition of it

[ornate kestrel]

But the as a set it sucks

It's just flashy

[tardy smelt]

in theory it could've been cool with just the right execution of it but in practice its a mess

[crude geode]

Only in the actual armor set visual

And even then it’s getting updated

so like the answer is no

[ornate kestrel]

Aren't a lot of armors turning class specific

[small timber]

not much

[ornate kestrel]

Lame

I'd prefer class specific over different helmets

[small timber]

demonshade will be multihelm (3), exo (not the gem one) will be 1 helm

but I dont really heard class specific ones

[ornate kestrel]

Most class specific are preh

And hardmode

[small timber]

most class specific are vanilla except for ore armors

[crude geode]

Demonshade’s multihelm having MELEE alone still pisses me off

Like wtf

[small timber]

it still confuse me yeah

[short walrus]

what else are you gonna stick it with

[ornate kestrel]

It's class specific with 3 different helms

[tardy smelt]

if you're gonna stick with the whole "combining armor sets" idea, it'd have worked out better to pick the most unique/memorable mechanic of each component armor for each class and stage rather than grabbing everything and slapping it together

[crude geode]

Just do the mage/summoner, and others split

as in

[small timber]

god slayer dash is the only semi unique one, I guess silva revive can count too

[short walrus]

4 helms?

[tardy smelt]

and even that is hard to pull off right because a lot of the component armors are lame from the get-go

[crude geode]

Mage and summoner use demonshade
Others use exo

[ornate kestrel]

Yeah

[small timber]

tarragon and bloodflare is literally "you have a lot of defense and good life regen"

[short walrus]

guh

i think the idea was a glass cannon, not a class specific (no shit)

[tardy smelt]

ranger bloodflare souls are kinda fun to use and melee tarragon cloak can maybe be powerful...? but its hard to use right

[small timber]

it will make it basically so that it become pointless to kill scal first as the other 3 class which is why I think they make it so all 5 class at least get some armor

[crude geode]

Is exo going to be generic one size fits all

[small timber]

oh right ranger bloodflare do have active

melee tarragon cloak is a weird case in that you can really only use it on polter

[ornate kestrel]

I never kill scal first

[small timber]

if you are bothering to click it on DoG my as well use the time to dodge away (and you have bloodflare at that point which provide more consistent bonus)

[short walrus]

god tank that will make you invincible so long as you play right

iirc

[swift wharf]

every armor makes you invincible as long as you play right

[ornate kestrel]

But my glass cannon

[swift wharf]

omega blue:

[short walrus]

you know what i mean >:(

[small timber]

for glass cannon just use omega blue armor

where you regen ~60 hp each time you ram through yharon with asgardian aegis

(and ram not inflicting debuff anymore is a huge buff to that armor)

[crude geode]

That’s why I like the idea lol

[short walrus]

thats pretty cringe

[small timber]

if exo and scal is a similar fight maybe, the problem is they are the polar opposite

one encourage you to use half the world, the other one is precise dodging in enclosed space

therefore one will be bound to be much easier than the other one for different people

[crude geode]

You also still do get something, a post boss weapon no matter what (at least in theory lol)

[swift wharf]

society if scal gave only mage and summoner gear and emechs gave only melee, ranged and rogue gear

[small timber]

armor set had always been a gigantic upgrade for each boss, with my case like hallowed/chlorophyte post-mechs, shroomite/spectre/spooky post-Plant, beetle post-Golem etc

so it is not about "how much reward you get from the boss", it is about "how bad it feels when you felt your reward is being robbed because you didn't play a specific class when fighting the boss"

tldr make class switching easier end game

[crude geode]

yeah I was gonna say

Sounds like it’s a problem cal dug itself into there

Byeah I doubt this one person in #suggestions-discussion loving the fact that each class actually does something slightly different from each other for once (woah) is gonna change the design philosophy of an armor

[cobalt pewter]

wtf eternity mechs post yharon !??!?!!?‽

(byeah)

[crude geode]

Can’t wait for the most recent sugg in voting to get 120 morbillion stars

Bc minor fix

[drowsy plank]

augh making crush depth scale more 🤢

like it clearly needs some work but that is NOT the solution

man most of these suggs suck ass except like exactly "remove cores" and "remove terra shards" lmfao

