suggestions-discussion

[drowsy plank]

isnt this a tmod issue that is getting fixed anyway

[worthy lintel]

vanilla managed to fix it in a way but also didnt fix it

then ozz asked in the tml server and never got an answer

the devs are still there wondering how to fix a legitimately crippling issue

yharon's debuff is like 120 damage total if hit by contact even through rams

[umbral dew]

god that debuff shit is so damn annoying against plaguebringer goliath and calclone

[frosty trellis]

GSI and Dragon Fire are the worst offenders by far

[umbral dew]

a bandaid solution could be to have laudanum give you immunity to those effects

[hollow shell]

Better yet, make the dash shields themselves give immunity to them

[frosty trellis]

Yes please give Asgardian Aegis immunity to dragonfire so Void Sash line can be even more useless

[worthy lintel]

void sash 🤢

weakling dodge vs alpha male well-timed ram

[crude geode]

ik no bosses are designed with rod, but are any designed with ram?

[half sage]

yea ramming his dashes and getting dragonfire'd is annoying

can cope with stem cells at least

[umbral dew]

thats actualy a pretty good solution until its fixed

[drowsy plank]

isnt one of the purposes of asguardian aegis the immunity to GSI it now gives

which is post-DoG

[frosty trellis]

That's post DoG

[drowsy plank]

yes

[frosty trellis]

And that doesn't help with Yharon

[drowsy plank]

so if you put it on the pre-DoG shields

like

what's the point

also yeah i think someone else pointed out just more general dragonfire immunities would be nice

[fossil finch]

an alternative solution is removing contact damage debuffs

anyways the idea is making rams make you immune to all debuffs, only when you ram

so asgardian giving you gsi gone is sitll good

Calamity's Vanities

[bright crag]

Calamity's Vanities doesn't have that

[fossil finch]

it does

it literally does

the sprite of repair units was given as a pet to calval long before they were introduced, infact

oh you mean town pet

... why would it be a town pet nvm

[cobalt pewter]

dog and yharon are significantly easier with ram, but I don't know if they're designed with rams in particular

[worthy lintel]

me when the tester doesnt use their privilege of directly asking in dev

🫦

[hot zephyr]

equality

[worthy lintel]

equality means no freedom

freedom means no equality

[hot zephyr]

i'm going to jettison you out of an airlock

[worthy lintel]

😭

jkjk

[bright crag]

I gave an explanation on it in the suggestion

Let's see how this goes

[obtuse bolt]

As a fan of everything Draedon related, I love this #suggestions-posting message

[bright crag]

Town pets could also help with Pylons
I feel like Vanilla + Calamity has so little NPCs to cover so many Pylons

[cobalt pewter]

I'm so deep in suggestions hole I'm making a note for myself now, might suggest 2 of these once I can

(also I am forgetful as fuck now)

[cobalt pewter]

more cal town pets could be nice

[bright crag]

Iban has an idea for a post-DoG one

[fossil finch]

to be fair most of those pylons are in places nobody will want to live in
And the crags one straight up doesn't have npc requirement outside of selling

[bright crag]

These cuties

[bright crag]

Pretty much, yeah
But for someone trying to get all Pylons to work, it can be kind of a hassle

Some Pylons will have the bare minimum (2 NPCs)

[fossil finch]

the solution is making all calamity pylons require no npcs,..

[bright crag]

That's pretty lame

[fossil finch]

only the ss one is for a place anyone would want to live in though

[drowsy plank]

you call that a sugg doc? mine is like 6 pages long on google docs

[cobalt pewter]

we should make clam pets

clamity

[bright crag]

I mean, kinda...?
I can imagine the Bandit loving the Sulphurous Sea

[cobalt pewter]

it's not, it's just a quick note for myself

I only make the title there

[drowsy plank]

yeah i realize

[bright crag]

The local fauna has high weapon potential

[drowsy plank]

i was being ironic anyway i hate the fact mine is so long lmao

[cobalt pewter]

god

[fossil finch]

i think bandit values her life more than high weapon potential

[bright crag]

I mean, Hallow is probably more dangerous than the Sulphurous Sea

Unless you like seawater

[fossil finch]

hallow is pure shake my head crying

[crude geode]

isn't the point of pylons that you have to work with your npcs to get them

AND use them

[fossil finch]

theres the obvious limitation on that calamity doesnt have 30 npcs

[crude geode]

hence

[fossil finch]

town pets only lessen the problem

they dont solve it
Byeah

[bright crag]

Well, do you have an NPC idea

[fossil finch]

no because i stand by calamity pylons not requiring npcs being better

[bright crag]

Calamity just adds few NPCs and many Pylons
Which is fine

[cerulean rose]

hireable guards to fill out npc slots and to make dangerous biomes livable

[bright crag]

It would be nice to have at least some NPCs interacting with the Calamity biomes

Like Amidias loving the Sunken Sea

[fossil finch]

and npcs come with a lot of work, specially now that they dont want to stick with shop npcs

also im lagging behind cuz im doing stuff rn so

[bright crag]

Not to mention Cal's philosophy of having only the necessary amount of NPCs

[fossil finch]

anyways npcs having their interaction with calamity biomes is definitely nice but again

all calamity pylons could be made to work without npc interaction at all and i think itd work

[cerulean rose]

doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of a pylon

might as well just make it a conch

[bright crag]

^

[fossil finch]

like imagine crags pylon being a natural spawn thing and its activated some time in progression or you activate it manually by doing a "quest" where you search an item or something

the purpose of a pylon is being a teleport

[bright crag]

The purpose of a Pylon is being a village tp

[fossil finch]

making it require npcs is just the way they made them work

[bright crag]

Having no village is just

[fossil finch]

in crags you already need no village

[crude geode]

^

[cerulean rose]

it'd fit the sunken sea

[fossil finch]

also i dont want to be forced to making a village in every fucking biome for my teleport there ngl

whether or not itd fit the sunken sea depends on whatever they do to it imo

not really something i'll consider rn

[bright crag]

Yeah, but that's understandable
Because, for one, getting happiness there is simply too much of a hassle
Second, it's literally hell
And, in addition to that second topic, it's one of the most important locations to access (because not many Pylons can cover that area of the map)

[fossil finch]

also "make it a conch then" feels like a pit tbh
pylons are nicer and they are pretty and they complement builds

maybe i dont want a village but i do want nice builds

conchs are also boring and vanilla added only two simply to get the edges of the map

imagine having a fuckin' astral conch

)ocean conch already takes you to sulph sea

Really just
none of the npcs would really like being on any of calamity's biomes except maybe sunken sea for very obvious reasons, so making towns there seems kinda stupid to me and there's not really much you can do about that

)aside adding town pets lol

as is the npcs simply don't fit 4 more pylons (on practice they do, but it'll be a lot of 2 npc "towns") and i feel making them just require no npc input at all would be better? make them spawn on worldgen structures and have to be activated or something
You could say this goes against "the point" of pylons but being real the point of pylons is replacing teleports by being the reward of a half assed mechanic that simply doesn't work very well
"why not a conch" i'd rather not have to carry an extra item around somewhere

[cerulean rose]

far enough, living world does a similar thing to what you suggested so it's not unprecedented

reply ping

[fossil finch]

hell i feel itd be cooler if all pylons worked like that
But that'd be for a game bigger than terraria and more exploration based probably

[bright crag]

If the Calamity Pylons were implemented in an interesting way, I'd be fine with it
Though it would still be weird to have essentially a ghost town there

[cerulean rose]

fits the crags then at least

[fossil finch]

being honest

these worldgen structures could be settlements for both crags and ss

if amidias could survive it's possible someone else did for ss

for crags uhhhhh they're all dead but the pylon works anyway

also having a separate npc settlement thats not yours would be so awesome

it would be so cool

[cerulean rose]

discoverable settlements that are guaranteed structures would be cool

might make it worth going to the crags in earlygame depending on whats there

[bright crag]

Sunken Sea Pylon could be the same

Sulphurous Pylon spawns in the world, and requires Sulphurous Scales to be "fixed"

Astral Pylon spawns in a split shard of the Astral Monolith, and needs to be found

Brimstone Crags Pylon spawns in the world, but is shattered - beating Brimmy sends a shockwave of magic that restores it

[fossil finch]

yea

something like that works i feel

also astral pylon is an awesome second underground pylon

[crude geode]

what I'm getting from this is that biome reworks would be cool

[fossil finch]

its all connected tobyfox music video

[cerulean rose]

didn't the sunken sea rework involve ruins being spread around it?

