#suggestions-discussion

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inner anvil
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I prefer others doing their stuff and I deal with that and others don't worry.

golden kayak
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Gigachad behaviour

swift wharf
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I love RIVs

inner anvil
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I think RIVs lost their meaning after Malice lost them.

crude geode
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Indeed

swift wharf
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true....

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spear of destiny got butchered so hard

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sobbing

crude geode
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Spear of what

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Sounds like a boring weapon

swift wharf
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ex ichor spear riv

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😭😭😭

crude geode
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ik it’s boring tho so who cares

swift wharf
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yeah but it was good so get owned

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(exo shiv mindset)

drowsy plank
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i love how the wiki describes it

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"When fired, it throws out a projectile identical to the Ichor Spear..."

ruby plover
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so true

swift wharf
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😭

drowsy plank
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one of them needs to die

inner anvil
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Delete Spear of Destiny and give Ichor Spear Spear of Destiny's sprite.

crude geode
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Very true

inner anvil
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Literally what happened with AMR and Skullsmasher I think.

drowsy plank
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yeah

crude geode
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So why didn’t it happen with Ichor Spear and Spear of Destiny

inner anvil
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Because we are lazy.

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Or we forgot.

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Or both.

crude geode
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sounds about right

drowsy plank
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speaking of what probably started this convo, Valediction literally just got Reaper's old sprite when it got moved to Old Duke lmao

frosty trellis
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@inner anvil What's the testing kill time for Old Duke?

half imp
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It is? how hard of a nerf

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I assume it has to be nerfed hard to make up for actually scaling with summon damage now

drowsy plank
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i dont feel like i can aptly make this a sugg, and i want to get responses first on if i should even try, but i think a lot of recipes in cal, mostly lategame ranger trying to share the same 3 guns for like 8 different upgrades, are very dumb. unsuprisingly a lot of these have "(donor)" before them so changing them will be a pain in the ass, but i think these changes could be nice

📎 dumb_recipes.txt
cobalt pewter
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classic donor moment

drowsy plank
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6 donor items...

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i still haven't been able to do anything about the universal genesis duplicate recipes because helixas seems to have gone completely off the grid

cobalt pewter
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incredible

hot zephyr
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rubico prime should not upgrade into soma prime

drowsy plank
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i know nothing about warframe tbf, but why?

hot zephyr
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rubico prime is basically Warframe's heavy sniper

cobalt pewter
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soma prime is dev yes? is it on the same rules as donor?

hot zephyr
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soma prime is basically Warframe's close-mid ranged submachine gun

drowsy plank
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damn, i had a hunch, but terraria is really lacking in good guns to upgrade from tbh, but that's fair, and P90 is def one of the easier ones to get, i just wanted to try and give rubico more of a purpose lmao

hot zephyr
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truth is that uhh

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rubico's implementation in Calamity is super lame

drowsy plank
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yeah. i mean it really does just read like. gun 12 on the wiki

hot zephyr
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soma prime got a rework to make it more like a Warframe weapon

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Rubico is just forever in Soma's shadow lol

drowsy plank
cobalt pewter
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rubico prime is the uh

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donor weapon?

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unfortunate

frosty trellis
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Rubico prime is like the third best ranger weapon for Yharon but okay

drowsy plank
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damn it should really be on class setups then lmaoooooo

hot zephyr
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if rubico was cool it'd get innate multishot, supercrits and slash/impact DoTs

cobalt pewter
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(if it's donor, then it could never be based anymore as they can't just rework it)

hot zephyr
cobalt pewter
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(we love capitalism)

frosty trellis
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I should redo class setups myself if I knew how to make that work lmao

frosty trellis
drowsy plank
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MPG i will do all the html/whatever the fuck the wiki is coded in if you're willing to tell me what is good/bad

frosty trellis
cobalt pewter
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imagine taking class setups seriously

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:clueless:

frosty trellis
drowsy plank
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i do a lot of editing for that page

half imp
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I know how to make it work

drowsy plank
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just send me the docs on what is worth keeping/removing

half imp
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glad it's not raw html that'd be so much less user friendly

drowsy plank
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true

frosty trellis
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Also for every post ml summoner category Eldritch Soul Artifact should be in every summoner category for the 2 minion slots it gives

cobalt pewter
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I'm still on the camp of ESA rework to not be cringe

half imp
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eldritch soul is low-key not worth it usually in my experience but idk

frosty trellis
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2 slots is 2 slots

half imp
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yeah but one slot and 15% damage is better I find usually

frosty trellis
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Fair enough

half imp
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papyrus scarab hard carry

frosty trellis
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Oh that

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That's

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A bug

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Papyrus Scarab and Statis's Curse isn't supposed to stack

half imp
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all the vanilla items stack with nucleogenesis

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iirc

frosty trellis
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That's not supposed to happen

crude geode
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they're. not meant to anymore.

half imp
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huh

frosty trellis
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That's a bug

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Read the description of the items

half imp
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yes i know, I just assumed that meant the modded ones below it since that's how it works

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Wait actually

frosty trellis
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Read the one for statis curse

half imp
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Statis blessing doesn't have the tooltip

frosty trellis
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Oh

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Huh

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Statis's Curse does that I know

half imp
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yeah

frosty trellis
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So it's not a bug

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Huh

half imp
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yeah

frosty trellis
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Slap papyrus scarab on every single summoner page then

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Kek

half imp
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Yup

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and necromantic scroll too

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the goats

frosty trellis
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Think Scarab is enough

