suggestions-discussion

[half sage]

[viscid badge]

Hi

[buoyant idol]

Also invalid formating

[quiet kernel]

Donator items do be donator items

You cant ask for a recipe change for the prince because donor item, like you technically could if you ask the donor permission

[neat linden]

or you can just not craft two and instead pick one

[viscid badge]

What if you really like flowers and want to keep using them

[cobalt pewter]

consent is sexy

get the donator's permission first if possible for recipes and alike

if there aren't any responses, sugg is invalid

[neat linden]

then pick thorn blossom

:hdflr:

[distant gyro]

it's literally the same boss?

you're supposed to pick one or the other

i know, choice, it's crazy

[neat linden]

yeah both are post provi

[cobalt pewter]

I haven't caught up with changes of either weapons

what's up

[neat linden]

the only difference (except of attack) is one uses geodes and the other uses ueli bars

[cobalt pewter]

that

literally makes 0 difference

[viscid badge]

What does compression mean

[distant gyro]

bad format

[cobalt pewter]

invalid formatting

[half sage]

Suggestion has to have a title then a line break then the suggestion

[neat linden]

proper formatting is

Header
Suggestion explanation

Do a line break (shift + enter) after header

[viscid badge]

I don’t really care I’ll delete it if you want

Buff arch amylis anyway

[neat linden]

if it's actually bad in your opinion

ping a tester

list in pins here

so they can confirm if it's actually bad or not

[viscid badge]

@pastel crow

[pastel crow]

It seems maybe a little weak but not unusable or anything

arch amaryllis that is

[grave zinc]

@manic chasm - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Uelibloom Brick's sprite a bit taller]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@manic chasm - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Uelibloom Brick's sprite a bit taller]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hot zephyr]

you can finally rest satisfied

[radiant meadow]

Uelibloom Bricks were supposed to have special textures, but they got removed during the 1.4 port

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583478640679845889/1023051594536857620/unknown.png

so we didn't really make the sprite taller, rather fixed what was broken

[hot zephyr]

let's make it 1.2 tiles tall

have the leaf just slightly taller

[ripe owl]

Make The Prince an upgrade to the Thorn Blossom instead of Arch Amaryllis
That's the whole point: it's two separate weapons that have their own gimmick
because they are one boss apart
No they're not, they're literally the same tier
it's annoying to craft two
Just... pick the one that you prefer the most?

[crude geode]

@barren chasm known, will be fixed

[barren chasm]

thank god

it gets on my nerves so much

[ripe owl]

How does it smh

[barren chasm]

imagine giving the gem staffs a melee damage type

[small timber]

The tldr is it is currently intentionally a mage weapon with melee damage, but burning sky will be rework into an actual melee eventually

[ripe owl]

I just thought of it

Because technically Burning Sky would be a worse PFB

Why would you want two mage weapons that work the same yet one is worse the other

[barren chasm]

i asked for at least a rework

[rancid gust]

I find it funny how no one complained about old Burning Sky but then GitGudWO video happened

[barren chasm]

THATS WHAT IM SAYYYYINGGGGGG

[ripe owl]

Back then TBS was a sword

[small timber]

^

[ripe owl]

:sgm:

[rancid gust]

A sword that flooded the entire screen with projectiles, rework just made it funnier
peak comedy

something about late game melee mage etc etc terraria classes argument

[barren chasm]

same thing with red sun

like how tf is that melee

[frosty trellis]

Phoenix Flame Barrage is completely shit. Burning Sky is miles better

[barren chasm]

it fucks up scal

ong

less with exo mechs

[frosty trellis]

Burning Sky still has a 4:1x Exos kill time when their testing time is 6:00

It's 3:34 on SCal whi h has 5:00

It fucks them up hard

[ripe owl]

Get good meleefan

[frosty trellis]

Phoenix Flame Barrage was 6:5x on Exos and 5:1x on SCal (With Yharims Crystal for the hearts)

[barren chasm]

when instead of having a well thought out argument, you just say "get good lololol"

[hollow shell]

lemme get the quote

[frosty trellis]

Also literally just use Crystal for hearts and seekers and Helium Flash for literally anything else

[hollow shell]

@barren chasm

[barren chasm]

didnt know that at the time

thank you

[small timber]

Multihit weapon tend to scale way better with higher damage, so phoenix flame barrage probably scale exponentially on a nohit set up

(meanwhile burning sky is a classic case of melee speed being stupid)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but like Helium Flash

Helium Flash is stupid

[barren chasm]

(insert popcorn emoji)

[frosty trellis]

It's not great for the hearts but it has a similar kill time on Exos to Burning Sky

[crude geode]

God I love killtimes

[frosty trellis]

And shreds SCal herself

[crude geode]

[ripe owl]

Okay so I tested out both weapons on 5 somewhat evenly spaced dummies with no boosts
Burning Sky gives 7500 dps on average
Phoenix gives 11000 dps on average

Maybe because they're static

[frosty trellis]

Dummies are not what shit is tested on

Their tested on the bosses they're supposed to be used against with balanced loadouts

[ripe owl]

Like I said

[small timber]

Ya just use it in bosses if you have the set up ready

[frosty trellis]

I can give my loadout and killtimes for both

[ripe owl]

"Maybe because they're static"

[frosty trellis]

DR and Defense and how some bosses have weird things

[crude geode]

When tf did you say that?

I’m blind

Fuck

[barren chasm]

@crude geode

[crude geode]

Trolled by my own sight

[ripe owl]

Yeah that happens

[crude geode]

Every day I am more convinced I need glasses

[ripe owl]

Yeah I tested on SCal and somehow it gave me almost the opposite
PFB did 2500 dps
TBS did 4000 dps

But as long as the boss stays still

The picture goes back and PFB is a winner again

What a scam

[frosty trellis]

Well um....

This is what I'm getting

I can post the setup if you want

[ripe owl]

I'll be fine, thanks

One way or another, we would've had two weapons that work the same way which doesn't make a lot of sense

[small timber]

Probably because phoenix flame barrage have lower base damage = get countered by defense more, but ya

Tldr is burning sky is gonna get reworked soon™️ anyway

[rancid gust]

Hey before i start writing, has anyone here ever used the Spadefish? (sorry change of topic)

[swift wharf]

I wish burning sky didn't get changed

[small timber]

First is tf is spadefish

[swift wharf]

it's the early game fish pickaxe

[rancid gust]

Exactly

[small timber]

But ya that probably speak for how unknown the weapon is

[rancid gust]

I already have it written actually

Rework or remove the Spadefish

The Spadefish is a really obscure item, obtained by fishing in the Underground layer in pre hardmode and although most players have probably never used this item, its main benefit was its increased mining speed compared to other pre boss pickaxes. However due to significant mining speed boosts on the latest updates such as the increased mining speed stat, early ore armors and Wulfrum Digging Turtles, this pickaxe now has even less of an use.
A way to make this item have more of a reason to exist is by changing its purpose to be maybe similar to the Gravedigger's Shovel (given its appearence) and have it mine larger tiles of "soft" blocks, or simply add it to the chopping list.

