suggestions-discussion

[swift wharf]

because I definitely need those in post plantera

[drowsy plank]

i mean there are some shard weapon uprades and shark is easier than farming mummies for it

but i get what you mean

[tardy smelt]

early hardmode also gives you a lot of things from the get-go

although thats a bit more tiered now thanks to hardmode ore progression

[swift wharf]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

if calclone is really the equivalent to plant, they should move a bunch of plant's unlocks to calclone

[tardy smelt]

so I think that moving him ahead in progression (and making him cooler maybe because he's really basic even for being a miniboss at the moment) is the play here

[tardy smelt]

[small timber]

I think pre-mech pre-Queen Slime probably fit much more

you unlock sandstorm at pre-mech, you unlock great sand shark

[swift wharf]

wdym basic

man's in the boat with earth elemental

[short walrus]

single celled organism

[swift wharf]

true..

[unreal viper]

Removed.

[drowsy plank]

true

[little stag]

sorry for the late reply
if you're willing to, please give the feedback since I'd like to hear it
I speccified it for the sake of brainstorming really, but thanks for the criticism

[hollow shell]

aight yeah the gist of my feedback was that you were overly specific with your implementation
You don't need to describe how the radar would be Draedon themed and need to be placed down and have to be fueled with ingredients from the relevant biome represented by a meter etc etc etc

You should keep it closer to the core idea, an item radar that helps you more easily find the items naturally, instead of having the recipes to get them instantly

If you delve into overly-specifics like this, it reduces the chances that people will vote on it and reduces the chances that the devs will implement it,
because even if they agree with the concept of an item radar, they may disagree with exactly how you proposed it should be implemented, and therefore reject it overall

(The time is almost up on your sugg, 24 hours, so it'd probably be better to repost it instead of editing it)

[little stag]

I did already sort of discard that idea because of shimmer
but if the suggestion still doesn't become too much of a filler instead of an aid in the suggestions even with that, then I don't think it should be too bad to still put it as an actual suggestion for simply just making the idea be shown

[little stag]

aight got it

[hollow shell]

You can choose to not repost it if you think Shimmer solves the issue well enough

Your choice.

[golden tulip]

yea @fossil finch

[hollow shell]

Well if it's revealed knowledge then yeah
We do have it listed among our plans to move GSS to post-ML, as that stage of the game is in greater need of expansion (and (technically) non-boss content) than Post-Plantera

The exact tier is not specifically planned afaik, but definitely somewhere in post-ML.
I think it was more likely to be directly after ML, actually

[golden tulip]

epico

how did fabsol not know about it then

[frosty trellis]

Being immediately post ML would be great

Since then you have profaned enemies, gss, and folly to go after

[small timber]

though I think it will be abit strange to move GSS specifically to post-ML?

supposedly when profaned biome rework comes it will be an immediate post-ML content, and sentinels (kinda) is also right after post-ML, at least imo

(and there is also post-ML dungeon eventhough it is not much)

[frosty trellis]

I mean in the standard progression of the mod sentinels and post ml dungeon are post providence

[hollow shell]

Having a big influx of content right after Moon Lord is better than inflating Post-Plant even more

Makes the game stage transition more similar to Hardmode, post-WoF

[small timber]

I was thinking premech since calamity premech is abit weird compare to vanilla right now

You basically get cobalt and you are ready to go, you dont really have to heavily farm things like mimic and biome mimic they are either easily obtainable or craftable

[hollow shell]

That wouldn't really get solved by moving GSS there though would it

Not directly

[small timber]

Yeah, I just felt it is the progression that fit most naturally (HM = sandshark can start spawning, and you have a great sandshark as miniboss, it make the most sense)

[hollow shell]

perhaps

[small timber]

Imo partially is because gss is like... Doesnt feel fitting/random for postML?

Thematically I mean

[hollow shell]

Sand Elementals are already there post-WoF, though you can't do a whole lot with their Forbidden Fragments right away
Can be argued as a good fit for GSS move due to being fitting, or as a bad move for GSS cuz Desert already gets stuff around that point

[lucid flare]

have you guys even decided what to do with sand scale weapons if great sand gets retiered

[hollow shell]

(It was part a larger plan that wouldn't make it seem so out of place)

[hollow shell]

No cuz the plan's still very tentative

[small timber]

👍

Though speaking of forbidden fragment is there any plan to make cryonic ore progression more natural?

Currently cryogen is basically a premech boss but the ore it spawn cant be used until after post2 mech

[hollow shell]

Several devs have qualms with Cryonic Ore

But

Nothing solid in the plans for reworking or re-tiering it, despite knowing it's a problem

Well, kinda
It's weird

The problems with it are talked about a lot more than there have been proposed solutions for it, I'll say that

[small timber]

I know this sounds.abit specific, but what if make cryonic ore immediately usable after cryogen (no hm forge/anvil req) and you can craft weapons with it, but the armor set require titanium/adamantite still and is a 1 helmet armor that is 5 class muticlass

[hollow shell]

It wouldn't be the first time we had a weapon set - armor separation

Though I'm not the biggest fan of it

Its main issue is the redundancy with Cryogen's drops
If they're put on the same tier, and one of them is to stay, then the other has to go

[half sage]

frigid bars

[hollow shell]

.. hm, Cryo seems to have lost a lot of drops from last time I checked
I knew about em individually but haven't looked at his loot table in a while

Bittercold Staff and Glacial Crusher are both no more

Now he only has

(oh right, and)

One for each class

So that's good!

Cryonic also lost Trinity sword, so less redundancy there too

[small timber]

Was thinking which boss will be in the same situation (same tier drop and material) but can only thought of golem and postML bosses

But ya cryogen loot seems more tamed than I remembered too (in terms of how many there are)

[hollow shell]

Plantera

Perennial still crafts a full weapon set, Plantera drops a full weapon set

(We do have big plans for Perennial though)

((like all things))

[small timber]

I completely forgot that perennial have weapons make of just bars
(Does anyone actually use them)

[hollow shell]

No idea

[drowsy plank]

the perrenial shotbow is good and that's it basically

anyone ever notice how many weapons randomly inflict cursed inferno + ichor for no real thematic reason

continental greatbow, perrenial weapons, celestial claymore, etc.

a few i get because they just wanted green fire so they used the default green fire but some of these are just kinda weird. and there are a ton of weapons that just. have the hardmode evil components thrown in for... reasons

like ultra liquidator and the devastation line

[unreal viper]

Doesn’t necro armor set bonus give crit? @river path I agree with the suggestion, but add this. Stat comparisons might also be useful.

[river path]

It does, I was looking at the wrong necro armor, but it still does not take away for the fact that necro armor does not provide much benfit when compared to its peers in aerospec and stategel armor, I feel like a single class armor, expecially one avalable so late into pre hardmode. It gives less raw stat bonus then statigel and aerospec

[river path]

made shure to include it gives bonus crit

[drowsy plank]

god
this is gonna be the third time a necro buff is gonna be proposed and i already know it's gonna die like the rest and it drives me insane

necro is such a nothing set, getting an actual bonus would make bone wings so good, but no one ever votes for it

i dont know why

[river path]

my personal feeling on statigel and aerospec armor is that they are useful for multiclass playthroughs, where you might want to use diffrent helmets for whatever class you are primarly using. I do not think they should be better then an armor set focused around a single class

[river path]

bone wings are post plantera why farm for them when you can just get shroomite

[drowsy plank]

yes...?

exactly my point?

[river path]

shroomite is just flat out better at that stage so why use bone wings necro armor

[drowsy plank]

if necro got a buff, then bone wings could actually be viable

[river path]

I also have thogutht of another idea for a necro armor set bonus, which is essentaly the titaniam shards, but as bone fragments.

