that accessory is going to
#suggestions-discussion
grim tusk
Boost the debuffs even more with Slime gun, Hellfire treads and fireball (and cinnamon roll post-Golem)
Also since it inflicts cursed inferno by default you could use Flask of fire or Venom (post-plant and then add evergreen gin to boost it and irradiated, could even add Lumenous amulet since that also gets boosted)
marble moat
Then add abyssal amulet to be funny
novel belfry
i want that old function back
and also the luck boost alongside it, simply cause it'd be funny
crude geode
i want that old function back
cope harder
grim tusk
Then add abyssal amulet to be funny
(Lumenous amulet is abyssal amulet’s upgrade, and no they dont stack since they apply the same debuff)
cobalt pewter
this loops back to the argument that rams are the ones that are broken
frosty trellis
It's not really the ram
Elsyian Aegis is better in literally every single way outside of the dodge chance
Better dash distance, better defensive ultility, knockback immunity, Elysian guard damage buff
cobalt pewter
I'm not gonna get back to this mess all over again
point is the ram shields are overloaded with way too much stuff
that they should be the ones nerfed
frosty trellis
I just want Statis's Ninja belt to have better stats so you can actually justify using them
Void Sash is unironically amazing for SCal and Exos
I would actually say it's better than Aegis for those two because of the dodge and better dash being far more important when the ram is inconsiquential at best
So long as you have Rampart for kb immunity
Elsyian Aegis just makes Ninja Belt completely obsolete with the defensive shit, offensive shit, and better dash distance even if you factor out the ram
frosty trellis
Yeah fair there
I still think ninja belt deserves a buff but I digress
Even if Elsyian Aegis lost Elsyian Guard and the ram you still have a better dash distance
soft quest
How well does evasion scarf fare into late game
frosty trellis
It doesn't really
small timber
I can see it work against providence and scal, thats about it
frosty trellis
Yeah fair
But that's just a niche option overall and up to you if you want to try it
Might be interesting for true melee SCal
soft quest
Idk if this relates to the current discussion but here’s my take on how I would want dash items to work
And then move around stats
And add on
But I guess that doesn’t really solve a bigger issue of like, ankh items and 6271 buffs on one of the 3 dashes
crude geode
just balance more dashes :clueless:
kindred creek
is suggesting to remove a boss allowed?
cobalt pewter
is suggesting to remove a boss allowed?
go on
try it
(no I am not trying to mislead)
:clue
soft quest
it's not vanilla Frozen Shield
Whatever it’s called
But 1 defensive with a guard mode or something, 1 ram based to null contact damage with skilled timing, and one movement based with a built in 90s dodge
Would be very cool
And then I’d honestly say take the ankh shield out of the asguards valor and give it to the frozen one, then give all these options KB resist
drowsy plank
is suggesting to remove a boss allowed?
what boss cause like, MINIboss, gss? yeah i think that'd be cool. literally anything else? no.
small timber
we dont need to have accessories that are already have its role filled by other accessory
particularly the movement based on
to certain degree ninja gear line already filled that despite not being a shield
soft quest
to certain degree ninja gear line already filled that despite not being a shield
I’m saying use the ninja gear line,
small timber
defensive guard mode shield can be problematic if available earlier, particularly that calamity is actively discouraging face tanking
so either the guard mode need to come with a downside or the defensive stat it give need to get watered down a lot
soft quest
Keep ninja and asguard and add a 3rd utility/defense shield and then tweak all of their stats
small timber
(and on that sense defense is much more effective against HM bosses that generally have less stat bloat)
soft quest
Not saying to add 3 more shields on top of what we already have
True defense is hard to balance
small timber
why do we need a third line is the problem
soft quest
But I honestly think defense damage makes face tanking impossible
small timber
we dont need to have shields to fill every roles that any accessory can fill, especially that it is already filled
crude geode
But I honestly think defense damage makes face tanking impossible
yes that's the point
soft quest
why do we need a third line is the problem
We don’t, but i think it would be awesome for more diversity from just 1 viable dash item and ninja gear
I’m not gonna suggest it in posting though
small timber
but why do we need to have more dash items? because there is really no reason for diversity in it
swift wharf
counter scarf line
small timber
or rather, what does a 3rd line of dash item really brings
outside of for diversity, which can be very subjective
soft quest
but why do we need to have more dash items? because there is really no reason fo...
They are 100% essential for one of your accessory slots
swift wharf
I just gave you the third line 😭😭
soft quest
So EVERY single game of calamity you play its, oh yeah here’s my 2 (or a 3rd one that gets outclassed stupidly fast) options
I hate games that lock you into kinda doing small choices
swift wharf
oh yeah there's also shield bonking
small timber
what will the 3rd line do? dash longer? dash shorter? have rams similar to asgard's valor? etc etc
we already have valor filling the contact damage avoidance, ninja gear for the mobility aspect (kinda), and to certain degree evasion scarf for projectiles
soft quest
I hate games that lock you into kinda doing small choices
That’s why I like terraria
small timber
what will the 3rd line be?
swift wharf
there are 4 lines we live in a society
crude geode
A single dot is not a line
soft quest
what will the 3rd line do? dash longer? dash shorter? have rams similar to asgar...
Valor should be tweaked to drop the ankh and guard abilities and become more focused on what it’s good at, the ram ability to avoid contact damage. Give what it lost to the 3rd line as well as some counter strike ability and I think that would be cool
1 defense, 1 agility, 1 offense
small timber
so we just have a shield that say "I have knockback immune + dash use me please"?
crude geode
This is getting offtopic considering you’re not gonna suggest this officially
soft quest
so we just have a shield that say "I have knockback immune + dash use me please"...
No, every dash should have KB immunity because player knock back is a fucking retarded mechanic
soft quest
This is getting offtopic considering you’re not gonna suggest this officially
True, I’ll stop now
small timber
because ankh shield's main function is really knockback immune, so the 3rd line you said will really just be useful for that (assuming valor have its kb immune removed)
(and of course, a proper guard mode ability will be hard to balance, in this case abit contradicting just like elysian aegis, where you have an effect that encourage staying still while also is a mobility item, which is why elysian guard is not really used)
but ya I will stop here
frosty trellis
So then it gets completely fucked because Rampart exists should that happen
crude geode
Should probably bring up the dodge or something MPG
Or at least address it in your suggestion
considering it’s a pretty big benefit already, or at least balanced around it being one
radiant meadow
@mystic ingot a little late cuz it's just about to get posted but uhhh proficiency won't be around much longer to do such a thing :)
so the suggestion is never coming to fruition
mystic ingot
Dang, may I ask why proficiency is being removed? I'm curious
grim tusk
Balance monstrosity among other stuff
distant gyro
caught between a rock and a hard place
radiant meadow
We felt that the mechanic discouraged class switching which we didn't like, it also had effects on balance testing (e.g. to test with or without proficiency).
