suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

it isnt a recolor it's literally the same boss

[sand ermine]

its the same boss, just harder

[fossil robin]

I know it's technically the same boss, it would've been the same with the nighttime profaned guardians.

[gray nebula]

didnt read the sugg only read the title

dubstep playing in my mind

i agree so much TRUE so TRUE

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[hollow shell]

The reason you should be arguing against Night Providence isn't because her color changes to suit the environment
It should be because it conflicts with the growing Calamity dev sentiment against needless challenge

[sand ermine]

also doesnt both the aegis and wings drop from nighttime prov?

regardless of which biome summoned

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[sand ermine]

maybe that could also be mentioned or something

because sometimes people are too lazy to make a hell arena or something idk

[hollow shell]

That whole bit about the Calamity Art server should just not be in the suggestion

[gray nebula]

devs are allowed to recolor

[hollow shell]

Art server rules have no bearing on what the devs can do in their own mod and also what you say in the suggestion is not even true

[gray nebula]

i admit itsk inda scuffed how its only one sided and all

weird gray zone

[hollow shell]

Same kinda deal here

Where specific item suggestions are completely not allowed
But of course the devs can choose to add specific items if they want to

[gray nebula]

well ofc

[fossil robin]

But that's not really that fair in a way, you know?

[drowsy plank]

why does it have to be fair

[hollow shell]

I need to make it abundantly clear that

The main reason why your sprites were rejected wasn't because they were recolors

The reason is: "I tried submitting nighttime profaned guardians"

And: The Night Providence fight does not have Profaned Guardians in it.

[lethal prism]

What if you're fighting night guardians, tho?

I mean their own non-provi fight

[hollow shell]

Then that should be a suggestion here to add a Night Guardians fight
And not done via the art server's asset-submissions

[gray nebula]

how

[hollow shell]

(ok admittedly it'd be a grey area)

[gray nebula]

also yea

its a gray area still

[hollow shell]

(cuz, new fight, but it's a modification of a previous fight, done with precedent)

[gray nebula]

tho i mean idk i mean the map icon should be accepted

[lethal prism]

Oh, I thought guardians enraged at night

[hollow shell]

I don't think they do

Maybe they do?

[gray nebula]

cuz ze best nighttime prov map icon would be a recolor anyways

zero reason to make a fully new sprite

its just that devs can recolor but not the public

which is funny

but then just saying to remove the boss becaose of htat is slightly wonky reasoning

[hollow shell]

Okay no apparently the Guardians just despawn when its night
They enrage outside of Hallow/Hell

[fossil robin]

You dev guys have the power to recolor if you want, but not the community is what I meant.

[gray nebula]

yes

:smii

😈

[fossil robin]

And again, I'm not trying to force anyone to be a better person about sprites or anything.

[gray nebula]

the community doesnt have the power to implement new items and bosses either

[fossil finch]

The devs have the power to deny or accept what they want and add or remove what they want even if the community doesn't
It's not hypocritical to deny community submitted recolors, it's the devs having the right to decide what happens with their mod above the community
also what about the whole getting permission to edit sprites to begin with

[fossil robin]

Yeah, but what if someone else randomly makes an amazing animation of Yharon's new sprite? You know how tedious it is, and you know how long the wait is, right? Wouldn't you take a shortcut? And I do understand it certainly is not ABSOLUTELY needed before you ask.

[drowsy plank]

what does this even mean

[gray nebula]

yea and itd get accepted if its good

😈

like if my buddy chum pal lunatix animated yharon in secret without telling me id be surprised but yea hsure

[fossil robin]

That I am glad about.

[fossil finch]

the calart submission paradox is that people that can do that are not submitting for calamity

[thorn dock]

When talking about sprites... Omega blue armor?. _.

[hollow shell]

((again this is all completely irrelevant to the point))

[hollow shell]

.

[fossil robin]

I know they were recolors, and I knew they were beforehand.

[hollow shell]

Matt

[fossil finch]

What about it

[hollow shell]

Read my sentence closer

[thorn dock]

Tentacles are special 😶‍🌫️

[fossil finch]

Tentacles weren't resprited yes

afaik

[hollow shell]

I suppose we could redo the Omega Blue tentacles with fancy new drawcode techniques
to have them connect up better

Someone can suggest that if they want

[drowsy plank]

oh would that be a suggestion thing?

[fossil finch]

It could yes

[drowsy plank]

because yeah i think that would be a good idea

[fossil finch]

It's not asking for a resprite

[thorn dock]

Lovely

[drowsy plank]

make em something more like the polterghast tentacles from infernum or something

[fossil robin]

I also did understand the fact that the fight itself didn't have any profaned guardian resprites but I did it anyways just in case a future fight would have them. But now I completely and absolutely understand you don't want them, and I won't ever do it again.

[gray nebula]

zey use drawcodes mouahahaha

just not fancy

[fossil finch]

You don't submit stuff "for if the devs want them"

[ruby plover]

night providence is good

i dont wanna see it go

[hollow shell]

"just in case a future fight would have them"
There's the problem.

[fossil finch]

If the devs want them they'll do it themselves

Lol lmao

[gray nebula]

eh i mean ngl omega blue tentacles are pretty complicated i have no idea who coded them

[hollow shell]

You should not submit new content to asset-submissions

[gray nebula]

way more complicated for what id expect for smth this old

[hollow shell]

It should always be resprites or sprites that were requested in Art's "sprites-needed"

[drowsy plank]

huh

[hollow shell]

or uhh "assets-needed" I think it is now

[gray nebula]

😈

[drowsy plank]

neat to know ig

[fossil finch]

Iban hates night provi true loss (i do not give a shit about night provi

[hollow shell]

I wanna say it was Terry actually

[gray nebula]

huh

[fossil robin]

Yet my really lazy sprite animation of the super dummy got accepted even though it wasn't new content beforehand

[fossil finch]

When terry still worked for the calamity

[drowsy plank]

yes oh my god literally read rover's message

he just said not to submit new content

the super dummy anim isnt new content

so it got accepted

[fossil robin]

I swear I have. Yet the animation technically is new content in a way.

[drowsy plank]

NO IT ISNT

[fossil finch]

I'm sorry but it seems like you're trying very hard to twist stuff to somewhat victimize yourself

[drowsy plank]

you just animated an existing item???

[fossil robin]

Look, it didn't have an animation beforehand.

[gray nebula]

calm down cogniti (your new nickname)

[drowsy plank]

noooooo

[gray nebula]

its a gray zone

but

its not new new

[fossil finch]

I'll start using cogniti thanks

[gray nebula]

its just an animation for an already existing thing

[drowsy plank]

no you cant do this to me

[gray nebula]

versus, an entirely new fight thing

[hollow shell]

I can see your point in that both the Night Guardians and the Super Dummy animation are
edits of existing content to add a new feature
rather than pure resprites

[gray nebula]

kindof a big diff

[hollow shell]

Key difference is that Super Dummy animation is relatively easy and low in scope to implement, and is kind of a missing feature considering the main Target Dummy already had an animation
and is purely aesthetic

[gray nebula]

like youd have to code the new stuff for the guardians and also itd need testing and itd impact gameplay etc

[hollow shell]

whereas Night Guardians is implying a modification to a fight, or adding a new fight
No longer is it just a visual thing

[drowsy plank]

it's like if someone made an animated sprite for like... archaic powder or something where it had blue flames coming off of it
it still functions the same, it just has a new sprite to represent it

[hollow shell]

And like you said you submitted the Night Guardians "just in case" the devs wanted to use it in the future

[fossil robin]

Ahh, NOW I completely get the point of the difference between the dummy and the deities. It was not easy to notice at first tbh.

