On other scenarios its ass
#suggestions-discussion
grim tusk
bright crag
Art Attack is great for Plant, Golem, Ravager, Cultist and kiiindaaa on Deus
frosty trellis
grim tusk
Yep, no moonstone
frosty trellis
No rippers
bright crag
Not viable for Deus because of how hard it is to use, but deals a lit if damage
grim tusk
Moonstone crown + hells sun stealth is batshit insane
frosty trellis
Interesting
umbral dew
oh boy i cant wait to test for my favourite mod
the terraria devs buffing the shit out of several weapons:
frosty trellis
I mean if you want insane rogue Storm
bright crag
Lunatic Cultist needed resist
It excels at wiping out minions/limbs
frosty trellis
neat linden
one question though
grim tusk
The rngesus weapon
frosty trellis
Not really??
grim tusk
(Also stealth hell’s sun with moonstone did better)
frosty trellis
I was getting 1:50-2:20 consistenly
neat linden
one question though
what is the current killtime on plant with art attack
frosty trellis
First test with it ever got me 2:1x
neat linden
so no x9 damage buff
frosty trellis
It's very, very good
bright crag
what is the **current** killtime on plant with art attack
Yes
grim tusk
Because of her large hitbox
Same situation as hell’s sun pretty much
fossil finch
i love art attack but its so bad its sad as fuck
frosty trellis
Also have a look at lunar kunai spam for me
neat linden
i think that explains everything
umbral dew
art attack does +100 damage if you draw a dick
grim tusk
Also have a look at lunar kunai spam for me
Kunais are op on both styles period
fossil finch
art attack's damage is not the problem
frosty trellis
Spam was better than stealth for me but yeah
bright crag
Art Attack is now epic for Plant and Golem
frosty trellis
Also stip, you got my ping about the mage on DoG data last night right?
neat linden
how is it for like, levi
bright crag
Have fun two-shotting tentacles
frosty trellis
(Which the actual data is a message or two down because ping fail but yeah)
Need me to repost it?
ruby plover
golden tulip
that sure is a weapon
distant gyro
i forgot such a weapon exists
hollow shell
heh
drowsy plank
turn asteroid staff into a magic missile upgrade ez
drowsy plank
https://tenor.com/view/tf2-aye-fair-enough-aye-fair-enough-gif-16035240
that is... not what he meant
this is like 3 suggestions slammed together, and one of them seems better fit for calval
also didn't a suggestion for lab furniture just pass?
most of this is still very "specific item"-y too
@hollow shard i have no idea if that first ping went through but this still isn't really fitting the rules
buoyant idol
The title seems a bit too "Hey guys it's ya boi" but I might just be overreacting
drowsy plank
nah i mean that just means it'd do bad in voting
nothing wrong with that, because there are plenty of actual issues here anyway
buoyant idol
True
Too many invalidating issues for now
I think it would be smart to pin a proper suggestion that doesn't get cleared as an example
umbral dew
these are all things that the calval mod is more likely to do
drowsy plank
my man got so fed up with people pointing out his sugg was breaking the rules that he broke another rule and ding dong ditched and went DND
incredible
umbral dew
well that mission isnt going so great with all of these rules broken
buoyant idol
I think that's the mission
umbral dew
"dear calamity mod devs please merge the changes made to yharon by infernum to be merged into the main mod"
drowsy plank
at least it's arguably the best designed infernum fight
buoyant idol
I wonder if you could break every rule in the character limit
sand ermine
most likely
buoyant idol
Kinda want to make a list but don't want to make a huge wall of line breaks
They're 16 rules, not including soft rules or server suggestions
It's definitely possible
umbral dew
your probably either going to get banned or the dev team is in sheer disbelief
trim raptor
"add Yharim and make him drop an item that does (insert exact function and stats here). The item should also be craftable with shadowspec bars but only in Malice mode (which should totally be re-added). Also it's a reference to (insert dev here)"
I could keep going but I'm too lazy
hollow shard
<@777583427498541086> i have no idea if that first ping went through but this st...
Can you explain the specific detail I got wrong because I re-read the rules a few times over.
drowsy plank
lmao no i can list them
hollow shard
The title is kinda weird
But it exists and is separate.
buoyant idol
True, but people will find it cringe as it isn't very concise
umbral dew
it would be a specific item suggestion if only 1 item was suggested tho
buoyant idol
Lets just wait for the list
drowsy plank
Can you explain the specific detail I got wrong because I re-read the rules a fe...
-as a general suggestion, the title should be a "tl;dr" of the suggestion, but this is more of a formatting issue
-on the topic of format, you don't need to include "thank you", these are going to be delivered to the devs out of context assuming they even pass voting with all of this extra fluff tacked on. it usually just makes the suggs harder to understand
-and on top of that, this suggestion completely lacks any form of REASONING, which is the most important part of a suggestion. you just made like... a list of things. the title has the most reasoning of this entire post
-typically, aesthetic items are mostly reserved for the "calamity's vanities", which has its own server and suggestion channels, and it run by one of the devs, YuH
-you should check the existing suggestions using the discord search feature, because laboratory furniture was already passed, and duplicate suggestions are usually flagged
-turrets are also already planned, but were not a suggestion, so this one is less egrigious
-the damaged wiring is literally just a Specific Item Suggestion, it serves no purpose that turrets dont already, on top of again, having no reasoning. it's just a "it would be cool if you added this"
hollow shell
In short:
Suggestions should be primarily reasoning, and not much specifics
You should be asking that new lab furniture get added in general, and maybe give one or two short examples, but most of the suggestion's word count should be dedicated to explaining why new furniture is needed
I'm.. unsure about how to best execute or judge this suggestion
cuz you do have separate bits of reasoning for each little suggested addition
umbral dew
tldr go to calval and not post a wall of text
hollow shell
(We rarely get suggestions like this)
buoyant idol
Also bloat like
Turrets (These would attack both monsters and Players who weren't on the same side as the Player who placed them, I came up with this after destroying the 49th rope ladder up to my base.)
drowsy plank
there are tidbits of reasons actually, which im noticing now, but the formatting was so egregious it was hard to tell
hollow shard
-as a general suggestion, the title should be a "tl;dr" of the suggestion, but t...
