suggestions-discussion

[alpine prawn]

just kinda rude innit m8

[drowsy plank]

lol

[cobalt pewter]

boom, have a nice day

[short walrus]

we kinda
Uh
don't care

[swift wharf]

it's exclaimed

anyways

[cobalt pewter]

death

[short walrus]

welp, its over

hey guys wanna have a balancing discussion

[swift wharf]

now watch as it gets 20+ reactions

[short walrus]

uhhhh

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

did aquashard ever get nerfed

[swift wharf]

[short walrus]

i just clicked random page and it came up with lionfish

balanced or nah

[drowsy plank]

lionfish is fine probably

rogue really do be like

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

i really ought to play rogue at some point lmao

aestheticus?

also you're... not supposed to use them as primary weapons

[short walrus]

it's not a direct downgrade but it's close enough

[drowsy plank]

yeah i just meant

there are classless options

RE guns exist rn too

hopefully they wont soon

[swift wharf]

was marked magnum removed?

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[short walrus]

yeah i am agreeing with you with context for whenever the guy looks here

oh hey we should

[swift wharf]

cuh

[slender void]

aestheticus doesn't have any support effects

[swift wharf]

ok so

[short walrus]

it has it's own debuff

[swift wharf]

this sounds like a don't

[drowsy plank]

it literally does look at the wiki lmao

[slender void]

10% movement speed debuff and extra damage right

[swift wharf]

also do we need reduced dr
in prehm

[alpine prawn]

you guys can't say that an ultimate sword wouldn't be cool. I mean, the exoblade is cool, but I mean come on the Triactis hammer thing is a billion times better, and something just feels wrong about the best melee weapon being a hammer and not a sword

[slender void]

not talking exactly like that, just a dedicated support weapon in prehm

[drowsy plank]

exoblade is better than dust hammer v3

that is literally what aestheticus is

a dedicated support weapon

[short walrus]

triactis is a dev weapon.

next.

[alpine prawn]

and?

[swift wharf]

:|

[drowsy plank]

please im begging you man just read the rules in the pins

[slender void]

it deals damage though

[drowsy plank]

???

[swift wharf]

and classless weapons don't?

this sounds like the funny subclass don't

[slender void]

Eye of Magnus doesn't deal any significant damage for its tier

[short walrus]

it's not meant to

[slender void]

exactly

[drowsy plank]

neither does aesth???

[alpine prawn]

I mean come on I don't even care what the rules say; this recipe would be damn awesome

[short walrus]

again, it's a support weapon

[drowsy plank]

red please stop posting about your bad sword and read the rules

[short walrus]

that looks like tedious bullshit

[swift wharf]

it wouldn't

[slender void]

then what use does it have? 10% movement speed debuff isn't much

[short walrus]

please, read the rules and get out

[alpine prawn]

it's not that bad it's just a final sword

[swift wharf]

this is like that one apotheosis weapon

[drowsy plank]

it's better than you'd think

[swift wharf]

the poopshitter true yharim sword

[swift wharf]

s u p p o r t

ok but we're missing the main point

it's prehm

do you really need to reduce enemy dr

[alpine prawn]

hey, the poopshitters are a respectable band

[drowsy plank]

we used to have a weapon that marked things for death and it was removed

i feel like it was for a reason

so

[swift wharf]

yeah

[slender void]

ok
I'll try it and see how it affects things

[drowsy plank]

probably a good idea lmao

[slender void]

I honestly haven't thought much about aestheticus outside of "funny classless aesthetic sword"

[cobalt pewter]

out of context, this sounds like someone malding at Redigit

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

[swift wharf]

this just sounds like add marked magnum but with extra steps

[drowsy plank]

aestheticus is a sword?

[alpine prawn]

even with context ngl

[drowsy plank]

i thought it was a staff

[slender void]

ye

[swift wharf]

it's classless

tho

[drowsy plank]

i mean you swing it like a "sword" i guess but it doesnt have a hitbox on the item, it just shoots projectiles

[swift wharf]

it does

[drowsy plank]

wait really

wild

[swift wharf]

donor items!!!!

[drowsy plank]

so true

[swift wharf]

!wiki aestheticus

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Aestheticus

[swift wharf]

(the melee hit changes nothing)

((it just inflicts vaporfied for more time

[drowsy plank]

actually it doesnt, it inflicts it for 2 seconds

shorter than the main projectile

if the infobox is to be believed

hilarious

[swift wharf]

I will personally murder dev

[drowsy plank]

red istg if this is about the sword

read the rules

please

[alpine prawn]

people get so bent out of shape for a simple sword idea 💀💀💀 lmao

[drowsy plank]

red im begging you

just

read the pins

they're right there

[neat linden]

simple sword idea

[alpine prawn]

calm down omg I did

[neat linden]

indeed simple

[swift wharf]

true...

[cobalt pewter]

did I miss smth...

[hot zephyr]

hey guys check out my cool and original idea

[neat linden]

it only has like what

22 parts into one item

[short walrus]

fogbound.png

[neat linden]

reminds me of the old drat

[alpine prawn]

that's the point; it's over the top

[neat linden]

or old kelvin

[cobalt pewter]

primal urge to send buzz lightyear gif

[neat linden]

both got murdered

[cobalt pewter]

Kelvin still has traces of grinding, but not as bad as it used to be

[short walrus]

do it

[swift wharf]

did you know that zenith uses more swords than exoblade

[short walrus]

give in to your instincts

[cobalt pewter]

bark

[slender void]

to be honest, "ultimate swords" are just bad in general because they make every other weapon at that tier useless.

like do you see endgame vanilla players using anything other than zenith? no

[hot zephyr]

bad feedza

[swift wharf]

[hot zephyr]

🗞️

[cobalt pewter]

true

[frozen hornet]

Pizzer when

[slender void]

just let the component swords stand by themself as a good option

[alpine prawn]

that's the point; it takes a million years to get but when you do it's worth it

[swift wharf]

so true

[neat linden]

vanilla zenith is worth it

[swift wharf]

but rules are rules

[neat linden]

you can use it on bosses like

or

[drowsy plank]

"ultimate sword enjoyers" when i show them dev tier weapons

[neat linden]

or maybe even

[alpine prawn]

I only made the idea because it's scuffed as hell that a hammer is better than all the endgame swords

[swift wharf]

just become a dev

[neat linden]

other than that, steam achievement

vanilla zenith has like, no actual use

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about the hammer sucks ass right now

[hot zephyr]

