suggestions-discussion

[worthy lintel]

vanilla moment

[drowsy plank]

yeah i could remove the stacking mention entirely, it isn't really all that important, it was just a theoretical solution i imagine someone could bring up

[crude geode]

wait is the sugg asking for removal of avenger emblems

[drowsy plank]

regardless emblem stacking isnt the intended way to play so

no just change it

[worthy lintel]

even nohitters dont use it to stack

[drowsy plank]

so it's less

awful

[worthy lintel]

its just that bad

[drowsy plank]

lmaooooo

[worthy lintel]

implementing a multiclass item in a game that heavily encourages specializing

smart idea ngl

[drowsy plank]

true!!!

[crude geode]

vanilla doesn't encourage it NEARLY as much as cal does

[worthy lintel]

summoner nerf:

😭

[crude geode]

avenger emblems are pretty wack, even in vanilla tho

mainly with the implementation of shimmer removing the rng of getting your preferred class emblem

[drowsy plank]

at least in vanilla it has a bit of a purpose for stacking since you don't have just
objectively better options like in cal

you do still have better options but at least there's hesitation before you just use them instead

it's weird because destroyer emblem is great but avenger is just

awful

so awful

[swift wharf]

I had to !wiki avenger emblem while reading the suggestion 💀

[frosty trellis]

@last maple Whips won't be added into calamity for a long time because summoner is unbalanced as is. Summoner needs to be balanced around the existing whips first before new ones can be added

[last maple]

dammit

[drowsy plank]

also future content sugg lol

[hollow shell]

I think this is a valid suggestion

yeah

Just needs proper formatting

@frosty matrix Your suggestion needs to be formatted properly
Title (main idea) must be at the top on a separate line (Shift+Enter), with reasoning / elaboration below

Like uhhh like you did on your biome solutions suggestion, lol

(that one was invalid for a different reason. The formatting was totally fine)

[frosty matrix]

ill fix it now!

fixed

[hollow shell]

There we go thank you
That 🗜️ reaction should disappear soon

[half sage]

shouldn't cosmic shiv be omitted because donor item?

[hollow shell]

Is Yata still around

Kinda.

@queen delta Hello there is a suggestion in #suggestions-posting that pertains to Cosmic Shiv. Do they have your permission to change it, or should it be omitted

[cobalt pewter]

I think mech glove being an instant upgrade could

could be changed

though it's a bit hard to move the glove itself

maybe Avenger can just be post 2-mechs?

[queen delta]

Cosmic shiv was made by dominic way back when he was still new to terraria programming, so it's admittedly a bit of a mess. I'm fine with any changes the community likes, but if it's in a very awkward spot, omitting it is fine as well

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[queen delta]

looks like you became mod tho, nice

[hollow shell]

(been this way for quite a while byeah it's more convenient than having special perms in mod-corner just cuz I became the go-to sugg person)

[queen delta]

yeah but now you're actually obligated to do mod duties

[hollow shell]

Indeed but that is fine

I still have all public channels muted except suggs and wiki anyway

[queen delta]

that's always been the way to go

[frosty matrix]

thank you for your blessing 🙏

[frosty trellis]

Yoo cosmic shiv could get the starlight feature? That would be sick!

It's projectile effect needs a change bc Yharon changed so it's no longer good but yeah

[drowsy plank]

tbf making aveng post-2 mechs still just makes it a worse brain

[cobalt pewter]

guh

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Amal brain is just rly freakin good

[radiant meadow]

armor penetration 🫠

[frosty trellis]

Sees the armor pen suggestion

[hollow shell]

hmmmm

[fathom aspen]

idk if anything similar has been discussed before

just a thought

[swift wharf]

what is wrong with ap

[drowsy plank]

armor penetration
🤮

[frosty trellis]

You would be surprised at how fucked it can be

It's disproportionate at best

[swift wharf]

surely it can't be that bad

surely

[frosty trellis]

There's a reason RTN isn't 30 AP anymore

[drowsy plank]

[lucid flare]

wasn't it 120

[frosty trellis]

It was 100 before the draedon update

[swift wharf]

yea

it was

[fathom aspen]

[frosty trellis]

Then it was 30

Then nerfed to 15

[swift wharf]

when 5mil hp boss

or smth

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[lucid flare]

yharon with da 4 million health

[frosty trellis]

Where everything needed 300 base damage minimum

[fathom aspen]

100 before the stat bloat reduce

[swift wharf]

surely it is not that bad

[frosty trellis]

Armor pen can do stupid things

[lucid flare]

like making belladonna viable

[frosty trellis]

7-8 dmg per hit when you have weapons like SDFMG or other shit that fires really quickly ADDS UP VERY FAST

[swift wharf]

pre-fixed summoner armor pen

[frosty trellis]

Not to mention the same accessory gives emblem damage

So you get crazy damage from it

[lucid flare]

belladonna vs belladonna + sharktooth necklace

[frosty trellis]

Belladona + STN can carry you until Herring

And that's not a joke

[lucid flare]

i know

[frosty trellis]

I speak from experience

[fathom aspen]

I still can't get more than 1 dmg as for Cosmic shiv's subsequent projectiles with that 15 armor pen

[lucid flare]

i also speak from experience because i like summoner

[frosty trellis]

Cosmic Shiv needs a rework overall

It's really bad

[lucid flare]

what's it do

[frosty trellis]

It needs a stupid buff and a rework

[fathom aspen]

Yes and ik pre-hm and hm ones are decently strong

[frosty trellis]

Shoots projectile
Projectile spawns more projectiles on hit to attack the enemy
Good for stationary targets
Yharon is immune to damage in his bhs so stationary punish sucks for him

[fathom aspen]

It's just that 15%+15 post-polter I felt a bit underwhelming, even with fast gun things

[frosty trellis]

SSTN isn't worth the slot usually

I've debated just asking for that thing to get reworked a bit so it has less AP but better stats overall

So it's actually worthwhile

[lucid flare]

i imagined a rework idea in my head and it just ended up being the same thing as stream gouge

[frosty trellis]

Steam Gouge

Sucks ass

It's a glorified yoyo

Even after the buff it just recieved it's still not good

[lucid flare]

beta version of violence

[swift wharf]

dies of estato esticko

[lucid flare]

the what now

[frosty trellis]

Stat stick

I mean so is dest emblem soooooo

And no one complains about that thing being a stat stick

[swift wharf]

yeah but doesn't mean that we should make more

[lucid flare]

and what would that be,,,,,,,

[frosty trellis]

Well SSTN needs something unless it's more stupid than people let on and actually does something

[swift wharf]

uhhg remember old hote

[frosty trellis]

Hote still sucks

[swift wharf]

or current community

[frosty trellis]

Community at least provides lesser effects to debuffs ;-;

[swift wharf]

stat sticks are just plain buffs and nothing else

not necessarily bad but boring

but necessary to the game

[drowsy plank]

community is cool because wing times and reduced debuff damage

which gives it a pass

it is THE stat stick

that's its gimmick

[lucid flare]

it has all the stats

[swift wharf]

does it have increased projectile velocity hmmmm

[lucid flare]

um all of the useful ones, no fishing things here

[fathom aspen]

Community has wing time anyways

HoTE uh oh

[swift wharf]

hote was better

[lucid flare]

heart of the elements has women

if you're into that sort of thing

[swift wharf]

damn if only the elementals were useful

[drowsy plank]

wasnt there a sugg to improve HoTE

did that not pass

[swift wharf]

"a" suggestion

[drowsy plank]

god there were a lot of good suggs that just bombed for no reason

[swift wharf]

don't you mean like 20

[drowsy plank]

i dont remember

[fathom aspen]

Again imo if things go crazy with higher AP, then adjust these problematic weapons instead of keeping what AP items are like rn..or simply cut AP values and give them other useful stats can be another solution, mentioned that in the post

[lucid flare]

why don't we just buff the weapons instead oc centering them around the accessory

[fathom aspen]

bc accessories that affect the whole build exist?

