suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

It's a lil funky cuz

You need to actually have an NPC be housing in the Crag, with a sufficient level of happiness, for them to sell the Pylon

But the actual Pylon itself, after being placed, has full functionality without requiring any nearby NPCs

So you'd only place NPCs down there temporarily to get the happiness, place the pylon, then move them back to their proper homes

[radiant meadow]

No, the player just needs to be in the crag for the pylon to be sold

[hollow shell]

Is that so?

[radiant meadow]

the crags pylon doesn't check happiness

the other pylons do

I think in the current update travelling merchant and skeleton merchant can sell it if they're in the crags

but that is fixed for next update

[hollow shell]

Alright neato

That's good then

[radiant meadow]

the other pylons should be sold and function as expected

[frosty trellis]

So, if the devs are removing stuff to make more quality gear then quantity, why are there 14 post dog melee weapons

[radiant meadow]

hmm the crags pylon does not mention anything about not needing any NPCs in its tooltip

its nonexistent tooltip

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[drowsy plank]

real

[radiant meadow]

oh nvm it does

[frosty trellis]

But seriously, I am baffled here

[radiant meadow]

the tooltip must just be in another function

[half sage]

do the master mode light pets not provide light in the abyss or do they just not have their tooltips updated

[radiant meadow]

wow this is so contradictory

[radiant meadow]

abyss light was not updated for 1.4 stuff

I can look into updating it this week maybe

[half sage]

aight cool thanks

went reaper tooth farming with pumpking pet and wondered why it felt so dark, then I saw its tooltip

[drowsy plank]

there's a lot of EVERYTHING post-DoG tbh

literally second most bloated tier behind plantera tbh

[frosty trellis]

At least post plant makes sense with so many things opening up

But fair enough ig

I'm just looking through them and just sitting here like why does there NEED to be so many

[swift wharf]

your honor

donor items

[drowsy plank]

amalgam could be moved to provi tier with no changes rn lmao

[half sage]

partly because it's a whole pool of stuff that used to be either post DOG or post p1 yharon that got merged into one pool when p1 yharon died and became post DOG

[radiant meadow]

There's 11 melee weapons post dog it looks like to me
3 are donor weapons

nvm

I missed galaxia essence flayer and devil's devastation

and smasher and enforcer

why do they cost more ugh

[swift wharf]

melee moment

[radiant meadow]

I fixed sell prices next update 😭

[undone cedar]

Yeah honestly post dog melee definitely has too many weapons for anyone to reasonably use

[swift wharf]

me when the excelsus, enforcer and stream gouge

[drowsy plank]

this is why we need distortion biome so bad on god

[small timber]

Still waiting for the double potion diration effect on amalgam to be moved

[drowsy plank]

@small mortar sounds like a "too much effort" sugg, not to mention having literally no direction. this is so vauge and unhelpful as a sugg rn lmao. we've made plenty of suggs about post plant content but u gotta be a bit more specific cause like.

i think they know

[small timber]

Since the effect is very useful, but currently it comes post-DoG kind of too late and also is stucked on a literal 15% avenger emblem

[drowsy plank]

wait what revives are you stacking with silva?? fucking permafrost?? lmfao

[small timber]

And ya, balance suggestions are made by pinging testers

[worthy lintel]

the fact you have a revive to begin with is already very strong on its own ngl

[small timber]

(though not sure if this count as 'balance suggestions')

[worthy lintel]

exclamating because dude, you didnt list any weapons

[small timber]

Silva is one time and other revive (I assume concoction and nebulous core?) Have a cd, so it doesnt make sense to burn silva first

You probably want nebulous core to be used first since it can recover, then silva then concoction (since that one restrict movement)

The suggestion make the case of "continuously getting hit", but the completely opposite where you only get hit by 1 big hit, having silva proc first is awful

[hollow shell]

(Silva is a 5 minute cooldown now instead of per-life)

[small timber]

@half imp ^

[worthy lintel]

cooldwn that doesnt progress when a boss is alive either

🥹

[small timber]

I think silva specifically mention that its CD dont decrease on event and boss?

Ya

[worthy lintel]

also permafrost concoction doesnt count

this item is a meme

[frosty trellis]

1. Greatsword Of Blah
2. Excelsus
3. Cosmic Discharge
4. Prismatic Breaker
5. Phaseslayer
6. Scourge of the cosmos
7. The Enforcer
8. Devil's Devastation
9. Cosmic Shiv
10. Galaxy Smasher
11. Nadir
12. Stream Gouge
13. Galaxia
14. Empyreon Knives

[drowsy plank]

permafrost is cool stop making fun of it >=(

[small timber]

Concoction is unironically useful because of the stats it give I think

[drowsy plank]

correct

[worthy lintel]

its a good meme but its still a meme

[half imp]

personally the bosses don't often live long enough for core to cool down

[worthy lintel]

[drowsy plank]

i used it on a mage playthrough it was unironically good

[half imp]

Unless I die at the very beginning

[small timber]

A bunch of mana stuff, you can kinda use it to replace mana flower for a good amount of HM

[half imp]

so I'd rather the safety net

[worthy lintel]

but concoction is a stat stick with a safety net that has a chance of not working

nothing too special

[small timber]

Then when you get better at the fight the silva proc first behaviour will only be a hinderance

[frosty trellis]

Only reason I know this is because I wanted to have some fun and try everything but The Enforcer out on Yharon lol

[small timber]

Since it become impossible to save silva when you desperately need it, since it is always used up first

[half imp]

in all the bosses we have rn generally the only time I'd "desperately need it" is the only time I'm dying anyway

so core doesn't help at all

[worthy lintel]

nebulous core...

[half imp]

Since it'll just burn then Silva almost right away

[small timber]

You want the nebulous core (I assume, since revive are rare now) proc first on, lets say you get hit by scal BH1

In that case core might even go off cooldown, and you.will save silva revive for important moment to say Bh5

[drowsy plank]

why does concoction not just work like crown jewel

why only poison, fire, or brimflames...

[small timber]

But the change to make silva proc first will instead just make it get proc on BH1 and suddenly you die at BH5

[radiant meadow]

because permafrost didn't want to waste so much magic on a pitiful fool such as yourself for more debuff immunities

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Based

[half imp]

Bh1 being the most dense makes it the most likely to get hit multiple times right away anyway

[drowsy plank]

it's not even immunities it's just a lil bonus regen

[half imp]

Burning both and ruining you

[drowsy plank]

like it's not even one of its better effects...

if it actually made you immune id be fine with it cause like

that's expansive

[half imp]

basically I find that often times unless yeah I get hit in BH1 my dodges/core never will recharge anyway in a fight

[drowsy plank]

but rn it's just

why

[small timber]

When you are new to the fight it is often the case, but when you get better and get hit a lot less the change will be strictly worse in almost everyway

[half imp]

well

not really?

