it's called burning blood the same way an infected cut "burns"
#suggestions-discussion
drowsy plank
swift wharf
Won't lie to you chief
Reading the description for the player then the enemy got me wheezing
btw ichor falls in which category?
safe oasis
this is sugg discussion
swift wharf
simple compass
oh
versed cape
@untold pagoda I will support you every step of the way
simple compass
i confused them
versed cape
good luck
simple compass
sorry
frail mantle
@untold pagoda 
versed cape
this is factually correct information
frail mantle
duck made me do it
i don't care
frail mantle
@late nebula no
bumblebirb will not return
- suggesting to readd removed content is disallowed
late nebula
we need bumble birb all my homies hate dragonfolly
frail mantle
too bad
fatfuck is best you're getting
install vanities if you want more bumblebirb homages
gilded scroll
Bumblefuck im pretty sure was a joke-
blazing kettle
or download a earlier version of the mod if you are that desperate for the lad
swift wharf
swift wharf
gilded scroll
rest in piss, bumblefuck
frail mantle
small timber
Cthulhu was referring to crimson being the corpse of cthulhu (and boc being the vanilla main crimson boss)
So to certain degree I guess they are kinda cthulhu related? But thats about it
But ya with that description it definitely should be sickness
golden tulip
theres like 20 fire based debuffs
and then theres water and electricity with 2. 
drowsy plank
btw ichor falls in which category?
ichor doesnt deal DoT so it doesnt fall into the system
elec and water need more debuffs
88 variants of On Fire, 0 others
maybe you could make an elec variant for sunken sea enemies so you dont get fucking shredded for touching a stormlion Once
swift wharf
ichor doesnt deal DoT so it doesnt fall into the system
kinda lame
drowsy plank
¯_(ツ)_/¯
swift wharf
but ig it's fair
A boss losing even more defense because of a weakness would be busted
frail mantle
i believe rage and adrenaline are available in expert and normal if you equip shattered community and draedon's heart, respectively
hollow shell
Not a real counterargument for several reasons
lyric path
2 endgame accessories for a mechanic meant for the entire game
hollow shell
indeed plus the fact that Drae Heart isn't even Adren, it's a heal
And Shattered Community has altered rage mechanics too
But this is uhhh
It's kind of a really big suggestion
Not in difficulty of execution, but in implication
Would have effects on the balancing of two difficulty modes throughout the whole game
hollow shell
I'm wondering if it'd be safer to tie all-modes Rage and Adren to accessory lines?
(but then we'd have to consider what to do with them in Rev)
lyric path
Maybe use the skull crown materials?
tame mountain
how about making the exo mechs split up in multiplayer to multiple players, and enrage them or make them harder respectively to keep the difficulty?
ruby plover
if there were more water debuffs, lumenous amulet could amplify the effects of em, similarly to the buffed hellfire treads
but like
yeah
there isnt lol
swift wharf
lumenous amulet (and depths charm) are dubious accessories
hollow shell
funny
lost valley
lum is doodoo
ruby plover
water debuffs is a super specific category
swift wharf
just not burning and more blood
ruby plover
wet blood
lost valley
esp bc anything in HM with more than36 def will take 0 dmg from crush
ruby plover
bone marrow cancer debuff, real?
hollow shell
Temporal Sadness could easily be a Water debuff instead of Cold
even though that'd be meaningless in this context cuz it's only afflicted by Teardrop Cleaver now
Sulphuric Poisoning could get dubiously moved from Sickness to Water
lost valley
also it doesnt help that every single boss post calclone will take no damage from crush depth
hollow shell
Sulphuric Poisoning could get dubiously moved from Sickness to Water
Renamed to "Acidic Water" or something
ruby plover
i mean, is sulphuric poisoning really a sickness? or is it more a burning of the skin because of the water
tacit tide
Hmmm
hollow shell
Yeah it's not even really poison in the first place
ruby plover
i could see it being moved to water
hollow shell
Acid is a chemical reaction, a dissolving, not a toxin
Applies to inorganic matter just as much as organic matter
ruby plover
there we go
sounds like we have a third valid candidate for the water debuffs category :)
tacit tide
I would say Sulphuric Poisoning is a sickness, as it is a poison. Make a new water debuff called Acidic water i would say
Sulphuric Poisoning is inflicted by Enemies
Sulphuric Water is inflicted by the Water
hollow shell
The only thing establishing it as a poison is its name, which can be changed
tacit tide
Irradiated is inflicted by the enemies
ruby plover
a rename + moving to the water debuff category
hollow shell
(fun fact no enemies inflict "Sulphuric Poisoning" except for Nuclear Terror)
hollow shell
should i see about suggesting that then?
I think it'd be a good idea
tacit tide
And Sulphurous Water is inflicted by water in the sulpherous sea
ruby plover
sulphuric corrosion or smthn
hollow shell
It doesn't matter, I don't think
The suggestion can just ask that it get renamed, but not what it should be renamed to
Could include one or two examples anyway
tacit tide
Fair
ruby plover
exo mechs are inherently not multiplayer friendly
they'd basically have to be reworked to be fine in mp
hollow shell
Client-instanced mechs for each player 
drowsy plank
but crush depth deals 200 damage in hardmode 🤔
oh it's 90
ah fuck that means some page still has it listed as 200 now i have to go fix that
drowsy plank
esp bc anything in HM with more than36 def will take *0* dmg from crush
crush depth is like the only thing in the game that still has scaling (bar exactly community but it's special), so i feel like that should be mentioned somewhere. also is this from experience using it or were you just looking at the upgrade because if things with 36 def (it deals 30 so this isn't even accurate) are taking no damage from it in hardmode, that means its bugged lmao
oh wait
man wtf is up with cal's debuffs on god
why the hell did it get nerfed from 200 if the defense scaling is a thing
actually why not just implemented an upgraded version of the debuff that lum can inflict
problem solved
bright crag
Rippers in lower difficulties would certainly not be incredibly OP
serene tendon
they'd basically have to be reworked to be fine in mp
Perhaps Aries and the Exo Twins could stay on the sides of different players?
blazing kettle
you could make it so theres a arena like scal
yeah there might be a billion flaws but it solves the multiplayer issue
serene tendon
you could make it so theres a arena like scal
Sounds extremely hard. Exos in an Scal Box is an extreme challenge for a reason
blazing kettle
maybe a alternative method to get exo mech drops? for example, you could put a ashes of anhillation in the codebreaker base or a charging station turn it into exo prisms, or ||shimmer|| to change ashes of anhillation into exo prisms and vise versa
serene tendon
maybe a alternative method to get exo mech drops? for example, you could put a ...
No way, that skips an entire boss!
blazing kettle
but multiplayer!!!!!!!!!
vestal bronze
and most people do scal after mechs
serene tendon
and most people do scal after mechs
True
serene tendon
but multiplayer!!!!!!!!!