[small timber]

Armor penetration scales with how much you hit the enemy, not damage number

For example with minishark you hit like 4 times per second, therefore 5 AP become 5x4 damage = 20

End game weapo can hit like, 30 times per second so 15 AP will be 450, and that is assuming it hit only 30 times

The tldr is rather than buffing AP just buff damage, since AP can randomly make some super multihit weapon be extremely overpowered

While damage increase generally is more stable

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

If I could play tMod at the moment I would go and use SDFMG rq and compare RTN to something like The Almalgam and show just how crazy it can be

[fathom aspen]

by damage number I meant most single hits endgame will be higher than 200, and 207 compared to 200 is an increase that is lower than 4%, no matter how many times it hit per second it's just that low

[small timber]

That is exactly why armor pen are kept low

Since if you increase ap to 30 then suddently it become 215 etc which is a much bigger degree of dps increase than damage increase

Because end game weapon are balanced around you having a very decent size of damage increase from armor, accessories, potions etc (probbaly like ~100% min) so a 15% on top of that will be like 7.5% dps increase so if AP is buffed (in this case even just doubled) RTN will suddenly be a double-emblem accessory

[fathom aspen]

I see

[small timber]

Unless RTN just provide no damage bonus otherwise just buff damage is easier to balance than AP

[fathom aspen]

tweaking dmg% is easier for balance purposes for sure

maybe I was just seeking some sort of damage accessory diversity idk

[small timber]

AP generally is still super useful in preHM and HM, especially on heavy multihit weapon likr blossom flux

On postML it is just another damage stat yeah, since rtn provide 15% damage already so AP must be kept low

[fathom aspen]

I meant the same, that 15%+15 is kinda clumsy, since adding more AP might result in op weapons
but keeping it as what it is now makes it outperformed by the others in some situations

[small timber]

I think it is possible to decrease damage but increase AP, but I think that is a problem no beta tester wants to deal with

[fathom aspen]

indeed

guys thanks a lot for the explanations anyways👍

[frosty matrix]

and since the Starlight has secret dev colors, we could let @queen delta decide what Cosmic Shiv's colors get to be

[hollow shell]

puh

[cobalt pewter]

guh

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

Starlight is a vanilla things

I doubt there is any reason to make a seemingly random calamity weapon to have that effect

Especially when it will be nowhere as fancy as starlight

[grim tusk]

Buffing RtN?
Thats a good one
that acc alone causes so many balance problems

[small timber]

The accessory where the effectiveness range from decreasing killtime by 1 second or by 2 minutes

[hollow shell]

(Cosmic Shiv is an upgrade of Starlight, through Elemental Shiv)

[grim tusk]

SOO TRUE

Actually all armor pen accs do that

[small timber]

Then elemental shiv will have to have dev colour too, which I think is like, a lot of work?

Or at least a bit excessive for a weapon that is nothing special in calamity

[frosty matrix]

The code is already in game

Plus, the effect will make it special

And actually remotely useable

[small timber]

Wait so the entire suggestion is just to make the shivs have fancy dev colour?

[frosty matrix]

No

[small timber]

I thought it is to give them true melee aspect similar to starlight

[frosty matrix]

that's the main part of the suggestion yea

[small timber]

Then the dev colour dont really have anything to do with it?

[frosty matrix]

its just that cosmic shiv is a donor item, and so its colors should also be picked by the donor

[small timber]

(oh god donor item)

[frosty matrix]

the donor has already given their blessings for it, so

[radiant meadow]

the chance of us adding special colors is.... very slim if not nonexistent

yharim's crystal having special dev colors is already a bit weird

[frosty matrix]

nono, what im saying is that starlight has its rainbow slash effect
yata should be the one who decides the colors for the effect on cosmic shiv

[small timber]

I mean, cosmic shiv will probably just be blue or purple? Or white

Otherwise it will be massively off-themed

[radiant meadow]

they'll just be purple and blue. it'll look off if it's not cosmilite themed. sorry yata but that's there's no decision making to be had here >:)

[frosty matrix]

sad!

although

that is cool

[cobalt pewter]

did yata even ask for that

[frosty matrix]

when i posted the suggestion yata was asked if changes were ok

[swift wharf]

[alpine dawn]

Calamity fans when one item has a fringe use (it's contributing to major content bloat and needs to be removed)

[hot zephyr]

TRUE

[frosty trellis]

Speaking of bloat

Kill half the melee/mage/ranger weapons from pre mech to post golem

[hot zephyr]

No

[swift wharf]

like which weapons exactly

[alpine dawn]

Yeah we should only keep the meta weapons everything else is bloat

If a weapon cant shred the following boss in under a minute then it's gotta go

[fervent orbit]

i doubt youve ever heard of bonebreaker

[alpine dawn]

You need it for scourge of the cosmos so

[fervent orbit]

ah yes the good scourge of the cosmos

[swift wharf]

bonebreaker is good

[cobalt pewter]

bonebreaker, rogue but not

[swift wharf]

or was good I haven't used it in a while though

[fervent orbit]

it is

[swift wharf]

good for calclone

javelins make me angry

[fervent orbit]

got a 1:39 on plant

[swift wharf]

are they rogue, ranged or melee

nobody knows

[cobalt pewter]

I think looking at the design flaws of this range of weapons would be better

[cobalt pewter]

in cal, it's rogue

[fervent orbit]

acts like rogue, made from ranger, does melee

[cobalt pewter]

daybreak crafts into Night's Gaze

[swift wharf]

donor weapon behaviour

[cobalt pewter]

Bonebreaker is the only exception to cal's javelin rules afaik

Night's Gaze isn't donor no?

at least that's what I remembered

[[Night's Gaze]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Night's_Gaze

[swift wharf]

i mean this

[fervent orbit]

no its not

bonebreaker isnt either

[cobalt pewter]

yep

Bonebreaker isn't donor either

it's just an old cal artefact

[swift wharf]

not a bad thing
just funny

[fervent orbit]

i tested all melee weapons on plant

[swift wharf]

like burning sky or tacticians'

