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#suggestions-discussion
frosty trellis
Thanatos spawning now is laggy as fuck with one of the other mechs
And it wasn't like this literally last update
proven needle
I do have that problem
But as long as I do not get consistently hit I’ll just tough it out
It’s only during the spawning?
frosty trellis
It's like the first 5-10 seconds after thanatos spawns in one of the duo or trio phases
proven needle
Ok that will pose a problem when avoiding hits
Normally for me it lags until Thanatos fires its first volley, then the lag lightens up
frosty trellis
Yeah I'm literally now forced to start thanatos to prevent lag
Which has never happend to me until now
fossil finch
It may be another mod or something the update's been out for a good while and I've never seen or had this specific issue
frosty trellis
My modlist hasn't changed since 2.0.0.3
fossil finch
Well, again, 2.0.1 didn't release yesterday
it may still be another mod update messing something up
proven needle
Does anyone feel like some of the sound effects for the exo mechs could be beefier than they are now? (Specifically the kill sounds and ares firing the single laser)
ruby plover
Something tells me having Betsy’s curse as a classless debuff would be strong
frosty trellis
No I see what he means after trying it out
Due to the speed of thanatos and the telegraph of the lasers, if you don't RoD or ram after GDR ends, it's almost guarenteed that you're getting hit by either Thanatos or the lasers
inner anvil
I meant that for the T Hanos beam.
proven needle
I meant that for the T Hanos beam.
That is the gamma disintegration ray (GDR)
fossil finch
you're talking to a tester
Also yes it's called t hanos beam
It was referred as thanos beam ingame for a while
frosty trellis
Staying close to dodge T Hanos beam is how you dodge it yes
Afterwards there are issues
Which is why people usually shred thanatos or RoD/Ram after T Hanos beam
inner anvil
Okay, I'm going to elaborate on what I mean by "Making Thanatos slower overrall".
Next update we:
· Made Thanatos' speed lowered.
· Made his lasers go slower.
· Made the telegraphs of the lasers longer.
If there's anything else, I don't remember.
frosty trellis
Okay thank god
inner anvil
But that's the most important parts I think.
frosty trellis
That will be so nice
proven needle
Berserk Thanatos is a huge difficulty spike in the fight
frosty trellis
Especially in the trio phase
frosty trellis
Berserk Thanatos is a huge difficulty spike in the fight
Depends on the class but yeah
proven needle
Comparable to exo mecha mayhem
proven needle
I eagerly await the day when we have a fully realized exo mech fight
Favorite boss in the mod (conceptually at least)
errant cloud
well the exos are different from a number of bosses in that they sort of work off of an anchor
that if you're clever enough, you'll probably spot
they're fixed to a certain spot relative to the player except for thanatos who is independent and don't need no man
i don't know the exact placements but if i had to take a guess it's
player npc location -75 (x, for eye 1)
player npc location +75 (x, for eye 2)
player npc location +50 (y, for ares)
or somethin
fossil finch
Don't think that's exact byeah
frosty trellis
I personally think conceptually and gameplay wise calclone is my fav but eh, uncommon opinion. Also best OST
proven needle
Does anyone know if there are any plans for proficiency right now?
proven needle
Never liked it
Especially since I don’t like being shoehorned into playing one class
frosty trellis
It has a miniscue effect on class damage
fleet coral
profficiency was always confusing tbh
wasnt sure if it was a QOL addon for lime imk sushi at first or not
drowsy plank
maybe it can be killed with the RE guns!
proven needle
I like to switch up classes every few bosses or so
drowsy plank
definetly a "because we can" not a "because we should" kind of change to the game tbh
grim tusk
It has a miniscue effect on class damage
Minuscule is an understatement
And then theres also ranger getting movement speed????
Proficiency has been discussed, it will prob stay but do something different than “increased stats”
drowsy plank
proficiency replaces random items as the progression lock on crafting recipes 
fleet coral
I feel like proficiency would be cooler if it gave you skill points to use towards small buffs
Like small buffs to movement speed over time
If you want
Or faster rage charge
drowsy plank
...like a skill tree?
frosty trellis
That could be interesting but would be a drastic change and would be a complete nightmare to balance
drowsy plank
as if proficiency isnt already
frosty trellis
Just kill proficiency
And proficiency is a 6% boost at max level iirc
In that class's damage
drowsy plank
oh god i just noticed melee gives melee speed bonuses
drowsy plank
do testers change their proficiency levels before fighting bosses even?
can you even do that?
frosty trellis
I honestly don't even think of that because level 15 prof in a normal pt is completely unreasonable
drowsy plank
YEAH
inner anvil
I think you just brought a big issue between testers.
I might need to fix this.
Well, might is an understatement.
frosty trellis
I was kinda testing without caring about prof tbh
frosty trellis
Because I completely forgot about the mechanic and have no way to max it out easy
inner anvil
I don't know about other testers, and that's a huge problem.
inner anvil
Don't worry, I'll do.
frosty trellis
Because I test with like maybe the first couple levels at most because it just happens
drowsy plank
how do you even shut it off?
inner anvil
I literally turn it off in the config.
inner anvil
how do you even shut it off?
Cal config.
frosty trellis
I literally turn it off in the config.
Fair enough
drowsy plank
oh my god i didnt even know there was one...
frosty trellis
Yeah neither did I lol
drowsy plank
this is actually the worst
inner anvil
Well, it's been there since forever.
drowsy plank
i know and that's the worst part
because no one ever thinks about this thing
i just glaze over it every time
inner anvil
Well, I'll go talk to other testers.
drowsy plank
alright
good luck
@tribal dock
- what
- wrong formatting
- this sounds like a bug, or something in the audio engine that the cal team could not fix lmao, either way i think #bugs-read-pins is a better place for this
frosty trellis
I glaze over it as well since I am not sitting there with my testing character getting level 15 proficiency with everything
drowsy plank
i have a
really probably rule breaking sugg if im being honest
but like, if fab wants to keep prof in the game, the whole skill tree thing sounds a whole lot more interesting than what we have now, where it's basically a hidden "the community" slapped onto every player
grim tusk
do testers change their proficiency levels before fighting bosses even?
Set it to max and then dont give a fuck about it
frosty trellis
How?
drowsy plank
lmfao
frosty trellis
How does one set prof to max?
grim tusk
Cal Test Helpers
half sage
caltesthelper mod
drowsy plank
ah
grim tusk
@tribal dock you need reasoning
frosty trellis
Caltesthelpers can max out prof? This I need to see to be sure
grim tusk
Not just the title
frosty trellis
I don't remember there being a setting in the mod for that
grim tusk
frosty trellis
OH SO THAT'S WHAT THAT LITTLE POWER BUTTON UI IS FOR
grim tusk
I don't remember there being a setting in the mod for that
you can get the mod on the nohit doc in #help-advice-read-pins
frosty trellis
Yeah I have the mod enabled storm
Been using it to mess around with all post-dog weapons
I didn't realize you could set prof to max there
fossil finch
ussdf scary
gilded scroll
hm?
drowsy plank
ok well firstly, you dont need to include "if possible" because if it isnt possible it will just get flagged in voting but secondly
why
like cursed capper exists if you want to do this and keep it all in class
but also, there are better options anyway at this point?
i dunno this feels weird and i dont think it'd be easy to program either
gilded scroll
well, it would give an otherwise boring class some variety to it
and secondly, having your hotbar clogged with weapons just to have a slight edge isnt practical in the slightest
third, the example i gave is one of many, theres the possibility of many combos that can be done with this
gilded scroll
do you really want to scroll through 5-6 weapons and try and juggle all the effects they provide? hell. that would make a high intensity fight even more stressful
forest berry
Can we also discuss ideas from #suggestions-voting here?
drowsy plank
Can we also discuss ideas from <#263382359397761025> here?
i mean yeah that's fine
cant change anything about the one already in voting but if it fails or something yeah
cobalt pewter
do you really want to scroll through 5-6 weapons and try and juggle all the effe...
