suggestions-discussion

[tropic sleet]

Ethereal extorter

[inner anvil]

Many tanking accesories in Post-ML.

[lilac ingot]

i havent touched rogue. i know its a very hot topic here so im doing a little dance around it lol

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

yeah rogue accessories are

momentum

[inner anvil]

Picking Rogue accesories is like playing a Roguelike, as ironic as it sounds.

[tropic sleet]

True

Stealth strike gang where u at

[inner anvil]

Like, the good question is not "What accesories need to be looked at?", it's "What accesories don't need to be looked at?".

[tropic sleet]

That's a hard one

[inner anvil]

It's simpler than you think.

[tropic sleet]

Maybe Rtn? Actually scrap that

[inner anvil]

It's like 2.

[lilac ingot]

thats a tall order

[inner anvil]

It's really not.

[cobalt pewter]

what are those

[inner anvil]

The answer is much simpler.

[lilac ingot]

adjusting every single accessory but 2? you think thats reasonable?

[inner anvil]

Probably DSO and another random accesory.

[cobalt pewter]

okay DSO is fair yes

[unreal viper]

DSO?

[cobalt pewter]

fun y dono

[inner anvil]

Daawnlight Spirit Origin.

Actual unique damage accesory.

[tropic sleet]

Maybe also quiver of nihilism or whatever it's called

[inner anvil]

Yes.

Quiver of Nihility is so bad I needed it to buff it so many times during testing and I probably still need to buff it.

[cobalt pewter]

I think while it's quirky and all there's really no reason to use most rogue accs that consume stealth

[tropic sleet]

It's pretty bad yes

[tropic sleet]

Disagree

[inner anvil]

I said this because those are basically the plans for the mod.

Many accesories need to be looked at.

Many.

[unreal viper]

In terms of balance of effects?

[tropic sleet]

Honestly the best designed accesories are all more recent ones

[inner anvil]

Both.

[tropic sleet]

So good job team 👍

[inner anvil]

Oh yeah, Draedon's Heart's awesome.

Very good accesory.

[tropic sleet]

Don't get me started

I love draedon's heart

[inner anvil]

I also do.

[tropic sleet]

You know what i don't love? All the individual elemental accesories

[inner anvil]

We'll look over them at some point.

[tropic sleet]

Good 👍

Btw @lilac ingot i would remove the part about the multiplayer bug in your suggestion. Not only is it 2 suggestions in a single post, but multiplayer is really not a priority, to say the least

[lilac ingot]

thank you for advice, i think it is significant though. because without that kind of context it can just be put off as "oh well you're just gonna die then without your survivability accessories"

but like i shouldnt need them to survive if i got buddies

[tropic sleet]

True, but again, devs don't really care about multiplayer atm, so there's a higher chance your suggestion will be accepted if you remove that part

[lilac ingot]

im thinking about rewording it to be more focused on generalized accessory variety instead of per class, and remove the multiplayer part, good idea or not bother?

[tropic sleet]

Good idea

[lilac ingot]

ok there its brief, to the point, no multiplayer

[tropic sleet]

It's much better now 👍

[lilac ingot]

i imagine most of these suggestions get ignored cause players barely even know what they want, but out of curiosity what has been put in from player feedback?

[inner anvil]

What suggestions got in?

[lilac ingot]

exactly

[inner anvil]

Well, first the public votes on it, that's the first step.

Then, if it's one of the highest rated ones of the week, it gets send to the Dev Server, where we vote in, if it's a good suggestion, we add it, if it's not, we deny it.

It depends on how good the suggestions are.

There's not like, exact number that says that, "How many do get in".

[lilac ingot]

makes sense

[inner anvil]

If your concern is that if these suggestions are even seen by the devs, yes, we see them.

[blazing kettle]

i've seen this suggestion before

[cobalt pewter]

@torpid rivet no I think
#suggestions-posting message

[blazing kettle]

except way more in depth

[sand ermine]

seen it before

[cobalt pewter]

it'd be a rabbit hole if this starts getting implemented

[sand ermine]

i feel like it should and shouldnt be implemented

adrenaline is a reward for not taking a hit, adrenaline already makes you take less damage if hit with adrenaline

also the fact that it could be abused a bit in that one second to take a hit and get really close, then pop it, but you should already be trying to stay close to bosses, i can see that only helping for melee and ranger :P

[cobalt pewter]

and yes, I suggested something similar, this should be the whole convo about it

(the sugg was deleted quickly due to my dissatisfaction)

[crude geode]

Adrenaline do be a win more card already

[blazing kettle]

adrenaline is supposed to be a reward for not getting hit, havign a grace period for full charge kinda ruins the point

[sand ermine]

true

[grim tusk]

Tru

[torpid rivet]

I'm not talking a long grace period, I'm sayin like 0.5 or 1 seconds

Maybe such an idea as a grace period could be like, an accessory that comes with a downside

[tropic sleet]

But at that point why wouldn't you just use stress pills

Get adrenaline before you ever get hit for the theoretical grace period to trigger

[frosty trellis]

Considering I play DoG and Yharon up close regardless of class That's not true at all

[tropic sleet]

And get a speed boost

[frosty trellis]

Broke Event horizon earlier because I play yharon up in his face

[tropic sleet]

And het adrenaline more often over the course of a battle

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Stress Pills are unironically kinda fucking busted

[tropic sleet]

True

[frosty trellis]

MS AND Adren recharges faster

Which is super useful when some bosses like SCal reduce your adren regen

[tropic sleet]

I used stress pill in my rev playthrough even on astrum deus lmao

Despite it being a post any boss accesory

[frosty trellis]

It's useful for the entire game

Unironically

MS and Adren recharge is fucking insane

It's no Rampart of the Deities broken as shit, but it's insane

[tropic sleet]

Yes, but it gets massacred in post-ml

[crude geode]

Movement speed accessories try not to be the most busted shit challenge

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Nah, you want the most busted shit look at rampart

[tropic sleet]

There are too many good accesories post-ml for stress pills to be good imo

[frosty trellis]

The thing is as well is that stress pills pairs super well with stuff like The Amalgam or any other dodge

[tropic sleet]

Ever occult crown can't save it post-ml

[frosty trellis]

And there are so many good accessories post ml that I don't find soaring insignia useful and yet a bunch of poeple do

It's subjectieve

[crude geode]

Why make acc when free one good

[tropic sleet]

That's true

[frosty trellis]

But I fail to see it being a bad thing on any build

[tropic sleet]

Yes

[frosty trellis]

More ms and adren recharge is busted against oh idk Exo Mechs

[tropic sleet]

But soaring insignia IS rampart levels of broken

Imo

[frosty trellis]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No

Rampart is literally enough for all your defensive needs

And then some

It's stupidly broken

[crude geode]

What’s the conversion of frames to seconds

[tropic sleet]

Insignia is enough for all your movement needs with some wings

[frosty trellis]

50 extra iframes (or 5/6ths of a second) by itself is broken as shit, and that's before you take into account everything else

[tropic sleet]

But insignia is post empress

[frosty trellis]

Base frames + Rampart + Celestial Tracers caps iframes at 2 seconds

[crude geode]

Funny

[frosty trellis]

Insignia I couldn't ever see myself using

Just because I never really need the extra flight time

Or really wanting it

[tropic sleet]

I highly disagree

[frosty trellis]

Soaring pots are fine enough

For me

[tropic sleet]

But i respect your oppinion

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Just not my thing

[crude geode]

Anyways hote accessories bad

[tropic sleet]

Correct

[frosty trellis]

I am one of the few people who actively uses Statis's Void Sash post Yharon

Over aegis

And yeah HotE needs a rework

[tropic sleet]

Alright thats whack

[crude geode]

someone get the kill time on bosses with just hote elementals

[frosty trellis]

I have my reasons for why I don't use Aegis post Yharon

Still use it for Yharon bc I need the ram

[tropic sleet]

Lol

[frosty trellis]

That ram can make some weapons kinda obscene Looking at you Event horizon, 2:24 Yharon mfing looking thing

[tropic sleet]

Wow it's been like 15 minutes and my suggestion has not gotten any criticism. New pb lol

[frosty trellis]

Because it's a good freakin' suggestion

And has needed to happen for awhile

[tropic sleet]

True

[frosty trellis]

People use it and then I tell them not to use it because it's bad

Just use papyrus scarab ffs

[tropic sleet]

Wait what

I'm confused

[frosty trellis]

People who use HotE are summoners

[tropic sleet]

My suggestion isn't about hotE itself

[frosty trellis]

I mean the elementals themselves would affect HotE, no?