[cobalt pewter]

but back to this, there are a ton of weapons that are fundamentally flawed and no one ever even heard of

[frosty trellis]

I mean there's A Bit Of Item Bloat rn
From post 1 mech to pre calclone/plant there is 36 melee weapons
From post plant/calclone to pre golem there are 31 melee weapons
Just to give some perspective at the ridiculousness of it

[cobalt pewter]

like tell me what Terror Talons is in 10 seconds

go

[fervent orbit]

<#calamity-mod-talk message>

[swift wharf]

rogue weapon

made with souls of friht

[frosty trellis]

Never heard of it

[cobalt pewter]

Time

yep

[swift wharf]

i did it

[fervent orbit]

prob post mechs

if you dont know it, guess post mechs

[swift wharf]

btw if you slander cursed capper I'll break your knees

[cobalt pewter]

no one fuckin knows beyond rogue weapon and soul of fright

and in fact it's post 3 mechs due to chlorophyte bars

it's just quirky to use souls of fright

[swift wharf]

i mean

terror

[frosty trellis]

And I bet the same would go to Typhoons Greed and Quagmire

[fervent orbit]

fright

[cobalt pewter]

stealth strike is ass, the helix pattern of the basic projectile oddly looks nice but they barely give off light and don't do anything

[fervent orbit]

ay dont shit on quagmire

for your info, it was the best yoyo on golem

[cobalt pewter]

a mix of nuking some weapons and reworking some others would be good

[fervent orbit]

granted it was done with no yoyo bag

but still

[frosty trellis]

Yes but until I looked it up for you to test stuff I didn't even know perernial had a yoyo

[cobalt pewter]

Terror Talons is beyond saving, no one has ever realistically used it ina pt anyways

[swift wharf]

most cal bars have a yoyo sooo

[frosty trellis]

I mean kill a bunch of stuff that is just boring or beyond saving and then there is less shit to balanced and then more effort can go reworking shit

[frosty trellis]

And there really don't need to be so many fucking yoyos

Especially when 90% of them suck

[swift wharf]

well you see

subclass ! !

[fervent orbit]

cryonic yoyo 💀

[swift wharf]

a hell naw

[fervent orbit]

i hate that thing

[swift wharf]

not the cryonic theming

[fervent orbit]

it just looks like its doing nothing

it does have an effect tho

[frosty trellis]

Forget shimmerspark
The obliterator

Is

So

So

So bad

[fervent orbit]

dog yoyo right?

[frosty trellis]

Ye

[fervent orbit]

ye its not good

[frosty trellis]

Like even back when I tested with spiteful and fabbys vodka it was still 8 minute yharon

[fervent orbit]

the microwave tho

9 minutes

[swift wharf]

anyways shimmerspark is cringe because of cryonic tbh

[frosty trellis]

There are some not cringe cryo stuff

Flarefrost blade my beloved ;-;

[fervent orbit]

its greatsword is based tho

[swift wharf]

but cyro has like

5 themes

[crude geode]

ye

[fervent orbit]

stars and ice

[swift wharf]

ice/crystal/night/star/light

[cobalt pewter]

true

[swift wharf]

then you add perma shop

[crude geode]

god I love extreme negativity

[fervent orbit]

star = light, star + ice = crystal, star + light = night

[hot zephyr]

removal doc 2 coming to a calamity mod near you
fandom in shambles

[crude geode]

TRUE

[cobalt pewter]

I know it probably comes off a bit extreme

[cobalt pewter]

so real 🫵

[hot zephyr]

the worst thing about terror talons is something you haven't even mentioned in the suggma

[fervent orbit]

u guys should read my documentation on melee on plant it took a while and aaaa its painful

[hot zephyr]

THE RECIPE

[cobalt pewter]

HRJDJDDKKDDKDKDKX

[fervent orbit]

feral claws lol

[cobalt pewter]

ahaaaaaaaaaa

[swift wharf]

it uses another item right

OH YEAH

[cobalt pewter]

yeap

i just remembered as well

[fervent orbit]

for like

no reason

[cobalt pewter]

fuck this lemme add that

[hot zephyr]

It's a glove

[swift wharf]

best weapon

[fervent orbit]

nono, its a spiky glove

[hot zephyr]

idk I like terror talon's theming but it should just use leather instead of beral blaws....

[fervent orbit]

tru

and maybe like make it avaible pre 3 mechs?

[ruby plover]

i think its good to have a chlorophyte rogue weapon

[cobalt pewter]

leather would be nice I think

[ruby plover]

but also.,.,,. mm
i have used terror talons before
.,,.,.bad

[hot zephyr]

especially since leather is used to make beral blaws....

speaking of bloat
make a suggma to rework bandit's function because she spits bland rogue weapons and money sometimes

[fervent orbit]

also, like none of the chloro weapons are changed im pretty sure

ik the melee ones arent

[cobalt pewter]

so true

but at least she has something

Permafrost on the other hand

[tardy smelt]

Unviable or also just boring to use

[fervent orbit]

even tho the hallow ones are praised

i mean

look at gungnir

can make plant go from 100 to 60 in seconds

[frosty trellis]

Venerated locket and the stealth breaking dragon scales in the corner

And Etherial Extorter

[tardy smelt]

There's the thing I mentioned the other day🥺

[cobalt pewter]

wha ting

[fervent orbit]

permafrost being useless?

[tardy smelt]

Rover seemed interested in it at least

[cobalt pewter]

oh yeah

mana upgrades

[fervent orbit]

if ammo box got changed to buff smthn else than ammo conservation, wat would it be?

[tardy smelt]

Removing max mana consumable items, making them acquired through permafrost as spells instead delicate flower style activation rituals go

[swift wharf]

like from hk?

[ruby plover]

both lol

but i think having a weapon that is both of those things in its place would be goood

[tardy smelt]

Of course it is :p

[swift wharf]

good question

[fervent orbit]

cuz the other vanilla classes pretty good stations but ranger....doesnt

and rogue doesnt have one at all

[cobalt pewter]

go from ocean to hell and back to surface then to sulfur sea

any hits, extreme velocity and teleportation breaks the flower

[swift wharf]

bullet velocity

[tardy smelt]

[swift wharf]

calming potion:

zen*

or like

tunnel

[tardy smelt]

I may wanna formulate the idea into a suggestion though, since the chances of Rover remembering the thing and actually bringing it up in dev casually like that are

Unknown and unreliable

[swift wharf]

and at that point your weapons will instakill the average enemy so is theee really a challenge

[fervent orbit]

theres no point not putting into suggestions

[tardy smelt]

Abyss:

[hybrid steeple]

zen potion + gradual descent hellevator + world tunnel

[swift wharf]

ok but

[fervent orbit]

and if the people vote on it, its more likely that it will be brought up

[swift wharf]

max mana

😴

[cobalt pewter]

shrimply

spawnrate lock and unkillable enemies while having the flower 🚎

[fervent orbit]

make mana pots % based so max mana is useful

actually wait

thats a good idea

fuck

[tardy smelt]

Either way, last time I brought up a fairly large scope sugg it kinda got implemented somewhat so it can't be that bad

[swift wharf]

at that point just NOU the player

👴

[tardy smelt]

(Sulphurous Sea worldgen tweaks/overhauls)

[fervent orbit]

i hate how this sounds good

[swift wharf]

arcane reforge becoming good when

[fervent orbit]

never

[swift wharf]

((literally never

[fervent orbit]

but how much would %based mana pots affect gameplay?