The mechanic was also very unnoticeable for most players in general and didn't provide enough to the Terraria experience to warrant keeping.
minus the fireworks that show up every time you level up that is
probably something else too but this is the gist of it
swift wharf
proficiency is so funny
it "discourages class switching" while doing pretty much jackshit
radiant meadow
yes
swift wharf
the feature ever
radiant meadow
it has some adverse effects on balancing though
especially the big boy damage items like amr and tyranny's end
distant gyro
it would discourage class switching if it was buffed
which is the most popular suggestion from the average player
radiant meadow
it discourages class switching to anyone who sees "oh I have level 10 melee"
and doesn't bother seeing it's like +4% dmg
I don't necessarily disagree with the mechanic, but it doesn't fit Terraria very well and definitely did not need to be buffed
swift wharf
nooo my 2% extra crit 😭
small timber
6% MOVEMENT SPEED
it is 1% BETTER than corrosive spine
hollow shell
@frosty trellis Not the best phrasing on your suggestion I think
Right now you're just complaining that a post-Prov acc is better than a post-ML acc
cobalt pewter
it "discourages class switching" while doing pretty much jackshit
especially now that 1.4.4 tmod is near the horizon and players can just hotkey different class loadouts
frosty trellis
The point I'm trying to get across was trying to extend the lifespan of the ninja belt because once you get Elysian Aegis it's completely obsolete
cobalt pewter
yeah prof dying is perfect
frosty trellis
How would I reword that then because I'm not too sure
hollow shell
I expected you to have brought up the advantages of a ram versus dodge chance
for Valor
frosty trellis
Ahhhh
hollow shell
comaprison
cobalt pewter
minus the fireworks that show up every time you level up that is
can we have the fireworks be applied randomly in the surface sky during Lantern Nights?
I think they look neat and don't deserve to die with the system
or just be their own item, since fireworks item are a thing I think?
hollow shell
I am pretty sure the proficiency fireworks are just the vanilla ones with no modifications
cobalt pewter
.....far
drowsy plank
amazing
tho as a random unrelated change it would be cool if random fireworks spawned during a party or latern night regardless i think
cobalt pewter
I would look dumb if they have actually removed these
but anyways, I also had the idea of ripping the teleportation part out of these 2 accessories and stuffed it into a shellphone upgrade in 1.4.4
but it is not time for such suggestions yet
crude geode
Is the jungle/dungeon that far away from the oceans that it needs an additional upgrade for that
cobalt pewter
probably not
hot zephyr
man I wish the shell phone didn't require grinding out the useless fishing guide
drowsy plank
i dont think there's anything systematically wrong with angler quests at their core but oh my god why is that the only way to get so many items
devout shell
Fr
drowsy plank
why not let half of the angler quest items be fished up or something
would be nice if fishing potions like
actually dropped from fishing crates
man that's reminding me of my potion overhaul sugg that died in voting a while back
lucid flare
considering u can get them from grinding desert scourge i do not think they're necessary
drowsy plank
tbf while i think it's good they drop from DS, AS, and Levi and Ani, they still don't drop everything, and it is just kinda funny they do. like i said, it would make sense if fishing actually gave you the resources to do more fishing. they already give you extra bait via crates lmao
hot zephyr
dnc about DS i'm talking about vaniller
safe oasis
"this enemy sucks it is not flashy enough and isn't in hote"
frosty trellis
Aftershock is the best melee weapon for first mech destroyer so I am going to stop you right there
Also if the drops aren't good have you tried pinging testers?
Also isn't slag magnum actually pretty decent?
It's just the spear that isn't rly worthwhile unless I'm mistaken
small timber
just wait until 2050 where the earth elemental rework™️ comes through
small timber
cloud elemental got a small rework one day it will be earth elemental's turn, soon™️
half sage
ever since the change where earth elementals now stay neutral until players get close to them or attack them I have not seen a single earth elemental in game
solid skiff
watch as haters try to defend earth ele
~~we should also remove heart of the elementals or rework it so it's not trash! ~~
gray nebula
gray nebula
people overrate minibosses
MIDni bosses
thats cfuz cals minibosses are for the most part mid as fuck
solid skiff
why bother making mini bosses good if you can save quality for bosses
gray nebula
god
oomfie u have me teetering on the edge
no truthbombs shall be dropped here unfortunately
hollow shell
Oh boy another suggestion that uses poorly balanced weapons as part of its reasoning
Only partly though
swift wharf
thats cfuz cals minibosses are for the most part mid as fuck
and so is vanilla's
Actually I am deranged and for some reason that there was a category for minibosses in the wiki that aren't event bosses
hollow shell
Indeed
Because, we wanted to give strong enemies a special designation, I guess
(Vanilla has several close equivalents, particularly Biome Mimics and Sand Elementals, but there's no strict criteria separating them from other enemies so the vanilla wiki can't do much to categorize them)
hollow shell
Ah yes Dreadnautilus is even more of an example
gray nebula
dreadnautilus is mibiboss but cool
drowsy plank
me when when the enemy doesn't drop a weapon that upgrades into the super poop scoop 8000 (it is pointless and should be removed)
swift wharf
wiping 99% of cal enemies
drowsy plank
i dont even get it EEs drops are actually some of the more actually fucking unique weapons in the game
another common equishark L
devout shell
Paladin is a miniboss?
drowsy plank
i mean in cal it gets a health bar
devout shell
Lmao didnt know that
Kinda funny considering how small it is and the multitudes of other, more cancerous skeletons like the d i a b o l i s t
drowsy plank
can we put arid artifact back on him i hate getting fucking ancient cloth on god
paladin is small?
devout shell
I mean, relatively?
drowsy plank
it's like twice your height
and ive been sniped by palis more than id like to admit
they're pretty threatening
devout shell
Yeah, but in vanilla i kinda just raze my way through the dungeon paying no mind
Except for the stupid explosion shooting diabolists, screw those guys
drowsy plank
lmao
devout shell
They nerfed the necromancer in 1.4.4 though
It takes forever to charge up its attack now
When before it was just “BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM two second cooldown BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM”
drowsy plank
yeah lmao
devout shell
Those guys are honestly much more threatening than the paladin, which is just a tank tbh
spring saffron
Earth elemental has a cool design and weapons but it just floats toward you
slate turtle
Dreadnautilus is really cool it's just hard to appreciate its fight with the blood moon constantly spamming enemies, in vanilla atleast.