[tropic sleet]

I mean

[frosty trellis]

If one would rework them

[tropic sleet]

Depends if they want to or not

[crude geode]

Most likely it would considering the whole point of HotE is to combine all the elementals

[tropic sleet]

I suppose

[drowsy plank]

didnt something like this just pass or did it die in voting

[tropic sleet]

Not that i know of

If so, sorry

[lilac ingot]

at what stage of the game is HotE even viable, i make it for the lolz but is it good at some point?

[tropic sleet]

It's decent pre-ml

[cobalt pewter]

I always have a bone to pick when it comes to cal's combination items

[tropic sleet]

And it's alright pre-prov

[lilac ingot]

in what way?

[tropic sleet]

I also do, but only because of the blanket 10% damage buff or whatever that's required to make the accesory good

[cobalt pewter]

most of them are just stacks of existing effects instead of a wholly new design to account for the materials while still being interesting

[lilac ingot]

yess this is just what im talking abt with my post. especially just ctrl c + ctrl v for base stat buffs just cuz. spice it up a little

like the prismatic armor that reduces non magic damage? thats sick, show me more

[tropic sleet]

There's a place for just combining accesories in the most literal sense, but not every accesory should be like that

Like i thing the sponge would be fine if they removed the damage reduction and buffed the other effect that are never used

But the other accesories that are like that should have new effect's instead of those damn blanket stat buffs

[small timber]

The tldr of the 'adrenaline safe period' is basically equivalent to "adrenaline charges at 29.5 seconds instead of 30 seconds" ya

Which at that point you my as well just ask for that, the only difference is how you feel when losing adrenaline, functionally they are identical

(And yes if you are consistently nohitting stress pill is one of the best damage accessory for the entire game, and occult skull crown existing only make it even more busted)

Also I dont want to be that guy but isnt Gameeon is just a "unique boss summon" suggestion which is a frequently suggested but worded very fancily?

(Oh there is actually no frequently suggested for boss summons, only summon animation, huh)

[hot zephyr]

the grace period would be horrible

instead of getting mad because you lost adrenaline at 0.1 seconds you get mad that you lost it at 1.1

even with sound cues, times, etc it'd still feel inconsistent

solution: use it or lose it. it's that simple

[swift wharf]

spam adrenaline

[small timber]

Bind adrenaline to left click or just have autoclicker

Or just dont get hit for 1 second longer :clueless:

The adrenaline dr you get for losing adrenaline is actually really powerful, it is almost equivalent to a dodge

[swift wharf]

or just use stress pills

[lucid flare]

what if i don't want to use adrenaline immediately tho

[hollow frost]

is this a calamity adjustment or am I being trolled by vanilla wording? -- using invisibility potions makes the player disappear on the minimap (screenshot from singleplayer but still the same in multiplayer). it became a big issue for me in multiplayer when my teammate was a rogue using invis during bossfights and I had no head to wormhole to on the map

[grim tusk]

1- this is #suggestions-discussion and not #bugs-read-pins
2- probably, go check in vanilla and then on Tml with no mods

[hollow frost]

I know it's #suggestions-discussion, sorry I didn't make it clear but I was thinking of making a post for looking into it if it's a feature

but I can check if it's a bug beforehand

[small timber]

then you cant complain about losing adrenaline when you get hit

[hollow frost]

okay singleplayer map invisibility still exists in current vanilla (1.4.4.7), so I'm going to consider that a feature? (I can't test multiplayer atm I don't really have friends to test with) would you advise me writing a suggestion to change that as a QoL solution for rogues in multiplayer?

[grim tusk]

Rogue no longer uses invisibility potion

You go directly into shadow, and pre-boss

So it would be pointless to suggest what you were going to suggest

[hollow frost]

how does shadow affect visibility

if it does at all

[grim tusk]

You become a shadow

[hollow frost]

just double checked and it doesn't effect the minimap or map, so I guess this works out

cool cool 👍

[safe oasis]

what's with all the wall of text suggestions recently, it feels like they're filling a word quota on an essay instead of just making suggestions

shorter ones tend to go through more often than longer ones anyway

[small timber]

the wording quota is there, 2000 words

if people dont like wall of text they will just not vote on it anyway so it dont really matter

[safe oasis]

isn't it 2000 characters not words

trolling emoji

[cobalt pewter]

yeah chars

including spaces and other characters

[hot zephyr]

hote rework one day mashaallah

no beveleopment right now tho everyone on break
calm before da storm that will be 1.4.4 portin

[small timber]

heart of the elements reworked into an all class accessory about amplifying different type of debuff damage

[hot zephyr]

no

[crude geode]

Do we not have enough underused all class accessories as is

[hot zephyr]

hote should be like uhhhh warlock patron for summners

you can equip only one (no stacky)

give wacky cool bonuses

hote swap mode...

[cobalt pewter]

what

[hot zephyr]

mashaallah

[crude geode]

so like Ares’ exoskeleton but only one choice

[cobalt pewter]

@minor shell Draedon's Heart reduces defense damage no?

[minor shell]

it does

by 50%

i wasnt saying nothing reduces defense damage, just that the absorber and the sponge need a buff and a defense damage resistance may be a good path

[hollow shell]

It is dangerous to put def damage resistance/immunity on huge tank accessories like those

[hot zephyr]

the health back on hit is actually pretty significant, it is effectively damage reduction that completely avoids DR's scaling

(also, does Absorber/Sponge, an accessory with pretty massive benefits need an additional boost? Has something changed recently?)

[hollow shell]

The whole point of defense damage is to prevent facetanking, and anybody who is in the business of trying to facetank will be equipping those big tank accessories anyway

If defense damage reduction is gonna be given to the player in any way, it should be on a more solo accessory with not a lot of other effects, so that players have to sacrifice a slot for it

Draedon's Heart is indeed a solo accessory
Def damage reduction isn't its main forte but it has a mechanic that encourages not taking hits anyhow, so it balances out

[small timber]

since when does absorber/sponge need a buff

it is a 22.5% damage reduction accessory

[lost valley]

it's a fine acc it's just rather lackluster comp to the other defensive accs you get at the time

also 22.5?

[minor shell]

22.5%?

[small timber]

ok probably more like, 20%?

