suggestions-discussion

[radiant meadow]

we don't need it. but what if I want it

[distant gyro]

you will mysteriously disappear on the spot

[swift wharf]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2815540735

[cobalt pewter]

can we ban anyone linking or sending images of cal fandom

since apparently no one here can read

[robust lava]

Just get a dev to make it their dev item ez

[lucid flare]

how are we supposed to tell them that wiki.gg exists then

[cobalt pewter]

by physical abuse, obviously

[distant gyro]

bot sends a dm

harassing the user indefinitely

[robust lava]

How about they open up the game and look at the very obvious in game message telling them to use the correct wiki

[lucid flare]

you know that meme about

survivorship bias

maybe there are people who read the message and understood it immediately

and that's why they didn't say anything

leaving only the people who didn't understand to ask

[radiant meadow]

A small cost for greatness

[crude geode]

Is it worth it to disappear a dev for a single funny meme

[radiant meadow]

yes

[distant gyro]

yes

[radiant meadow]

without question

[distant gyro]

ignoring that the meme will also mysteriously disappear

but yes

[radiant meadow]

on a side note, what if we rename Catfish to Bullheads to prevent confusion with the vanilla item

[lucid flare]

calamity catfish?

[distant gyro]

wasn't catfish on the rename doc

and the other one

[cobalt pewter]

catfish is a thing?

[[tgc:Catfish]]

[red storm]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Catfish

[cobalt pewter]

what.

[radiant meadow]

it's a sulphurous sea enemy

oh you meant the Angler item

you can catch it in the Jungle when the Angler wants a pet cat

[cobalt pewter]

that looks more like a rat

[radiant meadow]

don't tell the Angler or he'll give you coal

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah, I think renaming the cal enemy would be fine

[radiant meadow]

and a tin can

[distant gyro]

flounder is also the other dupe

[radiant meadow]

halibut cannon

hogchokers are a type of flounder too

I have no idea why people named it that tho

maybe they fed it to their livestock and they died

[radiant meadow]

apparently people like toxicatfish and sulflounder

lame

[distant gyro]

i appreciate the puns

[swift wharf]

carcalfish

[radiant meadow]

we gonna name Hive to Nursery and nobody's gonna get the reference

[distant gyro]

that one's definitely iffy

[radiant meadow]

like the reference is there but like most people think of raising human children

not baby stars

[distant gyro]

the entire astral set of renames

feels like there's better names that no one has come up yet

[short walrus]

oo, astral renames?

[drowsy plank]

well the astral comes from a large asteroid that crash landed on terraria right so what if you renamed the armor to meteor armor and for the astral blaster, well it's a gun and it's from space, so you could call it space gun. oh you could make it a magic weapon and the armor could have a set bonu-

[short walrus]

prepare to have your spine bisected

[arctic terrace]

i much prefer the method of pulling some's nervous system out

[drowsy plank]

convertation

[short walrus]

@dull ingot with 1.4 you can create your own alt evil biome, where you can get all of the opposite removals

in short, that already exists

alternatively, just boot up a corruption world lmao

[small timber]

and additionally you just have an opposite evil sky island that spawn in every single world

[cobalt pewter]

or just

fargone

[dull ingot]

how?) in blood moon steampunk only sells crimson solition

[short walrus]

graveyard

[small timber]

yeah

it is a vanilla recipe

[short walrus]

^^^ also

[dull ingot]

oh, i forgot about that

[swift wharf]

no evil world exclusivity

[dull ingot]

i know but its kinda silly)

[short walrus]

please stop pinging me

[swift wharf]

we should kill all ways to get opposite evil content

[short walrus]

real

[cobalt pewter]

destroyer being large is just

bad idea in general

maybe make it a good boss instead

[short walrus]

would be cool if it utilised its old function as a digging robot more

more directed charges?

[golden tulip]

idk i kinda like big destroyer

its just too fat rn imo

[short walrus]

needs a diet

[swift wharf]

make dest fire boulders

[short walrus]

ballin

[crisp cobalt]

LMAO

he did the thing

[cobalt pewter]

and that's funny how?

[short walrus]

the guy was discussing fandom funnies in genmedia and took "then stick it in the game" as "put it in suggestion posting"

[drowsy plank]

destroyer be a good boss impossible challenge

[tardy smelt]

Infernum Destroyer🥺

[small timber]

the best way to make destroyer good is by making it not destroyer

[drowsy plank]

just like brain of cthulhu

unsurprisingly the weakest link in Cal is the vanilla bosses

[heavy walrus]

damn i actually like it being large

[cobalt pewter]

it's just big for the sake of it

[heavy walrus]

i know but still

it looks cool

[cobalt pewter]

"it looks cool" doesn't hold up in this area

[drowsy plank]

i think it looks ugly bc the sprite gets blown up and creates mixels

[cobalt pewter]

and that

it can be menacing without being big

Calamitas is barely bigger than the player

(the girl, not the eye)

[drowsy plank]

obvs a lot of bosses get size modifiers but dest is the biggest offender and it sprite does not have the level of detail that benefits this sort of size modifier

[heavy walrus]

damn i kinda wish supreme calamitas was bigger

[drowsy plank]

why

[cobalt pewter]

just go to a certain corner in the internet

[heavy walrus]

i like fighting things bigger than the player a lot more

[heavy walrus]

💀

[swift wharf]

elden ring

[drowsy plank]

i mean she still gets the shield

the sepulcher, her brothers

[cobalt pewter]

the shield relatively holds her size relatively the same to pre resprite yes

[heavy walrus]

yeah but shes still kinda small

[cobalt pewter]

also there are potential for making bosses that attack in the background

[drowsy plank]

that would be cool

[heavy walrus]

this is cool

[cobalt pewter]

but I doubt Fab really wants to design bosses based on "unique" concepts as he prefers vanilla design more

but who knows maybe I'll be proven wrong when Xeroc appears in 2174

[drowsy plank]

i still have no clue how yharim will be handled

[swift wharf]

the memes ss goes here

[drowsy plank]

LC getting the shield from SCal rejected always seemed weird to me

[cobalt pewter]

probably they don't want to change his hitboxes

[drowsy plank]

fair enough

[cobalt pewter]

I think LC should just

not attract homing shots someh

ow

let them cope

let summoners cope

force them to use just whips

[drowsy plank]

lmao??