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Don't want to make people think summoner is too offesnive

swift wharf
half imp
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summoner is basically glass cannon so it's ok

swift wharf
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why is gel in every ranged setup

frosty trellis
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Because it's the only ammunition for flamethrowers

swift wharf
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i hate it

half imp
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lol

swift wharf
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EXACTLY

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IT'S COMMON SENSE

crude geode
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just delete class setups

half imp
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Add a new gel

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make pink gel work as fuel or something

swift wharf
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oh sorry I was using pink gel
-said no one ever

crude geode
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not a new concept, but still impossible iirc

drowsy plank
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@frosty trellis okay all the changes you suggested are now live (esa, cresent removal, add rubico)

it's really not that hard to fix it, i just need advice from people who actually know what they're talking about

swift wharf
half imp
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yeah it's an easy edit to do

swift wharf
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just use any weapons you find on god

hot zephyr
drowsy plank
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lmao

hot zephyr
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do you really want the fandom class setups page to be the one people flock to (more than usual)

frosty trellis
drowsy plank
hot zephyr
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because you bet your ass it's not getting deleted even if we wanted to

frosty trellis
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Kk

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Because I've done some amount of testing

drowsy plank
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i realize

swift wharf
crude geode
hot zephyr
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additionally, the weapon pages for cal are so horribly set up that class setups needs to exist

swift wharf
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wasn't a copyright thingy filed against fandom a while ago

cobalt pewter
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I have a sudden arson thoughts onto Fandom HQ, idk why

cobalt pewter
half imp
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one day I wanna go through and fix the weapon pages

hot zephyr
half imp
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But I'm not that motivated

swift wharf
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ohhh

half imp
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I know how to do it just don't have the dedication

hot zephyr
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go on, read this as a new player

swift wharf
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actually this is incredibly true

hot zephyr
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even if you sort by rarity to try and get an order of progression it's going to still be jank as fuck

swift wharf
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I remember going in the vanilla wiki

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opened the armors page

crude geode
swift wharf
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scrolled down and used the last one because if it's the last it's the best

hot zephyr
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this isn't perfect, but it's waaaaay better than cal's

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drowsy plank
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we are actually getting an armor progression page for calamity's wiki at least

half imp
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i wish I knew enough to make a weapon progression page for even just one class

hot zephyr
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additionally, it'd be needlessly complicated to actually go through the wiki as a new player

half imp
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and had the motivation

hot zephyr
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you could restructure everything but eventually you'd just loop back around into Class Setups 2

half imp
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the worst thing though is trying to find true melee stuff on the cal wiki

crude geode
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byeah

half imp
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I think the true melee page might be out of date unless that was fixed (it's been like a month)

swift wharf
half imp
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lol

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I do like our wiki tables being sortable but that's it

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since mediawiki lets you set a primary and secondary sort it's somewhat useful for progression

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but sorting by damage and by rarity is way worse than just having a good page

rancid gust
hot zephyr
rancid gust
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Yes, alphabetical order
There has been discussion about this few days ago actually

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But the "progression" order in the vanilla weapons page is kinda jank, and would be even more so in calamity due to all the non linearity

crude geode
hot zephyr
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💀

rancid gust
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Sorry the wiki contributor in me had to do justice to the weapons page HDfailure

hot zephyr
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the weapons page sucks

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it's useless to anyone but wiki contribs

half imp
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it'd be cool to just have a page seperated by what's available after each boss

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assuming you do all bosses in progression before it

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but a lot of work to sort that out

crude geode
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@oak sage already planned

oak sage
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o

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okay ty lol

swift wharf
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rename dragonfruit to Rokakaka

cobalt pewter
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jojo reference

hot zephyr
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suggestion to make me lead admin of the calamity mod discord server so I can ban jojo fans

devout shell
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Perfect

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Everyone go home, the perfect suggestion has been made

cobalt pewter
crude geode
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if you're banning cringy fans you'd have to ban a lot more than jojo

hot zephyr
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I've got my methods

cobalt pewter
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speaking of JoJo reference

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is Stellar Knife exist

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(as in is it good atm)

swift wharf
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what is a jojo

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like the paper brand

frosty trellis
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@hollow shell

cobalt pewter
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god.

swift wharf
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noo I missed the funny

hollow shell
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b

oak sage
frosty trellis
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LOL

drowsy plank
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we can remove it with the MGRR references XD

cobalt pewter
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putting JoJo on fair play here, there's like 2 JoJo references tops in cal compared to 150 MGR refs

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actually it's probably exactly just 2 refs

sleek turret
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caca fruit

cobalt pewter
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Stellar Knife and Dragonfruit

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oh 3

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clothier's donor name

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(who cares about that one tbh)

crude geode
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Donor names are cheating lol

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There’s probably a countless number of refs in there and they’re harmless

cobalt pewter
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it's still significantly less than MGR in that regard HDfailure

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and I think I prefer it that way

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just get rid of most MGR refs instead

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starting from the buggy mess that is the hp bar

crude geode
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god

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hate that so much

cobalt pewter
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right now I'm just using vanilla because it just looks so much better

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even if I lack info

crude geode
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I know there’s a cal texture pack but like does it even make the hp bar look better in terms of the ui/looks of terraria with said hp bar

cobalt pewter
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idk if ctp tackles vanill hp bar yet actually

oak sage
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i dont see the problem with references

oak sage
# oak sage the dragonfruit sprite is directly based off the Rokakaka from jojo so you might...

also im a jojo fan. i have bias like everyone.

Heres my take on references:
References add flavor to a game and act as a treat, and are rarely invasive towards the actual gameplay(Really, how many times has Soma Prime being from Warframe broke your immersion?).

They usually feel unintrusive when they meet most of these criteria:

A. Any creator involved is interested in the subject of the reference
B. The reference is fitting to the item
C. The reference is not cut-and-paste to an extreme extent
D. The reference is changed enough to fit in with the non-reference content
E. The reference can't be seen as a fad

frosty trellis
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@bright crag Ghastly Visage is a weapon of all time

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bright crag
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That I know :p

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I'm balancing some weapons now, and I should do a full swipe on Mage eventually

frosty trellis
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Well

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I can give you the stats for the other 9 mage weapons in 2 hours tops

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I'm relatively good at DoG

bright crag
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Well, if you wanna, ok

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Thank you

frosty trellis
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Not a problem at all!