[short walrus]

hell yeah

[drowsy plank]

fuck cores all my homies hate cores

[prime karma]

the putting the counter scarf in the statis void sash one is pretty good too

[glass arch]

the cores i can agree with because i never make them

unless its actively required i dont make em

[drowsy plank]

counter scarf do be one of the items ever

[glass arch]

pretty good because i can actually dash with it unlike soc

[drowsy plank]

lmao

i would really like the counter scarf dash on the statis line bc it's just. so much more useful than a random dodge but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[small timber]

it sounds like a good idea until it need to be given like a 60 seconds cooldown on the counter scarf dodge because it is overpowered

[drowsy plank]

yup lol

[cobalt pewter]

a bit of a random idea but I'm wondering if no gravity would help with the tabi dashes

as far a I understood most dashes are affected by gravity?

[glass arch]

i think all of em are

[small timber]

it would make it awkward

[cobalt pewter]

fairly sure Final Dawn, Plagued Fuel Pack and Blunder Booster aren't at least

[small timber]

I think most people are so used to dash having gravity that it make it worse

[cobalt pewter]

...well those are kinda weird

[little stag]

then this will basically make angling kit useless
because if you are already obtaining the item from the quest then why do you need angling kit
so you don't have to do quests if you don't want to?
and if the suggestion is to "make angling kit only dropped by aquatic scourge" it will still defeat the entire purpose of angling kit, which is supposed to make fishing available earlier
but, fishing is available as soon as you get a bait and a fishing rod
they're not obligatory for fishing, they're aids for it and, at least imo they should be some sort of reward, not just free

sorry for bringing up a dead conv but I wasn't online

[small timber]

ok, so tldr what is the proposed rework in the suggestion?

because from your wording this is what I thought was the meaning:
you have to do angler quest first before angling kit can be obtained

therefore the purpose of angling kit which is to skip angler quest become useless since you need to do the quest itself first

[swift wharf]

I think nerfing the prehm ones would be good

what's even the difference between them

[glass arch]

i think AS's ones are just the hardmode loot you can get

not the pre-hardmode loot thats DS's

[small timber]

because it will make fishing preHM feels really shit

the tldr is just fishing without the angler fishing accessory just feels really shit

[glass arch]

oh wait there is literally no difference in the drops

[little stag]

okay that part was contradictory, the key could be rewarded every quest so that the amount of fishing needed is reduced, or the key thing could be removed without the chance modification
but the intention behind is making angler kits still serve the same purpose, but with the obtaining of these angler items would be postponed so fishing is still unneeded, but a reward

[small timber]

you run out of bait quickly, low fishing power and on top of that your line just decide to break 1/6

[swift wharf]

💀

[small timber]

so... you get angling kit from angler quest?

or I misunderstood

[swift wharf]

just give the player more base fishing power
ez

[glass arch]

no difference except sandy only drops the golden bug net post-skeletron which doesnt matter

[swift wharf]

GOD

[little stag]

nop

[glass arch]

actually some of the drop chances are slightly different

[little stag]

the 2nd option nop

[swift wharf]

yeah but like

give me a reason to farm AS kits

[glass arch]

there isnt one tbh

[swift wharf]

how deep the fishing problem goes

[little stag]

well in that case, these items could instead have their chances changed so that you have a very decent chance to already have gotten them in the, let's say, 7th quest done

then it would be a less frustrating and pointless type of reward

[small timber]

then the suggestion should be changed to "reworking angler quest reward to be better/more consistent", not "rework angling kit"

[swift wharf]

I mean

the kit needs a fucking nerf lmao

[glass arch]

there should be a suggestion to remove the fishing drops from levi to bleached angling kit

[small timber]

since otherwise it will just cause confusion of what the suggestion is about

[glass arch]

because otherwise theres no reason to get bleached

[little stag]

well yeah
though if the first is done, angling kits should still be nerfed

[swift wharf]

yes let me grab every fishing accessory, armor and potions by killing the first boss in the game

