Better zoom has a limit before you see invisible blocks
#suggestions-discussion
broken jasper
drowsy plank
yes that is an engine limitation
broken jasper
That's just my dumbass speaking sorry
golden kayak
Melee speed only affects the size of Brimlance, not the speed/use time?
Stat meter shows 0% true melee attack speed on it no matter what accs I equip, while all other spears have 34% true melee attack speed (both vanilla and calamity) @pastel crow
Wiki does not say anything about this, I am a bit confused.
golden kayak
It does not get much faster, 34% is noticeable on other spears
Just becomes huge
golden kayak
this is probably fuckery from melee speed changes, and likely unintentional
I see
Well shit, I gotta use it on twins anyway
fickle thistle
@cobalt pewter Wing to fly or sth
fossil finch
this sugg is kinda sussy
like
that last part?????
that's fake as fuck
rams are already ultra better than the void sash
also you just never have a problem with this like ever
you shouldn't be relying on continous ramming at all?
spice bolt
I'm not talking about dashing through something, I'm talking about dashing to avoid something.
fossil finch
still
longer dash is barely useful at all
If anything it's worse for bosses like scal that require precision
(and rams in general are just way bette,
frosty trellis
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fossil finch
also your reasoning is kind of
"if you fail to dodge something, you fail to dodge it"
rams are not obligatory to dodge neither situations you're talking about
yharon's dashes can be avoided by flying, and dog is stupid and a worm so he can't take ultra sharp turns you do
spice bolt
DoG phase 2 moves really fast and once again, I'm not talking about ramming a boss, I'm talking about avoiding it altogether.
fossil finch
again that does not matter
rams are still better
(also because ramming allows you to avoid it altogether, if you're not ramming a boss you're putting yourself in a worse position a lot of the time)
dog and yharon specifically are very fast so trying to run away is pointless when you can just ram them
spice bolt
Try ramming DoG, you'll still get God Slayer Inferno and that debuff is really deadly.
fossil finch
meh, not worse than getting hit is it
spice bolt
You can't ram projectiles
fossil finch
also i've rammed dog hundreds of times
yeah and
going through the boss is still the better option
(you can't dash through projs either)
fossil finch
meh, not worse than getting hit is it
(on this, the only time i've had god slayer matter is when i got hit by a segment or his head anyway)
spice bolt
Dashing slightly too early is a skill issue. Dashing way too early is an erroneous mistake. You should be punished for lack of skill. You should not be punished for an erroneous mistake.
fossil finch
you could argue both are lack of skill
timing is, infact, part of the skills you have to build up thorough the game to properly beat bosses
kindred relic
Hmm i've never had issues with elysian/asgardian dashes at their tier 
in fact i think they are very good
drowsy plank
same
fossil finch
ok that's like 4 people that agree we can objectivize this as a skill issue now i guess
,
(elabora
kindred relic
They are fast enough for the current bosses speed values, infernum might be a little bit more tricky but its an addon mod
fossil finch
actually what even is their current cooldown
i play at 20 fps no frame skip and can still ram with them around every 2 seconds
kindred relic
like 1/2 seconds?
spice bolt
What about ramming stormweaver?
grim tusk
You can't ram projectiles
Counter/Evasion scarf do and dodges technically
grim tusk
Hmm i've never had issues with elysian/asgardian dashes at their tier <:thonk:35...
They are too fucking good, besides their other functionality also being fucking goated
kindred relic
Timing is essential on storm weaver to dash BEFORE he dashes, so you dodge him instead of ramming and getting electrified
grim tusk
Try ramming DoG, you'll still get God Slayer Inferno and that debuff is **really...
Better than getting hit by the head, besides you can mitigate debuffs via community or the astral jewel line
grim tusk
Timing is essential on storm weaver to dash BEFORE he dashes, so you dodge him i...
You could use transformer for immunity to electrified or tesla potion to make it hurt less
kindred relic
Stopping right after you dash might also work right?
afaik electrified stacks with the more you move
or something around that from the last time i've played
spice bolt
I’ll retract my message then
frosty trellis
afaik electrified stacks with the more you move
The debuff does more the faster you move yeah
stuck cave
They are fast enough for the current bosses speed values, infernum might be a li...
idk about other bosses but infernum dog 100% works with rams. there are a bunch of clips since the latest update of inching forward with dashes to dodge his head and every time they either don't touch him at all or get off fine with a ram
and like i'd imagine dog is the best example of that working out bc of how insanely fast it attacks
kindred relic
I was with OD in mind, but if you get the right movement pattern you can also dodge him without dashing constantly
small timber
small mortar
Obligatory https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/465195069406707722/996419161...
fuck you im going full warding
small timber
But ya, the main thing about defense is the more you stack it the more effective it is, since you go from no defense (3 shot) to some decense (4 shot) then a lot of defense (6-7 shot) real quick
small timber
fuck you im going full warding
(wait you are not even the one that said "every build is glass cannon" right)
small mortar
(wait you are not even the one that said "every build is glass cannon" right)
i never said that
small timber
Yeah
small timber
Was referring to that one
crude geode
magma armor isn't an alternative to statigel because you get magma armor so much earlier on
small mortar
i forgor
💀
on average i delete 2/3 of my suggestions
i should think about them more
perhaps a better suggestion would have just been to add alternatives to statigel armor
because statigel armor is really the only viable armor for that stage in the game for most classes
small timber
there is no real need for statigel armor alternative
pretty sure jungle armor is still good for mage, some ore armor may even be still good
(and aerialite is still there)
stuck cave
i think they are planning on making some alternatives to statigel (or maybe some other major multiclass armor, idr) but yea it's not like necessary
small timber
yeah, statigel is a bit of a weird armor
the armor (by the effect), is REALLY good for HM, but for pre-HM statigel is actually not that good
or at least not amazing, it is still good
stuck cave
if anything i think a resprite is in order for like the whole statigel line lmao
doesn't seem right compared to a lot of the other sprites in the mod
like i honestly like aerospec's look more and i'm still not a huge fan of that
small timber
statigel I think is definitely up there in the resprite list so
let me see if I can find that (it is just a sketch, but it basically do say the dev want to resprite it at some point)
ya I cant find it since I didnt have it stored, probably in the art server or something
frosty trellis
Fairly certain advertisement of said stuff isn't allowed but oke-
proud quest
Fairly certain advertisement of said stuff isn't allowed but oke-
I didnt advertise
or it wasnt intended
im just happy 130 people agree with me
frosty trellis
Fair enough
frosty trellis
@proud quest Literally in voting rn
proud quest
<@800159574262939668> Literally in voting rn
damn bro do you lurk these channels every 5 seconds?