I haven't fought it in calamity though
gray nebula
i dont even get it EEs drops are actually some of the more actually fucking uniq...
whaa
gray nebula
draednaultius sucks so hard
idc its ogt distinct attacks
hot zephyr
distinctly fucking boring
cal's minibosses aren't great but uhh dreadnautilus isn't exactly the shining example
gray nebula
o but its got
real potential
maybe its unfair or bad to figjht but like its trying
earth ele is "throw rock"
hot zephyr
yea
earth elemental has aged poorly
i'd put the acid rain minibosses on a similar tier as dreadnaut tho
gray nebula
theres one miniboss thats awesome .. but not int he mod yet
😈
words cannot express how sorry i am
swift wharf
is it the autosmith
gray nebula
weak
swift wharf
rework it instead 
swift wharf
iban making the coolest enemy ever only for it to die in 3 blade of grass hits
swift wharf
puzzling
drowsy plank
earth ele is also cool as fuck conceptually
simply make a cnid level remake for him too 
cobalt pewter
if I can't get my exo balls no one gets to suggest exo anything
(I was joking but like
melee has enough exo weapons already)
crude geode
^
fossil finch
CRYING
serene tendon
(I was joking but like
melee has enough exo weapons already)
Melee only has one, the Exoblade (Exo Gladius got removed, remember). Ranger and Mage both have 2.
serene tendon
Oh yeah completely forgot about the magnamoly
fossil finch
melee has enough wapons already the
crude geode
Flowers of Mortality doesn't have an exo upgrade
serene tendon
melee has enough wapons already the
It does have a lot, but most of them are swords and yoyos
fossil finch
(also ele shiv wasnt removed
crude geode
also ele blaster
serene tendon
(also ele shiv wasnt removed
I know, I was talking about its upgrade
serene tendon
also nadir shouldn't be in that recipe
I am aware of the donor rule and it makes sense to me, I was just throwing it out there as a possibility
fossil finch
why are you throwing a possibility that is not possib
crude geode
^^^^
serene tendon
why are you throwing a possibility that is not possib
I wasn't sure if simply making a weapon a material counted, or it was just changes to the function.
fossil finch
anyways i guess it doesn't matter anyways
the only invalid thing the sugg does it has kinda peepoo reasoning
hot zephyr
EXO FLAIL GAMING
crude geode
so true
serene tendon
Flowers of Mortality doesn't have an exo upgrade
Yeah it does, Vivid Clarity, right?
serene tendon
So is the other one?
serene tendon
My bad I was confusing it with something else
fossil finch
the only invalid thing the sugg does it has kinda peepoo reasoning
(because the only reasoning there is is wrong)
crude geode
ye
cobalt pewter
EXO FLAIL GAMING
no one gets exo anything until I get my exo balls :death
serene tendon
(because the only reasoning there is is wrong)
Every viable subclass with an elemental weapon also has an exo version, except the spear.
swift wharf
👴
serene tendon
The reasoning is for consistancy
fossil finch
what
swift wharf
aote:
fossil finch
that's not true what the fuck
fossil finch
there's no exo gun
swift wharf
^
hot zephyr
exo whip
fossil finch
exo whip sobbing
serene tendon
there's no exo gun
Ik, but there's no elemental gun either
crude geode
elemental blaster
crude geode
no?
crude geode
that's elemental eruption
fossil finch
two different things
swift wharf
💀
crude geode
did you look at the wiki before making this sugg
swift wharf
did you even touch the mod
fossil finch
anyways its still kinda peepoo reasoning to only cite consistency
(and then moving the goalpost from consistency to subclasses with elemental weapons having an exo version
hot zephyr
Magnomaly Cannon
crude geode
so true
fossil finch
it's not an exo gun shut the fuck up
swift wharf
that's exo smth
swift wharf
doesn't need one
crude geode
exactly
swift wharf
swift wharf
terra tier numba tres
fossil finch
anyways if we're adding another exo melee make it melee fist
swift wharf
TRUE
serene tendon
did you look at the wiki before making this sugg
I did, apparently I missed some stuff
fossil finch
me battling yharim with the funny rainbow gauntlet (weapon) (made out of phosphor and idk
swift wharf
ko-cannon
hollow shell
Funny wacky Elemental Blaster
fossil finch
anyways the conclusion is that you need more reason than consistency because its not consistency at all even without that in mind
swift wharf
I loved when ark of the elements became exoblade in avengers 4
fossil finch
anyways let me post this one so i save if for if i actually need it later
Sadly people don't actually make suggs like these anymore they just say add item
crude geode
god
swift wharf
I feel targeted 😭😭😭
serene tendon
anyways the conclusion is that you need more reason than consistency because its...
Considering there are other exceptions I was unaware of I guess the sugg is kinda untrue
arctic tapir
anyways let me post this one so i save if for if i actually need it later
Sadly ...
they should add it though hes right
serene tendon
anyways let me post this one so i save if for if i actually need it later
Sadly ...
That's cause a rule was made about it
right?
fossil finch
did you need to reply ping me in 2 distinct messages separated by less than a minute
swift wharf
literally
fossil finch
wdym v4 Nerf sobbing
hollow shell
There have been a few SIS's posted more recently that needed to be exclam'd
Not a lot tho, single line suggs are far more common among the invalids
crude geode
yeah
serene tendon
you'd be surprised
I looked through the rules and saw one against weapon suggs that were too in-depth
swift wharf
fire writing gif
I'm gonna make a SIS in the dev feedback channel 
crude geode
sounds about right
fossil finch
<:1984:829522879426592810> I'm gonna make a SIS in the dev feedback channel <:Cl...
submit exoltl
serene tendon
Considering there are other outliers that need it more, which causes my entire reasoning to fall apart, I think I'll take down the sugg. Unless you all think I shouldn't?
hollow shell
Mewk you can just edit the sugg to mention Blaster
hollow shell
"They both need Exos but I'll just take em one at a time, starting with the spear"
or summin
fossil finch
rover isn't that
frosty trellis
Yeah but ark of the elements is an element weapon and that doesn't have an exo upgrade 
fossil finch
isn't that literally a don't
drowsy plank
me when
when we get more rogue elemental weapons and they will also not have exo weapons 
fossil finch
it's referencing an hypothetical future sugg that may or may not pass
which is like referencing an hypothethical previous sugg that may or may not pass
serene tendon
"They both need Exos but I'll just take em one at a time, starting with the spea...
But there's also Flowers of Mortality, and this isn't the order I'd prefer they be implemented anyways.
crude geode
Mewk you can just edit the sugg to mention Blaster
there's more inconsistencies you'd have to fix rover
fossil finch
also yeah like magnomaly cannon not having an elemental
serene tendon
~~Yeah but ark of the elements is an element weapon and that doesn't have an exo...
Despite the name, I've never thought of it as one lol. Must be to do with the different recipe and its use in AotC
fossil finch
well it is an element weapon
frosty trellis
Despite the name, I've never thought of it as one lol. Must be to do with the di...