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Having a ton of fun testing shit out!

bright crag
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Same

frosty trellis
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Have you seen the horror that is Galileo Gladius?

bright crag
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Nope
I haven't played Melee at all

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And I'm really not fit for testing a shortsword on DoG

frosty trellis
bright crag
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God

frosty trellis
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Look at the remaining hp

frosty trellis
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Just Galileo is

bright crag
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Well, that should be fixed eventually
Melee is still going through some changes, so we are kinda hesitant on balancing weps that will be changed soon

swift wharf
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it's quite simple to use

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even without omniswing

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it just appears that it sucks now

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before it was really good

frosty trellis
bright crag
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I balanced AotC because it's my favorite weapon it doesn't get affected by melee speed at all

frosty trellis
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I can't wait for Ark to get buffed so it can be viable on SCal again

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Best I can get ark with a balanced loadout is 5:30

swift wharf
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well it's viable

frosty trellis
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With a very skilled completion since I am very good with Ark

bright crag
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Oh, also
Guess what absurdly impractical weapon is getting buffed next update

frosty trellis
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Infinity?

bright crag
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To a point where it's actually usable on some bosses

bright crag
frosty trellis
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Thank god

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That thing is so bad

bright crag
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It should be quite good now

frosty trellis
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Lets go!

bright crag
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Same as Phangasm, which was also resprited

frosty trellis
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But what absurdly impractical weapon?

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YOOOOOOOOO

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PHANGASM REDEMPTION ARC

swift wharf
bright crag
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Go child, use it on SCal

frosty trellis
bright crag
frosty trellis
swift wharf
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idk/c about gimmicky weapons

bright crag
frosty trellis
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Well fair

swift wharf
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funny how really good weapons just suck now

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truly

frosty trellis
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Something that isn't drat is nice for her

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Despite anyone with a brain knowing you should do exos first as ranger

swift wharf
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very true

bright crag
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Picking between Phangasm and Gale AAAAA

swift wharf
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or rogue

frosty trellis
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Okay but please tell us what the absurdly impractical weapon is?

swift wharf
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gale is getting da rework

frosty trellis
bright crag
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It's Art Attack
Art Attack is viable for Plantera, Golem, Ravager and Lunatic Cultist

frosty trellis
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FINALLY

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LETS GO

bright crag
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x9 buff :kek

frosty trellis
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LOL

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Well

bright crag
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Would've needed x20 to be viable on all bosses up to Cultist

frosty trellis
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I'm going to be off to do the only 9 mage weapons for DoG now and will get back to you soon Venus

frosty trellis
bright crag
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This is tested btw

frosty trellis
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Well I figured

bright crag
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Well, have fun testing

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Please ping me with the results
Thank you!

distant comet
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Hi guys 1

frosty trellis
swift wharf
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art attack buff was already mentioned

bright crag
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Well, have another surprise

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Alula Australis got some homing
And I'm still testing it

swift wharf
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what's alula australis

bright crag
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Aureus Mage drop

royal tapir
swift wharf
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is it new

bright crag
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Shoots a wavy bolt that makes stars fall

royal tapir
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1.4.5 addition

bright crag
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^

swift wharf
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literally never seen it

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I know the deus magic drop

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starfall

royal tapir
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Aureus weapon drops not named Nebulash:
tumbleweed

bright crag
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It won't be forgettable anymore

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Starfall was buffed too

swift wharf
royal tapir
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Come on Stippy, we all know Infinity was the most important balance

bright crag
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AotC and Phangasm:

royal tapir
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Infinity supersedes both 🚎

bright crag
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Nightglow (my beloved) too if it was buffed that much

royal tapir
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Phangasm close second

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Nightglow buff allowing me to kill Yharon in 11:30 instead of 12:00

bright crag
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No more melting Cultist

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But it's now more viable against ML and PBG

royal tapir
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Oh yeah, using it on-tier is a thing

bright crag
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Anyways, good night

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@bright crag

royal tapir
crude geode
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lmao

royal tapir
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So nice to actually have that emoji in here

drowsy plank
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a mimir

frosty trellis
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@bright crag Here ya go

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Wait

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Oop

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THERE Ya go

hot zephyr
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go on, use asgardian aegis on scal/mechs

manic fractal
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I mean I done it before

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It’s what I see most ppl doing

hot zephyr
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void sash is fine

half sage
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can't wait for next update when both ramming and the dodge won't trigger debuffs and defense damage prayge

small timber
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30Cd dodge on end game stat item is broken, as in literally

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there is a reason nothing after evasion scarf ever have similar effect, the effect gets stronger later into the game

frosty trellis
small timber
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for reference a late game dodge effect on standard cooldown is 90second CD, or even 120second CD in the case of The Evolution

manic fractal
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For when you dash into an enemy

small timber
half sage
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only for contact damage tho

frosty trellis
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Yeah

manic fractal
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That’s what I meant

half sage
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so can't dodge through shit like ohio beam

manic fractal
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Mb

frosty trellis
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Ohio Isn't that hard to dodge

half sage
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which you would be able to with void sash if this buff went through

half sage
frosty trellis
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Yeah fair

manic fractal
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I meant to say for only contact damage

frosty trellis
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The problem wtih void sash stems from the fact it's dash is too long and the ram is just significantly better

small timber
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if you mean only for contact damage then it make a weird case where you basically have 2 rams effect except one give dodge the other one give knockback immunity + debuff immunity

frosty trellis
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And like, I want aegis for exos because I can still ram Thanatos after GDR because Thanatos is a bitch

small timber
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I think void sash definitely need a buff, it is worse than asgardian aegis right now, but definitely not in this way

manic fractal
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Alr that’s fair

small timber
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this just make the distinct identity of the two items blend together

distant gyro
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there was a discussion so long ago about this earlier

half sage
small timber
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personally I think ideal is to move debuff immunity from valor/aegis line to void sash line, somehow, but ya there is definitely better solution

distant gyro
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i think because some testers thought that dodges shouldn't be buffed and there's really no better way to buff sash without reworking

small timber
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(or rather, make debuff immunity its own line)

manic fractal
cobalt pewter
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thanatos more like

thanos

distant gyro
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honestly speaking the aegis line should lose the ability to ram

cobalt pewter
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(kinda cringe boss)

small timber
manic fractal
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Yea

frosty trellis
distant gyro
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it is good enough already without ramming

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people can COPE

frosty trellis
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I would like to keep my sanity while fighting Yharon

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And DoG

manic fractal
small timber
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I think ideal is aegis lose debuff immunity (aka ankh shield), then ankh shield become its own line, then void sash gain addition effect

basically Aegis line get nerfed, void sash get buffed and another line of new "ankh shield item" is introduced

manic fractal
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Oh ok

cobalt pewter
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not sure how you'd even expand from debuff immunity

more debuff immunity?

