suggestions-discussion

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[novel belfry]

Wait, he has 50% dr?

that's

[frosty trellis]

50% Dr is excessive

[stuck cave]

very excessive

[frosty trellis]

For a post plantera boss fight

[fossil finch]

no he still sucks even post ml because post ml buffed his stats too
which doesn't happen anymore anyway

[novel belfry]

JUST FUCKING USE DEFENSE, NOT DR

[frosty trellis]

Yharon has 22% Dr

[stuck cave]

that buff was removed

[crystal creek]

aureus is the only boss I think should be reworked 😦

[fossil finch]

yes i literally said it

[stuck cave]

and im talking abt since that update

[crystal creek]

im just salt

[stuck cave]

oh sorry i missed that

[frosty trellis]

To give some perspective

[crystal creek]

even golem is better lmao

[novel belfry]

I think many bosses could do with a rework, but Aureus should be number one on the "To Rework" list

Cause

[inner anvil]

Fab doesn't have any plans to rework Astrum Aureus in any way.

[stuck cave]

i honestly don't really get why so many bosses have dr when they could just... have more health

[fossil finch]

ok user discord kimiko#2823 with the id 251137406659592193

[novel belfry]

He's just poorly designed in anyway

[stuck cave]

like what does dr add to a fight that health doesn't

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

byeah crying here a boss needs a rework won't get you anywhere

[fossil finch]

prevents absurd power scaling

[frosty trellis]

40 defense and 50% Dr makes Aureus tanky as all fuck

And Aureus has more hp than Leviathan

[inner anvil]

I can tell him to reconsider the DR and DEF from Aureus.

[fossil finch]

defense also works differently than dr
specially with the penetration stuff

[frosty trellis]

Thank you

[crystal creek]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

That would make the fight less agonizing

Because the attacks aren't too bad once you learn them

[novel belfry]

if there's any fruit this discussion should bring, this should be the one

[fossil finch]

HOLY SHIT FAB'S STATUS
Definitely not splatton related it's a teaser for noxus and xeroc

[frosty trellis]

LMAO

[crystal creek]

i think I would be less irritated if aur wasnt so tank

[frosty trellis]

Everyone would be

[crystal creek]

though I can see it as ok

[fossil finch]

will you keep circling this topic

[inner anvil]

Made this in 5 minutes (Please Rover don't ban me, I beg of you).

[pastel crow]

Jumping is also integral to dodging aureus's leaps, as you can see here

[fossil finch]

amazing

[frosty trellis]

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that's what I do

[fossil finch]

jokes aside i wonder what it is? like reference to splatoon because splatoon 3 and chaos vs order splatfest makes sense but idk if fab plays splatoon

[crystal creek]

yeah I kinda figured that, i dont know why it helps but

[frosty trellis]

Once I was told that how it worked

[crystal creek]

how does it work

[inner anvil]

Ultrakill reference.

[fossil finch]

makes sense

[pastel crow]

aureus trys to jump to a position above the player before slamming down, by jumping you move that point higher and give yourself more time to move out of the way

[errant cloud]

that suggestion took 20min to make neko

i hate myself lol

[inner anvil]

One boss goes by the theme named "Chaos" and when you kill him it spawns another boss who's theme is called "Order".

[fossil finch]

simply write faster

[inner anvil]

There you go, reference explained.

[errant cloud]

[fossil finch]

so yeah this is how noxus and xeroc fight is gonna go

confirmed

[crystal creek]

ah

that should probably be a set amount above the ground lol

or higher above the player

[errant cloud]

little known fact while writing the monoliths suggestion i actually had a flashback to the boss rush VFX

and i'm like

"no. its too early."

"i'll suggest it when noxus/xeroc happen in like 3000 years"

[fossil finch]

isn't the already present vfx distracting for some people already?

i don't think it's a good idea to add even more

[errant cloud]

what the hell is that canvas size

2000x2000?

[fossil finch]

no it's not that big i think

[errant cloud]

its smooth is all

anyway

whats this other suggestion you were talking about lemme c

[fossil finch]

in ase at least

idk if ase makes it smaller

it butchers it because, well, it's not a sprite

[errant cloud]

oh you guys were talking about aureus rework

uh

[fossil finch]

but idk if it makes it smaller

[errant cloud]

dunno aureus doesnt seem all that interesting to rework at least until underground astral rework happens first

[fossil finch]

so yeah it is just that big

[errant cloud]

tbqh 658x879 with that kind of smoothness is still quite impressive

it looks like the canvas res is 2.5x ish what it actually is

[fossil finch]

provi is bigger

lol

[errant cloud]

yeah well shes a fat beehive of a goddess

ofc shes going to be bigger than a spooky light eye

[fossil finch]

this is too

[errant cloud]

do not

[fossil finch]

anyways i just

yeah offtopic

[novel belfry]

oyeah, this was seriously considered for the mod

[fossil finch]

ping me in spoiler talk and i'll be bothered enough to ta

[hollow idol]

@errant cloud Leviathan

she has a sky too

[errant cloud]

ok

sec

[frosty trellis]

Oh true yeah

[errant cloud]

edited;

was gonna mention yuh in a lot of suggestions i end up being super lenient and ambiguous

and say things such as "yeah here's some extra considerations for the devs n spriters if they care"

and ive gotten told off for it by people who are not devs/spriters

am i an ass for that

[inner anvil]

For those in the conversation about Astrum Aureus' DR and DEF:

[fossil finch]

well who's up to doing all that testing

[inner anvil]

Not me.

Well, maybe me because I have like infinite time, but I don't know about others.

[distant gyro]

storm raised the DR

if that's relevant

[errant cloud]

will haplessly try not to go on a tangent about this but

i really feel like there should be more stuff centered around DR than there currently is

that is all

good mechanic™️

[quasi barn]

Guys,what do you think of this idea:

Smaller the temple arena is, the lower rate of golem shooting the ricochetting fire balls

Recently i faced golem in death and master mode

But the arena was really small

I wasn’t able to beat it at all

[fossil finch]

ehem, what

[errant cloud]

how small is small

[fossil finch]

golem arena is alwasy the same size

in calamity its replaced with its own unique room so its always the same size

lol?