They orbit the player dealing damage on enemny contact, and only spawn from point blank hits, they also deal less damage then the titanium shards

[drowsy plank]

the idea doesnt really matter

the devs are going to do whatever they think is best

what really matters is the reasons why

[river path]

I feel necro armor is not buffed so that the calamity devs can force players to use the new modded armor

[drowsy plank]

that just is not true

im pretty sure necro still has higher raw stats, the modded armors just have cool set bonuses that are much more useful

[river path]

I know its not true, but thats what It feels like

[river path]

Necro actully doesnt

[drowsy plank]

well regardless cal isnt trying to force modded sets, just look at the ore armor reworks, and the fact necro even has bone wings in the first place. of all the sets to be overshadowed, necro was not supposed to be one of them

[river path]

Both statigel and necro give +15% damage, statigel gives 12% crit chance compared to Necro's 10%, The only thing necro armor has better is 20% ammo reservation, which is pretty pointless

[frosty matrix]

they should tie the bone wings to a new set which is an upgrade to necro before you gain access to shroomite

[river path]

bone wings are post plantera, they drop from armored bones

[drowsy plank]

i dont know why you keep saying that

bone wings have a set synergy with necro armor in calamity

also post-Plant does NOT need any more armor sets

moving Bone Wings would be nice but there really just isn't a good place to put them, and it would deviate too much from vanilla

[frosty matrix]

i keep forgetting its post-plant, sorry

[drowsy plank]

dw lmao

[tardy geyser]

buffing brimstone flames probably doesnt need a suggestion right? currently its worse than cursed inferno, 20 vs 24 dps respectively

which makes flask of cursed flames better than flask of brimstone, despite being earlier in progression

[lost valley]

yeah it just needs it

[ruby plover]

i think it would be better to slightly nerf cursed flames and slightly buff brimstone

[grim tusk]

Oh it hasnt been buffed?

[tardy geyser]

unless the wiki is outdated, ill check in game rn

[tardy geyser]

to not make calzone fight harder?

[distant gyro]

it hasn't

part 2 of buff plans hasn't been enacted

[ruby plover]

debuffs have seperate values for the amount they do to players, and the amoutn they do to enemies

[tardy geyser]

ah yea true

[tardy geyser]

so its already planned to be buffed?

[distant gyro]

aka whatever this is and more
#1016527231239082066 message

[grim tusk]

They cant access it

[distant gyro]

cri

[glass arch]

gigachad moment

[river path]

Rip necro armor convo

[hollow shell]

This Necro suggestion is actually not bad, cuz it keeps the specifics as just examples and provides more than one

The balancing rule is more so for weapons, stuff that can have DPS and Kill Time tests, something that can be changed with simple number tweaks to damage, usetime, etc

Asking for a new set bonus for an armor is much more on the dev side of things than the tester side, so I think it is fine as a full suggestion

[river path]

Thanks, I also suggested in this channel about having a set bonus similar to titanium but it being weaker and only activating from point blank ranged attacks, but that’s just another idea

Really I want something to make necro armor viable, and not just stats

[serene tendon]

Necro Armor could allow bows and guns to use bones as ammo.

[river path]

Genius idea, maybe a bit powerful since bones deal 20 damage

[serene tendon]

The point kind of was it could turn weapons into a star cannon of sorts. It wouldn't be OP though imo.

[crude geode]

@oak sage the fifth paragraph sounds like a bug

[oak sage]

hard to know

it could be there

but either way, if it was more obvious I would know

[hollow shell]

How many worlds did you generate to get these conclusions?
I personally don't know the finer details of the new gen

[hot zephyr]

go go gadget spelunker potion

[hollow shell]

Haven't heard of this idea for balancing MP yet

Trying to make bosses "close out" the teamkill, trying a bit harder when there are less players

I've only ever heard of and seen
just, making it so players cannot respawn while a boss is alive

[river path]

What if bosses attack with less delay in multiplayer with the delay getting less the more people, and also, bosses will sometimes attack a random player ignoring aggro

[hot zephyr]

that'd be horrible

just install better multiplayer

reducing attack delay would result in undodgeable situations, or not translate well at all

bosses attacking random would take Terraria's already horrible aggro system and make it even more unpredictable

[unreal viper]

@hot zephyr Have the testers formally tackled mythril armor versus shroomite armor? I'm interested in whether mythril does better damage.

[tardy smelt]

Aggro indicators could help in MP honestly

[hollow shell]

That would indeed help

[tardy smelt]

Just any direct visual for that a boss is targetting X player

And taking making aggro decay way less based on distance maybe too...?

[tardy smelt]

I'm not sure if its something for Cal specifically to do but it wouldn't hurt to sugg about that I think...?

[grim tusk]

Does mythril inherit flasks again?

[unreal viper]

Wdym?

Like do the projectiles inflict the debuffs?

hm, lemme check

Not sure if this is relevant considering I'm focusing on ranger here.

[drowsy plank]

gonna be honest bosses slowly increasing their enrage status as players remaining die would def make boss fights in MP more engaging

[small timber]

Most direct way will be just increasing damage and make MP player respawn time longer

Bosses kill player faster, player die for longer, so if they play bad it will just turn into singleplayer

[drowsy plank]

fair

[small timber]

But ya regardless I do feel boss MP hp scaling need to be tuned up anyway

1.2x (I think last time I check?) on 2 player doesnt really make sense to me effectively bosses start with 60% hp

Unless one of the player really cannot play the game bosses will always be melted

[oak sage]

i kinda hate this idea, since its exciting when youre barely making it by via the time. its a rush of trying to survive, and relief when you succeed for long enough. then again, i play death mode so maybe thats why its not as op feeling

one idea i had is to make it scale with more players

if you have 2 players, its 30 seconds until respawn

if you have 3 players, its 45 seconds until respawn

it gains 15 seconds per player

mods like Better Multiplayer only let you disable respawning and nothing else

as far as i know

[hollow shell]

mm

[oak sage]

its more than that, at least 50% per player in effect, but the math is pretty complicated

but thats for vanilla

idk what happens in calamity, i play a 3 player world, bosses such as cryogen and twins have taken at least 5 minutes for us to kill, it certainly feels like a lot

actually im playing multiple playthroughs rn as different classes

cause i have one with my gf, one with my cousins, and another with a friend.

so i have a lot of data on this lmao

[small timber]

For calamity the hp multiplier need to be very close to 1.0 per player I think

Mainly because calamity massively expanded players' survivability, and most bosses are designed to wear doen player over a long term fight instead of killing them outright (except several final boss starting from dog)

Even providence to certain degree is an endurance fight

[small timber]

Unless it is iframe issue I cant imagine it taking this long, otherwise they are maybe using really bad weapons or play with no buffs and scuffed accessories

[sand ermine]

infinite flight time is not balanced in calamity

and it shouldnt be balanced around it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah infinite flight breaks stuff like DoG, Exos and SCal

1 extra second of flight time is unironically amazing

[sand ermine]

true

this isnt the best comparison, but fargos souls bosses in post-ml are all balanced around infinite flight

[frosty trellis]

Would I ever use it? No
But I will admit just how useful it is

[sand ermine]

and you can see they are

a whole lot different in terms of how they work

[frosty trellis]

While calamity definitely isn't

[sand ermine]

(and a whole lot better)

[frosty trellis]

Hence tracers having far less flight time than wings

[sand ermine]

the tradeoff is increased run speed though

which is very nice

like

do you want the full experience of wings? or do you want a sorta full experience of wings plus some increased run speed

its only nice for getting around the world though tbh

[frosty trellis]

I would say the run speed is nice for Hallowed Provi and then the horizontal speed benefits are fucking dumb for Exos and pretty good for SCal post bh4

[sand ermine]

in boss fights its negligible

it depends on your playstyle

[small timber]

soaring insignia is a vanilla boss drop so they will not move it

[sand ermine]

anyway dying light 1 finished downloading, ill see yall 🫡

[small timber]

especially to a boss that basically have 0 connection to it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

and also turns out soaring insignia is still extremely good (basically still the best movement accessory in the game beside wings/tracers)

I almost always use it on DoG and Providence (for pre-ML for Astrum Deus, Lunatic Cultist and even Moon Lord)

I guess people just like their ultimate build
(fuck this is outdated now that shattering is removed)

[frosty trellis]

LOL

That is still amazing though

I also love how this used the least good of the main 4 post dog defensive accessories

[small timber]

core of the blood god and rampart doesn't give Damage Reduction it must be bad

(ok fuck this is bigger than I thought)