[small timber]

you cannot suggest to do the 2nd step first when the 1st step is not done

you cannot nerf angling kit first before angler quest reward system is tuned to be better

[drowsy plank]

i like the kits, just buff AS's to be better

throw fin wings in there

[swift wharf]

you don't need that much fishing power for prehm

[glass arch]

and levi's fishing drops

[little stag]

yeah yeah I'll do that
thing is I didn't think of that earlier

I just thought of the rework

[swift wharf]

the problem isn't even the angler anymore

[small timber]

yeah, just mention angling kit as a side point at the end like "with better angler quest reward, angling kit might no longer be essential" etc etc, that way you still achieve what you want

[glass arch]

its everything else made to counteract him?

[swift wharf]

it's that angler armor + accs + potions is need to make fishing ddcent

this is like the rogue accessory problem but with fishing

[drowsy plank]

what if angler armor and accessories were craftable

this will cause no problems whatsoever

[swift wharf]

surely

[little stag]

maybe reworking fishing so that the chance of getting each item increases by a set value per quest? this way it becomes a more consistent reward system, but would still reward setting up fishing stuff as early as you can

[small timber]

I dont think you really need all of them, but ya at the minimum you definitely need fishing line (so line no longer break) and for early game the reduce bait consumption one

[little stag]

talking about a quest rework

[drowsy plank]

it is weird that you need to do fishing to be able to have fun fishing. it's like scarab rod lmao

[small timber]

otherwise fishring feels really awful

[swift wharf]

anyways I still think that the sandy kit is stupidly strong

[small timber]

which is why angling kit exist yeah, so you can make fishing better before even have to fish

[swift wharf]

just give the player some high fishing power

base fishing power I mean

like the move speed buff

[glass arch]

yeah sandy angling kit needs to at least have the chances to drop stuff lowered or the amount of stuff it gives at a time needs to be lowered

[swift wharf]

make it just potions and bait or smth

[drowsy plank]

put the fish hook and vanity sets in it

dilute the drop pool by putting the bad shit in there

ez

[glass arch]

that would... actually not be bad

[swift wharf]

and then there's levi

[glass arch]

getting rid of some of the more useful stuff (like some accessories and armor) for vanity is actually a good change

[swift wharf]

mmmyes 3 different bosses dropping fishing gear

[drowsy plank]

they water bosses c:

[glass arch]

levi's fishing drops need to be moved to bleached angling kit ngl

[drowsy plank]

true

[swift wharf]

still crung

[little stag]

the chance would need to be decreased enough so that it's hard to get it just by spamming desert scourges though

[drowsy plank]

why lol

[little stag]

so that they're not OP

[drowsy plank]

i still dont

why are they OP

[swift wharf]

the kits kind of give all fishing potions, armor and important accessories

[drowsy plank]

ok and

[swift wharf]

after beating the first boss

[drowsy plank]

i know what they do, why are they OP

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

and you could also do that just by fishing a lot??

[glass arch]

because it makes everything else literally useless

[drowsy plank]

this is just less obnoxious

i mean angler still has drops exclusive to him

[glass arch]

if i can get all the fishing accessories i need from killing the first boss in the game im gonna do that rather than fishing

[swift wharf]

angler takes actual effort

[little stag]

which actually takes effort

[drowsy plank]

enough to the point that most people, rather than actually use fishing

just dont do it at all

blood orbs exist

which i think is a bit of a bigger issue when talking about ease of access

[glass arch]

blood orbs are also decently rare

[swift wharf]

fishing sucks moment

[drowsy plank]

basically!!

