suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

and if I am not mistaken cells and key are crafted on an hardmode anvil despite the recipe being accessible pre-Hardmode

[frosty trellis]

Key needs souls

[fossil finch]

let's take an openworld with progression and actual non linear one, botw
In botw, there is weapon tiers, and you can infact access every boss since you finish the tutorial without stops

Doing any of them does not make you automatically destroy the other because they were 3 tiers above

They're all balanced and designed differently but the general consensus is that all of them can be your first option and all of them can be your last one and it won't demolish any of the others

That's non linearity

Terraria is heavily gear based and expects you to get better gear
Tier skipping is not non linear progression... it's tier skipping

but.. this made me realize

Terraria and Calamity do have this

[small timber]

ya this is not pre-hardmode at all

in fact the suggestion say it is locked behind plantera which is not even true, that is vanilla

[fossil finch]

Mechs, mechs alts (not now, but when they were actually mechs alts) and magitech duo
Those are non linear!
You can do them in any order you want and (not at all with scal and draedon, but those are mainly balancing issues(?)) You won't demolish the other with the gear you get
You can do them in the order you simply prefer doing

[frosty trellis]

And to get in the temple before hardmode you need to use an EXPLOIT, not something that's intended or put there

[burnt condor]

maybe a question with an obvious answer but why specifically golem...? I feel like this argument could be applied to any boss that one would want to fight early

[fossil finch]

That's the main argument against it

[frosty trellis]

Because with exploits you can enter the temple in phm

[fossil finch]

There's no actual reason

[small timber]

because the suggestion is based on a wrong fact

[frosty trellis]

But with exploits

[fossil finch]

It's just "let me fight boss early"

[distant gyro]

with exploits a lot of things are fair game

[fossil finch]

Anyways i will actually try to dissect non linearity vs tier skipping on something understandable

[small timber]

the suggestion assumed key and cells have pre-hardmode recipe and plantera is the only thing locking it (which is not true), so they want to remove the plantera limitation by which will make golem "fightable pre-hardmode"

[distant gyro]

officially allowing it is another story

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but I doubt you beta testers and the dev team want to encourage them

[distant gyro]

besides, you can already do golem phm with that thought

[frosty trellis]

Wdym

[small timber]

you can fight golem prehm if you use hoik to enter temple preHM

since the chest have the cells

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

But that's exploit abuse

Would just lock golem and the temple chests until hm so exploits are discoraged

[velvet lynx]

correction, you cant fight him cuz the altar is locked

[frosty trellis]

Since by hm you can get RoD

[distant gyro]

you can do a lot of things if you temple hoik

[velvet lynx]

the altar is useless on prehm

[frosty trellis]

That's the fucking point

[distant gyro]

you can get bricks, get phm mythril, fight ravager pre-boss

[frosty trellis]

Golem doesn't need to be fightable in phm because exploits exist

[distant gyro]

under the combined circumstances that you are hoiking and playing on ftw

it is obscure and best be obscure

[fossil finch]

Basically, calamity's "non linearity" just has you skips tiers, sometimes massive skips, which just makes everything before them pointless
While this may make bosses optional and, progression "less linear" it isn't actual non-linearity, because all you're really doing is skip a bunch of gear and content in the game and you don't have a real reason to visit them now, you've skipped over them, not choose to fight x boss before y
In open world games, usually you'll be allowed to access most if not all of it instantly, with subtle guides where to go but not a lot of limits. This means you can go to a decently harder area, or maybe just an area you are more comfortable fighting enemies in. This is where non linearity comes in
If this areas are balanced similarly, with the idea that the challenge is kept no matter what do you, simply lessened, you can simply go to the ones you are more comfortable doing first and then have an easier time with the ones you find harder, this is actual non linearity. You are not skipping any tiers, you are simply not forced to do something on a line, and may choose a different path that keeps the challenge because that's how the game's designed

Ok i did the essay

Tell me if you think i got something wrong

[small timber]

ok old power cell works pre-HM (which is not acquiable) but chest power cell dont work

[burnt condor]

(also the "we could just make cultists check for post-plantera" asterisk feels. a bit like it's own counter argument...? idk)

[fossil finch]

That is because vanilla makes golem unsummonable pre plant to deter hoikers

So lo

[frosty trellis]

Eidolon Tablet exists so no

[small timber]

it basically just make it so you have to fight plantera to access cultist yeah (at least naturally)

[frosty trellis]

Can be aquired from eidolists at the start of hardmode

[burnt condor]

oh huh

[small timber]

in fact just fight yharon pre-ML

just go progression of start of HM -> cultist -> dragonfolly -> yharon why not

[burnt condor]

I fought dragonfolly pre moonlord because I found him easier </3

[fossil finch]

Exactly why we need to give pheromones luminite again

[frosty trellis]

No you just need to make the dragon egg cosmic anvil exclusive

[distant gyro]

dragonfolly preml is a funny

[frosty trellis]

The Yharon pre ML thing I've always found dumb

Folly pre-ML ain't that bad

Doesn't break anything

Yharon pre-ml makes no sense

Since you can't get Auric Ore anyways

Need to have a blossom pick for that

And a cosmic anvil

[distant gyro]

you can

but you can't make bars

[frosty trellis]

Need a cosmic anvil for bars ye

Which is why Yharon pre ML is stupid and should be moved up

To cosmic anvil

There's no reason

[small timber]

funnly enough yharon is the only end boss that you can fight with extremely bad gear because of the self-damage mechanic