Yeah that was the joke
drowsy plank
mewk if you want ele spear to have a less awful upgrade you could always just
ask the donor to move nadir
frosty trellis
Nadir needs a buff
hollow shell
Hmm yes
fossil finch
donors can't be auric or exo
fossil finch
oh lmao supernova also doesn't have an elemental
hollow shell
Not just ele weps with no exo upgrades
but also exo weapons which don't use elemental weps in their recipes
serene tendon
donors can't be auric or exo
Huh, I thought they just couldn't be Shadowspec Tier
fossil finch
they eventually got restricted to only pre yharon iirc
before being canned altogether
drowsy plank
that explains why there's so much shit clogged at DoG tier at least...
serene tendon
Anyways I think I'll delete the sugg, I gtg now anyway
fossil finch
(yharon and exo are the same thing for the practical point donors were donated for
frosty trellis
Speaking of suggestions that reminds me that I need to rewrite my Statis's Ninja belt one since I can make that so much better
fossil finch
no there's a lot of shit clogged at dog tier because most of that shit was post yharon 1 and 2 before lmfao
drowsy plank
what about thaumatic chair
fossil finch
vanit
drowsy plank
but it IS auric
frosty trellis
Ataraxia is donor and is Auric tier 
drowsy plank
lmfao it was added like last update
world's hardest to program chair
that would be so fucking funny
fossil finch
your joke isnt funny sorry,.,.
backlogs are a real thing devs everywhere have to deal with
more respect 4 devs,.,.,.
crude geode
no bc they didn't implement 500+ references to ultrakill and only made (two) ONE reference
drowsy plank
frankly the devs should have added every single ultrakill weapon
hot zephyr
ataraxia, dragon pow, NR, are all items added back before ye olde rules were added
crude geode
figures that NR would cause a rule regarding it
ruby plover
earth elementals ain't bloat lol
i mean, i think they are neat
and the argument of their weapons being redundant could be fought with: buff/rebalance their drops
honestly, even if it had no drops, i would still like it to be in the mod
big enemies that are rarer, but harder, than the main hordes, are what i enjoy
the biome mimics in question:
hollow shell
@kindred creek Weapon balancing/performance is weak reasoning for any suggestion
ruby plover
not every enemy needs some big ol purpose
unless its some random thing that poses no threat whatsoever, and gives literally nothing in return
like the uhhhh... phantom debris, whas it? is that still in the mod?
hollow shell
<@362319277900038144> Weapon balancing/performance is weak reasoning for any sug...
because balancing is a constant occurrence
Can change significantly in a single patch
and the change itself is very easy to do (edit one single number)
Now, if you think the weapons are boring and don't have potential
That is a different story, and would be better to use as reasoning for a solution like this
kindred creek
Y’all are really still debating my suggestion from 9 hours ago💀
ruby plover
...as is the purpose of this channel
hollow shell
(I made a comment about this closer to when you posted it but I made the mistake of not pinging you)
ruby plover
also, time zones
so
hollow shell
And yes that is literally the purpose of this channel
Once it gets past 24 hours and transferred to voting or deleted, then you have some right to complain about it being brought up
because nothing can be done about it at that point
9 hours is very reasonable though
(if you're still reading this then you should edit the suggestion)
crude geode
If you want someone to actually edit their sugg you might want to exclaim it
hollow shell
Yes I shall cuz it's Equinox
crude geode
Ye lmao
ruby plover
oof
frosty trellis
Deleting my suggestion for now to repost but with much better reasoning
hollow shell
aighty
minor shell
i have a couple of gripes about eol, wanted to know if anyone feels as if theyre fair or if im just tilted
hollow shell
In multiplayer, EoL can be horseshit
But in singleplayer it is quite doable, she's very much designed for a low-movement precise-dodging playstyle
imo
cobalt pewter
aside from the weird decision of bringing back the normal mode attack, Rev+ EoL is fine single player
small timber
Only the trail
cobalt pewter
trail seems to already have less damage the further it is
hollow shell
Okay yeah the trail hitbox is wack
frosty trellis
The star trails having a hitbox is the worst
cobalt pewter
at least on cal
small timber
It sacrifice visual clarity for appealing visual for that particular qttack
cobalt pewter
it could be shortened for sure
just cut the hitbox to when the trail starts fading
or shorter
i forgot how it looks like
small timber
trail seems to already have less damage the further it is
My take is if an attack is almost cannot be visually trackable it should not deal damage, not just deal less damage
Currently the end of the trail is extremely blurry but deal damage regardless
hollow shell
I would be fine with any length as long as the boundary between hitbox and non-hitbox is clearer than it currently is
But yeah otherwise
fine fight
minor shell
my biggest gripe is the grid lance attack. the fact that it has no warning whatsoever seems a tad unfair to me, especially since its "harder" counterpart (dogs grid lasers) can be predicted/have warning.
small timber
The other issue with eol is, well, trail again, for phase 2
For phase 1 you can stay perfectly within yhe trail while dodging the other attacks, Phase 2 you just have to run away from the trail
crude geode
@inner dew talk about suggs in here
inner dew
Alright
hollow shell
indeed
small timber
Oh right eol do have a grid laser
Since eol cycle through random attack pattern I forgot about it
hollow shell
I don't remember enough about the specifics of that attack
Can't recall how quickly the attack begins
small timber
It just happen randomly (and instantly) iirc
Basically just like dog except if dog dont turn invisible before grid lasers
minor shell
i have a video if youd like to see
royal tapir
It's not grids
They only come from one direction, and only go horizontal or diagonal down
small timber
(I mean eol have a lot of lasers so it is mostly just to prevent confusion)
royal tapir
Hmm, I feel sword walls would be a better way to describe it
minor shell
wiki calls them ethereal lance
royal tapir
Yeah, that's the projectile
The thing is, that projectile is used for other attacks
minor shell
fair enough. although i think tying them to dogs grid attack helps clarify which one it is
i digress. i just think they come in with much too little a warning. especially since they can occur while projectiles from previous attacks still linger.
royal tapir
That's just an EoL issue in general tbh
minor shell
not really an issue with other attacks since other attacks dont demand you to stay still.
"stay still" used a bit harshly. my point is you cant effectively run away from this attack, so lingering projectiles are much much more of a threat
royal tapir
I mean, I don't feel you necessarily have to go slow for it, especially considering that the first wall is always horizontal, so you can run a bit more if you must
@hollow shell Unrelated to this convo, but can you change my nickname to Atlantis Man
minor shell
I mean, I don't feel you necessarily *have* to go slow for it, especially consid...
i guess i cant really argue with that especially since that was my current solution to the issue
royal tapir
Very well
hollow shell
Like that or the whole thing?
royal tapir
cobalt pewter
that one attack is my biggest pet peeve about Rev+ EoL
apparently it existed in normal mode but just didn't on expert up in vanilla
and cal brought it back for Rev+ (?)
barren chasm
Well what's the right one?
half sage
speaking of this suggestion, why is the boss HP config still a thing? cal has been moving away from niche bloat difficulty like IH and defiled, so it still being a thing feels off
small timber
spectre rifle is literally spectre staff but ranger
as in, they literally use the same projectile
agile solstice
spectre rifle is literally spectre staff but ranger
the spectre rifle really that good?
small timber
it is one of the most boring way you can make a weapon
and the weapon is only good because of a bug caused by 1.4 too
small timber
the spectre rifle really that good?
because of a bug, it deals like 3x the damage it is supposed to deal
(or more like an oversight/double buff from both calamity buff and 1.4 vanilla buff)
barren chasm
I hate this mods decisions/j
small timber
(also finally no more funny flask debuff, at least I dont have to make the lesser flask debuff suggestion or whatever now)
now just remove shattering...
small timber
the closest thing is maybe make bosses scale their damage number slightly in multiplayer (to account for the fact that player total hp value is multiplied + infinite respawn)
but ya a damage multiplier slider is like, why
eventually it will just be "JUST NOHIT LOL", unlike boss hp multiplier where at worst bosses take longer (which can be needed for multiplayer)
hot zephyr
just play in fucking expert mode
or any of the billion vanilla seeds they added in 1.4.4 that do the same thing
drowsy plank
lmfao
hollow shell
@eager jungle Was Death+Master(+FTW) too easy for you, then?