[cobalt pewter]

LC's only potential for a unique gimmick is kinda butchered in cal

[lucid flare]

profaned guardians:

[cobalt pewter]

ritual is just more of a time bomb in here

[drowsy plank]

still better than brain and dest

[heavy walrus]

storm weaver

that shit sucks

[drowsy plank]

still

better than brain and dest

[heavy walrus]

nah

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[heavy walrus]

those can be enjoyed

[drowsy plank]

at least storm weaver tries to do cool stuff

brain and dest and just spammy and boring

[small timber]

storm weaver is ok now

it is just... really weird now

basically at lower hp storm weaver just become weaker

[cobalt pewter]

big issue with boc is that concepts thst could potentially be interesting are (more often than not) barred by engine limitations

[drowsy plank]

just make BoC into Ceaseless Void 2

[cobalt pewter]

make BoC a sentient entity that tracks your IP address and bombs your house if you died

[small timber]

Phase 1 = circle simulator
Phase 2:
subphase 1 = call lightning + charge
subphase 2= charge + frost waves
subphase 3 = no charge??? + frost waves + tornado

[swift wharf]

delirium telefrag

[cobalt pewter]

yes sp3 on SW p2 is no charge

sp2 SW charges half as much

[devout shell]

@ashen warren gigachad suggestion

[ashen warren]

yes my brother we shall spred the word

and make it in to the game

[devout shell]

Yes

[ashen warren]

and develop a nation

whit some uncany rist bands

whit red black and white

and eradicate the not belivers

[soft quest]

Xpcqe, that was a great dash/dodge rework suggestion, very smart

[swift wharf]

who tests melee again

[small timber]

@alpine dawn balance (item buff/nerf) suggestion are done through pinging testers now

[swift wharf]

actually do we even test dev shit

[small timber]

(list of testers you can ping)

[alpine dawn]

Ah funky

[swift wharf]

that isn't unimaginably strong like oblongus eternity or smth

[small timber]

Though ya, shadowspec weapons are not priority for balancing right now

Maybe with the new boss rush it changes things though

(since azathoth did get buffed recently)

[alpine dawn]

Well it won't be the endgame loot forever, since we will get more bosses. But I get it, when we need to we will

[small timber]

The tldr is do expect shadowspec stuff to be quite unbalanced I think, some will be too weak some will be too strong, simply because post-game stuffs are hard to balance when only reference is boss rush which is a 43 boss grindfest

[lucid flare]

faulse.....

[small timber]

They will ALWAYS be end game loot yeah

[lucid flare]

iirc dev tier will get pushed to post-yharim whenever he comes out

[frosty trellis]

Also draconic Destruction is fine actually

It got a fucking dumb buff recently so it was actually good

Arguably the best melee weapon for terminus Leviathan and you can have the projectiles linger in SCals bhs to cause extra damage to her

[swift wharf]

ya

you'll be fighting jarim with scal and exo drops

[frosty trellis]

So I get to commit violence?

On Yharim?

[swift wharf]

ja

[lucid flare]

rim

[devout shell]

Quick, get your dev-tier items now

[cobalt pewter]

this weapon, just like a handful of old post-game weapons, need a serious visual overhaul

[swift wharf]

blushiestaff jumpscare

[distant gyro]

old dev design old item, old item looks outdated

shocking connection

[swift wharf]

counterpoint:

[frosty trellis]

Counterpoint: It doesn't look that bad and actually has a use on Terminus Leviathan

Although red Sun exists soooo....

[distant gyro]

basically all the melee weapons

[frosty trellis]

Wdym

[distant gyro]

outdated design

[frosty trellis]

Not all melee weapons have outdated designs

Ele Excalibur got a recentish resprite

[distant gyro]

i mean fundamentally

sprites get updated a lot

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Ic

[distant gyro]

only sprite that doesn't keep up in that regard is earth

[frosty trellis]

I don't see earth needing a resprite anytime soon but fair enough

[distant gyro]

but how the items function a lot of it boil down to cranking something to big mode

big size, big fast, big spam

nothing else to it

the hammer is peak example

[frosty trellis]

And can sit on top of 90% of the game and facetank shit bc you get a stupid amount of healing

[drowsy plank]

why is this not flagged yet

@hollow shell im just gonna ping, considering this is a balance sugg it should prolly be flagged. esp considering it's about dev tier items too lol

[frosty trellis]

Yeah LOL

[cobalt pewter]

you'll get dev tier balance when you fixed this damn door

[frosty trellis]

????

[lucid flare]

oh why did thaet thing pass

[drowsy plank]

great question

[radiant meadow]

door is forever broken

[blazing kettle]

why are therecpeople starring the deerclops suggestion

[limpid salmon]

whoever suggested removing frost barrier has my respect

[lucid flare]

helo

[limpid salmon]

:)

[lucid flare]

[small timber]

You can fight duke fishron p3 in a relatively small space so I will say you can definitely plan ahead for this one, you can control where it spawns too

Just move from one side of the arena to the other before transition of a new cthulunado spawn

[cobalt pewter]

eh, I still don't like how Cthulhunadoes exist in p3

they ruin what is an otherwise good part of the fight

[lost valley]

god that frozen wing stat bonus is just sad

[sand ermine]

[cobalt pewter]

Frozen Wing should let melee and ranged weapons inflict Glacial State :clue

[radiant meadow]

frozen wings are a relic of the wings being one of the best for half of hardmode + the other armors not getting reworks yet

frozen wings shouldn't give damage at all

they should give a special other bonus

[crude geode]

they should give immunity to cold in death mode :cluel

[cobalt pewter]

and I feel like armor specific bonuses can just be

idk, gone

most of the time the bonuses are so small is it even worth taking

[crude geode]

for wings?

[supple lance]

You know about the drone in Vanilla 1.4.4?

I'd love to see a Draedon-made Drone with the finest controls as he made it himself

[willow widget]

honestly, that could be pretty cool

[supple lance]

As great the Vanilla drone is, it's clunky to pilot it.

[willow widget]

yeah, make it like exo box, but with the speed up

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[crude geode]

the counter argument to that is people would just use the best available wings at any given moment...however that's already what people do because they just get the best current armor and then equip the matching wings lol

[cobalt pewter]

might as well remove wings progression and make them all vanity and and and

nerf bosses to account for that

[frosty matrix]

I just wish you didn't have to choose between the end game wings and the elysian tracers

[frosty trellis]

Celestial Tracers exist

And that's kinda the point

Tracers or wings, what do you prefer

[crude geode]

are tracers still bad

they were last time I checked, just due to general movement speed changes

[small timber]

seraph is abit bad, elysian is decent (for yharon I will say good), celestial is extremely good

seraph is good for the time you can use it, but since it last from ML all the way to DoG it become bad later on

[small timber]

I can recheck it, I dont think there is MS change after I last tested them, they should still massively outspeed wings on tier

[crude geode]

I thought that wings were better cuz of movement speed changes making it actually affect wings

anyways yeah

is elysian only used for yharon

[small timber]

last time I checked tldr is:
the movement speed impact on wing flight speed is very minimal, or rather massively watered down (they scale badly)

movement speed on angel treads + wings scales nicely

movement speed on tracers scale insanely

dis

[crude geode]

sounds good

[crude geode]

so like, this sounds really stupid

[small timber]

this time I will do less interval (more MS increase per interval) just so it dont take so long like last time
(I will skip to post-ML wings just to save time)

[small timber]

yes which is why there was suggestion about moving elysian somewhere post-Provi/post-sentinels (still no result)

[crude geode]

ughhhh

approved hell

[small timber]

it doesnt even get approved

[crude geode]

oh wait yeah

[small timber]

approved is 👍

[inner anvil]

Right now the sugg didn't pass, got denied, IDK why it doesn't show it.

