suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

then just wait for that to happen, or make a suggestion for it

the devs did said at some point before, that they wanted to make hallowed and ore rogue and summoner set

whether it will still happen you can only ask the devs

I think many people's opinion here is really that

[drowsy plank]

daedalus aesthetic and lore
daedalus gameplay

[small timber]

there is no need for more multiclass armor, and since hallowed set will be a multiclass they disagree with it

(but since you explicitly want hallowed sets then it obviously will contradict what you want)

[drowsy plank]

no it's vanilla

[small timber]

hallowed armor will exist, calamity dont really delete vanilla stuffs

they just probably will not add a rogue and summoner set to it

[drowsy plank]

is there any way to make frost and forbidden less

awful

[small timber]

(oh wait hallowed only missing rogue)

I keep confusing hallowed to be same as ores, but it have summoner

[fossil finch]

Let rogue not have blessed dodge for trolling

[crude geode]

make frost have a more unique gimmick besides just debuff on all your weapons, plus some damage, and make the gimmick of forbidden less dogshit

[drowsy plank]

true

even if they got rework tho that tier is just

so bloated already

fucking 6 armor set looking ass

god

[crude geode]

chloro is a part of that mess no

or am I thinking wrong

yeah I'm thinking wrong lol

[small timber]

problem with chloro is more with the hardmode ore rework

since it basically get into the same tier as hallowed, instead of being the post-3 mech armor

[drowsy plank]

also the hardmode ore reworks just leave frost and forb in the dust tbh

they're so problematic 😊

[small timber]

and daedalus kinda

since ore armors are just better than daedalus, notably adamantite

[drowsy plank]

pumpkin, fossil, necro, frost, forbidden, daedalus

so many armors need some damn attention fr

[small timber]

(and shroomite, kinda)

[distant gyro]

ninja

[drowsy plank]

ninja has 20% ms which with the reworks is

[small timber]

I really only use shroomite on OOA and thats about it

[drowsy plank]

supposedly okay but

like plat greives give 12% ms so???

idk

[crude geode]

insert the too many problems meme

[distant gyro]

ninja when plat idk

[crude geode]

this one

[drowsy plank]

true lmao

[crude geode]

not every armor needs a full on overhaul, some just need touchups here and there

[small timber]

ninja probably need like, tiger climbing claw effect, maybe faster hook

[drowsy plank]

i could see that working

make it the movement set

[small timber]

pumpkin is Desolege since it is pretty much just cactus armor but different, fossil is kinda in a weird spot for how shit it is to obtain, frost and forbidden outclassed by ore

[small timber]

oh right since you are here (I will just ask since it is faster), is hallowed rogue set gonna happen still?

[distant gyro]

idk

[small timber]

since I remember it was said at some point that ore armors are gonna get rogue and summoner helmet

[distant gyro]

sprites exist since forever ago

[drowsy plank]

pumpkin has the defense of an actual armor set and is arguably really good in vanilla but cal just fucking dunks it into the ground

[distant gyro]

and armor piece equiv isn't hard to code

so it's either scrapped or eternally backlogged

[fossil finch]

Scrapped hopefully

🙏

[small timber]

you can suggest that still, I think?

[fossil finch]

That way ctp doesn't have to lameify ore designs to match with calamity's and we have no problems

[small timber]

you didn't violate any dont really

[drowsy plank]

yo what if ninja becomes a general movement set and since statigel is getting reworked it becomes a ninja set upgrade... speculation never ends up going anywhere tho sadge

[small timber]

is the suggestion based on unlimited buff slot?

since I am pretty sure it dont get covered as long as you play the game at full screen

[drowsy plank]

yes that would be an unlimited buff thing

@kindred creek that's a mod compatability issues so a don't

it physically can't unless you purposely go out of your way to break the 22 slots which cal is balanced around

[small timber]

it is either unlimited buff slot or some sort of resolution thing yeah

[drowsy plank]

whatever, if it isnt deleted by tomorrow morning ill just ping rover

[small timber]

time for the 30 votes "rework potion buff slot limit" suggestion by then

or otherwise people will complain how bosses dont deal damage by stacking 44 random defensive buffs together on a summoner

(I just realise this list will be expanded so much more if you slam alcohol into it)

no

trust me it will never get enough vote

(I did, a different iteration of it)

which is why I know it will never get enough vote

[eternal escarp]

maybe potions need the nerfing instead iirc

[small timber]

I think it is better to just cap how many potion buff you are allowed to have once 1.4.4 drop

so people actually choose instead of relentlessly stack every single potion in the game and use like autobuff

(as otherwise it will make people who grind it legitimately feels potion being useless)

though some like crumbling/shattering can die, and maybe flasks

[crude geode]

isn't that going to happen regardless of how you nerf potions

[small timber]

the moment when armor pen are so limited because they break balance, then crumbling/shattering just stack a casual 15 armor reduction

[small timber]

currently the potions are very impactful

[distant gyro]

i sometimes wish the game has only one potion slot

[small timber]

you often have to choose between the specific buffs you are to acquire

[eternal escarp]

so true

[crude geode]

balance team be like "fuck buffs"

[hot zephyr]

the Great calamity potion culling

[distant gyro]

im biased though

[small timber]

imagine endurance giving 2% Dr

[distant gyro]

my favorite kind of potions are potion craft potion

[small timber]

swiftness: 5% MS

[eternal escarp]

do i use triumph or tesla post yharon? 🤔

[distant gyro]

in that game, you have 5 slots in a single potion and each effect holds up to 3 levels

for example you can get 3 wrath 2 swiftness

or 1 of each mild potion effect

[small timber]

5 rage potion moment

[eternal escarp]

wtf no way 50% damage

[small timber]

but ya, I think with a system like that it is likely to be like, people just stack only damage

[distant gyro]

well, it would be 3 wrath 2 rage under that system

[small timber]

yeah

(part of the problem is also due to how terraria have basically "unlimited" resources out of boss fight for potion crafting)

[crude geode]

stacking every potion effect under the planet is only worsened by a certain other thing (potions being way too accessible in shops)

[small timber]

so to me limiting the amount of potion buffs you can get still make the most sense

since if the potions are nerfed in their effectiveness instead, it will still not solve the issue of people being incenvitize to just grab every single potion in the game

limiting potion buffs at the very least keep power level to be relatively the same as current while still benefit from debuffs dont overwrite buffs since buff slots are still uncapped

[crude geode]

you could never sugg this tho

[distant gyro]

make potions really easy to mass produce then smack their power

[small timber]

I have to wait until 1.4.4 drop at the very least to suggest that yeah

then for it to get 30 votes

I heard it is doubled, which definitely will be enough for almost everything even if you stack every single buff (maybe except for summoner)

[cobalt pewter]

do it

I think I can see where that potion craft thing is going

give 5 slots of potions, 5 levels of each potion max, but give a max amount of total potion levels by something like 15, anymore than that and you'd start getting punished for overloading pots

so take uh

[crude geode]

insert

[cobalt pewter]

bounding, wrath, endurance, rage and idk tesla

[crude geode]

seriously this would take like. a tremendous amount of work.