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
drowsy plank
^
gilded scroll
an idea to make ranger more varied
forest berry
Re: making Astrum Aureus more understandable: I think the jump attacks are fine since you can dodge them by running in one direction anyway, but the Aureus Spawns do need help
drowsy plank
dodging by running is unintended, you're supposed to go under him, but it's conveyed poorly, so id say it's still worth including
you're not supposed to be able to outrun him 
cobalt pewter
it's still a stupid looking jump
forest berry
Maybe my arena was so short it was never a problem
fossil finch
Still the player should know you're supposed to go under him
cobalt pewter
make it more like QS slam tbh
fossil finch
way more consistent and better and
forest berry
I like the idea of assigning ammo to a specific ranger weapon, would be very helpful for fights where halfway through the strategy changes (Profaned Guardians, Storm Weaver)
frosty trellis
Hey @pastel crow , Elemental shiv is somehow way more broken than swordsplosion
drowsy plank
comedy
drowsy plank
true!!!
drowsy plank
cant wait til they all have starlight functionality and we never have to worry about these shitty projectile barfers ever again 
fossil finch
Ele shiv has a reason to exist and it's is rewor
fossil finch
Cosmic Shiv has a reason to exist and it's someone's money
drowsy plank
did anyone ever ask rover for yata's discord ID
still waiting for a response from helixas to even begin to discuss universal genesis
frosty trellis
Then make it *not suck*
It's stream gouge and nadir bad
Universal Genesis I don't see a problem with it functionally just needs a buff
drowsy plank
no it's
the recipe
one of them uses nebulous core and the other uses 8 cosmolite
why
drowsy plank
it seems like a leftover from when neb core was expert exclusive
frosty trellis
Probably
drowsy plank
i kinda get that part cause like? falling stars
fossil finch
Donor recipes
frosty trellis
It doesn't need three star cloaks
fossil finch
Anyways cosmic shiv will literally never get changed goodnight
frosty trellis
Why?
fossil finch
It's donor
frosty trellis
Well I know it's a donor thing
Was just hoping it could get buffed so it didn't suck
fossil finch
Balancing isn't subject to donor rules if that's what you want
frosty trellis
I want it to not have an 8 minute Yharon killtime
fossil finch
Well ping xyk or something idk
frosty trellis
He knows
fossil finch
Then wait?
frosty trellis
Yeah
Just waiting
Just more shocked on Ele Shiv since Mega earlier said it was better than swordsplosion and I just sat there like no shot and boy was I wrong
iron python
What does the 🗜️ emoji means in the suggestion-posting channel ?
sand ermine
it means the bot cant recognize it
because you didnt put the title then use shift+enter
iron python
Oh i see, ty
sand ermine
for example, something like "buff zenith!!!!111 (shift+enter) lfjal;sjf;lkjh" would go through (and most likely be declined)
iron python
Yes, indeed
frosty trellis
Yes indeed bc Zenith is fine as is lmao
iron python
Talking about Zenith, I think that the actual Zenith in Calamity should be nerfed to be used at the tier it is supposed to be used at in the vanilla version of the game ; post-Moon Lord/pre-Providence, and that it should be used in a craft or something similar at the end of the game to serve a purpose like its original one, that is to be the ultimate weapon
And of course its craft should stay the same as the one in vanilla
drowsy plank
that isnt going to happen
we've had plenty of discussions about this
so uh
dont want to start another one
small timber
Rover talked about how moving zenith to post provi but nerfed can be an idea, but the first step is of course to convince all other devs
iron python
At the end of Calamity, it could be used in two main different way : one is to being a part of an ultimate Zenith-like sword recipe, but a Calamity styled one, or (as a good idea i have seen on the suggestions-posting channel once), to transform into an exhumed weapon called "Nadir" (imo a fantastic way to give a meaningful name to this change), and the already existing weapon that is called "Nadir" could simply have its name twisted into an another one
small timber
So ya, probably unlikely to happen, or even not gonna happen through suggestion
The weapon name "nadir" is already used, and it is on a donor weapon so ya
small timber
Tldr zenith change (or retier) suggestion is disallowed now and will never go through anyway
If it happen it will have to come through from the devs themselves, and not through suggestion
iron python
Rover talked about how moving zenith to post provi but nerfed can be an idea, bu...
I know the main reason not to nerf Zenith depends from its iconic ultimate weapon aura from its power IN vanilla, that is relative to the power-scaling of the bosses in vanilla, but in Calamity it doesn't matter anymore, as there is much more powerful foes to defeat and way more powerful swords ; Zenith became a pretty average weapon in the mod, if it stayed at post-Moon Lord tier and were used in the most powerful sword recipe or something similar, it could maintain its iconic aura and serve an actual purpose instead of being in an awkward position like it is right now
drowsy plank
zenith is fine what
swift wharf
people should stop overrating zenith and just see it as a regular weapon
iron python
Who actually fight the Exos Mechs or SCal with it ? I don't find it as enjoyable as the weapons designed to fought the said bosses
swift wharf
and "most powerful swords" are boring.....
drowsy plank
Who actually fight the Exos Mechs or SCal with it ? I don't find it as enjoyable...
nohitters
iron python
Yeah, this is what i mean, it is only decent, not the almighty weapon that it is in vanilla
swift wharf
and?
drowsy plank
good
swift wharf
that's the purpose
drowsy plank
zenith is so fuckin lame tbh 
swift wharf
I crave for the day that people will stop overrating it
(It will never happen this is an eternal punishment for my actions)
iron python
If it happen it will have to come through from the devs themselves, and not thro...
Probably yeah
drowsy plank
like im sorry but it is just a flashy boomerang. like. good aesthetic but in vanilla it's just. click and kill
there is no mechanical depth to it
iron python
like im sorry but it is just a flashy boomerang. like. good aesthetic but in van...