It's not worth it
blazing kettle
probably isnt worth it, but it was worth the shot
lost valley
crush depth is like the only thing in the game that still has scaling (bar exact...
is this wrong?
36*2.5 is 90
ah am late
drowsy plank
i forgot how the scaling works, and i was going off the main debuff page cause ive been looking at it a lot and someone forgot to update it
it used to have 200 tick damage which made more sense
drowsy plank
frankly id be fine with them just removing the damn scaling and making an empowered version of the debuff, which not only gives lum a purpose, but it also allows the weapons that use it to be properly balanced
frosty trellis
@pastel crow Lion Heart and Last Mourning on DoG are.... Not even that good with WBOTS and HOAD
pastel crow
How are they on Old Duke?
lost valley
WBOTS?
frosty trellis
How are they on Old Duke?
I have a habbit of dying but this should help give you an idea
First one is Mourning, 2nd Lionheart
1q3m3w
If my build isn't this offensive with the accessories given I don't deal jack shit to anything
lost valley
ah
pastel crow
Alright
fringe olive
does anybody know how to fix calamity mod making the respawn time 3 seconds and making it so respawning plays the recall sound on multiplayer?
lost valley
wrong channel buddy
hollow shell
byeah sussy wording but I didn't wanna split hairs
frosty trellis
@hollow shell
hollow shell
death
frosty trellis
Death indeed
drowsy plank
@tame mountain this is how every single boss in the game works
i overlooked this sugg at first cause no one was talking about that but that is Literally Just How Boss Aggro works in this game
the bosses are designed to fight one person, so they target one person
crude geode
I've seen twins swap aggro
drowsy plank
tbf you can seperate normal twins too, but either way, it'd be so much effort to fix multiplayer in any serious capacity. the fact the game is even functional in multiplayer as is is already a bit of a miracle in it of itself
frosty trellis
Yeah
frosty trellis
Multiplayer is not a priority at all
It just needs to be functional and not break in two
If it works and people can play it it's fine
crude geode
sadly ye
hollow shell
I'm not 100% sure if that's true
frosty trellis
Based on what I've seen mp is like a distant 8th in priorities
hollow shell
It's less so that multiplayer issues are not important enough to be worth fixing
It's more so that they're difficult to fix
small timber
Yeah how can they make exo works on MP even if they want to
frosty trellis
Fair
frosty trellis
It's less so that multiplayer issues are *not important enough* to be worth fixi...
And due to he difficulty it's not worth the effort over fixing more important issues with the mod or making sure stuff is balanced in sp and new content and all of that
Too much else you have your hands on for it to be a worthwhile time investment
crude geode
that feels dismissive
frosty trellis
Wdym?
frosty trellis
And due to he difficulty it's not worth the effort over fixing more important is...
(Or at least I presume)
hollow shell
We have a dedicated channel in the dev server for multiplayer testing and bugfixing
frosty trellis
Makes sense
hollow shell
(also multiplayer testing itself is more difficult than testing non-MP issues, cuz of the inherent requirement of multiple people
Not something any one person can do)
frosty trellis
Yeah fair
hollow shell
(as a result the channel is uh
not the most active)
crude geode
Too much else you have your hands on for it to be a worthwhile time investment
this just feels more dismissive than just at least acknowledging and occasionally testing
frosty trellis
(as a result the channel is uh
not the most active)
Makes sense
grave zincBOT
@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!
[Rename 'The Reaper' to 'The Old Reaper']
It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message
cobalt pewter
god
drowsy plank
~~I still like my "Natural Causes" rename proposal, personally~~
oh that is a really good one lmao
but thank god one less confusing name to deal with in this chat
ruby plover
do you ever think of something you wanted to suggest but when you click suggestions posting it leaves your head in its entirety
im so fuckin mad oh my god lmao
cobalt pewter
this is why you make a notes in your phone and put whatever sugg idea you have immediately
frosty trellis
Fair enough
cobalt pewter
worm boss issue
crude geode
Worm bosses try not to be fucking weird
frosty trellis
Wasn't there a suggestion about that here?
#suggestions-voting message
tardy geyser
Wasn't there a suggestion about that here?
https://discord.com/channels/22503093...
ah shit, how did i not see that one -_-
tardy geyser
oh yea true
small timber
That one is "make only head vulnerable to debuff"
frosty trellis
Which I believe would be fair
drowsy plank
xpc's sugg was better
tardy geyser
thats pretty similar to what im asking
drowsy plank
there's a reason they're immune
frosty trellis
It prevents debuff melting
drowsy plank
in a way? but removing the immunity and just removing it on the head are two VERY different things
frosty trellis
Since the debuffs would obliterate them
drowsy plank
the way you have it worded rn would never get implemented
tardy geyser
hence the body being resistant or immune to dot part
small timber
That one I an not super sure if didnt pass or not
drowsy plank
oh im blind i didnt see that
small timber
It is exactly on friday to me (for me friday is the day suggestions are send to dev)
tardy geyser
and like most of the other worms are fine with out being immune to nearly everything?
these few just have too many segments ig
small timber
Astrum deus get pretty destroyed by heat debuff yeah
Which is why I thought only.head vulnerable (or something similar) have less concern since there is no chance for fire debuff to destroy them
And head is already vulnerable part of many worm bosses anyway (most notably dog)
drowsy plank
oh man AS isn't debuff immune? lmao how do hellfire treads do against him. cannot imagine he's in a good place rn lmao
small timber
@hollow shell #suggestions-voting message sorry is it possible to check whether or not this suggestion is in the next batch?
For me it is posted on friday (with friday being the day suggestions sent into dev for me) but I dont know whether it is after or before the time of the day it occurs
cobalt pewter
oh man AS isn't debuff immune? lmao how do hellfire treads do against him. canno...
HVC apparently deletes AS in 5 seconds.
...?
frosty trellis
HVC deleted AS and Dest
drowsy plank
normal
tardy geyser
hmmm might remove mine and wait to see if xpcqe's suggestion goes through
it would solve the issue as well
looks like it has enough votes
small timber
hmmm might remove mine and wait to see if xpcqe's suggestion goes through
ok it seems that my suggestion (barely?) missed the timing, it was posted at pass 12am for me (midnight of the day) while for me suggestions are sent at 2pm
so this means it should not be in the batch and can't get send anymore, so you probably have to suggest it
tardy geyser
oki ill put it back
hollow shell
<@149223721700163584> https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/2633823593...