[swift wharf]

kid named potion shops

[drowsy plank]

i do like the buff to base fishing power idea, but killing angling kits is just a great way to have more people ignore the mechanic entirely even more

[swift wharf]

not all kits

[glass arch]

im not suggesting killing em im suggesting moving the loot around so it makes more sense based off progression

[swift wharf]

actually giving the player base fishing power and nerfing the fishing power given by the kits would be redundant

i hate fishing

[drowsy plank]

i realize, sandy is the one yall mostly focusing on, but while AS's does deserve some more love, what would you move off of sandy? like golden bug net could probably go, maybe make the cell phone pieces on AS too? but the actual fishing gear is so fucking slow to get from angler normally

[glass arch]

yeah im all for buffing bleached kits

[drowsy plank]

put bait in, remove net and cell phone pieces, and at least it would be different

[swift wharf]

ya

[drowsy plank]

but removing the angling kit and set pieces would be hell

[glass arch]

sandy kits would get nerfed because right now they give all you need too easily, and bleached kits would get buffed by both nerfing sandy kits and adding maybe levi's fishing drops

[little stag]

the non-cell phone fishing items could be made easier to get by quests so you still have to do some effort to get them but can still be gotten relatively quickly in progression as long as the effort is done

[swift wharf]

this will greatly affect the trout population

[drowsy plank]

i think putting them in AS's kit is a better idea

frankly i dont WANT them to take a lot of effort, all you get out of it is like, two lines on the side of your screen that most people shut off

[glass arch]

yes

[drowsy plank]

99% of the time, like i said before, it is so much fucking effort people would rather just not do it at all

like you get these changes and im just using fucking mirror the whole run, fuck the cell phone

[little stag]

that's not bad for cell phone items, but I'm talking about non-cell phone ones

[little stag]

I mean sure, then said effort could just be decreased to a reasonable and fair amount

but not removed

[drowsy plank]

you need 20 quests to get the full angler set
im doing a legendary mode run in vanilla and i have an all biome fishing farm set up, and im currently in hardmode because it was faster to just kill the bosses than sit around trying to get all the fishing stuff to make them easier

it's about managing the amount of time people are willing to sink into these mechanics and the answer is, for fishing; not a whole lot

so much of the angler's quests are just standing around, and we already have enough trouble getting people to even use the right wiki, why would they bother actually trying to fish when people are willing to use things like alchNPC to straight up BUY the potions you'd use the gear for

even Cal has multiple ways to completely bypass fishing

you want to make it harder but calamity has so many other ways to completely invalidate it already, all you're going to get is even less use of these systems at all

the only solution would be to make fishing actually engaging which is just too much work, and you aren't gonna convince anyone to remove blood orbs, maybe potions shops could die, but people are just gonna add them back in themselves

[little stag]

again, just decrease the amount of effort needed to a reasonable amount
as of right now, fishing quests are a slow way to get things because of how low chances are and how spaced each quest is

[drowsy plank]

it already is a reasonable amount if you consider the alternatives

[little stag]

spam killing a really easy boss is not a reasonable amount

[drowsy plank]

considering you can just kill enemies and buy the rewards for fishing?

i think it is

[little stag]

but that's really easy to do

[drowsy plank]

in fact blood moons are twice as effective at invalidating fishing because you'd get the money and the orbs so you could get twice as many potions as the same amount of time spent fishing

[little stag]

like, just spam kill a boss

[drowsy plank]

correct! and since you're not gonna be convincing anyone here to remove blood orbs, spam killing one boss is about the same amount of effort

like killing a bunch of fodder zombies isn't hard either and they both lead to the same end result

at least scourge pretends like fishing might actually be worth it by doing everything short of just including the angling items in the starter bag

[swift wharf]

I think blood orbs are cool it's just that the recipes are scuffed

[drowsy plank]

i think blood orb recipes are fine atm, cause if you made them much more expensive, i think at a certain point, ignoring people who just use AlchNPC, id probably rather just do bosses potionless if it took too long to get them

[little stag]

well giving players a kickstart for fishing is not bad
maybe making sandy angling kits something that is only dropped once and give like 2 out of the non-cellphone items?

or something like that

[swift wharf]

no like lifeforce uses the same recipe as ironskin which is ????

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah

[swift wharf]

if ur not gonna nerf them, at least buff the basic pots

[drowsy plank]

that's fair, i forget that lifeforce is just. craftable in preHM bc of that

true

[little stag]

blood orbs aren't a bad concept
though, how easily farmable do they become with zerg?