[cobalt pewter]

I know

[small timber]

@tough jay titan heart being consumable is intentional, in fact a suggestion that suggest the same is denied before

cells is a weird case since calamity kinda just add 2 version of cell, the crafted one is already non-consumable

[cobalt pewter]

that'll never happen

but it's interesting to concept

[small timber]

(and I think the vanilla version being non-consumable have a technological limitation which is why it is still consumable)

[tough jay]

Ohhhhh thx for telling me

[cobalt pewter]

(what I said is primarily the card loadouts concepts for Paladins, except for potions)

[small timber]

and titan heart is really easy to farm yeah, the atlas (the enemy that drop titan heart) spawn a lot more often after you beat lunatic cultist

[cobalt pewter]

Titan Heart's only issue is on its research value

I think

[distant gyro]

it is a bit more nuanced than that as well

like some tier 3 potions need later game ingredients

so in terraria's analogy it would be like requiring unholy essence to make holy wrath

which would make triple stack wrath later

[cobalt pewter]

so kinda like holy wrath and profaned rage but more nuanced?

[distant gyro]

but that's too hard to explain and fundamentlly changes a lot

it more fit its own mod

[crude geode]

indeed

[cobalt pewter]

and I'm surprised there isn't any provi-themed endurance potion, it's a nice trio

[solid skiff]

tier 2 of rage and wrath could be made with Soul of Might

[small timber]

make 'potion stations' where to craft a potion you require its 'base ingredients' (eg: for rage you need hemopiranha) [this can be a certain amount and is not consumable in the process of crafting], then +1 universal ingredient that is required and consumed for each copy of potions crafted (eg: alcohol, bottled water or some new stuff or something)

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah this is getting too concept-y for #suggestions-discussion, something like this is more interesting as a separate mod

[solid skiff]

uh

isn't potion station just alchemy stand

[blazing kettle]

dont blood orbs serve a similar purpose

[small timber]

the tldr of blood orb is they are very inefficient early on

[solid skiff]

blood orbs potions exist just as an alternative for herbs

[small timber]

(and you kinda just end up having even potion crafting involving just killing mobs, which a lot of activity in the game already does, instead of doing something else)

[solid skiff]

thing is you can make a simple 340 afk blood moon farm in death

by 340 I mean blood orb

[drowsy plank]

@tough jay bro those both have non-consumable variants do your research

!wiki starcore

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Starcore

[solid skiff]

I forgot what the fuck is a power cell

[cobalt pewter]

old power cell?

[tough jay]

Yea I was already told in here just a bit ago

[blazing kettle]

stuff to use to charge draedons arsenal, and to decrypt stuff

[drowsy plank]

so why did you post this

[small timber]

then you probably should edit the suggestion yeah

[drowsy plank]

oh yeah or delete it

[tough jay]

Yea that's probably a better idea

[solid skiff]

oh

[small timber]

there is 3 power cells:
lihzhard power cell = vanilla, summon golem at lihzhard altar
old power cell = calamity, summon golem but unconsumable
draedon power cell = draedon stuff, charging etc

[drowsy plank]

hey @hollow shell can you flag the sugg about the cooldown slots when you get the chance, since that just. isnt possible without external mods or really fucky resolutions and they refuse to elaborate on what is causing it (and that would be a bug and still be invalid lmao)

[fossil finch]

😭😭

[hot zephyr]

@manic fractal No

[manic fractal]

Why not

[fossil finch]

People have so scuffed concepts of "rewarding"

[distant gyro]

when do we fully suggestion ban zenith

[manic fractal]

Damn

[fossil finch]

Today

Only you can make it happen

[hot zephyr]

@hollow shell i beg I plead

[fossil finch]

Ping rover

[distant gyro]

it should've been ever since it came out

[fossil finch]

.,.,

[distant gyro]

tbh

[hot zephyr]

we're not adding wacky swords to zenith's recipe
especially if the thing will never actually use the swords....

[distant gyro]

also reasons

zenith throws a sum of its parts

imagine what it would be like if you throw the zenith and 10 unrelated swords came out of it

[fossil finch]

Or if you throw it and none of the new ones come out

And then people cry they don't

[manic fractal]

I mean the point was just for progression

[distant gyro]

and if the suggestion is "just change the sword you throw out as well", then no that affects balance

[fossil finch]

And then we enter and endless loop

[hot zephyr]

requiring terratomere for zenith at auric tier, then immediately throw exoblade at the player which ALSO requires terratomere

[fossil finch]

That doesn't affect balance wh

[distant gyro]

it does

[fossil finch]

Don't tell me the sword projectiles use the sword's base damage or something

[manic fractal]

I mean u could use diff items

[distant gyro]

zenith projectiles hit a majority of the time it stays in an enemy hitbox

if you give it a gigachungus last mourning then it's gonna hit 2x as often

[fossil finch]

Calamity swords ar e bigger

😭😭

[distant gyro]

apply that to 10 swords

[fossil finch]

Why did they did this

[distant gyro]

you just made zenith twice as strong

[hot zephyr]

just shrink the last mourning

jand it

[fossil finch]

Crying and seething

[manic fractal]

My bad g

[hot zephyr]

no prob

it should just be a Don't

[manic fractal]

Otherwise tho I just feel the progression is rlly wierd for a weapon like this

[distant gyro]

yeah it's such a "what" moment

[manic fractal]

Idk then

[cobalt pewter]

rest

restart.....

byeah, zenith sugg ban when

[manic fractal]

😾👎👎

[small timber]

if more swords are added to zenith

the situation will be "calamity have to ruin every single good thing vanilla ever added by adding their own stuff to it

LOOK it is fucking exoblade in zenith, of course it is, because if they dont insert their own bullshit into it it will not be fucking calamity"

etc etc

the current recipe is the least vanilla altering way to change zenith, because it is not altered

the only alteration is which progression zenith is available

[hot zephyr]

if nothing was done
haha zenith OP guys watch my video!!!
if zenith was nerfed
calamity KILLED zenith!!!

[distant gyro]

people already do that when auric bars are in the recipe

nothing done - "every weapon sucks compared to it"
nerfed and stayed at the point of progression - "not as satisfying as the vanilla zenith"
put in a later point of progression - either "put it back it's too late" or "nah it doesn't fit"

the most predictable outcomes possible

[manic fractal]

Those weren’t my point tho

[distant gyro]

those are explained above

[manic fractal]

if something is in such a late stage of progression where everything you use is already calamity, there’s shouldn’t be anything wrong with including calamity items right

[small timber]

zenith is an iconic vanilla item

as lame as it sounds, people will hold the item into a higher ground than it really is in calamity, just because it is well known in vanilla

[distant gyro]

zenith is symbolic to vanilla's peak

since there are no scenarios to zenith that will please everyone

[small timber]

ANY alteration to it (especially by adding calamity's own stuff) will be perceived as calamity having to alter every single 'good' vanilla aspect, that already happened with soaring insignia, it will happen with zenith

[distant gyro]

the most symbolically suiting option is chosen

[manic fractal]