That suggestion was considered for the most recently sent batch. It was the 6th most starred suggestion of that week, yet only 4 suggestions got delivered to meet the 20% quota
So, RIP
small timber
yeah, that batch had very little suggestions due to being pre-patch
frosty trellis
@inner anvil Kindles are overtuned
Also this is a bit slow becaus scepulture 2 blocked the kindles for a bit so should have been 5-10 seconds faster
1q3m3w for reforges
Also metastasis should not give the player iframes it's actually obsurd bc you take no damage from meta and then can just iframe abuse with it on exos
small timber
@distant gyro sorry for pinging when you are not online, did calamity changed armor penetration formula or something? since I noticed that reaper tooth necklace seems to increase damage by 10 (instead of 7.5 if vanilla formula) which is weird
unless calamity make defense more effective on monster which will make more sense (eg: use 0.75 instead of vanilla default 0.25)
oh shit sorry for ping, calamity did changed it, I didn't want to delete this message to prevent ghost ping
(no wonder armor pen is so good)
it is a 1 line on specifically calamity's page for defense
inner anvil
<@427093633456537629> Kindles are overtuned
Also this is a bit slow becaus scepu...
I already nerfed it for next update.
Like a week ago.
rotund tree
it is a 1 line on specifically calamity's page for defense
that's just for player defense
enemy defense is always 0.5
small timber
enemy defense is always 0.5
in that case rtn seems abit weird?
since on a 15 armor pen it should had increase damage by 7.5 (or round to 8), but instead it is a consistent 10-11
tardy geyser
could the tool tip be wrong and its 20 ap?
rotund tree
i guess also try other items/armors that give armor penetration and see if those have the same "issue"
small timber
yeah I will try
ok I will edit this one just so I dont forget how each perform
.....
46% damage (0 armor pen), mega shark
| 27-29 damage
46% damage (15 armor pen), mega shark
| 38-41
omega blue armor (46% damage 15 armor pen), mega shark
| 38-41 (we ignore crit here)
sandsharktoothnecklace + menacing (10% damage 10 armor pen), minishark
| 15-16 damage
10% damage (0 armor pen), minishark
| 7-8
shark tooth necklace (5 armor pen), minishark
| 11-12
nothing, minishark
| 7-8
it is not perfectly accurate due to +-5% basically become +- 1 damage (I assume), but ya that does not seem like half
rotund tree
you can always install a mod that gets rid of damage variation for that kind of stuff
small timber
ok I will grab 1 and redo
(the following are done with no damage spread mod)
all musketballs
minishark:
0 armor pen: 7
5 armor pen: 11
10% damage: 7
10 armor pen 10% damage: 15
these are done on crabulon which has 12 defense
megashark: (mini deal 1 damage without pen)
46% damage: 27
15 armor pen 46% damage (omega blue): 39
15 armor pen 46% damage (rtn): 39
I will just redo 0,5 and 10 for good measure
0 armor pen: 15
5 armor pen: 19
10% damage: 17
10 armor pen 10% damage: 25
these are done on calamitas clone which has 25 defense
small timber
ok then luckily I (re)did it on calclone
(since I was just referring to wiki for that)
(wiki.gg)
ok I disabled every mod except calamity, calamity music and no damage spread, results seems to still be the same
also I just noticed it worked on king slime which is supposed to have 10 defense, but it is treated as if it ignored 15 defense (assuming it is 0.75x not 0.5x)
inner anvil
Can we just delete Armor Pen?
small timber
what will be a replacement for armor pen without making shark tooth necklace useless
inner anvil
Oh, don't get me wrong, all the team hates Armor Pen, it's just mod compatibility.
small timber
(since that is vanilla, an iconic vanilla damage accessory at that)
short walrus
Why is armor pen bad I didn't read
small timber
basically it doesnt want to work as intended, and make some weapon randomly deal 10x more damage while on others useless
inner anvil
Why is armor pen bad I didn't read
It's like if balancing was a 3D graph.
ruby plover
i mean
this is not a good solution, but its the only thing ive thought of
get rid of sandshark necklace, get rid of reaper tooth necklace, and just make sharktooth a damage boost
the only early game damage boosting accessory...? i think
so it would still occupy that niche
small timber
the closest one is old desert prowler with +1 ranger damage I think (oh it still has this effect)
crude geode
Truly the source of all Cal problems smh my head
Byeah armor pen bad but good luck getting rid of it
cobalt pewter
just replace all armor pen with flat dmg boost
it's essentially the same anyways :cluel
byeah while cal is big enough to do movement speed rework, that one is enhancing on the existing system
this case is trying to demolish it, so it's probably a teensy different
small timber
ok armor pen definitely doesnt seem to be working as intended
these small slimes have 2 defense, which is supposed to block 1 damage, but by ignoring all armor I dealt 2 extra damage
short walrus
might be a negatives thing?
small timber
meanwhile these ice slimes have 4 defense which is supposed to block 2 damage, but when I ignore all armor I dealt 4 extra damage
short walrus
that might be the RTN's bonus of 15% damage though
small timber
that might be the RTN's bonus of 15% damage though
I changed ranger emblem for rtn, both are 15% damage, so only difference is armor pen
short walrus
fair enough
tardy geyser
does it happen in other mods? could be the changes tmod made to ap
small timber
and also it is the same with ranger emblem + shark tooth necklace (since it is just 4 defense, 5 armor pen ignore all of them)
small timber
does it happen in other mods? could be the changes tmod made to ap
I will just turn off calamity mod and see if it is a tmod problem
ok seems to be a calamity problem
Same world as soon as I turnt on calamity mod (I didnt even touched revengeance)
and no in case you are wondering, the ranger emblem have no effect on the result
so I assume probably some alternative armor pen formula that calamity use which basically:
- make it so defense function at 0.75x instead of 0.5x on monster (thus armor pen too)
- add flat damage to damage source by the exact amount of defense you ignored from enemy; rather than just ignore set amount of defense from the enemy
thus every single point of defense from the enemy is treated as 1 flat damage reduction (eventhough in reality it is not) and therefore when penetrated become 1 whole damage, instead of just 0.5 damage as 2 defense block 1 damage
tldr armor pen sucks
short walrus
armor pen in vanilla or armor pen in calamity?
cobalt pewter
cal
small timber
calamity
short walrus
k
cobalt pewter
so basically cal should try and revert every ap changes they did?
or it's unintended
short walrus
so the easiest solution, instead of getting rid of armor pen as a whole, would be to revert the changes
lost valley
just turn AP into flat damage ups ofc 
inner anvil
so basically cal should try and revert every ap changes they did?
The only change we did was a bugfix, where your Armor Pen was doubled. So if you had 10, it was 20.
lucid flare
is armor penetration even that noticeable
inner anvil
Depends on the weapon.