[lone trench]

Never noticed that yharon dealt self damage

[small timber]

everytime yharon do a big bullet hell it deal a certain % of max hp as damage to self
it is basically the compensation for yharon being invulnerable during bullet hell now

that is the tldr of it
it is usually not noticeable since yharon is relatively squishy now

[lone trench]

Oh was it a recent change

[frosty trellis]

2.0 port changed that

Yeah

[lone trench]

Ah that’s why I didn’t know

I wasn’t able to play from since draedon was added until around last week

[median geyser]

Nerf the terra blade (impossible)

[frosty trellis]

Terra Blade isn't even that good for it's stage

Lmao

Edge is better, and that's outclassed by the wholely superior Tyrant Yharims Ultrisword

[sand ermine]

tyrant yharim's ultisword my beloved 😍

[median geyser]

Ima be real, I’m way out of the loop of calamity balance, I’ve never even beaten calamity💀

I just got “bored” of Terraria so I started playing calamity

[keen zodiac]

caustic edge line is goated

[median geyser]

I remember when I first played calamity, and I got the hell sword used in nights edge, and it was like twice as big as normal, my jaw literally dropped

Calamity balance is funni

[keen zodiac]

haha infinite iframes cheesing go brrrrrrr

[cobalt heath]

though ultisword is kinda busted

kek

it's by far the best weapon for that stage for melee

[small timber]

if every non-interesting weapon have to be reworked the list will be like, literally 80% of melee weapon

but ya I feel there are ones that should be prioritized first due to them being just even more terrible, like burning sky, terraedge etc

[thorn dock]

btw is demonshade a balanced late game armor? Total of 145% damage bonus to minions plus ten slots on top🤔

[small timber]

demonshade is up for rework, and a pretty soon one iirc

since I heard it originally was planned to be released on the patch with 1.4 port (if not because of 1.4 port end up being a massive pain)

(and post-scal/draedon balance or shadowspec tier is not really supposed to be balanced right now)

[swift wharf]

this is a mage weapon masquerading as a sword 🤓

anyways baron rework would be nice still

[keen zodiac]

demonshade is post game

[small timber]

@fathom sphinx minor nitpick, the "order" of eating the fruit dont matter to the colour, only 1,2,3,4 fruits eaten matter (for the colour changes)

but ya the rest of the suggestion seems fine

[fathom sphinx]

huh

i never realised

[small timber]

ya, since usually in normal playthrough you eat them in order

[fathom sphinx]

but anyways for some reason my heart color won't change

so i thought there should be a changing thing

[small timber]

yeah the rest of the suggestion is fine, just pointing the order thing out since it is not true

[fathom sphinx]

like where the torch god favour option would go

[small timber]

(tbh I dont like the final heart upgrade colour too, too many things going on; previous hearts are much cleaner)

[fathom sphinx]

im stuck with >1000 hp with golden hearts

kinda makes me sad to see theres no difference with vanilla for me

for the hearts

[fossil finch]

That's because fancy/bar style custom sprites are unimplemented @fathom sphinx

They'll be implemented soon™️

[thorn dock]

Hm necklace of vexation doesn't work if your hp are exactly at 50%

[small timber]

well the tooltip do say under 50% life, but ya it is probably more that currently there is no good way to stay exactly at 50% HP

[acoustic rampart]

Oh, I remembered there being multiple sources of healing orbs. Maybe I'm misremembering.

If I didn't have it, it'd just look like a "I haven't tried it properly or anything, but it looks op" suggestion for a nerf. I do have to actually say, yes, I have used this weapon.

[fossil finch]

Nobody's working with the assumption you did not though

[acoustic rampart]

Oh okay, then that makes sense. I thought all healing orbs worked the same.
But yeah, I was thinking Sand Elemental in particular.

[fossil finch]

And even then it'd be irrelevant because infernum is just not official

[crude geode]

You really don’t specifically have to mention infernum.

Also yeah infernum isn’t official

[fossil finch]

So for all calamity knows its not its own problem

[thorn dock]

Mutated truffle says when below 50% and he enrages at 50%. Vexation says when under 50% but doesn't gain the benefits at 50%

[acoustic rampart]

alright, I'll remove it from the suggestion

[small timber]

wording moment

but ya before there is a good way to stay exactly at/below 50% they probably will not fix it; when there is a good way to stay at that hp threshold maybe they will give a 1 HP leeway to every similar effect so they dont randomly stop working

soon™️

[crude geode]

not really soon considering it’s only 👍

[acoustic rampart]

I'm annoyed at how little the Regenerator's health regen actually is. Unless the stats are lying to me, it's only something like +4 regen, right?

[thorn dock]

When it goes through I will be much better. Hopefully vexation gets adjusted then too.