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[frosty trellis]

Wait but rampart does give DR

[small timber]

but rampart doesn't give DR if you are already dead, in calamity bosses one shot you

it totally make all the sense

[frosty trellis]

I

No

Dammit

[cobalt pewter]

@fathom aspen #bugs-read-pins

since it's obviously not intended

plus you'll waste time suggesting this when it could be fixed the next update

[fathom aspen]

ok ik

[keen zodiac]

is someone gonna ❗ the soaring insignia suggestion

[small timber]

(reposted suggestion because I just remembered I still want this to happen)

yeah, even ignoring the idea itself, the soaring insignia suggestion just lacks the reasoning of "how can soaring insiginia be more balanced by moving it to post-Providence" and also they have no proof on current version of soaring insignia being bad (when it is still very much decent to good)

and they can just make the suggestion way less controversial by suggesting to give an upgrade to soaring insignia at post-Providence (or simplified it to "some point Post-Moon Lord") that buff its effect (instead of moving the item for some reason)

@dapper tendon ^

[swift wharf]

there's an upgrade

exo chair

[lucid flare]

also who tf would use that weird metal glove instead of something like asgardian aegi

[swift wharf]

glass cannon weirdos

[tropic sleet]

I feel like melee should not be the class for people who wanna be glass cannons

[lucid flare]

mage & summoner almost always have the least defense of all the classes

and they wanna play glass cannon with the one that has the most defense

[tropic sleet]

Correct

[lucid flare]

"oh no this gives Ddefense and HPiss i can't use it :(((((((((("

just fuckin use statis' whatever then

[swift wharf]

Jokes aside

Playing as a glass cannon should still be possible in any class

[tardy smelt]

beetle armor was a viable glass armor up to like

Yharon, I think

dunno if it still is but its kinda hilarious how that works

you can get really bulky as a summoner and really glassy as a melee, either way

[grim tusk]

Soaring insignia does far more than 25% increased flight time

[swift wharf]

but infinite flight 😭 😢 ‼️

[cobalt pewter]

while this isn't exactly calamity related, I feel like Insignia in vanilla should just be the daytime EoL reward instead of stupid summoner sord

[drowsy plank]

true

[novel belfry]

I remembered how in MrJFL's sentry playthrough, he was still not getting one-shot throughout post-Moon Lord with the Valhalla Knight armor

[drowsy plank]

me when vanilla tank armor

i just remembered shinobi infiltrator gives melee speed bonuses

which effectively makes it a sort of bootleg whip armor

that's very funny

[gilded scroll]

Aye random question
You get pinged when your suggestions get statuses like in consideration/will be implemented?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[blazing kettle]

ah yes, a pog dog weapon

[frosty trellis]

Mb

Fixed

[gilded scroll]

Thank ya

[fervent orbit]

@bright crag mpg told me youd be a person i should ping for testing times
Mage on Moonlord (ML)
Page 1 is current class setups
Page 2 is vanilla pre-cultist
Page 3 is calamity pre-cultist
Page 4 is calamity post-cultist

[bright crag]

I am indeed
Thank you!

I don't quite understand why you guys use Greater Luck when it has no effect on damage :p

[fervent orbit]

it does

[bright crag]

Also
Why Everglade Spray?
It's a mid-HM support weapon

[fervent orbit]

higher chance for high rolls

[inner anvil]

No, not in Calamity.

We removed that.

[bright crag]

^

[fervent orbit]

o

[drowsy plank]

it's cause it was on class setups and i brought it up in our server chat lmfao

[distant gyro]

use greater luck for the funsies

[hot zephyr]

even if greater luck had influence on damage I still wouldn't use it in testing because NOBODY farms for luck boosters

[frosty trellis]

Blood Orbs

Exist

[inner anvil]

You use Blood Orbs for far more useful things.

[frosty trellis]

I thought it was greatly diminished not removed

[inner anvil]

It was straight up removed.

[drowsy plank]

based calamity

[frosty trellis]

I use them for greater luck AND far more useful things. A good mob farm + zergs and chaos candles in a death mode blood moon can get me 30 of everything for fargo's permapots

[inner anvil]

💤

Sorry, had to do it.

[frosty trellis]

I thought it did still have an influence which is why I've been using it

When testing

[inner anvil]

It still has influence in loot pools!

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[bright crag]

Nope, it doesn't influence damage

Also not everyone sets up mob farms

[frosty trellis]

I mean fair

[fervent orbit]

i dont need mob farms

[inner anvil]

So true Stip.

[fervent orbit]

i just need a good minion

[frosty trellis]

It's not hard to just setup a simple lava pyramid so that's what I've been doing recenlty as an effort to try and avoid using alchlite to buy potions outright

[inner anvil]

Any based "I buy potions from NPCs" enjoyers in the chat?

[frosty trellis]

I mean I do for the normal stuff

I just try and avoid it if I can

Except draconic elixers, fuck that

[fervent orbit]

oop accidently deleted 1st page lmao

[hollow shell]

@summer rock No joke suggestions read doc in pins

[fervent orbit]

is back

[hollow shell]

@summer rock Do you have somewhere else to be

[fervent orbit]

getting off this server, just like he suggested

[thorn dock]

Who to ping to check if buff on mutated truffle is needed?

Already tried two times via suggestions but didn't make it. Last time exceeded 150 votes.

Also it appeard mutated truffle frames conflict with minion frames.

[grim tusk]

The reason luck affecting dmg was removed is the same as to why we nerfed Old Die, it still was op and then we had to rework that shit

Luck was basically going to be old die 2

[hollow shell]

It seems like you're right
Young Duke does not use localNPC immunity / hit cooldown
It just has normal ole infinite pierce, meaning it can interfere with other things that have infinite pierce

[grim tusk]

Oh that explains why that acc sucks

Imma bring it up on dev

[drowsy plank]

@hollow shell another joke sugg in #suggestions-posting

[hollow shell]

@north aurora Do you legitimately want there to be an upgrade to the Soul Edge? If so, why?

[north aurora]

yes i do want an upgrade of soul edge. i feel like an upgrade would be cool

[crude geode]

"It would be cool" is not enough reasoning

[north aurora]

the subnautical plates on the fandom wiki just gave me that idea

[lost valley]

it would be cool tho

[north aurora]

i dont know what an upgrade would do, but it seems intresting to me

[swift wharf]

el projectile sword numero 10

[hollow shell]

byeah you'd need to actually provide reasoning for why it would benefit the mod

[gilded scroll]

Like
Can I use my suggestion as an example?

[north aurora]

oh i should have thought this through

[gilded scroll]

Basically, my suggestion can be broken down into more uses for Draedon Power Cells, as right now, they serve little purpose

Perhaps using the old turrets, or crafting your own, to use as base defense
However, it is for the devs to decide upon

This was it, by the way

[shell grotto]

Good to know also thank god.

[hollow shell]

heh

[lucid flare]

did it even make a difference

[crude geode]

yes

[lucid flare]

.was it a big difference

[crude geode]

.

considering it's compared to old die I would think so

[lucid flare]

well i never realy used old die

[drowsy plank]

boss rush balance suggestion

[dense locust]

are there an exeptionally high number of those? oops

[ruby plover]

i doubt this boss rush suggestion is something thats intended

like, surely the projectiles doing about 1 damage is an oversight

rather than being done on purpose

[dense locust]

what I think might be happening is the game's using the initial fight's values as the damage values, which given the issues earlier in 1.4 with bosses being treated as the actual fight, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case

[cobalt pewter]

boss rush is painful to balance

because of its nature of taking a long ass time for each attempt

unlike balancing 42 separate bosses

[small timber]

Just make is so you are inflicted with like banishing fire or something for 0.2 second after taking damage from any attack in boss rush, so you are guaranteed to lose 100-200 HP from each attack

I can see nothing wrong with the idea :clueless:

[cobalt pewter]

at that point just slap arma on br

[velvet plume]

Is it true that Animus and a lot of other OG items got removed?