It only specified the post moonlord coin gun so I made it so it includes every one, you dont want it to just affect a single weapon instead of all
small timber
but ya, coin weapon is like, coin gun, sevenstriker and wulfrum blunderbuss?
and out of them wulfrum blunderbuss is not really a coin weapon (it just have silver coin so you are not forced to grind metal scrap), and regular coin gun
proud quest
but ya, coin weapon is like, coin gun, sevenstriker and wulfrum blunderbuss?
coin gun, midas prime, crackshot colt, blunderbuss (?), sevens striker
frosty trellis
damn bro do you lurk these channels every 5 seconds?
I check this channel fairly often
proud quest
im only really worrying about this because the bosses are bugged when it comes to coin drops
so i have a very small supply of coins rn
small timber
wasn't people complained about how bosses drop too much coin? or they fix it last patch
crude geode
money 
proud quest
wasn't people complained about how bosses drop too much coin? or they fix it las...
wait lemme check
small timber
the part I dont like about this type of suggestion is mostly that it eliminate any risk of using the coin gun, you just have the reward if you unnecessarily grind the boss (assuming bosses still drop mass amount of coin)
small timber
in vanilla this have a significant time cost in that money are hard to come by, but in cal with infinite boss summon there is no cost
proud quest
anyways ill see if he drops coins
small timber
there is only risk with having coins in your inventory being dropped if you die, which will be eliminated if this type of suggestion get passed
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proud quest
YOOO
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proud quest
its happening
small timber
can you check other bosses? since it is only desert scourge
grave zincBOT
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proud quest
can you check other bosses? since it is only desert scourge
ok
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proud quest
wait is it over
i swear if its over
bro i was short on 10 stars
noooooooooooooooo
frosty trellis
It's been like, 2 days since your suggestion
Bot is doing it's weekly thing
Suggestion needs to be between 7 and 14 days old to contend
small timber
but ya back to the coin gun thing
personally I dont really like the idea of coin gun being able to use stored coin since you will eliminate any risk (or even cost) of using coin gun
you can grind a large amount of coin really quickly because of calamity's infinite boss summon, which is no longer a huge cost compare to vanilla's time consuming way of money acquisition
with change like this people will just spam coin gun everytime without caring since there is no risk of dropping the coin they carrying as ammo
and coin gun(s) are already at a shit spot for balancing since they cant be weak to not worth their cost, or too strong even for their cost
(and also how with things like the pirate coin gun you might accidently spent all your savings of course, since you usually store platinum in piggy bank/money trough)
or how it will interact with coins in inventory: you can say you can empty your inventory of coin, but does it prioritize the platinum coin in your piggy bank or the copper coin you just picked up
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small timber
(oh right the cosmilite thing is probably distortion)
short walrus
Damn, no animation update
I mean like
Code
And they already look janky lo
It's been two weeks and I wrote it in the middle of the night
Don't ask me
small timber
isnt slime god progression being moved suggestion is literally denied before?
short walrus
idk
also just because slime god is the first slime doesn't mean its the most powerful lol
lmao, even
spring sail
I think some1 is upset that slime god is weaker than Queen slime
small timber
ok not denied, but this
🔒 means the devs have a plan that contradict with the suggestion
frail mantle
devplans.png
small timber
in this case it is literally the same suggestion suggested by the same person
kindred creek
wait, i already suggested this?
small timber
yes
spring sail
That got me wonder what their plans may be
kindred creek
my bad
small timber
the reasoning used is a bit different, but the outcome is the same yeah (move slime god progression)
spring sail
Literally repost your own suggestion
hollow shell
Nah pretty sure the lock reason was irrelevant to Statigel
cobalt pewter
lore then?
short walrus
slime god retier already being planned maybe?
cobalt pewter
slime god preboss
small timber
slime god is secretly noxus
frosty trellis
Slime God secretly fab
worn dagger
@knotty cove I'll add more seggession to it:
Maybe have preset stats like HP, DEF and DR of every boss (have a list like boss checklist) for quick config
knotty cove
O right, I forgot Damage Reduction exists
And bosses' stats so you can copy them and test it on dummy if I got you right
worn dagger
Yup
keen zodiac
slime god is secretly noxus
if anything is noxus, it's astrageldon
small timber
if anything is noxus, it's astrageldon
astrageldon is (replaced with) astrum aureus iirc
eternal escarp
the dummy still stands in place and doesnt act like the boss so idk how much help that is
would be better i guess but like
lol
small timber
(the cataclysm mod astrageldon is not official lore, for obvious reason)
also what does "fights over dps" means?
oh, that
worn dagger
the dummy still stands in place and doesnt act like the boss so idk how much hel...
At least it wont give people false sense of power of the weapon against normal dummy and bosses
Hopefully 💀
small timber
yeah, and some weapon overperform when the target have 0 defense
notably things like beenade
(but ya debuff immunity do seem a bit weird as part of superdummy, it will be a pointless feature, most bosses are either immune to all debuff or only specific debuff)
knotty cove
(but ya debuff immunity do seem a bit weird as part of superdummy, it will be a ...
Still there's a change it has immunity to something tho
small timber
Still there's a change it has immunity to something tho
iirc only worm bosses are immune to almost all debuff (dog, destroyer etc)
for others they generally dont have immunity to debuff, other than elemental resistance
(since testing things like glacial state or slow on superdummy is pointless)
knotty cove
<@1016082833208529046> I'll add more seggession to it:
Maybe have preset stats ...
Also changed it from bosses' stats to your own settings, because feels a bit weird that you can copy only bosses' stats
worn dagger
your own setting should be the main thing, boss stats are optional
knotty cove
A
small timber
but ya, it is just me, since in my opinion the debuff immunity setting will unnecessarily clutter the supposedly UI the suggestion will implement
maybe just a immune to debuff and can be affected by debuff setting and thats it
(wait I just realise, sorry I thought the suggestion was referring to be able to toggle immunity to individual debuff)
small timber
it not using ancient manipulator means it can be post-deus instead of post-cultist, but ya that is basically the only impact it will have
cobalt pewter
technically it doesn't even matter as it's just a small inconsistency
but yes it's funny
frail mantle
it's just a small inconsistency so there's nothing wrong with fixing it
small timber
what if move all of them to hardmode anvil so they are not locked behind cultist instead
(deus skip moment)
drowsy plank
allow ancient manipulator to be crafted out of lunar frags 
cause u wouldnt be able to skip cause im p sure lunar sigil still needs manipulator
drowsy plank
yeah i was joking anyway, that'd be pretty weird
cobalt pewter
Ancient Manipulator always spawns on every Cultist kills?
ashen warren
Ye
swift wharf
The only way I'd accept any of this is solely if deus became a ml alt
TERROR
swift wharf
do it.