[small timber]

which is why it is soon™️

[small timber]

regenator provides a lot of regen, it is just the revengeance nerf mechanic

the tldr of the mechanic is that the more "full" you are to full hp, you regen less
2nd mechanic is the higher your max hp the more effective your regen is (therefore the lower your max hp the less effective your regen is)

with regenator nuking your max hp in half and therefore making you always closer to max hp, ya you can see why the regen feel so weak

iirc regenator regen is supposed to be 6 hp regen/second

[keen drum]

oh so the rework would buff that by a lot then

i might try a run with regenator, necklace of vexation, etc, seems like fun

[thorn dock]

Vex currently doesn't work at 50%

[keen drum]

yeah ik im hoping the sugg goes through

[thorn dock]

Just wrote a sug post

Thx mate

[small timber]

buff it to the point of likely have to get nerf yeah

though the tldr of the suggestion is mostly to get the synergy with 50% HP idea through, and less about item balancing (since they can be adjusted afterwards)

[keen drum]

yeah

[thorn dock]

Yupp reduce the regen then

[small timber]

@thorn dock oh right, do not include the regenator rework in the suggestion

there is no guarantee for implementation, and it is basically chaining suggestion to another suggestion that havent happen yet

so best just left the reasoning to the "it is an inconsistency" part

(and title can be better by being "Make Necklace of Vexation Work When Having Exactly 50% Life")

[drowsy plank]

yeah using previous and unimplemented suggs is a bad idea

[fossil finch]

im fucking crying and coping and seething and

[drowsy plank]

@glass pawn this sounds like something that might go over better in the calamity's vanities server

[glass pawn]

eh ig

but it SHOULD exist

[drowsy plank]

i mean, that doesn't actually sound like a bad idea, but yeah def a calvan thing

[fossil finch]

it should not exist because i dont want it to exist because i think the minion is ugly

reasoning destroyed i think

[swift wharf]

maybe it already exisits but the wiki is GONE

[drowsy plank]

honestly regardless of your feelings on this one funny dragon, being able to have one of any minion as a harmless pet would be cool, but it sounds like sounds like a LOT of work

[short walrus]

it was pretty ech anyway (and they were hoping for it to die so they could port to wiki.gg and make it good

[fossil finch]

ugly as

[grim tusk]

That is a bug

Not a sugg

[small timber]

I thought it is an oversight since it is rare to stay at exactly 50%

[small timber]

alright time for a 30 vote suggestion

[drowsy plank]

can we just

kill them

like when was the last time one of yall use one of these

[small timber]

yeah kill it

I totally didn't abuse it already on a very important fight

[drowsy plank]

okay well that's the other end

they're only going to be used while they can be abused

there's no winning here

[small timber]

yeah their nature are literally being abused

they are coldheart icicle but easier to use and on crack

[drowsy plank]

...can these be used outside of bossfights

[small timber]

I think yes, though it is pointless

their strongest feat is their max hp damage, outside of boss fight you dont really encounter things you dont kill faster with on-tier weapon

(and their ammo are expensive if you spam them endlessly)

[drowsy plank]

ok but like

events

[small timber]

they are still way weaker than on-tier weapon

since their damage are %damage in a very low amount, eg: like 1.33% max hp damage per shot

with most weapon you are dealing way more than that amount to a normal mob or even event boss; these weapons are only really useful against end bosses (dog, yharon, scal, draedon etc) since their hp are still extremely high compare to your dps

[cobalt pewter]

it's geared towards boss fights yea

the damage they give is pointless to anything but proper bosses

[drowsy plank]

either way they should die because boss fight oriented items 🤮

[cobalt pewter]

true

[small timber]

(and they can never scale with your damage modifier so their damage number is forever static)

[drowsy plank]

oh my god no these are definetly a fucking problem holy shit

i just did goblin army in like 30 seconds

was using magnum which is preBoss

[cobalt pewter]

god

[drowsy plank]

the only limiting factor is like, money and maybe inventory space, but i had like, a hundred shots and that was more than enough to sweep the event

[drowsy plank]

i suppose this is kind of a balancing thing so uh, idk @inner anvil ur online, could you just take a look at the boss killer weapons when used on events? like. literally any of them it doesnt matter. like maybe im just using them in unintended ways, but it's not like money is much of a problem to get in cal these days.

[small timber]

oh right those thing do deal some damage pre-Hardmode

I forgot how early magnum is

oh right pre-boss

ya 80 damage preboss is like, 2x as strong as musket

[drowsy plank]

i mean i tried a loadout on frost moon with hydra and it takes like 5 shots to kill a miniboss

having an option to just be like "no" to any enemy is just really stupid

and like, despite saying "slow" they fire

really fucking fast all things considered

[inner anvil]

What the fuck is a boss killer weapon?

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Classless_weapons

[inner anvil]

Every weapon kills bosses.

[drowsy plank]

the weird gun things

i didnt really know what to call them

trivia says they're RE guns

[inner anvil]

Call them classless, it's says so there.

Ah, those.

[drowsy plank]

fair, but i wasnt saying that, like, golden gun or yanmei's knife were broken, but you can literally just treat the RE guns like regular weapons during events and they're just

so fucking stupid

[inner anvil]

You want me to test RE guns on events?

[drowsy plank]

yeah p much

[inner anvil]

I expect detriment results.

[drowsy plank]

🙏 hoping this leads to them just fucking dying or even just being turned into regular ass ranged weapons after a severe nerf

[inner anvil]

I'm sorry, but they will suck, I will not test it.

I think it's a waste of my time.

[drowsy plank]

damn really?

[inner anvil]

They're weird weapons, so whatever.

[drowsy plank]

aight ig

[inner anvil]

Don't take it personal lmao.

[small timber]

only magnum should perform stupidly good ya

[inner anvil]

Like, those weapons are goofy aah.

[small timber]

since it has 80 base damage, which is more than double of musket

[inner anvil]

They're probably bad.