[lost valley]

16.25

[small timber]

I used the wrong formula for it

[frosty trellis]

The problem with The Absorber and The Sponge is there are just better defensive accessories
You have stuff like Asgard's Valor/Elysian Aegis and Deific Amulet to replace the sponge with, one gives a ram, the other boosts life regen, gives shorter potion sickness and gives over double your iframes. Not to mention you can still use The Community which has all around defensive, offensive and mobility boosts While also reducing the effect of DoT's (Not to mention later on when you get Bloodflare core and Affliction later on)

For sponge, where do I even begin
Asgardian Aegis and Void Sash for dashes with different defensive traits
Core of the blood god for health, defense, dr and potions are stronger
Bloodflare core, which as long as you don't get chain hit is half your defense back as health each time you heal
Fucking Rampart
Community still

It's less that Absorber and Sponge needs buffs, and more just there are other defensive accessories that are just far more valuable due to having other traits that give them extra effects that make them fit more than just a tanky playstyle

[lost valley]

10% dr 6.25% the healing which is basically DR

[frosty trellis]

DR scaling though

So that 10% is effectively less than 10%

[lost valley]

yeah the healing avoids the scaling but it's still a pitiful amount

[small timber]

I misadded the 6.25% as damage you do not take, and even then it is still massively better than almost all defense option

the only one that I think can be better is rampart

[lost valley]

core of the blood god, BFC, affliction

[frosty trellis]

Yeah core

[small timber]

core of the blood god is kinda situational I feel, if you do not use the contact damage part it is not that good

mainly scal and exo you dont really take contact

[lost valley]

15% hp and healing boosts are worth it

[frosty trellis]

How is 15% extra hp and 25% extra healing from potions not that good?

[lost valley]

paired with rampart is really good

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Core + Rampart is kinda fucking stupid

[minor shell]

hmmm perhaps i misinterpretted how the health regain mechanic works. i figured you regained health based on damage taken after dr formula was calculated. is that not the case?

[lost valley]

i think thats how it works

[frosty trellis]

SCal you don't take contact that much, but Exos it's useful if you want to get in the face of Thanatos and misstime your movements or get hit by Artemis dash (which has become increasingly annoying as of a recent patch)

[small timber]

previously having high max hp mattered more since you get basically more regen from it, but now that they basically doubled regen soft cap I dont think it is that necessary anymore

[lost valley]

best to think of the "healing" as just flat DR

[minor shell]

oh but yeah it does ignore the scaling of dr.

i didnt consider that....

[frosty trellis]

I'm not saying necessary? I just fail to see how <10% Dr and a slight bit of healing on hit is better than reducing contact damage every 20 seconds, 15% max hp and 25% healing from potions which synergies extremely well with rampart

[lost valley]

dont even consider it healing

[frosty trellis]

Also if the healing on hit was that important to you bloodflare core is right there

[lost valley]

just view it as DR

[small timber]

this is my take on defense/regen:

• I dont really find myself needing more regen than just vigorous candle + healing potion (and of course cadance), unless I am taking a lot of chain hits in a row
• sponge is better at preventing you from dying to chain hits, which is the main thing that kills me

[crude geode]

If defense damage reduction is gonna be given to the player in any way, it should be on a more solo accessory with not a lot of other effects, so that players have to sacrifice a slot for it
rover's comment, something I can relate to

[frosty trellis]

Chain hits is why I don't use BFC

And why I love rampart + void sash

[small timber]

which is why I dont think sponge should be buffed in defense damage reduction specifically, because it will be even better at preventing dying from chain hits

[crude geode]

it feels silly to give such a stupid effect like defense damage reduction to sponge

[small timber]

anything else, maybe? not defense damage reduction

[lost valley]

it should probably do one of it's other things better

maybe the speed buff?

[frosty trellis]

Yeah defense damage reduction is a bit much

[minor shell]

i can see defense damage being too much

but perhaps a removal or armor crunch and and buff to speed maybe would be warranted. no denying that armor crunch immunity is useless atp.

[frosty trellis]

But it does need something to distinguish itself so it's not just a tank accessory and more something people can easily fit into non-tank builds and have some interesting effect to it or just make it more desirable

[safe oasis]

how about just an immunity to a more relevant debuff instead of trying to balance defense damage again

[lost valley]

i mean i could maybe understand a small resistance to def damage

[small timber]

because to certain degree the purpose of defense damage is to prevent face tanking, so defense damage reduction tend to lead to just allow for more face tanking

[lost valley]

like 20% less buildup or smthn

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[minor shell]

i should change the title. its overshadowing the last paragraph

[crude geode]

the concept of defense damage immunity is stupid

[frosty trellis]

I do think Sponge needs something, just not in relation to defense damage

[small timber]

that is exactly the reason why rampart/iframe is so good, because it is basically face tanking (to certain degree it work like defense damage reduction), it prevent you from further health loss from 'taking 2 or more hits in a row'

[frosty trellis]

Combine that with something like Statis's Void Sash for a dodge

[small timber]

(in theory of course, in function they are the polar opposite)

[lost valley]

ofc immunity is insane

[frosty trellis]

And Celestial Tracers for more iframes

It's just dumb

[minor shell]

so uhh if we could move on from defense damage

how does a buff to the spped sound? or maybe something like shifting the health boost from a flat rate to a percent (like affliction)?

[frosty trellis]

I think ms would be better

Health boost is already on Affliction and Core

Don't need more health boosting shit

Can already get a lot of hp as is

[small timber]

or just move rover drive from absorber to sponge and give it that

it is already in the recipe anyway why not

[frosty trellis]

GOD PLEASE NO

[small timber]

I dont feel buffing MS do fit sponge

[frosty trellis]

ROVER DRIVE IS ACTUALLY CRACKED

[small timber]

(they have to nerf rover drive itself, but ya)

[frosty trellis]

That's literally 50 free hp if you don't get hit for 10 seconds

And with rampart iframes and a dodge that's not as hard as it can sound

[crude geode]

it's effects aren't on either wdym

[small timber]

I still dont understand why it is 10s downtime when dodges have like, 90

[frosty trellis]

YEAH

Rover drive is like, actually fucking cracked too

[small timber]

tldr remove rover drive from absorber recipe, then give it to sponge, and make it (sponge) actually have rover drive effect

[frosty trellis]

Like i've seen people use it up until like fucking DoG and it works

Too well

[frosty trellis]

Please no

That kinda just goes off of the give it max hp thing which we have enough max hp + shit

[small timber]

like I said the first step is to make rover drive not super cracked for no reason first

[frosty trellis]

Core, Affliction, Cadance, Community

[frosty trellis]

It's already super cracked wdym

[small timber]

I kept missing words

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Yeah

Rover drive needs a serious nerf

Like, I've been even just using it in infernum and god has it saved my fucking ass

And it also gives you 10 extra defense while the shield is up might I add

[cobalt pewter]

having defense damage play more into equipment that isn't just reduction would be nice

[frosty trellis]

So maybe give absorber/sponge some interaction with defense damage that's literally anything but reducing the effect of defense damage?

[cobalt pewter]

sure, depends on the effect

[inner anvil]

We have other plans for The Sponge/The Absorber.

[cobalt pewter]

the accs are pretty messy to me so I'd rather see them be not a compiled stat stick first

[frosty trellis]

Oh devplans.png

shit

[cobalt pewter]

mom

ent

[frosty trellis]

Welp

This discussion just got sad rq

[crude geode]

lol

[inner anvil]

Maybe it could do something with Defense Damage, but I don't know how it would fit to the current planned idea.

[minor shell]

oh LOL

[small timber]

I just feel like with how the main purpose of defense damage is to prevent face tanking, just reserve it for draedon heart the certified face tank accessory

because defense damage really is not a big deal if you are dodging somewhat efficiently

[inner anvil]

Not correct.

[minor shell]

wasted my time with that suggestion then lmfao

oh well

[inner anvil]

Facetanking prevention was an additional upside, but not the main thing it was made for.

[small timber]

I assume it was to make defense be able to be buffed without just straight up invalidating bosses?

[lost valley]

tf is it's main thing then?

[inner anvil]

So we could make tanking accesories good.