How's that?

[swift wharf]

I mean I wish it stayed the same as of now

[small timber]

Should be good, current spadefish is pure pickaxe right?

[rancid gust]

Suggestion about obscure item no one cares about doomed to die in voting

[crude geode]

Sounds good

[rancid gust]

That is correct

[frosty trellis]

Yeah go for it

I've literally never heard of it lmao

[small timber]

Ya shovel + pickaxe semms good, at leadt some niche

[cobalt pewter]

I've seen it in wiki once

[swift wharf]

remove rock and chainsaw fish too

[cobalt pewter]

but that's about it

[small timber]

(though you probably should post a picture or something)

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

I think 90% of people dont even know what spadefish is

[rancid gust]

Picture for boosting votes
tactical sugg poster method

[crude geode]

Trueeee

[cobalt pewter]

yeah Spadefish rework to be closer to Shovel would be good

or remove it no one cares anyway

[rancid gust]

It'll probably die in voting either way no one has ever used this item, so i don't quite care
i wish a dev would remember the item exists tho

Having it reach dev voting would be nice

[swift wharf]

me when there's other 2 vanilla tool fish that nobody cares about

[small timber]

Spadefish who

[cobalt pewter]

just in case anyone legitimately doesn't know what Spadefish is

[[Spadefish]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Spadefish

[swift wharf]

i know what it is

[crude geode]

Caring about literally every vanilla thing is an impossible task

[swift wharf]

.

[small timber]

As the most voted suggestion of all time is to flip a sprite I will say it has a chance

[rancid gust]

That one WAS deserved tho

[swift wharf]

I think it's a neat tool

anyways it would be funnier if phoenix flame barrage got reworked into being more melee than mage

[cobalt pewter]

Terraria broadswords have always been the bane of my existence

[half sage]

like the donor magic weapon that's just a broadsword

[swift wharf]

exactly

burning sky is fine smhsmh

[crude geode]

God

[cobalt pewter]

probably because I'm a bit spoiled with Dead Cells where melee weapons have neat combo (sure it has its own problems like backloaded damage / gimmick in the combo but not nearly as destructive to the game's design as terraria does)

byeah Ark I think has combo?

I honestly haven't touched those stuff yet

[swift wharf]

exoblade does

kinda

[small timber]

Dead cell weapons are also based on gimmick like debuff (oiled, burn etc) or things like pinned on wall

Terraria just dont have things like this

There is not even backstab damage since bosses always face you

[swift wharf]

terraria has uhhhh

nothing

I think

[cobalt pewter]

at the very least giving it a varied styles of attacks in a combo should be nice

I think meac mod is the closer I can see to this

[small timber]

Closest one is probably ark, but ya

[cobalt pewter]

yeah Ark definitely has its own quirk, but it has the combo attack as well

[swift wharf]

exoblade has more of an active combo imo

[cobalt pewter]

byeah to think we're still playing a 11yo game

[small timber]

I actually think the exact opposite, as long as weapons are distinctly different from each other it is good enough, they dont have to have extensive moveset

Terraria combat is in such a way that having to think about how to use the weapon itself often end up getting you hitted more and killed

[cobalt pewter]

with clear core problems

that's incredible

[small timber]

Which is why I prefer ark over biome blade, despite biome blade having much more moveset

[swift wharf]

11yr old game is living rent-free in our heads

[cobalt pewter]

fair, it's just my personal nitpick I guess

and tbf BB is like

up to 8 weapons in a weapon?

[swift wharf]

yea

[small timber]

(and another reason is unlike dead cell where every weapon is viable as long as you get high level version of it, weapons in Terraria are progression locked, you use specific set.of weapons at specific time, giving all of them extensive moveset just not worth the effort when you have limited range of enemy or bosses you can use them on)

I imagine maec probably do rework for a whole class rather than specific weapon, eg their true melee rework are only on some broadsword etc, but not having each broadsword have their own moveset, also because of the same reason

[crude geode]

maec?

[small timber]

A mod

[cobalt pewter]

I think they already changed a chunk of phm broadswords and some hm ones like TNE, cobalt and orichalcum

[small timber]

Oh right I keep confusing it to like overhaul, since they also do a lot of vanilla weapon rework

[grave zinc]

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Devourer of Gods not taunt if you don't take damage from his head]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Devourer of Gods not taunt if you don't take damage from his head]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[half sage]

guess infernum doesn't need to do this for DOG then

[hot zephyr]

once again ben on a suggestion killstreak

[cobalt pewter]

god

[drowsy plank]

#bensweep

[grave zinc]

@dull ether - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Stop Counter/Evasion Scarf dodge from registering as a hit]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

on god?

does this mean shield bashes are fixed too or?

[hot zephyr]

dodges and rams won't inflict debuffs nor defense damage

[crude geode]

Wonderful

[drowsy plank]

finally

[dull ether]

Pog

I forgot I even suggested this lol

[hot zephyr]

it was a bug, funny enough

[crude geode]

Should never have been allowed through suggs

[hot zephyr]

there was a time when it wasn't like this during 1.4 development, but something broke along the way iirc

[dull ether]

It’s been in the game for as long as I remember

[hot zephyr]

well yeah, your versions of the game have always had it

we never released the fixed dodge cut

[radiant meadow]

I had to change like 300 files to add a damage > 0 check

this better have been worth it

[ruby plover]

this is great

no more epic dragonfire cringe moments

[crude geode]

Ben truly out trying to improve implementation rate

[cobalt pewter]

holy shit

[radiant meadow]

80% of the next update has unironically been all me

[cobalt pewter]

god

locking ben up is definitely the trick to accelerating cal updates

[radiant meadow]

when the update releases, I can return to hibernating

[hot zephyr]

bensweep

[ruby plover]

go back to nohit 🙄 smh

[hot zephyr]

do not go back to nohit

[crude geode]

nohit more like nofun

[ruby plover]

[half sage]

no more needing to cope with stem cells for yharon

8 seconds of dragonfire from ramming

[ripe owl]

So true

[random pendant]

Has someone made the suggestion to actually be able to sit on the auric tesla toilet or am i just too stupid to figure out how to sit on it?

[small timber]

already being worked on, maybe implemented even

[random pendant]

I hope it will

Maybe add something really stupid with it

[hot zephyr]

comedy 100

[crude geode]

comedy is DEAD

[frail mantle]

no

auric toilet was very intentionally made unsittable

[hot zephyr]

unshittable

[crude geode]

Beautiful

[small timber]

oh so the bench/chair sittable change did not include auric toilet?

since I remember at sometime it was talked about how a bunch of chair will be sitable

[frail mantle]

yes

[small timber]

what if instead make auric toilet being wirable, then instead of doing the "vanilla funny haha thing" you just have it play toilet music instead

[half sage]

make it spawn enraged yharon

[small timber]

pretty sure this still count as balance suggestion

@kindred creek ^ (so probably have to ping testers instead)

^

[hot zephyr]

if you ping me at 3:55 AM I will eat your liver

[eternal escarp]

h

idk what crab drops are really underwhelming last time i used most of them they were pretty fine

[unique vector]

@hot zephyr

[small timber]

evil route: if preboss items are stronger than post-boss items it means it is those preboss items requiring nerf

#pre-hardmode power creep time

[eternal escarp]

so true!