That’s understandable

[distant gyro]

even if changing swords doesn't affect balance

[small timber]

the other option I think might fit is like, make it shadowspec tier, though its value have to actually be changed for that

[distant gyro]

it'll probably still look uncanny if using zenith throws 10 calamity swords and then zenith itself which has a vanilla style sprite

[manic fractal]

That’s true

[distant gyro]

that would be the second best option

[manic fractal]

I just feel progression wise it doesn’t make much sense

[distant gyro]

put it endgame and buff it

[manic fractal]

Idk

[small timber]

it is a bit too late now I think

[frail mantle]

Make it be affected by melee speed again and then make it red’s dev weapon

[small timber]

since it is already auric tier, moving it to shadowspec will be another wave of complain

[frail mantle]

[hot zephyr]

remove it from the game

[manic fractal]

Changing the tier wouldn’t change much I feel like

[hot zephyr]

fuck the compatibility issues

[manic fractal]

Real

[hot zephyr]

zenith sucks

[distant gyro]

the true ending

remove zenith's recipe

[small timber]

because if its tier is changed to shadowspec tier, it will be the same as vanilla (literally after everything that is relevant is already slain, it is the true "ultimate weapon")

[hot zephyr]

playerbase spawns it in
asks for nerfs

[small timber]

and buffed accordingly to be one of the best melee weapon in the game

[distant gyro]

if it player spawns it in, turns into a copper shortsword

[small timber]

currently it can't, because scal and draedon exist, in fact it is a miracle that zenith without any change can hold up its ground against both bosses without resistance change

[manic fractal]

Yea I didn’t really think about how it’s supposed to be the best sword

[ruby plover]

Goofy uhhh 10,836th zenith suggestion

[small timber]

zenith was 7x as strong as other post-ML weapon in vanilla, for reference

[manic fractal]

Yea it’s undoubtedly the best vanilla weapon

[distant gyro]

not really but close enough

[manic fractal]

I mean

[small timber]

(oh right that comparison is only to other post-ML melee)

[manic fractal]

Endgame

Melee

[cobalt pewter]

EoL weapons are visually more appealing than zenith

[distant gyro]

comparing the highest to lowest would probably be 7x though

[manic fractal]

😔

[distant gyro]

but last prism and cmk2 are like 1/2 zenith power instead of 1/7

[cobalt pewter]

the design of zenith is simple, just like the brain of average terraria player

(they ooga booga over numbers)

[small timber]

brain sees big number, neuron activation

[hot zephyr]

a challenge in how far we can get away from swords behaving like swords

[manic fractal]

Real Burning Sky moment

[distant gyro]

2 billion damage rainbow sword vs all bosses

[cobalt pewter]

sword that summons a sword that casts a sword that shoots a sword that deals melee damage

[small timber]

early game version of burning sky called "calming water" or something that hold upfront to fire waterbolt projectile (literally)

[distant gyro]

brb making a broadsword that combines 3 weapons from every other class except melee

[manic fractal]

Sword that consumes bullets

[hot zephyr]

i love you greatsword of judgement

i will shield you from all the deletion docs

[distant gyro]

is that the

projectile spam nimbus rod sword

[hot zephyr]

it's the summoner sentry melee sword

[distant gyro]

i may shield it from deletion but fuck balancing that weapon in particular

[hot zephyr]

shhhh

it's a sleeper pick

[distant gyro]

the 2 minute providence kill incident

[hot zephyr]

shhhh'

[distant gyro]

gitgudwo videos don't exist

it can't hurt us

[frosty trellis]

GoJ was 2:5x while AotE and Swordsplosion was 2:2x according to Xyk, it was clearly not the main issue

Back in the early days of 2.0

[distant gyro]

did xyk use the secret build though

[frosty trellis]

Dunno

He didn't show me his build

I don't think

[small timber]

tldr kill shattering potion

[frosty trellis]

Shattering potion is that ridiculous???

I use it all the time

[small timber]

I think it was swordsplosion yeah

I dont remember if it was blast, memes or xyk that tested it

but swordsplosion's killtime are considered as "weak", then use shattering potion it is under kill time by considerable amount

because of the funny armor reduction

for comparison, shattering is (almost) a rage + wrath potion in itself, AND a second copy of ichor on top of that

[distant gyro]

the secret build is secret

[small timber]

and all of its effect stack with the original rage, wrath and ichor you have

[distant gyro]

but it is like 2:32 at the minimum for gsoj

pre-2.0 melee speed changes

actually pre-1.5.1 as well

[small timber]

speaking of ichor since I am unsure if wiki reflected that, did calamity unnerfed ichor?

since it was reduced in vanilla for 1.4

[distant gyro]

no

ichor is 15

armor crunch is 15 as well

[distant gyro]

should try gsoj again with dr changes and melee speed scaling to see how much it got better/worse with the forbidden

[still zodiac]

@vestal needle ball and chain item exists that removes the ability to dash when favorited

[keen zodiac]

💀

[short walrus]

@steady parrot you would be better off pinging a tester.

[small timber]

stylish scissor also like, require you to rescue stylist before able to get it

which finding spider cave in itself can be kinda rng, so it is not exactly enchanted sword level of early

[short walrus]

i am at pre-yharon rn in my pt and i have not found stylist yet lmao

[hearty yew]

@cobalt pewter that sugg about hitsound volume is really clever, but I don't know how it would be implemented. Both Risk of Rain 2 and Noita do this -- and we've seriously considered replacing the default metal tink with Noita's robot enemy hitsound -- but unless there's a way to universally control all instances of a certain sound, it may not be possible.

The new audio engine does allow you to change the volume of something down after playback has started, but idk if I can reliably "get every hitsound" to adjust the volume down every frame.

[cobalt pewter]

ozz jumpscare

jokes aside

[hearty yew]

i was typing for like 90 secs how is that a jumpscare

[cobalt pewter]

I think just the general idea of lowering hitsounds volume (or making it appear less often? internal cooldown) could be nice

[inner anvil]

People are not used to your presence.

[cobalt pewter]

ultimately as long as hitsounds became less spammy any way to go there is pretty fine by me

[hearty yew]

hitsounds have internal cooldown on a per-npc basis actually

that's a vanilla feature

you can set the cooldown manually in the NPC AI

[cobalt pewter]

hmm

I guess because rav has multiple entities? thus it became significantly more often to hear hitsounds

though that doesn't really explain pbg hitsounds being grating (I used fantasy talisman stealth if that matters)

[drowsy plank]

lmao balance suggestion

also i really

dont think stylish are any more broken than the other options on tier tbh?

like blade of grass and falcon exist

and phasesabers all do the same thing and there are like 8 of them

[cobalt pewter]

I'm disappointed Cal didn't make a penultimate lightsaber will all 7 of them

[drowsy plank]

are there any phasesaber upgrades besides the Hardmode variant? 🤔

[cobalt pewter]

(also yes it's 7, all 6 base gems and amber ones)

[cobalt pewter]

in cal, no

[drowsy plank]

sad

[cobalt pewter]

the light show would've been incredible with cal's visuals if there are any penultimate lightsabers

[small timber]

ah yes of course the shadowspec zenith lightsaber weapon

[cobalt pewter]

true.....