[small timber]

Core cooldown is 90seconds iirc, it is quite fast

[half imp]

once you're better you'll be hit less and not have time for core to cooldown

at least on summoner 90 sec is basically a whole fight

maybe not scal bc of BH

and Silva is only on summoner and mage

[small timber]

Most fight at that time are balanced around a way higher fight time, your experience is just summoner being broken

Yharon is around 5 minutes, scal 5:30/6? (I am unsure), exo is even 6:30/7 I think

Which is why nebulous core having a cooldown and proc first before silva is that much more important, since silva is once per boss fight

You want to save it until the moment where you are stucked/cornered and have nothing else that can save you, instead of having it proc on random attack you received early in the fight

[frosty trellis]

Yharon is 4:05
SCal is 5:00
Exos is 6:00

[small timber]

Wait 4 minutes, what eas greatsword of judgement blah time again

[frosty trellis]

Also I find it funny that the reworked exo blade is about as good as dragon pow and ataraxia

[frosty trellis]

Greatsword of Blah was 2:50 from you iirc

And yeah, Xyk knows it's strong

Very strong

[half imp]

yeah but it makes sense to keep in mind what tools are had and the use cases

[small timber]

Comedic

[frosty trellis]

But yeah

Summoner is currently just extremely broken because Saros hasn't been nerfed and needs a rebalance

Saros is just ungodly op

[small timber]

Silva is a much more important tool compare to one time revive

[half imp]

maybe idk

I just have found me always wanting to use Silva first

[small timber]

But ya, I am just here to convince you that the suggestion might have the exact opposite of making it worse for the player

But ya, the suggestion itself is valid if you want to go through with it

[half imp]

the only times I die anyway I'll be getting hit at least twice quickly

In my experience

ofc it varies

and if summoner is getting their DPS cut in like, half or worse than yeah if the revive makes more sense the other way

[small timber]

Summoner is more because of post-DoG summoners being generally imbalanced

[half imp]

bc if you can get like 2-3 cores off in a fight while still having a damage build it makes wayy more sense than silva

[half imp]

yeah for sure

[small timber]

If you are using saros possession, it is a bugged weapon which may contribute to why the fight time you experience is extremely short

[half imp]

even with like, nerfed mechworm it still is fast

stuff like kindle isn't

but mechworm beat exos in less than 1:30 iirc for me

(solo mechworm)

[small timber]

Mechworm I think is also another bugged weapon since it just deal several.times dps since the 1.4 port, though that one I am less sure is caused by a bug

[half imp]

they nerfed it already

So idk I assume now it's more towards the intended balance

although I bet it's getting nerfed vs Thanatos

bc 150+k DPS on Thanatos is insane

[small timber]

Ya for reference 1:30 is no way near normal, people beat exo on 2:30 o a nohitter setup

[half imp]

but a lot of classes melt Thanatos

[small timber]

Aka full dps always adrenaline

[half imp]

to be fair nohitter has min times

so like

You don't want full dps

kill it too fast you're disqualified

[small timber]

It is still the expected dps, but ya tldr is just summoner cant really be used for reference of how long a fight should last

[half imp]

yeah my point is summoner is half of the equation for Silva

so it makes sense for summoner's strength to be factored in

would be coolest if the order was toggleable somehow though

[small timber]

The tldr is eventually when summoner is toned down to a more reasonable level to other classes, fight will last longer

And at that time the cooldown based revive suddenly become usable multiple time per fight, instead of just 1 time

[half imp]

idk how you'd choose order of Silva vs core

but core vs permafrost's would be from slot number

[small timber]

Generally core first since you can recover it, so lets say you get hit by 1 big hit, proc core revive, if you continue to dodge you might sustain until core comes backup providing another revive

In this case silva is saved until the moment where you cannot dodge at all (eg, scal Bh5 which has a lot of projectiles)

Having silva proc first in this case will just mean you.have only a 1 time revive for bh5 which means death

[slender void]

Is it intentional that titanium crates drop tier 2 and 3 hardmode bars pre-mechs?

[frosty trellis]

Huh, this is what I'm getting but I also don't use the hug strat (And my laptop LAGS while doing this fight)

Specifically with Gsob

Oh wait my accessories aren't reforged lmaoooo

[small timber]

I think my accessories are slightly offensively aligned though, or rather balanced but offensively aligned

(and I basically have max buffs except alcohols)

[frosty trellis]

1 quick, 3 warding, 3 menacing

Buffs + Cirrus candles

[small timber]

(or it is just attack speed)

you are not on master mode right?

I will just record a fight to see if anything is strange

[frosty trellis]

Yep

Expert-Revengence

Also, you do realize The Sponge is the upgrade of the Absorber you can get right?

[small timber]

I think I accidently did it on death (but shouldn't matter too much, since yharon get stunlocked by phase transition anyway)

I think I used sponge but I wrote absorber

[frosty trellis]

And I'm redoing it using a more running style strat since that's what I'm used to with reforged accessories this time!

[small timber]

for some reason absorber always sounds like the upgrade of sponge to me, for some reason

[frosty trellis]

Same here

Tbf

Also I didn't know the sponge existed on my first pt so I was using The Absorber on SCal

But yeah, going to be using that loadout to test 13 of the 14 melee weapons on Yharon (Because true melee will require a completely different build and I am not up for attempting to true melee Yharon ever) So yeah

Also, I find it funny that I had Exoblade with a 5:18 on SCal and Dragon Pow with a 5:16 and Ataraxia with a 5:18

[small timber]

okI think yharon is easier to kill on death than rev (in terms of killtime, I mean it is shorter)

but ya, let me post it

[frosty trellis]

OH MY GOD

Reforging helps

And reducing the lag on my computer helps

[small timber]

this list right? I will just try them since I have the time

[frosty trellis]

That's the 13 that aren't true melee yeah

I'm trying it out myself

[small timber]

oh you didnt reforge the weapon itself? or accessories only

[frosty trellis]

I didn't reforge my accessories

And then that just cut it down by a minute lmao

Probably also because more used to the weapon now but yeah

Time for the next weapon on the list: Excelsus

[small timber]

bruh I compressed the mp4 and it is just above 100mb, sec

[frosty trellis]

It's oke

And also make sure you're fighting at night if using c.shell. Helps kek

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOFT3xbvTH0 1) greastword of blah

[frosty trellis]

5% death while trying excelsus ;-;

[small timber]

dynamo stem cell helps a lot, but ya probably a bit too late to switch now since you done blah already

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I like my build anyways

Not giving up anything

[small timber]

(also what did you use to track dps number, mine was broken)

[frosty trellis]

Especially rampart

Rampart of the deities my beloved

[frosty trellis]

Caltesthelper

Grabbed the most recent version from the nohit doc

[small timber]

👍

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Died as I killed yharon but yharon is infact, dead

Excelsus seems fine

Now for cosmic discharge, this is going to be fun ;-;

[cobalt pewter]

not at all, it's a known bug

[slender void]

I see

[frosty trellis]

If you see this xpc I'm skipping discharge bc it's basically a true melee weapon so I'm good. Might skip stream gouge as well but that's much later

[small timber]

ok I think I might found the problem, my caltesthelper had a config of "storing lifetime death stats" or something turned on

[frosty trellis]

Ah, fair enough

Also, Prismatic breaker needs a serious buff

[small timber]

ok apparently that is not the problem, so probably mod conflict

ok even with literally everything turnt off except caltesthelper and calamity mod it still show the wrong number, I should just reinstall

[frosty trellis]

Using left click here, will see about right click

1:33% Death with prismatic breaker r.click ;-;

[small timber]

ok I give up, I have no idea why my caltesthelper refuse to show proper dps, I reinstalled and even disabled every mod except calamity and caltesthelper

[frosty trellis]