sorry if that is phrased a bit rudely
but uh yeah boss health and boss damage are not a perfect correlation
Health basically equates to the length of a fight, and that's the reason the config exists, for if people spec into a really strong build but still want to have boss fights of respectable length
They don't wanna shred but they don't wanna handicap themselves either
Boss damage does not have that same correlation
small timber
to my knowledge full warding is so good that it totally hold ups at master + death (of course you still have to dodge reasonably)
it is only master + death + ftw where it start to hurt too much
tldr warding problem I think imo iirc, especially with the increased regen softcap I think defense need to be somewhat nerfed tbh
(and this comes from someone who use full warding all the time)
drowsy plank
just install nycros at a certain point lmfao
grim tusk
Just find a mod that can boost boss dmg even higher
hollow shell
The real answer is Just No-Hit because bosses in DeathMasterFTW already 2-shot you a lotta the same
crude geode
Surprised you haven’t exclaimed it rover
eager jungle
<@913000202133180436> Was Death+Master(+FTW) too easy for you, then?
Yes
eager jungle
The real answer is Just No-Hit because bosses in DeathMasterFTW already 2-shot y...
Good point
crude geode
Play infernum
hollow shell
Surprised you haven’t exclaimed it rover
Yes I probably should
It is more likely that we will remove the HP config than we will add a new similar one
blazing kettle
at this point just hire the infernum devs and add infernum!!1!
eager jungle
Yes I probably should
It is more likely that we will remove the HP config than w...
Like a damage reduction buff or something?
hollow shell
No sorry I should have phrased that more clearly
Implementing your suggestion, for a boss damage config, is unlikely
Us just removing the boss hp config is more likely
eager jungle
Oh
hollow shell
Based on the direction that Calamity has been heading
Moving no-hit and defiled to a separate mod
removing IH
removing Malice
We've turned against "difficultymaxxing" as time went on
eager jungle
Makes sense
safe oasis
Implementing your suggestion, for a boss damage config, is **unlikely**
Us just ...
no but multiplayer playthroughs :(
i use that config a lot for mp
keen zodiac
same why does ravager die in two seconds
crude geode
It’s scaling was always indeed wack
golden kayak
Earth ele drops are useless vs me using aftershock 
golden tulip
or any of the billion vanilla seeds they added in 1.4.4 that do the same thing
what lmao
ian needlessly hating on vanilla #300
hot zephyr
but I like vanilla
i just think FTW and zenith are lame when they're capable of making cooler seeds (remix, trap seed)
crude geode
Imagine being able to criticize something while still enjoying it
golden kayak
i just think FTW and zenith are lame when they're capable of making cooler seeds...
Remix is so pog
hot zephyr
i literally have dumped 30 hours into my remix world in the last week and a half and I have yet to beat plantera
if I hated vanilla I wouldn't be able to stand this mod, because in the end I'm still booting up terraria :p
but yeah, I definitely end up sounding needlessly aggressive
cobalt pewter
remix is definitely the most well made seed in vanilla yet
lyric halo
this suggestion now. lol, rip this person
cobalt pewter
towers beyond everything else
lyric halo
i still need to try some of the secret seeds tbh. might try the legendary seed whenever 1.4.4 tmod comes out and i can get magicstorage
cobalt pewter
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/1026707365996...
it's needless complications to treasure bag code when you can just
fight them again
cobalt pewter
it's already hinted so when the sugg was first created
cobalt pewter
so I don't really sympathetize
distant gyro
if you wanted to commit to a class sure it's a good change
if you didn't or wanted to swap at some point it's a nightmare
hot zephyr
want to break away?
DIE 
similar suggestions to it have also been denied
it's a neat idea in concept but once you start thinking about it for awhile it kinda unravels
what was meant to be quality of life can turn to an annoyance quickly
lyric halo
like i do get where theyre coming from, but i think something like that would only work as an option
and then what would even be the point
crude geode
I think it’s symptomatic of a larger “problem”, (I.e. a boss not being easier after you’ve defeated it once and proven you can do it) but I also can’t label any specific bosses where it’s a problem off the top of my head
lyric halo
the only real problem is luck tbh
hot zephyr
in like 99% of the time you'll get at least one upgrade to make refights easier
crude geode
Yeah
lyric halo
and that isnt something you can really influence so
if you're unlucky you're unlucky and that's just how it is
but regardless proficiency is dead so lol
thorn dock
Thoughts about removing the cant regenerate life on Omega blue ND giving it base negative life regen instead?
small timber
to make it even close to the original level of the downside, it will cause you to massively degen on most build
in other case, if the degen is too low it becomes free, because the rest of the set is unironically extremely powerful, the no regen is the only thing holding it back (as it should for being a massive downside)
cobalt pewter
Omega Blue is no*hitter armor
golden tulip
remix is definitely the most well made seed in vanilla yet
which one is remix
the upside down seed?
blazing kettle
i thinl thats the getfixedboi seed
golden tulip
yeah but which one is that
blazing kettle
the everyething seed
golden tulip
oh
distant gyro
remix is upside down
blazing kettle
oh
golden tulip
yea upside down is very cool
blazing kettle
fucg
distant gyro
zenith / everything / getfixedboi includes remix
as a part of the "everything" experience
golden tulip
life crystal boulders 
blazing kettle
yeah
i wonder how much of the time making the update was spent on just those two seeds
ruby plover
if you read the changelogs, i can assume not a lot of time in comparison to the other things
fucking fatass list
blazing kettle
sorry, im still processing how much stuff was changed in this update
hot zephyr
1.4.4 is massive
frail mantle
Remix honestly feels a bit weird cause outside of the don’t starve seed it’s like the only non-meme seed
There seems to be genuine effort put into making the seed feel like a legit different experience as opposed to ftw’s lava pools on the surface and skeletron ddos’ing your arena
cobalt pewter
that is true
golden tulip
kinda makes sense
i wouldnt want very cool epic changes to only be on a single seed
though something like the upside down seed is very cool and good
cobalt pewter
and remix hell is a significant upgrade from base and drunk hells because it's actually usable for wof without massive terraforming
of course if you started your base in remix hell (which is gonna be 99% of the time), you might need to move your NPCs before the WoF fight
but yea
golden tulip
what does drunk hell do?
cobalt pewter
drunk flips the generation of hell, from empty sides and packed center to practically lava only on the center and the houses on the sides
golden tulip
br
cobalt pewter
remix is this but the middle actually has something to stand on
golden tulip
and 1.4.4 made pretty cool hell gen changes in all worlds too
the trees and such
crags gets owned
(is it on roughly the same place? will crags get moved a bit?)
frail mantle
i'd assume the new crags will override the new hell gen on one edge of the world
cause as far as i've understood it the new hell gen is only towards the edges of the world
golden tulip
ok so vanilla hell gen will get owned, in time (also crags) 
swift wharf
shouldn't the suggestion about proficiency and treasure bags be removed
small timber
oh it didnt get flagged
@hollow shell #suggestions-voting message (the proficiency suggestion got through but proficiency is removed)
tardy smelt
i just think FTW and zenith are lame when they're capable of making cooler seeds...