[alpine prawn]

it does like 3 million more dps tha the exoblade

[swift wharf]

dev tier balancing purgatory

[alpine prawn]

*than

[drowsy plank]

are you using dummies

[alpine prawn]

melee preforms best for lines of enemies. people never realize that they shouldn't only be testing on bosses

[frail mantle]

dev tier is intentionally the zanechamp post-everything-else what-the-fuck-is-a-balance tier

[drowsy plank]

[swift wharf]

enemies die when you sneeze on them

and enemy dps is even more scuffed than dummy dps

[neat linden]

True

[frozen hornet]

They've been trying to move away from instant upgrades
Your sword recipe has earth, draconic destruction, elemental excalibur and red sun, all of which are swords from the literal final tier of the game
Then your recipe would have you craft all four of these to use them nonce and immediately craft them into so called zneeth 2

[hot zephyr]

my sword concept

[alpine prawn]

even when testing on bosses, hammer is better than the other melee weapons so this is kind of moot

[drowsy plank]

it really isnt

[alpine prawn]

it really is I don't know what ur talking about

[frozen hornet]

This too

[neat linden]

"Dev tier balance" when draconic destruction is like a maybe pre yharon weapon in dps (?)

[frozen hornet]

(translation:dev tier isn't properly balanced and won't be for a long while

[drowsy plank]

i know a tester tested hammer recently and it was severely underperforming on exos even though it should be doing well

[alpine prawn]

well, when I'm doing it, it outperforms everything massively

and I'm up to date

[drowsy plank]

are you using other mods

[alpine prawn]

not ones that would mess with the weapon's performance against each other

[slender void]

like what 🤨

[drowsy plank]

get some kill times and maybe id believe you

regardless hammer isnt gonna get rebalanced for... a long time

[hot zephyr]

genuinely does not matter
zenith is lame and shouldn't get an upgrade

[drowsy plank]

true!

[swift wharf]

it's dev tier balance why do we careeeeee

[alpine prawn]

take that back

zenith is awesome

[drowsy plank]

i want to give red something to do other than talk about his sword in this chat

[alpine prawn]

you people just hate fun

[hot zephyr]

everything dev tier is in balancing purgatory and doesn't matter (lol)

[frozen hornet]

Ian is a good man he doesn't take back his words

[hot zephyr]

it's true I hate fun

[swift wharf]

this really does sound like you're talking to redigit

[neat linden]

i like fun

[swift wharf]

die

[neat linden]

that's why i like aotc

[slender void]

banned

[neat linden]

[hot zephyr]

blending the fun calamity swords into shitty terraprisma sounds like a bad idea

[neat linden]

even terraprisma is cooler ngl

[drowsy plank]

"fun haters" when we want to have challenging boss fights and actually interesting weapons and everyone wants to kill us for it

[neat linden]

i mean cool light blades

they look even cooler with dyes

[swift wharf]

sotn did it better,.,..,.,.,.,

[neat linden]

(Speaking of which, bless whichever terraria dev decided to add critter shampoo)

[frozen hornet]

That's me I'm john terraria dev

[alpine prawn]

it wouldn't be easy to get, dude. it would be a ton of effort that's just for the truely committed. crafting the sword is the challenge. if you're able to craft the sword, you will have probably done all of the other challenges the mod offers.. and when you get it, it's extremely overpowered

[swift wharf]

FUCK

BEAT ME TO IT

[drowsy plank]

go play fargos

[slender void]

critter shampoo + eol dye

[neat linden]

no way john terraria

real

[frozen hornet]

It's really not that hard

[alpine prawn]

I've actually been thinking about that. which fargos mod is the big one?

[drowsy plank]

souls i think

[slender void]

red is the kind of person to call soul of eternity balanced

[swift wharf]

people already craft all weapons

[alpine prawn]

idk what you're talking about because it would take a while

[frozen hornet]

If you're a collector you can craft it in like 3 minutes

[swift wharf]

so it's not grindy at all

[neat linden]

the main reason why zenith is that challenging to get

[swift wharf]

zenith recipe is cring

[frozen hornet]

I once crafted 100 auric bars in 30 minutes out of boredom

[neat linden]

is because summoning ml in vanilla is a fucking pain

[alpine prawn]

nah man soul of eternity it crosses my personal threshold of too over the top

[swift wharf]

(fuck bee keeper I hate bee keeper)

[alpine prawn]

I agree

[neat linden]

enjoy farming events for 30 hours only to kill ml 3 times and get no swords

good game design

[drowsy plank]

this is why we made non consumable boss summons

[frozen hornet]

Like if you trash everything you don't use anymore then maybe you're gonna take some time to re-craft everything but if you stuff everything into magic storage or something you can craft it in a few clicks

[drowsy plank]

cal makes getting things so easy

it really wouldnt be any harder than old kelvin catalyst on tier

[frozen hornet]

The only hard thing about it is having to beat scal and exos 2-3 times for the shadowspec

[alpine prawn]

I'm considering adding guide Picasso to the recipe

[drowsy plank]

i mean

it wont be any less denied

[alpine prawn]

it would be kinda funny tho

[drowsy plank]

so unless you're gonna program it yourself

ok

[frozen hornet]

Less denied is a strange phrase

[drowsy plank]

yes that is the joke

what he's doing isn't going to shift the fact that it was a straight no

id rather it be a mild annoyance tbh

better to be that and be viable than to need to like

super overtune the weapon and make the hearts really hard to deal with

[slender void]

I guess but it does need to be balanced a little

[drowsy plank]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

we'll see how it does ig

[slender void]

I mean summoner as a whole does but that's neither here nor there

[frozen hornet]

They're trying to move away from having exhumeds be "ha big damage but they KILL you"

Something like shattered community

[slender void]

yeah but the risk factor is what made exhumed items interesting

[frozen hornet]

Metastasis is one of the more tame exhumeds when compared to supreme (tm) entropy vigil and eminem

[drowsy plank]

i mean that doesnt mean the old "they kill you" ones shouldn't be more balanced

[frozen hornet]

Sourc

[frozen hornet]

Yeah and they'll put in the effort to make them not "they kill you"

[drowsy plank]

fair, i just feel like these reworks are probably

quite far down the line

[frozen hornet]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

meta is prolly fine rn but w/e

we'll see how the vote goes

it will probably fail

[slender void]

yeah

but that's the thing with most votes

[short walrus]

@tepid root he stays in place and roars

[tepid root]

does he

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[tepid root]

well that was a waste of time

[drowsy plank]

you can just delete it

[hollow shell]

to be fair

He spends 90% of the fight roaring

[drowsy plank]

also true

maybe a different roar for phase transitions?