[fossil finch]

i run a doc for that so idk why you're surprised

it does

either it or the desert directly above it

we'll see i guess

[cerulean rose]

ah, well if it is in the SS it'd be a good place for the pylon

[fossil finch]

the graveyards are confirmed and iban did post those scourge skeleton teasers

[cerulean rose]

if natural spawns are considered at least

[bright crag]

Not as far as we know
But there will be a new structure in the surface, with lore connections to it

[fossil finch]

+mauriced

[lofty hedge]

All I remember seeing in the doc was that there will be “remnants” of the sea kingdom

So that could be anything

Structures (although that was just said to not be the case, at least right now), corpses of the kingdoms’ inhabitants, weapons that were used in the war, etc.

[hot zephyr]

🐟

[bright crag]

What do you all think of this one

[novel belfry]

Based

honestly, I think the Astral Infection needs more cool stuff

it's already pretty rad

[hot zephyr]

in the future™️

[novel belfry]

pls make it post-ml

[hot zephyr]

no

[novel belfry]

as weird as that is

[cobalt pewter]

isn't the meteor's drop position determined when it actually dropped?

not sure how a structure would help

[hot zephyr]

overcomplicated solution to a simple problem
the astral meteor just needs better fall behavior

[cobalt pewter]

just make them ignore platforms and choose a relative y location

this is way too complicated for anything to be done

[bright crag]

A bullseye structure can help because it's more easily linked to other worldgen features, no?

Avoiding inadequate spawn locations would be done in worldgen, prior to the meteor's arrival

And there's also the skybridge part

[hollow shell]

Why make a new object with smart placement behavior so the meteor can fall on it
instead of giving the meteor itself that same smart behavior?

[bright crag]

Well, if that's just as doable, great
I'll suggest that instead

[hollow shell]

Alright lol

[bright crag]

I simply thought meteor spawn conditions were harder to manipulate

And honestly it would be good to have some idea of where it will fall, in pre-HM

[fossil finch]

What if you just make the beacon spawn on worldgen lol

And the meteor just spawns besides it lol

[hollow shell]

hrm

[cobalt pewter]

what if there's no beacon at all

[hollow shell]

:(

[fossil finch]

Another thing is that marking technically makes it more right to replace worldgen there without messing with players
It's not calamity's fault you build there, you were warneed

[sleek turret]

i mean would you remember where that idea of where it would fall be present in your playthrough?

i think you're just gonna remember that astral biome exists because of the message that appears tbh

[hollow shell]

What negative would there be to forget?
The point is that you see it when you're near it

[bright crag]

That moment when an Astral Meteor fell just outside the Snow Pylon

[hollow shell]

So you don't put important stuff near it

[bright crag]

^

[fossil finch]

Main reason i support it being marked is for unique worldgen ngl

Idk what your plans for astral ug are but without unique worldgen it'll feel kinda lamer,.,.

[bright crag]

I support it being marked for skybridge QoL, base building, just generally having an idea of where it'll land
As well as better spawns

Now that I think about it, how interesting would it be if the structure gave you subtle hints at what's to come
Enchanted Nightcrawlers spawn rarely at night there, Fallen Stars are more common...

[fossil finch]

this is why it should be the beacon

[bright crag]

As if that structure had an ethereal lure, bringing celestial objects closer

[fossil finch]

Beacons are literally.,.,

[cobalt pewter]

beacon deez nuts

[swift wharf]

people should just stop making world bridges in prehm fr

[fossil finch]

I have the headcanon beacon is a pre astral structure used to interact with deus
When deus fell, he was called by the beacon so his body fell there too which is why the meteor is so close
It required human hearts as sacrifices but cuz it got infected, it now requires atlas hearts

[hot zephyr]

making that world bridge for all zero bosses or content that require it

[cobalt pewter]

TRUE

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[sleek turret]

TRUE

[crude geode]

TRUE

[swift wharf]

[bright crag]

So true

So, in conclusion...
Do I keep it this way, do I change it to be "better Infection spawns", do I just remove it

[sleek turret]

I think better infection spawns is the better idea

[unborn oriole]

Based suggestion

[sand ermine]

frame skip

[small timber]

tbh with how I think it do still give DR I think it getting reset is just normal

yes it feels shitty, but it do provide an actual benefit

[grim tusk]

@cobalt pewter @neat linden @swift wharf @crude geode ask and y'all shall receive (these values are not final, might get nerfed or buffed)
(this weapon is still kinda bad but not the atrocious shit it used to be since I considered you can just leave em there and have em chunk the boss, also highly recommend using HYBRID rogue with it)

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

the suggestion currently feels to me like "if a boss attack deal less than 10 damage it should not proc dodge effect because it feels really shitty for an attack that dont deal damage to proc dodge"

[small timber]

wait what was the original damage?

[grim tusk]

85

[small timber]

wow it was that bad huh

[crude geode]

yes

[swift wharf]

true melee moment

[crude geode]

what

[distant gyro]

true rogue

[swift wharf]

go on

[distant gyro]

(melee)

[swift wharf]

look at the vanilla changes page for the beam sword

[neat linden]

when a weapon is so bad you have to x5 its damage

[cobalt pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-boom-gif-23998985

I am clinically insane

(thankies)

[cobalt pewter]

I'm not talking just getting hit with full charge in general

it's during just a few frames after getting it to full

[small timber]

it still give DR even if you are hit at the exact frame you get it right?

to me these feels more of a principle thing, and less because of whether it feels good or bad

[swift wharf]

remember when adrenaline didn't when it's full

didn't reset*

[small timber]

and example is this ^, yeah it feels extremely shitty for dodge to prevent an irrelevant hit, but I dont think there should be exception

it should always be consistent

if you get hit when the bar is full (even at the exact frame), you still get hit, therefore it should still get reset
you at least still get the compensation of the DR

if it didn't reset, if you are hit at that exact frame, you basically have the DR for 2 hits (potentially), and the DR is actually quite strong to the point of almost equivalent to dodging a hit (with core of blood god + adrenaline DR, a contact straight up deal 0 damage)

[swift wharf]

remove the dr

[small timber]

then it will feel ultra shitty if you get hit after the bar is full

[swift wharf]

darn it

[small timber]

but ya, the tldr is just the dr is not really the problem, I just think getting hit at the exact frame when bar is full = didn't reset don't have to be a special case

I do know it feels extremely shitty (and I do agree), but ya, I think consistency is more important

[distant gyro]

where's the point where you stop feeling shit when you lose adrenaline

i feel like this can keep just pushing on because that's kinda the point

would rather keep it simple

to make players not feel bad about losing adrenaline is to make adrenaline not lost at all which is a lmao moment

adding a grace period would just mean you feel shit about getting close to the grace period rather than getting close to using it, there's no difference

[small timber]

yeah your adrenaline basically charge at 29 seconds instead of 30

[distant gyro]

it's a necessary evil

[small timber]

I didnt thought about it that way, but now you said it the that is basically the result of the suggestion

[hollow shell]

@cobalt pewter You should acknowledge the DR in your suggestion

as that is the current compensation

[crude geode]

also

[hollow shell]

(I do personally disagree with this suggestion because of XP's consistency argument
The entire time Adren is charging up, it'll go away when you get hit
The entire time Adren is sitting fully charged, it'll go away when you get hit
So to add a really brief window after it charges where it doesn't go away when you get hit,
would just feel.. inconsistent, more likely to confuse players either in practice or while reading up on it
a weirdly specific condition like a "Can't play Fish Jenga on a Wednesday" law in some local town)

((It'll probably still lead to players getting frustrated cuz yeah like Altix said, there's always going to be a boundary of "just missed it"
And could even lead to people fishing to get hit during that really brief window, and very often failing))

[distant gyro]

it also has "communication" issues

for lack of better terms

[hollow shell]

byeah it'll be another hidden mechanic

[distant gyro]

if you get hit by a frame off the grace period

[crude geode]

it's hard to give feedback to the player about this mechanic without just telling them?