[swift wharf]

no idea

give mana pots a cooldown

[fervent orbit]

thats called mana sickness

[swift wharf]

except that you can still fire

[fervent orbit]

well ur just weak as fuck then

[swift wharf]

dps is dps

[small timber]

Make it so you refight permafrost 3 separate time after you defeat specific boss fpr mana upgrades

anubis from AA v2.0

[grim tusk]

Terror talons are the rogue chorophyte ore weapon, they are also old as fuck and have stood the passing of time very poorly

[drowsy plank]

i love seeing suggs to remove content

based calamity community

[hollow schooner]

hey are single asterisks enough to get the white bold text people have in their suggestion titles, or is there something else I need to do for that?

[short walrus]

double asterisks

like this

[hollow schooner]

alright thanks

[swift wharf]

*ecksdee*

[hollow schooner]

well I'm glad I checked the wiki first because the suggestion I had already existed, just not in the way I expected

[swift wharf]

what was it

[drowsy plank]

holy crap someone actually checked the wiki before making a suggestion

it's a christmas miracle

[swift wharf]

Rejoice

[short walrus]

holy shit real

[grave zinc]

@royal tapir - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[royal tapir]

Epic

[grave zinc]

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[Plaged “Bed” should be able to be slept in]

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[keen zodiac]

yeah i crafted and tested terror talons

did not use them on anything except the first time with the dummy

[small timber]

@frigid yew the suggestion itself have no problem, but I think you should separate them into 2 suggestions

since it is kinda about 2 different ideas:

1. you want better way to capture critters
2. you want universal pylon to be more accessible

thus if you make 2 suggestions it is better as people will get your idea better

@molten haven while the suggestion should be fine I think you should at least mention whips, either that they dont work (as you need to keep hitting thanatos for them to constantly retarget) or that whips are too short range to even hit thanatos at all

since currently whips kinda take over the summons targeting job, though ya they dont work fully on exo mechs; just you probably should mention it in your suggestion

[molten haven]

yeh thanks

done

[frigid yew]

i want the universal pylon to be more accessible. a better way to capture critters is just my idea for how. i'm trying to avoid what stackexchange calls "the xyz problem" where someone tries to achieve a goal x by doing y, and they focus on how they could do y instead of how they could achieve x. i care a lot more about the pylon than about the critter thing

if someone else agrees with you though i'll separate it

(re: xyz: i'm not actually sure what z is doing in that name)

[hollow shell]

@frigid yew I do think this suggestion is a bit of a mess
It would be better for you to commit to just one solution so that people can have an easier time voting on it

More importantly, you really should spell out why a critter collection pet and completing the bestiary are directly correlated
You never actually explain what the connection is and just leave it up to the reader to deduce it through implications

I assume the reasoning is that critter bestiary entries are harder to obtain than those of regular enemies

(from the looks of things, a way to automatically collect critters wouldn't even help you fill out the bestiary, cuz the entries fill out if you simply encounter them, not when you catch them)

(It'd be better to ask for some way to boost critter spawn rates, wouldn't it?)

[small timber]

(cosmetic suggestion but I already tried to get the reasoning as good as I can)

[short walrus]

i think "twin predators" would work better for the apollo and artemis

but i enjoy this

yes

[small timber]

I felt "twin predators" is not grammatically correct, but at the same time I am also not an English major so I am not sure

honestly I dont even think that is too out of the way too boost critter spawn, since currently you have to do it by making a town then throw a lot of spawnrate

[short walrus]

i meant more like

"artemis and apollo, twin predators hunting their prey with insurmountable precision and efficiency."

[small timber]

hmm

that is grammatically correct right? not sure why but it sounds a bit weird to me

Artemis and Apollo, a twin predators, hunting their prey with insurmountable precision and efficiency.
Artemis and Apollo, twin predators hunting their prey with insurmountable precision and efficiency.

(if someone can confirm which is grammatically correct it will be appreciated)

ok I will just paste this here for now

I will change it for now

since originally it was "a twinned predators"

yeah this probably sounds more correct

[short walrus]

way better

[small timber]

just to confirm it is the current version posted right? since I changed it at the same time you typed

yeah, it is probably more correct but abit ehh

from quick search it is grammatically correct though, I will just wait for better idea, since I am definitely not well familiar with grammatical things

I will just try to change it to be best sounding one (for me at least), for now

[swift wharf]

yeah it's called water candle

if you have the town peace config, items that boost spawn will boost critter spawnrate

nvm xpc mentioned it two messages below

[small timber]

@lyric path that is a vanilla thing so they probably will not be changing it, regardless of reason

main thing with god slayer/silva split was it is calamity thing so they can freely change it, chlorophyte/hallowed isn't

[lyric path]

Oh

Should I delete it then?

[small timber]

yeah, it is (unlikely) to happen, to say the least

and chlorophyte kinda get reworked in 1.4.4, not sure which version calamity will keep

but they will fill different role

[cobalt pewter]

balancing Hallowed and Chlorophyte to be equal should be an option though

[small timber]

I feel hallowed should just be straight up a dodge effect, like ninja gear, brain of confusion etc

[drowsy plank]

we're already getting cryo moved, i think once more of the cal sets migrate away from that point in progression the vanilla sets might be able to breathe a bit more

[small timber]

but because it is an armor set bonus it is allowed to be shorter CD

[cobalt pewter]

Vanilla considers so (by True NE and True Exc)

(technically True NE uses mech souls but hey, this is cal)

[small timber]

currently it basically is just "every 30 seconds if you get hit within the first 5 second you dodge a hit" which feels really shit, as if you didn't get hit during that specific 5 second you dont have a set bonus

[drowsy plank]

while the chloro rework 1.4.4 added is cool, the leaf sprite still looks. kinda shit. i like cal's pulses more. i suppose we'll have to wait and see

[cobalt pewter]

do they still use the leaf sprite even

or do you mean the sentry

I think when put side by side with similar overhead summons in vanilla it's a natural progression imo

from 1.4.4 chloro just beaming to rainbow crystal staff being a more area-based thing

though cal is different I guess?

[swift wharf]

the pulse is way more useful than the beam

[cobalt pewter]

true

[drowsy plank]

the overhead thingy. the floating crystal. they still use that and it's so ugly lmfao

[small timber]

yeah cal is just way more versatile

vanilla one is like, you deal damage, ya!