[drowsy plank]

while i think taking the actually cool, non-fishing rewards out of sandy and moving them to bleach is a solid idea, sandy is just the only real way to make preHM fishing actually withstandable comparatively to the grind necessary for it

ive definetly gotten a few hundred after popping a zerg before. one blood moon can usually bank you like 200-600 depending on your luck and ability to kill vs. spawnrates

like why does your fishing line just. snap sometimes

who thought that was a good mechanic

if fishing was actually engaging, that could be a cool punishment for fucking it up, but it's just RNG

which is like

all fishing is

RNG all the way down

and like that's not a bad thing, but it's to such a obnoxious degree

[golden tulip]

i heard dread also gives you a fuckton

[little stag]

I mean sure
but then you could make quests more consistent, and those items like the earring, fishing lines could be gotten in the like, 3rd quest or something
also making quests per day+night, so it resets every 12 minutes, not 24

[tardy smelt]

I think that's an Infernum thing

[drowsy plank]

like we remove damage variation based on luck because of how annoying it was, messing with cal's current stance on fishing would be really weird and much more severe than a like 1% damage variation on numbers

[golden tulip]

oh?

[tardy smelt]

yeep um

to incentivse people more to fight Dreadnaut I think...?

[golden tulip]

ic

[drowsy plank]

just make the angler give you the angler tackle bag when you talk to him for the first time

[swift wharf]

the angler is now useful

[small timber]

oh god this is still going on?

[little stag]

not bad, actually

[drowsy plank]

hey i mean he was useful before
you could feed him to trashers for the gold fishing pole

[small timber]

but ya, I do think death mode blood moon need to have stat increased instead of spawn rate increased

[little stag]

yes I brought it up again

[small timber]

and then you make blood moon (mini)bosses drop a bunch more blood orb then other normal enemy

[swift wharf]

[soft quest]

Blood orbs are an inherently flawed mechanic, so is buying potions straight up, however, any fun and enjoyable rework to the alchemy and brewing system would be a too big of a rework to implement

[swift wharf]

angler shop when

[drowsy plank]

that's what ive been saying!!!

lmao

[soft quest]

Oh I should’ve read context

[drowsy plank]

truly, when will vanilla terraria have an actual crossover with stardew valley and fix their fuckin fishing and farming systems 🙏

[little stag]

depends on how you rework it ig?

[small timber]

just make potion yield higher should be a temporary solution but sadly people are not interested enough in it

[soft quest]

That’s an awful solution

[small timber]

(91 is relatively low, I guess people just use alcnpc all the time)

[drowsy plank]

i think people approached red about fixing fishing and farming and he said it was a terraria 2 idea which really gives you an idea of just how bad it is right now

[soft quest]

That doesn’t fix the problem, only fixes a symptom of the problem, and that being potion making is tedious and annoying and takes waaaay too long to make a batch of potions that will run out in 30 boss attempts, which is like nothing for the endgame bosses

[devout shell]

scal toilet based

[cobalt pewter]

are you referring to my sugg over there or

[drowsy plank]

30 is being generous too

[soft quest]

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

oh yeah increased yield

[soft quest]

Increasing yield does not make the experience of making potions and fishing across the world any better

[small timber]

that is literally what higher potion yield is supposed to fix, by making so making "a batch of potions" take less ingredient (thus less grind) and easier/less tedious (less amount of material required to craft the same amount of potion)

[small timber]

hence why it is a quote and quote "temporary solution"

[cobalt pewter]

it doesn't inherently fix fishing, but it's a much better band-aid than potion selling

[small timber]

I doubt calamity will ever change fishing mechanically since it is too much into the realm of vanilla altering

[cobalt pewter]

giving up potions to the mercy of Terraria economy

lemao

[soft quest]

True

[small timber]

and same with potion crafting

[soft quest]

I really wish I could know how to mod so badly because I have an entire system worked out in my head to make it fun

[drowsy plank]

i dunno, i mean we really overhaul some mechanics, and i dont think anyone is in love with vanilla fishing, but i think the bigger issue is even the vanilla team know it's a problem, and doesn't think they can manage to fix it. i think if it was easy though, SOMEONE would have addressed it by now

[small timber]