[distant gyro]

you can't really distinguish that because a frame is 1/60th of a second

[hollow shell]

that'd just be unhelpfully specific to try and explain in in-game Adrenaline schpiels

[distant gyro]

a natural response by then would've been "damn i should've been saved by the grace period"

[hollow idol]

exactly why I don't like these suggs

[hollow shell]

Yeah
Same kind of emotion as "C'mon, what was that hitbox??"

[distant gyro]

no winning in this moment

[crude geode]

this suggestion is indeed a slippery slope

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[lethal prism]

Hi Goku

[median geyser]

🗿

This is pretty stupid but could you add a guide voodoo doll that’s like a pet? Like a small guide that follows you around

[short walrus]

calamity's vanities:

[median geyser]

My reasoning is outside of bosses there are not a lot of easy pets to get pre hardmode

[short walrus]

calamity's vanities:

(go suggest there, they deal more on the pets side

[drowsy plank]

honestly the whole adren discussion sounds like it could pretty easily be fixed by something like xpc's sugg about redefining the defensive capabilities of adren

[fleet coral]

Unrelated to previous posts but what if having and not using adrenaline gave a buff to damage

One good enough that hardcore no hitters would be able to use that skill for better damage

But not so good it outshines adrenaline

It would be cool if you were good enough

[hot zephyr]

what's the point

also L i'm going to make it so not taking damage in a fight instantly kills you

[hollow shell]

So... the same purpose as normal Adrenaline

[fleet coral]

No it’s something you don’t activate

It’s a passive buff that does overall more damage than adrenaline if you survive for long enough

Like it’s meant for people who are risky or good enough to dodge for a while at full adrenaline

[safe oasis]

more damage is definitely exactly what adrenaline needs

[fleet coral]

It’s meant to be an other option for adrenaline like when you reach max adrenaline

You get like 30 percent damage increase

Or whatever would be balanced

There’s definitely flaws with balancing

[fossil finch]

me after overcomplicating a system for legitimately no fucking reason

[drowsy plank]

how about. we just. do what xpc suggested AND NERF adrenaline's damage

[umbral dew]

buff it by 20% when defeating astram aureus instead

[ashen warren]

before i post a suggestion do abyssal crates need a shadow key like obsidian lock crates

[ruby plover]

they do not

[ashen warren]

do you need any post skeletron things to get em or

i dont remember

[drowsy plank]

you need to defeat skeletron to get post-skeletron drops so uh

[ashen warren]

gotchu

[drowsy plank]

abyss crates probably have the post progression locks on drops in the whole game lol

[ashen warren]

i was thinking it would be cool to have them locked like obsidian lock crates

it also still gives the player reason to just look for or craft the shadow key

instead of fishing right away

[fleet coral]

who else remembers when rage had that heart attack thing

when it was full

[drowsy plank]

i guess it could help a bit with the item bloat

[fleet coral]

and when rage and adrenaline were debuffs

[drowsy plank]

lol

[fleet coral]

am I remembering that correctly

wasnt that how it worked

[ruby plover]

adrenaline was always just an "adrenaline mode" damage buff, iirc

but yes, rage had a buff that was randomly given to you when your bar was full

[grim tusk]

@fluid panther install Fargo’s Mutant and use the Renewals

They are literally what you want

And highly recommend that mod

(Altho they cannot purify astral, that one you’ll need to do manually)

[swift wharf]

stress?

[frosty trellis]

I suggested something similer when to just have adren be weaker at the start then get back to it's normal scaling endgame

[crude geode]

Getting adrenaline suggs through voting is an impossible task

[frosty trellis]

Yeah unfortunately

[drowsy plank]

[random pasture]

Honestly making the aureas minions killable would probably just end up being like the slime king jewel. Sure you could kill them but in order for them to still be dangerous it would probably just be easier to deal with them the same way you already are now

Namely timing shield bashes

I do think the boss needs some ai touch ups though

[frosty trellis]

@eternal escarp Whenever you get time, Deathwind, Alluvison, Phangasm and Ultima please

[frosty trellis]

Also have a look at this while you're at it please Blast

[grim tusk]

I have news: It will get buffed but not this much (its ass on guardians but obliterates Folly and Providence with that amount)

[drowsy plank]

makes sense but also guardians is a dogshit fight rn anyway so i dont think anyone is too worried about that

like i think almost everything is ass on guardians rn with how the fight works so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal escarp]

already have them marked

[small timber]

also just for additional information, a bunch of bows are indeed still really funny with luminite and vanquisher arrow

sec let me just yoink it

[frosty trellis]

Yoinks my killtimes

[grave zinc]

@versed olive - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Hold right click to open grab bags quickly]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Revamp the Elementals involved in Heart of the Elements.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@rotund tree - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Providence check for Underworld before Hallow when spawned]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Slime God, Astrum Areus, and Ravager Actually Jump Instead of Fly]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@oblique geyser - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Move Elysian Tracers to post-Sentinels]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@open meadow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Show what new items you can craft once a new Schematic has been deciphered]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework or remove the classless 'Resident Evil' Guns]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@reef fern - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow the Steampunker to sell solution of the opposite world evil when in a graveyard.]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

the day

[oblique geyser]

now we just gotta hope for elysian tracers retier to be approved

[sweet thistle]

[drowsy plank]

disappointed my pirate drops post-Plant didnt get it, but i think the RE guns rework is much more important

[cobalt pewter]

wait is that it for the day

[drowsy plank]

it's 20% and time sectioned so

yeah

[oblique geyser]

were there only 30 suggs or smth

[half sage]

[frosty trellis]

Would actually make them useful if they were retiered

[oblique geyser]

They're useful for Yharon and only yharon

Which is why I suggested that

[frosty trellis]

Wait huh, my suggestion about the indication that the abyss exists has the ✅ On it but didn't get enough votes? Huh?

[frosty trellis]

Even then Silva wings are better most of the time due to vertical movement being more prominent in yharon than horizontal

Having Elysian Tracers for DoG would actually be great since of the horizontal movement boosts while tap flying or running

[small timber]

time to bring out that txt about how tracer has better horizontal in air movement that helps with spacing

but ya I feel both silva and elysian tracer is definitely viable for yharon now

the more I fight yharon the more I like elysian tracer over silva wing, silva wing is just overkill

[frosty trellis]

I actually like less horizontal movement while fighting Yharon especially during the bullet hells to get better precise movement to dodge the flare dust

[small timber]

it has too much flight time that you wouldn't spend, and it has too much vertical speed that you can't use because flying as far away as possible make yharon's bullet hell undodgeable and unpredictable; you want to stay at mid-range

[frosty trellis]

I don't agree with that at all

[small timber]

but ya, that is just my habit, I tend to go horizontal much more than vertical in yharon

[frosty trellis]

With the fact at far distances it's more spread out I can find it easier to dodge at times, especially below 11%

[thorn dock]

Ah damn.. 150⭐ were not enough for buff mutated truffle

[thorn dock]

I think that pirate sugg is/was great

[small timber]

dont know if this counts as balance suggestion, but ya I will just drop them here

every single post-DoG rogue weapon I tested were way overperforming on yharon

(I just realise I missed dps instability factor for some of the weapons in defensive and I closed tmod, but ya dps and killtime are intact)

especially god's paranoia getting saros' possession kind of number

[small timber]

@grim tusk (sorry for ping while offline, since you are the dedicated rogue tester) ^

[umbral dew]

i feel like this suggestion is based on the meac demo

[ruby plover]

turning true melee into stealth rogue
fine outside of calamity, but inside of calamity... nah

plus, thats a HUGE scope, seems like a high-effort sug to me

@hollow shell rework true melee suggestion number (I don't know anymore)

[small timber]

not sure if that count as a grand scale rework, but ya frost legion do sucks a lot right now

(it kinda is just forgotten)

[distant gyro]

not necessarily a grand scale rework

however i think most unanimously agreed that frost legion is beyond saving as an event and nothing should be done to it

[crude geode]

yeah fr

also it doesn't help that it's like the 10th snow event/area

[distant gyro]

all fighter ai enemies and the only drops are snow blocks and i guess santa is there

[copper coyote]

is a bloodworm terrarium planned in future updates?