[crude geode]

any particular reason?

[small timber]

tracers still scale better with movement speed, and angel treads make wings scale better with speed (except silva and drews since I think that one have natural speed beyond treads' scaling)

(in my initial test I didn't tested celestial, only seraph vs elysian wing, this one should be more comprehensive)

[inner anvil]

No.

[small timber]

this is with laudanum
and then any point of MS afterwards just upped the speed like crazy, but this is not a speed you can achieve without abuse anyway so I will not bother

(ok fuck it, I did it anyway) but ya at some point treads just make every single wing the same

[keen zodiac]

why is the "buff draconic destruction" sugg flagged

[small timber]

item balance suggestion (buff/nerf) are done through pinging testers now
(it is a bit weird in that, specifically suggestion to buff weapons I think, are done through pinging, which is why the armor buff suggestion is allowed)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

That and dev tier balancing is not a concern rn

[crude geode]

dev tier will never be balanced

[frosty trellis]

Fair

I'm sorry how is devourer of cods not enough already? It's 10 lines per and catches so many things

[frail mantle]

@wild whale you'll need to explain why this should be added

[wild whale]

its funny

[frosty trellis]

It's funny is not a reason

[wild whale]

definitely is

[frosty trellis]

Not a valid reason

[arctic robin]

yea i think its fine

[frosty trellis]

In fact, it's a don't on the doc

That as well

[wild whale]

exactly

[tranquil geyser]

because everyone likes fishing

that is a purpose to fish

more efficiently

[wild whale]

but fishing

[small timber]

devourer of cods is more than enough to fish up literally anything you want

you dont need more than 10 rods

[wild whale]

but what if like 20000 rods

and crashing my game

that would be funny

[small timber]

you dont need to be more efficient, there is nothing that you need better fishing rod on

to be a very efficient fishing rod at getting materials?

the point is that devourer of cods currently EXIST

while aurid fishing rod currently DOESNT EXIST

[wild whale]

if that was the purpose why cant it be earlier game because potions are useful early game too

[small timber]

the devs can add whatever they want, whether it be a 20 rod fishing rod or a 20000 rod fishing rod

but for suggestion you need a good reason to add something

currently you dont need better than a 10 rod fishing rod, since 10 is already overkill

[wild whale]

its a fishing rod

[tranquil geyser]

it fishes

its not that complicated

[arctic robin]

please dont say that ive had trauma as a child

i was playing doki doki literature club and my dad shut down my pc

and it has haunted me ever since

[short walrus]

What a wonderful day in suggestion discussion

[tranquil geyser]

fishing is very cool that is all anyone needs to know to add this

[wild whale]

same

[short walrus]

Anyway uhh the frost armour suggestion is very cool

[wild whale]

fishing

[half sage]

then learn to code and make a calamity fishing addon

[wild whale]

i already did it what now

[frail mantle]

shrug

[arctic robin]

how do i add a mod into calamity mod file

[frail mantle]

suggestion isn't gonna be unexclaimed unless you add reasoning beyond "it'd be funny"

if you don't want to, your choice

[arctic robin]

how i do

[tranquil geyser]

it would fish

[arctic robin]

is there a spanish channel?

[wild whale]

its for fishing

[frail mantle]

there isn't

[arctic robin]

dont u see that kind of in a racist manor?

[frail mantle]

we generally only allow english discussions in the server because it gets harder to moderate conversations when not all of the mods understand all other languages

[frail mantle]

quite honestly, no

[arctic robin]

oh alright i see

i understand

[frail mantle]

thanks for understanding

[arctic robin]

np ❤️

[arctic robin]

do u think i can get hired and paid 4 cents an hour for making and moderating a Spanish channel

[tranquil geyser]

nah

[arctic robin]

there is other languages?

[frail mantle]

for one this isn't a job, we don't get paid

[arctic robin]

oh alright

ill do it for free then

[wild whale]

я не говорю по-английски

[arctic robin]

i also speak french so we can have a french and spanish channel

[frail mantle]

for another it'd be problematic to moderate the channel whenever you or any other mod that might speak spanish is asleep

[arctic robin]

i dont splee

sleep

[frail mantle]

sounds unhealthy, you should consider getting some rest

[arctic robin]

im duolingoing american so we can maybe add a spanish american and french channel

[tranquil geyser]

fishing is the best activity in terraria objectively

[wild whale]

based

[tranquil geyser]

fax

on josh

[ruby plover]

what on earth has happened here

where did the brain cells go

[frail mantle]

i don't know

either way this convo isn't suggestions related anymore

shuffle over to gen talk or something

[tranquil geyser]

yes it is we request fishing rods

[wild whale]

we want fishing

[frail mantle]

give an actual reason to add them and i'll let it pass

[wild whale]

fish

[frail mantle]

there are already multiple fishing rods in the mod

[wild whale]

i like easting fish

[frail mantle]

[wild whale]

tasty food

[frail mantle]

_ _

[tranquil geyser]

they would severely enhance the process of fishing and excitement in the game

[wild whale]

^^^^

[frail mantle]

@arctic robin there is one more boss planned after SCal and the Exos

(the final boss)

boss suggestions are also not allowed

[ruby plover]

suggestions are good today

[wild whale]

is it the imposter from among us

[ruby plover]

nevermind

[arctic robin]

oh sorry

[tranquil geyser]

is it the police

[wild whale]

^^^^^^

[frail mantle]

if you want to suggest something make sure to read through the document at the top of #suggestions-posting to see what you can or can't suggest

i personally think you aren't funny

[tranquil geyser]

I cant read

and no u

[frail mantle]

you problem

[wild whale]

but the funny

[frail mantle]

don't care

be funny somewhere else

[tranquil geyser]

he admits were funny

[wild whale]

true

[frail mantle]

you aren't

[tranquil geyser]

cap

[wild whale]

🧢

[frail mantle]

but i'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you can be

[tranquil geyser]

you said so

[blazing kettle]

"make a harder boss" where the setup? where the punchline? what is the context? what is your audience?