[crude geode]

All of Yharon’s indicators being tied to sound is kind of bad

[short walrus]

true

[hollow shell]

Should there be like a unique radial pulse that emits from him then?

[alpine prawn]

ok, here's a more tame idea: Exoblade+Ark of the Cosmos+Earth

[drowsy plank]

red you clearly have not read the rules

[tepid root]

yeh i thought something like that would be cool rover

[alpine prawn]

this isn't zenith related it's cool

just a weapon

[drowsy plank]

no it isnt

[short walrus]

still no

[drowsy plank]

yes and specific weapons

are also against the rules

[short walrus]

any modifications to shadowspec items are instantly disallowed

[alpine prawn]

what?? why?? that's r8 dumb considering the nature of the mod

[drowsy plank]

it's literally the first thing on the document

[short walrus]

for now, at least

[drowsy plank]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit

read it

[short walrus]

what nature lmao

[hollow shell]

You need to have more of a reason for a new endgame sword to be added than just "need endgame combo sword after the other endgame combo swords because Zenith"

[neat linden]

you can suggest a general weapon just not too detailed

[small timber]

people used to suggest weapons for 99% of suggestions

[cobalt pewter]

this is why Red should be stopped

[neat linden]

like "X class has not enough weapons for Y stage / should have more choices for Z boss"

[small timber]

it end up being extremely unproductive since 99% of them also turns out to be unimplemented, so you cant suggest specific items now

[hollow shell]

(Also if Earth is in the recipe what will prevent it from being an instant upgrade?
You're not allowed to use The Rock in recipes)

[cobalt pewter]

there would've been no more bad weapon precedence if Red stops making them

[alpine prawn]

for obvious reasons I mean come on it's the calamity mod. half the experience is cool weapons

[neat linden]

this isn't the old calamity

cool weapons have to also make sense

[hollow shell]

Ark and Exoblade are already cool

[small timber]

the thing is 99% of the weapons are also added by the devs themself, not through suggestions

[alpine prawn]

yeah but you know what would be cooler? both of them together

[small timber]

and as you can see a lot of weapons are having their recipe becoming more simplified now

[drowsy plank]

it really wouldnt be

[hollow shell]

You don't need to add a new weapon to increase the mod's coolness

[alpine prawn]

yeah but it would be r8 nice

[crude geode]

Coolness isn’t valid reasoning, as well.

[small timber]

yeah you can just, rework the uncool one

[short walrus]

the mod is already dealing with an item bloat problem

[hollow shell]

It'd be better to find a really lame weapon and suggest it get a refurbish

[small timber]

ark being the most obvious example, from a literally homing terrablade

[drowsy plank]

"r8" does not sound like "really" it sounds like "rate" why do you keep saying that

[short walrus]

useless swords will only excacerbate that

[hollow shell]

That way the ratio of lame and cool is tipped more favorably

[short walrus]

^^^

fuck that pinged sorry

[drowsy plank]

dw ive got the channel open lmao

[frail mantle]

the problem with trying to combine exoblade and the ark is how the fuck do you make a coherent item that takes elements of both the funny parry scissors and the exoblade

[alpine prawn]

do not question my motives (it's a jerry jackson reference)

[crude geode]

[short walrus]

who?

[drowsy plank]

i will continue to question you

[neat linden]

make the funny parry dash towards the enemy or something idk

[small timber]

final dawn

[alpine prawn]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat linden]

either way i don't think mixing endgame swords "because is cool" is a good thing

[drowsy plank]

augh please not a melee final dawn

i would literally die

[cobalt pewter]

speaking of refurbish

how hard would it be for rogue weapons to "frontload" use time on stealth strikes?

so use time will be the delay before you throw the actual projectile (with anim so that it doesn't look weird lo) instead of the projectiles being thrown instantly (for the most part) on stealth strikes then the use time is done after

[alpine prawn]

well, I do and none of you are changing my mind

[neat linden]

Old Lord's Oa-

[quiet kernel]

Also dev tier is only for dev items

[drowsy plank]

trueeeee

[frail mantle]

that's fine

just don't expect to be able to change any of our minds either

[quiet kernel]

So earth upgrade is also not allowed

[alpine prawn]

that's oppressive and cringe

[small timber]

dont quite understand, what does it actually do?

[drowsy plank]

red just read the rules im begging you

[neat linden]

i think rogue could use more weapons for post ml pre provi

[short walrus]

you're just stupid and belligerent imo tbh iirc

[neat linden]

it has 5, one of which is used by no one

so technically 4

[alpine prawn]

I DID I already told you

[quiet kernel]

What is so cringe lmao

[alpine prawn]

it's a stupid rule

[drowsy plank]

you very clearly have not considering you keep trying to force this specific sword suggestion

[neat linden]

"A tier dedicated for the people who worked on the mod only? actual cringe"

like how

[quiet kernel]

It a tier of items for devs ONLY

[neat linden]

how is that cringe i don't see it

[unborn oriole]

God damn red

[frail mantle]

either way i don't really see why this argument is still going

[unborn oriole]

Just accept that

[alpine prawn]

no I mean the fact that no dev items can be combined is stupid

[unborn oriole]

Its a tier

[small timber]

there is a reason that rule exist, it is to stop other 99+ people coming here to suggest for random end game item upgrade

[unborn oriole]

FOR DEVS

[frail mantle]

nobody is gonna change their minds about this

[drowsy plank]

correct

[frail mantle]

you're just going in circles

[unborn oriole]

Wich only DEVS can CHANGE

[drowsy plank]

it's just like malice

[unborn oriole]

Because THEY ARE THE DEVS

[quiet kernel]

But then it would be just a instant upgrade

[alpine prawn]

oh my god calm down

[neat linden]

i'd like to hear any opinions

[alpine prawn]

and?