[errant cloud]

also yea even with that considered neko is right

[quasi barn]

The ricochetting fireballs, in the final phase are spammed so heavily that every part of the room is full of them, and you can’t take your time dodging them because golem comes flying at you at mach 20

[errant cloud]

theres no variation

[quasi barn]

Oh really

[errant cloud]

the only thing that varies is the golem room's hall entrance mouth

on a y axis

[quasi barn]

Just gimme a second for my discord on pc to pop up

[errant cloud]

so itll sometimes be higher or lower iirc

main room itself never changes

[quasi barn]

This room in my world

Is just too fucking small

this shit

[fossil finch]

is your world a small world

because that is infact the calamity gen except its usually much larger

[quasi barn]

its large

[fossil finch]

then idk

mine are always larger

[errant cloud]

OH

HE HAS IT ON A SMALL WORLD

ok now i get it

uh

[quasi barn]

my world is large

[errant cloud]

...yeh i guess that should be edited if you play on small/medium worlds shouldnt it

shiet

oh no its..

wait what ok thats a screwed up temple then

[quasi barn]

exactky

[errant cloud]

should not be that small if large

gen another world

[swift wharf]

the temple arena is not supposed to generate like that so it explains why the fight is scuffed

[quasi barn]

its impossible to fight golem on death and master

because in that arena

you get too many of those fucking fireballs

[errant cloud]

see if you can cheese tank him enough for picksaw

cuz then you can bring his altar out of temple

[swift wharf]

btw regarding the newest suggestion

can't you just use solar for yharon?

it's p much the same color

[errant cloud]

no, yharon's vfx are not solar iirc

[swift wharf]

adding another orange monolith would be kinda dumb

[errant cloud]

eh ill leave that up to the devs whether or not they wanna not do yharon monolith

personally i think it'd be a pity not to but

mlem

[swift wharf]

I agree with the others though

[hollow idol]

yharon’s is a lot stronger than solar iirc
and no moon

[errant cloud]

yeah the shades of orange are pretty noticeable because yharon's is like what on the gradient merge between yellow and orange

and its like a smooth sherbet color

whereas solar is like

darker

if i was really a picky jerk i could go get the hexes/rgbs but im not that determined

[quasi barn]

I think i found out why my golem’s arena is stunted

Its gotta do with fargo’s best of both worlds

It alters your temple to resemble for the worthy’s temple

[swift wharf]

mod conflict!!!!!

[quasi barn]

And its fargo again

[errant cloud]

actually i might have another good idea

for suggestions later

a week or smth ago i was debating neko on a parent item for cosmolight, @fossil finch you remember this right

what if cosmolight just got reworked to incrementally speed up time of day when you hold lmb

[swift wharf]

beds

[errant cloud]

if you're underground it would give you indicator

also no fug beds i hate beds iirc

[swift wharf]

cope

[fossil finch]

no because

taht lags my game

like

journey doing that

makes my game go 3 fps

so yeah uh

[errant cloud]

e?

[swift wharf]

terraria is well optimized

[errant cloud]

i dont think cosmolight uses vanilla mechanics does it

for actually changing time;

[swift wharf]

I don't think so

It doesn't skip time

[errant cloud]

ok yea

and building a uh

[fossil finch]

yeah so

[swift wharf]

it's a /time set 0 & /time set 13000

[fossil finch]

don't make cosmolight increase the time speed passes

because,

journey lags my game with those settings

let it be time set

[errant cloud]

what im suggesting is for time = t (maybe its the vanilla constant, maybe its a constant for a time system separate from the vanilla one)

you do a t++ incrementor

so what is it from 0 -> 13000 it just increments

im not coding master

[swift wharf]

they don't know that I was talking about Minecraft

[hollow shell]

Do you have other content mods that could affect the generation?
Cuz Calamity is supposed to make it always be larger than that and I've never seen it with a low ceiling like that

[errant cloud]

oh hey he came in here

yeah i dmed rover for assistance tm

apparently cosmolight rework is already wanted

;

actually if you wanna be really spicy rover might like this

for lmb, [const var]++

for rmb, [const var]--

suddenly time now go brr instead of bzzt and it go brr in two separate directions

literally time traveling into the past with some souls of light and some other materials at a cal center near you

insane.

[novel belfry]

jesse

[errant cloud]

im being a sarcastic twat. basically, the idea is that reworking cosmolight so that holding left mouse button to make time advance, and holding right mouse button to make time reverse, is the norm instead of setting the time to a specific point

which is indeed very spicy

spicy tasty good

[novel belfry]

not as spicy as fabsol's Brimstone Death Soup

[errant cloud]

made with scorpion peppers near you;

ok enough memery i will give feedback on previous suggestions

uh

sec

ok there's not many there's two:

• deathmode antlion sand spew being moved to ftw is good, I approve. If other griefing type behaviors are being casted out of deathmode then I see no reason why this suggestion is a bad one

• changing aureus' jump to cancel all momentum is generally a bad idea because then the differentiation in AIs between believe it or not aureus and ravager becomes repetitive. they work on similar logic and if you choose to cancel aureus' jump momentum, logic dictates you'd also have to cancel ravager's jump momentum. so this suggestion while understandable doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and aureus is not the only enemy or even boss to behave in the way that it does

[hollow shell]

Second point is nearly incomprehensible

If Ravager also has ridiculous drift jumps in Phase 1 then we can just change him too right?

But I don't think he does. I didn't notice them at least
They're just normal Golem jumps

@proven delta Don't post joke suggestions

[frosty trellis]

Also SIS regardless

[errant cloud]

in the event he does, its possible to change his too

but the general point i was making is that if ravager and aureus act similar in AI for the jump momentum and just their jumps in general

it doesnt feel like a good idea to alter one of them

because then you're implicitly forced to alter the other

if the suggestion is about aureus then the idea is to change only aureus and not ravager

so when you're forced implicitly to change both of them it doesn't feel like a good idea

[hollow shell]

??? Why not

Are you just asking for the suggestion to be changed from "Change Aureus's jumps" to "Change Aureus's and Ravager's jumps"

[errant cloud]

not necessarily asking, but i am pointing out that's what it would naturally morph into

something something "this AI is similar to this other AI, therefore we must change both", bla bla "stability is paramount"

[stuck cave]

i

don't see that logic

or at least i don't think anyone actually follows that

they're separate bosses

[errant cloud]

in appearance yes though in behavior its a little more muddled

[stuck cave]

..,i'm not just talking about appearance lmao

[errant cloud]

you seem very combative, what i'm saying is merely observations rather than counterpoints

for me its not that deep

this is just a wendy's, i just work here

think about it this way: the suggestion wants to change aureus' jumps and their momentum stuff. okey, so you do that and then you notice ravager's jumps work in a similar fashion. well shiet, now ya gotta change how ravager jumps too. ok that's done - oh wait these other attacks kind of have a similar vibe with ravager and aureus too, maybe we should spruce them up a bit more--

and the next thing you know just out of that one change you wanted to do to aureus, you're scrambling back and forth trying to like, make both aureus and ravager distinct from each other, because removing the jumps from aureus took out just a little bit too much variety of the boss

tl;dr its more work than its worth for the scope of the original change

[hollow shell]

(They were really not being any more unreasonable than you were
Unless you're also referring to them speaking previously in the conversation which I did not see)

[errant cloud]

they had posted a message they deleted while you were afk

which was abrasive and why i called them combative

[hollow shell]

Okay yes I see that now

[errant cloud]

yeye

[hollow shell]

This is kind of a bad counterargument still because you could apply this to literally any suggestion

s'what is known as the Slippery Slope Fallacy

[errant cloud]

i know what you mean so in regards to content i generally try and only pull it out with bosses to limit the uhh

chance of there being a hiccup or five

if big change, and slippery slope, consider workload anyway

if small change, and slippery slope, reject idea

something something

[fossil finch]

i mean yeah it could be applied to all suggestions but it can be more true in some cases than in others

[fossil finch]

anyways they are not

they have the difference rav levitates horizontally for a while, directly horizontally 0 fall off, and then falls

i don't remember but it was pretty wacky before, was fixed a while ago and now its pretty decent and fair

golem doesn't do that at least not in vanilla, it just jumps

[errant cloud]

^

so what i was saying is that changing aureus' jumps to not have momentum is essentially the 0 fall off that rav has (i think?)

therefore, uh

the two bosses wouldn't have as much variety and you'd be pulled down a rabbit hole trying to balance things and nitpick

to give them variety

and i dont think the effort that needs is worth the size of the change is all

;;

[hollow shell]

Well I'm going to reiterate Raine's deleted point and say Yes, I really don't think there's a way to convince you otherwise

So I will simply disagree

[errant cloud]

is oke

[golden kayak]

Just wanted to ask someone to test Brimlance vs tier 3 hm ore spears vs similar tier options

Brimlance, despite seemingly not being affected by melee speed (it does become longer, but does not become faster, unlike other spears), therefore being weaker than it should be, is an insane powerhouse that beats most things I tried either in range (it's enormous), damage, or both.