[cobalt pewter]

ahh, I was thinking of the right thing then

[drowsy plank]

it looks about as old as the armor sprites do lmaoooooo

[swift wharf]

keep both

[small timber]

they can, though it will be really weird

you basically have pulse + beam, for some reason

unless they make it like, the beam heal you occassionally

but ya, cal's pulse version is just straight up better since it has AOE

[drowsy plank]

i guess that could work, but yeah agree

if they really want to keep the crystal it could just become the active attacker, while the passive beams are replaced by the pulse

[swift wharf]

activated setbonus

[drowsy plank]

kinda like orichalc's set bonus, the beam is like a bonus projectile that sometimes fires

oh that could work too

[swift wharf]

and it would turn off the pulse but activate the beam

which would prolly need a buff

[small timber]

side note: hallowed armor also dont have cooldown icon for cooldown rack, for some reason

[small timber]

or the other way around, usual is beam, activate to become a pulse since pulse is stronger

and make the pulse a cooldown thing like omega blue

[swift wharf]

I feel like passive -> aggressive would be better

since pulse is more utility than dps

[drowsy plank]

true

pulse gets a RoF boost and fires like crazy for a short period

that would be pretty interesting

[swift wharf]

exactly

[stable kiln]

amazing suggestion

you can probably specify that you're looking for spanish gamers in your message too, thats probably a better option
also the suggestions are for the mod not for the discord

[small timber]

oh there is a new one

@edgy anvil abit late, but server suggestion is not done through here, you should DM the Calamity Mod Mail

additionally, to my knowledge non-English channel are not allowed for suggestion I think, main reason is moderation issue, since basically it will be impossible to moderate when not all moderators are well-versed in (in this case) Spanish, and they are not always online

non-English language channel used to exist but was removed exactly for that reason: it is hard to moderate

[inner anvil]

On my way to create the Spanish Calamity Server.

[frosty trellis]

Zamn

[inner anvil]

I could actually do it, but I'm too lazy.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I figured

[frigid yew]

alright, i've edited it with my reasoning, and condensed it down to the minion/pet suggestion specifically

[long ridge]

I found out that nanogun right click is a little strong on exos

[drowsy plank]

yeah mpg tested it a while back

[long ridge]

dammit

[drowsy plank]

lol

[frosty trellis]

It's very strong just hard to use on Yharon

But dear god that exo time

I need to see this for myself with a tester loadout

[small timber]

how to know if a weapon is strong: just quickly type "... nohit" and find the up to date one

(yes nanogun is used)

[frosty trellis]

I just want to see this for myself more than anything

Compare it to the already fucking obscene Tyrannys End

[small timber]

yeah I think it is basically chicken cannon but better iirc

[frosty trellis]

Tf

(Okay I'm using left click on exo twins I cannot hit them)

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[small timber]

ok right click is better on ares and twins, left click make thanatos disappear

ok for non-berzerk right click is still faster

[frosty trellis]

Right click can't hit exo twins 90% of the time so no
Left click used on Exo Twins and Thanatos in GDR
Right click otherwise

Jesus fuck

@drowsy plank

[drowsy plank]

exos are 6 minute KT right

[frosty trellis]

Yep

[drowsy plank]

god

the weapon ever

[small timber]

ok I need to record this

this weapon is so funny

[frosty trellis]

Yeah no kid

It's very fun to use

And ridiculously broken

[small timber]

this is the most brute force weapon imaginable right now

[drowsy plank]

adding anomaly to the scal/exos tier lol

only one tier up so it should be cool

[frosty trellis]

Funny thing is it's a nightmare to use on Yharon and you can just use Alluvion with the funni luminite arrows for 30 seconds faster from the r.click

Like, against Yharon it's fine

[drowsy plank]

oh hey is dank/blood clot still good btw

[frosty trellis]

Against Exos it's death

[frosty trellis]

Not a clue

I want to try this thing on SCal first though

[drowsy plank]

gl

[small timber]

ok 4:31, but I missed a lot and I think right click was worse for some phase

yeah left click is better for twins

[frosty trellis]

Brothers were slow and messed up sepulture 1

BUT THIS THING FKING THREE SHOTS THE SEEKERS

ALL OF THEM

IN THREE SHOTS

IF YOU GET THE CORRENT AIM WITH THE RIGHT CLICK

[lucid flare]

green scal arena

first time i've ever seen such a thing

[drowsy plank]

ough

very normal :)

[small timber]

I got a 4:19 but my setup was less offensive, so yeah it is at minimum a 4:00 weapon

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

It's fking obscene though

[frosty trellis]

It's made of chlorophyte
It matches my vanity and I think it looks neet

[lucid flare]

greenscreen battlefield

[small timber]

ok 3:52 even with my setup when using the right mode for each (right click ares, everything else left click)

[frosty trellis]

L.click for Thanatos? Zamn

Even berserk?

[small timber]

this weapon can be moved to auric tesla tier and it will fit, too strong even

[small timber]

I will try both, I thought on berzerk left click work better

[frosty trellis]

That is about the same in terms of offense - the crit

So yeah

You have 3% more damage, I have 10% more crit
So it's comparable

[frosty trellis]

I knew left click was better in p5
Berserk I was murdering Thanatos with r.clock

Not left for p5

Right

Me dumb

[frosty trellis]

@eternal escarp The Anomoly's Nanogun is a wee bit too strong for Exos

[eternal escarp]

noted

[small timber]

ok larger than 500mb fine

yeah this thing only weakness is twins, other 2 mechs basically get melted on nohit setup pace
(left and right perform equally well on berzerk thanatos, just depend on whether you lined up thanatos or it is clumping together)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I went left on Exo Twins and it did wonders

Use the right click for SCals seekers as well

It's stronger than Zenith with adren somehow

[tiny minnow]

#suggestions-posting message
Weird. Mine normally avoid Artemis and Apollo.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah same

[hollow shell]

You don't need to collect the critters. You just need to get near them.
As long as you get within about 20 tiles of the critter, it'll count to the bestiary entry
(I will be adding the exact values to the vanilla wiki in a bit, cuz they were missing before)

It shouldn't be hard to just fly randomly around in your zerg-NPC area and pass by all the critters around you
Tho it seems like you're looking for an AFK farm

I took the exclamation off the suggestion anyway so if you wanna leave it as-is then you can

[grim tusk]

We will not sleep on making it a place to dream.
The devs will take care of the rest

[lucid flare]

what's with the random italics

[marble moat]

don't make too many snap decisions here

[drowsy plank]

look at the suggestion they're replying to

[hollow shell]

@wind crystal Is it not the most obvious thing in the world

(also what is "the thing")

[wind crystal]

The lore item

[wind crystal]

I did not understand that

Now that you point it out I do tho lol

[hollow shell]

heh

[wind crystal]

Wait so if the mechanical bosses were first, is that on the lore?