Agree
burnt condor
I think zenith is cool :] I get why it’s in a rough spot in calamity tho
drowsy plank
zenith looks cool in vanilla but it is not an interesting weapon in any capacity
swift wharf
like im sorry but it is just a flashy boomerang. like. good aesthetic but in van...
vanilla players are used to mediocrity so like
drowsy plank
LMAO
drowsy plank
zenith is just melee last prism
swift wharf
on god
small timber
It is just whether the devs want to nerf zenith or not
drowsy plank
obliteration beam on everything
small timber
For your information, the current zenith is untouched, as in it have the exact stat as vanilla, the devs just give the weapon an appropriate progression to its power level
But ya, zenith (retier) suggestion is just not happening anyway do no point discussing it too deep
(especially since devs are not here)
iron python
zenith looks cool in vanilla but it is not an interesting weapon in any capacity
This is why i think Calamity should honor the intention behind the concept of this weapon by making it truly incredible, either by exhuming, or in a recipe to a sword that resembles strongly the Zenith but making it into a fun and more original weapon
drowsy plank
if only nadir wasn't a spear lmfao
drowsy plank
LOL
swift wharf
epic trollge fail 😭😭😭
iron python
if only nadir wasn't a spear lmfao
swift wharf
zenith doesn't even have a tooltip why do people love it religiouslyyyy
burnt condor
there’s really no easy solution like. keep it as is post-moonlord it’s too much change it fundamentally people who like it in vanilla will be so mad buffs and nerfs get messy I think retiering it for calamity’s progression and otherwise not really messing with it was the best choice even if it’s still kinda left out to dry
iron python
To me, Zenith's gameplay is not that much enjoyable, but i like the concept by making an iconic ultimate sword that is incarnated by this one
swift wharf
exoblade already exists,.,.,.,
iron python
exoblade already exists,.,.,.,
Ye but you could argue that Zenith has more legitimacy for being part of the greatest sword so
swift wharf
truly a bee keeper upgrade moment
burnt condor
zenith should be locked like murasama and only be unlocked by playing vanilla /j
swift wharf
iron python
there’s really no easy solution like. keep it as is post-moonlord it’s too much ...
People will be mad, but who cares of the peasant's opinions
iron python
zenith should be locked like murasama and only be unlocked by playing vanilla /j
More suitable idea indeed
burnt condor
I care 
reef fern
oh hey, my suggestion was approved
random pendant
Would a suggestion to make heart of the elements spirits appear even if in vanity slots be a good idea
They currently dont
small timber
already have a similar suggestion posted recently
random pendant
Damn
small timber
ok found it, this one #suggestions-voting message
a bit different, but basically the same effect I think
random pendant
Yea thats it
drowsy plank
@thorny chasm no
god fuck no
it'd sooner be removed
how about true melee dies instead and we just make the swords good on their own :)
instead of having to lump them into a massive dump of support to make them even half viable
thorny chasm
That sounds more fun to me but I'm not sure how many people would go for that
drowsy plank
the devs would
are probably
so i wouldnt worry about it
but yeah fungal symbiote is probably gonna get some kind of look over at some point
thorny chasm
I hope so, is there anything I can do about it not affecting some weapons in the meantime?
small timber
yeah there is plan to rework biome shrines
whether the shrine items themselves will be reworked I don't quite remember, but shrines are planned to be reworked soon™️
thing is I am pretty sure "increase true damage" already exist with things like fire gauntlet line, so the suggestion is just to fix an inconsistency
(but ya, the problem is more with how fungal symbiote is designed as an item, it is not the fault of the suggestion itself)
@thorny chasm wait now that I tested it, are you sure all "increase true melee damage" already affect ALL true melee strike?
because from my test increase true melee damage only affect weapons that are pure true melee or have a mode that is purely true melee
so it is now just fungal symbiote
random pendant
What if certain bosses like yharon or dog would quickly retreat before attacking again of they take too much damage within a certain time window to add more depth to the bosses?
small timber
What if certain bosses like yharon or dog would quickly retreat before attacking...
let me just put a gif of what will happen
replace yharon staying in place with it keep running away and back
random pendant
My reasoning is especially for DOG as a ranger can unload an extreme amount of bullets by running down a platform while DOG slowly catches up if there is one big platform going across the world
small timber
My reasoning is especially for DOG as a ranger can unload an extreme amount of b...
that is kinda your fault for not having sufficient movement
random pendant
I mean if you were chasing someone in a straight line while slowly catching up and they shot at you, would you just take it or would you move just a little bit more tricky to not get shot
random pendant
that is kinda your fault for not having sufficient movement
Just a wee bit of cheese
small timber
unless I misunderstood, you mean that DoG should try to run away if you unload an extreme amount of bullets on it so it don't catch up to you?
random pendant
unless I misunderstood, you mean that DoG should try to run away if you unload a...
Not exactly, just not have it run in a staight line when chasing you
thorny chasm
<@270992069617647618> wait now that I tested it, are you sure all "increase true...
I did a small test just now. The 15% damage increase of the accessory appears to affect true melee strikes but the mushrooms don't appear for the weapon I was testing. I guess that's why the word "various" is in the tooltip.
small timber
I did a small test just now. The 15% damage increase of the accessory appears to...
from my own test (I used terratomere and terrablade), both being projectile sword that have true melee strike, but the true melee damage do not affect the true melee portion of the weapon
what weapon did you used? for reference
since I am not too familiar with true melee options
small timber
Not exactly, just not have it run in a staight line when chasing you
then dog will literally have no threat
because it will always go the long way to chase the player
you have the build option to get more movement/mobility
and you don't really need a lot too, soaring insignia + a good wing alone will do it
and having boss "retreat" if the player dump a lot of dps will simply not gonna happen for balance reason, because you will literally just spec full glass cannon and the bosses will not be able to do anything
tldr it incentivize every player just use a nohitter setup because it is optimal
random pendant
Maybe have it to where it punishes that kind of cheese? Like if it dosent get within a certain range of a person its targeting within a certain time it will dash just enough to close the distance
small timber
Maybe have it to where it punishes that kind of cheese? Like if it dosent get wi...
that used to be the case, and people hated it
small timber
because it just make DoG's movement incredibly inconsistent where it speed up at random
so ya, probably best to keep it as it is rather than implementing a retreat mechanic
(reasoning is more that it is kinda redundant as of now, so don't have to go through the hassle to implement and balance it when the current behaviour is fine)
thorny chasm
what weapon did you used? for reference
I was using the fractured ark and testing on a damage dummy. I saw bigger number when the accessory was on both with and without the parry mechanic. No mushrooms appeared.
random pendant
Plus with the fabled seven billionth rework of the boss maybe its ai will be diffrent enough
small timber
oh right ark, ya ark is a bit weird
this sounds weird but I think ark don't really perform "melee strike", it is just an attack animation that looks like melee strike that deals melee damage
so it don't really work with many true melee things
another example I can think of is maybe, murasama?
ok murasama do work with fungal symbiote, so probably just ark
random pendant
Hey quick question, what is in your opinion the most talked about suggestion in this channel that isnt on the no-no list?
small timber
generally item balances, being potions, weapons or whatever, but ya don't really have ways to keep track of it (if include 'don'ts' then maybe zenith related suggestion), many of them just come on and off and don't really last a long period of time (therefore not really have a 'most talked about' suggestion)
other one is maybe heart of elements related suggestions (whether recipe change, the elements themselves being boring" or whatever)
but ya this is a bit off topic so I will stop here
random pendant
Alr
thorny chasm
weird that ark looks and functions like a true melee weapon, even has the range ignoring the parry, but isn't
grim tusk
Fungal symbiote 
short walrus
weird that ark looks and functions like a true melee weapon, even has the range ...