small timber
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or make it combine with rampart line

distant gyro
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we really needed this discussion again

frosty trellis
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Rampart really does not need a buff

small timber
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rampart is already quite stupid as of right now

frosty trellis
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Rampart is one of my go-tos

cobalt pewter
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Rampart is pretty good already I think

distant gyro
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@hot zephyr @pastel crow you two can talk about why you don't want dodges buffed

manic fractal
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What to do about void sash then

frosty trellis
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I'm not saying they should be

cobalt pewter
frosty trellis
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Void Sash just needs some sort of buff

hot zephyr
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dodges are great, they just have a higher skill floor than rams

small timber
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I think if want to buff void sash probably don't buff the dodges itself yeah, but in other effect instead

frosty trellis
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Yeah

distant gyro
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if aegis is significantly overshadowing and sash is fine then the solution is nerf aegis

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it seems pretty clear

frosty trellis
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Nerf the dash length as well because it's a bit too long for it to be useful on Yharon and SCal

hot zephyr
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back when dodges had a lower cooldown, they were kinda stupidly broken, because you could combo it with GSD to iframe god

small timber
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I still liked the magiluminescence idea but I dont think it thematically make much sense, just the effect will fit

hot zephyr
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aegis just needs to lose all the unnecessary shit like the +28 def and extra life

distant gyro
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i mean

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then it's not a shield

small timber
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I think the ideal nerf for aegis will be just remove debuff immunity, it is the only good nerf without directly killing the main purpose of the accessory

distant gyro
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wtf are you doing making a shield a dash accessory

frosty trellis
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Aegis doesn't have an extra life????

distant gyro
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and not a shield

cobalt pewter
manic fractal
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I mean it’s both

cobalt pewter
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idk

hot zephyr
distant gyro
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by extension there's no ankh shield upgrade

hot zephyr
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am I forgetting something

cobalt pewter
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well I think rams start from Ornate Shield no

manic fractal
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Yea

frosty trellis
cobalt pewter
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hold on, lemme see this stupid aegis tree

distant gyro
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yes

small timber
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just for easier reference

manic fractal
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Alr

small timber
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(fuck it didnt line up sideway)

frosty trellis
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Hmmm

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What if we gave Void Sash damage?

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Like some sort of 5% damage buff?

hot zephyr
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aegis could just lose some defense and have the extra health (and by extension, life fruit from the recipe

hot zephyr
distant gyro
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ocean = water boost
ornate = ram
ankh = debuff / kb immunity

small timber
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probably not ideal I feel, at least I dont like just slapping damage on random stuff

frosty trellis
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Fair

small timber
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it used to also be the case for DR which is removed

hot zephyr
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if void sash really needs extra stats, it can just get movement speed

distant gyro
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i still think aegis' biggest value is the ram though

manic fractal
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Maybe

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Yea

frosty trellis
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The ram is why I use it though

distant gyro
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that shit is genuinely a dodge if it procs every 4 seconds

manic fractal
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Even if void dash is good the ram is just much easier and more convenient

distant gyro
#

it's more broken than any other accessory in the game

frosty trellis
#

And also void sash needs a nerf in dash length because it's horrid if you accidentally dash during the SCal bullet hells

small timber
#

personally the idea I liked the most is magiluminscence effect, because it do help with dodging

the effect is always a "good effect that don't worth an accessory slot" kind of effect, similar to gravistar sabaton

frosty trellis
distant gyro
#

i mean

manic fractal
#

Fast

distant gyro
#

you can compile a clip of ram abuse used at every progression

small timber
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mainly help with overdashing since void sash dodge is super long, sometimes too long and dodge into other projectile

cobalt pewter
distant gyro
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maybe by then you will realize how broken all of it is

cobalt pewter
#

at least no more judging by the wiki

hot zephyr
#

yeah right

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the life fruits died

distant gyro
#

a worm boss is circling you? how about entirely escaping by double tapping with zero consequences

manic fractal
frosty trellis
distant gyro
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(otherwise you'd have to rod and take 15 seconds to consider your actions)

cobalt pewter
red stormBOT
cobalt pewter
#

fuck yeah typed it right

#

let's go

distant gyro
manic fractal
#

Alr thanks

distant gyro
#

remember

frosty trellis
#

Oh wow

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Just making rams more broken ic

distant gyro
#

this just made the ram insanely broken

small timber
cobalt pewter
#

after looking at the tree

distant gyro
#

nah

small timber
#

I mean the innate one they have

distant gyro
#

aegis debuff immunity is useless

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for its point of progression

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it's nothing more than qol

cobalt pewter
#

I think Shield of the Ocean can be removed from Asgard's Valor's recipe?

manic fractal
#

So solution is nerf aegis instead of buff void

small timber
#

for valor the debuff immunity is surprisingly useful, for aegis yeah it is not much

cobalt pewter
#

it seems like the one giving the def stat

distant gyro
#

when are you going to get stoned post-dog

cobalt pewter
#

and remove the extra hp on elysian aegis

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I am really not sure what to think of Elysian Guard tho

distant gyro
#

or any of ankh's debuffs

cobalt pewter
#

does anyone even use it

distant gyro
#

ankh's biggest benefit is to counter feral bite from OD

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and even then i think people still prefer aegis over valor for OD

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former of which does not inherit ankh

half sage
#

OD does feral bite?

distant gyro
#

so ankh inheritance is basically nigh useless but it should still be there for coherent upgrades sake

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that or calamity never adds an upgrade to ankh ever and it becomes a dead end vanilla line which sounds worse somehow

cobalt pewter
distant gyro
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i think shield of the ocean can be removed

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it has a good sprite... that's it

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reusing the sprite for something else

small timber
#

what if make ankh shield combine with hero shield or something, and aegis just lose ankh shield completely (including asgard's valor)

cobalt pewter
#

actually I'm not sure what would fit a shield-oriented starfish sprite

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but I think the shield's removal is fine