[drowsy plank]

i think a sugg about this already passed

adding another drop to ML directly for rogue

[neat linden]

has it? oh good

[quiet kernel]

The weapons made for it would be useless

[drowsy plank]

since everyone else gets 2 and he only gets one

[neat linden]

that or buff/rework hell's sun so it's actually usable

[drowsy plank]

id need to look

[unborn oriole]

Overall kinda, you only have disk lunar kunais and reaper i think

Oh and yeah utensil poker

[frail mantle]

i am officially telling you both to stop arguing about this

[quiet kernel]

Like the dev tier stuff

[neat linden]

disk, kunai, reaper, utensil

[small timber]

and also the entire post-ML (right after) has like, 4 or 5 weapons only iirc

[neat linden]

and fucking hell's sun

[drowsy plank]

is hell's sun a know bad weapon

[quiet kernel]

Okay

[drowsy plank]

maybe we could get a tester ping

[unborn oriole]

Hell's sun is uhhh

[neat linden]

thing is

[alpine prawn]

you people get so up and arms about every little weapon idea smh

[neat linden]

no one knows it even exists

[alpine prawn]

buy

[unborn oriole]

Idk i never used it i like disk stacking

[alpine prawn]

bye? I forget how to spell sometimes

[neat linden]

and the opinions i heard were all negative

[drowsy plank]

so it needs a buff

[unborn oriole]

You do realize how awfully specific your weapon idea was right

[drowsy plank]

gadiel

[crude geode]

Drop it

[drowsy plank]

you heard odin

[unborn oriole]

Oh srry

[drowsy plank]

who does rogue testing

[crude geode]

Storm

[unborn oriole]

Uhhh

Ping a tester

[small timber]

@ Storm2103

(but ya, he probably know already, since apparently he tested every single rogue weapon)

[alpine prawn]

should be allowed to be specific

[drowsy plank]

Red please listen to the moderator

[unborn oriole]

Why

[drowsy plank]

GUYS

[unborn oriole]

Ok i'll stop

[crude geode]

Spiky balls as a whole are underrated because the main point of them is to deal with crowd control

[drowsy plank]

figured

[crude geode]

but then cal exists and spiky ball niche for rogue is kinda just. blegh.

[unborn oriole]

I mean, elemental disk already exists

[crude geode]

or loses it’s original purpose and becomes something else

[drowsy plank]

yeah but like

[cobalt pewter]

whomstdve mentioned spiky balls

[drowsy plank]

there should be more good options other than just disk

we're talking about hell's sun

[cobalt pewter]

oh

[neat linden]

On why SIS were terrible:

before: 2019-07-01 in: suggestions-voting

Enjoy

[cobalt pewter]

hell's sun pretty garbage yeah

[drowsy plank]

since rogue really needs more good options on the post-ML tier

[cobalt pewter]

even as supposed crowd control

[frail mantle]

nav please

[cobalt pewter]

it doesn't do anything nor have anything to work off at its point

[neat linden]

well wasn't directed at the argument directly but

alright

[crude geode]

Crowd control directed at the 3 provi enemies of it’s tier

[cobalt pewter]

Lunar Kunai is good for birb and provi

[neat linden]

yeah kunai are aight

[drowsy plank]

yeah, and utensil exists, but overall that's like

[small timber]

if lunar kunai didnt get nerfed it is good for polterghast too and all sentinels

[neat linden]

how good is cel reaper

[cobalt pewter]

Celestial Reaper is pretty good on guardians part 1 (killing the stupid healer), then Lunar Kunai for the rest

[unborn oriole]

Disk is mainly for guardians and provi's guardian phase, as well as crowds

[neat linden]

i remember using it and it was okay

[unborn oriole]

I think

[drowsy plank]

i mean look at this

it's a joke

[crude geode]

Where was the sugg about adding an extra drop to ml

[small timber]

disk is pretty strong against thanatos, surprisingly

[cobalt pewter]

Celestial Reaper definitely isn't such a beast anymore, but you can still work it off

[neat linden]

there used to be also malachite

[unborn oriole]

Litterally all the weapons in the tier

[neat linden]

i'd argue one more ml drop and one more elemental weapon for rogue

[drowsy plank]

mhm

[unborn oriole]

True

[cobalt pewter]

is rogue the only class with a single elem weapon

[neat linden]

and buff hell's sun to be viable

[cobalt pewter]

because I remembered there are 2 exos for rogue

[unborn oriole]

I mean, every other class has 2 elemental weapons

[neat linden]

summoner had one until 1.5.0 so yeah

[unborn oriole]

Yeah, Supernova and Celestus

[neat linden]

rogue is still the only one with a single elemental weapon

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

damn wtf this didnt pass

[unborn oriole]

Elemental bomb

[cobalt pewter]

answer's pretty obvious then, elemental scythe for that

and I guess you'd need to rely on dono for ml drop because :hdflr

[unborn oriole]

[neat linden]

tbh elemental bomb is a cooler idea imo

[cobalt pewter]

(rogue can totally get another weapon on ml tho yea)

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

And i mean, material for supernova since elemental --> Exo (most cases)

[cobalt pewter]

both are fair play, is elem disk used for celestus

[neat linden]

it is

[cobalt pewter]

tho yeah, ig bomb might be more relevant

[unborn oriole]

Imagine elemental bomb being viable on thanathot

[cobalt pewter]

and speaking of supernova

is it the only non-dono item that uses a dono item in its recipe

[frozen hornet]

Ele disk directly upgrades to celestus yes

[neat linden]

there used to be exo gladius but now it's gone

[frozen hornet]

But some exo weapons don't use elems so it's not exactly consistent

[neat linden]

lemne look for some else

[frozen hornet]

Magno,nova, and blade doesn't use elem weapons

[cobalt pewter]

summon has how much elem weapons again

[unborn oriole]

Inmaterializer uses Elemental axe

[frozen hornet]

Ah I forgor

[unborn oriole]

Elemental axe and flowers of mortality

[cobalt pewter]

oh yeah the latter is recent

[short walrus]

supernova rework plans my beloved

[cobalt pewter]

true

cat boom

[frozen hornet]

Gale, immat, cel, photo, VC and SSV use elems

[cobalt pewter]

cel?

[frozen hornet]

Dammit I forgot again

Yes

[cobalt pewter]

literally 5 mins ago

[frozen hornet]

In my defense it's been a long day

[cobalt pewter]

fair

[neat linden]

Monstrous Knives upgrade into Empyrean Knives
Scorched Earth and The Pack upgrade into Magnomaly
The Prince upgrades into Vivid Clarity (Mainly because it's the counterpart to thorn blossom)

[frozen hornet]

I keep forgetting gladius died and tried to recall what's the tenth exo

[cobalt pewter]

ahh

not a lot but still there

[unborn oriole]

Gone, reduced to Atoms.