I do wonder what the trap seed experience is like
frigid hawk
Damn whats wrong with mage class
It does no sense to play as mage
U deal like 6k dmg
Whole game
frail mantle
i'm gonna be real with you chief i do not believe you deal 6k damage per second throughout the whole game
rotund tree
Whole game
"whole game" = postML now ?
frail mantle
this suggestion mainly feels like you just saying mage is too weak and never really backing it up
frigid hawk
"whole game" = postML now ?
Yh post-dog
Elemental ray deals like the same damage as post-dog weapons
frail mantle
if you think certain weapons should be buffed you can refer to the pins for a list of testers to ping for balance related suggestions
frigid hawk
if you think certain weapons should be buffed you can refer to the pins for a li...
No, man, like a lot mage weapons should be buffed
~6k dps from so much weapons
Or below
Or a bit above
frail mantle
then tell the testers that
balance suggestions don't need to go through the suggestions system because that'd imply you'd need the public's approval to fix a weapon over- or underperforming
frigid hawk
The only reason to play as mage is worm-bosses cause u melt them but ofc expect DoG u also deal to him 6k dps
inner anvil
frigid hawk
https://tenor.com/view/fuck-my-life-castlevania-trevor-belmont-disappointed-let-...
Hello
small timber
are you sure your entire "weapon around DoG" is not just ghastly visage and fate's reveal?
small timber
"every mage weapon is 6k dps"
frail mantle
swift wharf
I do wonder what the trap seed experience is like
today I will break the life crystal
half sage
are you sure your entire "weapon around DoG" is not just ghastly visage and fate...
cue the ghastly visage taking almost 6 minutes to get DOG to just above half health.jpeg
inner anvil
You're literally telling me to test all of Post-ML Mage.
small timber
are you sure your entire "weapon around DoG" is not just ghastly visage and fate...
because if it is literal this case, yes, this 2 are indeed, funny 6k dps mage weapons
half sage
today I will break the life crystal
<:Clueless:895938729275957288>
mfw an offscreen enemy is spawning wraiths 
small timber
the rest I will assume you literally dont have any mage damage buffs on and no mana regen to come even close to 6k dps
swift wharf
mfw an offscreen enemy is spawning wraiths <a:fear:585549262709063681>
shit is SCARY
a devil killed me and my tombstone killed it back
frigid hawk
You're literally telling me to test all of Post-ML Mage.
Actually is Dark Spark, Phantasmal Fury, Venusian Trident, Vitriolic Viper, Aether's Whisper, Purge Guzzler deals around 6k, (and all weapons below like yk deals about 2-3k damage i mean pre-providence expect elemental ray that also deals 6k damage)
Yh like post-ml mage weapons are deals below 6k expect elemental-ray pre-providence and post-polter/post-dog it also deals like 6k
So basically even post-polter i still was using elemental ray cause basically its more usable than half post-polter weapons
inner anvil
Dark Spark's already dealing 20k DPS, so that's a no.
swift wharf
frigid hawk
Dark Spark's already dealing 20k DPS, so that's a no.
9k on dummy, 4k on dog
So no
Its not
inner anvil
20k on DoG.
frigid hawk
20k on DoG.
Adrenaline only
inner anvil
I cannot use Adrenaline.
frigid hawk
4k on dog or a bit more if he`s in circle
gilded scroll
i feel like someone smoking something, no way in hell Dark Spark isnt effective on DoG
inner anvil
So you either have like Pre-Boss gear or you're playing Infernum.
I said Infernum because it was funny.
drowsy plank
hey @frosty trellis can you post your yharon mage weapon times. that tier has actual problems but i guess mobile doesnt let you post files anymore except images LMAO
frigid hawk
i feel like someone smoking something, no way in hell Dark Spark isnt effective ...
Cause u deals like no damage to it segments so yh phantsmal fury as same effective as dark spark cause it auto-aim to its head so phantsmal fury as same effective as dark spark
About 6k damage
inner anvil
Well, I am telling you that is not right.
In fact Dark Spark being kinda' OP now lmao.
gilded scroll
is it to the point where it may need a nerf?
inner anvil
Maybe a little.
swift wharf
Cause u deals like no damage to it segments so yh phantsmal fury as same effecti...
Can you show the gear
long ridge
With chaos stone it's actually really good
inner anvil
^^^^^^
inner anvil
We can't expect everyone to be a tester.
It's fine if they don't have killtimes, it's a niche thing.
swift wharf
yeah but
gilded scroll
hell, Nuclear Fury can kill DoG from personal experience (spell tome only)
drowsy plank
i still cant get over the fact he's complaining about pre-DoG mage when pre-Yharon mage is right there
swift wharf
gilded scroll
Event Horizon is great what do you mean?
drowsy plank
mpg did testing and everything is under estimated kill time by 30 seconds to 3 minutes
half sage
you mean over? under would mean it's clearing it faster than the kill time right?
swift wharf
oops
gilded scroll
i think dude gave up lmao
drowsy plank
kill time is 4 mins and the strong mage (double tesla cannon) is a 4:31
drowsy plank
lmao
swift wharf
saros' moment
inner anvil
saros' moment
Nerfed next update.
frigid hawk
i think dude gave up lmao
Just tested again ok its not 6k its 9k
swift wharf
where gear
half sage
kill time is 4 mins and the strong mage (double tesla cannon) is a 4:31
double tesla cannon as in you run out of charge before yharon dies?
inner anvil
Phastasmal Fury deals around 6k - 20k, depending on DoG's position.
drowsy plank
double tesla cannon as in you run out of charge before yharon dies?
you dont run out but the damage is so suboptimal it literally saves you about 20 seconds to carry two and swap at phase transition
half sage
lol
drowsy plank
it's miserable and hilarious
small timber
ok it is 30k dps on my very scuffed setup (dark spark)
and I literally dont play mage
it get a 3:10, it is probably one of the better weapon against dog right now
inner anvil
Phantasmal Fury is not the best weapon, but like, it still does ok damage, so that's a no as well for Phatasmal Fury.
frigid hawk
ok it is 30k dps on my very scuffed setup (dark spark)
Ok give me better setup please
upbeat yacht
can you just show your current gear?
cobalt pewter
this sugg is funny
drowsy plank
press f12 for screenshot
frigid hawk
can you just show your current gear?
I will show you my pre-dog set ok not pre-yaharoh cause its unfair
long ridge
In fact Dark Spark being kinda' OP now lmao.