It's like Tag Damage, in some summons it's barely noticeable while others get insane.
grim tusk
Tracking disk when its nerfed and good only for armor pen to turn it back into a demon
lucid flare
yea i guess it kinda depends on how fast the thing is
short walrus
@swift orbit boss suggestions aren't allowed and you have no reasoning
drowsy plank
slime god, twins, astrum deus
short walrus
all of the exo mechs, too
swift orbit
hybrid steeple
calamity discord users shaking and crying when i show them the pins button (they are being driven mad by the revelation)
solemn dust
real
drowsy plank
my man edited the sugg and literally just said the same thing but with even MORE detail which is probably worse 
man i really need to finish the queen slime page
swift wharf
what's the reason hm worm bosses are immune to most debuffs again
drowsy plank
@swift orbit if you want some easier way to obtain souls of light and night, demon altars drop night and queen slime drops light. otherwise i have no idea what you're trying to ask with this
because they get shredded otherwise
swift wharf
drowsy plank
AS has a big problem with this lol
swift wharf
simply add the hitbox lib
drowsy plank
real
rotund tree
mfw DoT effects apply to each segment individually
swift wharf
byeah I wonder if that could actually fix it
rotund tree
AS when we wasn't yet immune to crush depth
drowsy plank
he isnt immune to depth crush right now
rotund tree
oh lmao
drowsy plank
rotund tree
funny
at least it's immune to sulph poisoning so it doesn't get destroyed by the rusty beacon prototype
drowsy plank
astrum deus on his way to get shredded by cursed flares + spectralstorm cannon
i just realized firestorm cannon is gonna be fucking cracked when shimmer flares get introduced
swift wharf
tenebrous tides
drowsy plank
just found out tenebreus tides was donated by DevilSunrise but devil's sunrise was donated by Lompl Allimath
we truly live in a society
swift wharf
i will make devilsunrise mysteriously disappear so tenebrous dies with zero consequences
drowsy plank
lmfao
swift wharf
actual instrument of evil
drowsy plank
the worm killer
crude geode
@zenith hazel spam
small timber
seriously it is back to that season again
crude geode
seriously it is back to that season again
Yep
eternal escarp
frigid hawk
BRUH💀
inner anvil
When the 2 Blasts are in the same server.
crude geode
Pretty wack
golden tulip
moderator blast
hybrid steeple
kid named moderator
pastel crow
2 spiders, 2 blasts, what’s next?
neat linden
we have like at least 4 Omegas in this server
probably more
including people who never said a thing
:hdflr:
faint saffron
any suggestion for a calamity build?
drowsy plank
any suggestion for a calamity build?
wrong channel
not to mention that's vague as hell lmfao
grim tusk
we have like at least 4 Omegas in this server
There was like 16 Storms
Shade is only me i think
frosty trellis
Shade is only me i think
There 9, actually
grim tusk
Fuck mobile
frosty trellis
Lmaooooooooooooooooooo
grim tusk
Why does it not load for me
drowsy plank
android recently had the iOS version ported and it just Made Everything Worse and i am still salty about it
android used to just be superior but for some arbitrary reason they standardized it
which just removed half of the PC features that were perfectly functional on mobile
crude geode
Better idea
Delete hellkite
(Seriously who gives a flying fuck about this weapon. It makes very little sense in general)
frosty trellis
Better idea
Kill the claymore weapons and devestation AND hellkite
gilded scroll
Floodtide should go too, its just a material sword- (shark launching sword)
drowsy plank
wtf we making terratomere out of then
crude geode
byeah in actuality I can see floodtide staying, especially if it gets moved to just fishing instead of generic craft
crude geode
(coldheart my beloved)
Die
drowsy plank
so exoblade is made of flarefrost, anarchy, and stellar?? 
honestly why do flareflost and anarchy even exist
crude geode
so exoblade is made of flarefrost, anarchy, and stellar?? <:CalWheeze:5678940321...
Fire frost weapons slightly less generic than each on their own
inner anvil
Delete hellkite
@pastel crow
drowsy plank
fair
frosty trellis
so exoblade is made of flarefrost, anarchy, and stellar?? <:CalWheeze:5678940321...
Flarefrost blade my beloved ;-;
I will forever praise flarefrost
Carried me in my first melee pt and was so nice for my master-death run
Braindead homing and good damage and easy to use
crude geode
Braindead homing and good damage and easy to use
Woah I love every melee weapon with projectiles
drowsy plank
why is flarefrost just made out of some random bars anyway
it seems mildly interesting conceptually but it just has no identity outside of exoblade mat
frosty trellis
why is flarefrost just made out of some random bars anyway
it seems mildly inter...
Flare: Hellstone
Frost: Cryonic
Duh
Flarefrost could use a touch up I will admit
But it doesn't need to be removed ;-;
frosty trellis
Fair enough
drowsy plank
Flare: Hellstone
Frost: Cryonic
i understand the mats i mean why is it so
lame
in that aspect
crude geode
Because the ark line rework has raised our standards
frosty trellis
TRUE
I mean I always loved flarefrost even though I started in 1.5.1.6 so ark my beloved but yeah
crude geode
Not that that’s a bad things, it helps us identify really lame things
pastel crow
<@417390376350121986>
🥺
drowsy plank
flarefrost but it's an permafrost "exhumed" fiery greatsword
crude geode
Fire and frost are cool concepts if you actively do something with the combination
instead of it just. doing burning and frostburn
crude geode
Indeed
distant gyro
bee spam
drowsy plank
hive pack used to have an upgrade
is my only guess
steel raptor
Mirror blade is BROKEN
Destroyed DoG within 2 minutes with that thing using Pre-Polterghast gear and Solar Armor
inner anvil
That's a shame.
steel raptor
Solar Armor I would argue is better than both Bloodflare and Tarragon melee because the set gives 12% DR and the Solar Shields provide 20% DR that ignores the calamity DR scaling
Solar shield dashes are also a couple blocks stronger than Elysian Aegis
With adrenaline I get 60k to 70k dps on DoG head assuming I’m hitting it all the way through
Mirror Blade is also one of those swords where melee speed actually increases the rate of projectiles appearing instead of converting melee speed to melee damage
inner anvil
We removed Melee Speed converting to Damage.
So now every sword gets actual Melee Speed, except the outliers.
steel raptor
Are non-true melee weapons supposed to get no benefit from melee speed?
inner anvil
Weapons like AotC or Exoblade don't get any effect from Melee Speed.
steel raptor
ah
inner anvil
But the everyday-swords get Melee Speed.
frosty trellis
*Why the fuck does plaguekeeper exist?*
WHY IS IT GOOD WHAT
Before the guardians phase I was getting upwards of like 20% health gone between cocoon phases
@pastel crow Plaguekeeper
pastel crow
Yea I heard it was strong
frosty trellis
Yea I heard it was strong
Also solstice claymore is cracked
pastel crow
Swordsplosion too if I had to guess
frosty trellis
Lemme go see
drowsy plank
Mirror blade is BROKEN
yeah mirror blade is funny, mpg did some testing on it a while back, it's viable from polter to like yharon. though you have to be very good to get it to work there tho
frosty trellis
Swordsplosion too if I had to guess
It's good for prov herself but the guardians just takes forever
On the topic of broken weapons, ele shiv needs to die
crude geode
this is why ele shiv should have been deleted
steel raptor
Rip shortsword pts
crude geode
Rest in piss
frosty trellis
this is why ele shiv should have been deleted
Donor moment
crude geode
Was it kept only because of cosmic shiv?
hot zephyr
Was it kept only because of cosmic shiv?