Fair point, at least I gave the turrets an idea for functionality.
drowsy plank
not to mention that these are still all... specific item suggestions, when the better way to go about it would just be asking for more general laboratory blocks, and using a few of these as an example
buoyant idol
Studying what other people put in #suggestions-voting is a good way to figure out what to do
frosty trellis
@eternal escarp Luminite Arrows are the epic funnyness
plain fjord
Make an April fools boss that’s almost unbeatable and if someone beats it they get nothing
cobalt pewter
no
frosty trellis
@full basalt Balance suggestions are a ping testers deal
And Ultimis Cleaver is known
full basalt
what does that mean?
frosty trellis
There's a list of testers you can ping that's listed in this channel for balance suggestions
If you read the pins
Xyk being the melee tester
full basalt
And Ultimis Cleaver is known
Also, I didn't know that's already an issue that's been suggested. I just now unlocked that weapon and noticed the dps was shallow
frosty trellis
It's fine from my experience but nothing crazy which is fair
I like it for phase 3 Duke Fishron
Since the easy homing and the true melee effect
full basalt
yeah the homing sucks
frosty trellis
Not really....?
full basalt
When I attack an enemy, usually only 1-3 homing sparks hit depending on distance
I'd expect around 90% to make contact
The sparks kinda just sink down. Not really that useful imo
devout shell
Make an April fools boss that’s almost unbeatable and if someone beats it they g...
Just fight THE LORDE smh my head
cobalt pewter
honestly Permafrost has little purpose anyways
so might as well give him something that isn't just fuckin
selling shit
he's the Archmage
and all he does is sell brittle ahh weapons?
almost all cal NPCs have another function that isn't just selling
Bandit has the refund mechanic, Amidias has the water buff, Calamitas has the enchantment and exhuming
frosty trellis
He just contributes to more bad item bloat
cobalt pewter
Cirrus doesn't really have one but the alcohols are just kinda unique
frosty trellis
And makes a snow pylon easier to get
frosty trellis
Cirrus doesn't really have one but the alcohols are just kinda unique
She tells you how many times you've died in a pt
cobalt pewter
snow pylon is already mad easy to obtain even before Permafrost
cobalt pewter
She tells you how many times you've died in a pt
yeah like that matters, it's just a simple counter lmao
frosty trellis
It's a unique function
cobalt pewter
the other 3 I mentioned have functions that have something to do with gameplay
frosty trellis
Yeah fair
crude geode
for a grand archmage he sure doesn't act like one
frosty trellis
True that
Besides Permafrost please tell me if the cryo thing is just me being stupid or not
cobalt pewter
it is odd that cryonic is post 2 mechs while the boss that spawns it is pre mech
frosty trellis
Yeah
And moving cryo instead of rebalancing the ore and all of that makes more sense and then can just get rid of permafrost item bloat in the process
Win-win
cobalt pewter
the only immediate Permafrost weapon that remotely has any use
is Ice Stars
and that's for Kelvin craft
frosty trellis
I mean snowstorm is pretty good for destroyer
cobalt pewter
isn't that cryo drop
crude geode
~~Besides Permafrost please tell me if the cryo thing is just me being stupid or...
sounds fine concept wise
frosty trellis
Is it?
I thought it was a buy from cryo
Not cyro
Perma
Oh huh
It is
Nvm
cobalt pewter
I think the issue with these separate stuff is that there's little to indicate whether you can make the cryonic stuff
since their spawn message only happened on cryo kill, which is pre mech
frosty trellis
Yeah
Like I intentionally skip cryo until post 2nd mech because he isn't useful otherwise
cobalt pewter
I think Ice Stars can be moved somewhere else and every immediate weapons on Permafrost's store is banished to shadowrealm
keen zodiac
the cryo sugg is so good thematically
frosty trellis
Ty!
frosty trellis
I think Ice Stars can be moved somewhere else and every immediate weapons on Per...
Cryonic Bars and snow craft, easy
cobalt pewter
Daedalus is just generally odd
frosty trellis
Daedalus Armor is actually very good
cobalt pewter
if Cryo is moved to post 2 mechs, then it's the only mech alt boss that's on a different tier
both brimmy and as are accessible on early hm
cobalt pewter
wh
frosty trellis
Yeah
cobalt pewter
lemme verify
keen zodiac
the cryo sugg is so good thematically
because pre hardmode the bosses go: king slime, desert scourge, eye of cthulhu. and calamity has a boss for in-between each vanilla boss, so if you move cryogen to post one mech (which makes more sense because post 2 mechs already has unholy core stuff) you could switch it's place with aquatic scourge so early hardmode would be queen slime, aquatic scourge, twins
frosty trellis
Post 1 is the unholy cores, post 2 has nothing
keen zodiac
you're supposed fight brimmy post 2 mechs
frosty trellis
No...?
You get Charred Ore with Mythril stuff
I just assumed it was post 1 mech then
keen zodiac
according to the wiki and boss log
frosty trellis
Huh
devout shell
Im sorry every time i hear “brimmy” i just imagine brimstone elemental combined with jimmy neutron
frosty trellis
LOL
devout shell
B r i m m y N e u t r o n
frosty trellis
Post 1 doesn't rly make sense for cryo because cryonic ore need adamantite
willow widget
honestly it makes sense to move it to post 2 mech
willow widget
cuz 0 = aquatic scourge, 1 = brimmy, 2 = cryo
frosty trellis
AS and QS
cobalt pewter
then move QS to post mechs :troll
small timber
Isnt unholy core post 1 mech?
willow widget
yeah, but as the alternate
frosty trellis
Yeah fair enough
cobalt pewter
Isnt unholy core post 1 mech?
yeah I just checked
charred ore specifically
frosty trellis
Mhm
small timber
cuz 0 = aquatic scourge, 1 = brimmy, 2 = cryo
Then ya this seems fine?
keen zodiac
rn early hardmode is qs, cryo, 1mech, as, 2mech, brimmy, 3mech, calclone
cobalt pewter
by technicality AS is phm 
keen zodiac
so is levi
drowsy plank
which is weird cause cryo is way harder then AS esp considering how many people kill AS pre-WoF too lmao
cobalt pewter
so is levi
true true
drowsy plank
the boss order there is just so fucked
keen zodiac
and yharon is pre moonlord
frosty trellis
Yeah
keen zodiac
pre deus even
frosty trellis
AS definitely should be considered pre mech
Like
It's so trivial for everything
cobalt pewter
inb4 a new scourge worm early postml so that the scourge trilogy is complete
frosty trellis
Melee? Fractured Ark and Avalanche
Ranger? Stormbow
Mage? Fridgeflash
Summoner? THE FUCKING FEEESH
Rogue? Tracking Disk
cobalt pewter
(no dog does not count)
frosty trellis
But DoG is the Scourge of the Universe 
crude geode
aquatic scourge should be considered nonexistent
small timber
For me currently is
QS, AS, Cryo, 1st mech, Brimstone, 2nd Mech, 3rd mech
keen zodiac
ok but if cryo was moved to post 1 mech pre hardmode and hardmode would both be first boss: slime. second boss: scourge. third boss: eye of cthulhu
frosty trellis
For me currently is
QS, AS, Cryo, 1st mech, Brimstone, 2nd Mech, 3rd mech
That's how I've always seen it
small timber
Unless I missed a summon item recipe change
crude geode
they used to have it lol
cobalt pewter
I mean
frosty trellis
For me currently is
QS, AS, Cryo, 1st mech, Brimstone, 2nd Mech, 3rd mech
Yeah
cobalt pewter
I guess?
keen zodiac
the wiki and boss log states the intended order is QS, Cryo, Mech, AS, Mech, Brimmy, Mech etc
small timber
ok but if cryo was moved to post 1 mech pre hardmode and hardmode would both be ...