[hollow shell]

While the Super Dummy animation can be applied immediately to in-game mod content

[fossil robin]

Exactly.

[hollow shell]

Sorry for the confusion

[swift wharf]

I like how

nobody is talking about day eol

[drowsy plank]

removing night provi feels weird anyway considering EoL has an enraged mode... but i guess if both base fights were just made harder you wouldnt really need them

wow

lmfao

[fossil robin]

It's alright, I forgive you.

[hollow shell]

Well we can't exactly remove that

[swift wharf]

truly a suggestion moment

I know

[hollow shell]

Well okay we could, technically, but we shouldn't

[swift wharf]

Yeah

EoL is fine but provi isn't

[hollow shell]

[fossil finch]

Nothing about day eol says night provi should exist anyway

[swift wharf]

we truly live in a calamity

[fossil finch]

Main point is that this sugg want night provi removed for uh

[swift wharf]

isn't day eol a provi copy doe

[fossil robin]

Indeed we do.

[fossil finch]

Day eol is a provi copy

[drowsy plank]

how is day eol a provi copy

[fossil finch]

Think about it

[swift wharf]

provi came first :trollge

[gray nebula]

cuz night provi is a RIP OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fossil finch]

Eol was made after providence

[gray nebula]

!!!!!!!!!!!

[fossil finch]

ITsthat easy

[swift wharf]

on god

anyways actual seriousness

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[gray nebula]

summoning prov at night should just make her go and sleep

[swift wharf]

this suggestion is worded in a way

[hollow shell]

Obligatory Hollow Knight Radiance mention

[crude geode]

So true

[fossil finch]

Reminder hk came out like a week or two after ml expansion

So radiance is also a copy of providence

[drowsy plank]

actually yeah lore wise night provi is kinda hilarious

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

that just sounds like the guy is malding because their sprite was rejected

[crude geode]

Can we not restart this

[swift wharf]

nevermind it is gone

sure

[hollow shell]

Daytime EoL makes sense from a logical perspective
Goddess of light, have to fight at night cuz that's when she's inhibited
Fight her in the sunlight and she is at full power

Providence is also a goddess of light but gets stronger in the absence of light because

video games

[drowsy plank]

video games!!!

[lavish condor]

if you don't fight her at day she angy

[drowsy plank]

if she at least had lore about it id get it but like... there's no reason

[hollow shell]

I think Mrrp has outright rejected the prospect of explaining Night Prov lore-wise

[gray nebula]

what if providence removed the sun from teh sky

when you fight her

thatd be funny

[drowsy plank]

uhhhhh clearly night provi is cause... astreum deus inhabits her body during the night or something idfk

[swift wharf]

she becomes the sun

[drowsy plank]

it would be

[gray nebula]

also exactly , absed

[lavish condor]

radiance moment

[fossil finch]

To be completely fair if anything eol and provi should be swapped in that sense
Providence is the goddess of the sun, eol is the empress of light
If you dropped a nuclear bomb close to eol the light from that could probably boost her to day eol too, of you get what i mean

[gray nebula]

prov is the sun and fire and all

if you detonated a nuclear bomb i feel shed also power up

[hollow shell]

EoL is all like
prismatic
She draws power from light and refracts it into rainbow energy

[gray nebula]

since the sun is kindof a big super nuclear thing

[hollow shell]

Providence is literally just a fire, she is a light source

[lavish condor]

doesn't eol still enrage during solar eclipses even though there's no sun

[gray nebula]

uh oh!!m scuffed lore!!!

vanilla devs with the lacking attention to detail

we should replace the buffed darksun event with buffed darksun eol thatd be painful

[hollow shell]

There should have been a Darksun EoL 😤

[gray nebula]

[fossil finch]

Post providence darksun eol

So real

[hollow shell]

Fight Prov and EoL at the same time to combine them into

Profaned Empress of the Holy Light Goddess of Light

[drowsy plank]

wow! i hate this!

[hollow shell]

anyway

[drowsy plank]

throw mothron in there too for the real Radiance Experience™️

[crude geode]

I remember bringing up the fact that evolution has an extremely long cooldown for having a minor benefit over the other dodges (unless the other dodges got nerfed to similar duration)

[gray nebula]

they fuse into Louis XIV 😈

[crude geode]

Cuz like.

2 minute cooldown means you proc it like 1 or 2 times in a fight

[hollow shell]

indeed

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

More likely 2 or 3 now that I think about endgame fights

[drowsy plank]

i actually remember watching someone in a video talk about exactly that issue

[crude geode]

But still

[gray nebula]

the most DISSAPOINTING (?) i forgot accessory in calamity

yeah i agree

[crude geode]

I can’t recall the other dodges currently and what their cooldown is but like

[gray nebula]

i mean in general shit having a 2 minutes cooldown just, no bueno for gamefeel imo

[drowsy plank]

https://youtu.be/ONkQJXBqh8s?t=712

[swift wharf]

I think all dodges have like 1.5/2 minute cds

[drowsy plank]

yeah

well the scarfs are technically 30 seconds but

[swift wharf]

which is kinda bruh but vanilla dodges are

slightly broken

[hollow shell]

(hang on the dodge cooldown is missing from the Evolution's page lemme fix that)

[drowsy plank]

ok wait yeah literally every other dodge is 90 seconds

[swift wharf]

what about uhhhh

titanium hallowed armor

[crude geode]

It’s because half the stuff in this mod is balanced around boss fights which makes dodges really dumb

[swift wharf]

true melee

[crude geode]

(Something something events don’t exist post ml)

[swift wharf]

be like

[drowsy plank]

i love this tool tip on daedalus set bonus;
"This reflect has a 90 second cooldown which is shared with all other dodges and reflects"

except the evolution

because

???

[hollow shell]

No that's not what that means

That's saying that the dodge cooldown is universal
If you have both Daedalus Armor and Statis's Ninja Belt equipped, dodging with one and entering cooldown will prevent dodging with the other, too

[keen drum]

it means dodging with anything puts all dodges on that cooldown

[drowsy plank]

i realize

all of them share this but then

you look at evolution

and it punishes you for using it instead of another dodge/reflect cause...??

[crude geode]

15% dr on next hit if you get hit by the exact same thing

[hollow shell]

Gives you DR byeah

(and regen)

[gray nebula]

also it kinda drives the boc expert drop into being mid again innit

i forgot

is it mid now or

[hollow shell]

Exact regen stats are not documented either lemme fix that

[drowsy plank]

i feel like even with those upsides evolution should still have the 90 second cooldown cause like

[hollow shell]

Oh god damn it, it affects LifeRegenTime too
There's no easy way to document this

[drowsy plank]

that's why it's a later game accessory...??

oh?

also wait is scarf cooldown on a different dodge rack or does scarf block other dodges too?