If so thats kind of disappointing

[frosty trellis]

Yes although this isn't the place for that

Especially since adding old content back is a don't

[crude geode]

a bit late to the party
I can't recall where it is but there's an explanation

[velvet plume]

I heard of it a while ago but did not know for certain

I heard the explanation was too many end game items or something like that but I thought it was cool to have a selection

[crude geode]

#changelogs message

here you are

[frosty trellis]

Tldr: Kill the bad unoriginal weapons that suck to get rid of item bloat and bad weapon and then can focus on balancing easier. And also stuff with no potential gets removed bc it's not worth reworking

Also has the side benefit of people being able to use the more cooler and original weapons rather than some unoriginal and probably bad weapons

From what Nycro has said

[crude geode]

too late, already pulled up the official statement from fab

byeah that's a decent tldr

[velvet plume]

Thank you, still sad Animus and a few others are gone cause those were my favorites

[frosty trellis]

Bye bye coldheart

[glass arch]

that weapon is stupid ngl

[velvet plume]

who

is there any new sprites?

boss wise

[drowsy plank]

what

what are you talking about

[crude geode]

this really isn't the chat for this

[velvet plume]

https://tenor.com/view/bubble-text-bubble-chat-bubble-text-meme-gif-26361393

ok thanks

[hollow shell]

Try not to send memes and reaction gifs in this chat

[small timber]

I dont understand the suggestion, dont you have to get near the nurse to not only right click her but also to prevent the dialogue interface from closing?

[hollow shell]

This is

a really.. weird proposal

It encourages the player to get just a few blocks closer
You already have to be pretty close to open the dialogue box

[small timber]

yeah I just straight up dont understand what the suggestion is referring to

[hollow shell]

I got a funny idea

If we really do wanna get rid of the disparity between normal gameplay and boss gameplay, which is an admirable goal,
Make it so in Rev and Death, the nurse needs some time to heal you, it's not an instant click thing. A few seconds, could be shorter in Rev and longer in Death. And if you or her take damage during the procedure, or you move out of her range, it gets completely cancelled

[lost valley]

based

[hollow shell]

It'd function the same whether a boss/event is active or not,
but due to its nature it'll have a more detrimental effect during bosses and events, where threats are constantly on your ass

[cobalt pewter]

hmm actually not a bad idea

maybe I'll just keep the point about removing the boss specific thing

[sand ermine]

this is a good idea

[hollow shell]

I can see why it would be annoying to some people if not most people

Hopefully there are ways to execute it where that won't be the case
Like having a satisfying little "fixing you up" animation and sound effects
And drawing a very clear radius around the nurse (with a hitbox dot on you) to show where the healing will get cancelled prematurely if you cross it

Make it as clear and non-finicky as possible

[sand ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-shield-get-this-man-a-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-gif-25958604

i like the sound of that idea

[small timber]

the main thing I dislike about getting rid of the "normal vs boss" mechanics is that more often or not is just become "nerf these mechanics so that they are bad at boss and normal at the same time"

(or the alternative "basically leave these abuse to be available to the player and tell them to 'just dont use it' ")

[swift wharf]

I mean the main argument is for the player to just not use them

[small timber]

if it is something obscure and require extensive setup sure (eg: heart statue + ceaseless hunger), if it is something as simple as pressing recall then it is not

[swift wharf]

vanilla doesn't block it so like

[short walrus]

and then there's having to put the nurse in an area that's easily accessible and safe during the boss

[swift wharf]

that too

I think that nurse should just be harder to use in rev+ overall

not just during bosses

[gilded scroll]

Imagine using the nurse at all
But in all seriousness, having to take the risk of standing by the nurse for a few seconds with a boss after you is gonna be fun to watch

Though, there’s gonna be a lessens effect in multiplayer, someone could just snatch the aggro of the big bad

[swift wharf]

just multiplayer things 💅

[gilded scroll]

then again, telling someone "i need to nurse, someone grab aggro" actually requires some brain cells
which.....some people lack to say the least

[swift wharf]

wrong

that happens even if you don't ask them

because multiplayer

[gilded scroll]

Your always gonna have that one unlucky bastard being chased around, so yeah

[devout shell]

“I need to nurse” lmao

[hollow shell]

🤱

[hollow shell]

Unfortunately yeah Terraria's aggro system is too passive and also unpredictable

[frail mantle]

strange post

[hollow shell]

Only a few pieces of equipment let you change your aggro mid-fight
in the whole game

It would help if bosses had an indicator for who they are currently aggroing, so it's easier for players to discern aggro mechanics

as has been mentioned numerous times before

[hollow shell]

(I completely forgot about Rogue Stealth)

[little stag]

what kind of boss would be able to have a safe zone after like, King Slime or something

[drowsy plank]

i mean most projectiles don't pierce blocks

[little stag]

maybe make it so that the nurse can only heal if all players are inside a certain range around Nurse? and in case that fucks up in Public servers make it so that only players detected to be fighting a same boss have to all be around said range

[drowsy plank]

what was wrong with the original idea

these just seem... worse

[little stag]

but bosses pierce walls, so setting up a safe zone where no bullets reach during the Nurse's healing would be really hard probably

if not, you'd not be able to do one which has 100% guarantee of heal

[drowsy plank]

yes i think that is the point

[little stag]

yeah

[little stag]

do you mean Rover's nurse heal proposal?

[drowsy plank]

yes i think the delay in healing is better than. that weird area thing you suggested

[little stag]

oh that's just something that came into my mind so that this thing would also work in Multiplayer

[drowsy plank]

the original idea would also work in multiplayer still tbh because it forces the other players to play without you for longer

[little stag]

well that'd depend on how long it would take for the nurse to heal you then

if it's like 5 seconds, it wouldn't be too hard for players to cycle in and out of a boss fight for example

[drowsy plank]

as if they couldn't do that already

[little stag]

well yes they can, and isn't preventing that what we're talking about right now?

[hollow shell]

My proposal was focused mainly on singleplayer
It would help to make nurse cheesing in multiplayer more difficult too, but not as much as it does in singleplayer where the boss is constantly targeting you

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[little stag]

yes

well it'd work very well for Singleplayer
though something would probably have to made additionally so it would also work in Multiplayer well enough I believe

[drowsy plank]

eh

multiplayer balancing is in the gutter rn anyway

id want boss HP values pumped back up first before we start addressing cheese

[little stag]

did bosses use to have more health in Multiplayer or something?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[little stag]

how did it use to scale vs now?

[drowsy plank]

i dont feel like explaining, just check the vanilla changes page on wiki.gg

it used to be just like vanilla tho

it was changed back when bosses still had millions of HP

[little stag]

wait so Calamity changes boss HP scaling?

[drowsy plank]

yes

[little stag]

well I'll check it out then

could you just tell me the page where HP scaling of bosses is explained?

[drowsy plank]

...vanilla changes

[little stag]

oh right sorry
I thought that meant like, previous version of a page or something

[little stag]

bruh why is it done like that

[drowsy plank]

.

vanilla

[little stag]

okay thanks

why isn't it just
boss health = base health x amount of players

[hollow shell]

Hm

[frail mantle]

i'm guessing cause even if there are x players it's not guaranteed that the average damage dealt to the boss will be the intended damage per second times x

things like other players drawing aggro and what weapons you're using might make it harder for other players to damage the boss which could theoretically make the fight last longer even if it should last about the same length as in singleplayer

[little stag]

well makes sense

[little stag]

congratulations

[drowsy plank]

i love resubmitting things that already passed bc they haven't been implemented yet :)

at least this would be something that would actually be possible by the dev team unlike the HP bar one lmfao

[small timber]

Oh this actually is a suggestion before

Hmm pretty recently too, I guess i delete it?

Ok it is only 2 months old ya I should delete it

[grim tusk]

@coarse tartan pretty sure smth like that is planned, but leave the sugg to maybe encourage it

[drowsy plank]

i thought we had a pretty extensive discussion on why generating aerilaite in the sky is Bad Idea

mostly because all the bonus structures that generate up there make it cluttered enough already

• post-ML sky ores

[small timber]

And also it is surprisingly unaccessible early game (preHM)

[grim tusk]

By the time you get aerialite you have already visited hell and checked sky islands

[small timber]

Mostly referring to that your first wing is locked behind aerialite (besides fledgling but that one have like no flight time), but ya I guess ropes or grav pot could work

[crude geode]

Grav pots work incredibly well? Lol

It’s how I check sky islands every time

[serene tendon]

Make it replace any remaining pre-boss ores in planetoids and make Aero Slimes generate in the sky. Problem solved, right?