I dont think it is a good argument, to certain degree it is coincidence
If calamity wanted to maintain that consistency they would had made slime god a HM boss to fill the slot of QS, since QS didnt exist for a long time
keen zodiac
they're eventually reworking sg's place in progression
keen zodiac
ok but if cryo was moved to post 1 mech pre hardmode and hardmode would both be ...
not post 2 mechs post 1 mech i'm a fucking idiot
crude geode
they're eventually reworking sg's place in progression
you got a message to back that up?
keen zodiac
yes
lemme find it
well i can't find it but there was a suggestion to make slime god a hardmode boss and it got the 🔒 reaction which means the devs have conflicting plans so something's gonna happen with it
keen zodiac
it is
small timber
🔒 reaction is dev's plan is conflicting with the suggestion, making it not guaranteed to be implemented
keen zodiac
yeah but the nature of the suggestion means you either do it or you don't, there is no third option
crude geode
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/263382359397761025/9925683367245...
@hollow shell could we get more clarification on this sugg or is it just general future dev plan stuff that can't be revealed
small timber
if they agree with the suggestion it is going to be 👍 or even 🏁 instead
crude geode
(I'm expecting the latter)
hollow shell
I think it's Lock instead of outright Rejection because
the reasoning hinges on the fact that QS exists and throws the whole thing about SG being the grand ruler of slimes outta whack
and
We actually do have a plan on making that work in-game without moving SG
hollow shell
Dunno if it's public, like many things
So I'll just leave it at that
crude geode
I recall someone mentioning it being a lore explanation of why queen slime is stronger
hollow shell
Yeah I mean we can shit lore wherever we want but we're actually gonna do something in-game to remedy that perceived conflict
crude geode
ahhh makes sense
cobalt pewter
is it gonna have to do with the disappearing core
small timber
tbh daedalus pre-mech is not too bad yeah, only weapons maybe
frosty trellis
We don't need another pre mech armor set
small timber
currently adamantite outclass daedalus heavily
frosty trellis
Really? Even with Ornate Shield and Starlight wings benefits?
small timber
post-2 mech do have frozen and forbidden so it is not exactly non-bloating
frosty trellis
The permafrost stuff though
small timber
Really? Even with Ornate Shield and Starlight wings benefits?
can be nerfed etc, or even just lock them behind anvils, but ya tldr it is whether post-2 mech or pre-mech is better
frosty trellis
I was just thinking post 2 mech would be the least probamatic and easier to balance
Since a lot of it is already balanced around post 2 mech
hot zephyr
doesn't really make a difference honestly
frosty trellis
Also give me my beloved flarefrost blade pre mech and steamroll the entirely of early hm until post plant? Yes please
/j
frosty trellis
doesn't really make a difference honestly
It also gives you guys an excuse to remove permafrost weapons because I'm sorry why do they exist again?
All of them are just
Bad
crude geode
frost related weapons I love the ice biome hhhhhhhh
crude geode
how does ice biome have like 2 bits of content but 500 weapons/items
frosty trellis
Essence of Elium
frosty trellis
how does ice biome have like 2 bits of content but 500 weapons/items
TRUEEEEEE
But yeah it's crazy
small timber
ice biome rework after crags sunken sea abyss astral dragonayrie distortion biome rework soon™️
small timber
time to put like, an igloo (basically serve as ice biome pyramid) in the underground ice biome, or something I don't know
how do you even expand a biome that is literally just snow and ice
small timber
permafrost prison in a dedicated underground ice biome area, where it is actually a prison and you fight cryogen there
soon™️
frosty trellis
permafrost prison in a dedicated underground ice biome area, where it is actuall...
PLEASEEEEEE
Please give me that so I don't accidentally forget to fight cryogen at night
unborn oriole
Remove Permafrost 
small timber
mrrp preparing shotguns with malicious intent
small timber
mrrp is the main lore writter iirc, and permafrost is like, a big part of the lore I think
not sure anymore since lore constantly getting reworked
drowsy plank
what if we just made perma cool
and less awful
i know ian said to just move it pre-Mechs but fr i feel like just moving cryo to mech2 is just so much more interesting
we already have like 4 bosses you can tackle right after WoF (QS, mech1, AS, cryo)
at least this would spread them out a bit more
frosty trellis
Very odd
small timber
ok apparently all Calamity NPC except Drunk Princess dont have love or hate, only like and dislike, but ya
frosty trellis
Zamn
hollow shell
Same in vanilla too
All NPCs only Like/Dislike biomes
except Santa
Santa is the only one who Loves Snow and Hates Desert, as opposed to simply liking and disliking them
keen zodiac
[insert coldheart icicle dialogue]
hot zephyr
What the fuck is a coldheart icicle
frosty trellis
What the fuck is a coldheart icicle
While you're here Ian, would you be so kind as to tell me the testing times for Old Duke, Polterghast and the Sentinals?
devout shell
permafrost prison in a dedicated underground ice biome area, where it is actuall...
Bad worldgen generates it inside of the dungeon or smth
cobalt pewter
@full basalt specific sugg
and planned (in 2069 cus yes)
full basalt
Lmao
small timber
it is in fact, already on to do I think
small timber
yeah
small timber
"decent idea' as in like, it will 100% be broken as fuck
full basalt
Why would it be broken
small timber
penumbra was nerfed for giving 5% more stealth on eclipse, it penumbra potion was BROKEN
the station you suggest just give 10% because why not
but ya tldr, it is already on to-do list, no point in suggesting it
full basalt
Idk I mean any %
I just didn’t know how to word it so I just put 10
Ima remove my suggestion since it’s already there.
small timber
the other 2 (potential effect) are also incredibly broken, yeah main thing is just it will happen anyway
small timber
yeah
(tbf the idea in this one also sounds incredibly broken, but I imagine devs will give it a different effect anyway)
full basalt
“Stealth strikes insta kill boss”
cobalt pewter
@full basalt don't talk in that channel
small timber
@hollow shell #suggestions-posting message (since the suggestion haven't been flagged yet)
crystal kayak
“Stealth strikes insta kill boss”
make the cooldown super long and it might be reasonable
small timber
not sure since I was not here when the suggestion was posted
I think it was just ultimus cleaver was already checked? but I dont know the result
xyk was pinged (previously)
oh right this
frosty trellis
Why was I pinged in #suggestions-posting ?
small timber
someones used it for chat accidently
small timber
not sure didn't saw the message itself, probably something related to cryo suggestion
frosty trellis
Well that's to be expected
Just wanted to know what about the cryo suggestion
I'm just glad I don't sound like an idiot when suggesting that tbh
keen zodiac
i still think it should be post 1 mech
frosty trellis
While you're here Ian, would you be so kind as to tell me the testing times for ...