Tier 3 hm ore spears (Titanium Trident and Adamantite Glaive) on the other hand are absolute garbage. Their DPS is notably lower than Orich/Mithr spears by a large margin while not having any benefits to counteract that (trident is a bit faster but is pretty short, glaive is a bit longer but still does not compare to brimlance).
Their respective ore effects do not justify the significant damage drop either.

[hollow shell]

Sounds like a good thing to test yes
@pastel crow @worthy lintel @inner anvil

[golden kayak]

If we add Gungnir (so post 3 mechs) into account, it outperforms all mentioned spears in dps when bosses are above 75% (due to having its damage doubled) but after that it (generally) becomes less useful than Brimlance once again just because the range on that thing is insane.

[pastel crow]

good to know, but we cant really do much about it at the moment

[golden kayak]

Just wanted to share in case this was somehow missed

[hollow shell]

Well you can still officially verify Kuv's claims and keep them in mind for later right

note em down, testing-results channel

[golden kayak]

sorry xyk

[hollow shell]

Well that just sounds like Gungnir's intended usecase

It is close in tier to Brimlance

[golden kayak]

It's more to put into perspective how ore spears do not have a usecase/what it takes to outclass brimlove

[hollow shell]

m

[inner anvil]

I imagine Xyk has dealt with it.

[small timber]

Abit late but I think aureus jump (and to certain degree ravager, but that one is less confusing) just need more visual clarity yeah

Since currently the most confusing part is how if you are located at an upper platform it can just jump into you, which of course make people salty since it become "undodgeable", as not everyone will have a perfectly flat surface arena ready (which is the best arena for the boss)

I dont know how weird this might look, but assuming to keep the current (first iteration) of the jump but more fair, maybe make it jump much sharper initially so instead of slamming into the player if they are higher, aureus instead jump above them before slamming down?

Something like this maybe (sorry for the phone doodle)

[inner anvil]

Yes, your same drawing was alreayd posted by someone else before.

[small timber]

(I think that was rover though I thought it was proposing a slight rework where aureus' jump eventually ends instead of persistently trying to go above the player, but yeah similar idea)

[inner anvil]

Uh huh.

[pastel crow]

wtf happened

why does it scale this hard with melee speed?

[inner anvil]

Bruh?

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[pastel crow]

and seems like the vanilla spears don't get range at all from melee speed

[inner anvil]

Ok, tMod fixed that for 1.4, because they weren't supposed to increase their range but increase their speed, but I guess modded lances are still 1.3 lances.

[frosty trellis]

Wait, that's how much range the spear gets from melee speed?

That's insane

[novel belfry]

it's not even a true melee weapon anymore, it's just a thrown spear

[golden kayak]

How much melee speed did you get what the fuck

[pastel crow]

100%

lul

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Dsr and 6 feral claws lmao

[hollow shell]

"just a few QoL mods"

[frosty trellis]

Wingslot is qol I swear

[errant cloud]

wingslot

[hollow shell]

hmmmmmm an in-game Class Setups

[small mortar]

wingslot moment

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-or-not-orange-cat-smile-cat-smiling-orange-cat-gif-23340477

[lethal prism]

What does 🗜️ mean? Just wondering

I know ❗ is basically "no lol"

[inner anvil]

Not well formatted.

[lethal prism]

Kk, thanks

[hollow shell]

Yeah it means the bot can't transfer the suggestion to voting, because it doesn't have a properly separated title and description

[small timber]

Isnt armor guide a bit too meta?

[crude geode]

yes

[small timber]

Since most armors are way more viable than the point of progression they are at, eg: statigel are perfectly fine even until plantera

(oh the one posted it is not the same person that asked about formatting)

@fluid panther the suggestion is not formatted properly, bot cannot process it, it should be:

Title
(Shift+enter)
Body/reasoning of the suggestion

Additionally I do think an "armor guide" is a bit too meta for the mod

[drowsy plank]

@fluid panther https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Class_setups

oh lmao

[small timber]

The mod have support for the wiki mod already, additionally yeah class setup guide already exist

[swift wharf]

mythril

[drowsy plank]

they probably want something like the eternity guide or whatever the fuck it's called from fargo's

[small timber]

(and off tier armors are definitely viable, worst case you can always just see if the newest material you van get have armor)

[frosty trellis]

Mythril being viable forever
Aerospec being an insane movement armor until reaver

[swift wharf]

jump GOD

[small timber]

I mena fargo is also fargo where you have to get 90% of non-furniture item in the game

[drowsy plank]

eternity advisor

[frosty trellis]

Crystal Assassin is good until Post Plant due to the free dash it provides

Opens up a slot for more damage, movement speed or defense

[drowsy plank]

the funniest part is advisor doesnt even recommend armors it only does accessories lmfao

[small timber]

Fargo dont really add new armor beside mutant and gaia iirc

So yeah, not much point for armor guide, since you just get along fine with vanilla ones

[frosty trellis]

And I fail to see how cryogen is a bad boss

[lilac fulcrum]

cryogen is a good boss, a better suggestion would be to replace calamitas clone with a good boss

[frosty trellis]

Calclone is getting a sprite overhaul

And Calclone is my personal favorite fight in the mod

[lilac fulcrum]

but is it getting an ai overhaul?

[frosty trellis]

Wtf are you on

Not sure

[modest verge]

anyone have any ideas on why devourer laser grid is turning my game into a slideshow, i turned off afterimages and reduced frames

was told to ask here idk why

[hot zephyr]

skill issue

[crude geode]

Who?

[modest verge]

thanks

[hot zephyr]

not talking to you, talking to v1

[cobalt pewter]

@craggy ibex replace your mom with cryogen

[modest verge]

ok good

[hot zephyr]

doesn't really seem like a suggestion though

[modest verge]

i know

was confused why someone told me to ask here

[lilac fulcrum]

i hate calamitas clone because it is pathetically easy except for the bullet hells

[frosty trellis]

Well

[lilac fulcrum]

the brothers phase is just easier twins

[frosty trellis]

The bullet hells are a little overtuned because the instant they pass the character position on when they spawn them speed up a lot

So I get ya there

[burnt condor]

I found her hard 😭

[frosty trellis]

But the bullet hells aren't too bad

[lilac fulcrum]

the bullet hells and the 10% area are cool

[inner anvil]

The "S" Word Meter is raising around here.

[frosty trellis]

?

[inner anvil]

"S" stands for subjective.