[ruby plover]

aww that'd be cute

[small timber]

does truffle worm have it?

[copper coyote]

yes

any vanilla worm has its own terrarium

[cobalt pewter]

????

frost moon is Christmas, not snow

please don't throw snow under the bus, this place has a severe lack of content compared to desert

[crude geode]

same difference

[cobalt pewter]

desert has gss post plant, what does snow have? fuckin nothing

(admittedly you can also axe gss but still)

[crude geode]

I'm talking themed weapons

overall

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[small timber]

@rustic bobcat ping testers instead

^

it is how balance suggestions works now

[rustic bobcat]

Make that as a joke
I will ping one if I made a real suggestion

Made*

[short walrus]

Rather Cringe

Just delete it so you don't get spam pinged

[gray nebula]

calamity mod having to fix every problem

at this point ask for a config for lights and shadows to be activatable in cal as well

this is so calamity unrelated like

have that be a sep mod

[small timber]

I think that one is for like DoG' text when you get hit by the head etc, but ya

there really is not that many examples

(and I do think the suggestion is largely unnecessary since like, you are not really supposed to read in the middle of a boss fight)

[ruby plover]

There’s hardly any cases where the chat overloads with text

Only examples I can think of is WoF

[small timber]

oh, I mistaken even, it is literally the text size in the chat box

[ruby plover]

But you have plenty of time to read that

[small timber]

that really is a "calamity please add luiafk moment"

[gray nebula]

they said text in chat

fail

just make a separate mod for that

[small timber]

yeah I just assumed that it is the on-screen text (instead of the chat box) since that one is calamity related

but ya this one really is a separate mod kind of suggestions

[gray nebula]

(not even)

its all just "combat text"

which is the exact same thing as... damage numbers

[swift wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699359022364491868/1020229967394643988/6zu5g1I.png btw how is this relevant to the suggestion

fr

[drowsy plank]

@rustic bobcat testing suggestions should be done in here by pinging a tester and asking about the weapon

but also like

storm spear?? really?

[inner anvil]

He has been told already.

[drowsy plank]

oh im blind

sorry

[small timber]

and he also said he made it "as a joke"

classic

[drowsy plank]

love that

that's probably how i managed the gloss over the entire convo lmao

it is very funny that vanilla added a bunch of electricity themed weapons to the desert which somehow coincidentally ended up being thematically appropriate when you consider the sunken sea's themeing

[solemn dust]

@viral carbon As someone who is doing true melee, I believe that true melee is pretty balanced, not too weak and not too OP.
When it comes to your "charging for a big strike" mechanic, Rogue stealth strikes can accomplish this just fine. Also the point of true melee is to be close to deal a ton of damage, a lot of weapons can achieve this perfectly fine. Though your suggestion is pretty fine on paper, i feel like it will cause a lot of hassle for the devs, and will remove the challenge of true melee. (Plus Melee and true melee damage bonuses stack, so getting close makes you deal a truckload of damage).

[crude geode]

What a weird suggestion

[gray nebula]

btw how is that true

lmaoooo

10 minutes devside?? what

[frail mantle]

[distant gyro]

fr

[cobalt pewter]

huge clueless moment

[small timber]

:I think it will truly benefit calamity by adding 10 more post-scal bosses

it is a really good suggestions I think imo iirc

[drowsy plank]

of course i believe you 100% this is a good suggestion

[small timber]

people dont agree with me just have bad opinion I think imo iirc maybe

[drowsy plank]

of course, of course

on a more serious note, the lab seeker sugg is a cool idea

[gray nebula]

actually no

its way more unpractical

because youd have to scan the world for the thing

or make it a tile entity

[drowsy plank]

that's why i said a cool idea, had no idea how actually practical it would be lol

sounds like it isnt very

[crude geode]

What sugg was this?

[eternal escarp]

#suggestions-posting message

[crude geode]

Oh no I meant the sugg the person originally made

[small timber]

guessing on this it probably is like... add voice acting to scal/draedon suggestion?

cant be sure since I obviously can't see the suggestion itself

ya seems like it

[steel raptor]

Is fishing for HM ore that's supposed to be locked by mech bosses an intended progression skip? You can get crates containing mythril, orichalcum, adamantite, and titanium without defeating any mechanical bosses

[cobalt pewter]

it's a known bug

[drowsy plank]

i dont think there's anything fundamentally wrong with VAs but the fact it would be on a boss with a song that already has lyrics is... not great. plus it is just. so easy to get wrong and ruin that i dont think it'd be worth it anyway

[steel raptor]

not every boss needs to have it

the boss I could see it fit best is SCal

she already has that laugh SFX

[spring saffron]

Draedon

[steel raptor]

oh yeah draedon also laughs lmao

how would his voice sound like though

[drowsy plank]

yeah, i think they meant bosses with dialogue in the chat anyway but there's just. way too many ways it could be fucked up, plus im p sure scal's VA from the dokuro videos DID try to VA another boss in another mod and it uh. was fine i guess??

[steel raptor]

he's all mechanical

how do you voice DoG

[spring saffron]

Dog probably sounds serpentine

I have no idea how to spell his last name but gianni m voiced draedon at the end of the t3 boss rush video

[small timber]

the thing is those 'voice acting' are more of an ambient voice to make the fight more immersive

but not literal "voice acting", where the boss just speaks

things like draedon are just creepy laugh as the fight progress instead of literal voice acting of the dialogue it speaks

(and I think the current type of "ambient voices" fits terraria more)

[spring saffron]

Tfw yharim doesn't yell "die" every attack like minos prime

[thorn dock]

how to get it fixed? should I post somewhere else?

[hollow shell]

https://youtu.be/CfTsvWTtoiQ
(fight starts at 30 seconds)

[thorn dock]

I think they never hit high stars .. always around 100 maybe

def an inconsistency and pretty annoying beeing revived at 50% wearing omega with no health regen but not having vexation effects taking place

otherwise if this doesnt fall under bug I will just try and reposting it

[cobalt pewter]

there's a lot of issues with scripted voice acting (like talk and stuff)

you're already hearing one of the examples when fighting Yharon

even if it was canon at one point, it'd be ass to keep these lines updated

[solemn dust]

What about for human characters?

Like calamity NPCs?

Or yharim (if he is in)

[safe oasis]

@errant cloud what purpose do the images of aqult's messages serve on the text size suggestion

they don't seem to contribute much of anything

[drowsy plank]

furthermore, while not explicitly stated, giving "credits" in the suggestion does nothing but make it more obtuse and less likely to be voted for

id just cut those parts entirely

[safe oasis]

so true cognitiveAfflatus#6210

[sand ermine]

this should happen.

[swift wharf]

people including ss of convos are always funny

[hollow shell]

Oh, yeah I just noticed one of the two screenshots has nothing to do with the suggestion and is just aqult being salty cuz people disagreed with him

[crude geode]

It also has nothing to do with people in suggestions dislike it, it’s people in dev disliking it lol

In terms of rejection

[hollow shell]

Also, Future Content reasoning at the bottom
Exclaiming it

(weird and unfounded future content reasoning too)

[frosty trellis]

@hollow shell , while you're here, can you explain why my suggestion has the checkmark saying it got enough votes but nothing has been said about it being sent to the devs for voting? Even the bar color hasn't changed

[hollow shell]

mm, the bot hanged a bit last night
It seems like some suggestions could have gotten their deliveries missed

[frosty trellis]

Ah

Ic

And mine was caught in the crossfire

[hollow shell]

@inland saddle

[inland saddle]

Fug

[hollow shell]

(the bot's still hanging, I can't add tags in the dev server)

[inland saddle]

Lemme start it up again

[frosty trellis]

Here's another one

[inland saddle]

The stats were posted so I can double check all the ones that need to be forwarded

[frosty trellis]

👍

[inland saddle]

@candid dove Could you give me remove reaction perms in #suggestions-voting?