Since Ian isn't responding Any tester checking this channel can you please answer this? I want to try some things but don't know the intended killtimes so I can't say for certain if something is bad or not
inner anvil
3 min for OD and Polter.
small timber
#calamity-update-talk message I assume this one is still accurate
frosty trellis
Sentinals?
frosty trellis
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/711268703991365642/1022106705548...
This is what I got from the txt file from here
Storm Weaver (phase 1) 0:45
Storm Weaver (phase 2/total) 2:15
Ceaseless Void 3:00
Dark Energies (each phase) 0:20
Signus 2:00
Also how the fuck is plantera a 3 minute fight she takes half as long as anahita
inner anvil
This is what I got from the txt file from here
Storm Weaver (phase 1) 0:45
St...
Yeah, this is correct.
frosty trellis
At least with two bullet hells and the brothers phase that at least makes sense
If you do no rippers
And I'm not going to argue because Raw Unfiltered Calamity is the best song in the mod!
small timber
exo should be 8 minutes after the combo mech phase rework :trollge:
wait it is an actual emote now
frosty trellis
exo should be 8 minutes after the combo mech phase rework :trollge:
W E L L T H A T S F U N
Even more reason to do SCal first to cheese the entire fking fight with shattered community somehow because shattered community is broken
small timber
W E L L T H A T S F U N
(was partially joking, I assume it will only affect nohitters since combo will be seen as major phase, instead of currently where you ripper melt many of them; for killtime I assume will still be 6 minutes since the mechs are still as tanky)
frosty trellis
Fair enough
So basically play mage and use Helium Flash if you want to do Exos first
Because it is the epic funnyness on them
crude geode
Wacky
Even if it’s good it’s still probably one of the most lazily designed weapons, especially endgame
Just
Inferno Fork but big
crude geode
Me whenever I use it (it is not original)
frosty trellis
Ain't my favorite mage weapon on that tier
That goes to my beloved Aetherflux Cannon < 3
crude geode
Cool looking weapon, still just a lazily designed laser machine gun <3
cobalt pewter
shart is still on the top of the world
(Wave Pounder my beloved)
but honestly yeah there's a really good chunk of weapons that aren't just that good looking let alone interesting
for post dog to post yharon I can think of a few
Plasma Grenade looks nice but ultimately it's just another bomb
and I feel like the anim starts too slow?
crude geode
Tesla Cannon not summoning actual tesla coils and instead just being shooty mage gun
(Though tbh that’s a problem with mage’s drae weapons in general)
You could swap the damage types of most of them and be fine
cobalt pewter
I think aside from Plasma Grenade rogue's arsenal weapons are pretty interesting
crude geode
Rogue gets cool stuff
cobalt pewter
Frequency Manipulator has a high skill floor
unless you're fighting Leviathan ig but like
Tracking Disk is fun to use
frosty trellis
Tracking Disk is stupidly good and one of the epic funniness
Wave pounder is like broken on DoG
crude geode
You cannot really tell the difference between the mage and ranged weapons on this list
cobalt pewter
System Bane is alright but ultimately doesn't do much on actual bosses, only on rav parts
but it's good for Martians
frosty trellis
Well how do you made a techy mage weapon that isn't a magic gun?
cobalt pewter
where you just happens to have the weapon
frosty trellis
Melee on the otherhand....
cobalt pewter
shart good
crude geode
Well how do you made a techy mage weapon that *isn't* a magic gun?
By not being generic
cobalt pewter
the raw effect of Wave Pounder stealth hitting an enemy is powerful
it actually feels like it has an impact
jolly wigeon
Could adding a way to shift the side of abyss temporarily solve the bug that abyss suddenly swaps side?
frosty trellis
You have Gauss knife which is so bad
HVC which is hilarious
Glaive which I've never seen anyone talk about
Pulse dragon which I've never seen anyone talk about and I'm pretty sure is worse than Terrarian rn
And Phaseslayer which is god awful
cobalt pewter
I disabled screen shakes tho since I'm not too fond of that
but I would assume shart stealth absolutely shakes the screen
crude geode
Could adding a way to shift the side of abyss temporarily solve the bug that aby...
Cal team is against that kind of solution to bugs
Instead of just. fixing them.
cobalt pewter
it's really hard to distinguish which is ranged and which is mage on arsenal
meanwhile with the other 3 classes they're pretty distinct visually
crude geode
Indeed
cobalt pewter
melee is, well, a melee weapon of sorts
Phaseslayer is funny
summon typically uses the summoning item or the actual minion visual
and rogue is everything you can conveniently lob
crude geode
Tesla Cannon extremely irks me since it’s just a laser beam and not anything to do with teslas
small timber
rogue has the funny auric draedon weaponry because haha donor item
crude geode
Like. even this would be better than just generic rifle
crude geode
yeah
small timber
oh wait it isnt?
red stormBOT
small timber
I remember I saw donor in-game, let me check
cobalt pewter
it is not, in fact, a donor weapon
just extremely silly
maybe they're giving auric upgrades to T1 arsenal weapons? maybe? idk why but it feels like it
Gauss Dagger becomes a lightsaber
small timber
ok it is toasty QoL saying it is post-Yharon, since donor item also use red text I thought it was donor text
yeah
jolly wigeon
Cal team is against that kind of solution to bugs
This method is much easier than actually fixing it, cal team can bring it as a temp way, and remove it when the bug is actually fixed. Then players don't need to wait for too long.
cobalt pewter
shrimply cope
small timber
This method is much easier than actually fixing it, cal team can bring it as a t...
the assumption is that the "flip the abyss" bandaid fix will not be causing more bugs
frail mantle
This method is much easier than actually fixing it, cal team can bring it as a t...
yea but like why spend time putting the workaround fix in the game when they could just spend that time on fixing the actual bug
jolly wigeon
the assumption is that the "flip the abyss" bandaid fix will not be causing more...
It can tooltip "use at your own risk". There is no other way to solve it right now.
jolly wigeon
yea but like why spend time putting the workaround fix in the game when they cou...