[hollow shell]

It is separate

[drowsy plank]

huh

[hollow shell]

You can tell because it has a separate name

[drowsy plank]

yeah no i figured it was just weird to me

[hollow shell]

It's cuz that dodge is based on the dash, instead of just passive

[drowsy plank]

yeah

honestly i think the whole statis line would be so much better if it used scarf instead of dodge cooldown lmao

[crude geode]

I love ignoring vanilla items

[drowsy plank]

it's bc they're bad

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

:)

[fossil finch]

Statis belt and above should fuse the dash and the dodge into scarf dodge imo

[swift wharf]

spore sac

[drowsy plank]

give brain of cthulhu a spectral veil effect :))))

[swift wharf]

what's spectral veil

[hollow shell]

ligma balls

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

ok but honestly
it would be really funny
and give the player some way to control the dodge
maybe something more like iron shield from fargo's instead cause the BoC lore item was VERY stupid

[swift wharf]

boc lore was the uhhhh

rod but crimson right

[drowsy plank]

yeah

and it gave you confusion

[drowsy plank]

and then you can rework brain of cthulhu's fight as well-

[swift wharf]

I think it was good with laundanum

[drowsy plank]

oh god i forgot laund existed back then

yeah probably

[fossil finch]

We should readd lore item effects except they're all rod but conditional

[hollow shell]

I don't remember if Laud had its debuff effects though

[swift wharf]

it did

[hollow shell]

For a while it was just stat boosts and immunity to Horror

[drowsy plank]

all i know is boc lore and immunity laud did exist in the same update at some point

[swift wharf]

yeah

when laud was slightly op

[hollow shell]

Ah yes
https://terrariamods.fandom.com/wiki/Fargo's_Mod/Iron_Enchantment

Skill

[swift wharf]

ancient a

wait it's called fractured now I am stupid

[hollow shell]

Fractured Ark yes

though being an accessory this one is universal

and iirc its parry window is much shorter and its cooldown is also much shorter

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

I think combining higher reflect dmg multiplier and the increased reflect dmg the more dmg you take a single hit would be nice

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't say Polter's infernum limbs are a great comparison
Those are just like, ovals that squash and stretch to touch the joints, right

[fossil finch]

This thing used to also give you a soc dash, you can imagine the meta choice it was back then

[swift wharf]

everytime someone asks for a parry mechanic for all melee weapons just post that link

[drowsy plank]

i mean yeah right click when ur gonna get hit isn't the most terribly skilled base thing to do but like. it's still better than completely fuckin random like it is rn

[hollow shell]

No I wasn't being sarcastic, that is legitimately hard to do depending on how long the parry window is

[drowsy plank]

oh okay

[crude geode]

I though BoC got changed to be cooldown like all dodged in cal

[drowsy plank]

then yeah i mean that would be way cooler tbh, since it'd be weird to put it on a dash, and while, like i said, something like spec veil would be more thematic it would be... terribly busted tbh

[hollow shell]

It could be put on a dash

[drowsy plank]

it was yeah

i uh

huh

[crude geode]

forgor?

[drowsy plank]

well yeah i suppose BoC DOES actually dash

[hollow shell]

the boss or the item

[drowsy plank]

boss

[hollow shell]

ok

[drowsy plank]

so it wouldnt be completely out of place but... ehhhh? i mean eye of cthulhu was like RIGHT before it and CS is right there

[fossil finch]

Ytf are you bringing dashes up

[drowsy plank]

trying to give BoC a more controlled method of using its dodge

[hollow shell]

Counter Scarf dodge

dodgedash

[fossil finch]

Again thats for statis line

I wouldn't put a dash on boc

[drowsy plank]

because cooldown dodges kinda suck, we already get tons of complaints about them procing on like 1 damage attacks

yeah i wouldnt either but it was brought up so i was entertaining it for a minute

and while giving BoC a teleport dodge would be more thematic, even with a cool down, it still feels a bit silly for preHM

[crude geode]

If the solution to this mod to make every dodge into parry, that sounds slightly boring

[drowsy plank]

i dunno random dodges, even with cooldowns, are kinda weird tbh

the whole fact they have cooldowns now is the part that makes em weird honestly

before they were dumb but they didnt feel punishing for getting hit by the "wrong attack" bc they were random

[cobalt pewter]

what if dodges just

only account for cooldown if over 5% of current max HP is taken in a single hit

(if you have 550 hp (mid HM) that accounts 28 damage and beyond)

[drowsy plank]

not a bad idea ig

[gray nebula]

ok no offense to dom b ut

u rly coulda picked a better comparison than polters infernum limbs

[cobalt pewter]

I'm definitely unable to sugg to give Death's Ascension's right click swing animation to the left click?

why is the left click swing so fucking lame

lmao

hm

or maybe just giving cooler swing in general

[novel belfry]

those limbs still look better than CalClone's fight

[crude geode]

It’s almost like that fight’s sprites are getting redone soon

[cobalt pewter]

by soon do you mean at the very least 2030 perhaps?

[crude geode]

Yes

Every time I say soon I mean it in dev time

[swift wharf]

something like the whip animation would be nice

for the tentacles

[hollow idol]

if you mean the right click swing from the gitgud vid, that’s from another mod that does that to all sword swing anims

[cobalt pewter]

yeah hence why I amended my statement later

[novel belfry]

im incredibly annoyed by that gitgud vid solely for that mod

[gray nebula]

[lofty hedge]

:sobviang;

[swift wharf]

can I ask for the bot to purge suggestions with less than 5 lines

[safe oasis]

no

[hollow shell]

That's what 🗜️ is for

or, supposed to be for

[safe oasis]

short suggestions are fine as long as they fulfill the other criteria

[hollow shell]

@twilit pike Explain?

[swift wharf]

no good suggestions have less than 5 lines

[twilit pike]

i just want everyones favorite fungi crab to looker cooler

[hollow shell]

Okay I should have lead with this anyway but
In the Don'ts doc

[swift wharf]

Why did I expect that

ok but it has an image and an image speaks more than a thousand words

[cobalt pewter]

this is a powerful sugg

[swift wharf]

and it would kill 99.9% of the bad ones

[small timber]

If super short suggestions just randomly get deleted people will never know whats wrong with it, nor can non-mod people try to reply since they cant see deleted message

They will just try to repost the suggestion every 10 minutes wondering why it dont show up

[hot zephyr]

no

there's an equal amount of wordvomit garbage anwyays

[safe oasis]

there's probably more unnecessary lengthy suggs than short ones anyway

[hot zephyr]

if anything the larger suggestions tend to be the shitty ones

[swift wharf]

well just exclaim the ones that go through 🗜️ then

[hot zephyr]

if I had a quarter for every time a sugg starts out alright and then goes on a stupid tangent that results in getting a decline

i'd have at least a candy bar's worth of quarters

[hollow shell]

We already do a lot of the time

[cobalt pewter]

god

[swift wharf]

fair enough

[hollow shell]

Cuz suggs with improper formatting tend to also have invalid subjects

[safe oasis]

candy bar in current economy or candy bar in 1960s economy

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[safe oasis]

awesom!