No
Terra Shiv and below: Removed for being inferior clones of vanilla weapons, that have aged especially poorly due to the vanilla reworks in the then upcoming 1.4.4 updates
Exo Shiv specifically: "Very weak design-wise and just a remnant of the shortsword-subclass-viability craze, and built off of Cosmic Shiv. Needs a full mechanical rework. Not worth the trouble. "
frosty trellis
Also greatsword of judgement is kinda op
frosty trellis
Exo Shiv specifically: "Very weak design-wise and just a remnant of the shortswo...
Ic
hot zephyr
the viable (aka, projectile shooter) shortswords were only viable because their projectile and that became irrelevant once 1.4 whipped out the new shortsword mechanics
cosmic shiv is a donor weapon so it lived
elemental shiv could one day be cool
galileo gladius is already kinda cool
lucrecia could one day be cool
aquatic discharge and sub shitter? i forgor about them when the deletion proposals were being made 💀
frosty trellis
Yeah the DS and AS shortswords should just outright die
Galileo needs another buff
Ele shiv needs a serious nerf and then it can hopefully get a cool rework
drowsy plank
just turn shiv into starlight 2 fr
steel raptor
the viable (aka, projectile shooter) shortswords were only viable because their ...
What do you mean “their projectile”? Can they really not shoot projectiles in any direction? How could it be coded like that
hot zephyr
no
the shortswords that were viable before their removal derived their entire viability from their projectiles
in 1.4, you can shoot them in any direction
neat linden
just make melee not get any weapons from DS/AS directly
it has enough weapons already
hot zephyr
at that point, why is it even a shortsword
drowsy plank
they might as well have been magic staves
tardy geyser
just turn shiv into starlight 2 fr
yes plz, make them much bigger, aimable, and less projectile oriented
hot zephyr
at least in 1.3, you were kneecapped by only being able to shoot to your left/right
steel raptor
Give some of them more incentive of getting up close
Is that how it is with cosmic shiv? (Dealing more dps up close)
drowsy plank
well they're dead sooooo
also no cosmic shiv is also just projectile barf
hot zephyr
if ele shiv got a rework it'd probably be starlight 2
steel raptor
makes sense
hot zephyr
or at least, a cooler version of starlight
steel raptor
Since it only uses starlight in its recipe of weapons
drowsy plank
and then we can talk to the cosmic shiv donor about fixing their wep too
drowsy plank
damn
hot zephyr
but that's just my opinion
steel raptor
ouch, I could hear the pain from Yatagarasu
drowsy plank
yeah i mean i got devil's sunrise to get looked at so once ele shiv gets reworked im def gonna ask rover for the donor id so shiv could get a glow up too
hot zephyr
it's a bland donor weapon but it's inoffensive
it's not like devil's sunrise or infected remote
drowsy plank
lol
steel raptor
when I checked official wiki after the update dropped it was out of date
drowsy plank
yes that is how the wiki works it takes time
you should probably check a week or two after
steel raptor
okay then what is “reworked infected remote” supposed to mean when I do not know what the rework does
steel raptor
Or really just any weapon that got reworked
drowsy plank
just check the changelogs on the wiki, stuff should be up to par now
virid vanguard got a rework
hot zephyr
the gif isn't updated tho 
drowsy plank
💀
hot zephyr
virid vanguard is now a terraprisma upgrade
steel raptor
Before terraprisma nerf wasn’t it viable up to polterghast or something stupid like that?
hot zephyr
now nobody gets to ask for the terraprisma drop change revert
and nobody gets to complain if/when terraprisma gets nerfed
steel raptor
There needs to be an indicator of some sort that informs players playing the mod for the first time that killing daytime EoL isn’t necessary to get Terraprisma in Calamity
steel raptor
imagine casuals wasting time trying to kill daytime EoL because they’re only fighting her for Terraprisma
drowsy plank
well EoL doesnt oneshot anymore i think so
steel raptor
it doesn’t?
drowsy plank
yeah no uh
steel raptor
I never tried
lucid flare
it's more of a night providence situation where she's just stronger
steel raptor
Oh it’s boss rush ai
drowsy plank
it still has the visuals tho
boss rush/malice/enrage
they're all the same thing basically
lucid flare
although, since terraprisma drops whenever i don't think fighting her at day has any use
drowsy plank
nope
drowsy plank
well
once she's ACTUALLY in BR
lucid flare
speaking of Boss Rush,
lucid flare
does providence still have TDR in boss rush
hot zephyr
you could call it enrage ig
lucid flare
because she takes some time to kill even with god (Oblatory Mythical Eternity)
drowsy plank
i dont see it in her boss rush AI changes, but she still has it at night
lucid flare
boss rush providence is still night time providence
drowsy plank
so yes
lucid flare
i mean she has the mint green projectiles and eveyrhting
drowsy plank
i do not do boss rush
lucid flare
i did it only so i can say i did it
inner anvil
well
once she's ACTUALLY in BR
(Next update).
drowsy plank
(Next update).
oh right i forgot that sugg passed
now add deerclops rev AI
inner anvil
When Fab feels like it.
drowsy plank
yeah ik, this has all been talked about already
steel raptor
Deerclops is 1.4 king slime
lucid flare
no more tier 4 slime god 
inner anvil
Did you know that AEW was going to be in Boss Rush for next update? :D
steel raptor
Deerclops’ legs have no hitbox
lucid flare
Did you know that AEW was going to be in Boss Rush for next update? :D
what do you mean was
inner anvil
Well, we tested Boss Rush with AEW at the end of Boss Rush, right?
steel raptor
Cancelled addition
drowsy plank
how much longer was it
inner anvil
And we concluded that AEW was not the greatest idea...
drowsy plank
wacky
steel raptor
Killing AeW is very unsatisfying to kill compared to Scal and Draedon
drowsy plank
oh god BR exo mechs is gonna be a pain in the ass
inner anvil
how much longer was it
Like the entire Boss Rush?
drowsy plank
yeah with AEW at the end
lucid flare
unfortunately AEW ccouldn't be put in boss rush becausee it died from the difference in water pressure between the fourth layer of the abyss and the surface
drowsy plank
i know it's already pretty fuckin long
drowsy plank
i mean i know, but exos was probably a semi-significant portion of it
inner anvil
Like 1 minute.
drowsy plank
lol
inner anvil
Dude, it's Boss Rush, everything melts except SCal.
lucid flare
(and providence)
inner anvil
(and providence)
Not that much to be fair.
lucid flare
still has TDR to prevent melting
inner anvil
IDK.
drowsy plank
BR is just the harder SCal rematch
steel raptor
Random question: are Xeroc and Statis just side characters or are they also planned bosses?
inner anvil
IDK Yharim?
drowsy plank
statis was paired with braelor, xeroc and uhhhhh noxus?? are the gods
statis and braelor were originally fed to DoG
inner anvil
Statis, Silva and Braelor were like some people IDK.