[lost valley]

ah fair

[small timber]

then defense damage reduction should be avoided even more then

[inner anvil]

Let me get a screenshot.

[minor shell]

oops

[inner anvil]

Here's full explanation why Defense Damage exists.

[lost valley]

makes sense

[inner anvil]

Well, Facetanking prevention was one of the main reasons, should've specified better, but I wanted to exaggerate so people didn't see it as only that.

[crude geode]

psychology

[lost valley]

yeah was gunna say that its seems to be more than a side effect

[inner anvil]

The reason why Draedon's Heart (And future cooler tanking accesories) exist now is because of Defense Damage.

Because we can actually be creative.

[crude geode]

also god even in dev thoughts you can't escape ultrakill

[inner anvil]

Fab likes Ultrakill, what can we do?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crude geode]

I jest because a lot of good mechanics can come from other games in general

[inner anvil]

Well, yes.

[lost valley]

based, pull good mechanics from other games

[inner anvil]

Uh huh.

Although Ultrakill was mentioned there, their version of Defense Damage is much worse than Calamity's.

(Ultrakill's reduces your Max HP for 5-10 seconds).

Yeah, wouldn't have been cool if we did that.

[subtle marsh]

in a secret seed, defense damage decreases your max HP for the duration it's active

[small timber]

speaking of tanking I feel a bunch of life regen downside alcohol need to be nerfed more?
I know alcohols are not considered in balancing, but a bunch of them just give too much while costing too little

[inner anvil]

IDK.

[grim tusk]

Rums my beloved (they need nerf lol)

[small timber]

I feel these 4 are the biggest offender (which unironically, is also the bunch that nohitter uses everytime)

another one is caribean rum

out of the alcohols I feel fabsol vodka have the proper cost for how good it is (potentially abit low cost even, hard to judge), and others have not super strong enough effect therefore can have a low cost (outside of like maybe screwdriver and the fire debuff ones which are situational, or rum)

but these are just super powerful for seemingly almost no cost

most of the time what they do is just cancel your regen potion and thats it

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[crude geode]

when are we stealing from hollow knight

[cobalt pewter]

ask fab if he likes HK

[frail mantle]

i don't think he does?

at least i believe he's mentioned that he has watched some gameplay and wasn't too much of a fan of how it looked

[hollow shell]

Is this sarcasm

[cobalt pewter]

what

[hollow shell]

afaik Fab has played through the entirety of Hollow Knight and may have even beaten Panth5

[inner anvil]

No, he hasn't played HK ever.

He watched some gameplay and didn't like it.

[hollow shell]

Damn
He's talked about it a ton though, even mentioning bosses he found fun and not fun

[inner anvil]

Probably watching a friend.

He does buy HK to his friends.

[grave zinc]

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[glass night]

nice.

[grave zinc]

@median geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[median geyser]

oh dang

that's my first one

[glass night]

same

[median geyser]

i'm really hoping its at least considered

[glass night]

also, good suggestion, honestly

[hollow shell]

Wack.
Thas a lotta second-hand experience

[glass night]

I don't think a sentry helps for pre-boss

[median geyser]

ikr, i really don't like the sentry as a starter weapon, it's more of a add on weapon for slighty more damage, not something you rely on as you start the game

[small timber]

I will much prefer a sentry over a very weak summon (because it is starter weapon) just so I can actively aim, but it is devs decisions now

[median geyser]

i think it'd be much cooler if they went the cnidrian weapon route and made it controllable weapon

probably should have mentioned that actually, oops

[frosty trellis]

Cool!

[lost valley]

🎊

[crude geode]

very small batch

[cobalt pewter]

that's what I heard Fab does often I think, second hand experiences

[inner anvil]

He likes to watch his friends play games/suffer.

(He made me play Jump King, I swear to god).

[tropic sleet]

Born to play normal games

Forced to play Jump King

[grave zinc]

@urban sphinx - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Calamity cursor accessory dyeable.]

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[cobalt pewter]

real

[sand ermine]

🐱

[half sage]

tmw the weapon's own tooltip makes fun of it for not being viable

[short walrus]

@small timber it's literally post polter

[half sage]

wrong

[small timber]

Bloodstone core is providence

As confusing as it sounds

[short walrus]

...huh

[half sage]

bloodstone core is prov, bloodflare is polter

[short walrus]

yeah then just adding the ruinous souls in would fix at least something

[small timber]

Yeah it is easily retierable (if they want to)

[eternal escarp]

the first bloodstone core arsenal weapon to follow the armor

would still not gain use i think what it really needs is a rework or an expanding on it

[small timber]

Yeah, unless it is a terrarian v2 kind of buff (aka 'doubles the damage of ...')

[eternal escarp]

sure itd be viable

but itd be boring

[small timber]

Yeah

[eternal escarp]

and still no one would want to use it

i rather a slightly weaker but cooler weapon than a boring ass yoyo with a perfect 4:05 killtime on yharon 😇

[small timber]

I just feel it can be awkward to be reworked without retier, post provi basically still has 3 yoyos and nothing until post dog

[eternal escarp]

at this point

remove it 🧌

[small timber]

Truly an awkward subclass weapon moment

[ripe owl]

Another based Feedza suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

please don't stroke my ego

that's an actual warning

[half sage]

My suggestion implementation rate is 100%, clearly I am the best suggestioner of all time

I've only made 1 suggestion

[hot zephyr]

spoiler alert this effect is REALLY cool

[golden tulip]

moonlight dye / hologram dye + Calamity sounds pretty cool

[neat linden]

so i get an awesome flame on my cursor

AND i can dye it?

[hot zephyr]

ya

[neat linden]

best vanity

[rustic cloak]

does anyone wanna play calamity with me ?

[hot zephyr]

no guarantee that every dye will end up looking good because calamity wasn't designed with this in mind but profaned moonlight slaps

[drowsy plank]

#multiplayer-looking-to-play

[small timber]

the other super notable problem is of course Phase 1 post-laser net invisible last way too short that DoG tend to hit you when you are still dodging the net, but that is already known

(and P2 laser wall still needing a telegraph from when it start that is not just DoG turning invisible, need a global one since DoG is not always on screen)

[hollow shell]

Lotta suggs recently, ey XPC?

[drowsy plank]

xpc is always pushing suggs

frankly id be suprised if they didnt have one in voting

they're just good at finding those little things worth changing

[eternal escarp]

xpc truly is feedza 2.0

[distant gyro]

gen 5 thomas

[eternal escarp]

so true

[slim rapids]

woah my suggestion is getting votes, how cool

maybe I should have put it in bugs instead

since it's more of a visual bug than anything

[small timber]

for a while I havent been playing actively other than trying weapon, only get back to it recently to find things to complain about

[hollow shell]

Fair enough

[swift wharf]

sorry i had to

[hot zephyr]

adir the one true suggestion king

[frosty trellis]

@dire loom Suggestions referencing another suggestion is a don't

[dire loom]

oopsies

guess i’ll change the wording since the point still stands

[hollow shell]

wait what

Why would you post this so soon after the other one

It's only been 2 days

[hot zephyr]

just remove the modifier... duh???

[eternal escarp]

Lucky Lucky Horseshoe

Spiked Spiked Shoes

Arcane Arcane Flower

(this is all to mention that i dont see why this matter)

[hollow shell]

Yeah it is quite the non-problem

[ashen warren]

What do you guys reccomend for me to beat the slime god before the wof?

[eternal escarp]

#help-advice-read-pins is what i reccomend

[ashen warren]

thanks

[hollow shell]

It's not like anyone is gonna keep using a weapon with the Broken modifier
It's among the most debilitating stat debuffs and a cheap reforge anyhow

[eternal escarp]

if anything

people will use it for the joke of Broken Broken Biome Blade

quadB

[hollow shell]

Bloodthirsty Broken Broken Biome Blade

[eternal escarp]

(Biting-Embrace)

[hollow shell]

True!