That's wild

Just do it with only nycros for now ig

I'm just malding rn bc prismatic breaker is bad

But i can't actually kill Yharon with r.click to show it's bad

[small timber]

nycro dont show dps numbers, kill time is already correct even with caltesthelper

but ya, no dps number is a lot more inaccurate, at least for me

[frosty trellis]

L.click will never happen

[small timber]

I will try it later, I will just use the weapons you didnt use, used a lot of time trying to fix caltesthelper so cant try everything

[frosty trellis]

L.click will be a 7 minute kill if we use this for reference

[frosty trellis]

I've only used Blah, Excelsus, Discharge (which isn't happening bc it's basically a true melee weapon) and both primatic breaker l.click and right click

Start from the bottom of the list

I'm bound to get a prismatic breaker kill eventually

[small timber]

I will try discharge first then start bottom

[frosty trellis]

Kk

Also I hate Yharon even more now and it's only Rev aaaaaaa

I wish I could use The Community over RTN ;-;

[small timber]

cosmic discharge 3:10, it is extremely strong when you can hit it

so ya, true mele weapon principle (but at least easier to use than true melee)

[small timber]

(let me just tag the list again it is easier for me to find it)

[frosty trellis]

I hate Yharon so much now. My ram not working randomly sucks

[small timber]

I will just edit this message so I dont spam the channel
3. Cosmic discharge - 3:10 (basically true melee, stonk when can hit)

5. Phaseslayer - 5:45 ("just get better mouse")

6. The Enforcer - 4:01 (standard true melee weapon, true potential should be higher since I dont have true melee strat)

7. Devil's Devastation - 3:04 (contender for strongest post-DoG melee weapon)

8. Cosmic Shiv - 8:03 (I think the idea of this weapon is that it is exceptional for stationary target, too bad yharon is invincible/increased DR during bullet hell and flare ring now)

9. Galaxy Smasher - 3:47 (basically also semi-true melee weapon, but with better payout)

10. Nadir - 6:35 (easy to use just also 0 dps)

11. Stream Gouge - 6:01 (feels like a god awful version of yoyo, probably should give like galaxia left click holding burst on release attack)

12. Galaxia skipped (different mode deal significantly different damage)

13. Empyreon Knife - 4:35 (for a healing weapon this is strong)

14. The Obliterator - 6:50 (dps lmao, and since yoyo bag decrease dps I didn't change setup)

[frosty trellis]

1. Greatsword Of Blah: 3:20 (overtuned to shit)

2. Excelsus: 3:58 (Mostly fine, just requires a little aim and the lingering projectiles help)

4a. Prismatic Breaker Left Click: 3:28 at 48% remaining, unviable on Yharon (Beam does no damage for having to charge it back up every 3-4 seconds)

4b: Prismatic Breaker Right Click: 4:58 (Small projectile, not much damage to compensate)

6. Scourge Of The Cosmos: 6:32 (Even with the walls to take advantage of it's effect it's damage is so, so bad)

[small timber]

oh right the list is missing obliterator, I will add it as 15.

[frosty trellis]

Oh LOL. I forget yoyos exist

Prismatic Breaker r.click is making me want to enable godmode so bad

I'm so sick of this weapon. It's not stream gouge bad but it's just... gah

[cobalt pewter]

@shadow spindle no specific items in here

[shadow spindle]

where do i post them

[cobalt pewter]

nowhere

read the pins

[hollow shell]

(also according to Wikipedia, Everclear has greater alcohol-by-volume than Absinthe, and Cirrus already sells Everclear)

[shadow spindle]

oh i thought absinthe was the strongest

i still think an item named fabsinthe would be cool though

Fabsol's vodka just isn't good enough imo

[hollow shell]

You can simply suggest that Fabsol's Vodka get renamed to that

[shadow spindle]

oh

[frosty trellis]

@small timber Phaseslayer is true melee, I would appreciate you doing that for me since I am bad at Yharon as is

[small timber]

ya, I will do enforcer too

I will do enforcer and phaseslayer and done, since only scourge left, unless you want me to do prismatic

[frosty trellis]

I got prismatic done

I will do Scourge

[small timber]

(how did no one talk about devil's devastation, it is almost as strong as blah)

[frosty trellis]

Because most people forgot it exists

And the fact it's the last of the oathsword line which is getting reworked anyways

[small timber]

@hollow sapphire specific item suggestion is a dont

[hollow sapphire]

Ah

[distant gyro]

[golden tulip]

you dont need to ping a mod everytime a bad suggestion is made you know

[hollow sapphire]

Well I think it would be cool and I know I don't have the coding knowledge for that

[small timber]

ok I need higher mouse sensitivity for phaseslayer

[golden tulip]

you just deleted the message. rover still got pinged

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[distant gyro]

epic ghost ping

[small timber]

ok my part done

I already had ranger from previous test so just wait for someone to cover mage, summoner and rogue

ranger is here
(too bad caltesthelper refuse to work now)

[frosty trellis]

Finished mine. Turned on godmode to see what phaseslayer was about and god jesus the projectile is oracle bad

[small timber]

I gived up using the true melee part and just move mouse as fast as possible to spam the proj, it still surprisingly deal damage

[frosty trellis]

Prismatic Breaker Left click is skipped because it's just horribly bad

Horribly, horribly, horribly bad

I can do mage since I do love me some good magic weapons

Time to completely shift my gear lmao

[small timber]

oh wait the ranger one I did was pre-DoG on DoG, nevermind

[frosty trellis]

Well

I don't like Ranger on Yharon

So I will stick to mage for now kek

And I've never played rogue so

[small timber]

but ya I probably will stop at melee, since "post-DoG melee bloat" was the main topic

I dont remember other class (maybe except rogue) have way too much weapon for post-DoG

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

Can like, cut out scourge, remove the shiv live for good and something else and probably would be fine

[frosty trellis]

@pastel crow Would just read here. Melee for Yharon is a complete mess

[crude geode]

what's the point of all this

[small timber]

balance suggestion except slightly longer

[pastel crow]

yea

I don't know what to tell you, this is something I knew would happen, and its not exclusive to post DoG melee weapons

[crude geode]

"slightly"

[small timber]

pre-HM night edge is still true melee right?

[frosty trellis]

It's true melee

[pastel crow]

its going to be a while before everything gets a look + adjustment, melee speed needs some major changes and a lot of melee weapons are either dogshit or OP as fuck.

[frosty trellis]

Except Excelsus, it's actually fine

[pastel crow]

*Excelsus is one of the best melee weapons for exo mechs

[frosty trellis]

I'm sorry?

[pastel crow]

its not the best on Yharon

[small timber]

@carmine lily balance suggestion are now through pinging a tester, however in this case night edge is pretty much a pure true melee weapon while lunarian bow is always usable

[frosty trellis]

It's average for yhaorn

[pastel crow]

yea

[small timber]

yeah probably something something iframe I imagine

[frosty trellis]

That's ridiculous

If I wasn't unwilling to fight exos without rippers I would give it a go rn

[small timber]

let me see if I have a auric tesla character ready

[frosty trellis]

I just use one character

Just have gear in chests and stuff

HP ends up not mattering since I die anyways

[carmine lily]

What do you mean by always usable?

[frosty trellis]

Now I need to see how many post dog mage weapons exist

[small timber]

you can just fire it without caring what enemy it is, for night's edge true melee only is inherently a hindrance

[crude geode]

I don't really see the point of all this tbh

don't we like. have testers.