Xeroc and Noxus were actual gods.
Well, are.
drowsy plank
i imagine silva probably still matters at least a lil bit considering she was supposedly the reason for the abyss, but yeah the other two Were Around
steel raptor
So they’re all in hardcore mode yet all the other characters and bosses are in mediumcore mode
inner anvil
IDK what you mean.
drowsy plank
im pretty sure in lore things like scal rematch or the player dying are non-canon
steel raptor
hardcore = permadeath.
mediumcore = you drop items on death but you can be respawned by some sort
inner anvil
And what has that anything to do?
drowsy plank
hence the reason scal's taunts pertaining to player deaths were mostly removed i believe
drowsy plank
i mean yeah, but he was talking like player deaths were still canon, so im just bringing up a very strong piece of evidence they're not. besides the fact devs have literally just said it
cause that would be really weird and hard to explain anyway
inner anvil
IDK Lore or something.
steel raptor
So they’re all in hardcore mode yet all the other characters and bosses are in m...
This is mostly a joke because I’m relating calamity lore to mechanics introduced in vanilla terraria
lucid flare
kinda funny how several calamity armors just had lore added to them
maybe if statis didn't decide to fight the devourer of gods with pre-hardmode armor he wouldn't have died 
dry grotto
real
steel raptor
empyrean armor used to be Xeroc armor
lucid flare
remember when there was a material called draedon bars
steel raptor
what
lucid flare
draedon bars sure as hell aren't made of draedon
steel raptor
Was that old auric tesla?
dry grotto
i think so yes
steel raptor
Oh wait nope
Wiki directed me to perrenial bars…
How pathetic
draedon is weaker than xeroc
lucid flare
dry grotto
isn't draedon weaker than any boss we've fought?
lucid flare
draedon is weaker than xeroc
honestly given that you can beat "draedon" with a copper shortsword
lucid flare
yeah he's 200% brain and -100% brawn
steel raptor
Tbh I think that’s enough lore discussion for this channel
Don’t wanna mix it all up with balancing suggestions
lethal prism
damnit where did the tester go
Lore is scary
lucid flare
we fr just said "lore jumpscare" huh...
frosty trellis
i just remembered something i wanted to ask
You can always ping Ian
Also what weapon? Curious now
lucid flare
uhhh test if snake eyes is good because i've never heard of that weapon
frosty trellis
It just got buffed
And bug fixed
I can see it myself since I can grab my summoner build
lucid flare
wow i'm very good at this
hot zephyr
in the fight, draedon sends a shitty rusted old version of himself
it's just an old proxy he's got set up in case you go nuts and try and blow it up
inner anvil
uhhh test if snake eyes is good because i've never heard of that weapon
I buffed it to be at least good at Polterghast.
lucid flare
oh hey the Testers are back
inner anvil
I mean, I can go away.
lucid flare
just a small curiosity but is exo armor actually just gonna be called "exo armor"
inner anvil
IDK.
lucid flare
I mean, I can go away.
inner anvil
Bet.
bright crag
who killed statis
In old lore, Statis was eaten by DoG
Along with Braelor
bright crag
So they’re all in hardcore mode yet all the other characters and bosses are in m...
Everything is in Hardcore
Just few beings transcend death
Like Silva, who's tied to the essence of Terraria, and Yharon, who's soul-linked to Yharim
lucid flare
i remember there being lore about why the player keeps respawning
did that get scrapped
bright crag
Yeah, that's not canon
There were some SCal lines that implied it but they're gone
SCal is also on Hardcore, and she doesn't die now
frosty trellis
I buffed it to be at least good at Polterghast.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
lucid flare
3:42 uh
inner anvil
Your fault lmao.
frosty trellis
I don't know what I did wrong....?
inner anvil
Me neither.
frosty trellis
Had bewitched as well
lucid flare
that's average, right?
lucid flare
inner anvil
I like how there's people testing the summoner balance changes that I did, it's like if people didn't trust me lmao.
frosty trellis
Oh I don't trust any balance changes
inner anvil
Well, then I shall ignore.
frosty trellis
Xyk buffed Galileo and it's still bad for OD
lucid flare
MPG just asked to recommend something to test and i said snake eyes 🟡
inner anvil
LolXD I guess.
inner anvil
<@310960432909254667> <@427093633456537629> Yeah it's fine
Yeah no shit Sherlock, it's not like I tested it 10 times.
frosty trellis
LOL
lucid flare
Gaming
inner anvil
You're not proving anything.
frosty trellis
I'm proving it to Lvii
Lol
Snake eyes is definitely fine
Afaik all pre polter summon weapons are fine now
inner anvil
No shiiiit.
grim tusk
@ashen warren formatting and reasoning
ashen warren
ah alright, thank you
grim tusk
@ashen warren mention as to actually why would you think it would be a good choice rather than “i think it will be nice” (also it does upgrade across the whole game, StN -> SstN -> RtN )
Like mention how needing to get another StN can be tedious if you upgraded it into stinger necklace
ashen warren
oh i see
hollow shell
Shark Tooth Necklace is not a rare accessory
You can easily make Stinger Necklace and still have like 4 more Shark Tooth Necklaces to use for other crafts
ashen warren
yeah that's true and now that I look at it, it wasn't that good of the idea after all
drowsy plank
@coarse tartan we dont balance for multiplayer
you should remove that part, the sugg would be better without it
coarse tartan
i just kinda added that as a 2 birds with one stone thing
improve the fight and balance it for multiplayer without actually having to
hollow shell
you should remove that part, the sugg would be better without it
hrm
drowsy plank
i just kinda added that as a 2 birds with one stone thing
improve the fight and ...