[small timber]

for other tier their base damage fall off like stupid

[inner anvil]

And plus we don't test events.

If a weapon is good on events, it's good, and if it's not, it's not.

[drowsy plank]

i realize, it just. feels really stupid atm, but w/e ig. maybe they'll get looked over again in the future as cal improves events

[inner anvil]

We may look at them in the future.

[small karma]

Avoid the F word plz.

[drowsy plank]

im sorry bro but if u dont want people saying fuck ur gonna need to go to another server

[fossil finch]

sob emoji

[small karma]

I am not one to complain. But you break the rules by typing f word

[swift wharf]

yeah stop fucking cursing you fucking cunt 🙄 @ cog

[drowsy plank]

PFFFFT

[drowsy plank]

what rule man

go ahead

ping a mod

show me the rule im breaking

[fossil finch]

there is infact no rule that prohibits anyone from cursing

[small karma]

Abusive words?

[swift wharf]

this is when I say the n word

[fossil finch]

there is no "abusive words" rule

[karmic stone]

@small karma there is no problem here, carry on

[fossil finch]

The only rule that may apply is the "Respect Eachother" rule

(But in this context it does not)

[small karma]

Ok. srry.

[drowsy plank]

in this house we do not respect the RE guns

[small karma]

RE?

[karmic stone]

Resident Evil

[drowsy plank]

either way, if i cant get them looked at balance wise im just gonna write a sugg about how they go against the current calamity design philosophy like how coldheart got removed and limitations on mirrors and teleports were reverted

[cobalt pewter]

sure

[small karma]

Add, are you human, bot, or AI.

No Offence

[drowsy plank]

what

[small karma]

Bots are often assigned with a special symbol. So I asked

[drowsy plank]

yes, you're right, bots on this server do have special symbols

[upbeat yacht]

if only we could know what this symbol means...

[small karma]

Which one?

[frosty trellis]

xpc on his way to make another nerf suggestion that won't pass

[drowsy plank]

woo

we will continue to make nerf suggs and continue to have them bomb hard

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

It sucks

[keen drum]

already got addressed mb 🙏

also yeah i wish those weps would just be removed tbh

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

If coldheart was removed those should be as well

Tbh

[median geyser]

This is very small but maybe in pins for suggestions let people know how to bold words in discord, since not everyone knows

[keen drum]

wym hold words?

[median geyser]

Auto correct💀

[keen drum]

lol all g

[median geyser]

Don’t make it required tho, that would be dumb

[keen drum]

the bot auto bolds titles when they get moved to #suggq

fuck

#suggestions-voting

[median geyser]

K

[hollow shell]

You still need to edit your suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

whuh

cat boom

[hollow shell]

Strangely worded suggestion with a lot of fluff

[small timber]

@wanton inlet calamity already has way more than enough summons (and their upgrade line), so why does sanguine specifically need to have an upgrade?

summons' "terra blade equivalent" already exist, it is plantation staff iirc, so technically your 'fantasy' is already fulfilled

[hollow shell]

but I guess it's not invalid

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

it doesn't have much weight in reasoning aside from a lot more runoff way to say "it'd be cool"

which is no weight

[fossil finch]

It wouldn't even work
Sanguine is blood moon related unlike terra weps which go crim and corruption

[small timber]

I dont play summoner recently, is sanguine staff even the best start of HM weapon in calamity?

[hollow shell]

I have heard it's pretty good

If not Very good

[cobalt pewter]

I don't wanna get into the mess of blade staff vs sanguine again

[fossil finch]

Pretty sure sanguine still pulls you to plantera because sanguine lol

[cobalt pewter]

but let's just say it's good

[neat linden]

sanguine is nice for early hm at all

although scanners post prime

[small timber]

ye, the tldr of the suggestion is still pretty much just "this weapon cool upgrade please"

which can apply to like, a lot of items in the mod

[fossil finch]

Scanners are just broken 💀

[cobalt pewter]

silly scrunky scanners

[wanton inlet]

i actually think sanguine staff has a lot of potential, it kinda introduced the whole "minions stay on your back" mechanic and such
also, for what its worth, making a crimson upgrade from a bloodmoon weapon does not sound counter intuitive

[cobalt pewter]

except it does?

crimson is miles behind where sanguine is

[small timber]

isnt sanguine AI wise is a reskinned and faster raven staff?

[hollow shell]

The themes are indeed similar though it'd still be a bit funky

The problem would be what materials or weapons would go into a Sanguine upgrade to make it Crimson-themed yeah

[cobalt pewter]

I wouldn't start doing such fuckery

[frail mantle]

nah

[hollow shell]

No idea but that sounds kinda like, an easy comparison to make
Aren't Ravens just "home in on the enemy"

[wanton inlet]

also while were on that, do i delete the post

[hollow shell]

You don't need to delete it no
Ideally you would edit it to strengthen your reasoning

[median geyser]

Maybe make it upgrade with blood orbs and hallowed bars to become something like a “purified” version? Idk

[fossil finch]

nooo don't fall into theme blending
Blood (moon) and blood (living pieces of land) may be similar but i don't think they're close enough yo be merged at all they can stay separate i think

[wanton inlet]

i feel like you can have a weapon transition out of one and onto another without "blending" themes

[cobalt pewter]

I would try to not mix those 2

the blood moon fishing enemies are just kinda

blood?