[wind crystal]

Oof

Nvm then LOL

[lucid flare]

oh i see

the puns

i read the thing like 3 times and i only realized it now

[crude geode]

[bitter monolith]

What

[hollow shell]

banned

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I figured something was up with that

[lucid flare]

what

[half sage]

just some crypto scam

[lucid flare]

cringe

[cobalt pewter]

now that Cyborg and Power Cell Factories are mentioned in the same sentence, I kinda want cal to mess with Cyborg a bit so he's a bit more involved with Draedon's factory

[crude geode]

Blugh

“Add lame ways of obtaining power cell factories”

[hollow shell]

Add a Power Cell Factory Factory
Generates infinite Power Cell Factories

Turn into an idle game
Exponential growth

[crude geode]

True

[lucid flare]

how would you lose all of the power cells factories anyway

also abandoned labs also have factories iirc

[lavish condor]

Multiplayer trolls, perhaps a storage mod bugging? I feel like if losing them becomes an issue world-hopping is an option though

(That's in the don't's doc isn't it?)

[hollow shell]

It is.

@dawn trellis

in the Don'ts doc, pinned

It is all good

[radiant meadow]

grrrrrrrr stop suggesting things tmod doesn't support

[hollow shell]

@flat yarrow Currently not possible in tModLoader. Sprites exist, and will be implemented as soon as we are able to

[radiant meadow]

I believe support is added in the November stable

if there's a stable in November

not totally sure on what's going to happen with the 1.4.4 port also happening

depending on when this happens, the next Calamity update might be the 1.4.4 port

[drowsy plank]

dude that's literally in voting rn

truly a calamity read the rules/check existing suggestions impossible challenge

[hollow shell]

(Yeah I added it as a Don't only recently)

[drowsy plank]

i realize but even then

literally in voting right now

and also has already passed like three time but whatever

[radiant meadow]

You have to scroll up a good amount to see it.

And not everyone checks voting

I think it's more likely for people to play the game, think of an idea, post a suggestion, then skedaddle.

[drowsy plank]

F

still should read the rules tho lol

[radiant meadow]

People probably read the rules even less than voting

[drowsy plank]

😔

[flat yarrow]

My problem was that i've skipped "frequently asked suggestions" part, thinking "I don't really care what other people are suggesting, my idea is damn unique". Sorry for shitpost, but anyway would be glad to see this feature implemented.

[hollow shell]

A strange response but uh yeah we'll do it as soon as we can

[hollow frost]

would asking for a new spawn blocker item be considered SIS?

[hollow shell]

Probably not
What do you have in mind

[crude geode]

As long as you’re not specific with it’s name/sprite

[hollow frost]

I was thinking one for the three providence type enemies (Scorn Eaters, Impious Immolators, Profaned Energies), maybe even if just for the hallow, I feel like their theme clashes with the look and feel that vanilla hallow created
also, it would help players trying to farm non-providence enemies in the underworld and hallow

[hollow shell]

Yes that sounds reasonable. It is something I myself thought would be a good addition in the past
Feel free to suggest it

[small timber]

Isnt it better to like, suggest them to fit hallowed theme more?

[hollow shell]

using the reasoning you just provided

[small timber]

(and also it kinda is due to these enemy being way too oppressive in design)

[hollow shell]

I feel like the farming complaint is reasonable, considering the profaned enemies do take up a lotta spawn slots

[ornate kestrel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't there possibly be a providence specific area added in the future

[hollow shell]

There will be but that could be literally years away

[crude geode]

Yeah but future content

[hollow shell]

We can add a profaned enemy suppressor right now

[ornate kestrel]

Fair

It could also still have use whenever said area is added

[small timber]

My only concern is like, it is kinda bandaid?

It will be like "add spawn blocker for every miniboss except bobbit worm because farming bobbit worm in abyss tier 4 is difficult when other enemy keep spawning"

[crude geode]

I love slippery slope

[cobalt pewter]

bobbit worms should just be more common in that case

[ornate kestrel]

Well it could only be made so it is only craftable after defeating a few of the profaned enemies

[small timber]

Which I think kinda apply to this case of providence enemy too?

[crude geode]

That just sounds like it makes it harder to get either thing you want

[small timber]

They should spawn rarer, miniboss even, and each of them drop more unholy essence

[crude geode]

Miniboss

[ornate kestrel]

There's many ways it could be implemented if people really want it added

[small timber]

Miniboss as in, paladin, not great sand shark

[ornate kestrel]

It could set a low spawn cap for profaned enemies

[grim tusk]

@dawn trellis what if Gunk shot was just reworked or buffed?

[crude geode]

ever since the mass deletion people jump at the opportunity to cull weapons

[hollow shell]

You say that like it's a bad thing

Kill.

[ornate kestrel]

It's not a bad thing

[crude geode]

lmao fair

I do think in this instance it isn’t a bad thing

Slime God’s drops feel. kinda forgettable tbh

[hollow shell]

Oh no what's ranger gonna do without it's 47th shotgun-type normal-bullet-firing weapon

when SG already has Overloaded Blaster which is much more unique and thematically appropriate

[ornate kestrel]

Only the armor and purified gel is used

[crude geode]

and also unnecessary considering the dungeon + shadow chest + abyss weapons

[ornate kestrel]

Besides a few drops

[crude geode]

(Dungeon weapons my forgotten)

[ornate kestrel]

Hmmmm

What are those again

I don't seem to remember

[crude geode]

Exactly

[ornate kestrel]

Lol

They never get use

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

dungeon weapons are in a tricky spot thanks to pre 1.1 progression

[crude geode]

Handgun is by far the best example

[ornate kestrel]

Just crafting materials

[cobalt pewter]

it's not inherently an issue that could just be

fixed

but cal certainly doesn't need to stack on top of the issue

[ornate kestrel]

It's literally only useful for crafting

[crude geode]

Exactly

[bronze spear]

the main issue with the pre-hardmode dungeon weapons probably has to do with the fact that once you have access to them, you by extension have access to shadow chests, which automatically invalidates multiple of the dungeon weapons

[hollow frost]

posted 🧍‍♂️

[cobalt pewter]

basically, but it's too hard to change anything significant about that now

[bronze spear]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

best you can do is make shadow chest loot and dungeon loot sidegrades

like making Blue Moon deal less dmg but inflict Nightwither 🫵

[radiant meadow]

Remove Blue Moon entirely

put sunfury in dungeon chests

[cobalt pewter]

go on

remove a vanilla weapon

[small timber]

Dungeon chest weapon need to be a side grades to shadowchest weapon somehow

[radiant meadow]

worried about cross mod compat? that's what shimmer is for

[cobalt pewter]

Phoenix Blaster should be hm with essences of chaos

[radiant meadow]

cursed capper hmmmmmmmm

[small timber]

Just make phoenix blaster inflict holy flame

[crude geode]

cursed capper more like cursed cap

[cobalt pewter]

Phoenix Blaster is arguably the worst offender of this tiering thing because unlike those that are in shadow chests, you don't even need to get a shadow key to make it

[crude geode]

Yep

[small timber]

There is NO WAY it would break anything

[radiant meadow]

phoenix tho

that's Dragonfire ez

[cobalt pewter]

surely RBP rework has taught us something

[cobalt pewter]