[wild whale]

^^^^^^

[arctic robin]

guys uhm can we keep the discussion based suggestions please

[frail mantle]

make your own mod then

[wild whale]

my mod already does that

[frail mantle]

now go somewhere else if you want to continue this conversation

i don't feel like asking again

[tranquil geyser]

why you have to be mad?

[frail mantle]

you vastly overestimate how much this conversation angers me

[wild whale]

Д look at this cool crab looking letter

[tranquil geyser]

our completely great suggestions to better the game

[frail mantle]

don't care

i'm giving you all one chance to move the convo before i start revoking image perms

[wild whale]

wait there image perms

[wild whale]

yo did you see the crab

[arctic robin]

teenage mutant ninja tutles x quagmire

[frail mantle]

@tranquil geyser no

[tranquil geyser]

why not

[hollow shell]

Oh cool so you're friends, then

[frail mantle]

i shouldn't need to explain why at this point

[tranquil geyser]

give one reason

[wild whale]

give a reason

[tranquil geyser]

I like dark souls

[small timber]

there is an entire document stating what are allowed to be suggested and what are not https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit

[wild whale]

elden ring best game

[frail mantle]

because it would be a major mechanic that would require massive amount of balancing and likely overhauling bosses to not be broken

(too high effort)

[wild whale]

so it would be cool

[frail mantle]

• no reasoning

[wild whale]

and unique

[arctic robin]

im illiterate

[ruby plover]

the document is our god
praise be upon our lord and saviour, Suggestion "Don't"s

[tranquil geyser]

shield of cthulu exists and basically does the same thing

[blazing kettle]

overhaul already adds one if you really want a roll that badly

[frail mantle]

shield of cthulhu is already kind of a problem child

[tranquil geyser]

dashes and gives i frames

[wild whale]

so remove it

[frail mantle]

no

we can't and won't remove vanilla items

[blazing kettle]

overhaul doesn't mesh well with other mods at all though

[ruby plover]

how much shall i say without exploding with primal rage challenge

[tranquil geyser]

then dont complain

[hollow shell]

@wild whale @arctic robin @tranquil geyser I am Warning all three of you. Do not write joke suggestions and do not constantly meme around in these channels. These channels are intended for legitimate attempts at improving the mod.

[small timber]

(and yes there is 1 in the document that do apply to "why adding dark souls roll is not allowed")

[ruby plover]

im literally just trying to think of a suggestion just to move on from this convo lol

[crude geode]

inb4 not a joke excuse

Discuss something already there

Like frost armor

[frail mantle]

(i wouldn't say jesus was memeing but the other ones i agree)

[ruby plover]

ah true

HEH oh my god i love the frost wings set "bonus"

[crude geode]

Frost armor and Forbidden Armor definitely feel left behind in cal tbh tbh

[ruby plover]

forbidden armour is just inherently bad, because of summoner crossclass being weaker

[hollow shell]

(he was.)

[small timber]

forbidden armor at the very least have the circlet I think

[crude geode]

even tho we have the rogue circlet cuz of crabbar

[arctic robin]

im just some spanish foreigner who is very confused on wats going on

[crude geode]

Does it not remove the cal Nerf

[frail mantle]

you have a point

[small timber]

which is slightly more interesting, than.. the... vanilla forbidden armor

[ruby plover]

wait, does it?

if so, thats new
surely

[small timber]

circlet and vanilla forbidden armor have a different set bonus iirc

[frail mantle]

pretty sure the circlet at least tones down the summon penalty

[ruby plover]

i am fairly certain forbidden armour lowers the summoner damage nerf in Emode

[wild whale]

Д

[small timber]

I originally wanted to include both in the suggestion but realised forbidden (circlet) should be fine, just abit weird to use

maybe need number tweak but not a rework kind of change

[ruby plover]

nothing on the wiki hints at the set nerfing the nerf

the summoner crossclass nerf, i mean

(on the page of circlet)

[crude geode]

Rogue just adds more to the original tbh

[small timber]

top is vanilla, bottom is circlet (calamity)

[frail mantle]

@arctic robin add more reasoning

[crude geode]

The original is fine, tis the underutilized signature minion in armor

[arctic robin]

ok hold on

[hollow shell]

You need to format your suggestion properly

[crude geode]

doesn’t interact with mana but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow shell]

Use Shift+Enter to create a line break

[frail mantle]

(also i think the way the slime mount is coded makes changing its speed really janky)

[ruby plover]

suggestion name

suggestion reasoning

[blazing kettle]

which slime mount?

[wild whale]

all of them

[arctic robin]

all of thjem

[crude geode]

If this is talking about horizontal speed this is an intentional change

[arctic robin]

me

[blazing kettle]

arent the gimkick of slime mounts meant to be fast vertically but slow horizontally

[small timber]

(it do be weird that it only has 40 max stealth which is lower than the first rogue armor you can get, so this is forced spam rogue)

[ruby plover]

the horizontal speed just let the QS mount be used for literally everything

replacing all mobility, besides a dash

[small timber]

ya the nerf is intentional

[hollow shell]

☝️

Slime mounts are already incredibly valuable for their fastfalls

[crude geode]

.

[blazing kettle]

isnt the jellybean also slightly faster horizontally too

[noble aurora]

Pogo stick better

[ruby plover]

i mean, unironically, kinda

[hollow shell]

@arctic robin Are you going to add real reasoning to your suggestion or should I just delete it

[small timber]

I also just realised forbidden circlet dont have titanium recipe, only adamantite, maybe donor reason I think?

[arctic robin]

please explain i dont english that well

[ruby plover]

you can do some pretty wacky stuff with pogo

[crude geode]

Funny

[hollow shell]

And muted

[blazing kettle]

just one of those nights huh

[ruby plover]

it seems to be so

but w/e

[crude geode]

I just realized forbidden circlet uses the higher of your two stat boosts

Sounds. lazy.

[small timber]

it can be either interesting or like, make the armor completely useless

[ruby plover]

i imagine it using the highest of the two stats was crab's intention for it

[small timber]

summoner tend to have higher purely damage increase but it is mostly from armor (which the armor dont provide much), while the armor just didnt give rogue damage and also no "less summoner multiclass nerf" effect

[ruby plover]

so maybe we gotta think of a better bonus

[small timber]

the idea can work just ya it might need number tweak

[blazing kettle]

i have never heard anybody use forbidden armor outside of maybe vanity

[ruby plover]

it just hardly works as either summoner or rogue armour

and its horrible as both

does the armour even boost rogue damage?