(and also this is kinda the wrong chat at this point)

[frosty trellis]

Well fair

[frosty trellis]

Am I not. Allowed to do as I please with how I want to play the game?

[cobalt pewter]

meh, keeping those to your own circles is fine, just probably not in suggestions channel where the entire point is to discuss suggestions

[crude geode]

yes this ^

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Mb there

[crude geode]

hilarious

[frosty trellis]

What

Ares needs like 70% Excelsus resistance wtf

That's better than Burning Sky on Ares and that's overtuned to shit

[crude geode]

.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah I saw

Just my observation

[small timber]

7:07 on exo, main problem is just I had thanatos + twins where thanatos dont open segment while blocking proj for twins, but ya for many other phase it is more than viable

but ya I will stop here
(oh right I forgot cursed flame)

[swift frigate]

mod that would implement all suggestions from #suggestions-posting (or from #suggestions-voting those weren't implemented) when

[frail mantle]

Probably already exists

[short walrus]

So, the shittiest mod you can imagine

There have been some shockers

[swift frigate]

doubt

[distant gyro]

cataclysm when it wasn't dead

[swift frigate]

didnt cataclysm also added some additions to other mods like thorium

[frosty trellis]

@vapid musk Have you heard of rails?

And hammered platforms?

[short walrus]

Besides, iirc the Devs plan to make platform dropping smooth

[hollow shell]

Minecart rails are this, yes.

Okay nevermind he mentions it

Mounts issue

[frosty trellis]

Ohhhhh

The mount thing

Hammered platforms

Done

[hollow shell]

Can you drop through hammered platforms unimpeded? I've never tried

[frosty trellis]

With mounts I'm fairly certain

Lemme double check

[small timber]

basically if you press down while dropping through hammered platform it will just if it doesn't exist

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

you can drop over it completely freely, but it also will not reset your flight

[frosty trellis]

Which is why nohitters use them

That as well

[hollow shell]

wack

[small timber]

it is basically hoik yeah

[frosty trellis]

Just hammer them once and you're set

Lemme double check with the saddle

And shall see

Got a world with them

Since I was pissed at exo twins

Yep

Works with the saddle

[manic fractal]

I feel like the Blazing Star needs a nerf @grim tusk

For a pre mech weapon it’s stealth strike can easily hit for 1-2k per shot and it shoots 4 projectiles

On large crowds it can get like 20-30k dps isn’t this too strong for a pre mech weapon

[crude geode]

See above

[manic fractal]

@pastel crow

[eternal escarp]

seeing its rogue i wouldve pinged storm personally

[manic fractal]

Oh

[eternal escarp]

but he isnr in the list anyway

[manic fractal]

Idk which testers do what

My bad

[eternal escarp]

nono, its fine

[vagrant spindle]

out of curiosity

is there a way to become a tester?

[eternal escarp]

you wouldnt have known either way

[vagrant spindle]

or is it a trust system

[manic fractal]

Yea

[eternal escarp]

trust

[vagrant spindle]

alr

[manic fractal]

Could this weapon be tested though

[eternal escarp]

theres a voting system too but

[manic fractal]

Using it it feels way too strong for something you can get straight into hard mode

[eternal escarp]

chances are slim unless most of the team knows you

[vagrant spindle]

makes sense

[pastel crow]

It’s probably too strong, from what I’ve heard storm say

[manic fractal]

Yea

Do u know if it’s getting nerfed soon or if that could happen

[pastel crow]

Probably won’t get nerfed soon, but even if it does it’s going to be a long time before the next update, so I wouldn’t worry about it

[manic fractal]

Yeah

Is this a fair complaint tho

[pastel crow]

Yes, it is a fair complaint

[manic fractal]

Alr

Thanks

[keen zodiac]

i thought the $50 patreon tier perk was getting to be a beta tester

[eternal escarp]

its gettijg access to beta a week nefore release, not becoming tester

atpeast i think so?

most definitely not becoming an actual tester though

[cobalt pewter]

it'll be a while before rogue gets its time for full balancing

and something relatively obscure like Blazing Star will take a while to be touched

[golden kayak]

Waiting for a npc only Scal kill

[grim tusk]

Stuff can be bandaid fixed

Stuff like reworks is not available for neither rogue and summoner. Those will take quite a while

[cobalt pewter]

mmyes

[crude geode]

Very true

[cobalt pewter]

@kindred creek seems a bit too SIS-y around the end but I don't mind the general idea

[kindred creek]

sis-y?

[cobalt pewter]

uh

a bit too detailed?

I think just integrating the consumable retrieval in general should be good enough for a suggestion

[kindred creek]

made it less detailed

[cobalt pewter]

I think it's odd that Wulfrum Knife is used for Crystalline at all

the only thing they share is that they're daggers, even before Wulfrum Knife's rework

would make more sense if it's crafted with Gilded / Gleaming Daggers instead

yeah

Wulfrum Knife could do good with a brand new line but that's too much for suggestions

byeah i think that sugg should be fine now

[grim tusk]

@vapid musk sloped platforms

@hollow sapphire heresy (spell tome) is the closest you’ll get, Cinder’s of lament fires the actual full size brothers but is a summoner staff

[hollow shell]

@solid skiff You still need to add a reason to your suggestion

[solid skiff]

a forgot that

[swift wharf]

Me when no 2nd pet slot for expert and below

[solid skiff]

uh

uh

Ratio

B)

[swift wharf]

difficulties locking stuff is fucked up

[frosty trellis]

Just a pet slot

LOL

I find that funny and amazing

[hollow shell]

Master does add more pets, so.......

[frosty trellis]

Can just give it in all difficulty modes and then it would be fine

Just gives it a use overall

[swift wharf]

but I don't want to play master for more pets

[frosty trellis]

That doesn't change shit

[frosty trellis]

Cope, seethe, mald

/j

[swift wharf]

Master elitism

fr

[solid skiff]

would that be a valid reason [what i added in the suggestion]

[swift wharf]

idk why they havent removed onion from dropping on master at all

[solid skiff]

i think making stuff removed on base vanilla items is a bit trickier or harder to code

i mean difficulties

[swift wharf]

not really

[solid skiff]

not items

[swift wharf]

well maybe

they already make master stuff drop in expert rev so like

[hollow shell]

If you add to your suggestion that the pet slot would be particularly useful cuz of all the Master-exclusive pets, then

[eternal escarp]

this is ironically not that bad of an idea i think(?)