:politecat:

[crude geode]

so true

[hot zephyr]

most things that fall into the scale of suggestions can generally be summed up in like, a paragraph at absolute most

once you go beyond that in 95% of scenarios you're either just reiterating the already established point or going into too much detail/left the scale of a suggestion

[hollow shell]

Extensive reasoning is good for a suggestion that is controversial
as that allows it to hold enough counterarguments to objections people may have

[hot zephyr]

and they fall into the 5%

just scrolling through the approved suggestion channel and a vast majority do not look controversial at all

[hollow shell]

fair enough

(there's a good chance they'll get deleted in posting too)

[hot zephyr]

i also think that most of the truly "controversial" ideas will never make it past voting, much less dev no matter how well articulated your point is

because we've (devs and testers) got a pretty solidified picture on what the mod should and shouldn't be

[ruby plover]

ah yes
resprite crabulon

smart, cool and good

[lofty stream]

"Yeah Crabulon totally needs a respite. Not like the current sprite is really good and all and is much better than the old sprite."

[silk comet]

Add trophy for the adult eidolon wyrm, I mean it is a superboss and all, he needs some love

[cobalt pewter]

no.

[frail mantle]

AEW deserves to

Uh

[cobalt pewter]

but honestly "superboss" has always been a wacky term, and AEW as a boss is made after it gets the title

which makes the whole thing very tacky

[small timber]

same suggestion already passed

I think the argument is less that "AEW is a superboss therefore it deserves a relic", but more that "if even minor event boss like mourning wood have a relic why doesn't AEW have one"

[cobalt pewter]

and speaking of the recent sugg

does photoviscerator have any elemental weapons in its recipe

[silk comet]

That’s true event bosses get their own trophy as well

[small timber]

phot use elemental eruption

but ya regardless of that @lofty stream not all post-ML weapons have upgrades, and elemental weapons are not exception either, flower of mortality also do not have upgrades, effervescence too; if you you want to expand the argument to the elemental -> exo progression line, even elemental lance stop at nadir instead of miracle matter tier

you need stronger reasoning than just "because other weapons have upgrade this should have too", ranger are not exactly lacking weapon choice at post-ML

[hollow shell]

(do they ever imply that all post-ML weapons have upgrades?))

[small timber]

not really, only elemental weapon I think

[hollow shell]

Okay from your wording it seemed like you were arguing against them saying that

[lofty stream]

I did change the wording to "upgrade at least once thoughout the playthrough"

[small timber]

ya, it is kinda of abit of a separate fact, but I think I worded it abit weirdly that make it looks like "post-ML all have upgrades"

[lofty stream]

And it's only elemental weapons I'm are talking about such as the blaster, shiv, ray, augar, etc.

[hollow shell]

I really don't know where you're getting that
Maybe it was an earlier edit

[small timber]

on that note another elemental weapon already upgrade into the final tier which is photoviscerator

[hollow shell]

byeah literally all other Ele weapons have upgrades except for Blaster and Flowers
Mostly into Exo weapons but not exclusively

I think we have a plan for Flowers to get an Exo-tier upgrade

[small timber]

ya I think I worded it in a very weird way since I don't know how to say it, tldr is that "elemental weapon don't automatically get upgrade just because they are elemental weapon, they should follow the rules just like other post-ML weapons, some get upgrade some don't"

[hollow shell]

but nothin for Blaster

[small timber]

I think this is the closest interpretation to what I wanted to say, but I worded it completely wrongly

is there cases of same class 2 exo tier weapon?

oh right mage and rogue have 2, ranger in fact have 3

ranger have photo, magnomaly and heavenly gale

[hollow shell]

yeah

Exoblade, Magnomaly Cannon, and Supernova are the three Exo weapons that do not have Elemental ingredients

Exoblade does have Terratomere though

and I guess The Pack serves as the "crafting tree" weapon for Magnomaly, considering it takes Scorpio which takes three base launchers
though it's weird cuz it's not themed that way and is a donor wep

but uhh anyway yeah I think Elemental Blaster needs attention

[eternal escarp]

i think it needs a rework but i digress

[hollow shell]

For a long time I've thought that it should not take Clock Gatlignum
Because it seems to be themed around the non-ammo ranged weapons

[frail mantle]

Elemental blaster is weird

[hollow shell]

Also yes get reworked cuz it is literally just Spectralstorm Cannon without flares

[small timber]

I dont think it need to be exo tier, but ya, maybe similar to elemental spear (nadir) where it just stop at post-DoG or something

[eternal escarp]

it has 3 weapons in its recipe

works nothing like any of them

and is boring

[hollow shell]

It works like Spectralstorm, its stream of ecto balls behaves very similarly to Blaster's rainbow balls stream

It's less than the sum of its parts

[eternal escarp]

do they behave similarly? i never noticed

[hollow shell]

It should take Storm Surge or Leviatitan or something, instead of Gatlignum

[eternal escarp]

they feel just like highly aggressive homing

while spectralstorm felt less aggressive and less streamlined

[hollow shell]

or Flurrystorm Cannon

[small timber]

but ya, personally I never really like the idea of random progression upgrade line that just last through several progression, to certain degree they incentivize the player to never try out stand alone weapon. Having "some" upgrade lines like this are fine since they are basically reward for farming, but I dont think there should be "too many"

which is why I thought the suggestion could use better reasoning, although if it is nadir kind of deal (where it just stop earlier than exo) I think it is fine?

though I will much prefer if it just upgrade into existing weapon instead of creating a new weapon to the massive post-DoG ranger weapon bloat, is there any weapon similar to elemental eruption around that point?

[cobalt pewter]

in general there's only 1 rogue elemental weapon

which is the odd one's out because summoner recently got another one

so it's the only class with a single elemental weapon

[hollow shell]

indeed

[cobalt pewter]

not sure where it was talked about, but an elemental bomb would be good as it'd be able to be immediately thrown into Supernova's recipe

[hollow shell]

Does rogue lack options immediately post-ML

[cobalt pewter]

yes

there was a suggestion exactly about that actually

[hollow shell]

I know there was a thing about there only being one ML drop, and that's fair indeed
But I'm talking like, overall throughout the tier, not just direct drops

[cobalt pewter]

I think the suggestion in exact was talking about giving another ML rogue drop

yea

well there's like

5 options

one of which is entirely unviable anywhere atm

so that leaves 4

Utensil Poker I honestly never used because I never liked the weapon

[hollow shell]

m
Reaper, Striker, Kunai, Poker, Disk

Oh and Hell's Sun actually

That's just Unholy Essence

[cobalt pewter]

Kunai and Disk are pretty strong, and Reaper is kinda so-so after the nerf now? maybe a bit better on killing healer guardian

Luminous Striker is pre-ML

post cultist

[hollow shell]

Oh, weird

Funny rarity

[cobalt pewter]

true

sometime ago

maybe 1.5?