[small timber]

do it

though tbh I do feel a lot of early pre-HM bosses (king slime, DS, crab, eoc etc) are way too weak even for pre-boss standard

either that or calamity buffed pre-boss items too much

[cobalt pewter]

@molten haven the 2nd paragraph should be deleted, it's against the specific suggestions part of the suggestion rules

[molten haven]

Ah ok

Sorry

[short walrus]

lunar portal is already getting a minor rework in 1.4.4

[cobalt pewter]

changing the ML summoner drops to not sentry could work, but you need a strong reason

@frosty kindle perish da bot

[small timber]

oh god back to this again

[frosty kindle]

652654071320150033 @umbral cliff

got em

[small timber]

and yeah, main thing is still as Scorn pointed out, they are getting improved in 1.4.4 anyway

no point for calamity to majorly rework them when they gonna be different very soon (28th September)

[short walrus]

i never said both

just lunar portal

and i said minor

[small timber]

although we didn't know anything about rainbow crystal I will imagine vanilla devs probably will not left it out completely, as they are both not being used right now

[small timber]

"major" part is pointing to cal rework (if it need to happen)

[short walrus]

immediately after you say it will be "very different soon" in vanilla

which it absolutely wont

[swift wharf]

moon lord drops

[small timber]

it will be "very different" from its current state of "completely unusable", but ya depend on how you see it

that is just how I look at it

but generally I just think the suggestion should wait until 1.4.4 drop, then see if anything improves, then make the suggestion if needed

no point in posting it right now knowing that one is guaranteed to be changed (while the other might have a chance to be changed)

oh right regardless

@molten haven probably should remove the "moon lord whip" part, it is basically talking about a completely different thing to the rest of the suggestion (aka moon lord drop summons)

calamity whips will eventually be added

[swift wharf]

a buff would be nice but then just ping a tester I think

...but how do you even test awntries

sentries

[inner anvil]

The Summoner tester here.

We don't test sentries.

Bye.

[short walrus]

good to know

[swift wharf]

[molten haven]

Ah fine, i really liked the idea but ig i’ll remove it

[inner anvil]

If it's heavely broken then yes.

[swift wharf]

give it +100 base damage

(it will still be shit

[inner anvil]

They're buffed in Labor of Love anyways.

[small timber]

if you want to you can add a separate suggestion for it (instead of combining them), but ya whips suggestion (namely adding new one) probably will be disallowed for now as they either easily become too specific, (or/and) also that eventually calamity will add whips

[swift wharf]

are there images of the rework or nah

[inner anvil]

They have buffed stats, that's it.

[small timber]

there is a rumor of +1 sentry slot buff, but I forgot if it is confirmed or not

[inner anvil]

Oh my bruh.

Well, that'll make the shit one's better and we'll nerf the endgame ones.

[swift wharf]

sobbing

[small timber]

+1 slot and double buff slot (cries in summoner balancing)

[swift wharf]

lunar portal staff is truly one of the weapons in the game

I like how it's vortex enemy themed tho

[inner anvil]

Bro, I just balanced all of Post-ML summoner, give me a break.

[short walrus]

it was much faster and could fire off multiple lasers at once iirc (nothing on crystal staff)

[swift wharf]

crystal staff

[small timber]

though speaking of buff slot, I do think bosses might need longer duration debuffs to counter regen (and debuffs properly stopping regen effect instead of just the base 1 hp regen or whatever the player have)

[inner anvil]

No.

Just no.

[small timber]

currently from my testing damage debuffs that say "cancel positive life regen" only stop the base life regen the player have (similar to bleeding), instead of actually doing what it says it do

[inner anvil]

Okay, let me give you a little bit context of what's happening.

Boss debuffs are longer than they should because of tMod bug.

And Life Regen is overnerfed in Calamity.

So, we don't need to make Boss debuffs have a longer duration.

So first we deal with that, and then we'll see.

[bright crag]

Maybe we should make a standard for testing them
Do you think this is worth discussing with the others?

[distant gyro]

it is but every tester is in denial about sentry testing

should it be balanced? yes
is anyone ready to balance it? no

[bright crag]

I see

[distant gyro]

has been like this for 3+ years

spikecrag is still broken if you use sentry equip, etc

[inner anvil]

In my opinion no.

[distant gyro]

and hive pod and dreadmine

[bright crag]

I'll try to see what I can do
I won't test them right now because I have a lot of other stuff to test, but I'll try to make something that works and have some experiments with that

[bright crag]

Why do you think so?

[distant gyro]

the three horsemen of broken sentries

[inner anvil]

Because it's Whip arguement except the word "Whip" gets replaced by the word "Sentry".

[bright crag]

Whips are still getting balanced so

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[inner anvil]

Not anytime soon.

And when I asked about sentries I was told: "Just see if they're not broken and that's it, don't bother".

[cobalt pewter]

there's the issue of most sentry equipment being locked to the S tier rank of stupidity when it comes to events

(OOA)

even the planned +1 sentry buff teased for 1.4.4 is from War Table, an OOA drop

[bright crag]

My intention is making sentries an ok buff to damage while in addition to summons

While also being viable in the rare sentry setups

Am I sure it can be done? Not at all

But I'll see what can be done

[inner anvil]

If we don't add sentry equipment, then no.

[inner anvil]

Also they are already that.

[distant gyro]

sometimes more than ok, other times less

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

[bright crag]

They are, however, all over the place in that category

[inner anvil]

Lol I guess.

[distant gyro]

which means it's not balanced

[bright crag]

Essentially, yeah

[inner anvil]

As long as they're not broken, I don't mind what happens to them for now.

[bright crag]

I'm just taking notes for now, as I do with most balancing projects

[inner anvil]

And I'm totally opposed to changing any minion's damage because of a sentry.

So if both of those points are followed, I don't mind sentries.

[bright crag]

Dw, that won't happen lol
Minions are the core of summoner

It would be stupid to nerf summons to comply with a side damage option with rare sets

[inner anvil]

So yeah, sentries should get like, 10s less than the killtime that the minion you're using gets.

Maybe I'll deal with them some day.

[bright crag]

In the meanwhile, I'll see what can be done

[half imp]

about the summon weapon; I don't think making ML drop a minion is the way to go, just ensuring that star cell and stardust dragon could be provi viable could work

potentially make stardust armor/wings buff those two minions so they're not too strong for ML but strong enough for provi

[frozen hornet]

No one remembers tactplague engine

[small timber]

there are luminite summons already, making sure star cell and dragon work (on provi) is unnecessary

[half imp]

it kinda sucks rn

[frozen hornet]

Exactly

[half imp]

although it's getting fixed

[frozen hornet]

Buff it then...