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it adds little to Victide anyways

small timber
#

since ankh shield effect is established to be unnecessary for valor/aegis anyway

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can also serve to simplify the recipe so that farming ankh shield is no longer essential just to get one of the best accessory in the game

cobalt pewter
#

weren't our goal to make the ram shields less of a must-have?

distant gyro
#

that is more of a recipe discussion than a balance discussion

manic fractal
#

Yea

small timber
#

problem is ram shield is the identity of the accessory

distant gyro
#

in fact if ankh is removed that's honestly a buff

manic fractal
#

👎

distant gyro
#

it makes valor even bigger of a must have

cobalt pewter
#

it's more accessible

manic fractal
#

Yea

distant gyro
#

since it makes it trivially easy to get

cobalt pewter
#

but what did I want to say shit

tardy geyser
#

valor would lose kb immunity no?

distant gyro
#

if it upgrades paladin like xpc mentioned then no

small timber
#

ornate can still dash through right?

distant gyro
#

ornate, valor, aegis is the ram line

small timber
#

if remove ankh shield from valor it basically means it lose knockback immune except when dashing

manic fractal
distant gyro
#

both names end with aegis so

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same thing

manic fractal
#

True

thorn dock
#

Can I already re-suggest it? Last time is just 3 weeks ago, but it failed voting by 10 or lower votes I suppose

Screenshot_20220926_085823.jpg
small timber
#

probably should be fine yeah

distant gyro
#

why is that in posting

thorn dock
distant gyro
#

if you ask for a base damage buff then that could be done so easily without reposting like 3 times

thorn dock
#

Who should I ping?

distant gyro
#

im here HDfailure

thorn dock
#

Most ppl think he is very underwhelming. Only boss he sometimes kinda oneshots due to unwarp is the destroyer 😅

#

unwrap

#

Could you undergo a testing procedure for him altix?

tardy geyser
#

other than the shield bash i think valor/aegis' biggest strength is the kb immunity, were as ninja gear+ requires you to wear another accessory if you want to be immune. removing ankh and from the line (possibly giving it its own) as well as slightly reducing aegis's defense and removing its health bonus would be enough to balance them out imo

thorn dock
#

🙃

small timber
#

ok this is what I think as of now since there seems to be no perfect solution:

Asgard's Valor - lose Ankh Shield hence debuff + knockback immune, you still get the knockback immune of Ornate Shield but only when dashing/ramming
(this should also apply to like Elysian Aegis and Asgardian Aegis); maybe remove Shield of the Ocean too as mentioned above therefore any liquid based effect

Ankh Shield - added to maybe Hero Shield and create a new line, Rampart = focus on utility such as philosopher stone and star veil, this line = purely defensive stats; can maybe inherit the Shield of the Ocean effect

Void Sash - get magiluminescence effect (still the old idea I had, I dont really know how to buff this), or maybe like flight time or hook speed or something

#

anything I missed?

#

you still get 2 line of knockback immunity if you wish to invest in it, just you no longer get a 2 in 1 from Asgard's Valor/Aegis line

distant gyro
#

i can immediately notice something bad with mutated truffle

#

it uses iframes that conflict with summons

#

awesome

manic fractal
#

Also the rampart has kb resistance, so at that stage you could use that with void

spring sail
#

It’s really hard to balance aegis and sash unless sash gets the percentage dodge chance, like even ornate shield is somewhat better than sash

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Or just cut the cooldown to 40s or so, 90s is way too much and currently all dodges and reflects are basically unusable

hot zephyr
#

lol 40s is fucking insane

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60s was overpowered

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75 seconds is like, the absolute limit

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sash is fine, one can make the argument for dash distance changes or added stats/functionality but as you lower that cooldown things start to break

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it's a situational pick but excels where it's good

cobalt pewter
#

40s is nuts

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lmao

#

rams are the one overpowered here, that's the entire topic

hot zephyr
#

sash absolutely has a high skill floor, if you're experienced enough to manage to avoid most attacks, it'll cover your ass for those you can't

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if you're going to get hit multiple times in succession obviously it isn't nearly as strong because you lose the benefit of a surefire way of holding onto your adrenaline

spring sail
#

How are you supposed to survive Yharon dash with sash

hot zephyr
#

key word

spring sail
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Or Exo

hot zephyr
#

situational

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idk about you but I never really needed to ram exos

spring sail
#

So basically sash is a bit better than aegis for scal

hot zephyr
#

especially on classes with GSD

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the issue is that aegis just is kinda broken, giving a ton of defensive stats along with the ram

cobalt pewter
#

eh, it's probably just me but I personally do not enjoy using GSD

#

but yes aegis is broken

#

it feels more like an echo chamber every second here, already established points getting repeated all over

hot zephyr
tardy smelt
umbral dew
#

aegis is just fine as it is

small timber
#

the only big difference of ram and void sash/ninja gear dash is just that it is an additional insurance for dashing both into and away from the enemy, while ninja gear can only dash away

I actually think the biggest weakness of ninja gear/void sash is the lack of kb immunity, by which removing it from valor line will definitely put it in-line with sash

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it is just people will complain about it (aka 30 votes suggestion) because it is a gigantic nerf

eternal escarp
#

@elder mist i think

long ridge
#

Uh

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Bot?

zenith hazel
#

shut up bro you're banned

half imp
#

Yharon dashless is definitely the harder one unless you cheese with portal gun or something

soft quest
# small timber it is just people will complain about it (aka 30 votes suggestion) because it is...