[drowsy plank]

@steady parrot been like an two hours but you're supposed to ping testers in this channel for balance suggestions, it's just gonna get flagged. avaliable testers are in the pins.

[short walrus]

mm, ditchers

[drowsy plank]

truly

EquinoxShark ditches a lot too despite the fact they used to respond here. I don't get it, they know they're just gonna get flagged so why even bother?

[gray nebula]

the real problem is figuring out which sound is a hit sound or not

[short walrus]

@jaunty pond what draedon armour

There is no draedon armour afaik

[jaunty pond]

oh?

i thought the set you make out of the ore in the snow biome was called that

huh

[small timber]

that is snow ruffian

[jaunty pond]

no

not that one

[short walrus]

You are about 3 years too late

[drowsy plank]

daedalus??

[jaunty pond]

daedelus

yes

im sorry about

that

[swift wharf]

guh

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[short walrus]

Draedon bars were rework years ago into perennial

[swift wharf]

reaver armor was draedon armor

not daedalus

[jaunty pond]

im sorry

[small timber]

ya daedalus is abit outdated

[swift wharf]

daedalus rework in 2024

[short walrus]

As I said, there is no draedon armour

[small timber]

especially melee's set bonus, which is a complete joke

[main hatch]

what is melee set bonus

[drowsy plank]

@copper yew why would the game do that when coin gun doesn't do that in vanilla?? like no it doesnt make any sense at all you cant just say "because it mames sense" and refuse to elaborate

[main hatch]

i never use daedalus lol

[small timber]

classic "50% dodge effect" my favourite

[main hatch]

oh wow how unique and interesting

[swift wharf]

daedalus armor should be killed honestly

[small timber]

every 90 seconds you get to deal thorn damage from enemy projectile

[short walrus]

Yeah

[swift wharf]

and just make frost post cryo instead

[small timber]

AND they make sure it cucks your other dodge items too

[drowsy plank]

but it looks so cool

[main hatch]

of course of course

[swift wharf]

cry about it 😊

[main hatch]

calamity things

[jaunty pond]

i dont think it should be killed, but they should do a rework on it like they did with wulfrum

[drowsy plank]

can we make daedalus aesthetic

[swift wharf]

we could

[main hatch]

^

[drowsy plank]

honestly why tf daedalus a 5 helm anyway

[small timber]

meanwhile this is daedalus mage and you put it side by side to melee and it is like ??????????

[main hatch]

lmao

[jaunty pond]

thats what im saying

[swift wharf]

because old

[copper yew]

i mean you have to agree all your coins dropping out and having to pick them up is annoying as all hell, plus the "vanilla doesn't have it so why should calamity" thing shouldn't really apply either as calamity has added other QoL changes as well

[gray nebula]

:yawn:yes but maybe no. evil

[swift wharf]

guh?!

[jaunty pond]

if one of you can bother, you can just steal my idea and post it in suggestions

[jaunty pond]

so you are reworking it?

[swift wharf]

real fake leaks

[drowsy plank]

i like that :)

[small timber]

no since specificity is generally disallowed

[jaunty pond]

allright

[swift wharf]

that looks like another armor tho

but blue

[jaunty pond]

what i meant by this was be a little smarter about it btw

[drowsy plank]

if im following are you saying dropping your coins on death. like the vanilla mechanic

i dunno i guess but like. then you have to put coins you dont want it to eat in a chest??

[jaunty pond]

it doesnt look like another armor

wym

[drowsy plank]

it's just going to cause issues

[hollow shell]

Hmmm ehh hmmmm

[gray nebula]

theyre sketches

🥱

[jaunty pond]

allright

still cool

[main hatch]

it looks nice for the most part

i like the hat lol

[jaunty pond]

the legs need looking at but i like the rest

very cool 👍

[jaunty pond]

what armor is that

[swift wharf]

[jaunty pond]

hmm

[drowsy plank]

people were speculating hydrothermic but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty pond]

i get that

[drowsy plank]

could be anything honestly

[jaunty pond]

but that wouldnt make sense seeming that you get hydrothermic ore from the abyss

[gray nebula]

no i love the legs

therye the best part

[jaunty pond]

dude

[cobalt pewter]

I have a quirky idea for Daedalus but it's too sis for here :clueless:

god damnit no clueless

[jaunty pond]

the mushroom hat is amazing man

[swift wharf]

they don't know about furnace head

[cobalt pewter]

siren head armor when‽

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

im going to hit you with a large rock

[swift wharf]

[main hatch]

i love this

this is amazing

the legs make it look adorable lol

[cobalt pewter]

lil stubby dude

[main hatch]

there should be a hat that looks similar to pyramid head hat or golden ardeo from bloodborne

like just a big cone that covers your entire face

[drowsy plank]

there's the aestheticus hat from calval but that's more of a conehead than a pyramid and doesnt cover ur face

[main hatch]

oh god that hat look terrifying

[copper yew]

ok so i'm back

what do you guys think about the sevens striker using coins from the piggy bank?

[main hatch]

i dont even know what sevens striker is lol

[copper yew]

coin gun upgrade

the thing is that master (or rev/death i can't remember) makes you drop ALL your coins

and yet it can only use coins from the inventory

[main hatch]

lmao thats an amazing weapon

[copper yew]

which leads to you just running about spending 90% of your time picking your coins back up

it is

and i love it thoroughly

but this one simple thing keeps me from enjoying it thoroughly

[main hatch]

ya sounds pretty annoying

[drowsy plank]

it is master which the game isnt balanced around

[copper yew]

that makes sense

and yet dropping half or 90% of your coins isn't much better either

was it 90% for expert? i can't really remember but i do remember that it drops a LOT of your coins and calamity is based on expert

[small timber]

75% expert 100% master

[drowsy plank]

and again, coin gun doesnt do this, and using coins from the piggy bank but also still using coins from the inventory would just make it really weird to try and save your currency

[copper yew]

unless you do normal mode, but my point still stands

[small timber]

but ya, having it work from piggy bank kinda just eliminate every single possible downside/risk the weapon can have

[copper yew]

alright, then there should be like a coin pouch you can make to hold them or something

i don't know

[small timber]

(outside of farming the money, which with seven strikers is not a problem since it is not very coin hungry unlike coin gun)

[copper yew]

i'm just tired of picking stuff up after every single fight

there has to be some way to make this work, i just need to think about it a little

[drowsy plank]

i dunno you could make it load like wulfrum blunderbuss??