[frosty trellis]

Fair

I do believe the bullets speeding up a ton right as they reach character position is overtuned

Or right after

[lilac fulcrum]

the soul seekers exist seemingly only because supreme calamitas has soul seekers

[frosty trellis]

Also yeah the seekers do nothing

[inner anvil]

Eventually we'll do something.

[lilac fulcrum]

the basic phases are just the twins but with only one eye

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[lilac fulcrum]

the brothers phase is just easier twins

[frosty trellis]

Calclone will get reworked eventually

[lilac fulcrum]

music to my ears

my nonexistent robot ears

[frosty trellis]

Fix some of the issues with the normal part being easy, seekers doing something and tune down the bullet hells slightly and it will be much, much better lol

[lilac fulcrum]

mostly i think it's just an easier twins in a lot of cases

the eye of cthulhu at least presents the challange of not having a dash

[grim tusk]

@fluid panther amidias kinda does that (gives good advice too), although we are never making a class setups npc and that page was a mistake since players ignore the disclaimer so fucking often
Also no title nor reasoning

@hollow shell get a shotgun I think we got a joke sugg #suggestions-posting message

[ruby plover]

aw come on, i thought someone with a protogen pfp would make an actual based suggestion

not a joke one

[grim tusk]

@low venture he was banned ages ago for spam

And thats not the place to request bans for players

[swift wharf]

"replace cryogen with a good boss" fucking broke me

[grim tusk]

Thats mod mail shit

[inner anvil]

Who?

[grim tusk]

Jimbo

[hot zephyr]

It's me, I'm the boss

[low venture]

Toxic Person

[unique vector]

BAANEDD!!!!

[grim tusk]

guy who shits anything Cal related since Cataclysmic Armaggedon was banned from both Calamity and Infernum servers

[low venture]

Fine Imma delete my post. Just saw how Toasty was being harassed by him

[grim tusk]

The day Cata was banned from Infernum he spammed Infernum bad on #other-mod-talk which got him banned after not complying with moderators

[low venture]

Wait why was Cataclysmic Armaggedon Banned?

[hot zephyr]

you're next

[grim tusk]

Very dark humor

[low venture]

He he he ha (Seriously tho tell me)

[swift wharf]

Discord drama :/

[inner anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-drama-drama-argument-political-gif-24419538

[low venture]

What happened

[swift wharf]

Can we talk about why cryogen should be replaced with a good boss instead

[inner anvil]

He did multiple very dark humor jokes when Fab was around, Fab didn't like it, banned.

I type too fast.

[cobalt pewter]

clearly cryogen should be replaced by XP-00 Hypnos or whatever that name is

[low venture]

Tell me the jokes I love dark humor

[swift wharf]

Based pizz

Also reviving old drama in the suggestion channel or anywhere is kinda crinfe

[grim tusk]

This is not the place

[inner anvil]

Wasn't around, but I don't know man, something about pedophilia, I don't really care man, what's done is done.

[swift wharf]

with an f

[grim tusk]

Wait he did more than just the holocaust one? Jeez

[low venture]

DM me

[inner anvil]

I don't know.

Wasn't around, and really don't care.

[hot zephyr]

I died to the boss therefore remove

[cobalt pewter]

lowkey tho aureus is all levels of ass

already 2 suggestions on its bs in #suggestions-posting

[swift wharf]

True....

[grim tusk]

:soootrue:

[inner anvil]

I won to the boss, therefore buff.

Add instakill or something.

[low venture]

No

Instakill bad

[inner anvil]

Sooo true.

[low venture]

This is why people harrased infernum devs (Tho I DO NOT SUPPORT IT)

[hot zephyr]

Add instakill

[low venture]

Also it seems that history is repeating itself

[inner anvil]

I'm going to instakill you.

[hot zephyr]

I'm already dead 💀

[inner anvil]

I'll revive you with a Zorpalod.

Cope.

[hot zephyr]

[inner anvil]

Zörp.

[swift wharf]

Dubious specimen

[inner anvil]

Great creature.*

[low venture]

Can I make infernum suggestions since the discord's nuked?

[hot zephyr]

no

[inner anvil]

We aren't involved with it, so no.

[low venture]

Awww 😢

[grim tusk]

#other-mod-talk might be the best attempt but probably not the best place

And about DoG’s instakill it would be gone next patch

Hopefully the circling cheese (due to a bug) is also finally fixed

[craggy ibex]

she would make a better boss then cryogen

[half sage]

the suggestion/bug channels being locked is temporary (to try to get people to actually read the announcement instead of rushing to the one channel they have access to to ask what happened), when they're back up you can suggest them there

[cobalt pewter]

I said replace your mom with cryogen, not the other way around

anyways bad sugg

[craggy ibex]

nah

either make his shit easier to see for classes that use over the top projectiles or replace him

way to small

[vast sonnet]

two simple solutions to projectile visibility: 1. fight cryogen at night 2. dangersense

[inner anvil]

We can make the projectiles more visible yes, but we don't think he needs any more changes than that.

I recognize that they should be easier to see at daytime.

[cobalt pewter]

Omniscience exists ig

[inner anvil]

Omniscience sometimes works and sometimes makes things worse.

[burnt condor]

ah a visibility problem then! while I didn’t have that problem myself I’ve seen other people mention it (and I personally feel that a potion isn’t really a solution) but you should maybe lead with that or put it in your suggestion so things can be fixed and addressed

but yeah I’d vote for making it easier to see for sure

[frosty trellis]

Cough terminus SCal cough

Which has shitty visibility regardless

[small timber]

wait what that is not intended?

I thought that phase it was intended that DoG circle the player

and if you do a mistake it just eat you if you dont stay static

what if cryogen just force a dark background/shader even if you fight it at day?

since the currently shader/background is much less visible on daytime's bright colour anyway

[inner anvil]

We can just make the projectiles have the same pallete as Cryogen itself and the problem would be resolved.

Because Cryogen is more of a dark blue and the projectiles are more blue-white.

[unborn oriole]

Omniscence potions:

[crude geode]

.

[unborn oriole]

It works for cryogen

Or just fight it at night

[crude geode]

Cool.

Maybe don’t make a potion an accessibility option

[inner anvil]

Nah, I don't like that you need to fight a boss at night time to actually see.

If you can fight at day, just be able.

[frosty trellis]

I fight cryogen at night specifically because it's a lot easier to see then

[inner anvil]

Correct, me as well.

[drowsy plank]

how many times have we "made cryogen projectiles more visible" at this point

[inner anvil]

A couple, but I can just ask Fab.

[drowsy plank]

alright

im hoping that if it does happen again, that this is the last time we have to worry about it

[inner anvil]

We'll see.

[drowsy plank]

🤞

[inner anvil]

Recently Fab has been changing many projectiles to be more visible, so I'm sure he'll have no problem with Cryogen.

Like Queen Bee for example, he made the stingers more visible.
Or Eater of Worlds as well.