1.5.0.001

no

I am idiot

that's 1.4.5.001

lemme check if there's anything in 1.5 beyond

there is in 1.5.0.001

[distant gyro]

striker could be pml

it's a large enough weapon to be movable

[cobalt pewter]

true

[small timber]

the vulnerability timing actually have no RNG whatsoever, but at the sametime it is incredibly shit

the tldr is you have to stay relatively close to thanatos for segments to open or otherwise it just refuse to open nor attacking the player

[cobalt pewter]

ah

that makes sense but jeez that is incredibly shitty

might amend my sugg in a min

[frosty trellis]

Looks like I'm not the only one that had an idea for changing up a shitty worm boss

Because god why is Rev DoG so damn unfair

I can't see
Shit

[small timber]

I tried once before but I think people misunderstood it to just be that thanatos will be a pure laser spam

[cobalt pewter]

also has a sugg planned for Apollo but 10 mins slowmode

[small timber]

when the suggestion actually just want vulnerability timing to be more obvious

[cobalt pewter]

I think those 2 are my biggest problems in exo mechs when it comes to the concepts

Apollo being super duper passive in comparison to Artemis and Spaz (+ its variants)

[small timber]

thanatos got a fat nerf next patch (according to tester's word), apollo is mildly threatening but artemis already fill the threatening part

I think thanatos being slower to make it less of a world tour (ares is actually surprisingly tame and can be fought in a much smaller arena) should already make exo mechs a lot fairer
the rest are of course combo mechs phases but that is already rework planned soon™️

[cobalt pewter]

apollo being mildly threatening is a massive overstatement

thing barely moves far from its intended position aside from that easily dodgeable zigzag

[small timber]

the thing is just since it is a duo boss so if you have 2 super threatening boss it will just be massive chaos

because you have to deal with artemis + apollo at the same time, currently it is more artemis + (support) apollo

cursed flame do hurt a lot (damage amp) and the splitted bolt will wear you down

[cobalt pewter]

I think generally the parts where there are multiple mechs on screen is when the fights kinda lost direction to me because nothing really changed with each mech between solo and multi fights

[hollow shell]

I'm not sure I see the connection between de-emphasizing the vulnerability mechanic
and being "more interesting and less of a melt fest"

You just say that they are prone to melting "because of how they work"

('you can tell it's an aspen tree cuz of the way it is')

[small timber]

personally I thought exo mech will be best if it is only solo and duo, and mechs retreat at 10% HP in their solo berzerk phase instead of just die, and when all 3 reach 10% you have a massive triple mech berzerk special phase, with shared hp pool so you fight and kill all 3 at the sametime

[small timber]

yeah I think maybe slightly more elaboration is needed, I think the full idea is maybe closer to that "because thanatos have limited vulnerability timing, thanatos is given low or negative DR so it is killable, which results in thanatos being easily melted whenever it is vulnerable (notably solo berzerk)"

[frail mantle]

The Mechs having unique interactions when more than one is present beyond them just being less aggressive is planned

[small timber]

tbh I do wonder with the reworked combo phase how will the solo berzerk phase fit in, since duo/trio phase kinda become the more interesting/important part of the fight

[cobalt pewter]

edited the sugg

[hollow shell]

Aight yeah this is better thank you

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

(one thing though
there's a "vulnerable" in the middle that's supposed to be "invulnerable")

[small timber]

sorry I wasn't too specific when saying that part opening is not rng so it caused some confusion, I think this is actually how it works:

• Thanatos open its segment if you are closer to its head, then the amount of segment open or the attack used depend on the pattern and of course whether it is berzerk
• Thanatos have a "chasing phase" where it just try to close in on the player, if you are close to the head during this time it will start attacking
• once being close to Thanatos' head, it will do 4 barrages, and when doing these 4 barrages segments will be opening and attacking regardless of their distance from the player (unless you are half a map across of course)
• Thanatos will then return to "chasing phase", by which it will shut all segments until you close in again

(oh didn't notice the suggestion did say "it is hard to tell whether it is rng or timed", well this is here now)

[cobalt pewter]

god.

(fixed I think)

[hollow shell]

yep that was the one

[small timber]

all are fair but isnt DoG's already change phases much less frequently during Phase 2?

or rather it stay purple longer, and only switch to blue for like 1 second then back to purple

[frosty trellis]

Is that not what I mentioned?

Do I need to reword that part?

[small timber]

oh I misread this line, but ya I think black background generally will just make it harder

since one distinct advantage of the background change is that phase switch/speed change become easily predictable, since dog speed up after half a second into phase change

so non-black background basically give you additional reaction time
death get away with this because of (probably unintentional) difficulty being lowered due to DoG's having max speed all the time, therefore no random speed up

Rev + black background might often lead to cheap shot from untrackable speed ups

[short walrus]

@karmic glacier addressed several times, not happening

[karmic glacier]

Okay

[small timber]

yeah techincal reasonings

[karmic glacier]

Not really active on the server at all so didn’t know

[karmic glacier]

Based on what I’ve seen when playing with the Midas Prime, it looks like it just consumes a bullet and uses its own type of bullet that is programmed to bounce off of the coins. Ichor bullets did not inflict ichor with it.

[frosty trellis]

Really?

Huh

[small timber]

basically the weapon use its own special projectile yeah

[frosty trellis]

I think it would just make it easier because I can actually see shit

[small timber]

which is probably part of the technical reasoning mentioned, because imagine with things like chlorophyte bullet will mess with midas prime's mechanic

[unique vector]

lol

every boss criticism sugg that tries to get posted and approved makes me sad

since like none of them survive

[small timber]

I dont remember having visiblity issue with DoG tbh, I will just recheck

[cobalt pewter]

so true

(I couldn't care less, if it dies it dies)

[small timber]

oh right I remember why I dont have the problem now, I always fight DoG with overlay map

[unique vector]

me when map overlap is required to fight a boss and not just a helpful tool

[small timber]

yeah I didn't realise it is this bad

@manic chasm already planned, and I think being implemented

also to when it will get into the mod all I know is soon™️

[manic chasm]

oh cool

[small timber]

classic soon™️ suggestions, at least this one is on to-do

[cobalt pewter]

do be overlay moment

(I hate it so much)

(I'd much prefer using minimap)

[ashen warren]

Doesn't Infernum do this already

[keen zodiac]

yeah

but it's just a big hole

[eternal escarp]

i believe this counts as sugg for old content

which is disallowed

[upbeat yacht]

why was it removed anyway?

[cobalt pewter]

I'm actually curious too

I assumed it was because of the massive dissonance between phases

but it's probably not that

am I crazy or have I heard mentions of bloodworm terrarium recently here

[copper coyote]

I asked about this here if it is planned to be added in the future, there was no answer, so I suggested this

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

yeah I am not crazy then

[small timber]

There definitely was talk about bloodworm terrarium yeah

[long ridge]

I think core phase was removed for lore reasons

[small timber]

Slime god phase was reworked for lore reason for QS to make sense I think, so the core can escape

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

why did it explode then

shoulda done a Grand Thunderbird and fly upwards like a chad

[small timber]

I think it is actually teleport out, but ya not very clear

[long ridge]

Like scal at 1 percent

[upbeat yacht]

they could've kept the core phase, just made it invincible at low hp so that it can flee i think

[small timber]

Yeah I agree, though the decision is already made and suggestion rules are still there

Also I just realise the move elysian tracer suggestion havent receive a approved or rejected check mark yet

Guess it can be a bit controversial

Since its sprite and wing sprite is obviously cosmilite

[hollow shell]

I should prolly add 'dungeon arena' to the Frequently Suggesteds

[inner anvil]

Or maybe 'Worldgen'd boss arenas' in general.