[median geyser]

Hell maybe just upgrade it with bars later on

[cobalt pewter]

while crimson is a lot more anatomy based with lots of blood

[fossil finch]

maybe just don't upgrade it i think

[cobalt pewter]

true!

why is there a need to upgrade everything

why can't weapons just be usable for more than a single boss

incoming terraris rant that I should try mitigating

but yea

[small timber]

I still think the main problem is just the suggestion reasoning can be applied to too many items, since it pretty much is just that as an item is strong it deserve an upgrade

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it is very broad

just replace sanguine with literally any other weapon and you could probably work it out

[small timber]

and after I compare to it, sanguine staff AI is actually function very similarly to scanner too (in terms of performance) so it isn't a unique case in calamity

[cobalt pewter]

cat boom s2

[hollow shell]

( Lore-wise their actual disconnect is that

Blood Moon enemies are created by an excess of the influence of Creation, Xeroc (the extradimensional true god of the universe) literally gazing upon the world and making the creatures overflow with development potential, which fucks up their anatomy but still lets them survive

The Crimson (I think this lore is still in place) is the corpse of Cthulhu, an undying god (but still one confined to the universe) whose viscera still writhes and births life even after death )

[fossil finch]

Wake up boys rover dropped new lore

[hollow shell]

this is relatively old lore

[fossil finch]

(The bloodmoon thing was never specified in that way

It was always just xeroc fucking up things I've never seen it said in that way in the slightest

[hollow shell]

Interesting

Wondering if too much of that is my own extrapolation

[fossil finch]

Idk

[median geyser]

Idk here’s a idea, craft all 3 hardmode bloodmoon drops together for a summon, an then add bars or something for balance in the recipe

[small timber]

into what?

[hollow shell]

Mixing classes in recipes is funny

[fossil finch]

no

Because what rover said

Instead make an entire bloodrose line bloodrose my belove

[median geyser]

Isn’t there a cryogen craft able that uses his drops to make a rouge weapon?

[hollow shell]

That's a donor item

[fossil finch]

That's donor

[small timber]

the only one that do this iirc is kelvin catalyst (a donor weapon)

[median geyser]

O

[small timber]

and the other one is apotheosis?

[hollow shell]

Also Apotheosis and Drataliornus yes

(actually idk if the latter still does)

[fossil finch]

Doesn't astreal defeat still use magilam too?

[median geyser]

Nvm then

[cobalt pewter]

donor is funny

[median geyser]

Agreed

[hollow shell]

Astreal Defeat I think is the only example of Calamtiy mixing classes of the devs' own volition?

[small timber]

drat is now blossom flux only

[fossil finch]

Astreal wouls be the only non donor example but still class mixing in recipes to have an item of a random one is weird

[small timber]

heavenly gale is completely moved out

[hollow shell]

oh right cannot forget about Aether's Whisper which is

the grey area in a lot of different situations

[fossil finch]

Whisper got killed didn't it

[hollow shell]

Depends on your definition of "killed"

[fossil finch]

I mean the ranger damage

[small timber]

I think aether whisper get changed at some point, it is all mage now

[median geyser]

Last idea, souls of fright and night could work for a sanguine upgrade, I’ll stop now

[fossil finch]

Lazhar going into it for no reason but recipe paddling is hilarious

[small timber]

the first question is still why sanguine staff (or rather, this weapon specifically) need an upgrade

before solving the recipe issue

[median geyser]

I like how I can use weapons farther than usual, also sanguine is cool

[hollow shell]

(Lemme frame this another way
The only reason Sanguine Staff doesn't have an upgrade is because Calamity ported to 1.4 in 2022, instead of 2017. )

[fossil finch]

ngl yes

[median geyser]

Yeah

[small timber]

(I mean an upgrade being added by the devs and through suggestion is different, but ya)

[fossil finch]

before things were given upgrades pretty arbitrarily and freely without care of bloat or anything

[drowsy plank]

i cant imagine the sanguine upgrade sugg passing in its current form lol

[hollow shell]

We actually care about meaningful upgrades and are wary about content bloat nowadays
Back in 2017 shit just got added for fun

Thank you Lt Labcoat

[acoustic rampart]

Oh, sure. Was feeling discouraged about it - really not clear to me what these suggestions should look like - but since you've sorta-asked, I've remade the suggestion.

[keen drum]

true

[hollow shell]

Definitely a lot better now

[median geyser]

Did anyone post anything about gettin urchin stingers easily? I feel like I saw that but I’m not sure

[hollow shell]

Yes there was a suggestion about that

#suggestions-voting message

[median geyser]

K thank you

Ok so this may be a bad suggestion, but can I suggest for more town pets? I love them and I want more

[hollow shell]

That wouldn't be off the table

You could ask for more if you can provide enough reason for it

[median geyser]

I like them? There’s only 3 and that’s not enough, I’m greedy and want more

I can’t really justify this I just want a fox

[hollow shell]

(keep in mind that the Labor of Love vanilla update will add slime town pets)

[median geyser]

Yeah, but slimes aren’t pets, I want a fox dammit

[hollow shell]

There prolly isn't enough reasoning to back that up unfortunately

[fossil finch]

youre being specist against slimes

[median geyser]

Yes

[lone trench]

Gonku racism arc

[fossil finch]

will not be tolerated

[median geyser]

Damn

[fossil finch]

banned

[median geyser]

💀

[keen drum]

theyre adding pet dogs too

(devourer of gods )