I remember having to restart dark spark multiple times when I used it. Is that intensional?
small timber
I hate 8mb file size limit
frigid hawk
This
small timber
that is probably way more damage than what I and Meme use even yeah because of the alcohols
swift wharf
Something is wrong
small timber
star beam rye is gigantic on mage
swift wharf
nah it's just that every copy of calamity is personalized
small timber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVkhqvhrpnA ok done uploaded, the entire dog fight
ashen warren
Why the spectre rifle will be removeth
small timber
Ok give me better setup please
^
swift wharf
Because I told fabsol to
ashen warren
Sad
small timber
spectre rifle is literally a copy paste of spectre staff but ranger damage
ashen warren
Aight back to abusing adamantit particle
small timber
there is nothing interesting about it, people only use it because it is good because of a double buff due to 1.4.4 vanilla changes
inner anvil
Aight back to abusing adamantit particle
I nerfed it next update, cope.
small timber
people literally never cared about it nor know it exist
ashen warren
I will consume your kidneys
inner anvil
Ok, it still is nerfed though.
cobalt pewter
this is a common disease with cal community
no one actually cares about something, then suddenly a surge of those who claimed they loved it popped up when it's removed
it do be like that
anyways yeah there must be something wrong with the dude that suggs the mage rebalance
small timber
Phastasmal Fury deals around 6k - 20k, depending on DoG's position.
ok wow I never noticed phantasmal fury feel so shit to play, it is literally post-Polter spectre staff
but ya it is definitely like, not 6k too (or in their words, 2k)
@static lion she provide enchantment, that is her purpose
and enchantment is good, therefore calamitas npc is good
static lion
I hear you
gilded scroll
eh, enchantment is alright imo, because its oen big risk/reward system, and the risk is usually not worth the middling reward you get
frigid hawk
ok wow I never noticed phantasmal fury feel so shit to play, it is literally pos...
Nah i cant deal as much as you not even close 14k my limit
small timber
this is a common disease with cal community
no one actually cares about somethi...
I thing most people never knew it even exist, thought in this case it is also because a bunch of nohitters start using it post-1.4 port because of a double buff causing spectre staff (therefore spectre rifle) to deal like 3x or 9x the damage it is supposed to do (I forgot is which)
therefore it go from garbage tier to god tier
small timber
Nah i cant deal as much as you not even close 14k my limit
I have the entire DoG fight recorded so either you have mod conflict or I dont know
small timber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVkhqvhrpnA ok done uploaded, the entire dog fig...
^
(that one is dark spark, the phantasmal fury one I didnt)
frigid hawk
I have the entire DoG fight recorded so either you have mod conflict or I dont k...
Dunno im playing multiplayer
Cause it makes easier to hill him
But not working on 2nd phase
frigid hawk
I have the entire DoG fight recorded so either you have mod conflict or I dont k...
Whats your potions btw?
small timber
Whats your potions btw?
shown in the video at the end of the fight, including gears
magic power, mana regen, cadance, holy wrath, profaned rage, yharim stimulant, soaring, swiftness, titan scale, golden delight (exquisitely stuffed), bounding and gravity normalizer
and the crystal ball buff
cobalt pewter
scal is fine but the issue is when she's available
frigid hawk
shown in the video at the end of the fight, including gears
magic power, mana re...
cant see cause of 9999 number
cobalt pewter
by the time you got her at best you only have to fight exos and br
at worst the enchantments are only useful at br
(I'm intentionally disregarding aew)
so yea
the enchants never got much time to be utilized
at best they only got to be used on a (set of) boss(es) and the mod's boss rush
small timber
I mean the same can be said of something like "exo box is weak need buff", because of the same reason that you can only use it on scal or boss rush
in this case the problem is more tied with the progression, and less so that the NPC/item itself is bad
cobalt pewter
yeah
to be fair exos is a single item and while it suffers the same case as scal, it's not a whole ass NPC with her own variant of reforges
small timber
but ya regardless, the suggestion is severely lacking reasoning anyway
frigid hawk
@small timber Nah i deal to him 5k no way
small timber
like I said, I had the entire fight recorded, and since my result is similar to what someone else' is (Memes, being a beta tester) I will assume it is mod conflict on your end
main hatch
yknow, with all of the references to other games, when do we get a calamity reference
frigid hawk
like I said, I had the entire fight recorded, and since my result is similar to ...
I have only calamity, boss checklist and reciepe book
dg
main hatch
d
tardy smelt
~~I said Infernum because it was funny.~~ <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
You'd likely score even more on Infernum DoG unless your aim is really bad or your weapon really relies on hitting as many segments as possible
He's a glassy boy
neat linden
He's a glassy boy
For some reason this made me imagine DoG wearing glasses
drowsy plank
suggestions channel stop being shit impossible challenge
how many is that now like
8
i mean mine did break them up but christ
neat linden
why are there so many bad suggs recently
I should think of a good sugg so i can also break them apart
serene tendon
@frigid hawk "BUFF MAGE CLASS" You chug mana potions?
neat linden
one problem is that post DoG mage weapons aren't great overall
and they will be buffed
half sage
damn we're on another ❗ streak already huh
drowsy plank
mhm
upbeat yacht
like I said, I had the entire fight recorded, and since my result is similar to ...
+1
on a dummy it shows 12-15k dps, but on dog it shreds
drowsy plank
i think ele axe looks fine but also doesnt iban have plans to redo all the ele sprites already anyway
distant gyro
what does that mean
small timber
I think ele axe is part of the elemental resprite yeah
drowsy plank
i think they want this to look more like if that Elemental Axe had like. vanilla living rainbow dye applied to it
small timber
(and also I dont understand what the suggestion wants really)
distant gyro
it has a greyscale texture
distant gyro
it's colored with code
drowsy plank
they want it to look like this
hollow shell
^
drowsy plank
it's a bad sugg for multiple reasons, but i don't think it's invalid or anything, but i doubt it'll happen considering im imagining it might get a bit of a retooling once iban does the new sprites, so there probably isn't any good reason to work on the old version looking better atm
cobalt pewter
true
frosty trellis
hey <@701981133109329941> can you post your yharon mage weapon times. that tier ...
Here
inner anvil
Average Mage players.
swift wharf
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/404776393117925376/938498225499963452/u...
@nocturne coral
unreal viper
Here
is this worse than other classes? I see 4:30 killtimes at best. If other classes consistently surpass mage, there might be a decent reason to suggest a buff at that specific point in the game, rather than in general.
small timber
is this worse than other classes? I see 4:30 killtimes at best. If other classes...
4:00 is supposed to be the kill time, 4:30 is mostly standard
it is just other class have more unbalanced stuffs, like blah having 2:30 or something
or funny god's paranoia 1:30 haha
unreal viper
So no rippers, mix of damage, defensive and mobility accessories
warding accessories with reaper tooth necklace I see yeah noted, makes sense to conserve time for testers and get an idea of what the dps will be like for the average player
unreal viper
4:00 is supposed to be the kill time, 4:30 is mostly standard
it is just other c...