I cant really think of some that are like, massive overhaul (mechanically)
preHM ore armor rework those kind of stuff are more item balancing than mechanic overhaul

same with RoD/chaos state

[soft quest]

I have like 100 good ideas for fishing but I could never have the motivation to learn to code to do so

[small timber]

mechanic overhaul will be like, give every ranger weapon an ammo/reload system

[soft quest]

😍

[drowsy plank]

lol

[soft quest]

That would be unironically awesome. The guns in overhaul feel so powerful and amazing because of reloads and barrel spinning ups

[cobalt pewter]

just copy Crashlands fishing

(better fishing than Terraria)

[soft quest]

I was more thinking a mix between stardew and RuneScape

I love the idea of nets vs fishing poles vs crab cages for different catches

I also love stardews little fishing mini game bar thing

And the rarity system

[cobalt pewter]

for context, Crashlands fishing puts you into a chill minigame where you see these rocks swimming around your hook, and the rocks often vary in size and density

the more you have these rocks line up within the pull area of your hook, the more things you can get when you click to pull the hook

[soft quest]

Sounds cool

[cobalt pewter]

most of the aquatic creatures that can be caught will also vary in size, and the game typically lists your biggest fish pull so far

that one is entirely cosmetics but very fun to see

[soft quest]

And then for actual brewing instead of just a crafting for potions you could have a cool UI and an interesting brewing system, like Minecraft’s brewing stand.

[small timber]

in calamity you instead enter a "fishing subworld" when you try to fish and fight the fishes directly
fish basically spawn as actual enemy that you have to defeat and drop their loot when they are killed, and things like Reaver Shark are spawned as miniboss or something

'insert calamity boss rush mod in 2050 quote here'

[drowsy plank]

terrifying

[hollow shell]

FNAF Pizza Sim lemonade clown minigame???
(fruit punch clown too)

[little stag]

instead of being used to craft potions directly, blood orbs could be used as a help to do them
like, for example making a bloody water bottle with blood orbs and a water bottle which would do exactly the same potions as a water bottle but in greater yield

[cobalt pewter]

what da heck I have never heard of those

[little stag]

hold on, lemonade clown?

[grim tusk]

AIRHORNS
Fruit punch for @ everyone

[little stag]

maybe the game (terraria) could have fish, crates and etc as things that actually appear in the water while fishing, and your yield would be based off these visual cues? just some idea I had based off that

[marble moat]

just add stardew fishing and problem is immediately solved

[inner anvil]

Do they know? :clueless:

[gilded scroll]

uhhhhh- why are a good portion of the star reacts in suggestions voting just turned to one....?

[hollow shell]

client-side

It'll fix itself eventually

[gilded scroll]

alrighty, i assume it wont affect votes in the future?

[hollow shell]

byeah it's only visual and only on your end (or the end of any given user who encounters the bug)
The numbers are still stored server-side and so the bot always knows what the actual counts are

[gilded scroll]

awesome, awesome, i just had to made sure, thank ya mate

[hollow shell]

(I, too, see two suggs with only 1 star from a random user
but yeah we've got experience with this issue already)

[frail mantle]

@analog badger why

[frosty trellis]

Think the ss there was supposed to be the reasoning as there are no post ml pre provi snipers

But also no pre dog ones so there is that

But also

Not every subclass needs to be covered at every stage

[swift wharf]

subclass dont question mark

[hollow shell]

Why does that tier need a sniper rifle specifically though?

yeah

[frail mantle]

yeah

[gilded scroll]

thats why subclasses are fun and a challenge to limit yourself to

[glass arch]

yeah if you choose to do a subclass playthrough thats on you

[frosty trellis]

Like there aren't any spears post Yharon

[frosty trellis]

F.e.