[small timber]

no

[ruby plover]

its just a velocity boost, and +40 stealth, huh

[crude geode]

It’s weird

It feels a lot more complex than it has any right to be

but then again

Rogue

[small timber]

ok this might be interesting

[ruby plover]

i think it's in a great place
like
at the moment, its just titan heart until umbraphile

[small timber]

I forgot stealth boost your rogue damage directly

[ruby plover]

it just has to be.... worth acquiring

[small timber]

so you might be able to get some crazy summoner damage from this, let me see if it works

ok it doesnt work

[ruby plover]

honestly, i think the armour for both helmets needs to be buffed/rebalanced/reworked

[small timber]

mfw

[crude geode]

Wait what

[ruby plover]

its just so
underwhelming with the crossclass jank

[small timber]

uhh

I think the armor straight up juts doesnt work properly?

[crude geode]

God

[ruby plover]

what

[crude geode]

I tried out forbidden armor in 1.4.4 and it actually turned out pretty fun

Getting to have both summons and mage weapons is kinda neat

[ruby plover]

did they buff it, or is it just good with vanilla?

[crude geode]

They gave it 20% damage in 1.4.4

[small timber]

for reference, yes at the end I put on summoner emblem (along with other rogue stuffs) and damage increased immediately

[ruby plover]

oh, nice

honestly, the set bonus of the tornados is pretty neat
though it would be good if it could be cast onto platforms...? either that, or buffed in damage so that you have to manipulate the bosses movement

[crude geode]

Even outside of the damage it is fun getting to mix the two together, considering the passive damage mage gets in it’s kit (clinger staff for free cursed flames during fights is kinda funny)

It can be cast on platforms

[ruby plover]

oh it can?

neato

[crude geode]

At least in 1.4.4

I have no clue if it can in JE

[ruby plover]

i havent used the set since early 1.4, so

[crude geode]

Understandable lol

Byeah that’s fun but then you get to OOA mixed and just. sentries aren’t as fun.

[ruby plover]

sentries when they are infinitely better when you dont use them as "sentries"

[crude geode]

Literally

[small timber]

most sentries also got gutted to be pure support

but ya I retested it again, forbidden circlet bonus straight up just doesn't work

[ruby plover]

astounding

[small timber]

namely the rogue/summoner scale off with the higher boost part

[crude geode]

should go in bugs

[small timber]

otherwise you might be able to scale rogue stealth boosted damage to become minion damage, and go from there

[crude geode]

but it would be funny to ping a tester

[ruby plover]

kinda makes it hard to test whether the armour is good then

even though im sure i know its not,,,.,

[small timber]

I will turn off all mods before submitting it as a bug

[hollow shell]

@willow tartan Don't.

Actually I'll full-warn for that, new join and was gross

[willow tartan]

you will be his next victim

[hollow shell]

I'm more surprised that you actually bothered to verify your phone number to do this

[keen zodiac]

what'd chessewater do

[hollow shell]

joke sugg about duke fishron

[keen zodiac]

please don't elaborate

[hollow shell]

[spring sail]

Speaking of which, I don’t think these joke and meme suggestions have become any less since they requested the verification

[hollow shell]

byeah that was never the intent of verifying

It was to mitigate bot raids

Not that that actually helps much in most cases anyway, cuz scams are more likely to hijack existing valid accounts than to create new ones

[frail mantle]

it's probably fucked over a bunch of scam bots

just that we haven't seen them cause the verification worked

[hollow shell]

It could have, yeah

You don't see the damage that you prevent
or however the saying goes

[crude geode]

survivorship bias

[hollow shell]

uhh yeah I spose it's related to that

Yeah, actually, I can see that.

[short walrus]

@shrewd violet improper formatting, also ping a tester in here for balance (except don't because iirc this has been discussed heavily)

[crude geode]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

I am most likely sure that they know that zenith is a bit weak rn

[shrewd violet]

Sorry for that didn't notice it

well I think it may be buffed by allow Zenith takes benefit from attack speed or buff its base damage to around 300.

[short walrus]

what

incomprehensible

[swift wharf]

they'll prolly just increase the damage a bit

[short walrus]

that usually works

[small timber]

it is confirmed that zenith will not get a recipe change, in fact I think it is a suggestion don't now, let me see

but ya you dont have to change the recipe to buff the damage of the item itself

ya here

(and also the way you suggest it is more like a weapon balance suggestion, which is done through pinging testers now)

[tropic sleet]

It makes sense that changes to zenith would be met with resistance

[small timber]

oh it is already mentioned

[shrewd violet]

zenith is pretty clumsy without any benifit from attack speed (my own opinion)

[short walrus]

it is very, very hard to miss with zenith

literally point and click to kill everything

[small timber]

I think the original intention was zenith is meant to be left untouched, as in not even a single digit of its damage number is changed, and the only addition is 5 auric bar

[short walrus]

(it just doesn't kill things quite as well as it should)

[small timber]

but seeing the current situation it probably should be buffed slightly yeah, I think zenith being a bit weak was mentioned before too

[tropic sleet]

I think that the reason that zenith wasn't buffed at release, is because they didn't have the time really

[short walrus]

m, no

afaik it fit perfectly fine in auric tier so it went there

balance changes later made it slightly less effective, which is being adjusted now

[tropic sleet]

That's true

[shrewd violet]

well it becomes pretty hard when fighting yahron or any high-speed target

[distant gyro]

zenith has a strong niche that makes it exceptional for auric tier

[short walrus]

zenith isn't yharon tier though

why use it on him as a basis of measurement

[distant gyro]

both bosses after yharon lock to your screen

[small timber]

zenith was a whole minute behind killtime yeah

[swift wharf]

i hate shattering pots on god

[small timber]

shattering removal probably fuk over zenith yeah

losing that armor reduction and 16% damage basically

[swift wharf]

and other obscure weapons

[shrewd violet]

can't agree more lol

its also pretty uncomfortable though it doesn't get any benifits from attack speed

[tropic sleet]

Wait it doesn't?

That's whack

[small timber]

in vanilla it never did I think?

[tropic sleet]

I mean probably

Would be weird if calamity decided that attack speed buffs don't work on it

[cobalt pewter]

zenith should just be post game smh

then it'll end up in the same balance hell shadowspec weapons are

which no one has time to comb through

that'll stop people complaining bout zenith

[tropic sleet]

That could be the definition of running away from the problem instead of trying to fix it

[small timber]

zenith being post game will be most appropriate since it can be however powerful the community wants, best weapon in the game? sure why not

but ya it is too late now since it had been post-Yharon for I forgot how many months now

[lucid flare]

next update: auric bars removed from zenith recipe,is now crafted at a cosmic anvil

[small timber]

people will only complain that it is bad for yharon, since it is by design bad against yharon

[tropic sleet]

I personally think it's pretty cool that zenith actually has a spot in progression

But that's just my oppinion

[lucid flare]

[small timber]

let me see how the current zenith do against yharon now

[lucid flare]

weapons like zenith and phoenix flame barrage are only as good as the size of ýour screen

[tropic sleet]

Zoom out mod

[short walrus]

zenith has a max range (vanilla feature)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah zenith has a max range for a long while now

it's still big, but it can't be used through 3 screens now

[lucid flare]

wow now it's only 1.5 screns wide.