fossil finch
@distant gyro explain it to them, the legend of the moonlord alt deus
swift wharf
fear
drowsy plank
oh my god
small timber
everybody talked about moonlord alt deus but never wall of flesh alt slime god
distant gyro
makes ml entirely skippable in a run if the player decides to do deus
swift wharf
guh
drowsy plank
truly a decision ever
vast sonnet
makes ml entirely skippable in a run if the player decides to do deus
needs deus to activate post ml dungeon and profaned enemies tho
drowsy plank
everybody talked about moonlord alt deus but never wall of flesh alt slime god
slime god starts hardmode 
fossil finch
Yeah
vast sonnet
I would totally skip wof if all I had to do was fight slime god
small timber
I mean wall of flesh is a purely dark creature that release the spirit of light and dark; slime god is a pure evil biome creature too
just make slime god like, 3x harder
drowsy plank
yeah everyone would because slime god is easy and wof is a bad fight
small timber
and then the vanilla people will storm here with 100 suggestions per day about how wof no longer matters
swift wharf
make SG a Skeletron alt instead
vast sonnet
simply make wof a good fight like in eternity mode and problem solved
drowsy plank
honestly if slime god was made hard id be all for killing needed a stupid hellbridge
id still rather see underworld gen be revamped to actually support fighting the bitch but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
small timber
I dont think crags touch the entire underworld biome yeah
drowsy plank
just another pipe dream like hardmode world evil biome
also that is true, i hope that's considered with the update
small timber
tbh they just have to like, make the underworld houses lower, and it will be fine a lot more
since currently the problem is more with how some houses pierce through the underworld ceiling
drowsy plank
ash pillars can definetly make the area congested
honestly what uh. i think drunk world gen does? where the center of hell is basically just a massive lava lake with some occasional buildings and ash formations, and putting most of the content on the sides? makes way more sense
small timber
tbh, yeah, with crag update there is literally no need for underworld building to just spread across the world
it is not like they are important for anything other than shadow chest (which can spawn without houses) and hellforge
drowsy plank
move vanilla hell houses to right side with draedon lab, make the middle empty, and put the New Craigs™ on the left
ez fix
vast sonnet
problem: new crags are going to be on the abyss side
drowsy plank
wait right so they can flip
nbd just do the same thing but keeping the sides in mind
also very true
vast sonnet
wouldn't he want to study them?
small timber
@lost pumice joke suggestion are not allowed
there is a reason it is an april fools pet
lost pumice
<@1004050025933983864> joke suggestion are not allowed
there is a reason it is a...
oh ok
drowsy plank
honestly having a lava ocean in the center of the world sort of like the opposite of how nornal oceans are used as for boss fights in vanilla would make so much sense
yes
frail mantle
It is
drowsy plank
lmao
small timber
replace underworld houses with underworld apartment complex, where all of them are gathered at one spot
so you only need to clear them at one place and thats it
drowsy plank
ok but literally that's what im saying about putting them on the right side
unique vector
amogn ys
short walrus
@lost pumice that's a calamity's vanities item, and just set your clock to april first
lost pumice
ok
short walrus
you can't remove something that never existed in calamity proper
that means delete the sugg btw
swift frigate
dam you fast, scorn
distant gyro
community will be the only item to scale
jade talon
k sorry
short walrus
dam you fast, scorn
i am simply sleep deprived
small timber
Pretty sure a similar suggestion was madr at some point, not sure if it get enough vote
@noble hemlock #suggestions-voting message a same suggestion was passed already
noble hemlock
ok sorry i didnt know
drowsy plank
ok sorry i didnt know
so... are you going to delete it?
noble hemlock
oh yeah forgot
deep stratus
fossil finch
trolled again
drowsy plank
do we have non biome lab trackers now?
rotund tree
no
crude geode
considering that there's multiple underground ones, and they have the pieces for a weapon, prolly
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ashen warren
Y’all what do the colors mean on #suggestions-voting
frail mantle
look at the reactions
fleet coral
Calamity mod should put another step in between broken biome blade and biome blade
Call it moderately chipped biome blade
And then you need to combine it with 5 dirt
Just to add more biome blade content
Because there needs to be more biome blade
drowsy plank
wha
@past plume if it's a bug they're going to fix it, why not just ask for cirrus to include a counter on how many times you've died to the most recent boss you've fought or something instead. or even better just use bosschecklist lmao
swift wharf
or nycro's mod
drowsy plank
also true
past plume
Boss checklist currently isn't displaying the stats for any of the bosses, it said it's not done yet. And what is nycro's mod.... oh.
Well.
swift wharf
and both alternatives come before cirrus
past plume
Thanks.
past plume
Cheers.
blazing blade
HANK
hollow shell
@vestal sphinx State balance concerns in this channel while pinging one of the pinned testers
(It's faster)
@hot zephyr @worthy lintel @inner anvil
What's the over-under on Snowball Cannon, or the Frostburn debuff in general during PreHM?
vestal sphinx
<@173813978475134977> State balance concerns in this channel while pinging one o...
I'd add a 👍 but I can't add reactions 
hollow shell
heh
inner anvil
<@107648350295179264> <@288066987819663360> <@427093633456537629>
What's the ov...
Good question.
vestal sphinx
Yeah I was surprised it even gave frostburn but this thing has been completely nuts, I don't even reforge my accessories for damage or any of that
inner anvil
Let me get on it, let's see what's up.
worthy lintel
let's just say that frostburn deals 8 dps when the weapon itself has a base damage of 10 
basically a 25% damage buff on a weapon that was already strong lo, but not game breaking
hot zephyr
frostburn arrowment
vestal sphinx
let's just say that frostburn deals 8 dps when the weapon itself has a base dama...
When I see the funny damage tick numbers I usually see 8 or 16, but 16 most of the time - I'm not sure how it works though
vestal sphinx
basically a 25% damage buff on a weapon that was already strong lo, but not game...
Not game breaking until it's used to beat all bosses up to Skeletron / WoF 🙃
worthy lintel
🤫
small mortar
Not game breaking until it's used to beat all bosses up to Skeletron / WoF 🙃
you gotta be cracked or on normal mode to beat wof with snowball cannon
vestal sphinx
you gotta be cracked or on normal mode to beat wof with snowball cannon
I haven't done either of those yet, although I'm tempted to do that for Skeletron lol
swift wharf
You can do that with other weapons
drowsy plank
aquashard be like
swift wharf
could be a desert prowler issue too
inner anvil
Just tested it on King Slime and Eye of Cthulhu, doesn't seem to be broken, at most it seems to be in balance.
drowsy plank
lol
small mortar
honestly i could probably use aquashard on twins or prime tbh
i almost beat twins with hellwing staff once
drowsy plank
hellwing is a bit stupid yeah
inner anvil
@hollow shell Just tested a bunch of Pre-HM bosses with Snowball Cannon, it stops being good at Hive Mind/Perforator Hive.
There's nothing wrong with this weapon.
vestal sphinx
<@149223721700163584> Just tested a bunch of Pre-HM bosses with Snowball Cannon,...