[half imp]

so it may be viable

[small timber]

the suggestion is specifically targetting the fact that moon lord himself don't drop non-sentry summons

[frozen hornet]

Last I heard axes are good enough

[half imp]

the core of their issue was having few viable provi options

[half imp]

yeah, they just wanted to be able to have variety

[frozen hornet]

That is just summoner being summoner

[half imp]

true!

[sleek ore]

I personally like that providence is a worthy punching bag for all of vanilla's classic "best" weapons like last prism and terrarian so stardust dragon would be cool

[small timber]

then it is the fault of these options not being viable (aka too weak), not the fact that there is no option

weapons should be viable for the bosses on tier

[scenic pine]

Terraprisma destroys providence

Also

[frozen hornet]

Terraprisma isn't post moon lord smh

[half imp]

terraprisma does only about 2/3rds of the DPS of eaxe

[scenic pine]

True

[half imp]

from my experience

[scenic pine]

But it can carry you through early post moon lord

[frozen hornet]

(it will also be nerfed in the future making this moot)

[half imp]

it was already nerfed, idk if it will be again

either way; while I don't think there's a real issue that absolutely needs fixing here, if they did want to introduce more variety into summon weapons for early post-ml stardust armor buffing the stardust summons would be a pretty decent way to go about that

without having to add a whole new item

Tactical Plague Engine will probably be viable next patch too

[frozen hornet]

Energy staff (sentry) exists too

I think that's all there is though

[cobalt pewter]

Terraprisma is a plague to balance

[half imp]

they were specifically asking for non-sentry

Bc ml drops two sentries

[frozen hornet]

It's not a lot but rogue doesn't have a lot either
(Ele disk, celreaper, some balls, kunais)

[half imp]

summoner pretty much just has flowers and Eaxe (since sentries are not really considered for calamity balancing rn)

terraprisma if you want the fight to take a good amount longer

and probably TPE next patch

[gray nebula]

based crab sugg

tbh people just don't fight crab for its drops

they fight crab because he's on boss checklist

and im really not sure if they fight crab because it's a fun fight at least from my limited testing

[inner anvil]

He's definetly a fun fight.

[umbral dew]

i like the fungal clump dude that floats around you but otherwise its just a checklist filled yeah

[frosty trellis]

No the only reason I fight crab is the rage upgrade

[inner anvil]

Holy shit true the Rage Upgrade.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Very important for when I decide to use rippers again

Kek

[umbral dew]

totally forgot about the upgrade

[gray nebula]

I remembered but it only counts in rev+

and since its not adrnelaline (the cooler daniel) it looses some points

[gray nebula]

also idk maybe i shoulda tried with a real arena but fighting him without an arena and analyzing it hes got like

two attacks max or one and a half depends on how you count

two and a half is the most im willing to give it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015733178394222654/1017852664987521065/2022-09-09_19-42-14.mp4

having no arena may be an inconvenience to you but if its a bigger inconvenience to the boss...

[small timber]

oh crabulon become less aggressive in confined space?

[frozen hornet]

Owie my ears my phone was full volume

[small timber]

(or otherwise I only remember crabulon become more aggressive/attack faster at lower hp, not sure if apply to rev or only death)

[gray nebula]

I don't think he gets more aggressive in confined spaces

I hope he doesn't that'd be scuffed

it's just that it's slams break entirely at times

[drowsy plank]

i think it's very funny that the vast majority of players fight enraged crabulon

[small timber]

since crabulon for a very long time dont have biome enrage yeah

I used to spawn it on (sky) surface mushroom biome and fight it at surface forest even

[frozen hornet]

I almost always just fight the mf right before waffle

[gray nebula]

tbh sky crabulon made crab a joke so idk how much the enrage matters

[half imp]

I never thought about sky crabulon woah

but yeah crab doesn't seem to have a ton of reason to fight him outside of rev rage upgrade or getting your community levelled up

generally I don't fight him till I have the community

[small timber]

the suggestion itself is fine yeah, I just think it kinda count as a balance suggestion

if the suggestion is "buff crabulon drops" like fungal clump then maybe, but the example listed are almost exclusively crabulon's weapon drops which falls under balance suggestion

[barren chasm]

i need help with a suggestion

just a couple tweaks

**Fix the abyss torch to work better with smart cursor **

Personally, I always use smart cursor to place torches, because they're spaced out evenly and takes away the hassle, but using the abyss torch just places them everywhere! and getting rid of torches are just very annoying to do. This might not go for many people, but I would love to this fixed in the near future.

what should i include or fix?

[robust lava]

If you’re suggesting a fix, that sounds more like a bug report

[distant gyro]

11 - Fixed Abyss Torches not working with Auto Select. - Done

does this do it

[barren chasm]

didnt see that, im bouta make myself look dumb asf

[frosty trellis]

LOL it's cool

[cobalt pewter]

crab is indeed ???

[serene tendon]

What exactly are rippers? I've seen it used (mainly mentioning that rippers were not used) but not sure what it means

[frosty trellis]

Rage and Adrenaline

[serene tendon]

Ok, thanks

[frosty trellis]

Np

[neat linden]

does tmod have support for custom rgb yet actually

cause if it doesn't, then the sugg is a no

[sand ermine]

most likely not

[random pasture]

Also fungicide for ranger

Fungicide is uh

Really strong

[radiant meadow]

apparently tmod not having support doesn't stop other suggestions. glares at people asking for custom health/mana UI

[crude geode]

the sugg rules don't stop them, why would logic

[grim tusk]

Clearly cuz Calamity = Tmodloader team
(No it isn’t, most we have is some devs being contributors)

[grave zinc]

@iron junco - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Disable Daawnlight Spirit Origin adding targets to passive creatures]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inner anvil]

tModLoader is Calamity's game engine.

[swift wharf]

the t in tModLoader stands for Calamity

[hollow shell]

have testers done the crab weapons yet or should I ping

[grave zinc]

@reef fern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow the Steampunker to sell solution of the opposite world evil when in a graveyard.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inner anvil]

No.

I could do them... eventually.

But if any other tester is up to do them now, then others can.

Actually, @pastel crow! My friend! Could you do me a very nice favor?

[pastel crow]

I know some of them are quite bad

[inner anvil]

Damn that sucks.

[pastel crow]

Fungicide should be good, mycroot needs build in armor pen imo, crab claws are probably fine but melee speed and a few overtuned melee weapons pre hardmode make it seem weak, clawmerang is probably fine I guess I haven't used it much, and Hyphae rod is underpowered because it was knee jerk reaction nerfed after being seen used against many Malice bosses in Malice testing before.