[hollow shell]

I think it'll be good

[eternal escarp]

theoretically

[swift wharf]

it is not

[frosty trellis]

It isn't bc of the master pets yeah

[eternal escarp]

idk how bitch it could be to actually make

[swift wharf]

but diff locking

oh fuck there's that

[frosty trellis]

And if you want more pets that's another buff slot gone

So there's that

[swift wharf]

adding the actual second slot

[solid skiff]

diddly done

[swift wharf]

i've only seen mods that add acc slots

[small timber]

Make celestial onion in master mode a food item that give 2 minute of stink and temporal sadness because onion

[frosty trellis]

LMAOOOOOO

[small timber]

(and indigestion because strange origin)

[solid skiff]

listen

if i can have

[swift wharf]

also there's no reason for "Now before I get swarmed by the "8 accessory slots would make it so easy though", hear this;" to be there

[solid skiff]

4 fucking twins pet

then im all for it

[raw crystal]

Why do we have two hands? there are many reasons; pet the levi, pet the scal

dual wielding void concetration staffs

[frosty trellis]

Lmaoooo

PFFFFF

[hollow shell]

Thank you Radical

[swift wharf]

dual wield mod

[solid skiff]

👍

[swift wharf]

[frosty trellis]

This is amazing and I love it

I hope this passes

[solid skiff]

not likely, pet slot additions might be a bitch to work with

[frosty trellis]

Worth a shot

[solid skiff]

true true

[raw crystal]

also when is void concentration staff getting its buff back to meme on bosses :<

[small timber]

Now inb4 suggestion to "make celestial onion master mode only effect be not master mode locked"

[raw crystal]

my poor boi does nothing to DoG now

[solid skiff]

isnt it a sentry

[raw crystal]

it is a single summon with a fancy right click

[swift wharf]

[solid skiff]

oh

[raw crystal]

that used to affect bosses

[frosty trellis]

Just use Ethereal Subjugator

[raw crystal]

"knockback" was a suggestion

[small timber]

But ya tbh

[solid skiff]

thing is you only need master mode you can literally just be master mode or
master mode

nobody is forcing you to be on death mode

💀

[small timber]

I think at this point just make it a secondary effect of celestial.onion

It is like, not good, but at the sametime cant really argue against the many thing that calamity decided to not be difficulty locked

[eternal escarp]

personally i wouldnt mind it being a secondary effect too tbh, itd still give it a master use that isnt stupid like an 8th slot
either way sugg is cool

[solid skiff]

or just add a rare item called celestial adoption letter

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[swift wharf]

onion becomes IOU an item

[small timber]

What if just make celestial onion not dropped in master mode

[eternal escarp]

"IOU Nothing stop playing master mode"

:lueless

[small timber]

It cant be useless if it is unobtainable in the first place

[swift wharf]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[small timber]

I am still thinking removing master mode initial slot works better, but ya probably only 0.1% of playerbase agree with me

[novel belfry]

that's probably the best way we could go about this

i am not sure how coding would be required to introduce a new pet slot

especially given that the next Terraria update will add pets to the character pages

so uh

[small timber]

Calamity vanity moment

[fossil finch]

me when an extra pet slot but its locked in shit fuck mode

[small timber]

Though I am unsure if old duke summon and fungal clamp works already

[novel belfry]

I could say "go download calval you studmuffin", but this honestly should just be a base calamity feature

[unborn oriole]

Renember the lava slime situation?

Removing something simple like that could cause an entire clown car of butterfly effects

[novel belfry]

Celestial Onion is a Calamity mod item

Lava slime is a vanilla enemy

[fossil finch]

They also did not remove lava slime and the issue is unrelated to removing it grrrr

[swift wharf]

^

making an item not drop in a certain difficulty is easy

[novel belfry]

Since, Vanilla Terraria did just that with expert accessories (which calamity made drop for every difficulty, although this sadly prevents players from seeing the expert rainbow rarity)

[swift wharf]

elemental excalibur:

[novel belfry]

that's literally just one weapon

[fossil finch]

and

Those were literally just some drops..,.,

[swift wharf]

anyways yes rainbow rarity is cool

[cobalt pewter]

honestly with how they treated master exclusives (or rather, the lack thereof) in cal, I doubt they want onyo to be able to be used in master, and extra pet slot is not only an extra potentially buggy feature (see wingslot), but also promoting exclusives cal is trying to get rid of in the first place

[novel belfry]

thing is, Onion iirc is an all difficulty thing

so I see the pet slot thing more as a nice bonus to literally every playthrough

so uh

[cobalt pewter]

the sugg implies the feature is only for Master mode

[cobalt pewter]

@solid skiff refer to this

if you want context on the first phrase

[hollow shell]

That is indeed true

[cobalt pewter]

I suggest cope and turn off Master mode once you're post ML because that mode is literally useless unless you want an extra double stat on enemies, which is all that mode does at that point

[hollow shell]

However the extra acc slot still is Master-exclusive and will remain that way

So
Kinda weird grey area I guess?

[cobalt pewter]

just don't touch it, I guess

extremely volatile

[hollow shell]

Master and Rev not perfect equivalents

[cobalt pewter]

[crude geode]

Well yeah

Rev has actual effort put into it

[cobalt pewter]

master is better be left to rot this way and its exclusives being in rev+

[hollow shell]

Yeah I'm just sayin in this specific instance, one of the few remaining forever-Master-exclusive factors is getting highlighted

[cobalt pewter]

just add a tooltip on onyo if master is currently running

"Lmao cope"

[errant cloud]

Rover

For clarity's sake I see a lot of the devs poke how adding slots is buggy but I've never seen them explain why

Why is it buggy

What does it muck up

[hollow shell]

afaik tMod does not have the infrastructure to just add new fully functional slots
You have to make the new slots and go into the game and tell it to acknowledge slots it never had to work with before

Maybe they did something in the 1.4 port to make that easier, but I do not know

[errant cloud]

Oh, wha? That doesn't sound all that hard to do, so long as you can reverse engineer how red implemented slot acknowledgement or w.e

As in the code blocks for it

Maybe I'm derping who knows

[edgy sundial]

imagine just reverse engineering the code blocks

[hollow shell]

Maybe if we were directly editing the game's files themselves, it would be simple
But we aren't, we have to use tMod's tools to hook into bits of vanilla code and edit them

[solid skiff]

Sure, making the pet slot master exclusive is against the mods nature of removing mod exclusive things, but then again there's still some content locked behind modes.
For example the occult skull crown, which does have a combative use, is locked to revengeance. Or Gael's Greatsword and pets for death mode.

i dont feel like a simple tiny bitty addition of a pet slot in master mode would annoy anybody, but i understand your points regardless.

[errant cloud]

Still doesn't seem that hard when I look at it for funsies...It almost seems basic enough to do the stuff required in a while or for loop and have the parameter be something related to the player using a new item

[hollow shell]

(Occult Skull Crown directly interacts with Rev-exclusive mechanics)

[errant cloud]

Also rovy that's assuming that explicitly a new slot has to be added

Has duping been tried

[edgy sundial]

what

[crude geode]

Gael’s is a dedicated so it being dumb and bad is justified via that

[solid skiff]

fair argument against my statement, rover, but they used mode exclusive additions in their statement, so i simply brought up mode exclusive content as well

[frosty trellis]

I thought Gaels shredded Exos?