Is there any way to fix corrupted world at present? Or only backup?
small timber
why introduce a supposedly fix for a bug that might cause even more bugs, then just put a sticker that say "if this accidently bricked your world it is your own fault"
instead of like, put the effort into fixing the bug itself
jolly wigeon
This is a possible way, and only way. Players have no other choice but backup.
small timber
it is like "saros possession have bugged scaling, let's make it have 1 base damage for now so it dont kill bosses too fast"
whole tundra
@frosty trellis Calamity has 1 to 1 Vanilla and Calamity bosses, also the Twins would make them way more unfair
frosty trellis
What in the heck would that mean
small timber
yeah what exactly does twins have to do with that
frosty trellis
Yeah
And difficulty is subjectieve
Yeah I find the twins the hardest of the three but I also just generally fight them last
small timber
the "1 to 1" thing I can somewhat see (King Slime, DS, EoC; QS, AS, Cryo) but I already think that is a bit of a scuffed argument when DS, AS and Cryo are calamity bosses in the first place
jolly wigeon
it is like "saros possession have bugged scaling, let's make it have 1 base dama...
That's not fatal bug, which means players can play normally with it: just not to use it. But abyss swapping is a fatal bug: it makes the cavern below the ocean become abyss and extremely dangerous; it makes the ocean become surphurous sea and there is no vanilla ocean in the world unless you demolish the old sulphurous sea; if player builds buidlings whose topic is ocean and sulphurous sea, they have to destroy them and rebuild.
crude geode
a fatal bug is one that crashes your game
jolly wigeon
Oh, yeah. Maybe I should call them error bug?
hot zephyr
just fix the bug
small timber
That's not fatal bug, which means players can play normally with it: just not to...
which loop back to the initial question: it is a bad bug, but why fix it through a bandaid solution that can potentially cause even more bugs, instead of fixing the bug itself?
in this case since it is a world gen thing, the bandaid solution have the chance to corrupt your world, which is way worse than just "your ocean become sulphur sea and abyss become a lot easier"
jolly wigeon
Wait, you mean this bug will be fixed in the next update?
keen zodiac
the devs can't fix it if they don't know the cause of it
drowsy plank
what
that's... dumb
skeletron used to only drop one weapon like
you dont NEED an accessory for every boss
small timber
and also a lot of the accessory drop on bosses are like, just bad
it is not the quantity, it is the quality that matter
supple adder
still we need to stick to the rule
small timber
we dont need more random 'expert accessory drops' that 90% of the time are just not used
supple adder
i mainly did that suggestion for
some resaon
but yeah alot of accesories dropped by bosses are dogshit (looking at you providence accesory)
small timber
I dont really think like, sticking to the rule is really that important
in this case I am just thinking that it will be more of an unnecessary bloat
tbh I do think The Transformer will fit as a storm weaver drop, but at the sametime it will be such as gigantic tier shift that it you literally have nothing to use it on post that point of progression
inner anvil
but yeah alot of accesories dropped by bosses are dogshit (looking at you provid...
It's planned for a rework.
supple adder
thanks god
small timber
blazing core yeah
small timber
basically nebulous core except extremely bad
small timber
It'll be cool someday.
soon™️ no copium
supple adder
there will likely be someone saying "uhm akchually blazing core is good i use it"
small timber
blazing core was ok as a niche accessory, then it just got slapped in the face by getting a -10% damage reduction nerf
now it is deader than spore sac
supple adder
dont forget about flame licked shit
cobalt pewter
every single former expert drop is useless in cal as far as I understood
now that they're not bound by being expert exclusives they could be looked at
supple adder
every single former expert drop is useless in cal as far as I understood
they were all useless before
like when did you used spore sac
small timber
spore sac is unironically decent, just because it is available early enough
just you dont really use it on bosses, for normal enemy you can just afk
golden kayak
Fishing accessory
cobalt pewter
lowkey the hm fishing acc cal added should also give a proper way of self defense I think
small timber
suggestion:
Combine Blazing Core With Supreme Fishing Tackle Box Station In Post-ML
reason: blazing core will finally be useful
swift wharf
but yeah alot of accesories dropped by bosses are dogshit (looking at you provid...
I HATE SPORE SAC I HATE SPORE SAC I HATE SPORE SAC I HATE SPORE SAC
solemn dust
The evolution. 
drowsy plank
there is no rule i just pointed out skele used to not have an accessory
also i love how u were like "every boss needs an accessory" and then pointed out that nearly every random "required" accessory from bosses is dogshit lmfao
spring saffron
Most of the vanilla boss accessories are good
Soc, scarf, brain, hive pack, fishron wings, eye of golem, insignia, and starboard
small timber
the problem is then you have the rest of them
where most people cant even recall the name of those accessories
spring saffron
I don't know what queen slime drops but besides spore sack bone glove and whatever the fuck deerclops drops
Oh and the emblems
Those are great
Seeing as how the mechs and cultists don't have accessories basically all of them are good except for 4
small timber
oh jfl have verified youtuber role, I somehow never noticed it
ya boss size change is like, weird
shell grotto
Yeah it’s neat.
small timber
only very few of them make sense like AS
shell grotto
I just hate seeing destroyer being like 4x his size and anyone I talk to says the same.
small timber
meanwhile there is destroyer yeah
the pixelated sprite because of enlarging the sprite
shell grotto
And if it’s a subtle change, it shouldn’t exist.
spring saffron
They should've just made him longer not wider
shell grotto
In any case just make him not that fucking huge
inner anvil
Is it really a problem?
Is this really an actual problem?
In my experience it's not.
small timber
for destroyer specifically I think it is, for other bosses it is not really noticeable
inner anvil
And what's the deal with Destroyer?
small timber
for destroyer it is visibly ugly, though disregarding visual aspect it just make the fight extremely annoying
inner anvil
How so?
small timber
because you basically are forced to run away or eventually it will just circle you
inner anvil
I mean, he kinda' does that already.
small timber
and you have to ornate shield or RoD out of it
shell grotto
because you basically are forced to run away or eventually it will just circle y...
That’s just destroyer but that’s literally the point. The change impacts nothing
So it shouldn’t exist.
inner anvil
Then why we need to remove it if it impacts nothing?
safe oasis
why is it even there if it impacts nothing
inner anvil
It's just a silly change Fab liked and that's it lmao, it doesn't kill someone's mother.
shell grotto
Because it looks awful, and anyone i’ve talked to agrees
inner anvil
Cool.
shell grotto
Why change it for the sake of change when there could be changes for the better?
inner anvil
You mean he isn't already good?
I think he's pretty good right now.
Like the fight.
shell grotto
Implications can suggest that. I think dest is in a decent spot but could be better.
inner anvil
And plus, Fab doesn't have any planned changes for The Destroyer.
small timber
on rev I feel it is fine, on death it is a clusterfuck because of the size change
I dont know how to explain it clearly, I will just record
inner anvil
And plus, Fab doesn't have any planned changes for The Destroyer.
He believes he's finished.
inner anvil
Well, you are you and I'm me.
shell grotto
Why are brothers slightly bigger and cal herself slightly smaller?
inner anvil
I don't know lmao, ask Fab, you're a Patreon.
drowsy plank
i mean it's like that in the scal fight too
inner anvil
And same thing, I don't mind.
drowsy plank
technically
shell grotto
I don't know lmao, ask Fab, you're a Patreon.