[sand ermine]

what if

someone already mines all the ores

i mean

they can farm slimes but

there should probably be some way to get it efficiently if they did mine all the ore

like. fighting a miniboss or refighting hive mind/perforators

but that goes quite a bit far

[lost valley]

Man if only where was a mob that dropped aero

[sand ermine]

aero slimes

[crude geode]

aero bad more like

[sand ermine]

but ore slimes kinda stink in concept and there's other slimes which are basically the same

[drowsy plank]

the only thing i could think of is maybe you could generate a sky island over the sulph sea opposite the world evil island who's cloud is made of aero ore or something. kinda like luminite planetoids

that way you can't accidentally screw yourself over

[sand ermine]

true

[lost valley]

Sounds like a lotta work for a non issue tbh

[crude geode]

^

It also sounds like making a new biome with extra steps

[drowsy plank]

i dont disagree

we just keep getting these suggestions

the only other thing i could think of is making all sky mobs drop the "ore" (make it not an ore) and making aero slime into something more thematic

you already gotta farm sky mobs to craft most of the gear anyway

[serene tendon]

It could also replace some clouds in sky islands, and/or bars could be retroactively generated in sky chests.

[drowsy plank]

and if you destroy your sky islands/chests? 🤨

[crude geode]

This doesn’t solve the problem that aerialite is such a thematic disconnect from perfs/hive mind

[drowsy plank]

yes, much bigger issue

[lost valley]

Harpie queen boss?

[serene tendon]

Then slimes. But seriously, nobody is gonna destroy all the sky islands and sky chests AND mine all the ore from planetoids

[drowsy plank]

that's why i kinda liked the "new enemy" idea and moving aerialite away from being a bar. like maybe there could be some sky spirit trapped in the hive/perfs that it ate when it got too low, and killing it releases these new enemies that you can get the resource from (along with the old enemies)

[crude geode]

Make it so that the corrupt island in the sky spawns on killing 2nd evil boss

so it’s less of a fucking mess as well

[serene tendon]

Perhaps it could generate at the very start of the world and there could be a deathbringer/nightmare pickaxe upgrade with blood samples/rotten matter that is able to mine it.

[drowsy plank]

how would that help? im prolly just missing something

just a thematic thing?

[lost valley]

Reaver shark momento

[crude geode]

Would show the actual connection between the world evil and the sky islands

[drowsy plank]

true! yeah that makes sense then

[crude geode]

And it could allow some corrupted sky enemies or something

[drowsy plank]

yeah yeah...

[serene tendon]

It could be a property of the pickaxe, and not a result of the pickaxe power

[drowsy plank]

sounds like a lot of work for not a lot of payoff

[lost valley]

Yeah idk how picks work but that sounds like a hassle

[drowsy plank]

you could just add a mining lock until the boss is killed but that's. dumb

[gray nebula]

je me chombge la tronche

lmao

[crude geode]

what

[gray nebula]

we already made miracle fruits generate on the jungle planetoid without caring about if players destroy it early, sooooo

:ombg

(source : wiki

[crude geode]

lmao

I love progression skip

[crude geode]

Wait miracle fruits?

[gray nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989403135686635520/1037455638353150062/IMG_9264.png

cela ne me chombge pas plus que ça

[crude geode]

Do you mean life fruits

[drowsy plank]

am i missing something here
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Miracle_Fruit

[gray nebula]

wrong wiki

[drowsy plank]

...wiki.gg

[gray nebula]

wrong wiki

[lost valley]

💀

[drowsy plank]

i guess this is just a bit or something...?

still aeralite is weird what else is new, im sure there's probably something in the works for it

[crude geode]

Prolly

[gray nebula]

yes

😈

I have supercool ideas about aerialite and all the related things.. it will be so awesome.. it will be so cool

but not here or now

[drowsy plank]

im still really curious to see it, but glad to know the issue has mostly been addressed or at least known, cause i doubt the sugg is gonna get through. who knows tho, suggs been wack these past couple weeks

[gray nebula]

u will be seeing other bangers from me before areereialite

becausee its QUIRKY

[swift wharf]

interesting wulfrum pack suggestion

[lost valley]

just place blocks where the cultists would spawn

[errant cloud]

Found my way in here because airy allite

But tm

I care less for generating it in planetoids and more the fact people keep wanting so much stuff out of planetoids

Should there just be more planetoids genned on world creation,;

[crude geode]

I hate that planetoids are even there in the first place tbh

Space is kinda meant to be. mostly empty yknow?

[errant cloud]

Calamity EXTENDS THE SPACE LAYER!!!!

no

uh

I agree

But idk there's planny toids there now

And they're a part of the mods progression so idunnolol

Gotta find smth to do that doesn't break the current system mebbe

[drowsy plank]

planetoids do a lot already

they do basically everything the underground does AND more considering they have the opposite world ores too. plus the main planetoid and the esword planetoid. and the opposite world evil sky island. and then also the lumi and cluster ones post-ML. plus im pretty sure aerie is gonna be a sky biome so like

there is no lack of content up there

and that isn't even factoring in vanilla sky islands

[errant cloud]

Doesn't calamity add recipes for all the vanilla sky island items anyway

[drowsy plank]

uh

no

dont think u can craft fledglings lol

[errant cloud]

Idk I remember starfury the horseshoe balloons

Uh.;

[drowsy plank]

horseshoe is a gold chest item rn

1.4.3

[crude geode]

The one problem is gems for mhage are inconsistent

[swift wharf]

no im pretty sure there's a recipe for all of them

[drowsy plank]

grav potions and clouds are also still sky exclusive

[errant cloud]

thinking emoji

idk generally I'm asking are we at a point where we can inline edit and remove the genstage for islands or w.e it is

Or do we wanna

Keep them;

[drowsy plank]

there is no recipe for fledgling wings

[swift wharf]

i forget those exist in chests

too much journey

[drowsy plank]

tru

[errant cloud]

I mean I see them and I'm like b-but me no hardmodey

[swift wharf]

just spawn a big void after a certain height during world gen

[errant cloud]

I mean I did say calamity extends the space layer but that was really honestly abbit of a joke

It used to do that

....i think

[crude geode]

I love limiting mod compatibility

[errant cloud]

Way back in like terraria 1.1 something calamity extended space layer or sumshit

But uh

[crude geode]

(Seriously if we’re removing something from the sky it’s gonna be planetoids)

[drowsy plank]

yeah the sky extension was removed because it broke/wasn't supported in 1.4 i believe

[errant cloud]

Idunno now we have subworlds and I doubt the effort is rly worth it but making space extension a subworld in of itself seems like a good idea

You hit +y limit you go to subby

When in subby you hit -y limit and you go to main world

;

[drowsy plank]

doesnt seem like a thing for cal to do tbh

[swift wharf]

that'd be kinda fucky

like during dog

[serene tendon]

One mod had an asteroid field subworld or something that was sick

[drowsy plank]

every world is now dont dig up

[swift wharf]

you fly too high and end up in romania

[serene tendon]

Planetoids could be moved to something like that

[errant cloud]

What if Romanian immigration was paused during boss fights

thinking emoji;

[drowsy plank]

cal already has its subworlds planned

[crude geode]

[weak field]

Wait that's the real eclipse

[drowsy plank]

this seems like way too much extra effort when post ML needs content love much more

[errant cloud]

De weaw ekwipse

[swift wharf]

sky is funny

[errant cloud]

also post ml has way more content than pre ml at a glance but I'm sleepy and not looking into it too much

Or at least they're equal ish

[swift wharf]

it's all boss content

[crude geode]

^

This is the problem with post ml content

[lucid flare]

glorified balls rush

[errant cloud]

Well yea but when u look at it what non boss content is there for pre ml

[swift wharf]

why do we have a boss rush when post ML exists

[errant cloud]