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[grim tusk]

Werent cryogen projectiles made more and more darker blue over the course of the mod

[small timber]

after refighting aureus several times yeah jump is definitely not the problem, the homing crystal having 0 indicator of how it behave definitely is

I can only guess the idea of the homing crystal is that it predicts you at if you move at constant speed it just auto miss, but since you are dodging the walls, jumps etc your speed will be changing (slow down and speed up) so the crystal just become off screen projectiles that hit you before you can react

(and the wall projectile speed up at low hp is incredibly toxic, I think aureus' movement speed being increased is already enough, the wall speed up just lead to cheap hit when you cant outrun aureus)

[small timber]

(speaking of storm weaver, blast did tell me to ping him regarding the storm weaver misstiming thing)

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make Cosmic Gurdians spawn from a portal rather than just appearing]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@unborn stream - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the Slime Gods able to drop through platforms]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@cobalt pewter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Change the recipe of "Sirenproof Earmuffs" so that it'd be accessible in early Hardmode.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@solar dagger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the flame visual effect of the accessory "Calamity" still visible even if the item is equipped on vanity slots]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@open meadow - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Summon Minions hide into the player when there are no enemies around]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@wintry gale - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Fearmonger wings and a... god slayer jetpack i guess?]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a crafting recipe for magic conch]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@native nebula - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[** While the Old One's Army event is active, disable the Minion Damage Reduction when holding non-summoner weapons on Old One's Army Sentries .**]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the world selection menu default to Expert Mode]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@jolly wadi - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make abyss scarier]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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[cobalt pewter]

insert rat flip

[drowsy plank]

wasnt expecting "scarier abyss" to pass but it is a plesant surprise

fearmonger wings are another suprising one

[jolly wadi]

literally thought it would get 1 vote and move on

[drowsy plank]

overall good decisions, just hoping they dont't die in backlog like my combo mining/building accs

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[crude geode]

All suggs die in backlog

[frosty trellis]

Not all

Just a number

[crude geode]

Yeah but it’s more entertaining to say all of them do

[jolly wadi]

wouldn't some people hate having abyss be scarier

cause people don't like scary

[drowsy plank]

trying to decide how soon is too soon to try and resub

idk sounds cool to me lmao

[wintry gale]

imagine abyss with subnautica's dead zone vibe

[jolly wadi]

5/5 biome

[distant gyro]

one day

[jolly wadi]

would shit my pants

[drowsy plank]

christ

[frosty trellis]

My god

[drowsy plank]

almost as many messages as stars it took to get a vote through on the old system

[distant gyro]

prior to nycro's bot

[drowsy plank]

augh

[distant gyro]

1503 total

[drowsy plank]

are those all the unfinished ones or just literally all of them

[distant gyro]

unfinished

525 implemented

so 74% of approved suggestions get backlogged statistically

[crude geode]

20% sent rate
26% implementation rate

5.2% chance your suggestion actually makes it in game currently

[jolly wadi]

[hollow shell]

That's actually better than I expected

I thought it'd be like 10% implementation rate or lower

Pleasant surprise

[distant gyro]

the newer suggestions have a higher chance to clear out of backlogs with brav and others doing the grind™️ every so often

31% implementation for nycrobot stats

[hollow shell]

nice

[keen zodiac]

aren't cosmic guardians getting removed in the distortion update

[short walrus]

Where on earth did you hear that

[keen zodiac]

i swear i heard it

maybe in the dog resprite text

because dog is cocky and doesn't need help

and they add nothing to the fight (like brimlings)

apparently it's not in the text and i'm dumb

[cobalt pewter]

abyss fishing was meant for people who can't stand Abyss' spook to grind the abyss materials (which iirc are pretty helpful)

[golden kayak]

On that note
Just me or Brimmy'a projectiles blend in with hell background sometimes?

[crude geode]

“Rework all of vanilla’s bad weapons/design choices”

[ruby plover]

its an unnecessary suggestion really
i think the magic missile line is pretty neat :) and they each have different amounts of piercing, as well as flamelash exploding on the second hit

[swift wharf]

flamelash slander

[swift bone]

Bro flamelash is fun to use, even if impractical

[swift wharf]

and why rework the better weapon instead of the worse one

[bright crag]

I do plan on changing Flamelash and Magic Missile to be a bit different

With Missile focusing on casting speed, and Flamelash focusing on damage/DoT

I'll see how doable it is once I get to that

[small timber]

it will be a bit werid I think, particularly flamelash

the strongest enemy you encountering at this point are abyss enemy, underworld enemy, slime god and wof

I dont know if fire dot go out in abyss (under water), I assume underworld enemy are heat resistant, slime god have a special formula for heat resistance and wof is heat resistant too I think?

so basically the point where flamelash is available/useful all of the target you can use it on are heavily resistant to the DoT

[drowsy plank]

it could be decent for early hardmode

or just add some consistent method of getting oiled

i forget does slime gun count towards fire debuff bonuses

[ashen warren]

ngl there should be some coping involved

[zenith flicker]

Should they add a post-moonlord biome to calamity, I think that would be cool

[half sage]

they will

at least 2 post ML biomes and 1 post ML subworld that I know of

[zenith flicker]

Nice, that'll help post-moonlord feel less like a boss rush

Do we know what these biomes will look like yet?

[crude geode]

I like how GSS is gonna go help bloat post provi, very helpful

[half sage]

as opposed to post plant, which has no bloat whatsoever

[crude geode]

True

I was also gonna suggest just. deleting it but idk what the plans are exactly for it’s drops

They would kinda need to narrow it down from just a single weapon for every class, which just kinda seems. eh for variety

Same

It feels so unnecessary for a biome that already gets a good chunk of content, including two minibosses that are already sometimes forgotten

[zenith flicker]

Wow

[drowsy plank]

gss is so weird

it's so forgettable

[crude geode]

It’s also the third desert miniboss that you fight once and never again

[drowsy plank]

i dont even remember if any of it's items are included in later upgrades besides exactly sand shark tooth necklace

honestly sstn could just as easily be made from mats from... normal sand sharks

[half sage]

its rogue weapon gets an upgrade post ceaseless and its flail gets turned into dragon pow

but both are donor so not technically intended to get upgrades

[fossil finch]

this implies post provi is being kept as is tho

bloodstone may be retiered entirely to be pre her considering the talks about rav being retiered considered it being post ml

[drowsy plank]

honestly u could put gss between dog and yharon or yharon and scal/exos bc rn everything on those tiers just requires u to kill the bosses a bunch. like ase doesnt feel like anything special it could drop straight from DoG and it'd basically be the same thing

i know distortion and aerie will fix that but rn

idk

[crude geode]

I love devplans.png

[drowsy plank]

lmao

i mean post Provi or Moon Lord GSS makes about as much sense

[crude geode]

It would also be just. more (mini)boss fighting

[drowsy plank]

true

finally cthulhu is dead now i can fight... a big shark in sand

yeah

[fossil finch]

i mean by the time like

[drowsy plank]

i hate this man fr

[fossil finch]

by the time gss is retiered

we'd probably have advanced on those biome plans anyway

[drowsy plank]

true

hopefully at least

[crude geode]

Do we have any confirmation on this being a thing?