Im not
inner anvil
And this is why Fab is mad.
drowsy plank
isnt calclone getting resprited anyway
inner anvil
Nobody tells him what he's doing wrong and what he's doing right!
shell grotto
Oh, then I can certainly help
inner anvil
Nobody tells him what he's doing wrong and what he's doing right!
In the sense that, nobody approaches him.
shell grotto
Well, maybe anyways.
inner anvil
I can ask him, I have no problem.
shell grotto
People are afraid IG.
inner anvil
I'll ask him: "How do you feel about some bosses getting their size changed?".
And that's it, boom.
And visually jarring is not an arguement for him, unless it is terrific, which is not.
safe oasis
In the sense that, nobody approaches him.
yeah because there is no method to do that lmao
suggestions are for changes, nobody knows that we're just supposed to approach fab
inner anvil
Shame.
Well, yeah, suggestions.
I forgot about that.
Oh we're on #suggestions-discussion
small timber
I dont know how to explain how I feel clearly, but basically death mode destroyer just fills half of the screen and you are forced to just run away, while rev destroyer (because there is little size change), you at least have more room for movement
eternal escarp
yeah memes 
small timber
the tldr is destroyer just become a gigantic area denial instead of a boss you fight and try to dodge the attacks
inner anvil
I dont know how to explain how I feel clearly, but basically death mode destroye...
Is this Death?
small timber
the later half is death
that is just how I personally feel about destroyer size change, the other bosses are not really noticeable for me
(Ftw dont count)
inner anvil
Rev is 100% fine, Death could just be very slightly adjusted.
eternal escarp
the arguement was never about rev yeah
small timber
yeah that is how I feel, rev is completely fine
inner anvil
I mean, the suggestion mentions Rev, so I would imagine.
eternal escarp
i personally think the size changes are fine but i can see destroyer's being a little over
i dont think theres size changes in rev?
so idk what jfl means there
small timber
the only rev change is like, Aquatic Scourge? not sure, but that is length change iirc
eternal escarp
i wouldnt count that
rotund tree
i dont think theres size changes in rev?
both rev and death increase destroyer's size
rotund tree
+50% in rev, +150% in death
eternal escarp
calamity brainrot :widel
small timber
though rev feels just fine yeah, the right amount of size change
eternal escarp
byeah rev's fine
small timber
it fits very well that people dont even notice there is a size change (in rev)
swift wharf
but in ftw
eternal escarp
no one ever talked about rev increase tbh
swift wharf
because ftw is zanyqurikywoozy
eternal escarp
death increase is a little over i can agree with that for dest
shell grotto
byeah rev's fine
Included rev in there just because idk if there are any size changes outside death. But I removed it from the msg
The argument im making is just how it looks silly and barely impacts the fight in a meaningful way so shouldn’t be there.
shell grotto
Yeah my b. But fixed it.
eternal escarp
👍
unreal lark
probably the only boss that has an actually good size change in death mode is king slime, imo anyways. it actually feels like a proper change to the fight, both in terms of theme and difficulty.
for destroyer, and apparently calclone and cryo too (i actually never knew that they did have a size increase), it just doesn't make as much sense as it does for king slime, nor does it feel right.
drowsy plank
did anyone even notice any of the size changes besides exactly destroyer
main hatch
not really
drowsy plank
lmao
small timber
I noticed calclone, I remember calclone is a bit smaller but brother is bigger
other than that not really
tardy smelt
Nobody tells him what he's doing wrong and what he's doing right!
from what I've experienced its simply hard to reach him
I wouldn't mind giving constructive feedback on bosses in theory, but like
it feels like you'd be talking to empty air either way
drowsy plank
man DMing fab about stuff always felt like the worst way to go about trying to get stuff changed
i kinda assumed not talking to devs directly was the whole reason this channel existed
small timber
ya, the most appropriate way will be through tester
I will imagine if random people just spamming DMs about feedback on bosses it will be just a clusterfuck
and also there will be a lot of unfiltered bullshit like "providence too hard please nerf"
drowsy plank
yeah
cobalt pewter
doesn't help that the suggestion system is incredibly fragile the bigger your sugg is
inner anvil
man DMing fab about stuff always felt like the worst way to go about trying to g...
Nah, I meant suggestions, but when I sent that message I thought we weren't in #suggestions-discussion.
small timber
and also people dont vote for boss changes in suggestion
hardcore people want bosses hard, softcore people want bosses to be easier, so no matter nerf or buff nothing happens
the rest like telegraph and stuff just get drowned too, and only things like "DoG looks ugly after Phase 2 teleport uncoiling please fix" get enough votes
inner anvil
Nah, I meant suggestions, but when I sent that message I thought we weren't in <...
@drowsy plank Pinged because I feel it's important for you to know.
cobalt pewter
but yeah, suggestions is a terrible system if you want boss feedbacks
best it can do is
inner anvil
Also yeah, pinging Testers for Boss Feedback isn't a terrible idea as well.
small timber
the thing is just without a proper system it will 100% get abused
and it probably is worse with a proper system
cobalt pewter
well you have the suggestion lurkers here that will absolutely bully unnecessary pings, but yes
that's enough system if I understood
small timber
because at the very least not many people think about boss changes right now, if it is in the Suggestion Pinned Document that say like "boss suggestions can be done through pinging tester just like balance suggestion", it will just be "providence hard nerf please" situation again
(and even if the feedback is reasonable, opinion ultimately still differs of course)
inner anvil
and it probably is worse with a proper system
It's not pinned, so only the people that should know will know.
Y'know what I mean?
small timber
yeah
drowsy plank
<@166992984171085824> Pinged because I feel it's important for you to know.
ah, thanks
buoyant idol
Sorry for ping @shell grotto , but I think it would be better to clarify you meant Death Mode in the title of your latest suggestion, I feel like it's a little difficult to understand.
shell grotto
done
buoyant idol
Thanks
bright crag
Calclone is ok imo
Destroyer is 
I forgot how much Cryogen changes actually
I like the Calclone one because the dashes feel a bit more smooth
And the brothers, which are troublemakers in the fight, are easier to hit
Destroyer sucks because it ruins the map icon placement* and just makes the fight a lot more frustrating
*"objects in the mirror are closer than they appear"
frosty trellis
Destroyer takes half the fucking screen and is just a complete clusterfuck
Calclone and Cryogen I never even noticed
And Calclone is fine as is she is my favorite fight in the mod
shell grotto
cryo and calclone are pretty subtle but it's there. And because of the subtlety it should be removed so the boss actually looks correct to scale with her brothers.
for cryo it's just the shield has a smaller sprite when it is up
making it essentially harder to hit by a small margin.
frosty trellis
Hitting cryo isn't usually an issue
It's seeing his damned projectiles that can be a pain
Super tiny and hard to see
rotund tree
cryo and calclone are pretty subtle but it's there. And because of the subtlety ...