BBBBB(BE)

[eternal escarp]

we reached a limit

[hot zephyr]

you can't get broken broken

[hollow shell]

Why not

[hot zephyr]

it auto rerolls itself into legendary

[hollow shell]

Is that a bug or intended

[rotund tree]

intended

[hot zephyr]

It's a feature

[hollow shell]

cool

[hot zephyr]

iban and I talked about it once in dev when we were testing on da sword

we could just move the exact same code to regular biome blade

@gray nebula

[small timber]

I think it is worded legendary but have a weird broken-like stat

-damage but +speed or something

^

[hollow shell]

That is pretty fucked up

[eternal escarp]

wtf litterally unplayable

[hollow shell]

Wasn't properly re-rolled

[hot zephyr]

bug moment

[umbral dew]

fractured biome blade or ancient biome blade

[hot zephyr]

no

[frail mantle]

ruined biome blade

ez

[hot zephyr]

no

[hollow shell]

Old-ass Biome Blade

[gilded scroll]

Prehistoric Biome Blade

[hot zephyr]

REAL

Boomer Blade....

[cold cosmos]

Biome blade’nt

[sand ermine]

I endorse the Old-Ass Biome Blade

[frosty trellis]

Old-Ass Biome Blade is based as fuck

[fervent citrus]

somwthing that could potentionally help locate biome shrines

[hollow shell]

inevitable response

[fervent citrus]

i assume im not the first nor last to think of that

[hollow shell]

1. shrines are meant to be more difficult to find and not reliably obtained in each playthrough, adding locators would make it easier for people to indulge in the "must obtain everything" mindset
2. shrines will eventually cease to exist and be replaced with different obtainment methods that're different for each item

But, you can indeed still suggest it if you wish

[fervent citrus]

1st reason seems slightly wack altho the second point convinces me

[split grove]

@hot zephyr can you test gelitic blade on wall of flesh for me? It seemed too strong to me

[abstract monolith]

dear beloved beta testers, i have a request

can you just try out the Sparkling Empress against the EoC, its intended progression target?

it feels like, really really bad for some reason

maybe it's the damage, maybe it's the tick rate of dmg

but something feels really off about it

oh I gotta ping a tester

[distant gyro]

is it really the intended target

it's a beam

[abstract monolith]

you can obtain it right after defeating the desert scourge

[distant gyro]

look 2 bosses in front of it

a worm and a horde of creepers

[abstract monolith]

is 10 damage that hits every 3 times every second even that optimal

it's like 30-40 damage per second IF you aim your beam perfectly

its damage feels really off

just a pet peeve, it's the first weapon I've seen in pre-hm that actually seems way less optimal to use than others for its intended purpose

it has a charge time so it's a proactive weapon, it hits 4( maybe five times a second?), its on-kill effect deals 4 damage per shard dropped from the enemies

and it's 10 mana per cast which most of it gets eaten at the start by its charge time

[grave zinc]

@wintry frigate - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[lucid flare]

[grave zinc]

@oak sage - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Subsuming Vortex and Heavenly Gale's projectiles produce light like all the other exoweapons]

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[grim tusk]

Yes? Did you forget Ozz’s quote on dev?

And if its stronk as shit on those 2 just give it the same treatment we gave Seraphim

[distant gyro]

it's not gonna work like that

if you give it the same thing you give to seraphim then it's gonna do 0 damage to the single targets as well

because the weapon is channeling

seraphim and mounted scanner damage falloffs only work because they are limited

at this point, ozz's message is taken as "rework every last prism-like weapon because its strongest suit is piercing"

[abstract monolith]

there's a limit though to how much piercing can carry a weapon's stats

for the stage you get it in it's probably the most underwhelming weapon you can actually obtain

it's a 3% fishing drop after defeating the first major worm boss

and it's unironically worse than anything else you can get at its stage, with only the piercing going on for it

its damage is mediocre and its damaging ticks are incredibly slow

[distant gyro]

historically when it was viable for eoc

it was viable until wof

[abstract monolith]

which makes the weapon feel really sluggish

[distant gyro]

there is no good way to fine tune the weapon other than to entirely scrap it as a concept

[lost valley]

based

[distant gyro]

at that point just delete it

[abstract monolith]

I mean, cut its damage in half and make its damage rate 2.3x faster or something

as it is, my pet peeve is that it feels REALLY bad as a weapon per se

[drowsy plank]

i like the idea of sparkling empress as a fishable weapon in preHM in sunken sea, but if yall wanted to scrap the beam aspect i do not think anyone would miss it

[distant gyro]

also that's horrible with armor pen

there's a reason belladonna is ungodly broken

[abstract monolith]

I was gonna mention belladonna

[distant gyro]

it already has 10 damage

[abstract monolith]

and hey, if you're gonna nerf belladonna be my guest, but it should feel more as a reward for going that far for that niche of a weapon

not a "huh, that's neat" and scrapping it right away

let it be horrible with armor pen, but make it slightly more fun

[distant gyro]

it's actually going to deal 1 damage on anything with a decent amount of defense the instant it goes to 5 damage

[safe oasis]

a beam weapon meant for eoc when the next few bosses are all pierce heavy guarantees it to either be a horrible weapon or incredibly strong, no real in between

scrap the beam entirely imo

[drowsy plank]

sparkling emp is fine on brain and eater if im being honest which feel like their intended targets which iris already mentioned lmao

[distant gyro]

or 2+ damage with armor pen, multiplying damage by a factor of whatever is boosted by

[abstract monolith]

idk, it's legit the first weapon I've seen in the entirety of pre-hm that left me with a bad taste in my mouth

either make its piercing limited, or its windup faster

[distant gyro]

wind up could be instant

that part honestly really does not matter

[abstract monolith]

it'd make it more of a reactive weapon you can shoot as soon as possible, but making it instant would make it feel really awkward since the beam is instant

[distant gyro]

some other rays weapons are instant

[abstract monolith]

eh, fair

[distant gyro]

hopefully those aren't awkward

at least in practice

[abstract monolith]

yeah making it instant or like, 0.2 sec windup would make it feel way better

[distant gyro]

terra ray/eray/etc feel just right

[abstract monolith]

yeah, fair point! :D

my only pet peeve is how weird all those stacked things go against the weapon

removing one (the long ass windup) would help to make it feel way smoother

[sand ermine]

another one of these exo mech suggs it seems

requires basically reworking the AI

[inner anvil]

Simple solution: The Exo Mechs are on a timer, when the timer runs out, they teleport to another player, and so on.

I agree that Exo Mechs Multiplayer is a very mid fight, and it makes me sad.