[drowsy plank]

considering how it performed last time, this should be an easy pass

[crude geode]

Was probably just posted at a bad time

[drowsy plank]

yeah i think it was right after 2.0 dropped so

i mean it got 150 stars but

the requirements during that time were just ridiculous

[cobalt pewter]

shoulda sent the screenshot of class setups

[drowsy plank]

actually

[neat linden]

sugging anything after 2.0 was terrible

[swift wharf]

neuron activation

[cobalt pewter]

(Hell's Sun definitely needs to be do sometime(

it's just

ass

[drowsy plank]

shit ill need to wait ten minutes

w/e

[cobalt pewter]

at least with Burning Strife it's a decent niche vs Destroyer

Hell's Sun literally has no place on pre provi

[crude geode]

Just wait for actual biomes post ml and it might have a niche then?

[neat linden]

God's Paranoias are viable for yharon, exos and scal so all good there

[crude geode]

Idk it’s dps might still not be good enough

[neat linden]

sticky balls and poison packs are really strong too

[swift wharf]

yeah just wait 2 years

[crude geode]

So true

[cobalt pewter]

sticky balls are balanced post evil but obtained preboss

love to see it

the clash of cal balancing and phm design

[crude geode]

Pumpkin armor moment

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

(B4 it got nerfed)

[swift wharf]

pumpkin armor was buffed????

[cobalt pewter]

at least it's not that far off for pumpkin armor

[drowsy plank]

wait when was pumpkin nerfed

it's dogshit rn

[crude geode]

Moreso it had a really high defense for pre-boss

[swift wharf]

[crude geode]

I might also be hallucinating

[swift wharf]

now it's the funny 10% dmg I think

[cobalt pewter]

boss checklist defined goblin army post-evil

meanwhile shit you can just bomb the bol preboss and sleep till they spawn

[swift wharf]

also wtf nobody talking about nasty cholas...

[drowsy plank]

oh right

those

things

[cobalt pewter]

nasty chollas are very good spiky balls for stealth very early game

[crude geode]

talk about pre-boss options and you can be here for years

[cobalt pewter]

especially good with scuttler's jewel

[neat linden]

phm spiky balls are really good in general

[swift wharf]

pocket desintegrator

and now compare it to cactus sword or smth

[cobalt pewter]

byeah there's something off about spiky balls later on

maybe it's because of the boss focus but I clapped Cultist with Nychthemeron

okay bad example, that piece of shit dies to anything

[neat linden]

nychthemeron is also nice

i used it for mechs and it was solid

[crude geode]

Nychthemeron is like. weird tbfh

[swift wharf]

aureus

[crude geode]

it's kinda barely a spiky ball and more of a summon tbfh

[cobalt pewter]

don't mention that name in front of me

50% DR is dread

[swift wharf]

nych is the one that works like a clock right

[neat linden]

wait system bane is a spiky ball

[swift wharf]

or smth

[neat linden]

that one also wrecks

[small timber]

just use lunic eye I think imo iirc

[neat linden]

this tbh

[swift wharf]

just stack every dr debuff

[crude geode]

Nych is an objectively cool weapon, but it's classification as a spiky ball. upsets me tbh

[swift wharf]

:clueful:

[small timber]

also I just realise for the lunic eye suggestion, isnt the effect literally pointless in pre-HM?

[swift wharf]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[small timber]

most enemy dont really have dr is pre-HM

[cobalt pewter]

I think if spiky balls in general stick to platform first off it'd be fine to keep them being affected by gravity

System Bane does this

kinda

[frozen hornet]

I love system babe

[neat linden]

WoF mouth has 50% DR

also like

[cobalt pewter]

they heavily slow down when going down a platform

[swift wharf]

hit the eyes

[neat linden]

there was a lunic eye weapon pre hm

[swift wharf]

it's that easy

[neat linden]

marked magnum

it was pointless

so it was removed

[swift wharf]

marknum was found dead in miami

[frozen hornet]

I wish they just stuck on a platform indefinitely

[crude geode]

@slender void

[swift wharf]

see what I did there?

[cobalt pewter]

you're supposed to hit the eye on wof, which are way more fragile

what else you gonna hit on aureus? its metal ass? that's also 50% DR

[crude geode]

that would be fine as well

Nychthemeron just works like the sword or flower summons and it confuses me

[small timber]

aureus get hit multiple times by piercing weapons right?

so it is basically a worm boss with lower segment but also 50% DR

[swift wharf]

every weapon does half damage to him

fucked up

[small timber]

which... do not make sense

[cobalt pewter]

plus if they stick to platform they'd be an interesting way to handle sweet spotting on a rogue subclass

[small timber]

it already has high hp to compensate for being multihit

[cobalt pewter]

(other subclasses tend to have little of this)

[small timber]

and most weapon dont really hit him that often

[crude geode]

god I love differentiating between ranger subclasses

[cobalt pewter]

I love luring mobs and bosses into hitting whatever stationary shit nearby

[crude geode]

[small timber]

since I tend to use lunic eye of him (which basically reduce DR to 25%), I thought it was just about the right kill time

[swift wharf]

(let's not forget about the 40 defense I think

[neat linden]

It's quite comical really
The amount of support weapons = the amount of viable rogue dps weapons on tier

[cobalt pewter]

no way that's real

[swift wharf]

momentum capacitor

[crude geode]

I like how momentum capacitor is considered a weapon

[swift wharf]

one of my favorite weapons

[neat linden]

well

[drowsy plank]

i asked about it in the wiki chat

[neat linden]

what would it be considered as

[drowsy plank]

they said it fit

so there it is

[cobalt pewter]

the Flash is a superhero that uses speed to fuck up enemies

so they're not wrong to assume that speed is weapon

[drowsy plank]

it's not much different than the other relics tbh

[cobalt pewter]

[neat linden]

an armor? accessory? a buff, perchance?