it still shoots a projectile, and the upgrades all shoot projectiles even when uncharged
grim tusk
^
short walrus
"looks like a true melee but isn't" that's literally every melee weapon what
grim tusk
Also ark is already op enough
Does not need a batshit insane acc to make it even more broken
small timber
tldr kill true melee damage when
just give true melee weapons (slightly) more damage and be done with it
grim tusk
tldr kill true melee damage when
Never happening
Also its more likely that Symbiote gets killed before true meme does if it ever happens
small timber
sorry I mean true melee damage boost (gauntlet, fungal symbiote etc), but ya understandable with things like soaring and rage working differently with true melee now
grim tusk
Pretty sure the only problematic true meme item is symbiote and maybe Warbanner now that its bug has been fixed
cobalt pewter
Symbiote should
idk maybe die yes
small timber
Pretty sure the only problematic true meme item is symbiote and maybe Warbanner ...
also since you are here, ya I just rechecked the celestial tracer iframe not working bug is fixed now, I misremembered the video to be after wulfrum patch (when it is in fact right before)
blazing blade
Suggesting weapon rework is alright,right
eternal escarp
if its not specific to what the rework should be and is backed up with a pretty good reasoning
blazing blade
Like, instead of laying out what the rework could be,you just say that (insert weapon) needs a rework because (insert reason)
Right?
small timber
you probably need a very good reason yeah
blazing blade
Hm,sure I'll try
small timber
what weapon do you want reworked?
blazing blade
Flak kraken
small timber
oh right that
blazing blade
It's very, very,very underwhelming and feels like a magic missle for ranger
small timber
yeah
also regarding the iframe thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pomp6SKU0yo I do have a video recorded and edited to prove the point, though the conclusion is that it is because calamity's cross necklace is basically the same as vanilla version now
the question is whether calamity cross necklace being the same as vanilla version (which is overpowered) is intended
@grim tusk oh right I should probably ping since this channel frequently get drowned ^, it is a matter of whether cross necklace (unnerf) is intended
tldr conclusion:
no iframe items = 40 frames of iframe
cross necklace equipped = doubled = 80 frames (this is supposed to be nerfed by calamity, unless it is unnerfed)
deific amulet and rampart provide the same iframe of +10 and also cross necklace effect, thus they both give 50 frames = 90 frames total
the reason I thought the iframe last way longer is because I am 100% sure calamity nerfed cross necklace before (therefore also deific and rampart which inherited the effect)
small timber
it baffles me that with burden breaker being disabled momentum capacitor somehow get through
golden tulip
i thought this philosophy was stopped because that would imply only boss fights are important enough to be balanced etc
small timber
which is kinda why I always thought sometimes cal devs carry some philosophy a bit too far, there should always be exceptions made
momentum capacitor is one of these exception as it is obvious that it will break a lot of boss fight
golden tulip
is it really that breaking?
i feel like most bosses have an area enrage that activates anyway
small timber
you can just run off and regen all of your hp and run back
+many end game bosses straight up do not have area enrage (astrum deus, moon lord, exo mechs, dog etc)
small timber
ya, you can also keep running and moon lord will have to chain tp
golden tulip
tru
small timber
but ya, with how calamity had to nerf quick back to 4% it is kinda obvious what 500%+ can do, even with a bit of delay
small timber
I thought momentum capacitor is post-Golem oh god it is post-Mech
small timber
@green spindle boss enemies are an outlier I think (maybe except lunatic cultist archers since those are vanilla), as they just recently removed aquatic aberration banners
green spindle
small timber
not sure, the suggestion is still valid I think? just not sure how necessary it is
since cyst itself is not exactly something you need banner to kill, especially that it is idle
gilded scroll
by the point youd even get the banners, youd most likely be able to melt the boss anyways
small timber
yeah that
gilded scroll
at that point, the boss would be in the back of your mind as you just tap the mouse once and kill it
hell, if your summoner, you can just flat out ignore it
fossil finch
Does lacewing have a banner
gilded scroll
if it did, it would be pointless as hell
swift wharf
it doesnt
fossil finch
Then cysts shouldn't either
hollow shell
@exotic quiver A more serious reasoning would be appreciated cuz that would allow us to better understand the problem(s)
cobalt pewter
true
hollow shell
Is it only useful for summoner because it's an actively used item, so you can't swing weapons?
Or is attacking not a concern because just being able to fly away from the boss fast is the main benefit (survivability)?
Is the acceleration too quick, not risky enough?
cobalt pewter
I think there's way too much movement bonus preserved even after letting go of the item
hollow shell
Can it be used to dodge attacks mid-fight or is it just a fleeing option?
cobalt pewter
you can let go of the item and quickly do some things as you retain a good chunk of the mobility
it's not that wild in that sense compared to the actual zoom, but it's still a thing
hollow shell
Which bosses is it good against?
cobalt pewter
the idea is nice but the execution feels closer to burden breaker, and we all know where that thing ended up
hot zephyr
momentum capacitor can be used for a lot of burst momentum
it's insanely good if you don't end up despawning the boss lol
cobalt pewter
worm bosses tend to not despawn that easily I think
might try using it on exo mechs to see how bad it is on them
exotic quiver
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edited my post
small timber
I think the item having a nerf in boss fight can work too
Since an item that boost your ms while hold can still work as an interesting classless option
neat linden
if any people knowing how testing works
if i want to test weapons following the recommended guidelines to make it more accurate am i allowed to use gael's rage ability or not really
cobalt pewter
I think in general just having a cooldown should be good, doesn't particularly needs to be boss gated
small timber
Just ya maybe upwards of 60% movement speed max, not 580%
hollow shell
That reasoning is indeed better thank you
cobalt pewter
if any people knowing how testing works
if i want to test weapons following the ...
you typically don't use rippers on testing, but I think gael changed rage a lot?
hollow shell
Not quite as exhaustive as I was hoping but perhaps I was thinking wishfully
neat linden
it removes the ripper part and replaces it with a barrage/explosion of homing skulls
cobalt pewter
you can try 2 separate sets of testing with and without gael's rage
small timber
I think you probably should use rage on garl yeah
neat linden
okay good
small timber
Since you are guaranteed to have rage
neat linden
cause gael seems really strong for Exos
small timber
Testers might not agree, but personally I think it is more fitting/accurate
median geyser
neat linden
Here's what i have so far, hopefully setup is fine enough
Wasn't looking to suggest anything and mostly test because why not but dang gael seems strong
drowsy plank
what's the expected kill time on exos again?
small timber
Like 5:30 or 6, I kept messing up scal and exo kill time
neat linden
if its about 5:30 then uh
how does even oracle go under that
i don't think it's my setup is it
small timber
But seeing oracle's time, the setup should be fine
neat linden
ataraxia is quite
small timber
I imagine it do bad against thanatos, but I remembered for twins it is fine
Not sure ares though
neat linden
yeah most of the killtime was from thanatos
same deal with burning sky
except burning sky's power against single targets easily makes up for it
small timber
For me I tend to prefer single target weapon should just be balanced arouns single target, since you can easily switch weapon
In this case the kill time is only long because it dont deal well with thanatos which require piercing or aoe, so balancing it to work for thanatos will mean its damage will massively overkill on single target
But ya it is just me, I feel balancing weapons on exo mechs around kill time can sometimes end up having weapons being overperforming
neat linden
around just the killtime true
most fights are just single target or multitarget
Exos is single target (twins), multitarget (thanatos) and a sorta mix of the above (ares)
so balancing a weapon around exos killtime is quite
inaccurate?
small timber
For me personally ya it can be
Since balancing it that way probably will eventually lead to being forced to give bosses weapon resistance
crude geode
doesn't that happen naturally
with certain weapons
(i.e. most piercing weapons on deus lol)
small timber
Ya, though in that case was talking about ataraxia
Which currently from kill time is underperform, but I think if buff it to the point of doing 'ok' against thanatos it will be too good for single target
frosty trellis
what's the expected kill time on exos again?