[abstract monolith]

force both players to stay near eachother

[cold cosmos]

Solution: just make another set of mechs

[abstract monolith]

make a bubble near the first player if you're in multiplayer like, 50 blocks wide

if the other moves too far, they die

you dodge together

or make them somewhat bound to eachother so that they just get pulled together or damage eachother if they go too far from eachother

the boss is cool asf as it is, all there is to do is force the players not to abuse its coolness

you're not gonna make it to exo mechs if you're not even remotely synchronized through VC or something else in multiplayer anyways

might as well make use of that in the "level design" and force any mp character to stick together

I don't like people suggesting entire AI changes, there are so many other solutions

or give all players a debuff when they move too far from other players, the more all players are spread out the more damage or debuffs it will deal, to make the exo mechs feel like an mmo raid boss

[hollow shell]

@kindred creek

[abstract monolith]

OH IDEA

[abstract monolith]

perfect idea: make the windup way faster, BUT make the on-kill effect of the weapon more important and crucial to the weapon's identity

[distant gyro]

wtf it has an on kill effect

[abstract monolith]

on kill, you shoot out more than 2-3 shards, and they have more than 3 damage

[ruby plover]

also isnt reworking an entire bosses ai for multiplayer like

high effort

[abstract monolith]

IT DOES

AND IT'S SO WEIRD FOR A BEAM WEAPON

[distant gyro]

yes

[abstract monolith]

you could turn the whole concept of the weapon around

[gray nebula]

😂 😂 😂
ah
😂

[distant gyro]

anything involving harmonious multiplayer experience

[abstract monolith]

what if it being an infinitely piercing weapon was just like, a "flavor thing"

and the real meat was in its on-kill effect

[gray nebula]

i barely read the cfonvo but its kidna funky to wnt to rework or scrap every last prism type weapon

[abstract monolith]

it would fix the problem of hard to balance prism effects AND make it feel unique

[gray nebula]

cuz theyre cool

just give em damage falloff

[frosty trellis]

@bright crag So I broke Event Horizon (Silva revive wasn't used so no silva immunity tanking btw)
(All buffs that can't be seen are Crystal Ball and the three candles that aren't spiteful)

[abstract monolith]

nah the constant 10 is fine, but I would finetune the weapon and make it have a whole unique concept

it's easy to do and the skeleton of the idea is already there

[gray nebula]

whats hte idea

[distant gyro]

how do you damage falloff a channeling weapon and actually have it work

[gray nebula]

on kill doesnt work in the context of it being focused on boss fights where on kill dosnt matter..

and also tbh "does more projectils on X" is kinda sleepe

r

[ruby plover]

also i love the idea of reworking a boss AI for multiplayer because its literally just giving you another AI that will break in multiplayer all over again

[abstract monolith]

you could make the shards the sparkling empress releases on kill do actually something, and my idea was make them have a burnt sienna effect

[gray nebula]

the more npcs hit in a tick , the less damage it deals

[abstract monolith]

release prism shards that actually benefit the players

[distant gyro]

retroactively checking number of hits every frame?

[abstract monolith]

and aren't literally 8 to 12 damage

[gray nebula]

yea

not even that hard

[distant gyro]

á

[gray nebula]

the hardest would just be to make it have a proper ordering instead of using the default npc spawn order

[distant gyro]

grunkly

[abstract monolith]

it's a mechanic that already exists, the desert scourge already gets less damage from every pierce of a weapon and the scourge of the desert gets +20% dmg every stealth strike pierce

it's not unheard of

it could be done

for a beam weapon though?

[distant gyro]

that's a different thing

[abstract monolith]

that's screaming for a crash

like it's a constant beam, not a projectile

[distant gyro]

a weapon that travels once and never again can just check per hit

[abstract monolith]

yeah that's my point

[distant gyro]

because it travels once and hits once and stops

[abstract monolith]

it's a good idea and I thought of that, but I can't really see how it could work for beam weapons

[distant gyro]

jester's arrows, seraphim, mounted scanner, etc do this

[abstract monolith]

ye ye ik

that's my point

I mean I'm not the programmer here

hell I haven't wrote code in like 4 years

but yeah my idea stands

[drowsy plank]

@kindred creek did u know this is how every single fight in the game works. what is with all the exo mech multiplayer suggs, what did exo mechs specifically do to deserve this. every single boss in the game does this that's how targeting AI works bc this game wasn't meant for multiplayer. like barring the fact that this suggestion literally just passed anyway.

[abstract monolith]

leave the weapon as it is with less charge time, and make the on kill effect the main focus of the weapon

it's too cool of a weapon to be left like this, just a "oh thats neat" fish weapon in the mod's most unique biome

[inner anvil]

Other bosses in MP are a slight threat.

[abstract monolith]

[inner anvil]

Exo Mechs there's not a boss for the rest of players.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

simply stay close to each other

[abstract monolith]

that's what i keep saying

[inner anvil]

Uh huh, sudden God Slayer Dash and all gone.

[swift wharf]

don't dash

[abstract monolith]

and if they don't want that, make the players stay close to eachother

[swift wharf]

[abstract monolith]

disable dashes

[frosty trellis]

I try to do that with Exos in mp although I generally end up the last one alive bc most of the people I've played with can't fight Exos to save their life

[inner anvil]

Then flawed idea.

[abstract monolith]

multiplayer people don't deserve a dash anyways

[blazing kettle]

whats happening? another exo mechs multiplayer suggestion?

[gilded scroll]

mmmm yes, lets take away a core part of a players movement because theyre playing in multiplayer, genius idea.

[abstract monolith]

don't ? me
make all mp worlds have a defiled rune effect
it will fix all boss complains trust me

[abstract monolith]

NO one can have nice things. i refuse

[gilded scroll]

well in that case, take away my ability to use WASD.

[abstract monolith]

I take away your ability to use the S key in a multiplayer world

you can only go up

[gilded scroll]

i hate you so much

[abstract monolith]

[gilded scroll]

now i cant use my rope 😄

[abstract monolith]

use slime mount

[sand ermine]

just fall silly

no more platforms though 😼

[grim tusk]

GS dash nerfed to 1 minute

[sand ermine]

i wanna take on a challenge like that now that i think of it

no platforms,

[frosty trellis]

Considering just how often I (And a lot of people) forget that exists, we wont notice

[hollow shell]

Weird suggestion

[abstract monolith]

I will fight

[hollow shell]

You cite its core function being a source of sluggishness, yet you don't actually suggest any changes to that core function, just more additions to its secondary functions?

[abstract monolith]

I would change the weapon's design on its head

why make its appeal the beam?

Just because it's a beam-type of weapon doesn't mean its entire identity has to revolve around it

And prism-like weapons are incredibly hard to balance, so why not change directions with its design?

It's a fairly early weapon so it doesn't have to use anything fancy or weird, that's why I suggested making some funky yet simple change with its on kill effects

It can keep its beam attack as a flavor thing, while still being unique with a secondary effect

wrong chat

[bright crag]

Lemme guess, you were close to Yharon the entire fight

[hollow shell]

I don't necessarily agree because this is such an early weapon, you won't encounter another prism-type wep for a long time
It's a bit odd for your first exposure to this weapon concept in progression to be an instant subversion of the weapon concept

Granted,
I have literally never used this weapon So I don't have grounds to speak from experience

[abstract monolith]

I see your point, yeah! And since you won't encounter another prism-type wep, it's more of a reason to either give it a decent buff with its damage (but at that point as Iris said it would probably become the go-to OP weapon up to WoF if overtuned), or give it an unique effect and leave it as it is! But prism weapons have to be weaker than others by design since the infinite pierce and constant stream is dangerous to balance.

That's why, instead of just buffing its damage, I propose to turn just the weapon's design around, and let it still be a prism weapon! Just, not make it be the main appeal of the weapon :D

||also the prisms it releases on kill right now deal like 3 damage each which is laughable for a post first boss weapon||

also it's 2 am, if I'm speaking out of my ass with this suggestion pls forgive

out of like 75 pre-hm weapons I made quick vids on this is the first one that actively left me a bad impression

[ruby plover]

(i think, even if you are playing aggressively, being under a nohit mnl with tester gear is a lil fast?)

though i do understand its kinda hard to make it not shit if you dont play aggressively i guess

[frosty trellis]

Well, yeah. I was.