I beat the Perforators and Slime God with it
inner anvil
Ok.
stuck cave
good for you lol
vestal sphinx
Took a bit of time (no more than 10 minutes), but still not difficult
inner anvil
How much time?
stuck cave
yea that's
inner anvil
Exactly?
vestal sphinx
Imo the DPS from the frostburn debuff is too good
stuck cave
that's how boss fights with early gear works
vestal sphinx
How much time?
For the perforators I have a screenshot, 1 sec
inner anvil
Great.
stuck cave
anything more than like 2 minutes is a long fight until you hit dog
vestal sphinx
stuck cave
lmfao
inner anvil
My brother.
frosty trellis
Lmao
inner anvil
My friend.
frosty trellis
The testing kill time for prefs and hive mind is 2 minutes
stuck cave
even 5 is lengthy
frosty trellis
Also it was on master so the numbers are skewed anyways
swift wharf
THIS SCREENSHOT
frosty trellis
Testing is done on Expert-Rev
stuck cave
i feel bad for you if you've been expecting 5 minute boss fights your entire playthru
vestal sphinx
Alright, I figured one weapon being viable for this long is a little imbalanced but perhaps I was wrong
swift wharf
IS THAT A CRABULON WHIP
cobalt pewter
my man what are you doing
swift wharf
💀
inner anvil
Alright, I figured one weapon being viable for this long is a little imbalanced ...
It's not viable though.
vestal sphinx
i feel bad for you if you've been expecting 5 minute boss fights your entire pla...
I don't have any expectations for boss fight time lol
inner anvil
Being more than 2 minutes is detriment.
frosty trellis
Yeah
stuck cave
yea
frosty trellis
2 minutes is the prefs kill time
stuck cave
technically anything is capable of killing any boss
frosty trellis
Which is why Hellwing staff is getting a nerf bc it was 1:30
inner anvil
I could say Daybreak is viable against SCal with enough time.
stuck cave
it's kill times that matter and 5 minutes is wayyy long for perfs
inner anvil
But of course, it's not.
vestal sphinx
it's kill times that matter and 5 minutes is wayyy long for perfs
That's good to know
frosty trellis
Firecracker used to be before you guys nerfed it into the ground
swift wharf
are we not going to talk about the modded whip
vestal sphinx
I should also mention I'm like brand new to modded in general
stuck cave
2-3 minutes is about average for most bosses until like mid post ml i'd say
swift wharf
i am going insane
stuck cave
i haven't looked at the testing docs or anything but like
vestal sphinx
are we not going to talk about the modded whip
I was only using that to make the slimes target the hive but they weren't reaching it much
swift wharf
that whip isnt from cal
stuck cave
dog is the first fight that takes a while
inner anvil
First boss that's more than 3 minutes is Providence
Nah, it's not.
vestal sphinx
that whip isnt from cal
It's from the Unofficial Calamity Whips mod
vestal sphinx
and you're testing a ranged weapon with summons
This wasn't testing, just regular play
inner anvil
Listen, we can't expect everyone to have test set-ups.
frosty trellis
Nah, it's not.
Xyk said Prov was 4 minutes, what's longer than 3 prior?
stuck cave
Which is supposed to be 4
that's only enraged, a lot of weapons for most classes shred through her much faster than 4min in daytime
inner anvil
Xyk said Prov was 4 minutes, what's longer than 3 prior?
Cal Clone with 4 minutes.
frosty trellis
Fair
stuck cave
ohhh right calclone
frosty trellis
Calclone about 4 minutes sounds right
stuck cave
yea that makes sense. any boss with forced phase changes i suppose
frosty trellis
And the brothers are a bitch
swift wharf
this is truly
stuck cave
fr
frosty trellis
that's only enraged, a lot of weapons for most classes shred through her much fa...
That's what Xyk told me
Idk what to tell ya
Ripperless for the record
I trust the actual tester
stuck cave
fair point
inner anvil
I trust the actual tester
I guess I'm not a tester anymore.
swift wharf
you're an alpha tester
inner anvil
Great.
frosty trellis
I guess I'm not a tester anymore.
You are dw
I was saying I trust an actual tester (Xyk in this instance bc he told me that) over what raine said
stuck cave
yea yea
frosty trellis
And you didn't deny the knowledge being an actual tester
You confirmed my information in a way
So yeah
swift wharf
what if the tester is wrong.,,.,.,.,.
inner anvil
You're wrong.
swift wharf
Therefore I am a tester
inner anvil
Fake tester.
frosty trellis
I don't think more than one tester would lie to me about the kill time for one boss
swift wharf
That's what they want you to think
inner anvil
Nah I would always lie in CalMain.
frosty trellis
Well fuck
inner anvil
Owned.
frosty trellis
Okay at least the killtimes thing wasn't a lie... Right?
inner anvil
It wasn't correct.
frosty trellis
Wdym?
inner anvil
I don't know, had a stroke.
swift wharf
Your reality is collapsing
inner anvil
Anyways.
frosty trellis
Wtf
frosty trellis
Fair enough
Wish that knowledge was more available but I digress
Would be nice to know the kill time for Yharon
frosty trellis
Then Yharon please
inner anvil
4:05min.
swift wharf
blah is
inner anvil
Will you pay me?
swift wharf
decent-iiiish
inner anvil
Just kidding, just kidding.
frosty trellis
Blah is currently the best melee weapon for Yharon rn
blazing blade
What's exo mech killtime
swift wharf
GUH
frosty trellis
What's exo mech killtime
6 minutes iirc
swift wharf
7 minutes?
inner anvil
What's exo mech killtime
6min. Hypothetical 2min per mech.
stuck cave
wait is nadir not better as of the latest patch
keen zodiac
i killed it in 4
frosty trellis
Dragons rage in the corner with a sub 10 second Thanatos kill time
drowsy plank
i thought nadir was trash rn
frosty trellis
Nadir is trash and stream gouge got reworked so it's no longer viable for Yharon
inner anvil
stuck cave
it was at 2.0's initial release but i thought the melee speed changes in the latest update would've fixed that, no?
inner anvil
Anyways, I'll test the Greatsword of Bruh.
frosty trellis
Ty
frosty trellis
it was at 2.0's initial release but i thought the melee speed changes in the lat...
Not from what I've seen
inner anvil
Holy shit this is dust factory.
frosty trellis
LOL
swift wharf
it literally vomits dust
frosty trellis
That's why it's funny
inner anvil
I hate the little funky sound that it leaves.
frosty trellis
Lmaoooooo
fossil finch
dom hates dust tell them to change it
frosty trellis
Lmaoooo
small timber
Tbh imo I would like preHM bosses in general to have longer kill time, 2 minutes (or even below) for a fight always seem very low to me
For me only like king slime and maybe desert scourge should have <2 min kill time since they kinda are tutorial bosses
frosty trellis
Fair enough
small timber
(the other exception is maybe wof due to the arena limitation of the fight, since the longer the fight is the more stupidly you have to make the arena, but with a somewhat rework even wof can be fightable in smaller arena)
small mortar
the best weapon against yharon is the kill button from cheat sheet mod
fossil finch
not wrong
trail fiber
Guys, i have a suggestion, nerf or balance the herring staff
Really, i was playing with a friend in pre-hardmode and we were in the sulphuric ocean
Suddenly the acuatic scourge appears
And with de herring staff we get 17 000 dps (without adrenaline)
fossil finch
that's worms being stupid not really the fault of herring
trail fiber
We're playing in death-for the worthy -master
fossil finch
@inner anvil anyways you (on this, as far as i know as on general has funny melting problems so you guys might wanna look on that)
frosty trellis
<@701981133109329941> Nah, it ain't "The best weapon" against Yharon.