I can't think of much

[weak field]

It's mostly boss and then mine ore make new shit then next boss

You could even skip the ores sometimes

[swift wharf]

define preml

[weak field]

"The Game" as we call it

[errant cloud]

Pre ml meaning really I guess everything modded that is b4 cultist and events

[drowsy plank]

id like to point out post-ML does not have Literally All Of Vanilla alongside it. like maybe original content but like. not what i meant

[swift wharf]

that's barely a stage ngl

it's like saying pre-wof post-sg has no content

[errant cloud]

The problem is that the design now has been limited to kill boss mine ore make new item to smack next boss whriwhdshd because anything that is not that has a much larger scope and you're often exposed 2 scope creep

And tbf I know why people don't wanna do non boss content for that reason but

That's not rly an excuse to some degree

You don't have to become god tier slr RRRRRR level but in mods like calamity making new crap that's interesting things you can explore, fucking about w shimmer, new tiles, new liquids, new mechanics that don't require a donation of your brain power for a whole month of coding

Give me a lot of that in place of bosses and it's just as enjoyable

And yea your mileage may vary

But that's how it's been 4 me

[weak field]

add redstone unlocked by defeating moon lord

[errant cloud]

ANYWAYS PLANETOIDS

uh

spawnwise you can do a few things to avoid clutter, you can increase the spacing on the x axis between each planetoid to be farther, you can group them together in a different spot between a y threshold

So like above the oceans

It's really w.e works

[drowsy plank]

i mean the next... man i dont even know how many major content updates are all biome reworks. and then we have two planned subworlds and another bonus biome we know almost nothing about

where's the update doc thing when you need it

[crude geode]

The inaccurate one

[errant cloud]

It's pinned in uhhhh

Actually fug where is it pinned

spoiler chat?

[drowsy plank]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NpAT_-mky8XjOf6HA5lOw3kNHjwwCSuaLwSlFU1ggB4/edit?usp=drivesdk

[drowsy plank]

i mean i know it has a lot of stuff wrong at this point but how much of it wrong

[errant cloud]

Oh that's the one fryzah and neko wrote I think

Uh a good chunk of it is still correct idk how much

But anyway

All ik is people want more sky and or space and idk how ur gonna fulfill that indirect want that ppl have

But it's there;

[hollow shell]

Damn what a doc

More stuff revealed than I thought
but I am glad to still see intentional gaps in information

[errant cloud]

"intentional"

[short walrus]

Rover are you able to confirm or deny anything in there

[hollow shell]

I could but won't haha

[short walrus]

Fair enough

[errant cloud]

Rover when he's literally Pandora's Box

Insane

Mad lad

[serene tendon]

Rover being a chad dropping them spoilers

[serene tendon]

Ngl it'd be way more badass to face DoG in his own home

[little stag]

what would his own home look like

[glass arch]

subworld

[fossil finch]

I don't think we can make it any more accurate

[crude geode]

I don't expect you to

[fossil finch]

It's all built on public info (and admittedly hasn't been updated in a while)

[gray nebula]

doc makers in shambles

I could do something that would troll them so hard but I wont... yet

[cobalt pewter]

the power of the sun

in the palm of iban's hand

[simple goblet]

i wanna more bosses

[small timber]

eventually they will add more

[blazing kettle]

we're getting more bosses, just keep on waitin

[frosty trellis]

In 3+ years

[small timber]

eventually™

[sand ermine]

soon™️

i was gonna make a comparison to scal and when the exo mechs were released, but i dont feel like that would add any substance considering theyre the same exact tier

[hollow shell]

SCal came out Feb 2017
Exo Mechs came out Nov 2021
so, nearly 5 years

(SCal got her signature box arena in Nov 2017)

[sand ermine]

i guess

the argument can be proved that bosses can take quite a long time, especially if working on other stuff

[small timber]

old duke counts right?

[small timber]

I think partially is because there are already a lot of bosses in the mod, and many of them already stacked on each progression and require balancing (eg: post-Plantera is still a mess, post-Golem still has a lot etc)

imo they definitely can pump out bosses really fast, just I feel eventually it will come to oversaturation/quantity over quality

so it is better to make very existing bosses good, rather than just adding more

[cobalt pewter]

plus there aren't actually that much bosses in planning so far (only 3 so far unless my info is outdated; Yharim, Noxus and Xeroc (the last 2 are BR superbosses))

[hollow shell]

Fuck Old Duke

[sand ermine]

old duke? more like

stinky duke (he cant take a shower due to how old he is)

[hot zephyr]

stop posting about old duke

🔨

[cobalt pewter]

man

[hot zephyr]

sweet dukey goodness..... i love you smelly fishe.....

[cobalt pewter]

old fishe

we have water duke, we have sulphurous duke

other mods should make a lava duke, honey duke and shimmer duke

[hot zephyr]

call up catalyst 📱

pre hm only honey duke

[cobalt pewter]

Shimmer duke would be incredibly funny too, though you can't really fish in Shimmer as you get Shimmering as soon as the bobber touches Shimmer

[small timber]

I think if they just make the tooth ball less obnoxious then the boss is a lot more fine

[distant gyro]

old duke when it has been a calmity to your kingdom

[small timber]

(that and the exploding shark corpses into hundreds of debris raining from the sky)

[hot zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/497604235509235726/1016828596452601866/calamity_to_my_mental_state.gif

[sand ermine]

good gif 👍

[drowsy plank]

i love how shit the new mobile discord is, that gif is chugging my client hard

very cool and normal

[golden tulip]

youre right

my god

help

[tardy smelt]

the gif was a calamity to your phones' framerate

[swift wharf]

I see

[buoyant idol]

@hardy axle You need to format and add reasons, as being cool isn’t a reason.

[devout shell]

I am cool, that is the reason for whatever he said idk

[hardy axle]

It would be good to have calamity Emotes because if the NPCs talk about the next boss the player could get a little teaser for the next opponement

[swift wharf]

Oh you mean those emotes

[neat linden]

The ones barely anyone looks at

[short walrus]

they add character to the world, and the NPCs are lacking a bit of that

besides, that's the direction calamity is going for for now

[hardy axle]

Thx for the info

[short walrus]

so like

so long as you add sufficient reasoning and with proper formatting you should be good

[drowsy plank]

so are you going to add this to the suggestion or...?

[hardy axle]

yes wait

[short walrus]

suggestions have to be formatted correctly to be sent through

in your case it would be like:
Add Calamity emotes

reasoning here

[devout shell]

@hardy axle ur supposed to edit the original sugg

[short walrus]

that too

[small timber]

why do the NPCs need to 'tease' the next boss?

if anything emote like this will just be a spoiler to the boss

[drowsy plank]

format sugg properly impossible challenge

[short walrus]

more atmosphere i guess

[small timber]

they can talk about the boss sure, why do they need an emote that literally shows you how the boss looks like

leave it up to the player to discover after they clicked the summon item

[drowsy plank]

just do it like how vanilla does, which adds them to your table and lets NPCs use them after killing the boss

it is weird how all the vanilla bosses have them but cal doesn't have any (i have no idea if mods have support for this tho)

[small timber]

yeah after the boss sure why not, just the suggestion is specifically "to be used by NPCs when teasing the next boss"

[drowsy plank]

tbf they do have some bosses grouped together, even if they haven't been beaten

its weird

[small timber]

is it a different emote the suggestion is referring? I thought it is this one

[drowsy plank]

if you scroll up to the table that actually details how NPCs use them

[drowsy plank]

this is the player unlock table

[small timber]

strange that vanilla straight up put spoilers like this (though it is not noticeable since how often do you look at NPCs' chat bubble)

[drowsy plank]

true but i dont think it's "spoilers", i think it's supposed to be hinting the player in on these bosses existing

since without a wiki open, it's very hard to figure out a lot of these bosses exist from normal gameplay tbh

like without external interference i could very easily imagine someone never making it to hardmode because they don't want to hurt the guide or something lmao

[chrome wyvern]

it also adds a way for bosses to exist outside boss fights, it does make sense lorewise because they are creatures that exist in the world. Maybe not all bosses though

[hardy axle]

I dont mean that the NPCs talk about poltergesht in pre hartmote just the next boss on the normal playthroug list

but also they could talk about bosses like Crabulon, bosses that are just opptional so the player dont forget about them or something

I just would be intressted in calamity emotes

also if they work like in vanilla

[short walrus]

Add calamity emotes.