[fossil finch]

ozz said once bloodstone was crags but it was also said bloodstone was rav

and then altix one day told friz on the matter of the rav retier that the talks were about it being post ml

i just had assumed it was post prov because bloodstone is ther

[drowsy plank]

i always thought rav was gonna become the Bloodstone Boss™

[crude geode]

That was the assumption due to the suggs regarding it

and it making thematic sense

[fossil finch]

also becausee yeah

that one sugg about retiering rav got approved

also fab once said that with the overhaul and stuff he'd make rav's stomps release "bloodfare souls"

[drowsy plank]

u know i at least got why calclone dropped bloodstone but... brimmy?? never got that one. also always did her bc she's the easiest due to being from the earliest in progression lmao

sounds cool

[small timber]

I mean, nuclear terror is basically a post-polter miniboss

Unless gss is reworked into an actual boss I dont think it will be a very big deal, you just get some upgrade from it and thats it

[crude geode]

It’s because the theming between ravager, brimmy/brimstone crags, and cal was kinda messy and hard to differentiate in old implementations

Brimstone crags getting separated and more defined will help with that

[crude geode]

I think that one is a bit different because it is part of an event with effort put into it to make it less nonsensical

[radiant meadow]

@orchid wing I'm fairly sure sitting in calamity chairs is in the latest cal update

You can sit in Benches in the next Calamity update

https://i.gyazo.com/37afe0d7957dd26a4e138a754d32e19c.mp4

[grave zinc]

@orchid wing - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make calamity furniture function like vanilla furniture]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

go on

sit on the astral beacon

[radiant meadow]

no

[frosty trellis]

Yes

[sand ermine]

sit on it.

[hollow shell]

@swift bone You should acknowledge the town npc spawnrate config options in your suggestion

(also wdym "messes up my housing", shouldn't they all return to their prior positions when you assign em manually and get the gold bordered banner?)

[stable musk]

it doesn't fix the problem what dog and scal can commit mass murder

iirc they house randomly at all tomes

[hollow shell]

Yes it doesn't prevent the mass murder, it just makes it so you recover from that murder extremely fast

[stable musk]

overall town npcs invincibility would be a niche especially after gravity affected worm boss

[radiant meadow]

they should

[stable musk]

you still must change the npc housing as iirc terraria doesn't save it

[hollow shell]

https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/NPC_flag

read last sentences

[radiant meadow]

if another NPC happens to move into that house first, then obviously they'd need to find a different home

[stable musk]

then you must assign ALL npcs you have

or they will switch places

[hollow shell]

I'm pretty sure that cannot happen but it can still be prevented by manually assigning all NPCs so that they never attempt to move into a home that isn't theirs

Yeah it's really not a big deal

[radiant meadow]

well if you like happen to have one house, then it can probably happen

[stable musk]

mostly if you're just a "grind -> kill boss -> grind" person then it will mess up your housing 100%

[radiant meadow]

if you had like idk the painter and he died but then you had reqs for the merchant

but I think they try to prevent that

[hollow shell]

Also if you have houses where you care who is living where, you'd have done manual assignments already

[stable musk]

OR just don't let them die and don't do the "fun" 5 minute sentence of assigning every npc around giant house most people totally build

[radiant meadow]

If you really don't like NPC deaths, there's mods to prevent that

[frosty trellis]

^

NPCs don't die is a mod already

[hollow shell]

Yes and the elephant in the room, "NPCs Don't Die" exists

[stable musk]

then invalid sugg

ready your ❗

[hollow shell]

I am not sure what the best course of action is validity-wise for suggesting something already covered by another mod

[radiant meadow]

I don't think another mod already existing necessarily invalidates the suggestion but it does make it very redundant

[frosty trellis]

If it's from a content mod then I would say it's fine to suggest that kind of thing, but from a known qol mod I would say invalid, but that's my two cents

[radiant meadow]

e.g. Calamity still buffs Tax Collector in spite of that Tax Collector buff mod that had support for Cal bosses

I think Cal does anyways

although NPCs Don't Die is super common QoL

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[radiant meadow]

it'd be like saying add Recipe Browser to Calamity

[frosty trellis]

Mhm

Or insta bridges or multi summons when Fargo's mutant exists

If it's a qol thing from a content mod that no widely known qol mod does I would say it's fair game

[hollow shell]

Pretty sure Calamity reduces respawn timers despite that also having a dedicated mod

by Jopo

[frosty trellis]

Well fair

But stuff that is in stuff like Fargo's mutant, census, NPCs don't die, Alchlite, etc. Should be a no go

[hollow shell]

Really there is no consistent precedent for this

[inner anvil]

And if you combine both mods (Cal's fast respawn and Jopo's fast respawn) you can't respawn.

[radiant meadow]

respawning is overrated

[hollow shell]

(You mention AlchLite despite us making NPCs sell all vanilla potions...)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but not calamity

And also no combinations, selling fallen stars or calamity drops, or treasure bags or whatever

Lots of other things

I would just make a list of common and well known qol mods that you can't suggest qol changes those already do. Just download that mod

Simple as that

[radiant meadow]

I also enjoy mass murder of my NPCs. It's very useful for testing

[grave zinc]

@keen zodiac - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make "Calamity" (the accessory) not instantly kill the skeleton merchant]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@silver badger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make the scorpio crafted at an ancient manipulator]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[cobalt pewter]

actually I don't remember if my sugg about replacing potion selling with increased potion craft yields even made it

[hollow shell]

I would fuckin like that change

Making NPCs sell them feels like we just gave up and hand potions to them

[cobalt pewter]

I think this wasn't delivered yet? but I am not entirely sure

[hollow shell]

It's time didn't come yet

[cobalt pewter]

alright

I lost the sense of time

typical

[hollow shell]

None of the other suggs around it are delivered either so

byeah there's a change

chance

[cobalt pewter]

true

[grave zinc]

@solar dagger - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make the flame visual effect of the accessory "Calamity" still visible even if the item is equipped on vanity slots]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[neat linden]

Based

[distant gyro]

free lag generator

[worthy lintel]

a small price to pay

[neat linden]

not as bad as the provi dye

the configs hp slider exists

unless that's broken in mp somehow

[drowsy plank]

sounds more like a problem with the way you play than calamity

[orchid wing]

Good bot pats bot on head

[fossil finch]

@lone trench literally already exists look at calamity's config menu

[radiant meadow]

I love free lag

who doesn't love free stuff

[lone trench]

Can’t read mb

[small timber]

Though 84 is quite slim yeah, since usually even 120+ might not get in

(I wonder if people just use alcnpc or permabuff mod and just dont care about it)

[grave zinc]

@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rename Wulfrum Pylons]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[drowsy plank]

huh

that was one hell of a problem that didnt need solving but hell if it didnt just get solved

[hot zephyr]

wulfrum amplifier

[crude geode]

Biggest change in cal yet

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Have the Bloodfin not be consumed upon pressing the "Quick Buff" button.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

Thousands of controversial discussions spawned over the Wulfrum amplifier

[drowsy plank]

honestly we manage to turn everything into an argument so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it could happen

[hollow shell]

Oh damn this actually got added?

I didn't expect that, I thought that'd be a bitch to do

[radiant meadow]

it was removing 2 lines of code

lol

[hollow shell]

Awesome!

[radiant meadow]

it was more of a bitch to make it work with quick buff

lmfao

alongside hadal stew and margarita

[lyric jewel]

Why can’t the muramasa attack through block? Isn’t calamity all about giving good gear QOL? Armour gives lava protection, wings give water walking. Why can’t the weapon that is clearly inside the blocks deal damage there

It’s such a pet peeve but it’s so annoying

[small timber]

Another one that should also be changed is maybe aureus cell?