[cobalt pewter]

item

kinda like relic of convergence

[neat linden]

there is no item category in class setups

[cobalt pewter]

cope

[crude geode]

note that relic of convergence ISN'T on that

[swift wharf]

the fact that gel is in class setups is extremely funny

[drowsy plank]

it used to be, but im pretty sure it was removed for viability reasons, not because it didnt fit

[cobalt pewter]

g od

[drowsy plank]

because lets be honest who uses deliverance for its damage lmao

[crude geode]

class setups try not to be extremely cursed challenge

[neat linden]

platinum coins

my beloved

[cobalt pewter]

true

[drowsy plank]

at least we dont have the old throwing items in the pre-Boss ranged section like Fandom used to

[swift wharf]

aughhhh

[cobalt pewter]

cat boom

[drowsy plank]

til it got locked and reverted to one of my versions they stole

[swift wharf]

fr tho gel got me like

[drowsy plank]

it do be an ammo tho

[swift wharf]

I mean if you need class setups to know that flamethrowers use gel then please seek medical assistance

[neat linden]

add "HP" as ammo

(for blood boiler)

[drowsy plank]

no

[swift wharf]

Pardon me I was about to use HP for all previous flamethrowers 🧐

[cobalt pewter]

wouldn't be hard to add a footnote for most flamethrowers that says "yes, these only use gel, that's why they're not in class setups"

[drowsy plank]

i used to have fairies listed under the buff section to use with the fairy boots lmao

[swift wharf]

crystyl crusher is also there

[drowsy plank]

wait what the fuck???

who added these

this isnt what this section is for

[swift wharf]

it's a weapon wdym

[neat linden]

ah yes

let's add pickaxes to "All Classes" for all of class setups

[drowsy plank]

dude literally said "this is probably going to get reverted" like yeah no duh

[neat linden]

also axes, hammers

[swift wharf]

tbf it has the beam

grax isn't in setups smh biased wiki

[cobalt pewter]

grax, the tool that actually gives buffs, aren't listed, but crystyl crusher, just a fucking glorified pickaxe?

incredible

anyways we drifting into wiki talk real quick

[swift wharf]

um umm

[grim tusk]

Grax the tool that is also a true melee weapon

[crude geode]

hey storm thoughts on hell's sun

[grim tusk]

:nuclearoption:

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[grim tusk]

Im surprised it DID NOT get deleted

At least I used Sylvan slasher

That shit was used by no one

[crude geode]

it's almost like sticky balls are kinda bad in an environment with no crowd control niches

[grim tusk]

God’s paranoia, system bane, poison pack, sticky spike, Burning strife, Metal monstrosity, Nychotomeron

[crude geode]

nychthemeron is more a summoner weapon than anything else

[cobalt pewter]

I tried messing with Hell's Sun vs provi

hell nah

immediately went back to the other handful rogue weapons at that tier

[grim tusk]

Maybe I could just triple its dmg

[crude geode]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

g o d

[grim tusk]

Actually x3 would not be enough

[crude geode]

[neat linden]

Just kill it tbh

No one would miss it

[cobalt pewter]

there is no guillotine emote

damn you Discord

but yes

[crude geode]

why is it that when I type :kill: this fucker shows up

🤹

[neat linden]

how

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[crude geode]

truly what I wanted discord

[cobalt pewter]

clearly

[neat linden]

this person secretly wants to kill you

[grim tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-guilty-gear-strive-guilty-gear-baiken-ramlethal-gif-25551220

[safe oasis]

me when i become 😱 emoji

[crude geode]

anyways I like this suggestion it makes spiky balls less similar to other rogue weapons (god's paranoia is kinda just. homing rogue weapon #25837)

[grim tusk]

(Burning strife )

[crude geode]

what's a burning strife

[neat linden]

a fairly good weapon i think

[crude geode]

people only fight goblin invasion except to trigger goblin spawning

[grim tusk]

Rogue spikeball that is just a thrown projectile, pre-mech

Quite good weapon

[crude geode]

I like how it shares very little qualities with spike balls

[grim tusk]

I literally just placed that we should do something about Hell’s sun on dev and the first response i get is “What is hell’s sun”.
Shows how forgettable it is. So forgettable that we forgor to delete it

[crude geode]

dsnsadjansadjdsjndajsdas

I love how deleting hell's sun spawned from a convo about rogue having no options post-ml

[swift wharf]

but but the 2 hell sun fans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crude geode]

to fix this problem, we are now going to delete (TECHNICALLY, it's a really bad one) one of your options post ml

[neat linden]

it's not an option

you should not use it

[cobalt pewter]

g od tbh

[neat linden]

ever

remove hell's sun, add a 2nd ml drop and a 2nd elemental weapon

problem solved

[drowsy plank]

it's like saying throwing knives are a viable ranged option

you could delete them and no one would even notice

because they're just that bad

[swift wharf]

fuck a second ml drop

2nd elemental wep would be better

[drowsy plank]

why not both

[swift wharf]

because it would come with a rework already

[neat linden]

elemental bomb is still an idea i love

[crude geode]

what

[neat linden]

Would probably upgrade into an exo weapon like its boomerang counterpart
Fills a lack of weapons on tier
Explodes

[swift wharf]

elemental weps are getting a rework and they're cool

(see ark)

you add another ele
it comes with a free rework

[crude geode]

oh I thought you were talking about the 2nd ml drop coming reworked and got confused

I forgot about the whole ele rework

[drowsy plank]

@waxen pine #suggestions-discussion message

[grim tusk]

@drowsy plank add that it could also be another elemental weapon since rogue also lacks those

[waxen pine]

oh kek

i thought i checked everywhere

deleted

[drowsy plank]

ok fair point, but that means ill just need to straight up revise it a bit lmao, but yeah good idea

[crude geode]

both would be nice

[drowsy plank]

okay i think

that should work

small tweak but effective

[grim tusk]

Also Celestial reaper stealth is also one I should buff

[hollow shell]

Maybe "post Moon Lord" could be reworded to "directly after Moon Lord" so people don't think you're talking about the whole last 1/3 of progression?

[bright crag]

New Calamity Zenith

Ark of the Cosmos:

[crude geode]

#help-advice-read-pins

[frosty trellis]

Techically it's Exoblade but y'all keep forgetting to make it good

Also Ark is BAD rn

[drowsy plank]

better?