[short walrus]

cope i guess

[lucid flare]

me, who has never played melee:

[tropic sleet]

Same

[shrewd violet]

I think it benifits a bit since it's projectiles are more flexible influenced by attackspeed

[small timber]

surprisingly not garbage, but also not very good

considering how much I had to keep yharon on screen to get a 4:42, off screen more and it easily become a 5:30+
(they actually can tier shift it to post-DoG without problem, but ya the problem is whether they want to do it)

let me see DoG (ok it is a bit too strong on DoG but that one is obvious)

[shrewd violet]

well...how about terror blade?since it benifits from attackspeed

[inner anvil]

No, we don't want to.

The reason why it is weak right now it's because there used to be a formula that converted Melee Speed to Damage, and we recently removed that formula, which Zenith befenited from, so it just needs a buff.

And it's a reason why Melee is now very hard to balance, Melee Speed now it's something that actually exists.

We'll see how we deal with it eventually.

[eternal escarp]

i remember testing zenith on exo mechs before the formula and getting a decent time too iirc byeah

[inner anvil]

That formula has existed for a while if I recall.

And it's the only reason I can think of, because we literally did not do anything to it and it just suddenly became bad.

[unreal viper]

Interesting.

[drowsy plank]

at the rate we're going we're gonna get close to breaking the bag sugg record streak again

god

[short walrus]

whats current

[drowsy plank]

i think it's 8? but we're already at 4

and i think some were deleted by mods so i think we're actually at like 6

[short walrus]

does the one at the top count

[drowsy plank]

nah gotta be in a row, xpc broke the streak

[short walrus]

m

quick, duck, take the L for the greater good

[drowsy plank]

no u cant force it it's gotta be from authentic leafs

[short walrus]

arbitrary rules smh

[upbeat yacht]

i love typhon's greed, it's one of the most weapons in calamity mod

please rework
or delete

[drowsy plank]

better idea

just

buff the damage

[upbeat yacht]

no, like
you can barely hit plantera

[drowsy plank]

this is why weapon balancing suggs became a dont lmao

[upbeat yacht]

aside from true melee

[drowsy plank]

ok so use it on something else idk

[upbeat yacht]

sure

aureus

[cobalt pewter]

Asshole™

[magic verge]

im gonna get cooked

[cobalt pewter]

(confirmed by Fab it exists just to be an asshole)

[drowsy plank]

???
incredible

[inner anvil]

When?

[cobalt pewter]

(when he was drunk)

[cobalt pewter]

you probably are

[inner anvil]

Damn!

He's not reworking it again though.

[drowsy plank]

wait typhon's is post calclone why were you using it on plant

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not gonna comment on the stealth sugg because it's

the

sugg of all time

[cobalt pewter]

uh?

I'm fairly sure players typically use weapons post a boss on another of the same tier?

and those 2 are the same tier???

like exos and scal?

[inner anvil]

Yes.

Calamitas and Plantera are in the same tier.

Don't get gaslighted by Boss Checklist.

[eternal escarp]

the flow of tester wannabes™️

[cobalt pewter]

god

[inner anvil]

Tester Wannabes I swear to god.

[drowsy plank]

lol

[eternal escarp]

90% of them tell us things we already know!

🧩

[inner anvil]

99%!

[drowsy plank]

did you know copper shortsword isnt viable on exo mechs

[cobalt pewter]

byeah I think it's not likely for cal to straight up force stealth.

[inner anvil]

This is a real squid moment, Blast.
Wouldn't you agree?

[eternal escarp]

well with the size of the server yeah i suppose 99% could unironically be correct

[cobalt pewter]

you can build around it and play full stealth on your own, probably.

[eternal escarp]

this could very well be a squib moment

[cobalt pewter]

but they already started integrating hybrid rogue gameplay (with Raider's Talisman (and Nanotech by extension))

[drowsy plank]

shrimply use weapons that synergize well with stealth

they still exist lol

[magic verge]

they wont next update

👴

[drowsy plank]

what

what are you talking about

[eternal escarp]

i guess the joke is

he is certain his sugg will pass

[cobalt pewter]

my man I don't even have a significant stealth suggestion that passed (?)

[drowsy plank]

but that would be the opposite of what i said?? lmfao

[cobalt pewter]

the only time I got one through is thanks to "orang dalem"

(that's on my native language, have fun figuring that out)

[eternal escarp]

I Dont Know Then

[magic verge]

the joke is that the decision if a weapon is worth using stealth or not changes every update

[cobalt pewter]

that's just cal balance

[inner anvil]

Well, that's not the problem of Stealth lmao.

[eternal escarp]

thats just balance

period

[inner anvil]

That's just balance.

[small timber]

isnt stealth still like better than spam on most weapon?

[drowsy plank]

not really? this update has just been particularly weird bc it was the rogue rework lmfao

[grim tusk]

Rogue is being rebalanced

[grim tusk]

Yes

[magic verge]

thats just balance, and its even more unstable if you have a class that plays out differently with two different sets of accesories and two different mechanics

[inner anvil]

It's supposed to be, yes.

[grim tusk]

But spam still is worth using at times

[drowsy plank]

melee be like

[grim tusk]

Its not like melee, ranger and summoner also have diverse playstyles

[magic verge]

thats why they separated melee into two classes

[inner anvil]

The way we vision Stealth is an option you can use to get more damage than just spamming.

[eternal escarp]

(ranger?)

[small timber]

I mean regardless of whether the suggestion is true, I think it might be a don't just because of this alone?

[cobalt pewter]

hybrid, I feel, is rather workable but a good chunk weapons that excel in stealth wouldn't do that well on hybrid

[drowsy plank]

true melee bonuses really need to die

[upbeat yacht]

wow! it's still bad!

[cobalt pewter]

yea

[upbeat yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/827245807433416727.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[magic verge]

melee, ranger and summoner dont have two different mechanics and accesories. melee did, and got separated into its own class

[eternal escarp]

wow typhons greed is bad

shock of the century!

[grim tusk]

Stop gaslighting yourself

True melee is still part of melee

Its just a subclass

[cobalt pewter]

sudden urge to post that wikihow image

[grim tusk]

Summoner has sentries and whips

[upbeat yacht]

so can you do something with it?