Really? Gsob isn't the best melee weapon for Yharon? Then what is?
And what was the kill time?
Bc I need to hear this so I stop giving people wrong information
inner anvil
<@427093633456537629> anyways you (on this, as far as i know as on general has f...
Define "Funny Melting Problems".
inner anvil
Really? Gsob isn't the best melee weapon for Yharon? Then what is?
Probably like AMR.
inner anvil
Melee? No clue.
frosty trellis
AMR is ranger
inner anvil
Ask Xyk, he knows Melee.
frosty trellis
What was the kill time for blah?
inner anvil
Though, something to point out.
Xyk says BruhSword (BlahSword) gets an OP killtime, but I don't.
By having very similar equipment.
frosty trellis
Yeah literally everyone I've told has said holy fuck this is good
After they try excelsus and fail
inner anvil
Observation: Xyk and I fight Yharon in a very different way.
fossil finch
Xyk made beamsword deal a thousand damage i don't trust them grrrrrr
inner anvil
Observation: Xyk and I fight Yharon in a *very* different way.
Like, he would hug Yharon any day, and I would stand the furthest that I could from him.
fossil finch
Define "Funny Melting Problems".
Gets killed super fast by certain phmode weapons because it lacks res to them afaik
inner anvil
And that varies killtimes a lot.
frosty trellis
I normally move away from Yharon myself and I found everything else not as good
Over blah
inner anvil
Gets killed super fast by certain phmode weapons because it lacks res to them af...
I don't know man.
inner anvil
Anyways, Blah is probably fine as a weapon, if I get a buff-needed Kill-Time and Xyk gets a nerf-nedeed Kill-Time with Blah, that means the weapon is fine.
frosty trellis
Yeah fair enough
fossil finch
the point is like check how herrings perform on as
frosty trellis
What about Empyreon Knives then? Would expect that to be slower than everything bc of the lifesteal but not certain on that
inner anvil
What about Empyreon Knives then? Would expect that to be slower than everything ...
Like 5 minutes.
inner anvil
Yes, I aprove that.
frosty trellis
But yeah, go use Herring feesh on AS
fossil finch
the point is like check how herrings perform on as
And then check how they perform on wof or sg or something to see if it's just as being squishy or herrings being op
frosty trellis
It's... Ridiculous
inner anvil
Normal Kill-Time.
inner anvil
Most probably.
frosty trellis
Either that or more defense
Or both
Or some sort of resistance to piercing weapons
inner anvil
Something that we'll deal with eventually.
frosty trellis
Fair enough
What about Neptune's Bounty? Seems fairly forgotten at this point and want to make sure it's still good (I remember using it on my first melee run and it being quite solid on dog but would like to double check that)
inner anvil
According to my calculations (What Xyk told me), it's probably bad.
inner anvil
I'll ask Xyk, he do be testin' right now.
inner anvil
Against Old Duke?
inner anvil
Xyk doesn't want to test it against DoG.
frosty trellis
Why?
inner anvil
He says it's too terrible for it.
small mortar
speaking of bad, the vilethorn feels like ass ngl
frosty trellis
Because of the piercing and falling tridents
small mortar
feels too weak
frosty trellis
Vilethron is fine
small timber
And with de herring staff we get 17 000 dps (without adrenaline)
Abit late but herring staff is already known
Iframe vs worm boas fuckery
frosty trellis
Xyk doesn't want to test it against DoG.
If Xyk wants he can try it on Duke but like, I doubt it will perform better than soul edge or terror blade when it was originally designed for DoG from what I can see
Anyone else willing to try it out?
inner anvil
Okay, Xyk just discovered that it has infinite piercing, so he'll test it on Old Duke and DoG.
inner anvil
We'll see.
If you don't see the results soon, ping Xyk, because I'll go to bed in a bit, it's almost 4 AM.
frosty trellis
Kk
fossil finch
It won't happen the reason it didn't get a relic in the first place is simply because it won't happen
frosty trellis
Which blah sword? Greatsword of blah?
Yeah
small timber
@iron junco #suggestions-voting message already passed
fossil finch
Aew should simply be put off the boss checklist
frosty trellis
Xyk got way under from staying close, Memes 25 seconds over from going far away
small timber
Pretty recently too so probably no need for repost
iron junco
<@737885705946136628> https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/2633823593...
ah ok
frosty trellis
You can try it out yourself xpc
iron junco
didn't see that
small timber
You can try it out yourself xpc
Yeah will do
fossil finch
Technically got approved but aew still sucks im glad iban kept it real and didn't sprite it a relic
frosty trellis
I love Jared
I love demolishing Jared with a disease
Or rather, a form of a disease
Called Contagion
iron junco
just because it's a hard boss doesn't mean it shouldn't have a relic
frosty trellis
Yeah
And it's hard but like, actually fun
Only thing that's annoying is the sideways lightning dash
The predictive lightning is actually fairly easy to just exo box
It's getting one so dw
Just will once the devs plan on doing so
iron junco
I'm doing an infernum pt, and i have a hall of relics, + astrageldon, so its kind of disappointing to not have a relic for it
frosty trellis
Fair enough
fossil finch
It shouldn't have a relic because aew is stupid not because its hard
pastel crow
I look forward to hearing back
It's... fine I guess on DoG?
On OD is sucks because the homing was mega nerfed.
Overall I thoroughly dislike this weapon and it brings nothing new to the table beyond "projectile sword".
pastel crow
its certainly a fitting upgrade for Abyss blade 
fossil finch
Wait no neptunes bounty is an inaner sprite
Those can't be removed
Rework it then tbh
frosty trellis
It's... fine I guess on DoG?
On OD is sucks because the homing was mega nerfed.
...
Does it need a buff in your opinion? Or just a full on rework?
pastel crow
it needs a rework
frosty trellis
Fair enough
fossil finch
Considering what they said best rework it yes
pastel crow
the whole "abyss sword" line does
fossil finch
Probably along the rest of the line yea
frosty trellis
Yeah fair
Was going to say abyss sword needed one as well because it's completely garbage
fossil finch
Corpus is donor isn't it
frosty trellis
Corpus?
inner anvil
I mean, it could be a yesyes, if the donor accepts.
fossil finch
I know
fossil finch
trolled
frosty trellis
Yeah
fossil finch
I'm glad because the mechanic is probably some random reference and if it inconveniences people irs awesome
Anyway
frosty trellis
Nothing comes up when I search for the ping here
fossil finch
Someone tell them
near fossil
I checked the doc and I can't find the thing about asking the donor anymore
fossil finch
I'm pretty sure it is infact still in place check again
near fossil
Also overruled because the donor's idea was stupid
cobalt pewter
It's... fine I guess on DoG?