[swift wharf]

nadir

[frosty trellis]

Or a Post Yharon spell Tome

[swift wharf]

simply just use previous [subclass weapon]

[glass arch]

oh wait there isnt??? i never realized

[hollow shell]

And those 'limitations' are fine cuz the class always has other options

[frosty trellis]

Yeah
Next spell Tome after Horizon/Recitation/Primordial is SSV

[half sage]

yep, Subsuming vortex used to be auric but now it's post exos, so auric has no spell tome

[half sage]

or heresy/rancor if you do Scal first

[gilded scroll]

why use a rifle on Providence when you have Clockwork Bow, literally one of the best options-

[frosty trellis]

Another Auric mage or Summon weapon would be nice

[frosty trellis]

If either we're good I would agree

[glass arch]

i mean iirc recitation is still viable for exos but yeah

[swift wharf]

ssv is post yharon

[glass arch]

[hollow shell]

It technically is yes

[frosty trellis]

It's the best option for night provi but for day provi there are a number of options that are better

[swift wharf]

everything is a sniper if you believe hard enough

[frosty trellis]

Namely Celebration mk.ii and starfleet, being 2 minutes and 1 minute faster than clockwork respectively

[swift wharf]

😌

is this a mininuke I moment

[gilded scroll]

Celebration MKII still busted?

[frosty trellis]

It was never nerfed

[frosty trellis]

No the red rockets use local immunity frames and do like a stupid amount of damage bc of it

[swift wharf]

dear heavens

[frosty trellis]

The red rockets alone are around ~40% of the dps for Cele Mk.II

[drowsy plank]

why aren't there any sniper rifles preHM

[glass arch]

doesnt perfs drop one?

[swift wharf]

yes

and musket is a thing

(Techinically a sniper rifle)

[drowsy plank]

huh

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[spice nest]

Whenever I approach the sunken sea lab my game freezes then crashes with no error code any help?

[glass arch]

#bugs-read-pins

[spice nest]

mb

[ruby plover]

i love how the latest suggestion incorectly placed pestilent defiler lol

[fiery venture]

Brimstone inferno potion

basically inferno but inflicts brimflame instead of normal flame

[swift wharf]

technically correct

wrong reply yippie

[hollow shell]

What is technically correct

[little stag]

Whenever they're approaching the sunken sea lab their game freezing then crashing with no error code

[swift wharf]

this

[hollow shell]

ah

[drowsy plank]

@frigid yew pretty sure this is already known, as there is also a vanilla item with the same name as the dragonfruit (which you directly mentioned but did not point out it shares a name with a vanilla fruit lmfao)

[frigid yew]

til there's vanilla dragonfruit

well shit. idk what to do then. that one isn't easily changeable

[drowsy plank]

the devs are just gonna change the name once they're working on the game again

they're on hiatus until the tmod port drops i believe, which i get bc

[frigid yew]

i knew it was already known since it's on the wiki but i wasn't sure there were plans to change it

[drowsy plank]

yeah there are

[frigid yew]

ah, the vanilla item is "dragon fruit", whereas calamity's is "dragonfruit". completely different

(i am joking that's the same damn thing. goddammit)

[frigid yew]

yeah makes sense. i wouldn't bother with it if i were them either if the 1.4.4 port is imminent

[distant gyro]

vanilla stealing 75% of calamity fruit names

[frigid yew]

it's a shame bc miracle fruit, blood orange, dragonfruit, and elderberry are definitely the four most magical-sounding fruit names

what's even left

cloudberries are pretty magical-sounding

as a siberian the representation would make me weirdly happy too

[buoyant siren]

Could possibly name it to Draconic Fruit or something

[crude geode]

There’s already names planned iirc

[small timber]

Is it? I thought they are still not implemented mainly because they havent find good names yet

[flint notch]

Thoughts?

[crude geode]

This sounds like balancing hell

[drowsy plank]

doesnt really make sense and just kinda makes the system more convoluted. i think charge is supposed to be more like ranger ammo, and id prefer to have less variation between weapons

that too

[flint notch]

yeahhh i figured

[crude geode]

New optimal setup is 20 tesla cannons on Yharon

[small timber]

It will probably be like not a super big deal on most draedon weapon but it will make the charge mechanic completely pointless

[drowsy plank]

actually this just makes tesla cannon meta into the default

yeah that

[fossil finch]

do you want higher damage but theres literally no downside at all

like literally

its just a glorified use continuously and damage more

[small timber]

If this is implemented they will just reduce damage to "normal level" and then you have just normal weapon v2.0