[hollow shell]

Also pretty sure Core phase was removed cuz a lot of classes struggled to hit the small agile aerial target

[gray nebula]

in general its more like

to make the projectile bounce on coins i have to loop through every projectile that exists

(1000 projectile slots max)

(but yea basically i loop through 1000 slots)

and do a check to see if the projectile is a coin and then i bounce it

if i had to make every bullet do this loop . eh oh !/§§:: mmmm

dont wanna

imagine the minishark

[crude geode]

P90

@frail mantle could we get an exclaim on the Midas sugg considering iban’s comments above

[hollow shell]

We love
Terraria not having inherent projectile-on-projectile collision detection

[drowsy plank]

@copper coyote it'll exist when someone makes the sprite for it

[copper coyote]

good

[oblique geyser]

My suggestion hasn't been voted on yet weird

[crude geode]

Ah fuck

[distant gyro]

oh

nycro bot is still offline

stay clueless

[drowsy plank]

@narrow mantle a suggestion about adding an outline to the altar already passed i believe

also dont lump them into one message

[narrow mantle]

oh-

[drowsy plank]

those would be two different suggs

[narrow mantle]

ok

sorry, just thought they were related enough

[drowsy plank]

you dont need to start it with "suggestion:" either

[narrow mantle]

agh-

okie

sorry-

[hollow shell]

(it's fine if you do

But yeah you should only have one idea per suggestion)

[drowsy plank]

dw about it, just try to stick to the formatting others use, tho i have seen plenty of people make fancy scal arenas with the current altar size so some more reasoning might help

[drowsy plank]

of course, but it's definitely best to try and keep your title straightforward and to the point if you want it to have any chance to pass lmao

[ashen warren]

quick question because I was thinking of suggesting this but unsure if it was already planned or not, are Hardmode variants of the Calamity fishing crates planned to be a thing to stay consistent with 1.4 or not yet?

[narrow mantle]

i did say it also makes it confusing on how to build it
as, the Scal arena is always an odd number of blocks, while the altar is an even amount of blocks, meaning it can't be centered

[distant gyro]

doubt hardmode crates would be a thing

[drowsy plank]

huh... that is weird, really thought that it would be that normal had an even size and death was just weird but nope they're both odd

[narrow mantle]

yeah it's confusing to me...

[drowsy plank]

well uh

are you gonna edit your suggestion...?

cause changing altar size and adding arena perimeter markers should still be two seperate suggs

also here's the altar sugg;
#suggestions-discussion message

@chilly magnet balance suggestions go in here by pinging a tester

[narrow mantle]

yep

[eternal escarp]

(people use that weapon?)

[chilly magnet]

Sorry. What do i do?

[drowsy plank]

you still have two ideas in one suggestion...

[grim tusk]

Do we return to the olden days where testers did the bot’s job or smth?

[narrow mantle]

yea i'm changing it

[drowsy plank]

well blast and storm are both here and are both testers so i guess just ask them about trying it out

[grim tusk]

Just @pastel crow melee weapon balancing (Ultimus Cleaver)

[drowsy plank]

sorry, sorry lol

[eternal escarp]

i could actually check ultimus myself like

rn

[grim tusk]

Im at school atm so I cant balance shit, so thank you

[distant gyro]

it's gonna do its thing when it goes back on

[neat linden]

melee speed changes perchance

[distant gyro]

which is an unknown amount of time

[narrow mantle]

hm

is my suggestion better?

[drowsy plank]

yeah that looks much better

[neat linden]

and i agree it should not be 4 in length :hdflr:

[drowsy plank]

while i think making the title just "Make Altar of the accursed 5 blocks in width rather than 4 blocks" would do better in voting that's more of a personal suggestion from how ive seen suggestions perform

[narrow mantle]

alright

there!

[neat linden]

Also remove that "Suggestion:" part because it's obviously a suggestion

[drowsy plank]

yeah i already said that lol

[narrow mantle]

oh okie qwq
i watch wand of sparking's terraria myth videos way too much

[cobalt pewter]

@chilly magnet testing matters isn't on that channel, you ping testers directly here

the list of names on pins

[distant gyro]

you're a bit late

[cobalt pewter]

god

I was playing dead cells

[eternal escarp]

im already checking it

found something else about the weapon that is kinda wacky

[drowsy plank]

oh?

[eternal escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406493898341613568/1021486595968352417/Terraria_Part_3__The_Return_of_the_Guide_2022-09-19_21-21-17.mp4 unrelated to its balance

[royal tapir]

This will have a lasting impact on the beryllium economy

[pastel crow]

Virtually every melee weapon has been changed by melee speed adjustments either loosing or gaining damage, almost nothing remained unchanged

Melee balance is out of wack but actual changes cannot be made at this time

[frosty trellis]

I use it for phase 3 of fishron because easy homing and the true melee strike is pretty pog

[novel belfry]

it also has the true melee marker... even though it fires projectiles without needing to hit the boss

huh

[grim tusk]

That sounds like a bug

[rotund tree]

it has a kinda unique way of shooting projectiles, and since most true melee weapons are automatically made "true melee" by just checking for a designated projectile that it shoots, this one wasn't detected

because it doesn't fire on use, it fires a projectile on specific points of the swing animation

the same thing can be seen with inferna cutter

[small timber]

I know this was discussed earlier, but isnt it will be a bit weird to suggest to rework elemental blaster AND give it an upgrade at the sametime?

Since the 2 suggestions conflict with each other and will cause the votes to be splitted

[lofty stream]

Good point. I'll save the second one for later once the first one gets voted on.

[small timber]

Or you can leave the one you think are better yeah

Depend on whether you want rework or upgrade more

Though I think you should keep the upgrade one, since elemental weapons are planned for rework

Not sure the degree of which they are rework (maybe some of them will stay similarly to current version) or eta of when it will happen, but I do heard a rework is definitely planned

[drowsy plank]

someone should probably flag the ultimus cleaver sugg

[frail mantle]

@hollow tusk

[keen zodiac]

basic reading comprehension challenge

[crude geode]

Undo the whole split of posting and voting

[keen zodiac]

reAD THE PINS

[crude geode]

Capslock and bolding text really doesn’t help make people read pins

[neat linden]

[hollow shell]

Has this user even posted a suggestion before

I don't mean that pejoratively I mean that literally

[frail mantle]

not as far as i can tell

[hollow shell]

Weire

d

There should be an AEW trophy indeed but that ain't how you format a suggestion

[golden tulip]

i mean isnt the plan to un upgrade aew again

[hollow shell]

I haven't heard of any such plans, at least where I look.