"balance for multiplayer" is a bit of an undertaking rn from a technical standpoint so it might get shot down for being too much effort, and im pretty sure it's also against the rules/style guide to try and shove multiple suggestions together. you'd have more luck with two separate ones, and again, the fact MP even works at all rn is a bit of a miracle
drowsy plank
hrm
i know what you said, but i think the team kinda knows MP is garbage rn, and i feel like earlier bosses would probably be looked at first before SCal was just to even begin to try and dissect how to handle that whole issue
because terraria multiplayer code is garbo
and boss AI in multiplayer is even worse with the whole targeting system
hollow shell
That doesn't mean people can't make suggestions to improve bosses in MP or say that their suggested changes would improve MP as a benefit,
just because the testers wouldn't make it a priority on their own
Kinda defeats the point of a suggestion if so
drowsy plank
fair, i just... dont really think this sugg has anything to do with multiplayer anyway
it's just kinda
tacked on there
like it doesnt actually say how this improves the MP rather than just. improving the entire fight as a whole which like. yeah that would improve multiplayer too i guess
but just having unceremoniously slapped on the end without any real reasoning or explanation is... not the best
hollow shell
It seems that they've listened to you, it's gone now
drowsy plank
if they want to improve MP for scal i think that'd be fine as its own sugg. not that it would get a ton of traction in voting atm lmao
would kinda need to deal with respawning first
but then you get into the whole external mods thing and it's just a big mess
though, if multiplayer balancing is something that people would be more willing to deal with... maybe i could make a suggestion about adding something like better multiplayer's respawn blocking? it's kind of hard to balance an endless conga line of dudes just being thrown at a boss, even if cal is trying to move away from boss centric design
frosty trellis
@grim tusk Someone is saying crystalline stealth is op in #suggestions-posting , thoughts?
willow widget
i hate @ ing people lmao
but @bright crag mpg made me test mage, and yeah its kind really good rn on wall
bright crag
Flamelash being good wtf?
willow widget
no
bright crag
That's really weird
bright crag
Yeah but like
Flamelash was worse last time I checked
frosty trellis
Flamelash is bad what
bright crag
I didn't use those accessories for testing, I used Magnet Flower and Worm Scarf
bright crag
And I didn't use Golden Delight because realistically you wouldn't have it
frosty trellis
That's not good
frosty trellis
It's not viable
Also can just replace golden delight with rage and wrath pots
And you get a similar/same results
Since those are easily obtainable at that stage
bright crag
It's not *viable*
There's a test right here :p
If you managed to fight and survive, it is viable
frosty trellis
Lmaooooo
But the testing time says 2 minutes
If it's not around or less then it's not viable smpgh
bright crag
Not how convenient or optimal
frosty trellis
Then it ain't good
bright crag
Yeah, I never doubted that
frosty trellis
Well then if flamelash is viable so is Time Bolt Stealth on DoG because I did this no godmode
bright crag
Yeah, essentially
Viable? Yes, but barely
It might not even be viable to a casual player, because 11m DoG fight isn't the easiest
frosty trellis
I mean I find DoG a joke but okay
bright crag
I think I will need to test Mage accessories, because it's hard to tell whether they're too strong or too weak
bright crag
~~I mean I find DoG a joke but okay~~
DoG is really not
Maybe in Rev, but in Death he is certainly not
And I've only fought him in Death so far
grim tusk
<@613133259563466755> Someone is saying crystalline stealth is op in <#699359022...
Probably running glass cannon or smth, Crystaline may be a tad overtuned on EoC but on KS and DS its perfectly fine, might still nerf it but rn its not my concern (my main concern is college)
cobalt pewter
Probably running glass cannon or smth, Crystaline may be a tad overtuned on EoC ...
@modest thicket #suggestions-posting shouldn't be for balance concerns, plus you can read about crystalline here
probably better off deleting the sugg now
frosty trellis
DoG is really not
Maybe in Rev, but in Death he is certainly not
Also have you ever tried just flying straight up and adjusting as needed during the laser walls? I find that to help a lot and give me more consistency (And also bc dog is vulnerable you can punish him hard)
modest thicket
or just press the grapple button
bright crag
Also have you ever tried just *flying straight up and adjusting as needed* durin...
I dodge them by running through them
Even in Malice nohits
It's so much more fun than trying to find a gap
I'm really not a fan of the intended way to dodge laser walls
frosty trellis
I'm really not a fan of the intended way to dodge laser walls
Oh I couldn't fucking care less about the intended way
I just fucking fly straight up or up and diagonal through them and then it's fine
Especially in rev where the laser walls are harder to see and harder to dodge bc the trail lag and the timing for the 2nd wall is shit
bright crag
Same!
frosty trellis
Honestly how I dodge the laser walls are dependant on my mood. Even just dashing horizontally is fun. Just every other method than the intended one
crude geode
average testing fan being batshit insane
frosty trellis
LMAOOOOO
Nah nah nah
It's called consistency
The other methods are far more consistent
hollow shell
When is MPG going to be promoted to beta tester already
hollow shell
No idea
frosty trellis
That's what Shade told me
cobalt pewter
what too much time does to a mf
crude geode
^
bright crag
It's not relevant in a feedback sense, but...
When nohitting Malice DoG, I wasn't having fun at all, because of how it evoked what I already disliked about laser walls
Having to break momentum fast, mid-fight, and stay in the gap
Finding out that I could just keep running and dodge through the horizontal gaps made it so much more fun, it became a dynamic reaction test which didn't clash with the rest of the fight
frosty trellis
YEAH
sage drum
It's not relevant in a feedback sense, but...
When nohitting Malice DoG, I wasn...
laser walls aren't a test of your weaving, they're a test of your speed
frosty trellis
And once you get the hang of the timings you get a feel for when they are coming and can adjust accordingly
frosty trellis
laser walls aren't a test of your weaving, they're a test of your speed
Elysian wings moment
cobalt pewter
that's probably why I never had fun with dog laser walls
the intended way is bad
frosty trellis
The intended way is complete shit
sage drum
no one has ever dodged the laser wall the intended way
lucid flare
this is true
frosty trellis
A number of nohitters have
I don't give two shits
I used to try and dodge them the intended way
sage drum
it be called a hyperbowl
frosty trellis
Used too
But then I learned that the other way is just far more fun and consistent
sage drum
yeah
hollow shell
Is there a way we can edit the laser walls to encourage momentum to stay maintained?
grim tusk
Didn't fab say he doesn't want to expand the team rn?
When tf did i say that?
lucid flare
i try to dodge by the intended way and i just get hit instead
bright crag
Is there a way we can edit the laser walls to encourage momentum to stay maintai...
Honestly, having them be just horizontal tests of fitting the gaps while running is a big improvement for me
grim tusk
Also itswe are ok in numbers atm, no need to increase
sage drum
Is there a way we can edit the laser walls to encourage momentum to stay maintai...
the entire point of a laser grid is to restrict momentum, so that seems kinda hard
bright crag
Maybe you can take something away from EoL's sword walls?
They are really fun
But I must admit it is partially because EoL is a less mobile fight, so it doesn't change your momentum much
frosty trellis
Honestly, having them be just horizontal tests of fitting the gaps while running...
HONESTLY YES THOUGH
sage drum
and also the gaps are too tight to where if you do stay still, they're just infeasible to reliably dodge
grim tusk
~~average testing fan being batshit insane~~
#suggestions-discussion to #test-hq pipeline 😳
lucid flare
also the gaps are wider for eol
cobalt pewter
<#465195069406707722> to <#406493898341613568> pipeline 😳
god.
sage drum
running is a lot better to just deal with 1 axis of lasers
bright crag
<#465195069406707722> to <#406493898341613568> pipeline 😳
So true
frosty trellis
When tf did i say that?