[solid skiff]

sure its master mode

who would give a fuck about it, most people hate it

[hollow shell]

It's hard to have a convo about complex and difficult tMod code intricacies
without
either of us having directly seen or interacted with said code

[errant cloud]

fair

[hollow shell]

I am only going off of what I have heard from the programmers

[crude geode]

I meant in design

I could care less about balance because that changes every single update

[frosty trellis]

Post SCal and Exos stuff aren't

Exoblade is still bad

Its as strong as Ataraxia and Dragon Pow

Against SCal

[drowsy plank]

you can actually add slots just fine under the new arcitecture for tmodloader but it's fucking stupid because the mod has been balanced around 7 for literal years and everything would need to be rebalanced for something we frankly do not need

[frosty trellis]

We're talking about adding a pet slot

Not an accessory slot

[hollow shell]

Alright if tMod made it easier than that's cool

[drowsy plank]

before it was just asking for problems to try and do it

[raw crystal]

the weird grey area is when you get 8 slots and have the buggy last slot that wont activate in either master or expert post ml

[drowsy plank]

asking for it now would frankly probably fall under "too much work" because of how literally EVERYTHING post moon lord would need to be tweaked for... master i guess, which cal is actively trying to avoid anyway? just make onion not drop lmfao

[frosty trellis]

That or make it add a pet slot too since new pets and all

No harm in that if it's so easy now

[fossil finch]

you can indeed add more acc slots now, tmod added stuff for that ages ago

extra slots will also now go to the side to evade being covered up by lack of res or covering the settings button

i don't think they have added anything for new pet slots however

[drowsy plank]

yeah i have no idea how pet slots are doing atm

i dont think it's something many people even thought to ask for but it's an interesting idea

[swift wharf]

pet slots would probably implode

[drowsy plank]

at the end of the day it's just a buff slot, im not sure if they manually override each other rn, but i doubt it'd be terribly difficult to change that?? idk

[raw crystal]

with the 44 max coming eventually I'll be able to have as many pets as I please B)

[drowsy plank]

but we thought that removing lava from lava slimes would be easy and look where that got us

idk we'll see if this even passes ig lmao

[fossil finch]

crying everytime the lava slime point gets brought up

[drowsy plank]

weep

[sand ermine]

with the 44 max coming eventually i can finally have a reason to use swiftness in hardmode

[manic fractal]

U think that’s gonna happen soon or

[grim tusk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

College

[manic fractal]

Damn

[drowsy plank]

if that aint a mood

[orchid wing]

#suggestions-posting message
It is intentional, uelibloom bricks have telenkesis 💀

[inner anvil]

I mean, I could bandaid fix it depending on what it is.

I still have some time left before I start high school (2 hours).

[orchid wing]

💀

[inner anvil]

Testers have their summer vacation finished, sadly.

[novel belfry]

hoo boy

[orchid wing]

Rip in peppwroni tseters

[rotund tree]

well, uelibloom bricks are actually supposed to have a layer of leaves on top of them (as shown on the wiki) but after the 1.4 port the leaves were removed, i can only assume 1.4 changed something and it broke the leaves so they were removed as a temporary solution

[orchid wing]

Wrong

You are afraid of the truth

You cannot fathom the true power of the uelibloom birkc

[novel belfry]

What a shame.

[warm dock]

Where criticism?

[frail mantle]

you're gonna need more reasoning than that

[warm dock]

There it is

[golden tulip]

its already been suggested a thousand times but i dont actually know the reason it isnt accepted

[frail mantle]

also the bot won't be able to process your suggestion unless you separate the title and reasoning with a line break (shift + enter on pc)

[hollow idol]

it isnt accepted because Earth Elemental is FAKE (read bestiary)

[golden tulip]

yea i would

if it worked

[hollow shell]

I just deleted it cuz it's in the Donts doc

[novel belfry]

sadge

he is still a real elemental in my heart

anyways, am I allowed to repost my Spazmatism flames suggestion?

this one

Make Rev+ Spazmatism's phase 2 flames inflict a stronger Cursed Flames variant instead of Shadowflames
Why exactly are Rev+ Spazmatism's flame attacks Shadowflames, and no longer the green flame debuff who Spazmatism's eye color is distinctly based on? (Also Apollo, the Exo mech counterpart also retains the green color on its sprites *and *its projectiles)
I believe the answer to this question is that Shadowflames are simply put, stronger debuffs. To keep this part of the boss's balance and also to preserve consistency at the same time, perhaps you could simply take the 1.4 Flame Gauntlet and Frost Armor approach (creating stronger versions of the Fire and Frostfire debuffs respectively) and create a stronger version.

[fleet coral]

I never thought about that

just thinking out loud here but they could also change his eye color to a shadow flame like color

could be a cool detail that people dont notice first time or that they wonder why its there

or just make a stronger debuff like you put it

[gray nebula]

fixed already

(not that they cant e broken, that they generate on the surface)

[drowsy plank]

@lusty trail ^

[lusty trail]

dont think it was fixed

caps lock sucks

anyways this world was made only with calamity and infernum

on september 4th

[drowsy plank]

next update, not this one, obviously

so yeah you'll have to deal with it for now but

it has been addressed at least

@crystal creek you realize you can't really damage provi while she's in her cocoon phase right

[hollow shell]

90% DR

Well it ain't 99.99% DR I suppose

[lusty trail]

its still damage and all damage to bosses is good

[fossil finch]

silly ass reasoning

[lusty trail]

tell me neko

have you never had a boss basically despawn because you died but then die because of some debuff?

or some random hit

it has happened to me a lot

and i always stand by the saying "all damage is good damage" even if that damage is very low

[fossil finch]

no i never because im a good player

[drowsy plank]

new suggestion: make providence immune to damage during cocoon phase

[fossil finch]

based

[lusty trail]

yea that will work

[lusty trail]

why not wait for infernum to work with master mode ftw and then play it?

[drowsy plank]

for the worthy

[grim tusk]

@crystal creek Providence on cocoons is literally not supposed to be attacked, thats why

[drowsy plank]

lol

lmao, even

[grim tusk]

When pigs fly

[lusty trail]

im gonna get a job in genetic engineering and make a pig with wings that can fly

[hollow shell]

Why is she not invulnerable then

You can still deal some DPS on her during it, greater than 1, 2, and 0

[crude geode]

Poor design

[lusty trail]

im sure there is some debuff the devs forgot about that deals damage to her

why not use it during that phase?

[drowsy plank]

or you could just

make her immune at this point

[crude geode]

Indeed

[small timber]

Make her immune and drain some % hp when she does cocoon

prehm providence time

[swift wharf]

yharon 2

[drowsy plank]

true!!

when we getting duke takes 2% during phase transitions

[swift wharf]

fr

[small timber]

Ares does damage to self when firing nuke and blender, artemis drain hp on shotgun and ohio, thanatos lose extremely small %hp per barrage

Scal drain hp on giga blast

[crude geode]

I can see scal and provi because of theming, but why would draedon make his machines purposely destroy themselves

[drowsy plank]

uhhhhhh something something they overheat

[crude geode]

[hollow shell]

Time for the no-attacking challenges

[small timber]

I mean tbf thanatos segment not closing immediately after firing is thematically to vent off heat I think

[small timber]

no attack challenge post yharon full package

[crude geode]

yes that is indeed why the overheat argument is extremely silly

[small timber]

What I mean is overheating is indeed an issue that might happen with draedon's machine

But ya self damage mechanic for these bosses will be added not even soon™️

[crude geode]

indeed

[drowsy plank]

that's what makes my joke even funnier

[crude geode]

true

I forgor that 90% of this channel is humor, sarcasm, and redundancy

[drowsy plank]

best channel in calamity server letsgoooo

also tbf that's actually

most of the server in general tbh

[crude geode]

yeah but the rest of the server's humor is bad

[drowsy plank]

true

[ruby plover]

most recent suggestion is a teeny bit redundant

[small timber]

Yeah there is another implication that summons attacking during cocoon make it harder to see bh and spear projectile

Since your summons will be blocking the screen while dealing extremely small amount of damage

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Is it possible to make minions only attack a target if it is targeted manually?