[hollow shell]

Are these based on testing results you did just now or based on what you've known from the past

[pastel crow]

I haven't tested anything today yet, I'm starting up the game now

[frosty trellis]

Fungicide is known to be one of the better ranger weapon for first evil bosses

[hollow shell]

aighty

[frosty trellis]

Other ones I have never seen used

[pastel crow]

Yes! I'm glad my buff was effective, that's what I hoped

[frosty trellis]

Glad you liked it!

The problem with the claws stems from the fact that blade of grass exists

And if you're doing true melee, why would you use something that is way more short ranged when you have Blade of Grass and BoG is already great for both evil bosses

[drowsy plank]

give claws bonus defense while active

[frosty trellis]

Like actually though that doesn't sound like a bad idea

Or knockback resistance/immunity

[swift wharf]

kid named mushy buff

[drowsy plank]

mushy buff is truly the buff ever

[reef fern]

woo

[hollow shell]

nice

[pastel crow]

@kindred creek
Alright after testing the weapons my proposed changes are:
Mushy buff: keep defense buff, increase life regen given to 3
Fungicide - No changes needed
Mycroot - Give 5 built in armor penetration, make stealth strike give you and all player on your team the mushy buff for 15 seconds on hit (also add a squish sound for the SS because it can be hard to tell if you hit it or not)
Clawmerang - Give autoswing, stealth strike probably needs a rework, but it can retain giving the player mushy
Mycelial Claws - Give mushy buff to player on hit for 6 seconds, buff damage to 21
Hyphae Rod - Buff damage to 22, has scary potential with adrenaline, same as all burst damage centric weapons

[hollow shell]

Nice

[frosty trellis]

Sick

I can't wait to see how this works out!

You're amazing as always Xyk!

[pastel crow]

Thank you!

[inner anvil]

Xyk's becoming a champion.

[frosty trellis]

Definitely!

[sleek turret]

@unborn tangle No.

[unreal viper]

Bruhther

[sleek turret]

Please read the Don'ts document in the pinned messages

[unreal viper]

^

[unborn tangle]

nah lil bro

[frail mantle]

your problem then

[frosty trellis]

^

[umbral dew]

themme

[inner anvil]

@half imp We are already aware of this problem and the donor agrees with it.

[half imp]

oh sick

[inner anvil]

@deft yew Already done next update if I remember correctly.

I don't know exactly, but we did something.

[deft yew]

@golden kayak

[inner anvil]

I don't even know if it's in the public version lmao.

Can any tester or dev tell me what we did? I forgot.

[golden kayak]

Yeah

Thank you

I fight at night and I use the potion

That highlights projectiles

Them being small just takes away a lot of focus just to fly through them unharmed

And not like you can stop focusing on other parts of the fight

[deft yew]

Btw, in balance terms

Why does Ares resist true melee and Murasama

Murasama hardly does anything to him

[inner anvil]

I do not make the resists.

I think there's just one dude giving resists to the Exo Mechs.

[frosty trellis]

Murasama is weaker than Ark on Ares and Ark is not only bad but Ark Throw already has resistance to Ares

So yeah

[deft yew]

Who does them?

[inner anvil]

Storm.

He just throws resists to the Exo Mechs.
Which I imagine is for a reason.

[frosty trellis]

Well storm needs to lower the Murasama resistance to Ares at least IMO since it's worse than Ark on Ares and Ark is bad right now and Ark throw already has Ares resistance

[inner anvil]

Then ping him.

[hollow shell]

@grim tusk

murasama ares

[hot zephyr]

murasama against ares?

that was mine

it's been like that since the draedon update

[grim tusk]

I did not do the melee resists except AoTC

@pastel crow Murasama, im not at home

[grim tusk]

Gotta have rogue not blow exos the fuck up without compromising em vs Scal

[inner anvil]

Damn damn damn.

Maybe I should do that with summoner?

Maybe not.

I'll see.

[grim tusk]

If they do perfectly well vs Scal but nuke exos yes

Esp Thanathos

If we removed all resists from it stuff would have to get nerfed to like post-Cultist tier

Also college work has been kind of overwhelming, cant balance shit atm

[worthy lintel]

[grim tusk]

At least physics and other sciences are done on the international system

With imperial I would go fucking insane

[pastel crow]

Alright I tested it, Murasama needs a 30% resist on Ares not 50%

[grim tusk]

[pastel crow]

actually its probably 20% lol this is quite bad

[hollow shell]

nice

[pastel crow]

Final verdict on Murasama + some other true melee stuff

[cobalt pewter]

those are big resistance nerfs huh

[pastel crow]

mostly on Ares yea

he is not easy to hit with non-murasama true melee anymore. when the resists were given he was much easier to hit

[cobalt pewter]

ahhh

@grim tusk oh got me thinking, what's up with the 5% Searing Pan resistance on Artemis and Apollo?

seems like a very minor resistance

[rotund tree]

you mean 10% ?

[grim tusk]

To keep it on check

[cobalt pewter]

oh it's 10%

might've forgor stuff a bit the

n

[rotund tree]

there aren't resistances smaller than 10%

and the largest is still the 90% from seraphim lasers on thanatos

[grim tusk]

92.5%

90% made it “perfectly “balanced”” so it was increased

[rotund tree]

right now it's 90% tho

it used to be 95%

2.0.1 made it 90%

[small timber]

Oh right since there seems to be a streak of weapon balancing coming through I thought this is worth bringing up

Cosmic shiv, stream gauge and obliterator seems to be exceptionally bad for yharon now and I think will require buff

(this is from my own test which although might not be accurate but I think can still be somewhat of a prove)

(I just realise I forgot to record the gear I used, but it was on a balanced setup + no alcohols)

@pastel crow

Nadir is also pretty bad but it was nerf recently, meanwhile stream gauge has range limitation on it which is why I think stream gauge is weaker despite having shorter kill time than nadir

[small timber]

(ok found it gear used seem to be this one, same across the board)

[frosty trellis]

Again Xyk, you're amazing

Keep it up!

[minor shell]

thank you for this my friend really

[grim tusk]

90% was 2.0.1.1, 92.5% 2.0.1.2

[vestal sphinx]

With the Herring Staff and some basic piercing weapons, Aquatic Scourge can be killed pre-hardmode in well under two minutes

Not sure if something should be done about that but good God those herrings go to town

[grim tusk]

Summoner try to not be broken challenge

@inner anvil summoner (whenever you can ofc)

[vestal sphinx]

I should note I was using ranger armor, so I wasn't even getting a boost to the herrings aside from a summoning potion and bewitching table

Due to their DPS I'd say half a minion slot is a bit crazy to be giving it

[frosty trellis]

I'm certain there are two things that is going to happen:
Memes: Armor Pen 🤢
Also Herring Staff on AS is known to be a tad broken

[vestal sphinx]

Fun fact too, this is actually my first time using it and I had absolutely no idea what it did

As soon as they started doing more damage than any of my other weapons I was like "wtf"

Doesn't feel satisfying to have beat AS pre-hardmode with what is essentially a cheese weapon lol

[minor shell]

oh also are aquatic scourge/destroyer ever going to get a resistance to hydraulic volt crasher

[drowsy plank]

herring staff funny

is there anything herring isn't good on on its tier

[minor shell]

as already has one but like...its not enough lo

[half imp]

Thanatos probably needs a little bit of mechworm resist

... then again, might not be as big an issue with fixed worm next patch

but with current worm it does better vs Thanatos than it probably should

the other mechs nothing stands out to me on from my experience, except for the weapons just being broken (which is being fixed)

(I'd imagine sepulcher resist might be needed on thanatos too but I do exos first a lot of the time so not tried it)

[willow widget]

thoughts on Chicken Cannon's right click?

i personally have never seen anyone actually use it

[frosty trellis]

It has a right click????