Trying to find it and failing. It was you or someone else. I remember being told by a tester that fab doesn't want to expand the testing team rn
I forget who though
Bc someone asked about why I wasn't one already
cobalt pewter
actually would it hurt to make a testing thread in this channel? could be for both asking about weapon balance or being MPG's nest
frosty trellis
LMFAO
crude geode
mpg and xpc smh my head
grim tusk
A likely “sounds neat on paper but horrible on practice” idea
frosty trellis
Yeah fair
grim tusk
Since remember its not just the regulars here
frosty trellis
True
hollow shell
Honestly, having them be just horizontal tests of fitting the gaps while running...
Okay yeah maybe we could have
Only horizontal lasers, no more vertical ones
and
have the lasers' horizontal position be relative to the screen while the vertical position is relative to the world
Like uhh like uhhh
The Mr Oshiro chase at the end of Celeste Chapter 3
So the challenge is the same regardless of how fast you're running, so you have no reason to slow down
frosty trellis
OH THAT WOULD BE SICK
And then increase the gap between the horizontal ones
Doesn't need to be by a lot but would help it be more dynamic
cobalt pewter
dog on its way to get its 42nd rework
frosty trellis
I mean it has needed a laser wall rework for a long time
sage drum
dog on the way to make the entire fight go at mach 3
lucid flare
Okay yeah maybe we could have
Only horizontal lasers, no more vertical ones
and
...
do it right now 
frosty trellis
2.1 update: DoG is actually a good fight now!
frosty trellis
I'm sorry how are the cosmic guardians bad?
They are mostly non-existent
Unless you use something like Time Bolt or DSD stealth then
crude geode
dog on its way to get its 42nd rework
fr fr
cobalt pewter
true
crude geode
guardians are just bloat.
sage drum
step 2: re-add sentinels
frosty trellis
No
sage drum
i know
lucid flare
maybe
cobalt pewter
sentinels shouldn't be readded, but there should still be some attacks to resemble them imo
frosty trellis
Sentinels phase was lazily added and riddled with bugs
bright crag
My only other problem with DoG is body lasers in p2
Because it can get some really cheap hits, due to the pace of p2
frosty trellis
I'm going to be honest I had no idea he has body lasers prior to A God Does Not Fear Death~
cobalt pewter
like SW's storm-related attacks, CV's sucky wucky or Signus'... stealth? idk? maybe signus would need to be reworked first
bright crag
They shouldn't be there in p2, the fireballs and DoG's rams are enough of a threat
frosty trellis
Aggressive as fuck dog player moment
hollow shell
(Okay I have a cool visual in my head for how the theoretical new laser walls would look
Changing the lasers to instead be much faster slashes or mini worms
but I'll save that for the dev server)
frosty trellis
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
lucid flare
that's a cool visual
bright crag
Sure!
frosty trellis
That would be awesome
cobalt pewter
butcher Guardians into mini worms
sage drum
(Okay I have a cool visual in my head for how the theoretical new laser walls wo...
the slashes could be horizontal and the worms could be vertical maybe
hollow shell
no that would defeat the point
frosty trellis
Yeahg
hollow shell
We don't want to encourage you to slow down
cobalt pewter
but if cal's worms could stay away from the laser mindset it'd be nice
this would be a tremendous improvement towards that
sage drum
i just meant for the visuals
hollow shell
No like, there would be no verticals at all
lucid flare
but if cal's worms could stay away from the laser mindset it'd be nice
this wou...
thanatos moment
cobalt pewter
thanatos moment
beloathed
frosty trellis
Thanatos is like actually fine now thankfully
sage drum
i misread your thing earlier
lucid flare
that boy really likes its lasers
sage drum
and now that i re-read it, it sounds a LOT cooler tbh
frosty trellis
Thanatos is like actually fine now thankfully
The vulnerability openings need to become more consistent outside of solo phases but thanks to the recent tune down Thanatos isn't nearly as bad as he used to be
cobalt pewter
Deus' helix shots should be more of a thing
it's so dang cool and it's not a typical laser
lucid flare
speaking of
sage drum
Deus' helix shots should be more of a thing
deus needs more laser shotguns
lucid flare
aetherflux cannon
frosty trellis
If you are saying Aetherflux needs a buff no
lucid flare
it has helix blasts but damn i think it would look slightly cooler if they weren't just yellow
lucid flare
i mean i ended up using aetherflux for scal and void vortex for exos so
sage drum
i mean i ended up using aetherflux for scal and void vortex for exos so <:thatsh...
wait...
something's not right
frosty trellis
As of right now you use Helium Flash to turn exos into a pile of scrap metal, then you get SSV and murder SCal
Rancor got nerfed so it's worse than Helium Flash rn
sage drum
rip rancor
lucid flare
i use void vortex because it homes in
lucid flare
if i try shooting aetherflux at thanos its not gonna hit
frosty trellis
Helium Flash is dumb strong for Exos
Aetherflux takes a bit on Thanatos but even as a solo weapon it's good
grim tusk
Helium Flash + Oblatory = “perfectly “balanced””
grim tusk
Aetherflux takes a bit on Thanatos but even as a solo weapon it's good
Aetherflux is great for anything not named XM-Thanathos
cobalt pewter
cal bosses that do not use lasers in any capacity
DS
AS
SW
lucid flare
everyday i have to post the screenshot
cobalt pewter
that's a handful
grim tusk
Tf is oblatory?
Scal enchantment, broken as shit
frosty trellis
Aetherflux is great for anything not named XM-Thanathos
And brimstone hearts*
frosty trellis
Scal enchantment, broken as shit
Oh right the mage one
I mean I would say it's more worthwhile doing Exos first as mage bc of SSV
hollow shell
everyday i have to post the screenshot
This is starting to get comedic
frosty trellis
Being so good for her
And Helium flash being better than all of her drops and exhumed shit
lucid flare
i ended up ranting about oblatory in this channel and i got eternity banned from getting the oblatory enchantment so
hollow shell
Can't have any INTELLIGENTLY PICKED enchantment choices around here
lucid flare
aetherflux drained my HP meter when i used it with oblatory
oblatory eternity shredded boss rush instead
hollow shell
I spose oblatory itself requires a mechanical change to prevent exploitation from really slow weapons
Make it always use a portion of your health proportional to mana cost, instead of a chance thing, or summin'
bright crag
Oh, btw
What do you all think of Gale spam?
I have gotten complaints that it's bad, but... that doesn't add up
lucid flare
best option is to make it based of use time
hollow shell
eternity costs 6 mana <:smerk:592429987869622389>
WHY
frosty trellis
When is MPG going to be promoted to beta tester already
Sidenote I would love too if y'all would want me on the team. No worries if that's not a possibility rn or ever, just a thought
lucid flare
idk im not a dev