SO TRUE

having Dragonfire be applied on anything pre yharon would be insanely comedic

[radiant meadow]

blissful bombardier:

a blissful accident that will be amended in a future update

but rn it exists

[crude geode]

what’s the solution to the three yo-yos post skele, pre WoF

[bronze spear]

that would be fucking terrifying

[radiant meadow]

none

[cobalt pewter]

what are those even

[radiant meadow]

cascade valor god's gambit

[cobalt pewter]

cascade, god's gambit and

oh valor

completely forgot

[radiant meadow]

dungeon weapon

:)

I mean

valor is probably more useful than gradient and format c

[cobalt pewter]

yoyos should be banished from the memories of everyone playing Terraria

i fuckin hate em

[crude geode]

Literally only there to sell toys

[cobalt pewter]

marketing scheme grr

(there could've been more that can be done but noooooo)

[crude geode]

quick make a marketing scheme out of the ark line

[small timber]

Currently air spinner outclass both massively just because vanilla yoyo dont have the "agile yoyo" effect

[cobalt pewter]

(let's do the bare minimum to sell toys)

[small timber]

And also they have terrible attack time and retract every 2 seconds which cause massive dps loss

[lavish condor]

Where does the selling toys come from? Yo-yos were around way before Terraria

[hollow frost]

as in the addition of yoyos was a collab with a yoyo company

ig

[cobalt pewter]

yea

yoyos in Terraria is for promoting OneDrop toys (hence why you see its logo on most vanilla yoyos)

[cobalt pewter]

and they made Terrarian a thing

and Kraken ig but who cares

[lavish condor]

ah I didn't know that. Thank you

[crude geode]

Dungeon “blue” theming my forgotten

(It’s so generic and hilarious that 50% of the dungeon weapons theming is them being blue in some way)

[hot zephyr]

From drab to fab with nothing but Cool Ranch

Got that blue gatorade sheen

[crude geode]

fr fr

[bronze spear]

I wonder...what's even the purpose of the blue weapons? there's water bolt and aqua scepter, which are both water themed...but then there's magic missile, which is a light-based weapon, as well as blue moon and muramasa

[crude geode]

Clearly they were predicting undertale

[bronze spear]

kek

[lavish condor]

Am I mistaken or was original dungeon (1.1) only Blue Bricks?

If Dungeon only had a blue theme when it and its content was released blue items would make some sense at least

[bronze spear]

iirc the original dungeon was only green

might be wrong, though

[lavish condor]

Yes looked it up I was mistaken

[small timber]

Blue is a pleasant colour especially if those have real life counterpart

I think that might be the whole reason

[bronze spear]

ok, so, both of us are mistaken

all 3 colors were present

they all looked the exact fucking same though

[small timber]

might, I cant confirm of course, only One Drops or relogic knows

[bronze spear]

the magic missile has a real life counterpart? please let me know where it is so I can use it

[lavish condor]

Wouldn't be as useful in real life where you can't see things that aren't in your physical line of sight.

[bronze spear]

good point

still, though, it would make for some cool tricks

back to the topic of dungeon progression, I never gave it much thought before, but

I've never actually used most of the dungeon weapons, have I?

because in most playthroughs, you just

get a few dungeon weapons, get shadow key, and get shadow chest weapons

that's mainly a vanilla issue, though, and we run into the realm of messing with mod compatibility if we mess with the dungeon weapons too much

[crude geode]

Indeed

[bronze spear]

doesn't take away from how much handgun sucks as a weapon, though

literally exists for the purpose of being crafted into phoenix blaster

[lavish condor]

I feel like Vanilla's intention was to use Dungeon gear on the Underworld, but the difficulty didn't really hold up

[swift wharf]

That is correct

The intended progression for vanilla is dungeon → underworld

[frosty trellis]

"Gunk shot is bad"
Gunk shot:

Nearly a minute under testing time

[swift wharf]

Lmao

[crude geode]

lmao

Does it get a better killtime than shotgun on wof

[willow widget]

i could test 😄

[swift wharf]

doubt it

shotgun is actually really fucking good

[frosty trellis]

Please do I haven't made a WoF arena yet in my testing world

[willow widget]

👍

[frosty trellis]

Also isnt shotgun hardmode?

[willow widget]

yep

[swift wharf]

Yeah

[willow widget]

bought from arms dealer

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

So why are we comparing it and what too?

Or rather what on?

[swift wharf]

[willow widget]

[crude geode]

Gunk shot, as a funny

Considering the sugg mentions it’s “shotgun but bad” basically

[frosty trellis]

@dawn trellis

[swift wharf]

To prove points overwhelmingly

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Shotgun on WoF then please Optrix

Same gear as before to make it fair

[willow widget]

👍

[swift wharf]

if shotgun gets a longer killtime I'll eat a shoe

[cobalt pewter]

I think Gunk Shot is less bad statwise and more

boring

it's just a fucking shotgun

doesn't even convert any bullets

[tranquil perch]

Desync has been painful to me and I'm finally getting around to making a suggestion about it.

[cobalt pewter]

there could be an alternative activation on altar that takes the first few seconds of SBC and used that time to slowly make an arena

[tranquil perch]

oh right

yeah I forgot to mention that

[crude geode]

I mean

[tranquil perch]

where you could have an animation but that'd just be increasing the boss spawn time

[crude geode]

The boss already has a pretty long spawn time iirc

[tranquil perch]

She still attacks though

on her bullet hell

[crude geode]

I meant when the screen is transitioning, before the screen shake calms down

[willow widget]

Shotgun:
(Top Close, Bottom Ranged)

[frosty trellis]

Well I mean it's a hm weapon compared to a phm weapon

What did we expect

[willow widget]

Gunk Shot:
(Top Close, Bottom Range)

[frosty trellis]

That just sent twice

[small timber]

gunk shot is probably not bad, but it is definitely boring though

[cobalt pewter]

ye

[frosty trellis]

@small timber

[willow widget]

top is shotgun

[small timber]

(but ya the suggestion straight up just didnt used it did they)

[willow widget]

bottom is gunk

i did for both point-blanks and further back

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Gunk is broken

[cobalt pewter]

this didn't get anywhere so lo

[frosty trellis]

Oh xpc while you're here, thoughts on drat?