The terraria emote system is widely under-utilised, especially in calamity.
Adding calamity's own emotes would serve to hint at upcoming bosses in progression, minorly reducing the need to wiki surf your entire playthrough, as well as integrating the bosses into Terrarias world - of course the NPCs would talk about the enormous sand worm terrorising the desert sometimes.

does this work?

[hardy axle]

@short walrus This is what i meant

[marble moat]

what the hell is an emote

[marble moat]

THERE ARE EMOTES???

[glass arch]

yeah

[short walrus]

eh, fuck it

[drowsy plank]

at least someone got it right

[gray nebula]

bro

😭

ong

[rugged belfry]

The 💭 NPC stuff, except I didn’t know you could send them yourself

[gray nebula]

if people's way to "make bosses exist outside of fights" is just emotes that basically every player will barely notice,

zamn

[short walrus]

did i ever say it was the only way?

the small things count, too.

[drowsy plank]

it's a start

[hollow frost]

I mean it's a goofy but nice touch

what is that 16x16 pixels

[gray nebula]

I mean I prefer,

better, smal thing s

personally

[short walrus]

shrug

[gray nebula]

over having to hack into the code because there's no support for custom textboxes just for smth that's smaller than ur average small touch

😭

[rugged belfry]

I think it’d help add to making Calamity feel more like an actual part of the world. Is there Calamity-related dialogue for Vanilla NPCs?

[drowsy plank]

lmao i was worried that was gonna be the case

[gray nebula]

yea there is cal dialogue on vanilla npcs (no one reads it

[drowsy plank]

frankly cannot believe tmod doesn't have support for emotes this is way more important than the 1.4.4 port

[short walrus]

gonna go hold tmod devs hostage until this is rectified

[rugged belfry]

The fact that I had to ask supports your reasoning 😭

[small timber]

tmod will support emotes once they finished porting vanilla 1.5.0.1 "journeys ending™" update that add kirin boss

[hollow frost]

so like are we discussing adding custom textboxes or being able to /command in silly lil boss emotes which vanilla already does and hopefully has support for additional emotes

[gray nebula]

the thing is with vanilla npc dialogue additions is that vanilla npc dialogue is caca

it's just random

no player's gonna spend a minute just checking every npc quote because most of them are uninteresting and they wouldn't know that there's maybe one extra new cal quote hinting at a new boss

[hollow frost]

maybe every latest npc in progression should have a help quote like sea king 😳

[drowsy plank]

add NPC dialogue to the growing stack of broken mechanics that would need way too much work to fix like farming and fishing

[crude geode]

I love the wizard

[hollow frost]

or the guide should guide you...

[gray nebula]

Well yea but no one uses the help tab from amidias as well

[rugged belfry]

The guide should just link the wiki

[hollow frost]

I just use it for the buff lmao

[small timber]

sea king when the maximum potential of his usage as an npc is to give small sticker spoiler of the next boss in progression

[drowsy plank]

we already have a message to link the wiki on boot lmfao

[gray nebula]

fixing vanilla npc dialogue is just not worth it *

cuz vanilla npcs zzz

it's OK I am always one step ahead..

[crude geode]

I love permafrost

[short walrus]

guess i got ratio'd then

[crude geode]

My favorite cal npc

[drowsy plank]

iban removing vanilla npcs?!1?!?!1?

[rugged belfry]

My favorite is the Earth Elemental

[small timber]

cloud elemental got reworked so soon™️ will earth elemental

[hollow frost]

in acnh there's an option to ask tom nook 'what now'
there's a vanilla npc that's sorta meant to be all knowing that you have from the start of the world so that could work lol

[drowsy plank]

boss checklist but not

[hollow frost]

in-world boss checklist

[crude geode]

I somehow misread that as alchnpc

instead of animal crossing new horizon

[hollow frost]

the guide already talks about funky creatures showing up in the hallow after ML right?

[hollow frost]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

tbh turning the guide into a "where did i leave off" instead of the equivalent of a pamphlet worth of loading screen tips would be interesting

[crude geode]

terraria devs where is my suggestion posting for your discord smh my head

[drowsy plank]

true!!!

[small timber]

in world boss checklist like a stone that had all the boss names carved on it and slowly cancel each one out as you beat them will be cool
give you doubts on why are we killing the bosses (for seemingly no reason for many of them) in the first place

[drowsy plank]

xeroc thought it would be funny

[crude geode]

we*

[hollow frost]

it's either the guide or yharim who is all knowing enough to write the lore items but then he'd need to be an npc at the start of progression not the end oops 😳

"or was that all your intention"
yharim literally teaching new players how to progress lmaooo imagine

[swift wharf]

that one joost npc that asked you to hunt bosses

literally better boss checklist

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[hollow frost]

players wanting to not rely on qol mods
players relying on wikis for years

[drowsy plank]

tbh being able to hop to the guide whenever a progress message pops up to actually get an explination behind whatever the fuck "The ground is glittering with cyan light." means or something would help the new player experience a lot i think

[hollow frost]

"{Demolitionist's name} tells me there's a new cyan ore down in the caverns."

[crude geode]

.

Byeah rework npc dialogue completely :)

[hollow frost]

sounds super ez yknow :)

[chrome wyvern]

I was mostly just talking about the idea behind the suggestion, adding more interactions that hints the existence of the bosses

[small timber]

what if Terminus have a boss checklist style kind of dynamic tooltip that marks every single boss in progression and cross them out as you defeat them

not immediately accessible, but they can just make the Terminus chest unlocked so it is "technically accessible"

[chrome wyvern]

and lock boss rush behind defeating all bosses perhaps?

[small timber]

maybe

[chrome wyvern]

like the pantheons from hollow knight

[small timber]

(it will make the most sense, since otherwise activating boss rush will basically be a spoiler, although you have to get to there first in boss rush)

[tardy smelt]

Patrolling sentinels

[cobalt pewter]

I mean the only way who would've realistically patrol around is SW

[swift wharf]

add those as background elements

[cobalt pewter]

CV just does whatever and you'll never spot Signus until it's too late

[swift wharf]

like when you see eoc in the distance

[cobalt pewter]

GBoard update sucks ass

[swift wharf]

imagine signus is just 👁️👁️ in the hell bg

[tardy smelt]

It'd still be cool

Besides, honestly

None of the sentinels would care about you without the Rune of Kos

Logically speaking

[cobalt pewter]

SW would be the only one remotely patroling its region since it seems to control rain and shit

byeah no one will really care until you pull up with the rune

[drowsy plank]

@frail shell you're lacking formatting and reasoning with this

also this doesn't seem like something worth addressing by calamity lmfao

[frosty trellis]

Also endgame is reserved for dev weapons

[drowsy plank]

true

[frosty trellis]

So only devs can request that

[drowsy plank]

oh wait that's a don't isn't it? i forgot about that lmao

[frosty trellis]

Yep

No suggestions relating to dev tier

And we have Face Melter for post DoG so an Auric instrument wouldn't make much sense

Even though another Auric mage weapon would be nice

[drowsy plank]

they aren't even asking for a weapon, they want music implemented like in starbound

things like rain song, drumkit, and ivy

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Then absolutely not what

We have music boxes

[golden tulip]

i mean endgame isnt necessarily shadowspec

post dog is like endgame to me

[serene tendon]

Yeah, different people define endgame differently, but I think on the official wiki Shadowspec-Tier is listed as endgame.