[drowsy plank]

i mean that doesnt mean it shouldnt have a trophy

[hollow shell]

It's true that we plan on Noxus and Xeroc being "the" two superbosses
But we haven't yet added demotion of the existing superboss to those plans

[drowsy plank]

also i think at most it just wont be a superboss lmao

lol funny

[golden tulip]

i think i remember ozz saying that

a while ago by now

calamity plans seem to change every day so

[hollow shell]

My favorite dev plans are ones said by one guy one time and by no one else ever again

[crude geode]

yeah those are pretty great

or ones that are just "it would be cool if we did this" and nothing else

and people take it as official dev plans

[golden tulip]

oh sorry for thinking something might happen when a dev is being serious about having a plan for something 😐

[hollow shell]

Can you find his message

[golden tulip]

5 months ago as of now

[hollow shell]

Alright I see thank you

[hollow shell]

From that convo
Looks like he was speaking with this in mind

(the first half)

[golden tulip]

alright.

[hollow tusk]

@frail mantle

[hollow shell]

Can you elaborate on your suggestion

[hollow tusk]

Oh sure

[unique vector]

me when dev plans jumpscare devs

[hollow tusk]

It uhghhh takes to long for the bot to take votes

It’s sowed down a lot sence last year

[hollow shell]

(technically a suggestion about the suggestion channels should go through the ModMail instead of here, but I'm right here anyway)

It's not slower, it's a fixed delay

[swift wharf]

do you mean posting→voting or the time to get delivered

[hollow tusk]

That

It uhhh bot is slow and lame

[hollow shell]

There was an "or" in that question, G<>se

[swift wharf]

it takes one day

if the suggestion has no problems that is

[hollow tusk]

I’m walking to class sorry rn I’m slow

[hollow shell]

That's ok

[hollow tusk]

It doesn’t really matter anyway

I just like voting

[swift wharf]

it is this way so bad suggestions don't go to voting

[hollow shell]

Yes. In the past we let people post straight into #suggestions-voting (known at the time as just #suggestions) and it was... awkward
A lot of bad and invalid suggestions would come through, and drown out the ones that actually had a chance

They often went undeleted cuz there was no official system, no automation

Now we do have automation, a lot of it
Things are way smoother nowadays

#suggestions-voting now only hosts valid suggestions

[hollow tusk]

That’s fine

[ashen warren]

3 ❗s in a row. New record?

[neat linden]

i think there was a higher score than that

[grim tusk]

Like 11 or smth

About times of the port

Beat R&D and Draedon combined

[drowsy plank]

i thought it was 20

either way it was a lot

[narrow mantle]

is my suggestion still valid? i do wish for feedback or at least a reason why the altar of the accursed must or is better off staying its current size.

[hollow shell]

Your suggestion is fine 👍

[narrow mantle]

oki

it's just a REALLY big pet peev of mine
like, "let's center an even width altar in an odd width arena"
it won't.

i thought it was 3 or something but i personally think five fits it much more

[drowsy plank]

i mean

demon bone ash is a potion ingredient

id rather it be plentiful than not

[hollow shell]

Admittedly just one potion

[golden tulip]

good sugg

(i always put it in autotrash)

[solid skiff]

I didn't expect my onion suggestion to be liked

gotta love democracy

[drowsy plank]

it will probably get rejected like the last one even if it passes voting

[grim tusk]

People forget that Zerg potions need demonic bone ash due to alch npc overreliance

[crude geode]

yeah they do

it's like the one ingredient I worry about in zerg pots

[frosty trellis]

I mean no. I did because I use blood orbs to make it

[hollow shell]

@wintry frigate You should acknowledge the fact that Zergs are a continuous usage of the ingredient

It is not a one-time craft unlike the other four

[twilit pike]

y

[short walrus]

@twilit pike calamity's vanities exists

[hollow shell]

@twilit pike Plushies are from Calamity Vanities mod, not the main mod

[twilit pike]

oh yeah

sorry

[drowsy plank]

@proud quest wouldn't it be better to just say "antlions" than "enemies" in this scenario? what other enemies have speed modifiers like antlions in death anyway

[proud quest]

I sometimes see zombies do it

thats why i didnt say antlions

i see multiple enemies do it but i mostly see antlions doing it

[drowsy plank]

ok i have no idea what you're talking about

secondly, this... is a vanilla thing

[proud quest]

how

ive never seen a zombie go at mach speed in vanilla

[drowsy plank]

death doesnt change antlions speed

and i have no idea what you're talking about still with the zombies??

[proud quest]

its basically the acceleration

though

[drowsy plank]

can you get a video of this with OBS or something?

[proud quest]

hold on

sure

[unique vector]

antlions do not seem to be faster

[drowsy plank]

the way 3nel phrased this made it sound like zombies are charging at antlion speeds, and while they do get a small boost to speed they should... not be doing that

[hollow shell]

Antlion Chargers use Fighter AI right

[deft yew]

Death makes antlion mothers shoot giant bursts of sand blocks, chargers gain ridiculous acceleration when they jump, and swarmers simply faster and more aggro

[proud quest]

hold on maybe i phrased it wrong

[deft yew]

No

[drowsy plank]

they do

[proud quest]

gimme a sec i need to crop the vid

its the acceleration

[unique vector]

i have no clue tbh

[proud quest]

literally momentum capacitator speeds

[unique vector]

awesine

[hollow shell]

Okay yes then they do change in Death Mode

cuz of the overarching change

[drowsy plank]

either way, while chargers are kind stupid ive never seen a zombie flying like they were using momentum capacitor before

[proud quest]

adjusted it

a bit

[deft yew]

oh bruv

[proud quest]

ive seen it way less than antlion chargers but it happens sometimes

[hollow shell]

Chargers already had huge acceleration in vanilla sometimes, so it makes sense that increasing their base speed would have exponential effects

[deft yew]

Only chargers have that stupid bhop acceleration

[proud quest]

deadass just remove its bhop

its so stupid

[proud quest]

the vid

[unique vector]

WHAT THE FUCK

[proud quest]

you are a developer and you have never seen this??

[deft yew]

[proud quest]

wtf

[unique vector]

no i usually kill the antlions by then

👍

[deft yew]

Trust me there are a lot of things half the team has never seen

[crude geode]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[unique vector]

i also dont make 50 mile long hallways

/ rooms

[proud quest]

pre boss rogue

[proud quest]

infernum

[deft yew]

Which is fine, because this mod is freakin huge

[proud quest]

its pre generated boss

[unique vector]

i also dont play infernum

[proud quest]

arena

[unique vector]

lol

[proud quest]

ik

[swift wharf]

infernum issue.....

[unique vector]

does infernum edit enemy speeds

[deft yew]

No

[swift wharf]

@ dom fix your mod

[proud quest]

holy FUCKING SHIT I just saw them go faster than a freight train

literally bullet speeds

[drowsy plank]

either way i meant zombies doing it cause ive never seen it with them, but i guess if you can manage to get a zombie to bhop like an antlion it could happen because fighter AI just be like that i guess????