[copper yew]

that's also a possibility

[drowsy plank]

you would need to message the donor

[copper yew]

there's definitely a way to make it work

oh right it's a donor item

[small timber]

it will be easier for you to change other things instead of the weapon directly yeah

[drowsy plank]

i just realize this suggestion is invalid because changes to donor items need approval from them

[small timber]

avoid all the hassle

[copper yew]

true

[cobalt pewter]

priorities moment

[copper yew]

yeah that makes sense

[drowsy plank]

you should prolly delete it til you've talked to the donor, since it's just going to be flagged lol

[cobalt pewter]

just ping em here if they're around

[copper yew]

i didn't even take that into consideration, i even forgot it's a donor item in the first place

[small timber]

the suggestion (currently) kinda is more piggy bank than seven striker

[cobalt pewter]

[[The Sevens Striker]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Sevens_Striker

[cobalt pewter]

the fact that there's no apostrophes in Sevens kinda bothered me (I knew it shouldn't but still)

[drowsy plank]

Heliax still hasn't accepted my rq on trying to remove the secondary recipe on Uni Genisis

sadge

[copper yew]

sadge

(what is a universal genesis)

ah that

oh that's actually sick, a disseminator upgrade

[fossil finch]

Grr

@errant cradle could you please, they're sketches

[rapid canopy]

Is that Daedalus armor or a new armor?

[jaunty pond]

think that was a concept for a redesign of the daedelus armor @rapid canopy

[rapid canopy]

oh

[jaunty pond]

may be both

they werent spesific

but i think since we were talking about a daedelus redesign that its probably the former

[small timber]

@drowsy apex abit too specific, and boss death animation is disallowed for suggestion

(this kinda count as boss death animation)

[drowsy apex]

oh damn

well

i tried ig

was it good tho?

[small timber]

and also the idea definitely dont work since the devs have expressed that they dont want you to kill scal

[drowsy apex]

makes sense

[small timber]

(which is why she kinda just stay at 1% HP when the fight ends)

[drowsy apex]

i didn't actually notice that

[small timber]

I can see a final attack at 1% but I think maybe thats about it, though it will be up for the devs since that idea is a bit too specific for suggestion (and maybe considered a grand changes)

[drowsy apex]

k

WAIT

nvm

nvm

[inner anvil]

I don't really know what to say to a desesperation attack (I'm going to call it like that), because like bro, if you won, you won, no bs surprise, y'know?

[drowsy apex]

i just rembered

j

k

[small timber]

unless said desperation attack is extremely telegraphed to the point of the player for sure know it is coming

but at the same time it is not really the direction calamity is going so ya, likely not gonna happen

[cobalt pewter]

desperation attack is fine if there's a heavy lore going into it

desperation attack for the sake of it is

not good

[fossil finch]

I mean i think final desp attacks are fine in general but,

[eternal escarp]

yeah not here

[frosty trellis]

You won no bs? 5 bullet hells is bs so idk there

[fossil finch]

Cope

[main hatch]

#suggestions-posting message

i completely agree with this

it trivializes like every pre hardmode boss except wall and remains useful for the entire game

[orchid wing]

I am seriosuly considering to keep the sword as my form of movement and a dash for the rest of the goddann game.

[main hatch]

just as a dodging tool

exactly

there's no reason to ever upgrade it

[frail mantle]

if you have any rebalance requests for individual weapons or something like that it's better to ping one of the testers pinned in here than to make a full suggestion about it

[orchid wing]

If some sword should have a dash that powerful, it should imo be the exoblade

[main hatch]

absolutely

even then tho

[orchid wing]

Am sorry, new to making suggests

[frail mantle]

that's fine

[main hatch]

less immunity lol

[frail mantle]

just like

@inner anvil YOU

hi (oathsword moment)

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Oathsword I've always felt like had fine damage

But the dash is extremely broken

[inner anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[cobalt pewter]

lole

[drowsy plank]

also doesnt oathsword line

already have a rework planned

to go with the preHM ones that got reworked

[inner anvil]

Okay, what y'all want me to test exactly about Old Lord Oathsword?

[frosty trellis]

How broken the iframes are and damage by the sound of the post

Because admittedly the iframes are a little obscene

Being able to iframe through SCal's brimstone monsters isn't exactly fair and balanced for a phm sword

[inner anvil]

What tier should I even consider this weapon? If it's from a Hell enemy, I would imagine like, against Hive Mind and Perfs.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

That would be it

[inner anvil]

Also, about the I-Frames.

[frosty trellis]

Anything from hell is 2nd evils

Besides shadow chests

[inner anvil]

I think it's fine, if you go out of your way to have that weapon all the way, just to use the dash, that's just skill & tech, I'm fine with it.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but the iframes early on

[inner anvil]

Ok, so?

[frosty trellis]

You can just dash through hive mind/prefs all the time with no remorse and be fine

Also the movement speed for that stage is.... Obscene

[inner anvil]

Well, you want me to take damage everytime I dash?

Nah bro.

[frosty trellis]

I mean the dash is faster than glorious end

[inner anvil]

Glorious End is donor, so I don't mind.

[rotund tree]

Old Lord Oathsword just makes all of preHM (except maybe WoF) just way too easy, you can pretty much turn your brain off and spam the thing and can outrun basically all of preHM bosses and some HM ones
there is absolutely no skill needed to use it, it takes a single second to charge the dash

[inner anvil]

Okay then give it a cooldown.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that ^

Oh a cooldown

Sick

Yeah that works

[inner anvil]

Like, if we nerf the dash, it's going to be a terrible ability.

[frosty trellis]

Nothing crazy, like 3-5 seconds

But yeah

[inner anvil]

That's a reality, we can't nerf it without making it useless.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[inner anvil]

Just like rams.

If we nerf rams, they'll be useless.

[frosty trellis]

So make the dash have a 3-5 second cooldown so it's still good just not mindless

[inner anvil]

Sure why not.

[frosty trellis]

And late game it's still fine since you aren't spam dashing with it

Even in SCal's bullet hells it requires very precise timing

[inner anvil]

If you use it late game I'm fine with it.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[inner anvil]

Like, if you want to use it for Yharon to go up or any direction, do it champ.

Use your tools with your head.

[frosty trellis]

Mhm

Old Lords Oathsword has been an amazing movement tool for sure

But a short cooldown would make it less mindless in phm

[inner anvil]

But if it's literally giving infinite I-Frames practically, then yes, we can give it a cooldown.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[inner anvil]

Great, glad we came to an agreement.

Now I'll go test it's damage.

[frosty trellis]

Kk

[inner anvil]

First thing I'm going to request is to make you turn at the direction your pointing while using the weapon.

[safe oasis]

please do this for every tm weapon

[inner anvil]

Sure.

I don't see the issue.

I don't even see the issue with all weapons even.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I never got that

Same with bladecrest

Since bladecrest is just awkward because of that

Better off using flamarang because of it

[inner anvil]

I won't test the dash because we'll probably give it a cooldown so it'll nerf itself kinda'.

Also the dash needs to not give momentum, we removed that from God Slayer, so right now the Old Lord Oathsword's is better than God Slayer.

[orchid wing]

Oki ive read the convo abt my suggestion, and from my experience the best way to change it is to change the charge before the dash take several seconds, balances it out as chargin the sword prevents you from doing much damage and serves as a cooldown

[orchid wing]

Please do not do that, it would remove all the fucking fin from using it

[inner anvil]

No it wouldn't silly.

[orchid wing]

Angry Sonic fan nosies

[inner anvil]

Lol?