[candid dove]

👍

[inland saddle]

Perfect, thanks

[candid dove]

No prob

[grave zinc]

@iron junco - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Disable Daawnlight Spirit Origin adding targets to passive creatures]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@open meadow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Blend the Lab and Hazard plating]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@frosty trellis - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give some sort of indication after skeletron has been defeated that the abyss exists]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@tough ingot - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Calamity health/mana UI support for Fancy and Bars style]

It has received enough votes to be passed on to the dev server for voting! You'll be notified again when a verdict is reached.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inland saddle]

All caught up

@hollow shell dev stuff should be functional now too

[frosty trellis]

Heck yeah!

Thanks Nycro!

[copper coyote]

should i write it as a suggestion?

[golden kayak]

@viral carbon No

[hollow shell]

Thank you

[grim tusk]

DSR in eclipse and 4 Menacing. So uhh. Also did you make sure that the Nanotech stack started at 0 before fights?

Although if the backlogged changes to rogue accessories get in I dont think these will be that much of an issue

And yea Yharon’s phase transitions are somewhere where rogue can abuse and hit it hard

[iron junco]

Wow I didn’t think mine would actually pass

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest that seems more like a bug than a feature, so it makes sense

like who wants to get crits on passive mobs it doesnt really accomplish anything unless you're trying to use it on like AS exactly but like... why would you do that??

[iron junco]

It’s not quite a bug

It’s just annoying

[small timber]

Dsr in eclipse is a very reasonable thing to do now with infinite solar tablet + cosmolight

But ya nanotech I did forgot about, and it should be on a constant max stack since I didnt exit the game

I kinda just forget rogue just get a 30% damage boost accessory with 0 downside other than you need to either prestack or to ramp it during the fight

(also I thought dsr eclipse is more for defensive boost, I mainly used it for penumbra)

God's paranoia definitely still looks like an outlier though, it is getting saros possession numbers even with consideration of prestacked nanotech

[neat linden]

Correctly used god's paranoia is even more powerful than i thought

and i already thought it's stupid powerful :hdflr:

[small timber]

I think it was like 1:30, on a build using cotbg, rampart, aegis, elysian tracer, dark sun ring, nanotech and eclipse mirror

So not exactly offensive either, the weapon is just that good

For comparison mpg's tested saros on balanced summoner setup and it was like 1:15-ish nvm it is 1:27, so it is comparable

[errant cloud]

They're for comedic effect, learn to live a little

Lol

[frail mantle]

_ _

why do you need to have Comedic Effect in a Suggestion

you're trying to convince them to add something to the game, not be funny

[errant cloud]

I was fixing it but need to get out of bed one sec

Image moment

[small timber]

What bosses even spam the chat other than scal

[solemn dust]

Exo mechs

Prov, but its only one line if the fight goes slow

[small timber]

Exo mechs kinda is more of a 'draedon ranting in the background' for me than say scal, where her dialogues are actually lore based

But ya I guess that counts, maybe dog but the dialogue is shorten now

Providence I will definitely not count though

[errant cloud]

there, fixed

[solemn dust]

But in the old days chat would flood if you kept getting hit

[errant cloud]

man my left eye stings

[solemn dust]

But yea you right

[small timber]

For me you are just not supposed to diverge attention from the fight to read, disregarding whether the text size made it easier to read

So for me you really should only read them (or rather, the mod make it feels like reading them are important) only if they have heavy lore implication like scal

But ya probably just me

[solemn dust]

Ill lick it

[errant cloud]

please dont

[solemn dust]

jk

[errant cloud]

im already grouchy

[solemn dust]

alright

[errant cloud]

there's a reason its a toggle

anyway

let me give feedback on other suggestions rq

since apparently mine was stupid for trying to have a bit of lighthearted fun

[solemn dust]

I mean its an okay idea

But not many players stop and read and would rather focus on fighting

Especially cause endgame bosses flood chat

[errant cloud]

progressive item grab range - seems more aesthetic than functional, not sure if there's a point
furniture being used for waypoint seekers in drae labs - good idea, but i'd rather it be some kind of special little obelisk or altar thing than straight furniture

[solemn dust]

The item grab one used to be with certain lore items

But ceaseless hunger potion slaps your idea around

[errant cloud]

@cobalt pewter's*

[solemn dust]

Yeah

That dude

I cant type today

[grim tusk]

And thats the fucking problem

Eclipse + Penumbra is literally op as fuck

[solemn dust]

fr fr

[drowsy plank]

maybe we should just stop giving these weird ass conditional boosts

remember lunatic cultist lore

i used to have a pillar constantly up just to get that buff

it's kinda dumb

at least water boosts make sense for abyss exploration but like

[small timber]

The thing is it is super easy to accomplish, which is part of the problem

Because solar tablet and cosmolight is just too easy to get and are staple

You kinda have to expect the player to be using it

[fossil finch]

I'd say most people don't

[drowsy plank]

that is true but when considering balancing
it's kinda like potions

[crude geode]

It’s acknowledged in the sugg though????

[small timber]

Most people dont probably because they arent aware how strong it is with penumbra, but it extremely easy to get regardless

Which is why I used it because I expected that as long as people know it is strong with penumbra they will be using it

[drowsy plank]

"we should add more gradual item grab range buffs across progression"
"yeah but there's a late game option so who cares"

[small timber]

Especially at yharon, where you just fought eclipse which you very likely summoned through solar tablet

And cosmolight is just cosmolight

[drowsy plank]

it's the same way people feel about crystyl crusher only being avaliable after u dont need to really build arenas anymore lmao

[crude geode]

Ye

[drowsy plank]

🤞 my cosmolight pickaxe sugg helps in some capacity there

[small timber]

So for me this is a classic case of just nuke penumbra, instead of assuming the issue to be that eclipse + penumbra is the problem

[drowsy plank]

i remember hearing someone mention that ceaseless hunger might become an item that is a gradual upgrade to treasure magnet in the places of progression the item range upgrades used to be at with lore items

[small timber]

It is a fine idea yeah, though a permanent ceaseless hunger have its own concern (notably heart statues or summon king slime midfight)

[drowsy plank]

just slap a cooldown on it ez

[small timber]

I do think some potions do need a rebalance or nerf

Penumbra hard carry stealth whether eclipse or not (and even more on eclipse)

Shattering is literally Reaper Tooth Necklace equivalent in power

Cursed flame and ichor flask are staple badshit crazy flask

Other than that maybe some of the alcohols where their only downside is reduce 1/2 life regen, those are practically not a downside

[small timber]

Oh for some reason I thought it is an accessory since treasure magnet is mentioned, but ya I guess CD works too

[crude geode]

Flasks are another deal because they’re badly designed period

[drowsy plank]

i think the alcohols with the regen downsides are fine because it's still some downside, and making the downsides too extreme might end up with people just not using them again

[crude geode]

Just. free debuffs to half the classes is dumb and makes it so debuffs have to be pretty meh for the most part if it’s ever on a flask, or else they become cursed flame/ichor

[drowsy plank]

i love how more than half the classes use flasks

it's so dumb they might as well not even be there

because they'd have to constantly be balanced around for most weapons having them

[small timber]

I think the life regen alcohols need to be at least 2 or even 3 life regen to be a downside

If I am not mistaken 1 life regen is 0.5 hp/sec

So it really is a very small payoff for what you get

Maybe even a reverse campfire effect where it (slightly) kill some of your life regen on a multiplier, which do fit the alcohol poisoning theme

[drowsy plank]

i guess if it's like mana polarizer it wouldnt be too bad

[small timber]

Just for alcohol with life regen downside, you have bloody mary (best in slot 1 buff), moonshine (10 defense 5% dr so basically ironskin + endurance), moscow mule (9% damage 3% crit), screwdriver (best in slot damage buff on some weapon and bosses), and tequila sunrise (damage, dr, defense)

There is even star beam rye if you count it

[serene tendon]

Yeah, isn't one of the main draws of ranger supposed to be the ability to either inflict status effects or just have higher DPS based on your chosen ammo? If you have to sacrifice DPS for it as ranger, why on earth do other classes get it for free?