[devout shell]

Theres a chicken cannon?

[royal tapir]

Why does it exist
By the time the weapon's use time is over, the rocket has already hit your foe

[drowsy plank]

seems like a leftover from when it had a 12 useTime instead of 33

[willow widget]

ok, i was thinking of having it removed since its kind of useless

or make a suggestion about it

[crisp cobalt]

I think I'll suggest renaming "sea remains" into "sea remnants" lmao

It sounds cooler and more formal I think?

[willow widget]

i feel like i worded that badly lmao

i feel like having that ability be removed or made to not have an animation and being able to be exploded anytime during the rockets lifetime (even during the chicken cannon's animation) would make it much more viable as an ability.

but even then its a stretch

[royal tapir]

By the way, the right click was added in 1.5

[drowsy plank]

wtf

this weapon is so dumb

[willow widget]

yep, activates all rockets

aka 1

and even then, the gun animation lasts so long that its hard to actually use

eh

better options for ares

like dragon's breath or minigun

or that

tyranny's end is insanely good

yeah, like one of the only viable thanatos weapons lmao

eh, he has some annoying attacks, but overall its not that bad

[gray nebula]

the right click on chicken cannon is like

it feels like it tried to be a cool gimmick but failed because it didnt actually do the other half of the cool gimmick bit

like it feels like a new slr gun where its like "shoot x and y and then detonate with right click for big damage!!!"

or something

[drowsy plank]

yeah, i think the weirdest part is the right click just. doesnt do anything

i mean it blows them up but there's no bonus for doing that or anything

[willow widget]

like if the rocket didn't explode on enemy hit, there would be some use there

but like why would they remove the hit lmao

[cobalt pewter]

the name is perfectly fine as is

here's a revolutionary chicken cannon rework btw

make it shoot chicken!

[cobalt pewter]

@ashen warren homeboy you have no reasoning

refer to da pins

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell “it would be funny” sugg (also this dude do be kinda horny)

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Burn.

[grim tusk]

@molten haven Vanilla will rework lunar portal on Labor of love

Which is 3 days away

Crystal might get buffed

[molten haven]

yeh I'm aware

[ashen warren]

Elemental harem

[grim tusk]

:bonk:

[hollow shell]

We have been progressively moving away from associating the elementals with the "waifu" identity

Making them less and less horny-bait

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair so long as they're still females, they'll still be horny

that's just how horny people are

[grim tusk]

If it exists there’s…

[cobalt pewter]

real

[devout shell]

Man i wish the gigachad earth elemental was a thing

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more Rogue weapons just after Moon Lord and before Providence.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@errant cloud - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add in more monoliths themed with Calamity's bosses]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move the deathmode antlion behavior to the For the Worthy seed]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@solid skiff - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Usage for Celestial Onion in Master Mode]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@bright crag - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a new "marking" structure and make the Astral Meteor fall exclusively on it]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent dodged attacks from inflicting debuffs]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

shouldn't this one be flagged already

[small timber]

tbh with this being two times already probably can be flagged as frequently suggested?

(2 times being receiving enough votes but denied 2 times)

[grave zinc]

@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Prevent dodged attacks from inflicting debuffs]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[lethal prism]

Let's go

[hot zephyr]

celestial onion now gives the stink debuff and well fed in master

[short walrus]

epic

[hot zephyr]

(i wish)

[small timber]

I still like this idea yeah

[frail mantle]

So true

[hollow shell]

for a rough illustration, their ore sheets but levelled to 0% blue, 100% red & green:

I personally think they're pretty distinct
Aerialite's got the consistent diagonals, Cryonic's got the higher contrast bright streaks

[willow widget]

• cryonic ore has slight glow so spelunkers aren't really needed

and aerielite can just be found in normal underground

[cobalt pewter]

Aerialite is pretty distinct yes

[manic fractal]

The malachites stealth strike literally does less damage than the cobalt kunai. Ik it used to be broken but it shouldn’t be less viable than a pre mech weapon.

[willow widget]

i mean, cobalt kunai is getting nerfed next update so..

[manic fractal]

Yea but the malachite still does a low amount of damage for its stage in the game.

[willow widget]

whats its damage?

with stealth

[manic fractal]

Not exactly sure but it does less than several other weapons at a similar stage

[cobalt pewter]

do a proper test or ping a tester

[willow widget]

i'll try it myself

[manic fractal]

Alr

@hot zephyr

[cobalt pewter]

unfortunately the only person willing to test stealth rogue is not ian

byeah that should do it I think

[manic fractal]

Oh my bad

[cobalt pewter]

nah just keep the ping

[hot zephyr]

smh

i have done nothing but test stealth rogue this update

💀

[cobalt pewter]

:clueless:

no nitro

[manic fractal]

Damn

[cobalt pewter]

zamn!

[frail mantle]

Point and laugh

[hot zephyr]

stealth has changed enough to where any data made by the public is pretty useless

[cobalt pewter]

ahh, so might be worth to check malachite next update then?

or is it already tested

[hot zephyr]

most of stealth rogue still needs to be tested yeah

[manic fractal]

Wait so is stealth getting changed or

[hot zephyr]

Yes

stealth rework

[cobalt pewter]

2.0

[manic fractal]

Okok sounds good

[hot zephyr]

stealth takes 2-4 seconds to charge at base

most stealth accessories are weaker because the playstyle is no longer completely reliant on them to be somewhat passable

[cobalt pewter]

on jod, thank

[manic fractal]

Wait so what is the change

[cobalt pewter]

a lot

I think a chunk of them (in terms of accs) is already on #changelogs

[hot zephyr]

stealth strikes end up being thrown out a lot more frequently, and are more like a "HEAVY ATTACK" button than a tactical nuke you throw out every twenty seconds

[manic fractal]

Alr

[hot zephyr]

it's why the raider's talisman gets changed to help out those wanting to mix stealth and spam :p

[cobalt pewter]

stealth charge time config when

I wanna nuke after waiting for 30s

[hot zephyr]

no

[manic fractal]

🥶

[cobalt pewter]

zamn.......