If so that could be nice

[sand ermine]

why does profaned moonlight even lag

[frosty trellis]

Lots of particles

[sand ermine]

Makes sense

[hollow shell]

Weird

I thought it was just like 6 images that move around and change color

[sand ermine]

i thought it was just like

some sort of like, rendering technique or something

which allows it to happen

and it was just really badly optimized or does a lot of calculations or something

[distant gyro]

the wavy thingy does lag

[small timber]

Looking back at the comment you wrote on the video, I just realise is astral armor good?

I want to suggest to maybe move a bunch of astral armor set bonus from crit to damage

Since currently the set just kind acannot function with minions, since half of its damage is crit and the entire set bonus is crit based

(and it dont even have reduced minion damage penalty)

[distant gyro]

crit counterbalances minion slots

if everything the armor provides is damage and there's 3 minion slots on top of it then it's a summoner armor

[small timber]

My original idea was to make it so astral is more usable on minions (since it is currently not a summon-multiclass armor) but ya I forgot armors with those stats are usually summon armor

[drowsy plank]

it gives like 30% damage

and it's amazing at tanking

[cobalt pewter]

lame armor tho

it should be based......

[distant gyro]

yeah but most armor sets are lame

we've already went over this

[cobalt pewter]

true....

[distant gyro]

[drowsy plank]

tbh astral already kinda cooler than most tbh

at most like

idk maybe the stars could home in, or maybe it could be more related to the astral

but overall it's pretty good

like it out damages all of the luminite armor sets except exactly stardust lmao

[swift wharf]

the projectiles should be more astral themed

imo

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[small timber]

for damage ya maybe, for tanking I dont think it has any tank stat

like, at all (which is why I was confused why you recommended it)

[swift wharf]

like aureus/deus projectiles

cuz colored stars are kinda mid.....

[drowsy plank]

well it gives +20 life and more defense than everything except solar flare

[small timber]

since I was getting 1 shot (600+ damage) from 1 charge if I was not using beetle, so I thought I forgot if astral armor have some DR

[drowsy plank]

yeah beetle does have more defense

[small timber]

yeah, since yharon had 5 million hp so I thought nothing is moving that
I think about using folly drop but I thought it didn't matter anyway so I only used dynamo stem cell (just so it is still 'mostly' pre-ML)

[cobalt pewter]

giving astral armor deus' projectiles would be nice

[drowsy plank]

golden eagle really does actually out damage most options when i was using it

[cobalt pewter]

the mines or the helix shots

[drowsy plank]

would be cool

[cobalt pewter]

those look pretty

[hollow shell]

seriously?

[cobalt pewter]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

i mean like

compared to like

shroomite

vanilla sets

[cobalt pewter]

I think the minimum is replacing the lame stars with Deus' projectiles and maybe adding Omniscience effect in its set bonus?

[cobalt pewter]

that's a really low bar

[drowsy plank]

yeah astral is like bare minimum better than that

yes

[swift wharf]

shroomite

[drowsy plank]

the Cool™️ sets are fairly rare rn tbh, so it's still outcompeting most lmao

[cobalt pewter]

Shroomite should be entirely reworked

it's fucking useless

[swift wharf]

I think a shroomite rework sugg was denied

[hollow shell]

Astral is basically equal to Orichalcum, just with more random bullshit

[drowsy plank]

well it wont

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

but that's not priority

[cobalt pewter]

Orichalcum triggers on crit? I don't remember

(I haven't seen the reworked armors much)

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure Orich is just on-hit

[cobalt pewter]

ah

[hollow shell]

In practice there isn't much of a
visible difference

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[small timber]

only matter to summoner yeah, just summoner cant use ori

(wait summoner ori set dont exist anyway)

[drowsy plank]

look i think astral's themeing and the way it sort of gives a star cloak on crit is like. more interesting than like. idk "stat boost", "generic stealth mode for ranger set", whatever else the 90 other lame armor sets do

i like when those on hit player effects get to actually Be Good

[small timber]

vanilla lunar armors are the only one I think is good

maybe spectre is ok, thats about it, others are pretty boring generally

forbidden could had been cool if its damage numbers are not completely abyssmal

especially vanilla summoner armors are literally "yo this upgrade have more damage and minion slot than previous summoner armor"

[hollow shell]

(Shroomite wasn't generic when it was added
There's probably a name for this but I don't know what it is

Being cool when added, so many things mimic and expand upon it such that the original is now passé)

[cobalt pewter]

even within vanilla lunar I can only really commend Solar as the most unique?

even tho it's kinda jank

Vortex is just what Shroomite should've been

I love JoJo but Stardust doesn't do much outside of ora ora

[small timber]

by vanilla standard they are unique, solar being beetle with dash; vortex being shroomite but actually useful; nebula have a unique mechanic dependent on pickups and stardust is a summoner armor that finally actually summon things

[cobalt pewter]

Nebula is just a natural progression from Spectre

which isn't too bad, but I still prefer Solar the most by design

[hollow shell]

Mechanically I think Nebula is the most unique

Actual pick-up items that grant buffs when collected instead of going into the inventory

[swift wharf]

I think shroomite just needs a buff

[cobalt pewter]

yeah that is fairly interesting

[drowsy plank]

the weird ass stealth mode for the ranger sets was always so weird to me

it feels like something that was supposed to be used in multiplayer but like

multiplayer is so jank idk how tf it was supposed to work

[crude geode]

The term you’re looking for is power creep

Byeah, shroomite crawled so rogue could walk

[hollow shell]

It's some kind of creep yeah

[crude geode]

mechanic powercreep

[vernal heron]

#suggestions-voting message

Somehow
Some way
I got this to over 90 likes

Crazy

[ruby plover]

[hollow shell]

Not enough to get delivered unfortunately

(Not sure how well it woulda done in Dev considering how big the scope is)

[crude geode]

@hollow shell future content sugg

[upbeat yacht]

doesn't

doesn't "deus ex machina" mean "god out of machine" anyway?

and not "god of machines"

[lofty hedge]

My Latin is a little rusty, but I believe you’re right

Ex means out of

[drowsy plank]

it means god from the machine because it used to refer to greek gods that would emerge from the machinery of the stage during the third act to set the plot right

also it makes no sense to call draedon that because;

1. he is not a god
2. he does not want to be a god
3. he literally talks about how the machines are not perfect

not to mention he has a TON of foreshadowing anyway

literally the most foreshadowed character, maybe even more than calamitas herself

[ashen warren]

Have the cosmic guardians got minimap icons yet from the accepted suggestion that was made like around 2 years ago.

[crude geode]

prolly not

sadly approval =/= implementation in the next 2 years

[small timber]

@steep horizon already suggested several times and accepted

[short walrus]

The funny thing about the draedon theme guy is that Deus ex machina means "god from the machine"

[hollow shell]

oh right before I forget @crystal creek I actually am exclaiming your suggestion, because while I do agree with it, you still need to elaborate on your reasoning
Include a counterargument to the people who say she isn't meant to be attacked during that phase

[ripe owl]

@vapid musk
My dearest
Have you ever heard of the minecart tracks?

Oh wait fuck I am a dumbass that doesn't know how to read

[distant gyro]

[short walrus]

How did that not get exclaimed

Say again, iirc devplans to make platforms smooth by default

[crude geode]

Wasn't FS good outside of water arenas due to stupid good defensive stats.