[magic verge]

wdym its literally a different tmodloader class

[grim tusk]

Ranger got point blank

[eternal escarp]

i can

but i cant be bothered right now

[grim tusk]

Subclass

And so are whips

[hollow shell]

Sorry, Duck, what exactly are you suggesting?
I expected you to elaborate on your title but you never did

How do you define "stealth spam"?

[grim tusk]

And guess what, stealth now also uses its subclass from rogue

[eternal escarp]

storm i think he means the

[cobalt pewter]

make stealth only usable once every 56 minutes

[eternal escarp]

meleespeed and meleenospeed tmod """"classes""""

[cobalt pewter]

I meant 6

[magic verge]

using rogue without stealth, i thought "rogue spam" was an accepted term

[drowsy plank]

bows and rifles are different classes than ranger bc quiver and scope exist

[cobalt pewter]

but 56 minutes sounds incredibly funny

[eternal escarp]

ranger is the same class no matter how you look at it iirc tbh imo

[grim tusk]

You wrote stealth spam, and not rogue spam

[hollow shell]

re-read your sugg's title

[magic verge]

isnt it the same

[inner anvil]

No.

[small timber]

I mean, how many rogue weapon are deliberately balanced so that their spam are better than stealth?

[hollow shell]

No

[grim tusk]

No

[cobalt pewter]

not at all

[eternal escarp]

stealth spam is what you wrote

[inner anvil]

Stealth is an option.

Not a requirement.

[eternal escarp]

which is a contradictory word combination i think

[inner anvil]

^

[grim tusk]

Supposedly none, in reality theres a bunch and they’ll be hit when they get rebalanced

[magic verge]

well, its been edited

[hollow shell]

The two extremes are "stealth rogue" and "spam rogue"
So saying "remove stealth spam" is very confusing

Yes that's better thank you

[cobalt pewter]

byeah this is big enough to get bonked I think

removing half a class is

ye

[hollow shell]

And thusly yeah this is a pretty extreme suggestion, not sure if it should be considered valid or not
Affecting the core mechanic of a class throughout the whole game

[small timber]

this is just my opinion, but I feel like Rogue spam is the equivalent of "using wooden arrow on every bow" because you have unlimited quiver, it is less effective but it can be functional (ignore wooden arrow convert weapon here)

meanwhile stealth is using the best arrow with the bow on tier, it is more effective and of course you get better result

the suggestion to me feels like "if player use wooden arrow on bow they should deal 1 damage as they shouldn't be functional"

[hollow shell]

Very similar to the example on the Don't

[grim tusk]

I’d say is invalid since its similar to the dont

[eternal escarp]

using heavenly gale left click instead of utilizing right click
other weapons that have deeper mechanics that can be used for greater benefit

byeah regardless of it being invalid or not

The year is 2023, in an attempt to turn rogue into a separate class from a reskin of throwing, calamity has decided to make rogue weapons only be used once the stealth gauge is full (or partially full).
this statement is unneccessary

[grim tusk]

And it will very likely not pass

[cobalt pewter]

it's just a lost cause offa sugg

I should try suggesting changes to vamp talisman and rogue emblem later-ish

[grim tusk]

Also

rogue balance revolves around stealth again…
It already does

You check the weapon is fine on spam, then make sure its fine on stealth, then test with a bunch of accessories to see if it still good

Using stealth on a pt is optional

[cobalt pewter]

also TIL Empyrean armor gives healing somehow?

I should check that armor again

[grim tusk]

Empyrean is a mess

[hollow shell]

empyrean armor sucks
conceptually

[cobalt pewter]

indeed

though I don't think suggs to rework it got anywhere

[distant gyro]

very certified projectile armor

but also like

armors

when any armor is not named wulfrum

[small timber]

omega blue for me is interesting in concept for how it function, basically the most extreme of high risk high reward armor

[crude geode]

How is this not exclaimed

[crude geode]

true!

[lucid flare]

kid named summoner

[crude geode]

fuck ping sorry

[hollow shell]

(was waiting for Duck to at least respond to the claims of it being invalid but it seems like he bailed)

[small timber]

and then this happens

[crude geode]

fucking hilarious

armor set bonus actually mattering lmao

[lucid flare]

i think it ended up mattering too much

[small timber]

or a 30-50hp heal per ram

[grim tusk]

Nohitters have known this since 2 years ago

[lucid flare]

omega blue the fabled glass cannon armor

[small timber]

I knew it was good at boosting damage, but I didn't know it is 40% HP kind of good just from tentacles alone

[grim tusk]

Worm moment

[hollow shell]

Turn Omega Blue into a Wulfrum Armor
Abyssal Madness replaces your current weapon, cannot swap off until deactivated

[small timber]

tbh it will be kinda based ngl

[crude geode]

I love when armor just becomes another weapon

[hollow shell]

[magic verge]

you communicated to me the suggestion is invalid, and according to that document, it is

not many ways to spin it if its invalid from the start

[cobalt pewter]

this, but the tentacles also target the cursor instead of enemies

realer

[lucid flare]

simply do not make invalid suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

byeah I think I'll hold off on suggesting something a bit broad until later

meaning to sugg to reduce rogue's dumbass survivability

tarragon rogue armor :inde

[small timber]

rogue still randomly get more iframe and more movement speed from random stuffs

[lucid flare]

vampiric talisman with pre-nerf dark god's sheath+

[hollow shell]

Aight fair enough

[grim tusk]

Vampiric talisman with post-buffs Glove of precision

[crude geode]

final dawn was a mistake

[cobalt pewter]

crit is still pretty plentiful now that Raider's Talisman exists

and Lucky reforges are a thing

and Glove of Precision

[small timber]

glove of precision feels really good now that dgs is no longer guaranteed crit yeah

[cobalt pewter]

+12% at peak for the first

+4% each for the second

+15% for the last

[lucid flare]

[grim tusk]

(And after being buffed twice in a row)

[lucid flare]

lifestreal is back on the taáble babye

[cobalt pewter]

that's already +43% with 4 lucky accs

of course raider's crit decays

[small timber]

(also may I ask why many rogue armor just have +5% movement speed on their helmet)

[cobalt pewter]

but its peak is +12%

[small timber]

from what I notice all the auric set (tarragon, bloodflare, god slayer) all have that

empyrean have it too

it is not like a big deal but it do feel abit random

[crude geode]

It seems entirely random

[lucid flare]

idk maybe its like an rpg thing where the rogue class goes fast vroom vroom

[chrome wyvern]

snitches get stitches >:(

[cobalt pewter]

wtf amogus

[chrome wyvern]

but yeah abyssal madness is insane, it also melts OD during exhausted phase

[cobalt pewter]

Vampiric Talisman is also kinda blergh yeah

[grim tusk]