[hollow shell]

Well those're already in- ok

[median geyser]

Maybe I’ll bug the actual terraria devs about it. Just endlessly tweet them🗿

[keen drum]

honestly theyd probably be more likely to add it

[median geyser]

Yeah, but I refuse to touch Twitter

I’ll get a Twitter bot to do it for me

(I don’t know anything about twitter)

[drowsy plank]

good luck xpc

i remember making nearly the exact same sugg and it still hasn't passed

[small timber]

^

But ya I am just throwing it out there to gamble for the off chance it gets enough vote, since I probably dont have much to suggest for now anyway

[drowsy plank]

makes sense

🤞 that the RE guns just get turned into... normal guns

would be nice

[small timber]

All of them actually have good sprite and sound effect yeah

[drowsy plank]

i never realized just how good they are compared to everything else except the most broken things on tier

there's basically no reason not to have them as an "oh shit" option against normal enemies

and that's lame as hell

[small timber]

I knew they are good but I usually avoid them completely

I forgot they may be too good for event since their ammo used to be limited (per world), so it is impossible to spam them

[drowsy plank]

yeah, i agree, i usually avoid them, but after using just a couple for a few minutes i think they really have no place in the game

4 gold to obliterate anything is nothing when coin guns exists, and people are willing to shill out plats worth to get pots

[cobalt pewter]

also the funny jackpot gun is a thing too

[drowsy plank]

very true

they clearly werent made with average enemies in mind but

there's nothing stopping you

[small timber]

(3 seconds into wiki) of course it is a donor item

[drowsy plank]

wait really

oh you mean sevens

yeah

[cobalt pewter]

donor schmonor

too bad it ain't returning anymore

[hollow shell]

my dream is to give them, if not percent-health-damage, then just really cracked regular damage
but instead of doing the limited ammo and shots thing which are mechanics that are really awkward in the game of Terraria,
make it so each shot requires you to perform an extensive series of actions to reload the gun

[small timber]

Though tbh I do be curious how newer donor items are made, since I imagine the idea itself are posted long ago but the weapons generally use new iteration of technology/design available

[cobalt pewter]

I could've flexed on my design skill made a unique thing for donor if I have the money

[frail mantle]

give them cruelty squad reloads

you have to manually drag a bar down to reload after every shot

[hollow shell]

I want each reload to be a full fuckin Cooking Mama level

[small timber]

Make one of them required to draw.on screen similar to art attack to reload

[cobalt pewter]

play DDR for like 3 songs before you can reload

workout check

[drowsy plank]

reloading guns would be cool but i still hope they're made into ranged weapons either way because a series of all class guns with nothing explaining why they should be special compared to. idk. magnum. p90. shotgun. minigun. just make no sense. i suppose if they get really complicated then there's nothing wrong with the way they are right now since they wouldnt nearly be as viable on fodder enemies and minibosses like they are right now

[small timber]

Speaking of reloading gun I am dissappointed that wulfrum blunderbuss didnt have reload mechanic

Instead it only has 30 ammo available per scrap/silver coin (which you always have) rendering the mechanic pretty much irrelevant

[fossil finch]

every time you shoot a re gun you have to play wario ware minigames that include tetris re inventory organizing, cooking mama but the horrid peta parody, and playing 3 levels of osu while you play all touhous in lunatic with your feet

[small timber]

Everytime you try to reload a set of asgore rings appear around you

[cobalt pewter]

everytime you try to reload you're forced to complete the entirety of the original DOOM

[hollow shell]

ok last one
Every time you reload an actual gun gets dispensed from your computer that you need to reload and insert back into the computer

[cobalt pewter]

actually real

[drowsy plank]

honestly that would be kinda cool

[small timber]

What if make the mechanic instead of being required to reload the gun, be what is required to fire the gun instead

[hollow shell]

To like, prevent DOOM weapon swapping?

[median geyser]

Every time you reload you have to grab your nes zapper add on and pull out your nerf darts which you have to load into the barrel. Actual that’d be really funny to have some shitty peripheral be compatible with calamity

[drowsy plank]

sounds like something that would be an enchant from scal...

[hollow shell]

I think that's a meta thing in the new DOOM games, haven't played them, yet

[small timber]

Partially that

but also it will be really funny to see how people aim the gun while having to do a bunch of different mechanic simultaneously, and knowing they have to do it again if they miss

Actually that already exist, it is called Wulfrum Screwdriver and Midas Prime

Not so much Midas Prime since you have a lot of leeway, but at least it is an iteration

[median geyser]

Imagine the stupid clutch kills people would do, like “YES I finally did it, I played freedom dive and successfully made my gun do 1.1 more damage!”

[slender void]

imagine like a gun that has 20 different unrelated gimmicks and you have to do all of them perfectly to get optimal dmg

[median geyser]

Call a weapon Mario party and make it impossible to use by throwing over 50 mini games in your face

[slender void]

no hitters will still figure out a way to use it

[swift wharf]

I'm late but

[grim tusk]

Ultrakill has it too

[hollow shell]

I suppose so although "reloading" is only a mechanic on some weapons

[keen drum]

after using the elephant killer a second screen displaying a game of terraria will appear on your screen

killing either the exo mechs or scal will allow you to fire the weapon

[thorn dock]

Hmm buffing rare sand elementals healing projectile a good idea?