As much as I hate the meta, taking away kb resist is kind of the dumbest way to balance that out. Stun locking is just so fucking dumb it’s one of the sins of game design. Now I usually always pick sash over valor so I can attest that those scenarios don’t happen too often, but still, in the scenarios that it does happen it’s just so goddamn annoying, especially considering that the valor is the more “brute force” version of the sash

cobalt pewter
#

maybe an alternative to kb immune like how calcium potion exists despite fall damage immunity existing in even early game with horseshoe and wings (starting from Fledgling)

small timber
frail mantle
#

the game giving you knockback immunity right after the boss whose most dangerous move is a stunlock

cobalt pewter
drowsy plank
#

what if we just put it on titan scale potions

small timber
#

the other line being paladin shield line which is a pure defensive accessory, meanwhile ninja gear is a pure dodge accessory

cobalt pewter
small timber
#

so to balance it out just have asgard valor (a defensive dash option) to lose kb and invest into paladin shield line (which are also defensive) so it do fit, you just use 2 accessories instead of 1

#

bosses are tested on balance setup so the "lets just slot in 5 emblem = best build" thing dont work anyway, you can just substitute one of your normally using defensive accessory with paladin shield upgrades

drowsy plank
small timber
#

tldr give more knockback immune options instead of just putting it onto asgard's valor and assume it will be balanced

cobalt pewter
#

for later game I think post golem is a good middle of the road

cobalt pewter
#

I love Titan Heart

umbral dew
#

removing knockback immunity will kill aegis

drowsy plank
#

it still has ram

small timber
drowsy plank
#

all this talk about nerfing the dashes earlier is still very funny to me because if they get hit bad enough i WILL just use shield of cthulhu and evasion scarf lmao

umbral dew
#

dont remove knockback immunity instead make or give other class accesories knockback immunity

soft quest
small timber
#

ornate shield's dash still have knockback immune (during the dash), even if you remove ankh shield asgard's valor will just be an upgraded ornate shield

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so its main function will still be retained

rich echo
#

big grind is not equal to balanced

small timber
rich echo
#

fuck off discord deleting my slash

soft quest
#

The frigid bulwark should be brought way back in progression IMO and have that be the defensive shield, that way we have 1 offensive, 1 defensive, and 1 agility “shield”

small timber
#

frigid bulwark is now frozen shield

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(and post plant), asgard's valor is available at plant anyway

cobalt pewter
#

Frozen Shield was pretty much the exact same as Frigid Bulwark, they just needed to slap the extra DR on <25% HP to Frozen Shield

soft quest
#

Wait does frozen shield even have a dash?

small timber
#

frozen shield dont have a dash, just frigid bulwark also didn't, they are basically the same accessory with same effect

drowsy plank
#

kinda like how there were thoughts about a zenith pre-grade to mirror terratomere's line going into exoblade

soft quest
#

I just got a funny and completely broken but fun idea. Imagine a defensive shield which upon ability use completely stopped your movement and reduced almost all damage taken, but you could still fire, meaning guess what?: you can actually proc your “standing still” effects like stealths, regens, or trinket of chi for like 8 seconds in a battle

drowsy plank
#

reminds me of kirby's stone ability

main hatch
#

why did i get pinged here

#

weird

frail mantle
long ridge
#

Random guy did a @ everyone

main hatch
#

ohh

#

pain

frail mantle
#

@ everyones don't work unless you're an admin

half sage
main hatch
#

oh even more pain then

#

maybe it was just a reply that i was too late to

frail mantle
#

idk someone might have replied pinged you and then deleted it

austere zinc
#

what do you think of my suggestion otherwise

half sage
#

anyway it was a reply ping about hell's sun being pre prov not post

frail mantle
#

or the bot shat itself right as they deleted the ping and didn't log it

small timber
#

asteroid staff who

frail mantle
#

surprisingly enough i don't see asteroid staff on the death row doc

#

it'd be kinda funny if it got nanite bullet'd

#

sorry, enhanced nano round*

#

i confused it with a different but vanilla forgettable ammo

cobalt pewter
#

god

#

Asteroid Staff seems to not bring anything really new to the table yes

#

it's just another Meteor Staff

austere zinc
cobalt pewter
#

true true

gray nebula
#

i had to check if asteroid staff wanst a vanilla weapon

#

why are they the litteral same

#

😭

frail mantle
#

enhanced nano round syndrome

drowsy plank
#

but guyssss it's part of vivid clarity so that MUST mean it's important, right?

half sage
#

just replace its place in the recipe with vesuvius

cobalt pewter
#

to the ranch it goes

half sage
main hatch
#

wait the asteroid staff still exists?

swift wharf
cobalt pewter
#

oh yeah, any issues on my momentum capacitor sugg btw

#

I wanted to ask but I did the forgor

swift wharf
#

sounds fine

#

capacitor is a beast of an item

#

burden breaker v2

small timber
#

momentum capacitor is just broken by design and I dont get how it got so oversighted

#

it is literally burden breaker yeah

cobalt pewter
#

@sacred gulch no.

sacred gulch
#

Why

cobalt pewter
#

pins

sacred gulch
grave zincBOT
#

@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework Corruption's worldgen so that Eater of Worlds and Hive Mind can be reliably fought underground.]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

sacred gulch
unique vector
cobalt pewter
small timber
cobalt pewter
#

(it's a rejection btw)

small timber
#

oh, since it is a strange timing I thought it is implemented, ya a shame

gray nebula
#

a shame but imagine how annoying itd be to tamper with vanilla gen like that

small timber
#

yeah

cobalt pewter
#

explosion

drowsy plank
#

would've been cool tho but i get why

swift wharf
#

generate one giant hole made with corruption tiles

#

ez

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and put it on top of the shadow orb nearest to spawn

hollow shell
#

@sacred gulch Read the Dont's doc
Not only do we disallow adding references just for the sake of doing it, but we specifically mention MGR as something you should not make suggestions about

sacred gulch
#

Oh, sorry

#

I alredy deleted him

grim tusk
#

Fearmonger armor does not need a buff

#

People keep forgetting its supposed to be multi-class tank and not fat summoner

inner anvil
#

Whip armor.

#

I'm a seer.

swift wharf
#

dark harvest upgrade

#

😳

crude geode
small timber
#

the most appropriate buff I think will be dragonfire immunity, because its tooltip implied that it should have that effect

#

this is currently a significant issues as the boss you will use it on is yharon, by which you already sacrified significant amount of damage in order to achieve the tankiness the armor provide, you can't really sacrifice another accessory slot just to slot in dragonfire immunity (which is a big counter to fearmonger as it counteracts its life regen signifcantly); at some point you will just sacrifice too much damage and the prolonged fight will make you end up being hitted much more

inner anvil
#

Who's gonna' tell this guy?

devout shell
#

Bruh its like he went out of his way to not read the pin

soft quest
#

you could get out some disgusting dps back then with it

hollow shell
#

Oh this is a

buoyant siren
#

Chrono trigger reference?

hollow shell
#

this sure is a suggestion

inner anvil
#

Oh great you're here Rover.