[orchid wing]

Yea

I just think its fun to use it as a startup to a run

Removeing all the momentum you gained after it (similar to godslayer) would make it impposible
I myself use godsalyer more as like a semi-teleport, not a dash

[inner anvil]

Bro, we won't allow the dash to be better than God Slayer dash, and we are not buffing God Slayer.

[frosty trellis]

Yeah true

It is basically Godslayer dash but better

I would know bc I never use Godslayer dash

[orchid wing]

Neither do i lmao

Its fucking useless

And trust me, oh my ive tried to make use of godslayer

But its just goddamn useless

You get flung to the other side of your arena with nothing to change your path

[inner anvil]

I'll need to test God Slayer myself, some people on the team still think it's overpowered, I'll need to look into that.

[orchid wing]

It may be overpowered, but fun it is not

[inner anvil]

Talking about the king of Rome, hey Storm.

[grim tusk]

New Oathsword is fucking Final Dawn pre-hm

Needs to DIE

Well both

[orchid wing]

Yea same

[frosty trellis]

TRUE

[orchid wing]

I dont understand how that amount of iframes got past testing

[grim tusk]

GS dash being buffed would trivialize exos hard

[frosty trellis]

That's why we're talking about a cooldown and having it not give momentum

[inner anvil]

I didn't test it, so don't blame me.

I was dealing with summoner.

[grim tusk]

For Oathsword and final dawn i think they only having invincibility for the first frames would be good

And only vs melee

[frosty trellis]

The most "perfectly balanced" class

[orchid wing]

I rlly dont think having a dadh with momentum would DESTROY balance, the thing that does it is the amount of iframes you get

[grim tusk]

^

GS dash has long cooldown due to that

[frosty trellis]

GSD is like very broken for Exos

[grim tusk]

Since its a get out of jail free card

[orchid wing]

Sorru, not trying to blame anyone, just seems to be my first inuituon whem given any dash

[frosty trellis]

Like, it makes Thanatos Last completely free

Already

[inner anvil]

It's fine.

[frosty trellis]

Because.you can GSD after killing Twins or Ares and then not have to worry

About Thanatos

It already makes one of them free

Don't need to buff GSD

[orchid wing]

So from what i see
The godslayer dash is powerful but (at least for me) not fun at all to use

[inner anvil]

What makes it not fun?

I'm open to feedback.

[frosty trellis]

Lack of momentum and it can be kinda annoying to use

[inner anvil]

Because I greatly prefer Silva Revive.

[frosty trellis]

Oh so do I

[inner anvil]

• Said the summoner main.

[frosty trellis]

I'm a melee main and prefer the revive

But the GSD doesn't always work

[orchid wing]

I have some of my own experince in game desing so let me explain something

[frosty trellis]

Even when holding down the hotkey

Which makes it weird

[grim tusk]

Just Nebulous core

[frosty trellis]

And you can't go upwards either GSD

No

[grim tusk]

You can

[frosty trellis]

You can?

I've never been able to pull it off

[grim tusk]

Press W

[frosty trellis]

I've tried

[drowsy plank]

gsd feels like it needs a large space to fight and calamity has like... yharon and scal right after you get it which are like. the opposite of the kind of bosses you'd want for it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah that as well

Well, it's useful for SCal's bullet hells if you are in a pinch since iframes

[cobalt pewter]

exos?

[frosty trellis]

But Yharon is just.... Bad

[cobalt pewter]

probably not gsd

but still

[frosty trellis]

Exos it's good for Thanatos and neither of the other two

[drowsy plank]

yeah it's good on line exactly exos which is fine if it was an accessory but this is your set bonus

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

and the other set gets a revive

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

And with Silva wings/draconic elixer it's a half of max HP revive

[orchid wing]

Me and my gf are making a Sonic fangame and when she fisrt started coding the spindash in, she implemetnes it like this

when press [blank] move character 100 units forward
And it felt very very jank and unfun to use

I feel the same about the godslayer dash, it moves you like 1.5 screens to a direction and then stops

[grim tusk]

Vertical dashing

[frosty trellis]

Not something I've ever wanted to do against Yharon

And Silva wings give way more than enough flight speed for that

[grim tusk]

Iframes are iframes

[frosty trellis]

And the bean fall speed

True

But Yharon besides the below 30% telefrag problems isn't a boss you need them on...?

[orchid wing]

True

[drowsy plank]

yeah verticality is useful on yharon so i could see it being decent to like. despawn projectiles maybe, or put a lot of distance to dodge. and the iframes are wacky. maybe it's just too technical for people lmao

[orchid wing]

What abt bosses like Scal?
Basicaly suicide

[frosty trellis]

Nah

BH5

Can be useful to get out of a pinch

Also iframing at the end of BH1 to not take damage

But very niche

[inner anvil]

So y'all basically saying make God Slayer dash more useful because when it's given to you it's not really useful?

[drowsy plank]

it's just... weird

[frosty trellis]

It's good for Exos

[orchid wing]

Every time i try that i plummit myself into the other corner of the arena to die

[frosty trellis]

Just not really good for Yharon or SCal

Very niche on both

More so for Yharon since Silva wings and the bean are more than fine

[cobalt pewter]

make the dash homing /j

[drowsy plank]

yoooo free contact damage??

[orchid wing]

I rlly think the dash should be much more controllable and not give so many fucking iframes

[inner anvil]

I think the I-Frames are fine.

[frosty trellis]

Iframes are fine

Yeah

It's a 45 second cooldown dash

[inner anvil]

It gives you I-Frames from start of the dash to end of the dash, no exceptions.

[frosty trellis]

Oh wait old lords

Yeah

[orchid wing]

I quess thats just my preferrnce then

[frosty trellis]

But the cooldown on old lords is a must

[orchid wing]

Oki

In the end, i just do not like using godslayer at all

[frosty trellis]

It's weird for it's stage

So I will give you that

[inner anvil]

We'll see what we do to God Slayer Dash.

[drowsy plank]

i think it could be cool if it was more like a short burst of directional speed. actually if it was more like relic of deliverance that could be interesting

[inner anvil]

The only plans I know is that you'll be able to go where your mouse is pointing.

For God Slayer dash.

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

[orchid wing]

I think maybe the dashes should swap places, a controllable momentum dash with less iframes to godslayer, and a less controllable slam for the old lord

Just thinkin on the spot

[frosty trellis]

Might I suggest dropping it entirely and reworking the Godslayer armor set bonus to something less niche and situation for 3 of the upcoming 4 boss fights? (If you include AEW)

[drowsy plank]

i put GSD on my Mouse3 so i think it going towards your mouse would be very useful

[orchid wing]

THATS EXCATCLY WJAT I WANT FUCK YEA

Also slight nitpick if i may

[inner anvil]

You may.

[orchid wing]

I do not like the visuals of godslayer dash, i in general hate particle spam (looking at you triactis' hammer)
I understand why its used sometimes, but an actual texture insted of a bunch of dust looks just better to me
If nobody else has time i could do a spritesheet for a kind of super Sonic style aura for the dash

[inner anvil]

Yes, yes, eventually, just give it time.

[orchid wing]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-unleashed-rooftop-run-boost-game-3d-platformer-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-23627731

[inner anvil]

Not top of our priorities.