[fossil finch]

because ranger sucks end of discussion

[main hatch]

facts

[serene tendon]

Yeah, removing flasks would help with that by giving Ranger something other classes can't do

[fossil finch]

You do know other classes have weapons that function as debuffers right

Also blocking classes out of basic game systems doesn't make them worse or better or anything ranger sucks because it does (opinion stated on a comical way)

[serene tendon]

Yeah, but those are support weapons, they require quick switching to be effective. Flasks nullify the point of those too

[fossil finch]

Also the dps loss is irrelevant especially for the tiers those bullets first become available

[serene tendon]

By making other classes worse you are indirectly making Ranger better

[fossil finch]

No?????

lmao no

By making other classes worse you're making other classes worse and it is completely irrelevant if this is about performance or design elevating or burying stuff doesn't make it's alternatives better or worse

indirectly my balls you're just making stuff worse

anyways flask are an issue because they're stupid not because rangers lose a trillionth of their dps when debuffing unlike other classes

[drowsy plank]

lmao

arent ichor bullets really high damage anyway like this just isnt true at all

[fossil finch]

They are

Same with ice arrows for example

[ashen warren]

if all classes are worse than ranger more people will want to use ranger because it is better than the other classes

[small timber]

This logic apply when there is competition, but for terraria classes are mutually exclusive

[drowsy plank]

i brought up the "half the classes have flasks" point because... half the classes have flasks. which is dumb. like. on top of already being a stupid buff, if everyone has the stupid buff, what even is the point

[fossil finch]

I will keep saying this server reminds me why designing is a job

[drowsy plank]

at least rage/wrath was designed to be used by all classes

[small timber]

Unless you mean like "I play multiplayer with my friend and my class are made worse", but for singleplayer a nerf really only impact a single class

[ashen warren]

I think if the whole server disagrees with you you shouldn't have an opinion on what designing is and isn't

[fossil finch]

What are you talking about jesse

Literally what are you talking about jesse your sentence doesn't make sense jesse

[drowsy plank]

multiplayer isnt real

[serene tendon]

One of Ranger's main draws is the ability to inflict those debuffs with any weapon, but now with flasks anybody can do that.

[drowsy plank]

but... golden shower... ichor gun...

[fossil finch]

i mean melee has been infact able to do that since flask were introduced back in 2015 or some shit

[small timber]

Ichor bullet used to be one of a distinctive advantage of having a ranger in your team yeah

[ashen warren]

this server keeps reminding me that incest is legal

[main hatch]

what

[serene tendon]

Golden Shower is a mage weapon, classless weapons are an issue as well.

[fossil finch]

Idk they're mental they saw a comment and immediately backfired by spouting nonsense

I don't think classless weapons are an issue they're classless weapons everyone can use them thumbsup

[small timber]

Most classless weapon only apply marked now iirc

Is there classless that apply ichor or cursed flame still?

[serene tendon]

Doesn't golden gun apply ichor?

[small timber]

Oh right golden gun

That one is always a weird spot for me since I always feel you should just use golden shower

[drowsy plank]

who give a shit all the class have native ways to inflict ichor now either way so no one is gonna use golden gun either way

golden gun is a little bit better because the projectile isnt affected by gravity

[serene tendon]

Maybe things like Lunic Eye and Astheticus aren't, the RE guns and the golden gun are the real offenders.

[drowsy plank]

the real issue is why there isnt a cursed flames gun or something

[fossil finch]

Golden gun literally does nothing

Like it's not a problem at all

[serene tendon]

it's golden shower but better

[fossil finch]

And re guns aren't debuffers and are stupid

It's not really golden shower but better

[drowsy plank]

i cannot wait for RE guns to die <3

[neat linden]

This tbh

[fossil finch]

It deals 5 damage, it's incredibly slow, and unlike golden shower which btw has an upgrade that also applies cursed inferno, it's unused
Summoner has caustic staff and whip flasking, melee has flasks like it always has, and rogue has a weapon and flasks too because the calamity mod

[small timber]

The only flask (other than maybe ichor on specific weapons) are just cursed flame due to it just scales straight to scal/draedon because of how dr works

[serene tendon]

If the purpose is to quickly apply ichor before switching to your main weapon, than it is

[drowsy plank]

yeah but dats ranger onlyyyyyy we need a classless one /s

[serene tendon]

This, they only exist because hahaha Resident Evil reference go BRRRRRRRRR

[small timber]

Reduce dr just overshadows a lot of things, and practically unchievable on other classes because they dont have native way to apply cursed flame

[drowsy plank]

flasks

[fossil finch]

That's such a niche thats already covered anyway considering it an offender for anything is dumb

It's not breaking anything's balance

[safe oasis]

what are the re guns

[crude geode]

The remnants of “cuz it was cool” phase of this mod definitely need to die

[fossil finch]

Debuffing in this game isn't very important anyway
It's just additional flair

[serene tendon]

Golden Shower is a mage weapon, it is a perk of going mage.

[fossil finch]

Reminder elemental mix exists

[drowsy plank]

they'd be more than fine as just. normal ranger weapons too, is the worst part

[rich echo]

melee has ichor flask and ranged has ichor bullets

not true

[errant cloud]

Concentrated ichor debuff?

That's the first idea that comes to me anyway

Everything else - regular ichor weakening debuff

Golden gun - concentrated ichor weakening debuff

[safe oasis]

you don't have to be a dedicated mage to use golden shower, and you don't have to be a dedicated whatever class uses flasks to quickly swap to that weapon and apply debuffs

[fossil finch]

Also golden shower is used widely in vanilla by other classes to debuff

[safe oasis]

why is this argument even a thing

[drowsy plank]

elemental mix doesnt actually exist lol

[fossil finch]

i know

[neat linden]

Kill murasama

[fossil finch]

Me on my way to use betsy's course

[errant cloud]

Does anyone else like that idea, ichor golden gun doing 150% or 200% more defense reduction

[fossil finch]

This entire argument is irrelevant because betsy's curso exist

[errant cloud]

Or w.e for enemies

[drowsy plank]

just have it also inflict marked or make it into a general debuff inflictor for ichor and cursed flames

[small timber]

Armor pen are probably not gonna get touched for a while

[serene tendon]

Maybe just convert them to ranger weapons and make them not stack with downgrades?

[drowsy plank]

just also remove the % damage part

[serene tendon]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

coldheart died for the same sins

[fossil finch]

Again betsy's course exists

[small timber]

I heard their impact is extremely rediculous, as in on some weapon they dont do anything while some it multiply your damage

[errant cloud]

Implying people want to play ooa to get Betsy's Course tho neko

[drowsy plank]

why dont we have a classless betsy's curse item instead of a weapon that inflicts the debuff literally every class already has ways to inflict

[fossil finch]

Make golden gun deal betsy's curse if you want to buff it lmao

[drowsy plank]

yes

[errant cloud]

O sure

That works

[serene tendon]

Yes

[fossil finch]

I hate overcomplicating things by adding vanilla mimics!!!!

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[fossil finch]

Rem's Revenge my behated

[drowsy plank]

hey guess what rem's is

[safe oasis]

why DO

[drowsy plank]

donator!!!!!

[serene tendon]

or maybe a new debuff since it's not from Betsy

[drowsy plank]

:))))))

[safe oasis]

i pressed send instead of the turn off reply ping button

aha oops

[fossil finch]

I don't think anyone would legitimately care it's applying betsy's course while not being a betsy drop

Again the point is not creating a new debuff for virtually no fucking reason

[errant cloud]

If it has the same effects as the betsy's curse I'd rather just rename Betsy's curse

[drowsy plank]

solution: make it a betsy drop or related to the stupid event. problem solved

[crude geode]

What’s the name of the damn thing

Yan-something’s knife?