#

Was about to ping you.

eternal escarp
#

wall blueprints are also from calval to put the cherry on top iirc

hot zephyr
hollow shell
#

@hollow shard You should take a look at the Suggestion Don'ts doc in the pins
Your suggestion unfortunately breaks several rules

upbeat yacht
#

yoo calamty finally added a 6th class to the game??
builder sounds so cool ngl

grim tusk
frosty trellis
inner anvil
#

The anti-example.

frosty trellis
#

Something tells me that was on purpose

grim tusk
grim tusk
safe oasis
grim tusk
#

How long does boss take to kill you

eternal escarp
#

defense regen etc

safe oasis
#

oh so you just kinda stand there and measure time for death?

grim tusk
#

There was one vid where a dude cheeses Scal with Fearmonger + fuckton of defensive accs + minions + relic of convergeance ans a hoik

soft quest
grim tusk
inner anvil
grim tusk
frosty trellis
#

Then buff void of extinction

inner anvil
#

Isn't that a damage accesory?

frosty trellis
#

That literally no one uses

grim tusk
#

Ye + immunity to a shitton of debuffs

#

Fire debuffs

soft quest
#

i remember that auric was better vs scal simply bc 2 revives, but fearmonger had more damage and long term hp recovery

hollow shell
#

(Ah I just realized that the Don'ts doc doesn't say anything about having multiple suggestions in one message)

#

(Might add that)

inner anvil
#

Isn't that a given though?

#

Like, it's kinda' obvious.

frosty trellis
#

I'm just sitting here like

#

The debuff immunity is niche

soft quest
safe oasis
#

they are not worth having at all

crude geode
frosty trellis
#

It's damage is worse than avenger emblems and destroyer emblems, not to mention just normal class emblems or other stuff you can get at the post golem tier

grim tusk
inner anvil
safe oasis
#

how

inner anvil
#

Some people just have it and it's literally their best accesory on their build.

#

And it's not a minority.

frosty trellis
eternal escarp
grim tusk
#

Black belt (from statis belt onwards) line and reflects (except Daedalus) do need buff tbh

frosty trellis
#

It's a worse version of all of them

safe oasis
#

you literally wait over a minute to dodge literally 1 hit and you still get debuffed for half of the hit's damage anyway (though i heard that's getting fixed so woohoo i think)

#

that's worse than just using a philo stone

inner anvil
#

Although if we are talking about The Evolution though.

#

Eough.

grim tusk
#

Evolution suffering

inner anvil
#

The others are fine.

frosty trellis
#

No buff void of extinction so it's not just a flat out worse destroyer emblem

inner anvil
#

We'll see.

crude geode
#

Generic dmg accessory in hm

frosty trellis
#

The problem with all the debuff immunity stuff is that at that point you never need to go back to the crags ever again

inner anvil
#

Also Dodges will not inflict you debuffs even though you dodged them next update, so boom, there's your buff.

frosty trellis
#

So all of it is completely inconsiquential

grim tusk
#

Reflects:
Daedalus melee CirrusLoveCyan
The Evolution CirrusAnger

eternal escarp
#

wow

#

well this is kinda what this

#

channel is for

grim tusk
crude geode
#

Like bruh

grim tusk
#

Also dm mod mail for server suggs

keen zodiac
#

figured i'd try

frosty trellis
crude geode
hollow shell
safe oasis
hollow shell
#

because yeah, it just gets the ❗

crude geode
#

It’s almost like it’s the point of the channel

hollow shell
#

It's the filter channel

eternal escarp
#

the channels purpose is to filter

grim tusk
eternal escarp
#

and this chsnnels purpose is to help fix or bring down invalid suggestions

frosty trellis
#

Oh it does

eternal escarp
#

simple

frosty trellis
#

I've seen some ridiculously long channel names

keen zodiac
#

yeah i get it i'll take the fucking l

hollow shell
#

(also this is a server suggestion so it should go through ModMail)

#

(probably)
(yeah)

safe oasis
#

oh that's the new rule for server suggs? when did that get set in place

grim tusk
#

Months ago

hollow shell
#

A few months ago

safe oasis
#

zam

#

never heard of it

grim tusk
#

I have suggested adding :desolage: twice and have gotten rejected wegud

safe oasis
#

owned

hollow shell
#

Mods can see and implement suggs a lot faster than devs
And all official suggs now get auto delivered to the dev server... where moderators cannot see

#

So they should go through Mail

keen zodiac
#

suggestions-posting-read-pins is not too long

#

i just tested

safe oasis
#

Calamity Main Staff Mail#5990 my beloved

hollow shell
#

neat

safe oasis
gloomy peak
#

Does anyone feel that celebration mk2 needs a balance change against Providence?

keen zodiac
hollow shell
#

Varies based on device and window size

eternal escarp
keen zodiac
#

ah i use mobile

hollow shell
gloomy peak
#

too strong

frosty trellis
#

Strong

eternal escarp
#

im prettynsure its too strong

#

ive heared of it a while ago

grim tusk
#

Why do people want op as fuck Fearmong back.
You trade dmg for being able to be fat as fuck

frosty trellis
#

Also Prideful Hunters Plannar Ripper is a fair bit too strong as well while you're hear blast

#

Was getting me a 2:4x time

eternal escarp
#

im waiting to test vanilla weapons until after 1.4.4 though

#

ill note of it too then

frosty trellis
#

Ty

gloomy peak
#

ty ty

crude geode
#

I personally dislike the change cuz it’s kinda weird that it uses a specific class’ armor for a general armor, but otherwise provides variety so

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

safe oasis
crude geode
#

It’s. not abyss.

grim tusk
#

Change 148: Nerfed Fearmonger’s chonk even more

crude geode
grim tusk
#

(For all reasons that a joke)

umbral dew
#

gave fearmonger steroids instead

swift wharf
#

make fearmonger moon buffs something cool instead of increased regen

#

so people actually use it during those

unreal viper
#

me straining myself trying not to post all my cool armor ideas.