[orchid wing]

Think smth like that

[drowsy plank]

yes i think memes knows what sonic is

[orchid wing]

Just clarifying KKKKKKKKK

[drowsy plank]

if you could actually make something you could probably post it in the art server

see how it goes over there

[orchid wing]

Oh theres a server for that?

Cool

I think ill do it

[inner anvil]

#info message

[drowsy plank]

there's a lot of requests for sprites to exist but they need people to Make Them

like God Slayer Jetpack

[orchid wing]

Ooooh just what ive been looking for

[drowsy plank]

that thing has been in dev hell for

years

[inner anvil]

Eventually.

[drowsy plank]

nah im not rushing, im just saying people want it but no one wants to sprite it

it's like that dude at the podium meme uh

[orchid wing]

I remember the calamitys vanities version of godslayer jetpack KKKKKKKKKKK

It looks very jank

Jetpacks are really hard to make look good in terraria

[small timber]

I only posted it in nohit lounge but I will just dump it here too, since many testers hang out here often

[] These are all HORIZONTAL FLIGHT speed; not on ground speed or vertical speed

(this video test involve using laudanum to obtain absurd movement speed to compare wings with tracers)

[drowsy plank]

is nohit lounge public i hear about it a lot

[minor shell]

no

well

kinda

[small timber]

you can join by just nohitting pre-HM bosses, then message ben

[minor shell]

^

[drowsy plank]

aight

[small timber]

it is mostly casual so don't worry about it being a place where "you must nohit scal or you bad people" kinda place

[small timber]

tldr of this: wings don't scale properly with movement speed, while tracers have massive scaling with movement speed in terms of horizontal flight speed, to the point of not even comparable

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[golden tulip]

i mean you are still expected to do a full nohit journey.

[frosty trellis]

I nohit all phm bosses and haven't had the time to do more and need to redo two of them bc of AI changes and no one is at me

[small timber]

yeah meanwhile the list of on hiatus people

[drowsy plank]

ok so it wasnt just me

[golden tulip]

yea nohit has changed

for the better?

[minor shell]

perhaps we should focus more on the speed issue just presented rather than how to get into the nohit lounge

[golden tulip]

right

[fossil finch]

wait you can't?
you guys kept saying this is what it did before release i'm surprised it ended up not being the case

[orchid wing]

That is me

[fossil finch]

me nohitting up to perfs and joining nohit so i can never do it again to get direct nohit leaks

interpolated looking ass meme

[orchid wing]

What..?

[drowsy plank]

i honestly hear a lot about how good wings are but when doing moonlight provi i ended up using tracers

it looks like AI interpolated art

i just stole the first image i could cause im in class rn

[orchid wing]

Oh Lol, i made it in like 15 seconds

[fossil finch]

it looks like it has been interpolated i swear the og image is way cleaner

it's not your fault cognitive's version looks the smae

[inner anvil]

I don't know, I wasn't on the team back then.

[small timber]

tracers is unironically a lot better than wings as long as you dont care about flight time (aka: good arena or using soaring insignia)

just because of the speed alone

[minor shell]

yharon?

[drowsy plank]

i keep soaring on all the time after getting it lmao

[minor shell]

and i feel like the speed can be very damaging for scal

[cobalt pewter]

:clueless:

[small timber]

I find that I actually need less and less flight time for yharon the more I fight it, horizontal space is actually a lot more useful for yharon than vertical

[drowsy plank]

i mean

makes sense considering it's designed around restricting it

[small timber]

for scal ya, but for most bosses you just want speed

and in the case of having too much speed, you can instead just dump them and you will still have faster than wings speed; use the buff slot for other buff instead

having more speed is always better, because you can always scale down (especially relevant in non-nohit, where defensive buffs occupy a lot of buff slot if you use all of them)

[sweet thistle]

ah, so you posted it here

[small timber]

^for reference, from this test, if you want to get a "good" speed (eg: say 57mph), you need 155% MS on wings; for tracer you need... 90%, and you start at 50% MS when you create your character

[small timber]

yeah, beta testers hang out here a lot too

[sweet thistle]

i feel like this bug wasnt discovered like this because not as many people used tracers over the wings
and i feel a bit proud that i was the catalyst for this weird discovery
but xpc did all the testing theyre the real mvp

[small timber]

yeah, just unsure which is intended: whether movement speed are supposed to scale poorly on flight speed (eg: wings), or they are supposed to be good (eg: tracers)

[sweet thistle]

we will find out soon, maybe

[minor shell]

hoping its the latter

i want wings to scale like that

[sweet thistle]

it would be
funky

although it would probably completely make tracers an inferior choice in every possible regard over wings
and thats sad

[minor shell]

thats the point

[sweet thistle]

i still like the idea of the wings and tracers having this dichotomy

speed vs flight time

but maybe,, toned down just a bit

[minor shell]

idk i feel like tracers being faster in air just doesnt make sense. the whole point of them is that theyre boots and wings in one, right? so why do the boots affect the flying? plus tracers wouldnt become "useless" per se, since they still have the on ground advantage.

[sweet thistle]

maybe im just a tracer stan

idk

[drowsy plank]

tracers should be good horizontal and suck ass in everything else

[minor shell]

its ok. im deeply biased towards wings. half of what i say should be taken with a grain of salt

[drowsy plank]

and then wings fill all the other niches

tracers get horizontal speed, jetpacks get vertical, wings get the middle ground

simple

[minor shell]

i actually wonder if wings being slower was intentional so to prevent this?

[cobalt pewter]

Empress Wings does not abide to that

(it gets a vertical boost perk)

[sweet thistle]

idk, we will find out

soon
hopefully

[small timber]

probably can make the suggestion less specified by not stating the material requirement but instead just the progression tier they are moved to

[drowsy plank]

shhhhhhh not important

[minor shell]

and starboard gets vetical boost, but its also kinda not wings

[small timber]

Eg: in this case you can just say move it to post-sentinel/polterghast, instead of "require ruinous soul/armored shell" etc etc

[cobalt pewter]

meanwhile hover is practically underused in cal

(only Hadarian Wings has it afaik)

[small timber]

@oblique geyser

[oblique geyser]

I did

[small timber]

Oh sorry

Didnt see you are typing

[minor shell]

i thought betsy wings had something like that

[cobalt pewter]

in cal

[oblique geyser]

Now it just says move them to post sentinels

[sweet thistle]

i think they mean cal wings

[oblique geyser]

Hover is not very good tho tbh

[cobalt pewter]

only Hadarian Wings have a hover in cal

in vanilla there's 3

Hoverboard, Betsy's Wings and Starboard

[small timber]

If hover dont spend additional flight time I think they will be useful

[cobalt pewter]

well, that's an idea for a sugg

[small timber]

The current situation is pretty much you spend more floght time hovering than just tapping space (and hovering wings tend to have low flight time already)

[minor shell]

oh my bad i thought you meant in general

[small timber]

Hadarian kinda solve this by making hovering have extended flight time, but I assume betsy and starboard dont have this feature

[cobalt pewter]

it's even sillier with Hoverboard that it seems to be (at least visually) designed with Shroomite armor in mind, yet hovering doesn't actually put you into standing still state

because you technically stand still on Hoverboard AND Starboard

:clueless:

[cobalt pewter]

though afaik Hadarian's hover is just kinda

slow?