[quiet kernel]

:nuclearopinion:

Toggles

I hate it when I dont have nitro

[manic fractal]

Do u know when the next update is coming

[hot zephyr]

no longer will a remotely balanced stealth weapon with adrenaline tear open the fabric of the universe. at least, hopefully

no

[manic fractal]

Damn

[cobalt pewter]

there's no date

you'll have to cope until it drops

[manic fractal]

So for now should I not worry about rogue balance

[cobalt pewter]

since the changes are drastic, yea

[half sage]

me in my 1.5 rogue pt when blazing star adrenaline stealth strike annihilated destroyer and I couldn't do shit for the next 10-20 seconds cus RDR

[manic fractal]

Rdr?

[half sage]

reactive damage reduction

anti-melt feature that has since been removed

[manic fractal]

Thanks

[willow widget]

seems like its kinda on the low end, but not really bad

syringe seems to be better

subduction slicer also seems good

[manic fractal]

Alr

Thanks

[solid skiff]

ah fair enough

[swift wharf]

skeleton_smoking_cigar_meme_remastered3.mp4

[solid skiff]

e?

[small timber]

sounds like abit of a bandaid solution, and I think setting up teleporter basically do the same

[drowsy plank]

why not do it for both

i mean personally i dont really care, but you could give teles and return pots like 3 seconds of state

actually just giving all general teleport items it doesnt seem like a bad idea considering how often they cause problems

[small timber]

at that point just make it death mode specific that you cant use teleporter (and potion of return don't work) in the abyss

since death already have abyss specific modifier, though it is basically only light level now

[drowsy plank]

not a bad idea tbh

[frosty trellis]

Oh btw I see this and everyone says there are 4 but does anyone remember that Hells Sun exists?

[main hatch]

isnt that post providence

[frosty trellis]

It's weird to use but it's actually fine for Prov

3:4x killtime when her testing time is 4:00

[half sage]

it's mentioned in that suggestion as it saying 5, just not in the screenshot cuz it's not in class setups page. but yea after that suggestion storm took a look at it and decided to buff it

[frosty trellis]

Ah Ic

[frosty trellis]

Maybe Fearmonger Armor can give resistance or immunity to dragonfire and then it will be a good multi class defensive set

[small timber]

tbh it will be really useful (and the tooltip do say "all form of frost and flame debuff") but ya it will be quite a meta way to buff the item

[frosty trellis]

I will take dragonfire immunity/resistance on anything that's not dynamo stem cells any day

[swift wharf]

just play ranged

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that is sacrificing way too much damage or a useful defensive accessory

I'm good

[small timber]

dynamo stem cell is unironically so good on yharon that I will rather use it over say rampart (or) core of blood god, but ya it is so awkward

[frosty trellis]

It is yeah

[half imp]

Fearmonger should definitely have dragonfire resist or at least have the tooltip changed

but giving it dragonfire resist would be a nice buff to help it hold up against God slayer/silva

[cobalt pewter]

we know there are stuff that buffs elemental debuffs dealt by the player

but do we even have stuff that give elemental debuff resistance to players?

I feel like Fearmonger might be a good introduction to that concept

[small timber]

fearmonger straight up give immunity yeah

and I dont think there is much point to player elemental resistance

[cobalt pewter]

hmmm

[small timber]

for the simple reason that player (can choose to) get immunity instead

or otherwise the only useful elemental resistance will be fire, because almost all enemy debuff that actually deal damage are fire, with other rare case only for like plagued from PBG or moon lord's nightwither

[unreal viper]

Does fearmonger make you immune to scale’s debuffs?

[distant gyro]

no

[unreal viper]

Sadge

Those debuffs are horrifying.

[small timber]

scal is more of a 'curse' so it make sense that it is not a flame debuff

[unreal viper]

True.

The Yharon thing just doesn’t make sense.

I agree with the sugg.

[swift wharf]

Does not make you immune to searing lava either

[half imp]

yeah she gives you vulnerability hex instead of brim flames

[half imp]

oh it should tbh

[unreal viper]

Fearmonger is kinda weird to balance, but I think it was overnerfex

[swift wharf]

I mean

It should but only because consistency otherwise not needed

Btw I only know about the big fearmonger/summoner nerf from a while ago

Did it get more nerfs after that?

[unreal viper]

The first nerf was just the damage penalty iirc.

The second was minion slots iirc.

[swift wharf]

yea

I know about those 2

[small timber]

6 minion to 2, and I remember summoner damage got gutted too

probably still in changelog let me see

yeah

[swift wharf]

yeah that was in 1.5

and health regen got nerfed too

[unreal viper]

From 14 to 7

But does it have 7 life regen, or 7 hp per second?

[swift wharf]

No idea

[distant gyro]

regen

[swift wharf]

it appears that it's just those nerfs

huh

[unreal viper]

3.5hp/sec, yikes

[half imp]

isn't that 7hp per sec

assuming you're in normal or have well fed

[unreal viper]

Pretty sure it ain’t

[distant gyro]

it's a bit more

[unreal viper]

Than 7 or 3.5?

[distant gyro]

also increases regen time by 4

[unreal viper]

Ah

A constant 4?

[distant gyro]

yes

basically 4x as powerful as crimson armor regen time boost

[unreal viper]

Ohh

[distant gyro]

there's this thing as well

[unreal viper]

That quintuples natural life regen.

[distant gyro]

sets regen time to a minimum of 1800

normally if you get hit, your regen time is set to 0

with fearmonger it stays at 1800

[small timber]

so tldr is fearmonger actually provides very good life regen but is ruined by dragonfire?

[distant gyro]

maybe

[unreal viper]

I hate regen

[distant gyro]

dragonfire is also looking towards a nerf because it does 180 damage if you run into an infernado

[deft yew]

dragonfire

[distant gyro]

which is basically a quarter of your health

[small timber]

I think mainly just debuff duration tbh

I dont mind dragonfire itself doing a lot of damage (similar for god slayer inferno), it is just things like 9 sec for touching contact hurt too much

(going for the reduce damage approach will probably just result in old dragonfire)

[half imp]

it shredding your HP fast is cool but yeah it does so much unavoidable damage unless you just wear stem cells

[deft yew]

torch god 5 second cursed inferno

[half imp]

duration nerf will be cool

[small timber]

duration nerf have the added benefit for punishing more for getting hit often instead of getting hit not frequently

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow Crescent Moon is well.... I think you can see this for yourself

[pastel crow]

oof

how was it on OD?