[drowsy plank]

the tier listed as "endgame" is shadowspec

yeah

so

regardless there are so many other issues with this suggestion anyway so

nbd considering its malformated anyway

[frosty trellis]

Building Reaver set buff based

Yeah that makes no sense on why that isn't already a thing

[lucid flare]

ligma grindset

(making good suggestions)

i just saw it and then i remembered that marnite armor gave range

& then i was like "why doesn't this give range too wtf lol"

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that strikes me as weird

[lucid flare]

especially since both reaver & mining armor got buffed in the same update

[frosty trellis]

I never noticed it bc I forget reaver armor exists but yeah

[lucid flare]

reaver armor kinda lost its fame when it stopped being a class armor

now it just has funny set bonuses

[frosty trellis]

Not rly

[lucid flare]

like the tank armor set that nukes your damage for some reason

[frosty trellis]

The tank set is a must for true melee

The mobility set is broken as shit for noshitters

[lucid flare]

yeah but that's true melee

it lost some of its fame, is what i meant

[swift wharf]

Wanna know what's funnier

[lucid flare]

not everyone uses it anymore

[frosty trellis]

Oh?

[frosty trellis]

I mean there is also just the class armors that exist

[swift wharf]

guh

[lucid flare]

huh

[swift wharf]

[lucid flare]

oh i'm stupid

[frosty trellis]

Oh

[lucid flare]

good job lvii

[frosty trellis]

Huh

Lmao

[lucid flare]

deleted suggestion

[frosty trellis]

@serene tendon I would add the fact that because some people build sky bridges that the infection sometimes doesn't generate properly and that would in turn allow people to get the ore that way should that occur

Can change the wording but yeah

[serene tendon]

Technically you can make an astral biome with the solution and farm slimes after Deus is defeated

[frosty trellis]

You can

But it adds to your argument of slime method being overused

[serene tendon]

True

edited it

[swift wharf]

death of astral slimes

[errant cloud]

1. can we delete janox's suggestions and keep scorns' plez
2. astral ore thingamajig is a good suggestion but doesn't the meteor already give enough of it

I don't remember using very much of it;

[glass arch]

yeah astral ore isnt used for a whole lot

the set is (imo) mediocre and then theres pretty much just deific amulet

[frosty trellis]

If you have a skybridge it doesn't generate

[errant cloud]

Oh you can just set it to ignore tiles for a range in between y(a) and y(b), right

Or am I stoopid

[glass arch]

yeah the astral ore one would be nice in case you mess up the spawning

and im pretty sure the astral meteor follows the same code stuff as a regular meteor so it follows the same rules for spawning

[frosty trellis]

Astral Blade, the best true melee weapon for ML
The armor and Etherial core are very useful for mages against ML
Devistation which is used for the amazing Devils Devastation (one of the best melee weapons for Yharon )
Deific Amulet
True Biome Blade for the eventual Ark of the Cosmos

[glass arch]

oh yeah i forget about a lot of those things

[frosty trellis]

It definitely has its uses

[swift wharf]

devastation is not one of them

goofy ahh sword

[frosty trellis]

Devastation isn't good yeah, but it's upgrade is amazing

[drowsy plank]

bad reasoning against the sugg; we still have astral slimes which are directly mentioned in the sugg, so there's going to be a method of renewability no matter what, it's just that using the clem on ores instead of killing some fodders enemies is a much more interesting way of going about it. it's also used for a dye and bricks, so if you wanted to use it for building AND get the gear, you could very easily run out.

[errant cloud]

I implied I liked the suggestion anyway what

Thanks for giving me a reason to want more astral ore however

[drowsy plank]

lol

[frosty trellis]

@eternal escarp
Ayo prideful hunters plannar ripper is ass (Using the convert)
(Two guardians are dead, one of them was close to dead when I died her, averaging about 9-10% between cocoon phases)

[small timber]

If I remember correctly isnt it straight up impossible (technical wise) to implement the astral ore suggestion?

Converting ore with the astral spawn at a fixed area is significantly different code wise than using a clentaminator

[hollow shell]

Why would it be impossible? Astral Solution already converts a ton of stuff

[distant gyro]

it's possible

in fact, it's intentionally turned off

[frosty trellis]

May I ask why?

[distant gyro]

gotta ask @radiant meadow for that

[hollow shell]

Performance?

[split grove]

It might be because if you try to convert it back, which ore would it make?

[swift wharf]

meteorite

[split grove]

Fair

[swift wharf]

luiafk had a solution that converted anything into jungle mud so I don't see why it wouldn't be possible

[hollow shell]

@weary token You need to add a reason to your suggestion

(separated from your main idea using a line break (Shift+Enter))

[weary token]

Ok

[hollow shell]

@silver pike Way too big a scope for a community suggestion
We are planning on greatly expanding the Brimstone Crag in the future, so maybe that'll fill that same kinda desire

[silver pike]

mabey

one day i hope i could make a mod

[silver pike]

wait is there a place where we could make art of the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Uhh, you could go to the Art Server and post whatever you want there
(Adding art to your suggestion here won't make it any less invalid fyi)

Art server invite in #info

[sand ermine]

ah yes

#suggestions-posting

❗ and 🗜️ hell

[glass arch]

what does the 🗜️ even mean

[small timber]

the suggestion is not formatted properly, can check pinned message

have explanation for all the emotes

[glass arch]

i only found an explanation for the ❗

@silver pike just edit the message, and that suggestion won't be added because of the "Don't suggest new biomes" thing

[small timber]

@silver pike too specific, and as the Moderator told you, too big scope for suggestion

[silver pike]

oh srry

[small timber]

brimstone crag will basically be reworked into a real biome (instead of just an underworld biome with different background) so there is still that

[silver pike]

ok

[glass arch]

oh i was looking at the wrong pins lmao

[silver pike]

where could i find the rule on what we could suggest

[glass arch]

pins in #suggestions-posting

[small timber]

pinned have a link to the document, but I will just send the link here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit

[silver pike]

thx

well snap i cant post a suggestion

One day I'll make a cool mod

Wait are like normal enemy allowed

[novel belfry]

Suggestion rough draft

Rename the Bloody Edge.
This weapon is intended to be the crimson counterpart to the Night's Edge itself. Yes, Vanilla Terraria's very first legendary sword, and the first "very big recipe for very big damage" item. So surely, this crimson weapon should get a really cool name to back itself up?
Nope, you get the Bloody Edge. That name is just too basic, and the weapon deserves a much better title. And I know 1.4.4 for Calamity is a long way off, but it's almost certain the Bloody Edge is going to get reworked to be similar to the Night's Edge. So let's give it a really cool name, something like Scarlet Feast (totally not a monster hunter ref)

[drowsy plank]

what's wrong with Bloody Edge

i mean you call it basic but

idk it aint that different

[novel belfry]

it's also really similar to the "Blood Butcherer", the crimson equivalent of the Light's Bane

also this is totally not related to my redesign of the bloody edge

[cobalt pewter]

....

is that needed really

sure the first word is the same

but then the second word is entirely different

[novel belfry]

it still feels really basic

[small timber]

with the entire 1.4.4 terrablade line rework I think they should just straight up delete the entire "crimson's nightedge to terratomere" line

it had been said many times already (by vanilla devs) that the reason there is no "crimson variant" of night's edge is because night's edge is referring to souls of night, aka both evil biome; otherwise it would had just been "corrupted edge" or something

the entire reason teratomere existing now is just because terrablade upgrades = zenith and teratomere upgrades = exoblade, and thats it; the weapon itself is as ununique as it gets

[hot zephyr]

BETTER SOLUTION

Remove Bloody Edge

[cobalt pewter]

true

Night's Edge should be the only one as it's not a direct corruption inspiration

this should probably also go for the NE variants Cal adds to other classes

like Night's Ray and Carnage Ray

[small timber]

night's ray etc is a bit weird in that both are added by calamity, but ya basically same case

no need to maintenance 2 variant of basically similar weapon anyway so 1 less weapon to worry about in balancing

[distant gyro]

one day

bloody edge line disappear, "corruption weapons" become properly themed, "crimson weapons" probably end up in blood moons or something

[crude geode]

doesn't making the "corruption" weapons actually corruption themed just justify bloody edge line.

[distant gyro]

and lunarian bow stops being weird

properly themed means shadow themed

night's edge is a shadow-themed weapon

[crude geode]

there's a difference between the shadow theme and corruption? it feels only kinda vaguely different