6 Minutes
SCal being 5
frosty trellis
Gaels is post SCal tbf
drowsy plank
i guess but aren't you intended to use the SCal/Exo drops on the other boss?
drowsy plank
damn
fossil finch
Tbf it's zenith against dr worm
i don't think it's a fair treatment because imo exos should incentive using multiple weapons
small timber
Yeah zenith probably have to like, do thanatos first
Since thanatos early have way less dr
neat linden
as expected mura gets an even longer killtime, not surprised there
novel belfry
I feel like Murasama's kinda underwhelming nowadays
neat linden
it takes 71 centuries to actually hit them reliably
on ares the dps is not bad
thanatos gets killed quite fast but nowhere as fast as dragon rage
although i'll try retesting it but using warbanner now
frosty trellis
i don't think it's a fair treatment because imo exos should incentive using mult...
Which is why I see testing weapons on exos isn't really something I do or agree with besides making sure one weapon doesn't obliterate one of the Mechs, due to the incentive thing for multiple weapons to beat them efficiently
I can't name one class that uses only one weapon for the entire fight
neat linden
although i'll try retesting it but using warbanner now
Wtf it was actually worse
frosty trellis
Jeez
neat linden
I can't name one class that uses only one weapon for the entire fight
Mage post scal perhaps
small timber
Ranger with minigun (dragon breath also can even post nerf) + god slayer slug definitely still works
Minigun used to be comparable to breath, and now that breath is nerfed minigun is probably better
neat linden
dbreath is probably better for single target
i got a better killtime vs scal although the testing was probably a bit eh
although for single target you can just tyranny's end
small timber
Breath get pretty gutted so not too sure about that anymore, since minigun used to deal similar damage to breath on single target just way harder to aim (especially twins)
neat linden
yeah i did use breath post nerfs
neat linden
i got a better killtime vs scal although the testing was probably a bit eh
it was mostly lclick actually
and i believe rclick was the one murdered
anyways, did a second test with ataraxia but this time used the true melee effect a lot more
fossil finch
Extremely useful suggestion
neat linden
results was a killtime a ton better than the 7m one but still ech
small timber
@vernal fractal "balance the bosses properly" is not helpful and too broad, you should lessen the scope and focus on the specific boss you feel are too weak instead, and ideally elaborate with sound reasoning as why you feel they are too weak
And do acknowledge difficulty is subjective
On the other hand you can just make the suggestion about polterghast, since I think people can agree more on polterghast being too weak right now than "just balance all bosses"
frosty trellis
Signus has a rework and a resprite planned iirc
But yeah Sigus and Polter are a fair bit easier than Prov so I agree there
neat linden
also like what on earth is this formatting
title
pause
a ton of spaces - some reasoning
what are the spaces for
main hatch
grim tusk
Signus has a rework and a resprite planned iirc
Both Polt and Signus have
distant gyro
polter has a trend of getting buffed, people hating it or finding it overtuned, nerfed, back to square one
bouncy bolts, heavy tile enrage, and predictive charges have been added and reverted
crude geode
yep
keen drum
honestly i feel some of the main progression bosses should be harder than the others
but then i forget calamity doesnt necessarily have explicitly main progression bosses aside from like
wof, ml, dog and yharon
so that distinction is pointless
alpine oasis
plantera too
if we are assuming scal is final boss that is
you need ectoplasm to craft altar of the accursed
keen drum
oh right
swift wharf
polter will leave the shadow realm once the rework happens tm
drowsy plank
@orchid wing im pretty sure there are already plans for that, or the at least the biome shrines in general
unreal viper
Not sure about this suggestion, tiki and spooky may just be to powerful
It might be better to nerf them rather than buffing fathom swarmer.
cold cosmos
Ok while romen’s sugg is dumb, i do think it’s kinda weird that providence is harder than dog and all his sentinels, poltergeist, and old duke
like genuinely providence is almost harder than yharon
unreal viper
Is this just personal experience or is this the general opinion of the community? Different people find different things hard. Personally I fully agree, but idk what the general experience is.
cold cosmos
yeah that's fair i suppose
but seriously i beat DoG first try most of the time and prov takes like an hour
fossil finch
It might be better to nerf them rather than buffing fathom swarmer.
No, fathom just sucks
Both offensively because all its offensive stats are locked to water arenas and defensively because yes, literally just use tiki available easily right there
it needs a rework imo because even as a tanking set there's not a lot of point to use it when tiki is nicely both offense and defence and spooky is meant to be better than tiki itself because apparently moons are balanced as post golem in vanilla
fossil finch
fathom being bad may hit even harder if they make tiki a whip armor which is an idea for 1.4.4
cold cosmos
they should make fathom a whip armor
steel raptor
I should also point out that leaf wings with tiki armor is +8 defense and a whopping +6 life regen
fathom swarmer also has spooky armor to compete with
but tiki is arguably the best of the three and easiest to obtain
steel raptor
adding a post-plantera pre-golem summoner armor set when there's already 2 other reasonable vanilla options and the Valhalla Knight armor post golem is just not a good idea
spooky has more offensive stats
it's a preference thing
tbh
swift wharf
ok where are you getting 6 life regen from
swift wharf
oh that makes sense
steel raptor
I also forgot, in addition to dryad's blessing you get 5% DR and +5 defense
perfectly balanced wings
small timber
steel raptor
what is ms
the 20% I mean
wait nvm
movement speed
+28% damage compared to Tiki I see
bosses die 21.54% faster at most because 1.58 / 1.30 = 1.2154
wow even if you are submerged the damage increase of fathom swarmer is less than spooky armor
small timber
The thing is tiki wing's stat itself id incredibly outsated when you get tiki armor, even if you consider the set bonus
So ya really not worth
small timber
Spooky is just unbalanced since 1.4 buffed it, calamity's nerfed version used to be 3 minion slot
The difference of spooky vs tiki used to br spooky = more damage, tiki = more slot
Then the buff happened and spooky become straight up better
steel raptor
you aren't considering defensive stats
🍸
steel raptor
more defense is a bit more consistency
like if you have less defense hits are obviously more punishing
swift wharf
you can always invest in accs instead
swift wharf
might as well add another 5% dmg to spooky if you're gonna consider wings
steel raptor
5% damage is not a lot
swift wharf
same applies to tiki
keen drum
No, fathom just sucks
Both offensively because all its offensive stats are locke...