[hollow shell]

Are you talking about the suggestion currently in #suggestions-posting

[thorn dock]

Yes

[hollow shell]

What about it

[thorn dock]

I feel the way they move and the time span they dissappear after beeing released are kinda a counterweigt for the uniqueness of bypassing damaging debuffs

Making them easy to catch and bypassing debuffs will prob make it... Really good 😅

Would also be a really big buff to heart of the elements

[drowsy plank]

i mean

we had that before and heart was like

decent

nothing crazy

[acoustic rampart]

Yeah, it could definitely get OP if it's guaranteed to catch the orbs. It's currently, according to the wiki, +7.5hp/s. That's high even as a separate accessory, let alone with Heart.

[drowsy plank]

well remember that

rare ele is also a standalone accessory

it was actually viable as such before it became a lot harder to actually get the healing from

[acoustic rampart]

re: Glorious End
If anyone's wondering, it doesn't offer TOTAL invincibility. You can still be hit in between invincibility moments. But with good timing and any sense of boss prediction, that's just not a problem.

(I'd also like it if it didn't reset Adrenaline, but I'm guessing that's not remotely worth coding)

[fossil finch]

i think it resetting adren is a fair enough tradeoff if its going to keep being absurd as it is rn

[acoustic rampart]

I'd argue there's no such thing as a fair tradeoff for how absurd it is right now, but I get your point.

Once every week, on Friday @ 06:00:00 UTC (06:00 your time!), our Suggestions Bot will grab every message from suggestions-voting that is older than 7 days and younger than 14 days, and put them all in a group.
Then, the suggestions with the top 20% votes in that group will be forward to the devs.
Say, is this still a thing? It seems a bit weird that only 1/5th of suggestions go through.

[frosty trellis]

I mean, it deals damage to you
Adren goes away when you take damage

That's just that

[fossil finch]

it is still a thing why would it be pinned if it wasn't

[half sage]

Before that it was 270 stars, so only 1/100 went through

[fossil finch]

funnily enough star count was changed always precisely to make 20% of suggs pass

stuff like 270 was just overshoot

so like 1/5th was always the supposed ratio of suggs that get to pass

[half sage]

Yea, upped cuz of influx due to draedon update, but overshot and like nothing went through

Thanks autocorrect

[fossil finch]

which tbh was a blessing because most suggs in that period where uh

[acoustic rampart]

well anyway, for reasons totally unrelated to that I have suggestions this week, can I kindly ask that everyone posts whatever they can think of too?

totally unrelated, I swear

[fossil finch]

you won't get anyone to post so you can bury them instead sory

[half sage]

Mine failed during that period but got grandfathered in when new system and got in

[fossil finch]

TROLLED

[drowsy plank]

you can just resubmit anyway

[acoustic rampart]

requesting Heart update, all week, every week

[drowsy plank]

you gotta wait for the previous one to pass/fail, so every two weeks, but yeah that's the general idea

[keen zodiac]

guys eclipse is about to post a suggestion

[swift wharf]

posting the ex²pert accs suggestion again because people are STUPID

(please buff spore sac I BEG you)

[hot zephyr]

no fuck you

spore sac now does self damage

[swift wharf]

AAAUUUGHHHHHH

[fossil finch]

Sporadically going insane

[hollow shell]

Gravity Globe is arguably good now, cuz they removed the must-be-on-ground flip condition

Technically it gives you infinite flight now

[drowsy plank]

that would be a buff tbh

[small mortar]

do your eyes appreciate the screen flipping

[acoustic rampart]

Has anyone actually used it to beat a boss?

[hollow shell]

That is indeed
the downside

[acoustic rampart]

boooooo

...seriously though, Tlord is right, I would like it a lot more if using it didn't immediately disorient you

[half sage]

Every day I miss old grav potions

[acoustic rampart]

should... I make that as a separate suggestion?

[hollow shell]

(there is a dedicated mod for unflipping the screen with Grav pots & Globe
But that is indeed a separate mod)

[swift wharf]

if only there was a consumable that lets you flip gravity

that you could get in pre-hardmode

oh well, ig gravity globe is really good then

[gray nebula]

💀

no (no no) (no no)

not cal's job .. plsss

itd be so annoying to make it work nicely

[acoustic rampart]

What're you referring to?

[inner anvil]

Your sugg.

[acoustic rampart]

inb4 "Okay, we fixed it. Globe will no longer flip the screen. Or flip gravity."

[swift wharf]

ok but what if it did something useful instead

[gray nebula]

why

its ok if its useless its a funny gimmick item

[swift wharf]

what gimmick

being trash?

you can just buy potions from the wizard for 2 gold

or craft them with blood orbs

[gray nebula]

its a funny gimmick item

its ok if its useless

[hollow shell]

(a complete waste, if it's sold)

[acoustic rampart]

I mean, keep in mind I have no idea how easy or hard it is to do. All I know is, it'd make for a more fun item. It's your call on if it's actually worth the effort to code it.

[swift wharf]

that's not an excuse for being the worst accessory in the game

[hollow shell]

Also yeah ML has 3 Expert items

[gray nebula]

its funny and gimmicky

[swift wharf]

it's not funny

it's not gimmicky

[gray nebula]

its entertaining

it is definitely gimmicky

[swift wharf]

it's a worse gravitation potion

[gray nebula]

check out the starboard wings for a real expert acc

[swift wharf]

that takes one (1) slot

exaclt

if you compare them

[gray nebula]

ok exactly so the gravity globe can staty there

its funny and gimmicky

just like the step stool

[swift wharf]

it's not tho

[gray nebula]

udont get to decide that im afraid

[hollow shell]

This is a very productive argument.