mhmm
grim tusk
or funny god's paranoia 1:30 haha
🤨
small timber
🤨
#help-advice-read-pins message I mean, yes it was indeed ~1:30 (depend on whether I have good bullet hell phasing)
with penumbra nerf at least it should be much less obnoxious
but ya if the weapon itself is untouched I think it will still be ~2:00
grim tusk
Put on the butcher list
small timber
(though tbh from my previous test a lot of rogue weapons will be on butcher list)
a bunch of them get ~2:45-3:00, not sure if just penumbra being funny
here
grim tusk
I’ll prob check it this weekend if i can
small timber
yeah (though I forgot that with a bunch of rogue accessory changes things probably varies a lot)
penumbra alone should already nerfed many of these weapons by good amount, let alone no guarantee crit
#help-advice-read-pins message oh right although it is not rogue, another funny weapon (mirror blade)
#help-advice-read-pins message (on a more defensive setup)
grim tusk
Noted
frosty trellis
Noted
Btw while you're here, mind telling me what 3 offensive accessories would be best for trying to test spam & stealth rogue for Polter and DoG/Old Duke? Kinda lost on how to build that
grim tusk
We test with 2 and a stat stick
frosty trellis
Then what 2 for spam and what 2 for stealth?
grim tusk
Spam would use Moonstone crown, EE, blunder booster, destroyer emblem, vampiric talisman or glove of recklessness
Stealth would use DGS and either of these: Moonstone crown, EE, Abyssal mirror, Spectral veil, Blunder booster
Stat stick here would be affliction
small timber
just use shattering to get rtn
(ironically it only doesnt work against DoG because DoG immune to all debuffs except sulphuric acid cannon for some reason)
frosty trellis
LOL
versed cape
wtf someone made an entire suggestion on changing a perfectly viable class
they should test elemental ray and dark spark on dog and tell me theyre the same
frosty trellis
Dark Spark is mage's 2nd best option for DoG, with Victriolic Vipor being honestly not that much better
Also Ele Ray just can carry until you fight DoG
hollow shell
iirc worm bosses were made immune to all debuffs due to MP syncing issues
But I don't know if that's an issue anymore
It's been years
grim tusk
iirc worm bosses were made immune to all debuffs due to MP syncing issues
As well as debuffs melting em
Most worm bosses that are not immune to debuffs heavily resist them instead
small timber
iirc worm bosses were made immune to all debuffs due to MP syncing issues
oh that
though I think from checking many worm bosses are vulnerable to debuffs right now (desert scourge, aquatic scourge, astrum deus) so I thought the bosses mentioned in suggestion are outliers
quiet kernel
You and I both know that you cant do suggest that
hollow shell
That would very likely be too extreme for a community suggestion
cobalt pewter
god?
frosty trellis
How about let's not remove Aureas because it's not a bad fight and in fact isn't even that hard
cobalt pewter
I know I hate aureus but straight up suggesting to remove it is kinda.........
I mean deep down I want it but obviously it doesn't make any sense
basically
no
inner anvil
It doesn't make sense, and deep down doesn't either.
tardy smelt
wow that's
tardy smelt
the suggestion of all time 
cobalt pewter
either way yes suggesting to remove a boss is certainly not logical
golden kayak
How about let's not remove Aureas because it's not a bad fight and in fact isn't...
Toooooo be fair
To be fair
Aureus rn is an extreme obstacle for its tier for a LOT of players
cobalt pewter
I wonder how well would a sugg to remove aew's superboss status would be instead
bring it back to its rightful place
being abyss' dg
tardy smelt
I think that more or less the same applies for AEW as it does for Aureus
...instead of removing the boss fight, how about you make it better :p
with the key difference being that Aureus has some kind of priority
while AEW doesn't, as much
but its still sad he's in the limbo state he's in rn 
frosty trellis
Toooooo be fair
To be fair
Aureus rn is an extreme obstacle for its tier for a ...
Yeah I never got that I always found him easy regardless of the difficulty
cobalt pewter
aew being a superboss is very weird because it just
happened?
frosty trellis
Just dash under him when he jumps and the fight is a lot easier
AEW is a fun fight just very hard
As he should be
small timber
the really only problematic part of aureus is just the homing crystal
frosty trellis
Homing crystal? Huh?
cobalt pewter
idk I think there was never a problem in it being abyss' guardian, just like Ghost Leviathan in Subnautica, the original reference of AEW
small timber
(which I assume will be fixed soon™️ since all testers also seem to think it is garbage)
frosty trellis
Excuse me what homing crystal?
small timber
Homing crystal? Huh?
the one that is shoot off screen then homing back to you from off screen
frosty trellis
Can you give me a vid bc that doesn't ring any bells
cobalt pewter
now is just suddenly became a superboss when the original entity references was never meant to be fought
cobalt pewter
Can you give me a vid bc that doesn't ring any bells
Aureus Flame Crystals home into the player for some time after spawned
inner anvil
now is just suddenly became a superboss when the original entity references was ...
Fab was bored during the Draedon Update development.
frosty trellis
Fab was bored during the Draedon Update development.
LOL
cobalt pewter
I had omniscience
golden kayak
Just *dash under him* when he jumps and the fight is a lot easier
Dodging the downwards dash is not the problem
He is just tanky as fuck
And his jump itself (trajectory) is pretty wonky
inner anvil
Fab was bored during the Draedon Update development.
So he just did it, and that's it.
frosty trellis
He is tanky because if he isn't that tanky he just dies way to fast according to fab
cobalt pewter
Fab was bored during the Draedon Update development.
ah yes.
small timber
the one fired downward in a fan pattern (3 projectiles) right at 0:00
frosty trellis
I never had issues with those
cobalt pewter
@unreal lark no 1.4.4 suggs for now
frosty trellis
So 🤷♂️
small timber
I dont even think AEW is that bad tbh, it just obviously need polishing
golden kayak
He is tanky because if he isn't that tanky he just *dies way to fast* according ...
Well we certainly have a contradiction somewhere because he is probably the most complained about boss
From what I see on several servers
cobalt pewter
wait until tmod and cal is updated to terraria's 1.4.4 to make a sugg about it
frosty trellis
I dont even think AEW is that bad tbh, it just obviously need polishing
Make exo box not have half speed in the abyss anymore
unreal lark
small timber
that and it deal like double the damage it is supposed to deal (just because it is a "superboss")
cobalt pewter
but yes I would love for cal to add such QoL for shimmer
golden kayak
From what I see on several servers
Which is not that much of an indication but it's still something to take notice of
small timber
AEW main problem is the charge happen extremely fast, the lightning charge is complete garbage since you can't dash downwards (aka use exo box moment), the summons are way too tanky considering the rest of the thing going on, shadow ball being very non-indicative of how to dodge them, and most important the ice attack that cultist has
that one move WAY too fast, that you can only dodge it by using exo box
cobalt pewter
I dont even think AEW is that bad tbh, it just obviously need polishing
note that I never commented about the fight itself (I haven't tried, hasn't been and never will be bothered, and my issue is more on the fact that it became a superboss in general)
small timber
because you cant swim downward that fast, your only option is to fly up with drew wings' flight speed
frosty trellis
The lightning charge and the Eidolon wyrms are the only ones of those I can see being huge problems since that what normally kills me
Also like Exo Box not even mentioned in any patch notes got a movement speed decrease in the abyss and it pisses me off because why
small timber
I think making lightning charge comes from vertical instead of horizontal fix a lot of problem (since you can dash away, you can dash horizontally but not vertically)
that and all the charges just need a timing fix, instead of depending on how close AEW is to the position it want to charge from (which means the charge sometimes are executed faster or slower)
frosty trellis
Fair