[serene tendon]

Fair

[safe oasis]

anyway why DO we have a classless version of literally anything, just use the mage debuff book if you want to debuff, or use that cursed inferno gun if you want to cursed inferno

[fossil finch]

At that point you'd just use the fucking magic weapon??? That is also the only weapon in the game that has this debuff to begin with???

[safe oasis]

it's so dumb

[drowsy plank]

on fire 2 from vanilla glove

[serene tendon]

Yanmei's Knife

[drowsy plank]

lol

[crude geode]

Yes that one debuff that got removed from every single boss a single update after it’s implementation

[errant cloud]

Tbh you could ask that of the entire classless weapon catalogue. Why do we have classless weapons

And well, the answer is ¢=|✓£388_#;_(

There is no answer.

But

We do it

We make them

[drowsy plank]

donators

[fossil finch]

We don't

[drowsy plank]

bc donators

[safe oasis]

aestheticus and the marked weapons are fine because they're actually unique and give unique debuffs

what the hell is the point of golden gun

[fossil finch]

The last time a classless weapon was added was yanmei iirc

[drowsy plank]

to make you angry

[serene tendon]

lol

[crude geode]

Yanmei truly is one of the weapons of all time

[drowsy plank]

ok well if no one else is gonna do it uh

[fossil finch]

golden gun was added eighty years ago when caustic staff didn't exist and rogue sucked and whips weren't real it had a purpose specially for summoner

[errant cloud]

Then I guess the million dollar question is, do we rework classless weapons as a whole, or toss them as a whole

Because that seems like where the conversation is naturally going

Slowly

[safe oasis]

toss the golden gun and copies of vanilla purposes but classless edition and everything else is fine i think

unless i forgot something

[crude geode]

Pretty sure this has been discussed at least like 3 times before in this chat lemme go find the results of the most previous argument

[serene tendon]

RE guns?

[errant cloud]

Me on my way to neck myself because I've already made 2 suggestions and I don't wanna make more for fear of flooding the chat in there

[safe oasis]

idk what those are

[errant cloud]

Someone else can suggest removing classless weapons that have vanilla equivalents tho

[fossil finch]

We kill calamity at this point I'm kinda tired

Direct all resources to pikmin mod

[small timber]

Looking through classless weapon golden gun is really the only outlier

Its entire purpose is to apply ichor and do a worse job than golden shower (even lower duration)

The rest of classless weapon are niche and actully useful as a counter option against some bosses (notably aureus, leviathan, pbg)

And classless weapon really are just re guns + marked debuff weapons, aestheticus and skynamite

[errant cloud]

(or removing golden gun and tweaking vanilla version that too)

[small timber]

So you dont really have a lot to be removed (other than re gun but already addressed)

[fossil finch]

Do NOT touch MY golden piss book

[errant cloud]

Cursed

[swift wharf]

now lets talk about prenerf caustic staff

a time where all classes had flasks

because fuck you

[small timber]

But ya tldr of the flask thing, just butcher cursed flame

That is genuinely the only problematic flask I feel, it is a debuff that you dont really get to apply from non-flask source while have ridiculous impact and scales with the game

[grim tusk]

Now caustic is obsolete due to whips

[crude geode]

flasks are bad design and I will die on this hill

[grim tusk]

[errant cloud]

What even gives cursed flame actually

I don't remember

[swift wharf]

cursed flames

the book

[errant cloud]

Oh

[swift wharf]

which is actually really good

[errant cloud]

Thought it was a debuff effect

[swift wharf]

but people implode when someone mentions using a MAGIC weapon to INFLICT debuffs when you're not MAGE

(actual warcrime)

[small timber]

Also this list, but ya I do have the tendency to want stuff nerfed

[crude geode]

You really do

[grim tusk]

24 DoT

• 20% DR

[small timber]

I just like the idea of "build choice matters" so I tend to dislike things that are too easy to get while pack too much power

[crude geode]

It’s something about like philosophy when it comes to players. When compared to ranged which technically has a cost associated with it (having to make ammo) mage seems stupider

(Both are stupid)

[grim tusk]

Seems like you agree with me on that, I’ve had that in dev ages ago

[crude geode]

I’ve heard from like every tester that every potion should die

[errant cloud]

Also an extra tier or two of healing potion would be nice, I wouldn't complain

Considering y'know the max hp with cal is uh

600 is it?

[small timber]

Wiki seems to say it is -20% the dr the boss have (multiplicatively), though I am unsure if it is a case of wiki not updated

Since I do notice tequila sunrise is not updated just now

[errant cloud]

And omegas heal for like 300 or smth

[grim tusk]

It was -20%

[errant cloud]

Storm how do you feel about that

Extra tier of healing potion above omega, uses like

miracle matter x1?

[small timber]

Tbh isnt -8% even more stupid than -20% multi?

[crude geode]

With blood pact you already heal for a shit ton of hp

[grim tusk]

Maybe when Yharim is a thing

[errant cloud]

Okey

[grim tusk]

But for the moment Omega and Bloodfins are more than enough

[small timber]

I guess maybe if things like yharon bh dr do count toward it then -20% multi is stronger

Since for 20% multi to be bigger than flat -8% the target need to hsve at least 40 dr

[grim tusk]

Even more with Cotbg

[errant cloud]

I forgot about core

Lol

[grim tusk]

Golden gun no longer has a reason to exist

[errant cloud]

I never make core because tbqh its not as good per se as other accs

[grim tusk]

Literally was on the deletion doc but lived???

[crude geode]

Lmao

[grim tusk]

Core is fucking goated

Esp for Yharon

Contact dmg halved every 20 seconds

[crude geode]

Reminds me of the time you forgot to delete hell’s sun

[grim tusk]

More hp

[small timber]

Shivs died while golden gun still alive smhmyhead

[grim tusk]

At least it will no longer be shit if the buffs get through

[crude geode]

Ye

[errant cloud]

Tryna remember what in my 1.3 runs I replaced blood pact with that made me never craft core...I think it was rampart?

[grim tusk]

(Altho it nukes Prov atm and something will be done about that)

Rampart and Core synnergize a lot

One reduces potion cooldown, the other makes potions heal more

[small timber]

Speaking of rampart is the current cross necklace/deific amulet iframe intentional?

[grim tusk]

Oh i remember now, it was supposed to get reworked into a not classless item

[grim tusk]

Yes?

[errant cloud]

Then again storm you have to understand the first time I fought prov I did it with a loadout so underpowered it took me 30 minutes irl to get her to 30% hp

I'm a bit of a mook

[grim tusk]

Its an upgrade to those why wouldnt it

[small timber]

Since I havent heard from it afterwards, from rough test it seems 1.4 (potentially) impacted it

[errant cloud]

I have 3 brain cells and know how to use them

[small timber]

They last way longer than the values I found on wiki at least

[grim tusk]

Issue of skill and preparation

[errant cloud]

Eh if I can survive for 30min it's more of the latter

[drowsy plank]

doesnt rampart have like twice as long iframes as vanilla cross necklace or something
i dont remember what the result of your testing was xpc

[grim tusk]

I literally did Night Providence with Cobalt kunais

[small timber]

This I think

[grim tusk]

It what

[errant cloud]

Freak

[crude geode]

I remember discovering that cobalt kunai did godslayer inferno stealth strike on release

[grim tusk]

Could you get evidence then post it on #bugs-read-pins and ping me so that I can put that on dev

[crude geode]

Funniest shit I ever saw

[grim tusk]

That is mythril knives

[crude geode]

Right

Generic hardmode weapons

[drowsy plank]

uhhhhhh @small timber can you do this cause it's your vid lmfao

[small timber]

I cant right now it is midnight for me

[errant cloud]

Storm on an unrelated note since I'm morbidly curious were you here last night for the conversations I was in

Or yesterday

[drowsy plank]

damn...

[small timber]

The only one I can 100% confirm is celestial tracer iframe not working, though that one I think is known

[errant cloud]

I was talking about how yharim wouldve needed to drop a new crafting material for an item tier if demonshade bars stay for dev items or w.e

Think demonshade is supposed to eventually be regular tier?