[frosty trellis]

Haven't tried it on OD

[pastel crow]

(if you tried it)

[frosty trellis]

I would need to make an Arena in the seas and then I can try OD

Thankfullly cheat sheet exists

Give me a bit

And I can see

[half imp]

That's so sad

[golden kayak]

Damn

And then there is Gilded Prob with 1:30 kill

Don't nerf plz

[half imp]

what if they nerf but add more true melee spears

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow Here ya go
Also Old Duke is a complete joke

[golden kayak]

To be honest gilded is a rather strong weapon
But true melee is tricky to nerf because unlike most other weapons, it really promotes aggression
Just compare Xyks old nohits to your own killtimes on Rev

I would not be surprised if gilded does get a bonk tho

[half imp]

yeah

[golden kayak]

Would be pretty fair considering it's strength

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow OH YOU THOUGHT CRESCENT MOON WAS BAD
CHECK OUT GALILEO GLADIUS

[pastel crow]

wowzers

is it doubling damage time? (maybe)

[frosty trellis]

Wdym?

[pastel crow]

the weapons might need a big damage buff if theyre this bad

aka "doubling their base damage"

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Well

[deft yew]

IM NOT GONNA SUGARCOAT IT

Hell's Sun

[frosty trellis]

That's a 13 minute fight and it's only at 48%

[pastel crow]

why do we have post ML spiky balls again?

[frosty trellis]

Want to see the loadout I'm using Xyk?

[pastel crow]

yes

[deft yew]

why do we have post ML spiky balls

[frosty trellis]

What I used for crescent moon as well

Using this for all post polter/od weapons and giving them a go

[pastel crow]

that's a pretty good setup

[frosty trellis]

I like it a lot

Was just funny with this loadout I got a 2:14 terror blade time on DoG

[swift wharf]

good image

sadly the buff isn't gonna be that big anymore

[drowsy plank]

the funny

[pastel crow]

this image but for true night's shortsword before it got deleted

[deft yew]

ok but what about art attack

[drowsy plank]

it's base damage was 85 jesus christ

[frosty trellis]

Well regardless Xyk, still got Soul Edge, the apparently it's fine ig Neptunes Bounty and Insidious Impalier left

[pastel crow]

m

[arctic tapir]

It's funny

[drowsy plank]

it was 75 before this

god

truly the weapon ever

[frosty trellis]

Beats me. Not better than Ele Disk stealth regardless

[swift wharf]

weak.

[frosty trellis]

Sidenote, when are the lag issues with DoG going to be fixed?

[inner anvil]

Are there lag issues to begin with?

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

when the october version releases

[inner anvil]

Not in test builds that's for sure.

[swift wharf]

or just play preview

[frosty trellis]

I am on the minimum settings possible and getting lag during the laser walls

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falling-breaking-bad-dm4uz3-gif-18078549

[swift wharf]

preview is based and kills 80% of the germs

[frosty trellis]

And this wasn't happening last update

[inner anvil]

Well, it ain't happening on test builds, so feel safe I guess.

[frosty trellis]

I'm trying to use Neptunes Bounty on DoG but I'm getting lag

And DoG is the only boss I'm getting lag on besides exo mechs trio phase which is to be expected

[swift wharf]

summoning deus on the default branch sets my fps to single digits

[inner anvil]

Do y'all play on laptops or potato PCs?

[swift wharf]

perhaps

[inner anvil]

There you go, we can blame the graphics engine then.

[frosty trellis]

Laptop
And as I said earlier, THIS WASN'T HAPPENING LITERALLY THE PREVIOUS UPDATE

[swift wharf]

then try the preview brancj

[inner anvil]

We didn't do anything.

[frosty trellis]

I thought calamity doesn't work on the preview branch of tMod

[swift wharf]

it does

[frosty trellis]

Huh

Okay

Lemme try that then

[inner anvil]

Anyways, if you ever get lag spikes and you have potato PCs, you can blame the graphics engine, as it is an old outdated one that barely supports shaders.

[swift wharf]

I only tested deus idk if it has bugs

[frosty trellis]

Yeah well I can safely say when I've never had these issues prior it's not my laptop kek

Was completely fine in 1.3 and 2.0.0.3

[fossil finch]

idk i've always gotten kinda laggier than usual during dog and his laser walls

performance issues are hard to pinpoint and fix i think
Since they're very hardware dependant and stuff

(it is thus, the culmination of "work on my machine"

[radiant meadow]

this is outdated

but on the other hand Art Attack

[drowsy plank]

i figured

how is art attack looking rn

[fossil finch]

bad

like public build art attack sucks

[swift wharf]

prehm dps

[drowsy plank]

i mostly meant what ben was referring to here
but yeah i know rn art attack is dogshit

[inner anvil]

We are aware, buffed next update.

[frosty trellis]

Whoever said insidious Impaler is bad I need to impale

It's like

One of the better options for DoG as melee

[umbral dew]

isnt art attack supposed to do more damage the bigger the shape is?

[drowsy plank]

longer you draw, size of the area doesnt change anything

[inner anvil]

It's like a 7 damage difference.

🤯

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

also i think impaler was just thrown in with the rest of the old duke drops back when people were talking about how bad his drops were

glad to know that was wrong

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

And the funny thing is

That time is inaccurate because apparently it hit day mid fight

So I need to redo it

Kek

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[frosty trellis]

And that time I got a worse time hold on kek

There

[drowsy plank]

nice

[frosty trellis]

I'm sorry this is "fine I guess"?
This is the 2nd best weapon for Melee on DoG

It's overtuned

By a full freakin' minute

[drowsy plank]

oh my god this weapon's description on the wiki reads like a joke lmfao

it seems obvious it'd be good on DoG

it infinitely pierces, splits into more projectiles, those projectiles home AND explode

lmfao

and it has crush depth bc why not

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

It's very good for DoG

2nd best option from my testing although going to be redoing some shit to double check

[swift wharf]

kid named tenebrous tides on astrum deus:

[inner anvil]

Xyk moment, thank god I don't test Melee.

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[frosty trellis]

Oh you want me to go ahead and test every single fking summoner weapon and make you a busy man?

[inner anvil]

You say that.

[swift wharf]

he already did

[inner anvil]

And I did.

[frosty trellis]

Well

Fair

Lmao

[inner anvil]

Enjoy next update. :)

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

Hell yeah!

[swift wharf]

anyways did anyone even touch tenebrous tides

[inner anvil]

Yes, I balanced all of Post-ML summoner in a weekend.

[frosty trellis]

Next update I can play summoner without the crazy buggy summon weapons!

[swift wharf]

it's like
not balanced at all for deus

[inner anvil]

I know it seems like I'm delusional, but yes, I actually did.

[crude geode]

Still delusional for doing that

[frosty trellis]

Well time to do every pre ml summon weapon

[swift wharf]

you could give deus a 95% resistance and it would still be good

[inner anvil]

Maybe another weekend.

[frosty trellis]

LOL

I was talking me do that but fair enough

kek

[inner anvil]

I mean, I'm not kidding, I could do it.

Mounted Scanner is already dying.

[frosty trellis]

But to you want to?

Ah

Fair

[inner anvil]

Sure why not.

[frosty trellis]

Scanner has needed a nerf for a bit

LOL

Lets go memes!!!!

[inner anvil]

If it's not me it's nobody.

[frosty trellis]

Make me a tester and I can help /j

[inner anvil]

I'm fine.