On OD is sucks because the homing was mega nerfed.
...
rework when
fossil finch
That's not how it works lmao
pastel crow
rework when
probably is > a year
cobalt pewter
ok free to rework then :clueless:
fossil finch
anyways it is infact not removed
frosty trellis
anyways it is infact not removed
^
fossil finch
Don't care
frosty trellis
Need to get permission from the donor to change the item
They paid 50 bucks for that bad boy
inner anvil
The design may not the best, but we cannot just change what a donor requested with actual money without permission.
near fossil
Counterpoint I don't care
frosty trellis
You don't get a say
inner anvil
Well, good luck with your quest.
frosty trellis
@hollow shell Donor suggestion change without perms from the donor
That just needs to be flagged
fossil finch
You infact are
frosty trellis
anyways it is infact not removed
Literally read this
fossil finch
All suggestions that break a don't need to be flagged by a mod manually so they don't pass
frosty trellis
Yeah
fossil finch
(You did not actually read the don'ts)
near fossil
Those are the suggestion don'ts, not the rules
frosty trellis
Yes
fossil finch
All suggestions that break a don't need to be flagged by a mod manually so they ...
Read
near fossil
I read it and I don't care, my opinion is superior
frosty trellis
Is to tell people they cannot suggest those sorts of things
Then live with the consiquences
fossil finch
Me after being an ass on the internet for no reaso
near fossil
You *don't* suggest those things
Wow I never would have thought
near fossil
Then live with the consiquences
What consequences
fossil finch
Like it's ok its not the end of the world dude live with it
frosty trellis
The suggestion will not go into voting
fossil finch
Don't use corpus and that's it
frosty trellis
That's that
frosty trellis
Don't use corpus and that's it
^
fossil finch
You don't have to be an ass about the rules not allowing you to suggest something
Mpg just pinged rover to make sure it'd be flagged because sometimes suggs are missed
frosty trellis
Yeah
fossil finch
You're not going to get warned nor going to die
Your suggestion simply breaks the rules so it is infact being flagged for removal
frosty trellis
Rover literally ask people like Ender and I to ping him to make sure it doesn't get missed
small timber
uhh
I will just use it 6 times and post result here, 3 times each with different playstyle
I got this while accidently using bloodflare rogue set because I forgot to swap (accessories and potions are proper balanced setup)
(this count as 0 since I used the wrong armor, but, yeah....)
hollow shell
I read it and I don't care, my opinion is superior
Don't.
(lemme go get the donor ID)
hollow shell
Still in the server, good
@noble turret How do you feel about the latest suggestion in #suggestions-posting ?
small timber
(ok my dps numbers are consistently showing wrongly, is there newer version of caltesthelper somewhere)
but ya I will just assume kill time is good enough for now
small timber
ya the dps number is buggy
I dont think my caltesthelper is updated, I usually have 2 dps number showing (other one is nycro maybe) which also didnt work
but ya, kill time is still accurate
yeah it is indeed a melee weapon on yharon (forgot, reforge 4M3W)
since the playstyle on extend the fight time abit I will not bother with 3 test (as it will be inaccurate)
grim tusk
Why people hate spam rogue now despite it also having some weapons that are fucking cracked rn
small timber
I actually find most post-polter/DoG weapon being much more effective on spam than ss (other than a few like dumbell), though I didnt use rogue recently
keen drum
stealth is more fun 
main reason why i like it a lot more
shit like dragon scales is also busted as fuck
small timber
yeah my caltesthelper is definitely outdated or something (or mod conflict), since I turn it off and it is the only thing showing dps number
I guess I will try to update nohitqol to toasty's mod
drowsy plank
this is why asking donors should be it's own section or at least more obvious than just to lump it in with devs
also still waiting on helixas to accept my FR to get any sort of progress on fixing genesis's crafting recipe
frosty trellis
yeah it is indeed a melee weapon on yharon (forgot, reforge 4M3W)
So Greatsword of Blah is as good as I've been saying then, got it lmao
Because even the run away strat gives 3:40
Which is 25 seconds too fast
small timber
though I cant properly simulate it since I usually hug yharon
but ya, it is brokenly good
later let me just remove shattering potion and try again
(I just realise I forgot to use flask even, which will bump the dps even higher)
cobalt pewter
these people only enjoying stealth now pfft
cue to me fucking suffering trying to do stealth early game pre rework
I personally prefer stealth but balancing the fun within the two would be nice
right now stealth can be a bit overtuned in some places with a lot more possible combinations than spam afaik
small timber
ichor 2:35 (only 1 test, but ya it is a bump)
cursed flame 2:40
so about the same
but ya, I will do the no shattering no flask 3 tests now
since I just want to see how stupid shattering actually is
cobalt pewter
honestly rogue needs less potions and less accessories
why does crumbling need to be upgraded to shattering
frosty trellis
We are testing shattering with melee lol
cobalt pewter
why does invisibility AND shadow exist
cobalt pewter
yeah melee is funky in general atm
frosty trellis
Since it's.... Kinda broken
Besides gsob being op and nadir being weak as shit post dog melee is actually fine
Nadir is already planned to get buffed anyways
Only post yharon weapon that's overtuned is Burning sky
So melee is overall starting to get better
small timber
3:10, 2:58, 2:50 (no shattering)
(shattering, I test it again for good measure)
2:39, 2:43, 2:48 (have shattering)
both dont use flask, same setup as above
so ya this single potion can effectively drop yharon's kill time by a solid 10-15 seconds
plain cloak
Has someone said something about Terra Edge in the Zenith Recipe?
small timber
if an accessory provide 8% damage and 8% crit (closest is sniper score 10% damage 10% crit) it will be good, it also have 15 armor pen
so shattering potion is basically a reaper tooth necklace as a buff
small timber
Has someone said something about Terra Edge in the Zenith Recipe?
zenith recipe suggestion is now frequently suggested (or basically disallowed for suggestion)
small timber
Has someone said something about Terra Edge in the Zenith Recipe?
#suggestions-voting message you can instead vote on this
lucid flare
this suggestion is way different than what mcxp wants 🗿
swift wharf
this suggestion doesn't know that the burning sky is not a sword
small timber
this suggestion is way different than what mcxp wants 🗿
zenith recipe suggestion is disallowed for being suggested now
that is the closest one you can get, since it is already in voting
swift wharf
And it will die in voting
small timber
cobalt pewter
also might ask rover to update that first point with journey mode
cobalt pewter
@hollow shell in regards to this, is it possible to update the first point with the existence of Journey mode?
hollow shell
Eh
Doesn't feel like a good counterargument
Telling people to go play Journey is like telling them to enable Cheat Sheet
small timber
3:10, 2:58, 2:50 (no shattering)
(shattering, I test it again for good measure)
...