Bc even with me trying my damned hardest to nohit shit I am not getting good results

[devout shell]

What is drat

Haha get it-

[small timber]

I can try to use it

[frosty trellis]

Dratonaltelous or however tf it's spelled

[small timber]

I havent use it in awhile, last time I used it was terrible but I heard they are better now

[frosty trellis]

I disagree but w/e

And no, I will not be trying this thing on SCal

[small timber]

last time it was basically a nohitter weapon that deal on-par damage

[frosty trellis]

I am way to bad at her

[cobalt pewter]

Drataliornus

no autocorrect this time, gaming

[frosty trellis]

That's what I am thinking

[small timber]

(I definitely am not able to do scal though so I will do exo instead)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

[small timber]

nohit scal is nightmare, exo is at least doable

[frosty trellis]

I am bad enough at SCal

Exos at least you can just sllime mount and go upwards for twins a lot

Then thanatos is easy enough

And Ares isnt' too bad

Also don't bother with the right click

It's god awful

[small timber]

wow nohitting without damage gear sucks

[drowsy plank]

for weapons i really thought were gonna do something else other than what they did gunk shot is one

i thought it was gonna be like

you know

gunk shot

from pokemon

where it shot a giant gravity affected slime ball that exploded or something

kinda like a worse onyx blaster

for flak toxicannon i thought it was gonna shoot like, an arced stream and that's why it said all the stuff about high IQ since u would have to aim it from very far away

[small timber]

ok I will just use god mode and dodge to my best instead

nohit without gear and ripper is painful, currently: super good for twins, bad for ares, good/ok for thanatos

@frosty trellis ok this is the theoritical maximum output with tester gear and no rippers (ignore the 2 alcohols they are movement only, I used them when I was trying to nohit it)

eventhough I am on god mode I basically dodged identical to if I am trying to nohit it (I think I got hit like 2 times), so should be pretty close

the power is there yeah, but you definitely never want to use this with tester gear: it is literally pointless

since every reset you have just make this weapon completely shit, your best bet is to max damage and rippers + damage gear to straight up nohit it with absurdly high damage

[radiant meadow]

drataliornus is a bit weird

there was some discussion of possibly making it more user friendly and less punishing

[small timber]

I think it is fine being an outlier tbh

(since it is basically only this specific weapon that require you to nohit)

but ya, right click should be stronger

so people who accidently crafted the weapon without knowing should at the very least be able to use it, I will say right click should be "viable weapon" tier

[small timber]

ok this took WAY longer than it needs to be

[drowsy plank]

i wouldnt care that drat is so punishing if we just had more good lategame bows

[small timber]

but ya, for nohit this is way more than fine performance, most exo nohits use different weapon since they perform vastly different on different mechs, but drat just ace them all

heavenly gale should be good now, but ya there isn't auric bow isnt it?

except drat

[drowsy plank]

gale is cool now but i heard the damage was lacking appearntly

[small timber]

I heard it is ok, though left click do not scale with damage properly

for scal at least, not sure for exo, I will try later

(oh right it is post exo)
I will try drat right click on exo later

[bright crag]

It appears to not scale with damage

[crude geode]

you can prolly blame patrons

considering half of the violet guns are dedicated

[bright crag]

Also try Phangasm, it's quite good

[cobalt pewter]

Drat could get a touch up I think

visually at least

it's fine in isolation but doesn't hold up against recent visuals on that tier

[crude geode]

you could say that about a lot of late game weapons

[cobalt pewter]

true.

[crude geode]

poor iban having 24/7 work time to update every visual in cal smh my head

[frosty trellis]

Forgets recon exists

[frosty trellis]

Alluvion is better

[small timber]

oh right yeah recon exist

[frosty trellis]

Alluvion is fucking wild

[frosty trellis]

Normal effect is fine but god damn luminite arrows

Loadout for that

Luminite arrows

Are teh ultimate epic funniness

That need to die

So bad

[small timber]

oh right I am supposed to test drat right click on exo

[frosty trellis]

xpc please don't

[crude barn]

what is up with luminite arrows that make them so funny

[frosty trellis]

You don't need to suffer xpc

[crude barn]

oh they're the phantasm effect arrows

[small timber]

as long as it is not a straight up nohit I think I can survive exo indefinitely

[crude barn]

I was thinking about bullets

[small timber]

so it might take 20 mins, but I will do it

[crude barn]

yeah those are funny

[frosty trellis]

Well have fun with a 12 minute exos first

Or 20 yeah

[small timber]

it actually, seems not bad?

let me restart

[frosty trellis]

I remember it being completely jackshit on Ares

[small timber]

ares last long is fine, as long as it is not garbage on all 3 it is ok for me

[frosty trellis]

You thought Zenith was bad on Ares? Drat r.click is something else

[small timber]

it is pretty dogshit for ares and thanatos yeah, but luckily it being above average for twins saved it

[frosty trellis]

What about r.click for scal?

[small timber]

I will imagine it is ok since it did well on twins, I will try

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjvU6k-w7LA entire fight if you are interested
I will proceed to scal
ok I will skip heart with true melee, that 1 minute heart make this weapon look way less powerful than it actually is

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

And the drat on exos looks about right so yeah

[small timber]

it is stonk

I skipped both hearts phase (which if I actually attempt it will be 1 min each), but for the rest of the fight it is AMAZING

the only one this is bad on is seeker, but many single target weapons are weak against seeker

[frosty trellis]

Well I'll be damned

That build is a little offensive but yeah

[small timber]

since I usually swapped out dash for a different accessory for scal

[frosty trellis]

Oh I just void sash gaming

Void Sash is fking amazing for her imo

Dodge and just the dash is so nice bh4 and beyond

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvLnRpP81I referrence video if you are interested

but ya tldr drat right click is more than viable

abit slow on exo, amazing on twins bad ares and thanatos, thats about it
and amazing scal minus seeker and hearts

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

How does it compare to something like Phangasm/Alluvion with Luminite?

Bc alluvion is dumb and I keep seeing phangasm on class setups

[small timber]

on exo or scal?

[frosty trellis]

Hmm

Go SCal

I can do Exos later

I am way more comfortable and consistent with exos

SCal is still a nightmare for me

[small timber]

I will imagine not super good then, mainthing with luminite is double hit, scal keep moving up and down = no double hit
yharon was a static target which is why it is so good

[frosty trellis]

Maybe vanquisher then?

If that's what you're worried about?

[small timber]

I will try both (if the weapon have reasonable kill time)

[frosty trellis]

Kk

[small timber]

alluvion + luminite: good against hearts (but I used drage anyway since sep spawn become rng), very good against seekers, bad against brothers, good against hellblast, bad againts mobile

alluvion + vanquisher: even better against hearts (still drage anyway for consistency), worse against seeker (still decent), better against brothers (good) good against hellblast, better (good) against mobile

(picture take too large space, I will compile all 4 of them)

the small killtime difference is just because I had a worse sep2 spawn in luminite attempt, they are about on-par
tldr both are really good for a post-DoG weapon (abit too good)

[small timber]

phangasm + luminite: ok against heart (but very hard to aim, drage), the rest tldr is just a worse version of alluvion with luminite arrow, performance is similar on each phase (but worse)

phangasm + vanquisher: MELTS heart (for consistent, I still use drage), and does well against all other phases (and very good for hellblast, even ok against mobile)

out of all of these, I will say only phangasm + vanquisher can kill hearts at a pace somewhat similar to Drage

[frosty trellis]

So phangasm supremacy then

Fair

[short walrus]

Art server exists

[neat linden]

there is an entire discord server

dedicated for art

[small timber]

(I ran out of ideas since it is a lot of armors, and I tried to not make them just stats but failed miserably)