[hollow shell]

Yes much better thank you

[fossil finch]

except they just reworked it

and ark isnt bad

sounds like a skill issue to me,.,

[swift wharf]

me when the weapon doesnt get a 1 minute killtime

[frosty trellis]

It's about as good as Dragon Pow on SCal

Spine and Photon are a minute faster

And Ark got nerfed a lot

[swift wharf]

the technically post scal weapon is good on scal

wait I misread it I am stupid

[bright crag]

Ark will be buffed next update

And I dunno, I feel like Exoblade is just Terratomere + a bunch of random swords

Ark of the Cosmos is the combination of two very unique and special sword lines

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair enough

[fossil finch]

literally no sword has a dash or a fucking m2 m1 combo what

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[fossil finch]

ok maybe oathblade exists but exo is a charge

oh its about the recipe

what does that have to do crying

[bright crag]

Attunement and sword parry mechanics are exclusive to Biome Blade and Ark lines

And Exoblade is the final sword
I just don't see its components as remarkable, outside of Terratomere

[fossil finch]

ok but thats its components

exoblade has a dash and a combo mechanic that technically only the ark line has and its different because it relies on parrying

this wasnt about its components

crying about these suggs

[keen drum]

in the nicest way possible can we ban zenith suggestions

also i wish ark and biome blade led to different swords

rn exoblade recipe seems all over the place

[cobalt rose]

terraria fans really be obsessed with zenithification

[drowsy plank]

it technically already is lol

[grim tusk]

Terrafication too

[sand ermine]

@obtuse bolt wrong format

sugg also doesnt really make sense

it would be better if you submitted two screenshots, first one being the close up and the other being zoomed out too

[obtuse bolt]

alr, sorry, I'll resubmit

[sand ermine]

you could also just edit the original message

and delete the other one

[swift wharf]

i am struggling to see what is wrong with the image

[sand ermine]

me too

[hollow shell]

Sounds like adding those in to Exoblade's component weps might be a worthwhile idea

Backwards feature-adding, kinda like Ornate Shield being given a dash to justify Asgard's Valor having it

[swift wharf]

oh I see it now

[sand ermine]

i could go ingame and get a zoomed out shot but im doing chores right now

[swift wharf]

this would be really cool because 2 of the materials are really fucking boring

[swift wharf]

yeah I see it now

[sand ermine]

its a looted lab but you get the point

[ruby plover]

Should the lunic eye suggestion be exclaimed?

Do they know about marked magnum

[swift wharf]

I hate it here

[distant gyro]

is le dead

there's a reason marked magnum doesn't exist phm

there's no value to using it

enemies/bosses have too little or no DR at that point

[hollow shell]

byeah

@slender void Which bosses during PreHM have DR to reduce with Marked For Death?

[obtuse bolt]

wait, you can add attachments to edited messages?

[sand ermine]

nope

[obtuse bolt]

that's what I thought

[sand ermine]

just like

[obtuse bolt]

then ye, I'll just resubmit

[sand ermine]

wait

just

you can get the link for an attachment by posting it, right clicking on it, clicking copy link and pasting it over onto your suggestion

[obtuse bolt]

true

good idea

[hollow shell]

You can add a link to an image, but that won't embed it in the voting channel

People will have to click it

[sand ermine]

its a worthy compromise to make a suggestion more understandable though

[hollow shell]

Example

[obtuse bolt]

So, should I resubmit or edit the message?

[sand ermine]

edit it

[keen zodiac]

i don't think the suggestion will get anywhere

[sand ermine]

yeah me too

[obtuse bolt]

got it

[sand ermine]

it only affects like, a small portion of people from what im seeing

i dont think people are going to lose sleep over it

[hollow shell]

It's easy to miss but it's also easy to fix

[frail mantle]

i mean to be fair the singular most starred suggestion ever was to flip the icicle arrow's item sprite 180 degrees

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[obtuse bolt]

fixed it

[golden kayak]

Isnt provi almost invulnerable when in cocoon

[calm siren]

small hitbox and is incredibly annoying to land
can't goomba stomp like with roxcalibur
FIFTY damage and class locked?????
remember what they took from you. I just want to be ballin wit da moon shoes

i just want gravistar sabaton to be good

[fossil finch]

they never took anything away from anyone it was always bad

also im pretty sure it doesnt deal rogue damage are you sure youre on wiki gg

[calm siren]

this the one?

[fossil finch]

it is not

use wiki.gg

[calm siren]

ok thx

also 300

[drowsy plank]

300 is like

decent

still a bad item tho

[fossil finch]

300 is decent and it would be a good item if its other problems were fixed

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[golden kayak]

I never used it, what are its problems

[crude geode]

cooldown

[drowsy plank]

well uh

has a cooldown

[crude geode]

also slime mount being a better version of it that doesn’t take an accessory slot

[drowsy plank]

which makes it worse than:
-roxcalibur
-normality relocator
-the slime mounts (qs gives flight too)
-literally just holding s

[lucid flare]

also probably portal gun

[drowsy plank]

very true

[lucid flare]

wait did anyone test that thing

because by the way its worded only the explosion has a cooldown

[crude geode]

Wait holding s increases fall speed now

[fossil finch]

acceleration only

[crude geode]

Wacky

[cobalt pewter]

afaik it's the fall with the cd

there has been a couple sabaton buff sugs but as expected none went to dev

[median geyser]

not sure if I phrased my suggestion very well, pls give feedback on how to improve it

[drowsy plank]

seems... fine i guess

[median geyser]

idk, i think whips have spoiled me too much

[grim tusk]

Unless ;)

Totally agree that sabaton needs a fat buff

[fossil finch]

coping with end all accs

like it is fishing

but still coping

[grim tusk]

I’d rather have a later upgrade that does that on post-ml

Like Omega Tackle Box Station

If only fishing was more important though

[cobalt pewter]

or interesting

[cobalt pewter]

but yes

[zealous oriole]

fishing being a station sort of thing rather than accessories is so useful. your fishing pool is going to be in one spot anyways so carrying all your fishing gear in your inventory is a lil clunky

[oblique geyser]

There should be more items obtainable through only fishing

Especially post Moon Lord

Fishing just falls off

[drowsy plank]

agree

[grim tusk]

Then people would whine that they need to fish as its unfun atm

[drowsy plank]

that is also true

the absolute state of fishing

[oblique geyser]

Not only obtainable by fishing, obtainable by only fishing

[cobalt pewter]

no, not without a fishing rework it won't

fishing is inherently an unfun slog

it's a good alternative, but in its current state, it shouldn't have anymore exclusives

[drowsy plank]

i think they mean more items like floodtide

which CAN be fished up

[oblique geyser]

Yes

[drowsy plank]

but is also craftable

[oblique geyser]

I mean like stuff like adding more crafting materials to crates

[cobalt pewter]

god

English is hard

but in that case, it's a good way to do it

[sand ermine]

what does /gldevice:OpenGL do in tmod's launch commands

i forgot

[safe oasis]

if they don't want to fish then they shouldn't go for the items that you need to fish for

there are so many options

[grim tusk]

Makes you use OpenGL for graphics which usually improves performance

/gldevice:Vulkan also exists but I do not recommend it

[sand ermine]

interesting

im assuming terraria and tmod use something like directx?