And it gives you a dmg mult to melt even harder

[cobalt pewter]

no one seems to know the trump card for rogue survivability on phm tho

hopefully that's fixed before anyone knows

[lucid flare]

who would win, vamp talisman or mana polariser

[grim tusk]

Multi hit stealths + Bloostained glove

[grim tusk]

Vamp talisman since it has actual range and better dmg boost

[cobalt pewter]

oh YEAH THAT THING WAS BUFFED

but that wasn't what I was referencing

[grim tusk]

Darn

[cobalt pewter]

but that answer is entirely fair

shade I personally reported it to you

and it was passed up as a bug

[small timber]

rogue just have a bunch of regen (lifesteal), iframe and a dodge yeah

[grim tusk]

Which one? I cannot find it

[grim tusk]

2 dodges, spectral veil

[cobalt pewter]

lemme check if it's already fixed

[small timber]

oh right spectral veil, I always thought it was already nerfed for some reason

and a hallowed holy protection on tarragon (auric), for some reason

[grim tusk]

Spectral veil is fine

Tarra setbonus needs to be gon

[cobalt pewter]

@grim tusk

[grim tusk]

Oh that shit

I forgor

[crude geode]

God

[grim tusk]

I’ll put it up on dev (this time where its supposed to be) when i can

[cobalt pewter]

alrighty

[small timber]

oh no

hide it before gitgud make a video on it

[cobalt pewter]

that is why I sealed the knowledge for a bit

[grim tusk]

Rogue while its being rebalanced is the “perfectly balanced” gold mine

[cobalt pewter]

it was exclusively a nohit knowledge until just now (as in relatively public)

[crude geode]

truly

[cobalt pewter]

so true

[crude geode]

gitgud should just go to nohit lounge to get video ideas

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

I meaaaaaan

[grim tusk]

Gitgud and nohitters do not have any problems that I know off

Heck some get along well

[cobalt pewter]

yeah they're pretty chill all things considered

it just depends on whether gitgud actually wants to nohit

[unreal viper]

True!

[swift wharf]

can I just say that

making so rogue weapons only work when stealth is full would pretty much just make them slow spam weapons

[ashen warren]

well maybe in that case stealth could be made a little more challenging to obtain/maintain

[cobalt pewter]

probably get rid of the lower stealth req effect first...?

they already toned it down on pre cultist

but it's still kinda there for the rest of the mod

[swift wharf]

(what is lower stealth requirement)

[cobalt pewter]

coin of deceit line

[ashen warren]

was abt to say yeah

[swift wharf]

a i see

[cobalt pewter]

coin allows stealth strikes at 85% stealth

ruin medallion, its upgrade, allows ss at 75%

and dark god's sheath + eclipse mirror stay at 50%

[ashen warren]

one idea I had which might be (definitely is) insufferable would be having the player lose a bit of stealth upon getting hit

[cobalt pewter]

I have some ideas

but that'll wait until a bit later

okay so some of the ideas:

1. this is @small timber's idea originally I think, but these accs could still allow ss at lower stealth, but it cosumes the entire stealth bar regardless of how much is left. This would primarily matter with Dark God's Sheath and Eclipse Mirror as it means that they can no longer throw 2 stealth strikes in quick succession, but instead must be faced with a choice of whether to use ss earlier or risk a longer charge for higher dmg

2. This is sorta my botched idea I thought on the spot, but stealth strikes only apply at full stealth, but the damage apply regardless of how much % of stealth you used.

this would be a slightly less significant nerf to the two accs I mentioned earlier because instead of throwing ss earlier, the player is encouraged to still charge stealth to full for the stealth strike effect of the weapons

either way, these would limit the amount of stealth strike spams later in the game

and since most of these split

it'd also reduce the amount of split projectiles rogue weapons vomit per minute by a bit

[crude geode]

2nd idea sounds really. bad

like woo 40% damage on a single exe blade

But maybe I don’t get rogue balance

[cobalt pewter]

I did say it was a very on-the-spot idea

haven't got around to polish it yet

[small timber]

I dont know if my interpretation is correct, but isnt this just basically if you dont have coin of deceit line equipped?

since if I remember correctly your first hit (no matter if stealth strike or not) still benefit from stealth % anyway

so with this you basically just dont have coin of deceit equipped, and thats it

[cobalt pewter]

hmm

actually yeah I am kinda dum

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-gif-23998985

11pm brain

[crude geode]

lmao

What’s the point of this convo?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

uhh

idk stealth funny

[crude geode]

Balance nerds hating coin of deceit and upgrades?

[cobalt pewter]

might sugg something about things rogue thingys

[hollow shell]

I thought that whole thing about faster stealth gains resulting in lower damage
was meant to mitigate the issue of too frequent stealth strikes

Even though you can make them much quicker to get, you're incentivized to intentionally let it be slow

Or at least, one is not better than the other

[small timber]

I heard people said having stealth reforge (the 8% stealth gen) end up lowering your damage yeah

you want some so that you can consistently stealth strike but not really more than that

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that is the intention

I remember the formula way too well

hmm

[crude geode]

I bring this up again

What’s the problem you’re trying to solve?

[frosty trellis]

@bright crag Eidolon Staff is...

[arctic terrace]

Rare Mage Moment

[frosty trellis]

Eidolon Staff is a mage weapon...

[bright crag]

Eidolon Staff is mage

[frosty trellis]

It also causes mild amounts of lag

But I mean

[arctic terrace]

Oh

[frosty trellis]

That thing is comparable to fucking vipor rn

Which is 2:52

[arctic terrace]

I now feel very stupid

[frosty trellis]

It's this thing

[arctic terrace]

Ohhhhhh, i remember using that at some point
Didnt feel too impressive but that was in, like, December

[frosty trellis]

Another test just got lag'd out of being able to heal

[hollow shell]

Does this weapon still do the infinite ice ball duplication thing

[grim tusk]

Iirc no

[hollow shell]

What's laggy about it if not

[grim tusk]

Still kinda duplicates itself but not as bad as it used to be last time i checked it

[frosty trellis]

It does still get a lot of ice balls and because DoG has 100+ segments and this thing fires like 4 balls a second and all of them split it causes lag

Turning down all my settings and enabling slowdown stats on nycros to hopefully get a better ideal of how this workds

[bright crag]

^

[crude geode]

Can we make it so eidolon staff has like. ares’ exoskeleton properties

You choose which spells you mix together and whatnot

[frosty trellis]

I hate DoG just randomly not having good AI sometimes

Minimum settings and I was feeling way more lag than that

@hollow shell You want me to record me using Eidolon Staff to show how the lag really is? Bc Nycro's isn't showing it

[hollow shell]

Sure

I'm mostly just curious, but I know this weapon has been a complete meme joke for a long time

[frosty trellis]

It's broken rn