I didn't get to use it after its retier yet so I don't know how bad it is

[hearty yew]

stellar tune already drops as a standard magic weapon in the next update

jsyk

I think we already did this

[distant gyro]

you could pre-react it so it doesn't go into voting

[rotund tree]

looks like it's already in the current version

follows the same drop rule as the other empress weapons

[hearty yew]

I don't read #suggestions-posting and don't intend to do so

Though I agree that it would be better if I did

[hearty yew]

That's what I thought too, but it appears there was a bug with it in some respect. So I didn't want to speak too authoritatively.

[distant gyro]

i mean using response markers

in this case using 🏁

apparently i have lost the perm to do so anyway

[drowsy plank]

well it aint documented anywhere and we have no way of knowing so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if this is the case though, awesome lmao

also i would prefer if it was flagged if this is true

id much rather my other suggestions get in if this one is already done

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Buff the drop rate of Stellar Tune from Empress of Light]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hearty yew]

Marked as flagged. In fact, it is already in the game

Just checked the source code.

[drowsy plank]

hell yeah

[hearty yew]

Agreed. That would be our fault for not putting it in the changelogs.

I did a significant amount of loot rework recently due to TML 1.4 re-coding treasure bags to use 1.4 vanilla's loot rule system. As part of that, I fixed Empress' weapon drops, and as part of that, I decided to "fix" Stellar Tune's drop rate.

So it was a mostly-undocumented change on the side.

That's on us.

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

[hearty yew]

I'm shocked I have the perm myself

[drowsy plank]

dw about it, i cant imagine this stuff is easy to keep track of

lmao

[keen drum]

i like it in hm so i can drop boots earlier

but yeah i dont like it post ml considering you usually want to move up or diagonally anyway

maybe if it moved faster or something

[warm ocean]

Is adding an upgrade to the celestial shell using the water elemental transformation thing a SIS?

[fossil finch]

yes

[warm ocean]

Alright

No posty suggesty then

[frosty trellis]

Adren having a movement buff is already a no since that got rejected

Both wrong formatting and also too specific in the first place

[swift wharf]

ah yes

covering the screen stuff

you love to see it

[drowsy plank]

we need more of it

that's why we removed it from providence

[swift wharf]

I'll blind you

[drowsy plank]

F1N4LLY MY TRU3 FORM C4N B3 R3V34L3D

[swift wharf]

what the hell!!!!

[drowsy plank]

also dont forget we gotta keep blindness chance on brain of cthulhu tho :)

i love vanilla brain!!! it's such a good and fun fight!!!

[swift wharf]

ongod

can we just focus on the first part of the suggestion and pretend that the add more difficulties part doesn't exist

[fossil finch]

no cuz it sucks

[swift wharf]

it's good for my health if it doesn't exist

[fierce turret]

on top of the above I would rather a lack of effects that add a red overlay to the edges of the screen, just as consideration for people using a mod that adds that as an indicator of low health (unless of course Calamity adds that themselves)

[fleet coral]

ok do you all know how that one weapon that you can spike from supreme calamitas with the sepulcer summoning

and the discription says that it the consequences of the cosmic serpent if it gets too power hungry

or corrupt or something like that

what if the devourerer of gods got away instead of getting killed and then absorbed supreme calamitas' magic after you defeat her and she runs out of anger and malice to fuel her power

so she discharges a lot of it

and the devourerer absorbed it and became a post Supreme cal boss

turning into sepulcher

but a way crazier version

[fossil finch]

i'm crying audibly

[fleet coral]

I see no problems with this suggestion except all the problems that it has

[keen zodiac]

that's what i've been saying

[fleet coral]

wait really

sepulcher is too underused

we need more sepulcher

[fossil finch]

(it is not what they have been saying

[ruby plover]

what is this sentence

anyhoo yeah good luck with suggesting an upgraded DoG boss
if you. choose to. for some reason

[fleet coral]

im just putting it out there as an oddball idea

I doubt anything would every come from it in any reality

I just want more sepulcher

[hot zephyr]

no

[swift wharf]

people who want more sepulcher will end up like sepulcher

[fleet coral]

a centipede

[hybrid steeple]

(corpse)

[fleet coral]

I think its centipede

[buoyant idol]

@shadow plover Pretty sure that's a
Specific
Item
Suggestion
It will be most likely be instantly rejected

[fossil finch]

crying audibly

[short walrus]

we had the suggestion high, now we get to the suggestion fails

[buoyant idol]

Yeah, people really need to read the formatting rules and such

[crude geode]

#suggestions-posting message
Surprised this hasn’t been exclaimed via “it would make sense” being awful reasoning

[thorn dock]

It there some way to suggest the following without getting a mark?

Sug is around how awesome chaos candle is and if it's possible to take it even further and implement its effect into any kind of acc/armor whatsoever. Its handy to a very high degree and easily makes ppl smile.

Just lacking the right words currently 🤔

[shadow plover]

well crap......just thought it would be kinda cool for it to get an upgrade

thanks though

[short walrus]

you can stack chaos candle, water candle, and battle potions as well as a blood moon

i think that's enough enemy spawns

[crude geode]

If you want any more use like cheat sheet plus journey mode

[fossil finch]

zerg should do x300 like it did before

ngl

[burnt condor]

iirc stacking all of those almost made me die to pre-update wulfrum guys at like post-plantera it gets silly 😭

[short walrus]

zerg is funny as is

death mode ups the funny by a factor of 4

[drowsy plank]

dont forget demon trophy might eventually come back

[hot zephyr]

i'm deleting symbiote from the mod that accessory fucking sucks

[drowsy plank]

finally

[frosty trellis]

It doesn't suck but I digress

[drowsy plank]

it's an interesting idea, and very viable but

it's ruined people's perspective on what a true melee weapon should be

[frosty trellis]

Wdym

[drowsy plank]

it's just turned them into another projectile sword i guess, and it makes nearly anything viable because they all function the same idfk. im just. tired of seeing it. not to mention how inconsistent it is to get makes the situation worse. plus you have to balance around it existing

[crude geode]

Yo-yo bag moment

[drowsy plank]

exactly

[hot zephyr]

lol it sucks

what if true melee but not true melee.....

[drowsy plank]

just like yoyo bag!

[hot zephyr]

at least yoyo bag is easy to get

true melee weapons aren't balanced with symbiote in mind
symbiote will die one day and it'll be great

[sand ermine]

the day symbiote dies is a day i can die peacefully

[keen drum]

what if it granted a palladium armor type buff instead

fits the mushy buff theme

of regen and defense

[swift wharf]

true melee hits give you mushy

[keen drum]

yeah i guess thatd be simpler lol

it already gives a true melee damage bonus so its good enough without the secondary effect

mushy is pretty weak so itd probably work

[swift wharf]

it's the option that will make people cry less

[distant gyro]

bad feeling about that one

[hot zephyr]

subclass suggestion