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell may I get a ping to whoever donated the dumbbell

[sand ermine]

Chaotic Reks

thats whats on the wiki

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, not here apparently

they might have a different username

[sand ermine]

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

which is why I asked rover in the first place

he has the complete list

[sand ermine]

i was just trying to help yk

[cobalt pewter]

[hollow shell]

I don't really think permission is required for this one

But I will get them regardless

Oh.

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[hollow shell]

I'll just let it slide then

It's not really asking for a functionality change

Just
being more informative as you say

[sand ermine]

[drowsy plank]

i love donor items!!!! i love being unable to change anything about a vital part of game balance because people volatilely change their online personas!!!!

[unique vector]

are you okay

[cobalt pewter]

god

[frosty trellis]

Cog is fine

Just upset

[drowsy plank]

it was mostly a joke lol

it's a message format people use pretty often on here so i didnt expect the reaction to be any different

at most im like

mildly annoyed

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[small timber]

@lyric depot isnt the spacing thing literally the point of the mode? otherwise it will just be a yoyo

I will argue the problem is more that lamentation do not have enough reward (dps) to justify the player trying to go for perfect spacing to maximize using the mode

in fact, I am not even sure lamentation being hard to use is even true, since its main thing is it is very easy to use which is why it do not really have more reward

[cobalt pewter]

imagine skill issue

[lyric depot]

True, but it’s hard to adjust to the new playstyle of the mode

I’m not used to this type of thing

[small timber]

but ya, tldr is still this ^

as the weapon already have other modes that are more adjustable to short/medium range, there is really no reason to make specifically this mode to be adjustable

to certain degree all modes of biome blade are to deal with different situation (or in iban's word, comboing them together)

so ya, I really think it is more of the fact that lamentation dont have enough reward for maintaining the spacing, and less that the spacing itself is an issue

(also true biome blades' really bad progression probably resulted in this)

true biome blade is post-deus due to astral bar, and at post-ML you have the ark which deals about 5x more damage

so true biome blade is literally only usable on moon lord and only moon lord

[lyric depot]

That’s true ngl

[small timber]

since last time I accidently used true biome blade on pbg, duke and ravager etc (since I confused it as post-Plantera), and it was perfect

those bosses have a lot of medium range spacing which makes using lamentation a lot easier

[lyric depot]

Ok, so maybe just have an adjustable range but it only at a distance so it can’t retract to a certain point

[small timber]

that can work too, I guess (so basically have a "minimum distance")

but ya imo it is more of other problems than the mode itself

[lyric depot]

Sure ok then

That’s fair

[swift wharf]

this really does sound like a skill issue

[tardy smelt]

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-voting message people are really asking for Marked Magnum 2 🗿

[crude geode]

people love placebo effects

[drowsy plank]

true!

[cobalt pewter]

true true

[neat linden]

marked magnum was removed for a reason

[knotty cove]

I wonder if it is possible to add new difficulties when creating a world? Would be cool if you could choose Revengeance and Death there. Not saying that they should remove items tho, maybe just change the way of getting them

[frosty trellis]

Fairly certain that suggestion was already rejected

[drowsy plank]

actually it failed in voting

default expert got rejected tho

#suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[novel belfry]

(Incomplete Suggestion, need advice to finish sugg)
Make Astrum Aureus's attacks easier to understand

After a few discussions regarding the boss in question in #suggestions-discussion, I have come to this conclusion: Astrum Aureus is not a fun fight... for the average player. While experts can probably move around the boss with ease thanks to having a good understanding of Aureus's behavior, this behavior isn't properly communicated to the average player whatsoever. This results in two things:

1. Aureus's jumps are supposed to be dodged by going under Aureus. Although this sounds like the easiest thing to understand, Aureus jumps in a particular fashion that confuses the player, especially when they usually dodged similar bosses by running the same direction over and over again.
2. The intended way to fight an Aureus Spawn is to have them collide with blocks. This is, however, not easy for the average player to realize, since they won't stop

[small timber]

Abit late, but from my experience the only really big problem with the fight is just the homing crystal

The jump is the easier part of the fight, aureus spawn is annoying but if you dont have to deal with random off screen homing crystal then the spawn are easy to deal with too

And cant you just dodge the jump by running in one direction? I am pretty sure that still works

When you get hit is more when you either are very far away which cause the jump to act weirdly or when you are at an elevation above aureus

[frail mantle]

aureus drifts towards you if you try to run away from him after he jumps

however he can't really turn around in midair all that well

hence you're supposed to go under him when he jumps

the problem expressed in the suggestion is that this is never communicated well to the player

[small timber]

I remembered you can just run in 1 direction if you dont have high movement speed, but ya I cant turn on tmod right now so cant confirm

[novel belfry]

ohyeah, do not forget the homing crystals

[small timber]

For the jump yeah as rover said previously maybe a jet flame kinda visual can work, though for the aureus spawn I am unsure how to make it easily tellable that you are supposed to bait it into blocks

[novel belfry]

that's why I instead proposed to rework the spawn

it's not easy to tell players, "BAIT THEM INTO BLOCKS" with aureus spawn

it might be better to change them into something easier to understand

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Aureas is a bitch to understand as a newer player

[golden kayak]

Diseased Pike is underwhelming compared to Vulcanite lance in basically every aspect

[frosty trellis]

Can always ping Xyk if you feel that way since he is the main Melee tester

[swift wharf]

@native nebula maybe it's just me but this sounds like you're comparing giant squids to colossal squids and saying that they're stronger than the colossal ones

also cuttlefish drop ink bomb because they produce ink

(they're not actually fish

[native nebula]

Ohhhh okay
But yeah no I'm saying the giant squids are stronger than cuttlefish

Lemme fix that

[obtuse bolt]

The giant squids do drop ink bombs, at least that's what it says on the wiki

If it doesn't, then that explains why my grinding was getting nowhere

[native nebula]

If you're looking at the fandom wiki it's incorrect

That or you're confusing them for the Colossal Squid

[obtuse bolt]

There are 2 wikis?

Oh...

that was a fun hour...

[native nebula]

Yeaaaahhh the fandom wiki is hella outdated and frequently vandalized

Stick to the one at wiki.gg

[hollow shell]

We sure get a lot of suggestions about the shield-bash debuff issue, huh

[worn salmon]

i assume its a bug

[worthy lintel]

it is an oversight

and its getting real annoying

dog is mentionned here but its significantly worse on yharon

[worn salmon]

inb4 a new sugg rules drops about that

[frosty trellis]

YEAH TELL ME ABOUT IT