which i really wish they werent
no clue why spooky is so much better
small timber
Normally I tend to value defense a lot yeah (and leaf wing set bonus are good defensive stats), the problem is just leaf wing's flight time and mobility just got nerfed a bit too hard post-1.4 nerf
It is barely better than skyline wing
And post-plant is right at the time where vertical acceleration and flight time become more important with bosses like ravager, fishron, pbg etc (and of course deus and ml)
keen drum
oh that was 2 hours ago lmao
swift wharf
and there is that
small timber
I am thinking whether the sacrificed mobility just end up having you get hit by the attacks that you could had dodged othereise with on tier wing
swift wharf
what actually mattered for the wings got butchered
small timber
Though leaf wing set bonus is indeed very stacked
swift wharf
just don't consider it as a wing 
steel raptor
For fights like golem and cultist you don't need to rely so much on wings
steel raptor
yeah but at least it isn't easier than plant which is how it is in vanilla
swift wharf
and probably cultist too ig
fossil finch
Im pretty sure people wanted spooky to be better anyway
steel raptor
I could include ravager too as well
fossil finch
no clue why spooky is so much better
Because its meant to its the game design its the
steel raptor
since you play the fight out a lot like golem
keen drum
Because its meant to its the game design its the
e
swift wharf
oh yeah spooky is like
fossil finch
(Spooky is meant as a fucking tiki upgrade that's why its better you're meant to get tiki first moons in vanulla are balanced post golem
swift wharf
post golem in vanilla
keen drum
(Spooky is meant as a fucking tiki upgrade that's why its better you're meant to...
obviously spooky is an upgrade but like
swift wharf
truly a vanilla moment
keen drum
both are post plant
small timber
Dryad blessing either give 3 or 1.5 regen per sec, if it is 3 then ya leaf wing set bonus might just worth it (since it also give 13 defense 5% dr)
keen drum
honestly moons should be post golem
fossil finch
Its the same deal with hellstone being balanced for post skeleton and not post evil
swift wharf
I thought it was 6 life regen?
keen drum
~~honestly moons should be post golem~~
vanilla at least
fossil finch
It's not hard to understand
steel raptor
@fossil finch I can see that
small timber
But since vanilla gonna rework tiki anyway so I will hold it for now, and the topic of discussion is fathom swarmer
steel raptor
I meant to reply to your msg whoops
keen drum
It's not hard to understand
it is obviously not hard to understand i just dont see why
tiki becomes instantly useless
small timber
And fathom swarmer just, sucks
steel raptor
you guys valuing 28% damage so much over defensive stats huh
swift wharf
I mean it's 28% more damage
keen drum
my pride prevents me from having defense over 40
steel raptor
if you have +70% damage already it's not as much as you'd think
swift wharf
and for free!!!!
small timber
Personally I tend to value mobility over defense for HM and defense over damage and mobility at post-ML, but thats just me
steel raptor
moons are post plant
keen drum
Simply follow intended progression
me when intended progression is waiting after a boss to do something
guys pirate invasion is post mech!
steel raptor
I value mobility for DoG because if I'm fast enough it becomes easier to dash through laser walls and a higher speed makes it harder for DoG's head to hit me
swift wharf
anyways this isn't going anywhere please buff swarmer
steel raptor
swarmer is there for those maniacs who flood their arenas
and get +30 defense +5 life regen +20% move speed +30% damage
synergize that with aquatic emblem for +50 defense
the biggest issue with water arenas though aside from setting them up is that you fall so slowly
grim tusk
the biggest issue with water arenas though aside from setting them up is that yo...
Flipper potion
frosty trellis
Fall slowly
Flipper doesn't rly help with fallspeed
Need the sus bean for that and even then need to be mounted for that to fall
And not everyone wants to fall that fast
novel belfry
man
ravager despawn range is too small
quiet kernel
The fight is meant to be fought close
So be decently close
Idk I am bad at explaining
short walrus
@mortal gust not a bug and already planned
mortal gust
sweet
short walrus
(remove the suggestion so it doesn't clog posting
soft quest
Personally I tend to value mobility over defense for HM and defense over damage ...
kinda opposite for me. I like defense Pre-hm and less so as the game goes on
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crude geode
small timber
I just hope it is rework instead of remove
since it is still cool sprite and sound effect
small timber
@twilit herald that is a bug and is already known
bug reports don't go under suggestions
small timber
(so ya, can delete the suggestion, it should be fixed next patch I assume)
twilit herald
ok
swift wharf
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golden tulip
werent they er
like
reworked sort of in 1.5
the bullets or something
actually 1.5 is a year ago by now
aaaargh i still think of 1.5 as the new update
small timber
they are sold by gundealer by having the respective gun in your inventory
eg: if you have hydra then gundealer sells shotgun shell, otherwise it don't
so they are basically unlimited
small timber
i am pretty sure this is
oh right, since you mentioned that I should remind you of the storm weaver off timing thing at some point
(but ya since you are here I will not ping)
inner anvil
What is the 'Storm Weaver off timing' thing?
small timber
tldr storm weaver's starts performing ice blast and charge at the sametime as the fight progress if you try to stay inside the ice blast instead of just run away
wait let me grab it
small timber
ya, I think it was because weaver cancel charge half way if it perform ice blast (which delays the execution of the charge), or that it perform charge slower if you are close to it (to make the fight more fair) but end up just performing charge and ice blast at the same time later on
inner anvil
Supposedly Fab did some changes to Storm Weaver next update, I don't remember.
small timber
tbh I do think just having the timing consistent is good enough, and just make storm weaver close in slower if you are within the ice blast range (aka didn't just outrun it)
inner anvil
That help these issues.
eternal escarp
oh right, since you mentioned that I should remind you of the storm weaver off t...
oh right
well yeah i guess well see after next update
upbeat yacht
@alpine oasis hello hi
small timber
ya just about to post it
upbeat yacht
also you can fish for it, but it's fishing
small timber
the intend of these type of npc selling is not really to give you access to the weapon right away (or even convenience), but more to prevent you from getting softlock/annoyance once you progress down the upgrade line
so ya, eventhough the suggestion is specifically to craft aquashard and firestorm cannon (by which at Queen Bee they will be outdated), do acknowledge that you are still supposed to explore
small timber
so ya, eventhough the suggestion is specifically to craft aquashard and firestor...
(was referring to the person making the suggestion but I dont want to double ping)
upbeat yacht
so ya, eventhough the suggestion is specifically to craft aquashard and firestor...
aquashard not that much since it's post-evil2
short walrus
@odd vector why though (improper formatting, no reasoning, how the hell would you balance that)
small timber
you need to specifically beat queen bee not just progress through queen bee yeah
can be missed if you didn't kill queen bee in the playthrough
alpine oasis
that must be it
odd vector
<@793553698428682280> why though (improper formatting, no reasoning, how the hel...
I didn't mean much more, I ment as in like a 15% more
alpine oasis
since I thought queen bee useless until i needed the honeycomb for the plague hive
small timber
adrenaline and rage activating at the same time ALREADY give more damage
alpine oasis
adren already gives insane damage
small timber
because they both scale on a multiplier
alpine oasis
why do you need more
odd vector
adrenaline and rage activating at the same time ALREADY give more damage
I didn't know thats why I asked in help and advice
short walrus
I didn't mean much more, I ment as in like a 15% more
your suggestion cant go through because you formatted it incorrectly
odd vector
But didn't get the right answer
short walrus
title
reasoning (which you lack)
small timber
let me recheck it, I remember adrenaline and rage activating at the same time have special numbers
short walrus
But didn't get the right answer
what is the right answer then?
small timber
but ya, they should never have extra on top of it regardless
adrenaline alone is already busted as fuck, rage is practically a free damage boost as the fight progress
eternal escarp
also, should likely remove the sugg about the boomstick
small timber
we dont need more random bullshit boss melting mechanic
eternal escarp
as you were told above, it is sold by the Armsdealer
inner anvil
let me recheck it, I remember adrenaline and rage activating at the same time ha...