Idk

I was curious as to how that all jumbled together is there anything you wanted to do

[grim tusk]

Depends on how late it was and where

[small timber]

It can be a bit hard for me to test too since 1/6 sec (wiki number) or 1/2 sec (around vanilla numbers) are hard to differentiate just by looking at it, I will try editing software to count frames or something

[grim tusk]

That one wasnt known so go and report that

[small timber]

Oh I pinged for it, ya I will report it

[grim tusk]

Thats correct

[small timber]

I will just use the old recording I made

[grim tusk]

Once it gets reworked and made weaker eventually™️

[errant cloud]

o

okok

I'm only asking because I remembered yharim and the auric tesla theme so demonshade dropping from him doesn't make sense

But charged auric tier aka current auric tier is now weak sauce doesn't seem the way to go about it

Feels almost stale?

[grim tusk]

Yharim will not come in years

By the time he’s out demonshade and auric would have been already reworked

[crude geode]

Yeah

Auric is planned for rework because it exemplifies problems with armor sets post ml

Eventually™️

[grim tusk]

And Yharim will prob get “Auric tesla MkII” (i just made that up) or smth

[hollow shell]

byeah it's way too early to say what sets will look like around endgame once Yharim comes out

[drowsy plank]

they will be items methinks

[errant cloud]

Thar wilt be items

You know I'm asking out of morbid curiosity but when I think about it further

I kinda don't care for yharim

He can stay in the void for another few years

[small timber]

I will report the celestial tracer iframe bug tomorrow just in case it is already fix, since I cant 100% sure if the recording was done right before or after the newest.patch

And since I cant open tmod right now I will just wait until I can tmr

[crude geode]

Fun Fact: the devs feel pretty much the same way from what I’ve heard

[hollow shell]

byeah there's a good few devs who have been trying their damndest to minimize Yharim's impact in the lore, so that the world has depth that doesn't all connect back to just him

But he'll still be the final boss of course
Still the core of the story

[proven needle]

Hello all I am wondering if there are any plans for reworking exo mecha mayhem

[frail mantle]

there are

[hollow shell]

Actually, yes
There are plans to give them more synergized cooperative attacks

[proven needle]

Even if Hypnos is an elaborate joke, the one line talking about synergy sticks with me as something the mechs could use

What kinds of ideas are being thrown around for exo mecha mayhem?

[safe oasis]

exo mecha mayhem is just regular exo mechs is it not

[inner anvil]

Rover just told you that eventually we'll add combo attacks.

[hollow shell]

yeah I won't go into detail about what those attacks are, that's for only Fab to reveal if he so wishes

[inner anvil]

I asked Fab.

He doesn't mind.

So I did reveal them yesterday.

[proven needle]

Oh that’s pretty cool

So what combo attacks are being thrown around?

[inner anvil]

To say one example, when Ares and Thanatos are active at the same time, Ares can put himself in blender position (But without the lasers) and using his cannons to shoot you while Thanatos spins around Ares, meaning you're trapped there.

[proven needle]

Oh yeah the two mech phases could use some of that combo attack magic as well

[inner anvil]

We want to have 4 combo attacks:
· All mechs.
· Ares-Thanatos.
· Ares-Twins.
· Thanatos-Twins.

[safe oasis]

oh yeah rver while you're here, Syn fixed their sugg i think

[frosty trellis]

That's fucking amazing and I can't wait to try it out

[proven needle]

I just want so that exo mecha mayhem doesn’t require luck (at least for me) to get through

[frosty trellis]

Exo mech trio is chaotic so fair enough

[inner anvil]

Next update, in my experience, fixes that at least a little bit.

[frosty trellis]

Thank god

[inner anvil]

Next update doesn't include the combo attacks though.

[frosty trellis]

Now maybe I don't have to nohit the first two phases so I don't die to Thanatos in trio phase

[proven needle]

Either I melt Thanatos or i die is my general experience with exo mecha mayhem

[frosty trellis]

I just try and get rage + adren and nuke Ares down in the Mecha mayhem

Get him alone, get Thanatos down to 70 while I get adren back and then shred Exos twins

[inner anvil]

Possible addendum: We should make Ares enrage if you go outside the Thanatos circle.

[frosty trellis]

You should yeah

Both should tbh

[inner anvil]

GOD THANATOS ENRAGE.

[frosty trellis]

Thanatos should get malice laser speed and telegraph

If you try that bs

[inner anvil]

I think Ares is enough.

He gets tons and tons of DR.

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[proven needle]

Speaking of Thanatos, I do have an issue with berserk Thanatos and it’s speed

[inner anvil]

Draedon should laugh if you exit the circle.

[inner anvil]

We made Thanatos slower next update, Fab saw how fast he is and he fixed it.

[proven needle]

Oh that is very nice

[drowsy plank]

that would be a fantastic detail, and a good way to telegraph the enrage

[hollow shell]

Question though
Does the UI Scale vanilla slider already affect the chatbox?

[inner anvil]

Anyways, I'm going to go gaming now, no more Exo Mechs teasers.

[safe oasis]

i can turn on my pc rq to check but idk off the top of my head

[rotund tree]

it does change the text size

[proven needle]

Before I ask this next question, is shield bashing i-frames essential tech for all calamity players to know?

[frosty trellis]

No

It's just really good

[proven needle]

Alright

[frosty trellis]

Bosses are doable without them

It's just much harder

Without rams

Especially for Yharon

On Death Mode it's probably necessary or damned close to it

But for Rev it's fully doable without

[proven needle]

I do take issue with Thanatos and it’s gamma disintegration ray

[orchid wing]

Sexo mech pog 👍

[frosty trellis]

I'm fairly certain you don't need to ram away from that? Let me try without rams or RoD

[proven needle]

And how it curls around you during or after the ray

[hollow shell]

Alright, so
@errant cloud Do you want to acknowledge that in your suggestion?

[proven needle]

Feels like there is no way to escape without RoD or shield bashing

[inner anvil]

Stay near his head, he's very very slow when you do that, and like that he doesn't curl around you.

It's represented by a white light near his head.

Fab and Iban put effort to make that light as visible as possible.

[grim tusk]

Congrats on yellow

[rotund tree]

i've been yellow since June lol

but i had nohit roles on top so it didn't show the color

[grim tusk]

Oh thats why i didnt notice

[inner anvil]

One more based person that deleted his No-Hit roles to the list.

🤝

[grim tusk]

Wiki role should be above nohit roles tbh

[inner anvil]

Everything should be above No-Hit roles.

[grim tusk]

Indeed

[proven needle]

What is wrong with no-hit roles

I am in the dark on this

[grim tusk]

Bad part of Calamity’s history, esp elitism

[errant cloud]

mm? wait let me read back msg history i just got summoned

oh

to what extent

if its all encompassing i might just delete the suggestion entirely due to !s

@rotund tree

[rotund tree]

was your plan to only make the boss dialogues smaller but keep the other text intact ?

[errant cloud]

no it was to scale the size of all text in the chatbox + elsewhere, there's a deleted chunk of text i had in the original suggestion (curbed due to poor presentation) where i had mentioned it would be particularly useful later for if dialogue boxes were added to replace chat dialogue

y'know, from bosses like cal and draedon

[errant cloud]

(this is also part of the reason why it has !s)

[rotund tree]

70% scale already makes it quite small (100% on top)

[errant cloud]

oh

can you set it to >100%?

[rotund tree]

sure can...

[errant cloud]

ok yeah i didnt know vanilla implementation for that existed so ill just delete the original suggestion i had made

(i didnt like it anyway and had become sour with it)

[rotund tree]

i never liked how the single slider changes the size of everything at once, you can't only change the chatbox

[hollow shell]

byeah Terraria doesn't have
Final Fantasy 14 tier UI customization

[errant cloud]

tell you what sharz ill do you a shooey

if the team decides to add in dialogue boxes on their own

[hollow shell]

Can't independently scale and reposition each UI element

[errant cloud]

ill make a suggestion to scale chatbox and dialogue box text size specifically

until then

im lazy

:]

[frosty trellis]

I'm sorry when did phase 2 with Ares/Thanatos become so damn laggy