[sand ermine]

hhmmmmmm?

wdym

[crude geode]

I could have sworn it was good at some point, or smthn

[small timber]

it is defensively extremely good (even outside of water)

but ya, people just dont like low damage armors, especially summoner

47 defense 6% DR is not exactly nothing

for reference this is the comparison of fathom swarmer vs spooky

so it is definitely not weak, people just want damage

spooky apparently got unnerfed back to 4 minion slot, so it is a lot more damage now

in water arena this armor is probably good until stardust armor

assuming you swim 100% of the time, of course

[crude geode]

yes

@pastel crow thoughts on fathom swarmer, balance wise?

[distant gyro]

should go back to being post-mechs

[small timber]

oh wait, spooky got unnerfed?

then ya, spooky is definitely a lot stronger now

[short walrus]

Platforms have a delay when falling through them

[small timber]

I remember at some point it was 3 slot

[short walrus]

Delay deletion

[pastel crow]

I think its basically always a worse option than the other armors at the tier, unless your in the water.

[distant gyro]

armor is worse than spider without water iirc

[pastel crow]

yea that's what I remembered from when I used it

[distant gyro]

despite requiring it

[pastel crow]

Could definitely be a candidate for rework (like many other things)

[distant gyro]

i remember something about it now

[crude geode]

isn't that literally everything not made in the past 1 or 2 years of cal

[distant gyro]

original intent to rework into utility/whip armor

status is awaiting what tiki armor does in 1.4.4.

[crude geode]

1.4.4 moment

[small timber]

tiki is also apparently just worthless now

previously it was 4 slot vs 3 slot (of spooky), now spooky just have 4

[distant gyro]

1.4.4. is a balance update of all time

[small timber]

and tiki have less summon damage to begin with (30% vs spooky 58%)

the only upside is tiki has 5 more defense than spooky (WOW)

[crude geode]

woah 5 defense

abyss exploration set seems. counter productive.

[distant gyro]

top 1 factor in why calamity balance is pain

1. vanilla is still not done with shit

also yes

abyss exploration after you just explored it

it's not gonna work

[crude geode]

abyssal diving set is nice cuz you get it b4 you do 3rd trip into abyss

[distant gyro]

whip armor >

[crude geode]

so true

[crude geode]

end all be all of balance/design is just.

[distant gyro]

"please make journey's end actually be journey's end"

[crude geode]

"haha money go wheeeeee"

[small timber]

I just use pic since it is easier to look at

but ya, fair to say, plant-tier summon armor balance is garbage

[keen zodiac]

astrum deus ex machina when

[upbeat yacht]

deus ex astrum

[frozen hornet]

God from the star...

[fossil finch]

Leinfors did this around 1.4 and 1.4.1 arguing that the moons were meant to be balanced post golem and spooky was always meant to be an upgrade and not an alt to tiki
Tiki therefore is not worthless... you use it before getting spooky
In vanilla anyway

[frail mantle]

I don’t think I’ve ever waited until post golem to do the moons

[fossil finch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen hornet]

Post golem moons is the intended vanilla way apparently

Which is funny

[swift wharf]

like how molten tier is supposed to be post skeletron in vanilla

[unborn oriole]

Lmao

This is some early hm Fishron kill type stuff

[lucid flare]

or empress being way too strong for her tier

[swift wharf]

me owm to run in a general direction and evade 90% of her attacks

[drowsy plank]

empress aint too strong for her tier she's fine lmao

[swift wharf]

^

[lucid flare]

isn't she post plantera

[drowsy plank]

she's technically post WoF in calamity

but she's post Golem in vanilla

in calamity she comes after PBG, who comes after Golem

in normal progression

[unborn oriole]

She's post plantera in vanilla

The lacewings start to spawn after plantera

She's just considered post golem for her "difficulty"

But tbh even Duke is more punishing

Empress is just running and doing circles every now and then

[drowsy plank]

empress even has a pattern in vanilla so like

[swift wharf]

or walking in one direction

[unborn oriole]

And jumping

[swift wharf]

truly a life-changing experience

[unborn oriole]

And they call her hardest boss in vanilla...

Moon lord is harder

[drowsy plank]

empress is harder if you're bad because she's flashy, moon lord is harder if you're good because he's a complete shitshow consistency wise

[unborn oriole]

Moon lord's attacks are dog water

Absolute shit

The definition of bullet spam

[swift wharf]

soaring insignia:

[drowsy plank]

clearly just a skill issue just grow three more rods of discord to dodge all three true eye lasers :))))

[unborn oriole]

Oh god don't get me started on the true eye lasers

I hate those mfs

It's really frustrating to try and kill moon lord without RoD

[drowsy plank]

at least we have the tried and true strategy

of running the fuck away and shooting him with a homing weapon til he dies

truly an amazing boss fight

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

empress is infact post golem in vanilla same way moons are or hellstone stuff is post skeletron

[unborn oriole]

Worst part is when he teleports because you're too far and vibe checks the shit out of you with the death ray

[fossil finch]

earliest available is not something vanilla holds itself to a lot

how to moonlord

download calamity

activate rev

no more eye lasers

[unborn oriole]

Profit

[fossil finch]

👍

[unborn oriole]

But dr scaling

[drowsy plank]

just do the critter slot fill glitch in vanilla so the eyes can't spawn

[fossil finch]

who cares tbh

[unborn oriole]

I mean yeah dr is just a bonus before provi

You really wont care that much about it until attacks get strong

Unless you play tank

Ofc

[drowsy plank]

shut up shut up shut up shut up

[cobalt pewter]

@alpine prawn no.

[drowsy plank]

@alpine prawn you're breaking like 3 rules rn

zenith changes, specific item suggestion, and excessive work

[cobalt pewter]

yep.

not sure if zenith is officially in the doc yet

but the other 2, totally

[drowsy plank]

it's under the "you REALLY shouldn't be doing this"

not official banned but

[fossil finch]

im fucking crying

[swift wharf]

GOD

[fossil finch]

shitting

pissing

[cobalt pewter]

god.

[short walrus]

bloody hell

[drowsy plank]

sdomfg 2

[fossil finch]

why do you bring me this discomfort just before the direct starts

oh my god

[swift wharf]

this is going to quotes, qanada and wall of shame

[short walrus]

even pulled out the shadowspec goddamn

also,

@alpine prawn exoblade exists and is perfect enough (and you are breaking so many goddamn rules you have no hope of getting past tomorrow)

[cobalt pewter]

since this sugg is obviously beyond saving

[drowsy plank]

no dont you see scorn

[swift wharf]

sis, dev item, zenith stuff

we got a 3

[cobalt pewter]

@hollow shell kill :D

#suggestions-posting message

[drowsy plank]

he put exoblade IN THE RECIPE

[alpine prawn]

aw that's cringe as hell... I put a bit of thought into it :/

[drowsy plank]

no you didnt

[swift wharf]

should've read the pins

[fossil finch]

i dont think ultra mega sword has much thought put into it

[drowsy plank]

if you put thought into it you would've read the rules first

[swift wharf]

I like how briny baron is just there

[short walrus]

can make this but can't make a name better than "zenith mark 2"

[alpine prawn]

uhm... don't tell me what to do? you don't know my thought process so you can't really tell me how much thought I put in to it

[cobalt pewter]

don't start

just let rover exclaim the sugg

[swift wharf]