[flint notch]

yeah thats true

[drowsy plank]

charge is fine as it tbf tbh smh my head

[fossil finch]

me with an inventory, a piggy, a safe, a forge, a void bag and multiple chests full of one use left tesla cannons on my wayt o

[small timber]

I think it will be cool for like a draedon themed accessory that allow you to charge up (stand still and have animation so it is unudable mid combat and whatnot) by using cells from inventory without using station, but that is really it

And that really is just becuase it is themed, it is redundant even since charging with station is not difficult in the first place

[flint notch]

Charge just always felt weird ig

[frosty trellis]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff

Yharon dies faster than event horizon shenanigans

[drowsy plank]

yharon 3 second killtime

[flint notch]

LOL

yeah i dont really know how to go forward with this sug

[frosty trellis]

Don't tempt me to go full dps rubber mortar Karasawa

[drowsy plank]

me and the homies in multiplayer with 20 0.1% charge tesla cannons locked onto yharon

[frosty trellis]

DEAR GOD

[flint notch]

Gameplay

its not really breaking any Don'ts so should i keep up orrr?

[small timber]

It is technically valid but if even yourself dont like it then I dont think it should stay

[flint notch]

fair

[drowsy plank]

i wouldnt want it to pass, and i really doubt the devs would approve it for a multitude of reasons, but there's nothing saying you can't keep it up lmao

[flint notch]

Vanished

like i was never here

[drowsy plank]

lol

[small timber]

also subclass suggestion when yoyos get to use post-providence stuff all the way to post DoG, can ask MPG how lacerator perform on DoG

[frosty trellis]

HEY

HEY

HEy

THAT

NO

PLEASE NO

[unreal viper]

Remove charge instead

[frosty trellis]

But yeah it sucks on DoG

Tester loadout ripperless

[small timber]

Charges is intentionally there to set draedon weapon apart from other weapon

So probably it is never going away unless they had a gigantic reconsideration for draedon weapons

[unreal viper]

A more generic rework suggestion might go through

[small timber]

Of you were doing it on testers, so no alcohols and candles even

[unreal viper]

Now charge just kinda makes you switch weapons at some point in the fight, and you could just switch to another of the same weapon.

[small timber]

"removing charges on draedon weapon" is probably counted as 'huge reconsideration suggestion' so I will imagine it cant pass

[flint notch]

I think one did pass actually

[small timber]

It was awhile ago (months I think?)

[flint notch]

Yeah

[small timber]

Oh I thought you mean remove charges suggestion

[flint notch]

Oh lol

My bad

Can’t read

[small timber]

I think like 1 (one) remove charges suggestion went into voting, but probably have the intention of seeing how many people like the idea

[flint notch]

Ah

[frosty trellis]

Yeah bc it's the setup I had on hand and didn't feel like making a new world just for candles

[small timber]

Yeah there was one (and it didnt get too much vote)

[swift wharf]

he was forced to wait 20 seconds

[small timber]

I suggest to just make blood orb being able to be found in Brimstone Crates or something (they do have ties for having bloodstone), having Bloody Tear just being there in the chest is just strange

[wary pier]

not as strange as having literal eyeball I guess?

[small timber]

that or somehow make bloody tear crafting not require blood orb but some alternative material at higher cost

eyeball is mostly removed (except abyss chest, not sure if that one is removed too)

[wary pier]

that's could work

it's just a bit strange

usually people complain like omg blood moon second night, but here it's like wth

[glass arch]

i definitely agree with that

[small timber]

yes it often is blood moon second night

in fact in my pt right now it happen like 2 times in 10 days right after I have above 200 hp

[glass arch]

ive done a couple playthroughs in a row where i didnt get a blood moon at all or not until close to the end of the game

[wary pier]

usually yes, but I was shocked when I opened bosschecklist and saw DoG ✅, next event Blood Moon

[small timber]

I think something like souls of night being bloody tear recipe can fit

at the very least you get it after entering HM (if by chance you didnt get it naturally)

[frosty trellis]

I've had a bloodmoon not spawn until post DoG myself

[wary pier]

souls are hm item, it's a bit too late

[crude geode]

it's fine?