2:45, 2:45, 2:53 (replace dynamo stem cell with reaper tooth necklace, no shattering)
so shattering potion is literally an accessory in power, and a near-endgame dps accessory in particular
lucid flare
at the very least terra edge should be considered because it's terra edge
everything else nah
small timber
ok in that case ya just ask rover if it can make the exception
frosty trellis
Since terratomere does that
small timber
the main argument is just whether terraedge should be treated as terrablade when making the zenith recipe, instead of a recipe change right?
lucid flare
actually what's even the difference between t-edge and t-blade anyway
small timber
terraedge have lifesteal (and I think different recipe?)
oh they unified it, the recipe is the same now
frosty trellis
the main argument is just whether terraedge should be treated as terrablade when...
Yeah
frosty trellis
terraedge have lifesteal (and I think different recipe?)
Terra edge has lifesteal on the true melee strike and the beam inflicts Ichlor
small timber
ok in that case I will just ping, since I thought it was "replaced terrablade with terra edge" instead of "can also use terra edge" to craft zenith
@hollow shell sorry for ping, while suggestions for zenith are frequently suggested now, but since this is a slightly different case
can a suggestion regarding having terra edge treated as terra blade (basically can use 'any terra blade' to craft zenith) passed?
since it is less of a recipe change, but more of a "I dont have to regrind terrablade if I crafted terra edge to make zenith" kind of change
hollow shell
Oh, yeah that's more of a consistency issue
Cuz Terratomere already does that
That would be fine to suggest
small timber
👍
small timber
Has someone said something about Terra Edge in the Zenith Recipe?
sorry misunderstood what you wanted to suggest, it is fine to suggest for terra edge to be use as equivalent of terra blade in recipe since it is a consistency issue (and don't contradict with the examples listed in the document)
especially considering terra blade and terra edge use the exact same material and recipe
hollow shell
(There was some idea floating around to have Terra Blade only go into Zenith while Terra Edge only go into Terratomere
I think.)
(Probably held off on that idea until Labor Of Love comes out)
small timber
(tbh I do think having both just use any terra blade will be better since terratomere and zenith are drastically different tier, but yeah it can work maybe?)
hollow shell
(I wonder, I wonder what the chances are
Of making Night's Edge only go into Terra Blade which only goes into Zenith,
and Bloody Edge only goes into Terra Edge which only goes into Terratomere
And thus Zenith is tier-shifted to post-Prov alongside Terrato, and they are alts for going into Exoblade)
small timber
tbh main thing is just zenith yeah
since currently it is untouched, if they tier shift it they have to rebalance it
(but that really is the only thing that need to be done)
frosty trellis
Yeah but that means we lose our seeker shredder and the best weapon for Exo twins once burning sky is toned the fuck down
drowsy plank
much the same way i feel about terraprisma and celebration mk II, nerfing outlier weapons, but adding at least one upgrade similar to their original power level i think would be nice
if zenith was moved a similar course of action could be taken, or even add a pregrade to zenith?? i dont think that's ever been done before but it's something for consideration
it wouldnt even be hard, just some kinda sword that looks like what zenith looks like (since it doesnt resemble any of the swords its made from) and make this replace the auric bars in zenith propper or something. make that like the "shell" of zenith
small timber
pregrade of zenith will be ideal yeah
golden kayak
Tbf good dummy settings would be very nice
To be able to actually test weapon limits on a target with nonzero defence
swift wharf
bosses:
fossil finch
(I wonder, I wonder what the chances are
Of making Night's Edge only go into Ter...
is this idea like actually on dev already and just waiting on 1.4.4 or
inner anvil
Never heard of that.
fossil finch
rover has mentioned it a couple times before
swift wharf
that'd give bloody edge a purpose other than crimson night's edge
short walrus
that'd be pretty cool
trim cove
sorry if im not supposed to discuss this here (let me know where i should discuss it if so), but i want to post a suggestion for fixing the obtrusiveness of the drunk princess's candle buffs (theyre completely opaque and always visible despite also appearing in the top left with the other buffs), but the reason im not immediately suggesting to hide them is because i dont know why theyre there in the first place. does anyone know what benefit showing these icons above your head provides?
(if it's just to know where theyre in range during a boss fight, i dont see why you couldnt figure that out before spawning the boss, since you place the candles down before spawning the boss anyway. and none of the other station buffs do the same thing)
golden kayak
Titanium Trident and Adamantite spear are weaker than tier 2 ore spears from what I feel like, how did that happen?
eternal escarp
sorry if im not supposed to discuss this here (let me know where i should discus...
that is a Fargo Mutant's feature, which you can also make more transparent in their configs
trim cove
oh it is?? wow
good thing i didnt post the suggestion then lol
thanks for letting me know! 👍
eternal escarp
👍
keen zodiac
wow thx i didn't know either
obtuse island
thoughts on adding dairy queen blizzard into calamity?
onyx gazelle
dont post unrelated things here
shitty party pooper
obtuse island
don't post unrelated shit here
on it sarge 🙏
hot zephyr
i'm lactose intolerant
drowsy plank
@ashen warren #bugs-read-pins
hollow shell
rover has mentioned it a couple times before
I mentioned it in dev like, once
Not really 'written down' anywhere
frail mantle
wasn't it discussed early in 2.0 development (or at least brought up as an idea) to make terra blade only craft into the zenith and the terra edge only craft into the terratomere and eventually exoblade
hollow shell
@crystal creek Go under him.
The attack was designed as such that he could always catch up to you if you tried to dodge the attack by running away, he has a crazy amount of "drift"
But he cannot turn around in mid air
Could this potentially be communicated better to the player?
Yes, but I don't know how
novel belfry
Go under him!? So that's how you dodge those fucking insane jumps?
fossil finch
yes
inner anvil
You can even dodge them normally without going below if you time your dashes enough, so there's no excuse lmao.
hollow shell
It did take me asking in the dev server to learn that you're supposed to go under him
inner anvil
But it's more efficient if you go under him, yes.
novel belfry
It did take me asking in the dev server to learn that you're supposed to go unde...