[proud quest]

no joke

[deft yew]

The ONLY things Infernum does are worldgen, bosses, some boss weapon resistances, and some new items

[swift wharf]

I've never seen a zombie go slightly fast

[crude geode]

nah antlion bhop is completely normal cal (maybe even vanilla???? only ever saw it in cal tho)

[deft yew]

Antlion bhop is vanilla

[proud quest]

its definitely not as much as antlion

[swift wharf]

yeah they accelerate and bhop in vanilla

[unique vector]

thatsa fucking awesome

[swift wharf]

I thought they had charger AI tho

like the shrubs

[drowsy plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79vBDjNYwi4

[proud quest]

not if i want to do shit without getting overrun by a train antlions

[drowsy plank]

this is a vanilla thing

[unique vector]

L

[swift wharf]

anyways

this sounds like an infernum problem

skill issue

[unique vector]

no

[proud quest]

it goes that fast but multiply it by 30

[unique vector]

if infernum doesnt edit enemies then its not infernum lmao

[proud quest]

death mode modifys it i think

[crude geode]

[unique vector]

its probably a combination of vanilla behavior and calamity death's enemy edits

[swift wharf]

they're only going that fast

because you're giving them a racing track

[drowsy plank]

bro i watched the video it's the same speed basically. and yeah death modifies it like. barely

[proud quest]

death mode calamity problem

[swift wharf]

ug desert is too crowded for them to go that fast

[drowsy plank]

this isnt even a problem vanilla does the exact same thing

[proud quest]

no i mean when theyre off screen when bhopping its 30 times faster

[unique vector]

doesnnt solve the core issue that this guy is asking about

🤷‍♀️

[drowsy plank]

why do antlions even have this effect on them

[swift wharf]

just whack them

[proud quest]

bro

[swift wharf]

that's a good question tho

[proud quest]

im weak as SHIT

[drowsy plank]

ok but they take knockback

[proud quest]

barely

[swift wharf]

you're post acid rain

[drowsy plank]

so brain of cthulhu them

[swift wharf]

how are you weak

[proud quest]

rogue

[swift wharf]

still

if this was preboss, sure

[proud quest]

and i cant find urchin stingers to get sulphurous armor

bro i still have preboss weapons

i only get a single weapon for acid rain and its not even that good

[swift wharf]

that's on you

[proud quest]

no the fuck its not

wtf

[crude geode]

.

[proud quest]

why do you love antlions so damn much

the lorde is watching

[swift wharf]

I'm talking about the skill issue, not the actual problem

[proud quest]

there is no skill issue

its just hell on earth

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest it couldnt hurt to give these guys an acceleration/velocity cap lol

[swift wharf]

but yes they will agree that they're a bit too fast

[unique vector]

hey

[swift wharf]

I will agree*

[unique vector]

yall drop it

thank you

stupid argument over nothing

just leave the sugg as is

[proud quest]

i feel like antlions are incredibly strong as well for death mode lol

i can barely scratch em

[unique vector]

you may want to post the video as evidence to attach to your sugg just to clarify it a bit more

[pastel crow]

It has to do with antilions clipping into blocks and essentially doing a BLJ into the player

[swift wharf]

the sugg is fine I just also think this is a minimal skissue

[unique vector]

but thats abt it

[proud quest]

ok

[unique vector]

not helpful

👍

[swift wharf]

shrug

[drowsy plank]

did the sugg about removing antlions sand spit or making it FTW exclusive ever pass

[swift wharf]

I think it's still in voting phase

[unique vector]

hmmm yes today i will be a kind individual and yell skill issue as my only critique

[pastel crow]

This had been an issue forever, deathmode doesn’t actually effect it much because with the speed they go on normal you’re getting hit with or without the deathmode speed boost

[crude geode]

this chat really do have a problem with not wording criticism like the offending sugg murdered their favorite item

[swift wharf]

we live in an underground desert

[unique vector]

interesting

collision is vunfky

[proud quest]

ngl true

the DM sand spit is incredibly annoying and its not even difficult gameplay wise

its just a mess to clean up

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[deft yew]

It’s subject changin time

[swift wharf]

maybe we should try IL removing it

[proud quest]

were talking about suggestions though

[drowsy plank]

fargo's already got rid of it i think, but it does attack faster now or something

american sniper antlions but at least the blocks dont stick around right

[proud quest]

w

[swift wharf]

huh

I thought it would break

because we've seen what happens when you try to remove the lava from lava slimes

[drowsy plank]

i think it'd be like removing the tile placing effect of sandgun

lava slimes are weird, i dont think there's another enemy that spawns a tile on death like it does

meanwhile antlions are just fancy sandguns

so a lot simpler

[swift wharf]

yeah that makes sense

spawning tile vs projectile that spawns tile

[proud quest]

antlions should keep the normal attack it has and keep the amount of sand

[deft yew]

holy crap man antlion mothers are irritating

[proud quest]

the chargers?

[swift wharf]

swarmers?

[deft yew]

I call the spitting ones mothers because bestiary

[drowsy plank]

funny bestiary moment

[swift wharf]

wtf

[crude geode]

correct

[deft yew]

The bestiary says antlions burrow into the surface when they lay their eggs

[swift wharf]

[deft yew]

but anyway

stealth effects :smile

[swift wharf]

give stealth actual stealth

(there's not a single situation where being stealthy is useful)

[gilded scroll]

give stealth a new name lol

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[proud quest]

stealth doesnt even give you invisibility effect

[gilded scroll]

because stealth is not stealth, its just beeg damage

[proud quest]

despite making you invisible

and called stealth

[swift wharf]

((I'll break your kneecaps if you mention abyss))

[cobalt pewter]

isn't it

planned

[crude geode]

concepts that will never happen #2853

[cobalt pewter]

not sure if it's actually gonna happen

[drowsy plank]

wasn't there plans to rename it to focus once or something

[gilded scroll]

it better, because it sure as aint called stealth, hell, i dont mind calling it charge

[proud quest]

i keep mistaking stealth for adrenaline because i forget which is which

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[gilded scroll]

because stealth is yet another charge meter ™️

[swift wharf]

call it

[deft yew]

I would love to hear a developer reason not to rename stealth

[swift wharf]

exhaustion

:trol

[cobalt pewter]

god

godgodgod

[deft yew]

I like how we never talked about the sugg content

[hot zephyr]

it sounds cool

[gilded scroll]

diverman sam would like to know your location

[cobalt pewter]

no way

[swift wharf]

that's me

[deft yew]

ok tester

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-gif-23998985

[swift wharf]

I'm john thorium

[drowsy plank]

you think ive played rogue?? i need something to talk about still

[swift wharf]

[gilded scroll]

cap

[drowsy plank]

ok for real what would be wrong with naming it focus

that's literally what you're doing you're holding the attack and focusing on the boss for a more powerful hit

idk

[proud quest]

haha vergil meter go brr

[cobalt pewter]

stealth strikes in general can be looked at to be more interesting, but that's low on priority I would feel

[crude geode]

indeed

[hot zephyr]

wynncraft already copyrighted focus with the introduction of the sharpshooter archetype for archers
ask @sand umbra

[proud quest]

shitty reference though

[cobalt pewter]

Supernova is already planned to be gigachungus tho

[drowsy plank]

truly incredible

[crude geode]

trolled

[gilded scroll]

still hoping my suggestion passes

[cobalt pewter]

gotta love to see when it happens

[proud quest]

please never add focus to ranger

[deft yew]

mmmmmm