calclone and the brothers are even more different because while calamitas is smaller in death (80% size), the brothers are also bigger (120% size)
drowsy plank
@ashen warren can you elaborate on what your second point means
shell grotto
calclone and the brothers are even more different because while calamitas is sma...
it's still not significant enough to make a real difference. Regardless of what exactly the size change is, that point stands for all examples listed. Any other boss is likely the same story except king slime which gets a pass due to size fluctuation after taking damage being a feature of the boss.
slate turtle
Isn't that the entire point of odd mushroom?
drowsy plank
no the fucked up visual effects definitely are the point
odd mushroom is a meme item
not really
you have like
two completely unrelated points
in that sugg
why is resummoning endo bad right now
seems fine to me, just... you use the weapon until it's in the right mode. done
simple
how
looking at it...?
also you can just
count how many times you've used it??
yes?
to make sure they're hitting the boss
no
hollow shell
You should not have mushroom be part of your reasoning
assuming you're talking about the Cirrus one
Yes Cirrus is the Drunk Princess
Odd Mushroom is a really niche item that's basically a joke challenge
You can just say it's hard to see in the thick of combat with all the boss's projectiles too
(though that wouldn't actually support the reasoning for putting it on a hotkey, now that I think about it)
small timber
I am not sure if it is a feature of this specific mod, "Toasty QoL" (something like that, it start with Toasty) have a small UI that tells you how many minions you currently have and your max minion
I dont know what the original suggestion/argument is, but I assume that help
and ya, the entire point of odd mushroom is that it is intentionally memey, as in it apply Brain of Cthulhu visual to everything
the 50% damage kinda is just slapped on, if you think the visual is hard to see that is the entire point, just dont use the item, simple as that
ok ya it is definitely Toasty Nohit QoL
tbf I will not mind if Calamity just have the same feature, it is the kind of small QoL that goes a long way
I dont think hotkey will make much sense considering it is a shadowspec item (aka literally post-game), having hotkey for things that you cannot even access for 99% of the game do not really make sense
(same reason as to why I think accessory specific hotkey should become more simplified)
instead maybe just give it a new UI (as I think mentioned above?) since that is already the case of many more unique weapons
and also donor weapon moment though at least this one should be purely improvement
inner anvil
That just doesn't sound right, yeah.
frosty trellis
That's loke
What
There are way to many options post WoF
One of the reasons cryo should be posted post 2 mechs
hardy dock
I’ve always felt like there’s only a couple accessible weapons to use before beating a mech and way too many that I’ll never use from Adamantite and Cryonic
hollow shell
What class?
frosty trellis
The entire tier is bloated as fuck
inner anvil
So is the problem the equipment that you have avaivable or the amount?
hardy dock
What class?
Mage in particular
Most weapons either suck or are a pain in the ass to get
inner anvil
Uh huh, so the problem is not the amount.
frosty trellis
Um
frosty trellis
I'm going to stop you right there
As someone who has played mage and loves mage I completely disagree
inner anvil
That will be up to the testers.
frosty trellis
Crystal serpent is like half and hour of fishing at most
swift wharf
hollow shell
snowstorm staff notwithstanding
frosty trellis
Glorious end is hilarious
swift wharf
frosty trellis
Snowstorm staff is actually amazing for destroyer as first or 2nd mech
Fridgeflash bolt can carry you for all 3 Mecha with little issues.
Same with Posiedon
swift wharf
also pre-wof weapons are still viable
hollow shell
Snowstorm staff is actually amazing for destroyer as first or 2nd mech
(It's not HM pre-boss is what I'm sayin)
frosty trellis
Fair
But fridgeflash is extremely easy to aquire and posiedon is hm giant clam which is easy enough to get and that's all you need until SPHC or Slithering Eels
hollow shell
But yeah it would be better to buff weapons into perceived viability than to move viable weapons into post-WoF
because post-WoF does have tons of weapons
hardy dock
But fridgeflash is extremely easy to aquire and posiedon is hm giant clam which ...
Those are the only two that are good
And what I’m saying is I don’t like feeling funneled into using two weapons
frosty trellis
Not really...? Crystal Serpent is fine, glorious end is hilariously overpowered, meteor staff is fine
hardy dock
Not really...? Crystal Serpent is fine, glorious end is hilariously overpowered,...
Serpent and glorious End both take a while to get
inner anvil
Again, tell us to test the weapons, if it's weak, we'll buff it, it's easy.
hollow shell
^
frosty trellis
Hey @bright crag our good friend mind doing post WoF mage on first mech for us pretty please?
I can help if needed as well
neat linden
i think it shouldn't be too bad but then again
last time i tried post WoF mage was like 1.5.1? testing using pretty bad (for testing) gear against cryo only
bright crag
I'm aware that Mage has been lacking there and I do plan on testing that tier
frosty trellis
Thank you Stip
bright crag
But for now, there are certainly some options
Mainly Golden Shower, Meteor Staff, Nimbus Rod
neat linden
my typical route would be meteor staff AS
although AS is apparently intended post 1 mech so 
bright crag
Golden Shower works like a charm on AS
And from AS you can already get a ton of good weapons
Meteor Staff is good for Twins
Nimbus Rod is great against AS, and good against Prime and Destroyer
small timber
yeah, regardless I think the suggestion do count as a balance suggestion, just grander in scale
(therefore it should ping tester instead, which is already done)
bright crag
AS is really the way to go currently
Slithering Eels, Miasma, Belching Saxophone and Downpour will carry your mech tier
neat linden
meteor staff, golden shower and nimbus rod are all nice for AS and after AS you have like 3 weapons that are better than other pre mech weapons
eels even being viable for plant
although for plant i probably would just hadal urn
frosty trellis
Oh I just fridgeflash bolt AS because it takes no time to craft and destroys AS
bright crag
I also buffed Rainbow Rod's speed, so it should be more consistent and generally better
It just sucks against worms
eternal escarp
theres a shittion of weapons immediate post wof wdym
obligatory blast list
ranger post wof for example has like, twice the amount of post mech or post alt mechs
the only class this is true for is summoner, but that class is low on weapons in any case
i love using phone for screenshots so fun!
inner anvil
Y'all wanna' see Memes' To-Do list of balancing?
neat linden
I certainly do
inner anvil
neat linden
so true
eternal escarp
rogue is the same case as ranger incase someone wouldve come up to exclaim how rogue also has less weapons comparably
so idk what the suggestor means tbh
frosty trellis
Wait you did the rest of summoner already????
frosty trellis
Yes
New content isn't done
Implying you finished balancing current summoner
Since that's all that's there
inner anvil
Both are not done.
frosty trellis
Ah
inner anvil
Goofy trollface with sunglasses smoking a cigar while saying "Lol?".
eternal escarp
inner anvil
Thanks Blast.
frosty trellis
LOL
swift wharf
death
frosty trellis
Let me help /hj
inner anvil
It was buffed technically.