I think this is reason enough to change the attack
or maybe communicate it better
fossil finch
i've got legitimately no idea how to communicate it at all
i think the attack definitely is fine
hollow shell
Wondering if like
He had some kind of jet fire graphics on one side of him (logically, opposite the side he's about to collide with you with) would be enough to communicate that he's only accelerating in the one direction?
fossil finch
probably
novel belfry
In general, I think the fight needs to have better graphics
fossil finch
at least it'd like
make sense to the player once they figure it out
"oh yeah it's accelerating in the direction the thrusters go"
rn it's just "it does that"
novel belfry
Astrum Aureus's fight isn't really interesting
Fucking Queen Slime's more graphically pleasing than that boss
crystal creek
aur is the only boss i think is legitimately badly designed.
and maybe im just salty but god damn does it feel unfair
fossil finch
you're just salty chad emoji
novel belfry
Pre-reworked Ceaseless Void was for me the only boss that was worse than astrum aureus
Now it's one of my favorite bosses from the whole mod, but Aureus is still objectively terrible
crystal creek
I want to skill aureus so bad but I NEED its drops.
novel belfry
only good thing about him is his theme
fossil finch
its not objectively terrible no such thing exists grrrrrrrrrr i'm going to kill you
crystal creek
music slapps
swift wharf
this sounds like copious amounts of salt
novel belfry
Yeah
fossil finch
anyways skill issue get better uhhh go the opposite direction that simple is this gonna end up in anything actually or
pastel crow
I think Aureus's fight is very good with the exception of the homing flares
swift wharf
I only agree with a telegraph for the attack
crystal creek
AND its inconsistent weather youre supposed to go under or continue forewards
fossil finch
its not
youre always supposed to go under
he doesn't do sharp turns period
its just possible to outrun him with proper dashes
pastel crow
running away from his jumps in one direction is not the intended way to dodge his jump attack
hollow shell
Really could be nice if like
Instead of appearing to be a continuous jump arc that just extends itself to your jump position by randomly gaining horizontal drift velocity like he's a paraglider
It instead had a weaker horizontal momentum then an anticipation-followthrough burst where he gains a lot of horizontal speed, with an audiovisual telegraph
swift wharf
momentum capacitor 
hollow shell
I'm sure this'll make the attack easier to dodge and some hardcore gamers wouldn't like that but
it'll definitely feel more intuitive for the player
the average player
novel belfry
Yup
crystal creek
i hate summoner so much :l
novel belfry
i could talk more about the boss not being visually appealing in general
I love summoner!!! I love summoner!!!
frosty trellis
Summoner is pog
pastel crow
I do not
crystal creek
im not even bad at summoner
stuck cave
summoner <333
crystal creek
its just this goddamn fight is salt inducing
swift wharf
lurkers :/
fossil finch
i got the memes ping on clipboard don't make me ping him
inner anvil
I love summoner genuinely.
pastel crow
You're lame.
dumfayce
frosty trellis
But yeah, that jump attack can be a pain in the ass if you are only one platform up and he just jumps into you at random
inner anvil
Dumbfayce!
frosty trellis
Since randomized boss patterns
inner anvil
oh he's here anwyay
What do you need?
fossil finch
nothing just peak trolling if anything balance related came up or something
inner anvil
Uh huh.
fossil finch
But yeah, that jump attack can be a pain in the ass if you are only one platform...
i don't think you're playing aureus very well if you're above him at any time though
inner anvil
Since only have the ranger and melee tester here rn
Bro I'm the summoner tester.
fossil finch
outside like
inner anvil
Can't believe I got forgotten.
fossil finch
those 2 attacks were he just vomits projectiles
frosty trellis
i don't think you're playing aureus very well if you're above him at any time th...
I like being one platform above because of shotgun blasts
Easier to dodge
crystal creek
stuck cave
going over the sprays of bullets is easier than going between yea
crystal creek
skip to the end of vid
fossil finch
being 0 platforms above him works on my machine
frosty trellis
Bro I'm the summoner tester.
You made it sound like you were ranger yesterday but fair enough
Only the summoner and melee testers then
crystal creek
because MM Yes DODGEABLE.
fossil finch
so don't care
pastel crow
an issue I see a lot of people have when fighting aureus is that they have way to many platforms
frosty trellis
Since I have a quirk with something that's not any of them
fossil finch
dude you posting videos won't change anyone's opinions on aureus
frosty trellis
an issue I see a lot of people have when fighting aureus is that they have way t...
I only go 2-3
stuck cave
idk the only genuine problem i've ever had with aureus is how fucking tanky he is
fossil finch
i go exactly 1
inner anvil
You made it sound like you were ranger yesterday but fair enough
Only the summon...
Okay, to sumarize what I test, I test a little bit of everything plus the upcoming content, but I go more towards summoner when it comes to most stuff.
novel belfry
He just vomits projectiles, has a jump attack that confuses new players so badly that they don't know the easy way to dodge that, and spawns bombs that you will detonate
and it does not look visually appealing (but that last one is a mod-wide issue)
that's pretty much my grips with aureus
fossil finch
literally 90% of bosses dont look "visually appealing" thats not very specific
crystal creek
those bombs arent too bad
frosty trellis
Okay, to sumarize what I test, I test a little bit of everything plus the upcomi...
Fair enough
So ele ray because God DAMN
Please
fossil finch
anyways i love gatekeeping hoping more new players keep being confused
ele ray is fine?
inner anvil
Fair enough
So ele ray because God DAMN
Elemental Ray?
fossil finch
its just laggy because thunderbolt
frosty trellis
Elemental Ray
No lag
Just does a fair bit to prov
More than anything else I've ever tried
crystal creek
neko is a menace to society.
frosty trellis
And is also still viable up until post-polter
stuck cave
i never lagged with elemental ray and i assure you i lag everywhere else
fossil finch
i used ele ray and idk if it was for the lag but it didn't perform that well to me ngl
frosty trellis
Like, I'm doing better with ele ray on polter than Aethers Whisper
hollow shell
Ah yeah the fact that he randomly accelerates downward when you go under him, the intended way to dodge the attack, feels quite unfair
inner anvil
Man, Mage is what I least test, well, I'll try to test it.
fossil finch
it deal around the same liquidator did
frosty trellis
Like, I'm doing better with ele ray on polter than Aethers Whisper
^
fossil finch
ele ray just dealt it more consistently, while liquidator attacks in burst
ok but my own anecdotal evidence states the contrary don't care
also aethers whisper is a wacky weapon tbh not the best example
frosty trellis
Ic
crystal creek
who the hell said that aureus was consistent
frosty trellis
Was just the first thing that came to mind because of the name
inner anvil
who the hell said that aureus was consistent
Me and others.
fossil finch
it kinda is consistent
stuck cave
he's pretty consistent lmao
fossil finch
simply know how to play ngl
stuck cave
just tanky as fuck
frosty trellis
Aureus isn't too bad once you just dash under him
The 40 defense and 50% Dr I would say is a bit excessive
inner anvil
We'll see.
frosty trellis
It's the 50% Dr that makes the fight annoying
stuck cave
wtf
frosty trellis
Yep
stuck cave
that's awful
hollow shell
He's consistent, it's just that his consistent movement method magnetizes towards the player and is difficult to play around or even learn how to play around unless you find optimal strategies from external sources
stuck cave
i thought he just had a lot of health lmao fuck
stuck cave
so that's why he still sucks even post ml