crude geode
#

Kinda would be weird considering the future plans for that

#

Aka removing them

unreal viper
swift wharf
#

auuuuugh

hollow shell
#

Well

swift wharf
#

I forgot that

unreal viper
#

you get it after moons

hollow shell
#

Long ways away

swift wharf
#

sobbing

hollow shell
#

and can be adjusted in the future anyhow

crude geode
swift wharf
swift wharf
#

almost everything

crude geode
swift wharf
#

like 90%+

hollow shell
#

It's called having a roadmap

crude geode
#

Indeed

hollow shell
#

DoG dimension isn't even our next major update nor the major update after that one

swift wharf
frosty trellis
crude geode
#

Biome iirc

frosty trellis
#

Profaned biome?

lucid flare
#

No

swift wharf
#

biome reworks

hollow shell
#

Dunno if it's public which biome it is

frosty trellis
#

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

crude geode
#

Don’t think so

swift wharf
#

sunken sea
crags
astral

frosty trellis
#

Crags, Sunken Sea and Astral underground

swift wharf
#

plague biome when 🥺

hollow shell
#

Our next uhhh
4? 5? maybe 6 maybe 7 major updates
will all be new biomes or biome reworks

frosty trellis
#

I know are getting reworks

crude geode
#

7

#

That’s a lot

hollow shell
#

Wow it turns out I'm not even exaggerating, it could actually be 7 full updates

#

just checked

inner anvil
#

1 year for each.

#

Let's go.

crude geode
#

reminder that the roadmap is hidden for a reason

#

(so people don't lose their shit when it changes)

inner anvil
#

Is there even a roadmap?

#

Can I know?

hollow shell
hollow shell
#

It is ultimately a tentative schedule

inner anvil
crude geode
#

is the caveat that hk silksong has to come out b4 next major update thonk

hollow shell
#

yes HDFailure

crude geode
inner anvil
#

Can I at least know the actual caveat? HDfailure

umbral dew
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calamity users try not to mention hollow knight or ultrakill for 1 second

hollow shell
hot zephyr
inner anvil
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🤨

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Hold your thoughts then.

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I don't see why I can't know, but I won't obligate.

crude geode
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first time i've seen that word b4

crude geode
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(insert penumbra potion shittalk)

hot zephyr
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penumbra already dead

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fearmonger troll

crude geode
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I love balance updates

inner anvil
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This next one goes hard then.

crude geode
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I don’t really care tbh, but xp and mpg prolly losing their mind

inner anvil
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Well, then don't.

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¿¿¿

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Losing their mind.
Bro, I'm just doing my job.
It's like if you threw a massacre because of a burger.

crude geode
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I’m saying in a good way lol

inner anvil
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I hope so.

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But yeah, next update, balance-wise, features:
· Almost all of Post-ML summoner, tested on a weekend!
· Stealth (Stealth 3).
· Little bit of Mage.
· Ranger's fine.
· Lmao Melee.

crude geode
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Stealth 3 lesgoooooo

neat linden
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"Lmao melee"

inner anvil
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I'll leave that to Xyk...

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I'm already dealing with eough.

frosty trellis
crude geode
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Shit finally being balanced makes you real happy

inner anvil
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It's still not perfect.

frosty trellis
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T R U E

inner anvil
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But it's a humble job.

frosty trellis
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Give me more balanced shit

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I like it when everything isn't god awful or stupidly op

thorn dock
frosty trellis
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With some dps testing I've gotten terror blade as low as 32 seconds (admittedly with full dps and adren farming but still)

inner anvil
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Lmao Melee.

frosty trellis
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It's normal testing time is 1:50 so I'm not shocked

inner anvil
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Thank god Xyk deals with that.

neat linden
frosty trellis
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Have you seen Galileo Gladius?

inner anvil
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It's better when something's OP than awful.

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Sometimes.

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Only sometimes.

neat linden
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Taking 1 minute 40 seconds to kill a boss vs taking 9 minutes 31 seconds to kill the same boss

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Numbers are completely random

frosty trellis
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Has people here seen the epic funniness that is Galileo Gladius?

inner anvil
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No.

frosty trellis
neat linden
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last i used galileo was either early 1.5 or somewhere in 1.4.5--

inner anvil
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Lmao we should've deleted it.

neat linden
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HOLY-

frosty trellis
willow widget
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don't forget the old duke time

crude geode
neat linden
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Reminds me of Rouge Slash on provi

hollow shard
frosty trellis
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OD I just let myself die because I was bored

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inner anvil
neat linden
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at least it's 6 minutes

frosty trellis
neat linden
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and not

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12

inner anvil
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It's nothing personal.

frosty trellis
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Navis

grim tusk
frosty trellis
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Navis

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Navis

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Look at the remaining hp

neat linden
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wait

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i didn't even notice

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oh god fucking damn it

inner anvil
frosty trellis
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The nearly 13 minute DoG time was at 48.8% HP LEFT

hollow shell
neat linden
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i did not look at the hp

frosty trellis
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Yeah

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It

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I(s

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God

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Awful

inner anvil
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@pastel crow! My friend! You should look at this lame Melee talk.

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Galileo Gladious moment.

frosty trellis
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Xyk knows about the Galileo Gladius

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I pinged him about it yesterday

inner anvil
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Well he better know more.

neat linden
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art attack HDfailure

frosty trellis
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I pinged him with both the OD and DoG killtimes

grim tusk
frosty trellis
inner anvil
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Art Attack has his damage buffed next update.

neat linden
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that is getting buffed

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but current art attack is just

grim tusk
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If you thought Hell’s sun’s buff was big… that buff looks tiny in comparison

inner anvil
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I think we buffed it's damage by 12x.

frosty trellis
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Art Attack according to stip is viable on plant, golem, and cultists

inner anvil
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Art Attack I mean.

neat linden
grim tusk
frosty trellis
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Jesus

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Complete

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Fuck

bright crag
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👀

inner anvil
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I don't remember.

pastel crow
inner anvil
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Hey Stip, go in front of the class.

bright crag
inner anvil
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Tell them about Art Attack.

inner anvil
grim tusk
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Meanwhile stratus rogue is broken

frosty trellis
inner anvil
neat linden
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Oh dear

grim tusk