The actual document of Post-ML Summoner balancing! The leaks!
frosty trellis
Well I mean the scaling was toned the fuck down so it was nerfed in that sense
inner anvil
The scaling was double, it ain't double anymore, so simple.
frosty trellis
Fair enough
inner anvil
But hey, there were more things that I buffed than nerfed.
eternal escarp
i should do a ranger grand rebalancing
inner anvil
And Xyk should do Melee.
inner anvil
I bring peace, you all bring catastrophe.
eternal escarp
no i bring strictly arson
inner anvil
Same thing.
eternal escarp
inner anvil
Damn you predicted me.
eternal escarp
always a step ahead
small timber
there is no tester for balancing for classless weapons and non-direct damage accessory like spore sac?
inner anvil
It's the 5 of us.
And classless weapons are more for me because only summoner uses them basically, buuut we ignore that part.
And accesories is all of us testers.
inner anvil
That's also all of us.
inner anvil
We're the mafia though.
But yeah, this doesn't mean the 5 of us are the only testers.
small timber
armor balancing is Step 1: rework most rogue armor set bonus;
more damage than auric penumbra armor, titanium tarragon set, rage and wrath potion empyrean set
inner anvil
We're more to the... more "Dedicated" part.
As we are the ones who change stats.
And do balancing.
small timber
even god slayer have a out of nowhere effect where you just get +10% damage, crit and velocity on full hp because why not
inner anvil
Other testers assure quality and give feedback.
frosty trellis
So God slayer is now a nohitter armor?????
eternal escarp
terraria burnout is starting i cant hide from it
inner anvil
High School*.
eternal escarp
that too
inner anvil
I've got exams next week, I shouldn't be here, neither should I be testing.
Can someone tell me to get out of here?
eternal escarp
get out of here right now or no summoner for you
inner anvil
Damn ok, ok, don't do anything to summoner.
eternal escarp
i will personslly test every summon weapon if you dont leave
inner anvil
Didn't need to go that hard.
eternal escarp
inner anvil
Leaves chat in an epic way.
eternal escarp
small timber
No need to credit in the suggestion itself
Personally I dont mind no credit, and additionally it is actually part of the rule where you shouldnt credit in the suggestion (since it will just bloat the text, similar to starting with "hey it is ya boi ..... here today with another hot suggestion")
Ya just edit it is gucci
crude geode
Calamity fix every vanilla problem challenge
drowsy plank
i mean it isn't the worst idea i guess
swift wharf
~~there is no tester for balancing for classless weapons and non-direct damage a...
evil accessory
forget buffing it
i want it GONE
frosty trellis
@eternal escarp Is there a reason the polter clone isn't blacklisted for Molecular Manipulator? It ended up twice my screen size and scared the shit outta me
swift wharf
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
drowsy plank
swift wharf
frosty trellis
That's the clone
swift wharf
this is extremely funny
drowsy plank
the weapon actually does decent damage but
swift wharf
frosty trellis
Hey @pastel crow Ram abuse breaks Devils Sunrise
worthy lintel
||again?||
frosty trellis
Wdym again?
frosty trellis
I'm trying out every pre polter post prov melee weapon on Polter
drowsy plank
devil's sunrise is
truly one of the weapons ever
frosty trellis
And then I just went ramming and pulled off this bullshit
I assume by your roles you are a tester Spider?
worthy lintel
i am but im on hiatus till i finish my new pc
frosty trellis
Fair enough
Well, hopefully Xyk can see this monstrosity
I have seen melee completely out of whack these past few days
Have you seen the horror that is Galileo Gladius Spider?
worthy lintel
frosty trellis
worthy lintel
that shit used to be nohit viable
frosty trellis
I would pay attention to the remaining health
worthy lintel
lore-accurate fight duration
frosty trellis
I spent 13 fucking minutes to get half of his hp off since I can do DoG phase 1 all day
worthy lintel
im not sure why that weapon got sliced as hard as it did
frosty trellis
Beats me
worthy lintel
last time gladius was mentionned in dev was 3 months ago
💀
prime case of a weapon that was overnerfed indeed...
cobalt pewter
just make them gimmick guns like water gun and slime gun
drowsy plank
@dawn trellis jokes on you matter manipulator is actually one of the better weapons on polterghast!
cobalt pewter
honestly, for weapons lf such confusing gimmick, I kinda don't understand why they're proper guns
we have a precedent for gimmick guns
make these size manipulating guns deal no damage and remove one of them ig
swift wharf
clueless
drowsy plank
it is a funny weapon but id still argue it's one of the more unique ones
no real reason to butcher it tbh
crude geode
martians p sure
pastel crow
Hey <@417390376350121986> Ram abuse breaks Devils Sunrise
lul
drowsy plank
MPG is doing polter melee testing and just
every true melee weapon is getting 1:30 times
drowsy plank
grax got a 2:50 and it's a hammer
cobalt pewter
axe*
drowsy plank
it's a tool and it's overperforming by 10 seconds
crude geode
this sugg seems fine
swift wharf
use the molecular manipulator with true melee weapons
crude geode
doesn't solve my problem that the functions of the weapon aren't unique but "rework every single mage drae weapon" is kinda big
cobalt pewter
it's at least a step
swift wharf
blame fallout or smth
cobalt pewter
be glad they weren't ALL guns
shut up iban
......
swift wharf
wtf
crude geode
be glad they weren't ALL guns
there's mage drae weapons that aren't guns?
cobalt pewter
yea
crude geode
ah I see
drowsy plank
melee gun...
bright crag
I'm perfectly fine with mage arsenal being just guns
Would be really weird to have tomes, wands or staves
cobalt pewter
staff could work to an extent
crude geode
I'm just saying the function is. boring.
drowsy plank
the only thing i could imagine is maybe a couple could be wand/staff
crude geode
you could have eldritch tome esque tentacle weapon re-themed as electric bolts
drowsy plank
true
cobalt pewter
wand or staff can be done
tome, very not likely
what else is there on magic weapons
bright crag
Only issue I see with Mage arsenal is
Gauss Pistol needs a rework
drowsy plank
behold; a car battery!
cobalt pewter
Gauss Pistol is T2?
frosty trellis
So it turned out that ramming and lingering projectiles on polter is stupid
bright crag
Tesla Cannon is nice
Plasma Caster is pretty
Gatling Laser is really fucking powerful
frosty trellis
*So it turned out that ramming and lingering projectiles on polter is stupid*
@pastel crow Sorry for another ping but this is dumb
cobalt pewter
Gatling Laser is stupid
in that it melts but it's also simultaneously a copy of another vanilla weapon
cobalt pewter
(I know that because I used Gatling Laser to nohit Duke)