Aureus cell is still getting used by manaflower last time I try it (alongside bloodfin)

[crude geode]

Aureus Cell should not give mana I agree

[drowsy plank]

why did we make the healing potions work via quick buff anyway...?? (we already have quick heal...)

[hollow shell]

That is a very roundabout comparison

[small timber]

Either not give mana or not used by manaflower yeah

[radiant meadow]

because they give buffs

[drowsy plank]

i mean

yeah i GUESS

[small timber]

Though I think the easy solution is not give mana, no one use cell for mana flower

[hollow shell]

byeah it is best that Bloodfin work with Quick Heal and not Quick Buff considering it is meant to be a healing potion alternative

[radiant meadow]

making aureus cell not be consumed via quick mana should be a suggestion to have it just not grant mana

[hollow shell]

Its buff only lasts 10 second and it inflicts Potion Sickness

[drowsy plank]

just noticed mana regen in vanilla got a buff to last for 8 minutes compared to aureus's 6...

while power is still 4

that's gonna be a headache...

[small timber]

Does calamity bottled honey also get used at full hp with quick buff and cause potion sickness?

[crude geode]

It’s because all the duration got doubled iirc

[small timber]

That one I am not sure how to change, it is both intentional and not

[crude geode]

Which just worsens the problem

[small timber]

Yeah vanilla.just decided to double many potion durations at 1.4

[hollow shell]

Hmm good question

[drowsy plank]

i love potions!!! i love how red just haphazardly threw this system in and barely seems to care about making it functional!!!!!

[hollow shell]

(context)

[small timber]

Mana regen and magic power used to be 4 min, aureus lasting 6 was one of the main reason of using it

[crude geode]

you can use the second sentence to refer to half of red’s systems

Mana (derogatory)

[small timber]

Mana is very important for summoner when you are sentry spamming to reset the firing

[crude geode]

When you’re using an unintentional mechanic?

[drowsy plank]

it's cooler than
places sentry
forgets about sentry

[small timber]

(it was meant to be sarcastic about how mana on summoner matter more than mage due to mana flower, but I dont know how to continue)

[radiant meadow]

I don't think so

I don't think you can use it with quick buff

[drowsy plank]

like half the calamity sentries that are good are either stupidly high dps, or just orbs that create a bunch of projectiles you can kite a boss through, or have homing

bottled water should give 2 minutes wet debuff

lmao mushroom gives mushy

ez

[small timber]

Bottled water give 2 minute of well hydrated buff

Which is just well fed but half as strong

[drowsy plank]

amazing

[hollow shell]

which Well Fed? There's 3 now

[small timber]

Lowest tier, but ya

[crude geode]

I’m trying to find the main argument here but also I’m just gonna go and reference different mod that works

[ashen warren]

This is amazing. Thanks again Devs for implementing my suggestion!

It's gunna be so awesome to use Bloodfins without that downside.

[small timber]

(since it is well fed, plenty satisfied (?) and exquisitely stuffed now)

[crude geode]

Thorium sentry is fun cuz you pick your focus of summons (either sentry or typical summons), and then have to kite bosses around your turrets

Though I haven’t seen what they’ve done post 1.4, if they have ported

[fossil finch]

not yet

[crude geode]

Makes sense

[small mortar]

someone needs to make a balance mod for thorium and calamity in the future

the main issue with mixing those 2 mods is they're balanced very differently

[hollow shell]

There was one that tried to exist, back in 1.3

[small timber]

Calamity is balanced around expert rev and thoroum is around expert (even if set aside the post-ML progression)

So ya tldr too much work and likely even with effort it will still just not be very balanced

Since it is not just damage numbers or boss hp numbers; even mobility, gear, potions etc matters

[frosty trellis]

It took 5 suggestions for that to finally get implemented but THANK GOD

[hot zephyr]

I'm gonna revert it brb

[drowsy plank]

anyway my latest sugg very funny haha

it would be hilarious if this manages to pass

[small timber]

Tbh anything that do not help with recovery will generally only be for flavour

The only useful one is pretty much just bottled honey

The fact that all of them just cause potion sickness is too high cost for a gimmick buff

[drowsy plank]

if wet was long enough i could see it, for eggnog, it's already comparable to honey, at healing 80 HP, so some other buff would be necessary, for mushrooms, it was just some way to turn mushy into an actual buff. and strange brews just need to be looked at in general because they're trash

like rn eggnog is slightly better than basics ass healing pot, and worse than literally everything else

giving it well fed could at least give it a reason to exist

plus this connects to another sugg someone made a while back about well fed being kinda hard to get preHM (i didnt agree, but at least this is another way to obtain it)

[eternal escarp]

water and mushroom ideas kinda cute ngl

[drowsy plank]

:)

[eternal escarp]

mushy increases defense iirc so i can see it being cool

esp with mushrooms having lower cooldown since 1.4

[grave zinc]

@pine kernel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make repair units able to be caught with a bug net or other means]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[fossil finch]

repair units cage when

[radiant meadow]

https://i.gyazo.com/3804cdaf61709ebd7d5c5ab7a0be58d3.mp4

when someone sprites a cage

[drowsy plank]

even just putting mushy on glowing mushrooms would be fine, but mushy just is in. such a weird place rn. you get it from passive crabulon and clawmerang stealth strikes. which like. the second is fine but could easily just be turned into a lingering effect like fairy boots or something instead of wasting a buff slot, and the crabulon one is just... weird. this at least gives it more of an actual reason to exist

[hot zephyr]

they escaped

you've doomed us all

[drowsy plank]

evil repair unit

[grave zinc]

@cerulean condor - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Sulphurous Sand Should be Diggable With Gravedigger's Shovel]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[ashen warren]

Calval monoliths tho

Well they are currently dead so

[fossil finch]

did you read their suggestion

[grave zinc]

@random pendant - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make supreme calamitas teleport back into the arena if she is outside the arena once she is at 1% health]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[random pendant]

WooHoo!

[radiant meadow]

I didn't do any arena checks. Now that I have read the suggestion entirely

she just always teleports

but no matter

[ashen warren]

Yeah I just read the whole thing lmao

[grave zinc]

@dapper thicket - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Convert Pre-Hardmode, vanilla ores into astral ore within the initial Astral Biome creation]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[dapper thicket]

Wooo

[fossil finch]

based

[half sage]

me omw to mine astral ore from the underground instead of the meteor so I can hear the underground theme

[radiant meadow]

astral solution and star struck water won't convert ores

just the initial meteor

[dapper thicket]

That's what I intended /pos

[sand ermine]

recipe is big enough

also they spelled cthulhu wrong both times

[small mortar]

can you blame them though

[fossil finch]

yes chad emoji or something

[dapper tendon]

It's not supposed to be spelled correctly

[fossil finch]

what type of excuse is that

[short walrus]

why would you do that intentionally

[fossil finch]

like you don't have to be ultra formal but "intentionally" misspelling stuff is stupid

[short walrus]

(and there's no way this would pass dev voting, regardless of how many stars you get)

[dapper tendon]

Because I can

[dapper tendon]

I know

But it's a try

[short walrus]

so why suggest it

if you know it will never happen

[dapper tendon]

I try

[fossil finch]

also ram line starts with cryo shield anyway

[keen drum]

probably already been told this but there are two types of shield dashes in calamity

vanilla one is bonking which is dashing into an enemy and bouncing off

calamity one is ramming which is dashing into an enemy and iframing through them

soc is different from calamity dashes so it wouldnt really make sense to have them combined

better as a mobility accessory for dodging attacks rather than meleeing enemies to avoid contact damage

[ruby plover]

SoC already feels seperate from the shield bash line

dont need to force it into that line unnecessarily

[keen drum]

honestly i think itd be cool if soc became a ram for consistency

are there any other bonks in the game?