Nah.
That would be horrible.
odd vector
what is the right answer then?
That they already give more since runs on a multiplier
eternal escarp
(i think adren and rage are additive together instead of being a multiplier? dont remember honestly)
rotund tree
yeah they are additive together
small timber
ok it is indeed additive, I probably misremembered the adrenaline upgrade number to be the rage + adrenaline number
but ya, we definitely dont need more damage from either adrenaline or rage when they are already busted
cobalt pewter
i am pretty sure this is
eol one?
eternal escarp
yea
cobalt pewter
I should check later
hm
it does seem like it
can't be sure so I'll remove the sugg for now
small timber
I think ideal is just make the trail clearer to make them more visible that they can still deal damage
since the current problem is the end of the trail is barely visible and fading while still deals gigantic damage
unreal viper
This one's been driving me nuts when I try to compare it to other armors.
small timber
many of its effect are unironically useful, like less debuff damage etc, but ya I need to check in game
I forgot the full extent of the set bonus
I don't really think it is that overwhelming?
it looks complicated but it really isnt
maybe can move the decreased movement speed and flight time to the helm itself, but thats about it I think
since it is a downside that is not stated on the helm itself, and the player can only know after they crafted the entire set
drowsy plank
oh shit the weapon rework is already implemented?
in what capacity tho is what im wondering...
drowsy plank
oh it got hammered
man it's been so long since ive seen that one i forgot what it meant
distant gyro
trollface
distant gyro
the
inner anvil
It's the Deletion Doc.
small timber
well I have no idea how stuffs are colour coded in the doc
distant gyro
damn, memes always spoiling
inner anvil
I would never be spoiling.
small timber
though it is a shame for it to be deleted, still good sprites and sound effect
gilded scroll
resident evil guns? like the elephant killer? being removed? shocker! (sarcasm)
distant gyro
there is more voting to be done
gilded scroll
honestly i dont see much a point to them, as bosses and weapons are getting balanced more, and more conventional weapons work better (not to mention the guns are kinda specific about what they work against best)
small timber
yeah those weapons are pretty much only used in challenge run or to cheese a boss
since using all 5 of them you can deal ~25% max hp damage to any boss, effectively often skipping their "final phase"
cobalt pewter
trollface
another case of potential sprite deletion
but getting rid of the weapons themselves is yes
aside from the split plasma bolts (which are too small to be even seen in the first place), exo mechs' background does well in highlighting their projectiles too I think
maybe just the cursed flames related stuff that's hard to see
(apollo's shots and ares' plasma gun or whatever (
small timber
yeah there are a few more examples, providence, dog, yharon, scal all have their own shaders, exo too
though I dont want to include too many things, as the video is used as an example I think 2 is enough
cobalt pewter
true true
small timber
though I think calclone and pbg is ideal, since they don't really change the shader/background, and basically only make the boss and projectiles visible
dog, scal and yharon etc have significant colour alteration
cobalt pewter
ah yeah
generally I find limiting fights to nighttime is stupid anyways
sure it works on some earlier bosses like eoc which are supposed to be some kinda horror
but the later the game develops the less reason there needs to be for nighttime limitations
(only EoL makes complete sense in vanilla HM)
mechs doesn't need to be in nighttime, and I think that's the only vanilla HM bosses bar EoL that actually has night limitations
keen drum
all it does is stop tequila lol
cobalt pewter
@mighty nymph not only those points mentioned above, there are already a couple mods focused on adding such things
cobalt pewter
ye
golden tulip
jojo?
cobalt pewter
the jojo kind yes
golden tulip
br
mighty nymph
you peoples are mad cos the world is stronger then murasama
cobalt pewter
you don't just say "stands" and assume that it's a position
golden tulip
speaking fax
golden tulip
you don't just say "stands" and assume that it's a position
i mean
mighty nymph
wasnt a joke
golden tulip
inner anvil
We have no reason to add stands. Moving on.
frosty trellis
get triple pinged
cobalt pewter
make based suggestions iirc
frosty trellis
We have no reason to add stands. Moving on.
Understandable, have a nice day
swift wharf
We have no reason to add stands. Moving on.
👨🦽
gilded scroll
lol, if theres already a mod for something, calamity has no reason to add it
like, something like "add personas" wont work because there are plenty of mods that do that (plus references in other mods)
swift wharf
wait there's a persona mod?????????
gilded scroll
pretty sure yeah
but suggestion is what Dio likes to say
"useless, useless, useless"
swift wharf
no that's what minos says
golden tulip
lol, if theres already a mod for something, calamity has no reason to add it
lik...
i mean not entirely
sometimes calamity decides to integrate the thing
small timber
ya, like point blank are out of nowhere
gilded scroll
eh fair, after all, there is a Touhou mod, and plenty of Touhou references in Calamity. but yeah. Stands probably wouldnt fit in tbh
small timber
devs' decision are just separated from suggestions, devs can do whatever they want (if they wish to do so) at whatever scale
golden tulip
i was thinking of npcs selling potions
though i also think thats actually an unpopular decision in caldev
gilded scroll
i mean, potions are already easy to get by blood orbs
swift wharf
potion shops are truly a feature
golden tulip
yea but they didnt do their job well enough 😎
gilded scroll
besides
POTIONS ARE OPTIONAL
golden tulip
the further in progression you are the less they are optional 
swift wharf
yea but they didnt do their job well enough 😎
ON GOD
gilded scroll
imagine needing buffs to beat the mod
though im pretty sure it is possible, just gonna suck
swift wharf
potion shops only exist because blood orbs failed to do their job
and blood orbs exist because fishing sucks
small timber
people who think potion are too grindy use alc npc and so on to skip potion crafting; people who don't think potions are grindy probably are already using alc npc or auto buff
ya 89 votes for a suggestion like that is just sad
swift wharf
the only way that happens is if the devs remove it
cobalt pewter
you forgot the other type of people: people who use journey mode that give the signature look of superiority over those peasants
gilded scroll
im hoping my suggestion can actually be implemented. it would make ranger less of a hassle
swift wharf
it is a good one
gilded scroll
maybe
ill be incentivized to play ranger
swift wharf
just make flasks work with ranged.....
gilded scroll
yeah, but that would just be a lazy fix imo
flasks already work with melee, rogue, and summoner, we cant just make it a blanket fix
frosty trellis
I mean ranger is the most consistent class by far with no weakpoints so idk what you're on
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swift wharf
here it comes
frosty trellis
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Ay!