[frosty trellis]

I agree here (Especially since I didn't even use Silva Revive to just tank Yharon at any point to make it faster. Was trying to avoid that bc no facetanking and all)

[ruby plover]

i guess it kinda requires two sets of tests: playing aggressively, and playing super fast and running away, to get its full dps scale

[frosty trellis]

I used to run away from Yharon but being up closer have proven to be more consistent for me

Kills him faster AND just overall makes him easier to dodge as I don't accidentally fly into the flare dust rings as they start

I also play DoG aggressive for that reason (And also it just makes dodging the laser walls easier bc I can actually see him disappear then can just fly straight up and then pretty much never get hit by them)

[bright crag]

^

If it's on killtime with a moderate playstyle, not much I can do

Point-blank does enter this case

[frosty trellis]

I really don't like running from Yharon as I died way more when I ran from him

Also just harder to get Event Horizon to hit

I was just going to suggest an iframe change on Event Horizon so you can't just stack like 80 of them up and have them delete Yharon

And it won't affect the farther away playstyles in any way as they wouldn't be stacking a ton of the stars on top of each other, so the iframes don't matter to them

Just prevents melting while still giving the up close styles more damage obviously

Because I can't get anywhere close to this with any other class

Besides Rogue but Executioners Blade spam is actually overtuned overall

Melee, Ranger and Summoner at best can get 2:5x with Greatword of Blah, Alluvion with Luminite Arrows and a full menacing Saros build with 3 summon accessories for slots and damage

[fervent orbit]

@bright crag spectre staff

y e s

this is what happens when you more than double the damage

[cobalt pewter]

ah, Golem

[crude geode]

isn't spectre staff hella known

or is it just.

still broken after getting nerfed.

[drowsy plank]

i think we all knew about spectre rifle, idk about staff

[cobalt pewter]

cal hasn't adjusted the buff given to Spectre Staff yet?

[drowsy plank]

not suprised lmao

[fervent orbit]

nope

they just saw spectre rifle

[cobalt pewter]

because I'm fairly sure they gave buff to it before 1.4 made it pierce twice

[glass arch]

i forget spectre staff exists tbh

[frosty trellis]

Pierce means jack shit when it's a minute fast on Levi and Aureas

[cobalt pewter]

....

[crude geode]

it. does?

the thing homes.

[cobalt pewter]

Spectre Staff is both piercing AND homing

[glass arch]

nah the pierce can let it hit twice

[cobalt pewter]

piercing big matters

[drowsy plank]

spectre staff still has base 195 compared to it's base 65 from vanilla

[frosty trellis]

Oh the piece lets it hit twice on a single target? Shit

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

why the fuck is still at 200 damage

[crude geode]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

I'm fairly sure it hits thrice

pierces twice means that it only is gone on the 3rd hit

[frosty trellis]

I thought the pierce was for multiple enemies... Hence... Pierce

[lucid flare]

"Spectre Staff? oh you mean the precursor to Phantasmal Fury?"

[crude geode]

god

[fervent orbit]

pierce is more powerful for homing

[glass arch]

if it pierces twice theres the first hit, first pierce, second pierce, so yeah 3 hits

[fervent orbit]

its why spectre staff didnt also get a damage boost

[lucid flare]

what

[cobalt pewter]

the logic with piercing (if we take Spectre Staff example)

hit - pierce - hit - pierce - hit - gone

[drowsy plank]

wiki moment

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[fervent orbit]

ah yes

[crude geode]

I just hate that there's probably a person out there that actually thinks that way

[glass arch]

so it should definitely be nerfed

[fervent orbit]

that is the projectile

[frosty trellis]

You mean shitasmal fury because it's bad?

[cobalt pewter]

and usually piercing on single entity bosses like levi and aureus doesn't matter

except Spectre Staff also homes in, meaning that it gets to fully utilize its piercing to max

[glass arch]

yeah

usually piercing more than once on large bosses is useless

[lucid flare]

:(

[drowsy plank]

oh spectre got an iframe buff in 1.4.4 too

[cobalt pewter]

god

[glass arch]

sometimes you can line it up right with non-homing weapons and hit twice but homing is just on another level

[frosty trellis]

Oh no

[crude geode]

wasn't that like. half the weapons tho

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah but this + the existing buffs + it having 200 base damage

not a great mix for balance

[glass arch]

so spectre staff needs a hard nerf

[ocean beacon]

Yoo

[zinc gorge]

any help for exo mechs revengeance summoner

[fervent orbit]

not here

[ocean beacon]

the heavens gale isnt on the class setups list

[cobalt pewter]

#help-advice-read-pins

[ocean beacon]

they should add it

[cobalt pewter]

#wiki-discussion

Jesus

[frosty trellis]

It's not on endgame because Contagion is literally just better as a bow and everything else does just far more damage as well

[ocean beacon]

I havent beat supreme calamitas and I have it

[frosty trellis]

Photo is better for SCal

[ocean beacon]

its not entirely end game

[frosty trellis]

Endgame class setups includes shadow spec tier shit

[sullen swan]

photoviscerator is better in every way possible

[lucid flare]

well that's not how guide:class setups works anyway

[frosty trellis]

Pre-scal/Exos is Auric tier (and occasionally Cosmolite depending)

[crude geode]

this also isn't the chat for this.

[ocean beacon]

o I didnt even know that weapon existed

I use only bows

[fervent orbit]

wow thats helpful

[ocean beacon]

but even photoviserator iusnbt even on the class setups list lol

[fervent orbit]

omfg

[crude geode]

#wiki-discussion

[fervent orbit]

because its not good enough for endgame, and its not pre exos

[ocean beacon]

I did move over there they just texted me here again sorry sir

[frosty trellis]

^^^^

[fervent orbit]

also it is on endgame

[frosty trellis]

Photo ye

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message
@kindred creek this is already getting voted on in dev

[fervent orbit]

it alr got a checkmark too

[crude geode]

that's what the checkmark means. that it got sent to dev.

[fervent orbit]

s h u t

[grave zinc]

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve the visibility of Old Duke’s teeth projectiles]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

god

[vocal grotto]

troll.png

[deft yew]

[grave zinc]

@earnest jewel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make DoG Teleport visually a little better]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[bright crag]

You see
It was previously buffed by Cal
And then vanilla buffed it in 1.4

So yeah, makes sense

I'll see what I can do

[sand ermine]

🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈

hooray

[deft yew]

[kindred creek]

got it

[stark locust]

would this be a good suggestion. remove malice ai from death- boss rush so how i see this working is normal,expert and master mode would have rev ai rev would have death ai and death would have malice ai. i think this would be a good idea because if you aren't playing on rev+ you are iver not that good at the game or it is your first time so by making this change it would allow someone playing on expert mode to experience revengeance mode ai with out having to play on revengeance mode. sorry if formatting is bad if this is a good idea i will change it to make it easier to read for when i post it in suggestion posting

[short walrus]

What

[frosty trellis]

That would be readding old content

So no

[short walrus]

Death doesn't use malice ai what are you on

[stark locust]

shit i forgot to say this is for boss rush

[short walrus]

The boss rush uses malice ai but that's on all modes

And yeah what MPG said

[frosty trellis]

No that can stay on all modes

As that's been a thing since boss rush's beginning

Is all bosses are either enraged (pre 1.5) or use malice AI (1.5 and onwards)

[bright crag]

^

[ruby plover]

I have a suggestion idea, but i kinda wanna know how, like. feasible, or good of an idea, it is

essentially, im thinking that the weapons with alt-fires should be powered up when you alternate their firing methods (alike to what raider's talisman does for stealth and spam rogue)

so, if you just use one firing method, its kinda. average. an alright weapon

but if you alternate their firing methods, it becomes a stronger weapon

[short walrus]

That sounds
Difficult
To balance

[glass arch]

the problem id see with that is some of the forms have vastly different use times, so that might be very difficult to pull off