[crude geode]

Nope, which is what makes it memorable

[keen drum]

if not this then maybe making the non-shield dash accessories give bonk for more usability

idk how good that line is

i never really use it

[native nebula]

I think the SoC deserves its spot as the early game dash before being replaced by Counter Scarf after Skeletron

Like how a lot of early game accessories get swapped out eventually

It's useful for the time you have it and memorable for it
And I think that's all it needs

[keen drum]

yeah fair

[sand ermine]

@warped coyote only reason being "it would be cool"

[grave zinc]

@wet gust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff miner set]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give Reaver Headgear Set (Mining/Exploration One) More Pickspeed and Better Effect]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gilded scroll]

wheres the damn wulfrum toilet-

WHERES MY DAMN TOILET REEE

[fossil finch]

summoner subclass that uses mounts fucking crying

[gilded scroll]

the mount class lmao

[burnt condor]

it would be cool tho. it probably won’t fly but I think it’s fun

[gilded scroll]

speaking of Reaver Armor though, bout to make a suggestion about it

just gotta find the right way to word it....

[warped coyote]

I think it would be fun I almost never use mounts in the first place but it could be a unique way to make summoners better post moon lord because they don't have whips post moon lord (that's probably gonna change tho next major update I guess)

[ruby plover]

thats the thing though, you gotta have more reasoning that "it would be cool/fun"

theres a document pinned in this channel with the suggestion rules and stuff

[gilded lantern]

@swift bone just get a npc invincibility mod bro

[ruby plover]

@gilded scroll reverting back to old functions is a don't, and also i just disagree with your suggestion anyway

the old functions were... bland
the new functions are much more inspired, diversified, and useful

[inner anvil]

^

And plus, it wasn't "Nerfed" per say, it was just reworked.

[gilded scroll]

so your saying yet another mining speed buff is more diversified? mkay

[inner anvil]

You know there's other 2 than just the mining one, right?

[ruby plover]

and also its not just mining speed

other building utilities included

[inner anvil]

It's tank, mobility and mining.

3 armors.

[gilded scroll]

tanking isnt even that good in calamity really

[ruby plover]

i can say with confidence that the tank and movement speed reaver armours are great on tier

[inner anvil]

¿¿¿

[ruby plover]

FACETANKING isnt good, you mean

[inner anvil]

You good?

[cobalt pewter]

Look at this clown

[ruby plover]

getting hit over and over isnt possible anymore

tanking, period. that is still able to be done

[inner anvil]

Tanking is a very viable strategy that we needed to nerf a couple times.

[cobalt pewter]

anyways the fact that this is a revert sugg is already a free ❗

[crude geode]

Woah hey it’s typical cal fan #635283

[ruby plover]

as long as you are having brief pauses between getting hit, you can tank stoof

[inner anvil]

Yeah.

[gilded scroll]

well i was considering deleting it anyways sooooo

[inner anvil]

But yeah, the Reaver Tank set.

[ruby plover]

epic win

[inner anvil]

We need to nerf that thing.

That thing's busted as fuck.

[ruby plover]

ive not used it, but ive seen it in action

it doesnt need a buff

[inner anvil]

It definetly doesn't need a buff.

[ruby plover]

or a revert for that matter

i like the move away from ore armour with 5 helmets.png

[crude geode]

It’s very nice

[inner anvil]

We'll see if we need to nerf it or not, as it reduces your damage output.

We'll see.

[crude geode]

insert generic post ml armor set effects here

[inner anvil]

But yeah, I really like the state of Reaver Armor right now.

[crude geode]

It’s far from a lot of the other cal sets

[cobalt pewter]

still waiting for stealth to not rely on having a set of armor so I can actually use these classless armors

:clueless:

[ruby plover]

yeah, thats the only downside with reaver, that you cant use it with summoner or rogue really

but thats fine

ish

[inner anvil]

Maybe we should move Stealth to work when holding a Rogue weapon and not an armor.

[ruby plover]

oooo mayhaps

i mean, what about items like RoD and tools and such, though

[inner anvil]

Lol I guess?

I don't know, just threw a random idea.

[ruby plover]

use RoD and suffer

but nah i think thats a cool idea

[cobalt pewter]

I did suggest something like that

[marble moat]

i mean you could give the stealth meter like a 5 second falloff period after you swap

[cobalt pewter]

but just like any of my more niche suggs, I don't think it made it

[ruby plover]

oh cruel, cruel suggestion system

[gilded scroll]

oh well, im just gonna sit here and wait for wulfrum furniture now

[ruby plover]

does calval have that?

i know it has wulfrum plating

[cobalt pewter]

as you can see this was before stealth desc moved to stealth bar

[ruby plover]

only 120

[inner anvil]

Not based enough.

[gilded scroll]

look. all i want is my damned wulfrum toilet

[ruby plover]

why.

[cobalt pewter]

cat boom

[sand ermine]

the terra toilet was the worst thing added to terraria

[ruby plover]

me when people advocate for more toilets

[inner anvil]

Lmao toilet funny haha.

Anyways.

[ruby plover]

funny joke! unfortunately,

[sand ermine]

stupid gag which was funny for a few days

[inner anvil]

We'll add more toilets if a spriter has the energy to sprite them, but I don't think anyone has at the moment.

That's how it works.

[gilded scroll]

fuck it, ILL do it if i fucking have to.

[ruby plover]

🆒

[inner anvil]

Then do it, post it in CalArt's asset submissions and see if it gets accepted.

[sand ermine]

add in wulfrum toilet and i am now a thorium fan

[frosty trellis]

@dapper tendon There is already a dashing accessory in the Asgard's Valor recipe, Ornate Shield. It doesn't need another

[radiant meadow]

If a spriter makes toilet sprites and they get approved, it's not too much work to add them. But that means a spriter has to go make those and like why would you

[crude geode]

We already have high sprite demand and low spriter supply why would we use them for toilet memes

[gilded scroll]

hence why i said ill do it myself. after all, whats the worst that can happen foreshadowing

[drowsy plank]

@wintry wharf a lot of things emit light and dont mention it

[wintry wharf]

they should though

[drowsy plank]

that'd be like 90% of items lmao

[wintry wharf]

are you happy

[sand ermine]

: (

[wintry wharf]

i'll take that as yes

[drowsy plank]

this is fine for vanilla but i doubt it'd pass calamity's current spriting standards

[wintry wharf]

it's really just a martian toilet resprite/recolor

made it as a joke

[hollow shell]

@raw crystal The Crag pylon already has something quite similar to that

I'm surprised you didn't mention it directly

[raw crystal]

it do?

it do e.e

they need to do that to the sulphurous sea pylon

also the 2 people for the crag one is misleading