Time to see this get implemented in 2+ years
swift wharf
yeah!
drowsy plank
love that sugg xpc cause yeah the current on hit effects are ass
small timber
Hoad on hit effect itself are not that strong iirc, it is just it give 50% bonus true melee damage for some reason
neat linden
the stars do a fair bit of damage, especially if all of them hit
small timber
Just like here is 10% for fire gauntlet, here is 20% for ele gauntlet the ultimate warrior accessory
Here is 50 haha
Yeah when abused I imagine it will do pretty well
inner anvil
In my opinion Thorns should be the damage you've taken * I don't know, like 5 or 10.
small timber
I think ideally for reflect/on hit it should just be fixed number since easier to control how powerful they are
inner anvil
That's how other games do it, because your HP != Enemies' HP.
small timber
Thorn ya maybe multiplier since they are never going to be overpowered, even at 20x assuming you have 1k hp it is still just 20000 damage max (and you will be dead by then)
Yeah
Unless thorn is calculated pre-damage mitigation
inner anvil
Though we need to be careful with a multiplier, as that means it's going to be viable through all game.
Looking at early game.
small timber
I think thorn potion itself can be at a lower number since it is still useful for early game where you have nothing
Can lock the more powerful thorn with higger multiplier behind armor.bonus or accessory to make sure they are progression lock (and have investment cost)
inner anvil
Like Warding changing through progression?
small timber
I think thorn probably can stay at like, 2.5x - 4x maybe? And it will be a good option against normal enemy and an ok option against bosses
I dont think scaling with progression are necessarily since it just causes more confusion
small timber
Was referring to like having late game accessory (eg: lets just say amalgam) now have thorn effect on a higher multiplier at like say 12x, therefore you can only get this powerful thorn effect post-DoG, thereby preventing it from being overpowered at pre-hm or even hm where boss and player hp numbers are closer
small timber
But ya since it is just on paper I am just giving random numbers tbh
If thorn dont scale with damage multiplier I think even at 10x it is not that useful, but it is scary if it scale with damage increase
inner anvil
By the way, did we give Brain of Confusion's upgrades the dodge yet?
I don't remember.
small timber
Since in the hypothetical situation where it is actually 12x, assuming yharon charge deal 500 damage to you (you have like 850-900 at that point), it will only be 6000 damage and you are half dead
No I dont think so
inner anvil
Alright, then if the Amalgam had the dodge, maybe we could lower that multiplier a bit.
small timber
Ok I just realised amalgam currently dont deal thorn damage, I thought it had a similar effect before
It is shade rain at 300 damage each, and typeless so cant be boosted by damage increase
inner anvil
Okay, you made me think it had as well.
small timber
But ya for the thorn effect currently on the game, I think all of them (except reflect like evolution) are 1x currently
Which is
small timber
Yeah, though the suggestion didnt specify number just so testers can hsve freedom on adjusting them, since I have no idea how strong they gonna be at a higher multiplier
inner anvil
Yeah.
I don't want it to be like, useless neither like absolutely needed for free damage.
I want it to be like a little boost.
small timber
My guess is at like 5x they are pretty good against pre-HM bosses, probably need 10x for HM and even 20x for post-ML, but all is just guess
inner anvil
And if you get hit a lot then cool effect.
small timber
~~My guess is at like 5x they are pretty good against pre-HM bosses, probably ne...
(That is still assuming it is just small boost as mentioned)
inner anvil
You and I have very different views on multipliers.
small timber
Since even at 1k hp the max thorn damage you can deal is only 10k damage
Oh ya HM numbers are probably a bit bloated yeah, forgot you can regen a lot from regenator or like fairy boots, so potential abuse
I treated it as if the player cant regen, my bad
inner anvil
Anyways, uh, bruh moment.
I don't have problem with this sugg.
And you reminded me that we should make The Amalgam better.
small timber
Yeah tldr is still that thorn are just garbage now and definitely need buff, the exact multiplier and implementation can be decided by devs and testers
Amalgam should be an ok accessory once it get dodge imo
It is just I feel the double potion duration do not really fit on an offensive accessory, and feel a bit slapped on after the rework, it is equivalent to if reaper tooth necklace have reduced debuff damage or something
neat linden
both amalgam and amalgamated brain feel not so great rn
so the dodge should help tons
half imp
about that momentum capacitor- don't disable outright it but make it weaker I'd say
frail mantle
you can just ignore AS when he spawns
he doesn't aggro unless you deal damage to him
small timber
Didnt AS have lower spawn rate preHM?
And ya, you can now just recall + magic conch to quickly get back to sulph sea (even after you trigger the fight)
barren chasm
he doesn't aggro unless you deal damage to him
I use snapclam and seafoam bomb, which are affected by gravity, the amount of time I needed scales and hit AS
small timber
What if put a trigger on AS pre-HM spawn to at least require acid rain tier 1 to be completed (and HM it spawn regardless)
That way if the player have no intention to start it they will not encounter it
half imp
about that momentum capacitor- don't disable outright it but make it weaker I'd ...
forcing to swap off another tool for extra movement speed in a fight adds more dynamic between survival and damage, but it's obviously way too good rn
frail mantle
@zealous nimbus boss suggestions are disallowed
upbeat yacht
providence is sort of like a moth
providence will be renamed to supreme mothron in 2026
unborn oriole
Sunthon
hollow shell
That was never in-game iirc
keen zodiac
hm
umbral dew
hmm today i will make a suggestion that specifically says do not suggest in the dos and donts doc
drowsy plank
tbh a miniboss post dog similar to mothron to drop darksun essences would probably be a possibility once distortion exists but that is so far off it would probably be a dont anyway for multiple reasons
undone cedar
Old Mothron boss lets gooo
unreal viper
Just re add old bumblebirb if you wanna refight mothron.
I wouldn’t be opposed to more variation. If you have to fight the solar ecilpse again, although a super mothron wouldn’t be that exciting.
hollow shell
Well yeah we're solving the issue by making it so you don't have to fight the solar eclipse again
unreal viper
Nice.
swift wharf
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Bleach_Ball @barren chasm
Isn't the suggestion also a don't since it goes against non linearity?
crude geode
Yes
swift wharf
Now let's talk about why Sirenproof earmuffs aren't prehm
hollow shell
Oh yeah lol that item does indeed exist
orchid wing
Well yeah we're solving the issue by making it so you *don't* have to fight the ...
May u elaborate? I dont know much abt future update plans for the seasonal moon/solar eclipse refights
hollow shell
A whole new DoG-themed biome/subworld is going to be added which is where you will obtain the equivalents of Nightmare Fuel, Endothermic Energy, and Darksun Fragments
The Holiday Moons and Solar Eclipse will no longer be buffed or have any special content post-DoG
(this is a long ways out but it is in our definite plans)
crude geode
Now let's talk about why Sirenproof earmuffs aren't prehm
#suggestions-voting message patience
drowsy plank
@main bear wrong format, future content sugg, and already in the devs plans just be patient
main bear
<@554676106544807958> wrong format, future content sugg, and already in the devs...
i had to make sure they know what i want
main bear
😱
drowsy plank
@inland saddle do you know that the bot is down right now?
hollow shell
@fossil robin I have a feeling, just a little feeling,
that your opinion of Night Providence is a little skewed by the fact that you had your submissions rejected in Art
drowsy plank
oh god nighttime profaned guardians...
hollow shell
The reason why the Night Guardian sprites got rejected is because they literally do not show up in the Night Prov fight
hot zephyr
<@708368816115023872> I have a feeling, just a little feeling,
that your opinion...
a bit of an understatement 
drowsy plank
this sugg sucks
fossil robin