[ruby plover]

thats my main concern, like
it might

[frosty trellis]

Yeah the balance would be an issue

[ruby plover]

but i aint a tester, so
iunno

[frosty trellis]

That and the raiders talisman effect is ass compared to just pure spam or pure stealth after phm

But it would be a nightmare to balance

[ruby plover]

okee

[frosty trellis]

As the usetimes and stuff can make things.... interesting

Also because The Anomoly's Nanogun does not need further buffs

[ruby plover]

i just like weapons that you gotta think about using, to make em strong, is all

like AotC :)

but yeah i had a hunch it was a good idea to ask here

instead of suggesting it

[frosty trellis]

That thing is like actually fine on Yharon and has a sub 4 minute exos time (when testing is 6 minutes, I can give you a vid for proof)

[ruby plover]

(i dont need proof

(i was nohitting exo mechs literally like 5 mins ago

(with the nanogun

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[ruby plover]

i had to... nerf my loadout

[frosty trellis]

Yeah my tester gear gets 3:50-3:54 on average

L.click for twins, r.click for Ares, either click depending on what thanatos does

[small timber]

The tldr is it will become 3x the balance work yeah

[frosty trellis]

And some weapons are kinda fucking dumb as is

[small timber]

Since you have to balance pure left click, balance pure right click and alternating both

[drowsy plank]

i think the easier solution would just be to slowly make more weapons require thought like AotC

[frosty trellis]

(Other reason this does not need to exist is because nanogun also deletes the seekers)

[drowsy plank]

gale, clockwork bow/pumpler, etc.

[ruby plover]

i know of this as well

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Some weapons could benefit from it, but some weapons are... broken enough as is

Oh god fucking photovis

Yeah fuck that

[drowsy plank]

i hope the devil's sunrise rework makes it cool

would be nice if it went from glorified yoyo sword to something that requires brainpower lmao

[frosty trellis]

Glorified Yoyo sword that with spam ramming can annihilate polter

[drowsy plank]

what if copper shortsword could kill exo mechs

[frosty trellis]

Problem: Ares

[drowsy plank]

no i meant like if copper shortsword suddenly became under killtime viable for exo mechs

would you still want it up there on class setups

cause i would not

[ruby plover]

that sounds so goofy

[frosty trellis]

Yes but I can't bc wiki team said no

[lost valley]

i'd argue against it

[drowsy plank]

yes that is what devil's sunrise is right now

[frosty trellis]

Devil's Sunrise isn't that bad
It getting a rework is long overdue but at least it actually can be good specifically because of polter's AI

[small timber]

Time for someone to make a donor item named "Copper's Shortsword" that is a post yharon auric weapon

[lost valley]

how do donor items even work? like how does someone get something in the game?

[small timber]

You cant now, it used to be donation reward

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

Now their donor item backlog get so long that donor item is no longer a reward now

[lost valley]

ah okay that makes sense

[small timber]

Instead you get early access to new update by a week or something like that

[frosty trellis]

You used to be able to pay 50 USD to get an item in the game so long as it wasn't post yharon (There are a few post yharon donors but those are few and far between) and you got to choose the recipe and how the weapon should act and such

And yeah the donor weapon backlog is long as frack

[lost valley]

yeah i assume that got flooded

[frosty trellis]

They are still working on shit from 2019 donors

[grave zinc]

@royal tapir - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change Abyss Torch recipe to not use Lumenyl]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

NICE

[royal tapir]

Honestly quite incredible

[lost valley]

🎊

[frosty trellis]

Actually based suggestion going past

[grave zinc]

@outer frost - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have ashen slabs and brimstone slag blend when placed next to eachother]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

interesting

[short walrus]

Epico

[outer frost]

[eternal escarp]

what were the specific weapons again

of course

shouldnt have been surprised

ill see if i can recheck them later

[frosty trellis]

There's a problem with dragons rage? Thanatos might need more res to it but other than that d.rage is perfeclty fine

[vague vortex]

are they gonna change the old duke fight?

[short walrus]

I don't think there are any plans

Why do you ask?

[vague vortex]

i see everyone hating on the infernum fight

of old duke

[small timber]

infernum is not equal to calamity

infernum do their own changes, calamity do their own changes on the boss

[vague vortex]

is infernum not official?

[small timber]

if it is infernum fight that have problem, you go to infernum

yes, not official

[vague vortex]

oh

alr then

[short walrus]

Also, have you actually fought old duke

[vague vortex]

yeh

[small timber]

though I heard something about them (infernum developers) refusing to nerf infernum old duke so you are probably out of luck

[short walrus]

From the way you worded it it sounds like you hadn't

[vague vortex]

tbh either way they should chang eit

[small timber]

I think they have full intent to keep infernum old duke as it is

aka: no nerf

because I was explicitly told by one of the main tester of infernum that they will not nerf old duke (when I said something about old duke being overtuned)

[vague vortex]

imo the calamity old duke isnt fun

and is just duke fishron v2

[small timber]

that is... literally the point

[short walrus]

Yeah

[vague vortex]

yeh exactly

[small timber]

in fact I dislike it because it is not close enough no duke fishron v2

it is more projectile than actually duke

[vague vortex]

i mean it is old so it would make sense if it couldnt dash anymore

[tardy smelt]

The Old Duke incident

I take no responsibility for that wacky situation

But I do think it was nerfed after a while...?

[swift wharf]

@drowsy plank you should include other wings honestly

[small timber]

I think the main thing with the wing suggestion is... I dont understand what the suggestion really is trying to do?

is it to nerf the ones that are too strong or to buff the ones that are too weak?

because "if everything is just as strong then it is balanced"

is it to buff the class wings or?

[swift wharf]

it's more of a general rebalance I think

[cobalt pewter]

I think this is another case of old cal artefact

[swift wharf]

cuz 70% of the buffs are

+5% dmg

[cobalt pewter]

these wings stats get in the way of design

[frosty trellis]

Its rebalance yeah

[swift wharf]

also holy fucking shit

[small timber]

then the suggestion will have to set a standard on "what is a balanced wing for the tier"

[swift wharf]

flamethrowers casually get a 35% damage boost with full shroomite set and wings

[cobalt pewter]

yea.

[small timber]

otherwise there is no reference for what is good currently (balance wise)

[frosty trellis]

Tattered Fairy and Festive are literally the single best wings until you get Fishron/Empress/Betsy in general

[cobalt pewter]

flamethrowers are funny

[swift wharf]

[cobalt pewter]

@eternal escarp arson yes

[eternal escarp]

arson

[tropic sleet]

Based arson enjoyer

[swift wharf]

BLAST PLEASE DONT KILL ELDEN MELTER

[cobalt pewter]

arson becomes prettier in 1.4.4

hopefully cal catches up to the visual revamp

[eternal escarp]

theres litterally -12% reasons to balance elf melter rn

[small timber]

and then 1.4.4 comes around and say "no" and turn flamethrower shroomite into a "other subclass" helmet

[frosty trellis]

Best flight time or defensive stats for the tier and literally just outclassed the class specific wings as it's similar/same damage boosts with more flight time

[eternal escarp]

when it changes in 1.4.4

[swift wharf]

1.4.4 finna make it even stronger

20 second golem kill soon🙏

[eternal escarp]

its a good thing

[small timber]

what even is the 1.4.4 flamethrower change

[cobalt pewter]

isn't it rocket helmet that becomes rocket + specialist

[small timber]

less iframe on attack + armor pen?

[swift wharf]

now they look like uhhhhhh

[eternal escarp]

the projectile behaves in a cooler way

[swift wharf]

besty flamethrower

[cobalt pewter]

so there's no reason for visage anymore