[fossil finch]

Sobbing

[swift wharf]

it is

[fossil finch]

Trolling you both making red rework it for 1.4.4

[swift wharf]

to a regular gravitation pot

[fossil finch]

Brb infiltrating in relogic hq

[hollow shell]

It can now change gravity in all 360 degrees

[fossil finch]

It will now be the way to access poo blocks

[swift wharf]

the acc genuinely hurts my brain

[fossil finch]

rover's better because it implies you can fall to the camera or something

[hollow shell]

No that would be uhh

infinity degrees I guess

(technically 360 is infinite already because fractions exist but w/e)

[fossil finch]

360 is used for full vision cameras that pick every angle on their 3 dimensions so it's true

[acoustic rampart]

360 infinities.

[swift wharf]

and spore sac is just there existing

[fossil finch]

Spore sack now makes you leave a plantera spore cloud by double tapping down

It is stationary and does 50 damage flat

[swift wharf]

mate

anything better than what we have is good enough

[half sage]

Spore sac is now a vanity accessory, the spores do no damage

[swift wharf]

based

[acoustic rampart]

Spore Sac has been replaced by Angel Statuette

next suggestion: make Angel Statuette more useful

...I say as a joke, but it's still funky that Angel Statue will be actually useful next patch

[swift wharf]

someone mentioned making gravity globe give you distorted immunity which would be kinda nice ngl

[fossil finch]

L

[swift wharf]

i will kill you

[fossil finch]

It's actually because you're kinda hypocrite because

Gravity Normalizer.,.,

[swift wharf]

FUCK THATS TRUE

well give it a better effect then

[acoustic rampart]

what the heck is this?

Upon consumption it grants the Gravity Normalizer buff, allowing the player to move normally in space as well as provides immunity to the Distorted debuff.

why?

AND IT REQUIRES A FISH TO CRAFT?

"Oh boy, a space fish! Now I can fight Storm Weaver, but without having to move slughtly further down the screen"

[inner anvil]

I would like if that potion didn't exist and it was something default from the player to be honest.
But that's just me.

I'm not a fan of the low gravity.

[crude geode]

Early game it’s pretty fun to jump from planetoid to planetoid, but late game it kinda fucks with your movement

[fossil finch]

You'd be surprised by how many people needed this to exist

[acoustic rampart]

The fact that you used the word "people" here implies more than 1, so yeah, consider me surprised

[stuck cave]

i mean
a) the distorted debuff fucking sucks, which is why i made a suggestion for making immunity to it more accessible
b) you'd be surprised how much the space gravity effect helps with fights like dog and exos if you use a surface arena (which i've always done bc clearing a couple planetoids is way more comfortable and easy than tearing up the ground lol)

it's the recipe for the potion that makes it a problem

the fish aside, it still needs aureus cells, which means you have to either fight a boss (not even considering how irritating and tanky that boss is on tier) or, again, fish

[crude geode]

aureus cells are kinda cringe ngl

wish that any enemy in astral dropped it post aureus tbh

[stuck cave]

i feel like unless it's a boss several tiers earlier that's super easy to farm at any point in the game you might need a material or potion, it's not a great idea to require a boss's drops for it

[fossil finch]

I mean

Aureus is post plant

Space gravity is only really an issue with weaver and dog

So like

[stuck cave]

i mean yea but distorted makes the vortex pillar a pain in the ass
which... i guess by that point you can still kill aureus relatively easily but still

it'd still be nice if they had some other source (or if you just didn't need them to begin with)

[fossil finch]

if you need distorted immunity for vortex pillar I'm sorry

[median geyser]

Remove every debuff that isn’t damage

Also remove moon lord👍

[small timber]

Gravity globe hold down to fall at slime mount speed + space gravity immunity

That will unironically make it viable

[fossil finch]

So many different combinations of led lights

[hollow shell]

This would be funny

[fossil finch]

i hope no one suggests weird stuff though like leave it at ambience i think

[harsh tundra]

no i just think like the abyss and the deeper you go the dimmer and dark it gets and stuff

[hollow shell]

That would be kind of a cool effect yeah
At the bottom it's just the very occasional key glowing light blue then fading

[harsh tundra]

yup

like i said, i don't know if its possible, but that would be sick

[median geyser]

I agree

[harsh tundra]

maybe if it gets enough vots it will recognized by the devs and might be added

[hushed zodiac]

Who even looks at their keyboard while playing?

[harsh tundra]

It’s a cool thing to have and makes it more immersive

A lot of people can agree

[sand ermine]

does anyone even use those stupid rgb programs

[keen zodiac]

i do very occasionally

[harsh tundra]

Yo why get mad about it it’s just the razor software that’s it

It is automatic though so I can’t even control it

[frosty trellis]

True, like my laptop came with it lmao. I can't control it either

[harsh tundra]

I know how to control it and change the colors and crap but I just roll with the game reactive ones

[frosty trellis]

Holy heck the hold r.click one plzzzzzz

[sand ermine]

Yes.

I'm gonna have carpel tunnel in my right hand by 2025 due to not having that feature

[small karma]

If you are a guy you should change your profile pic to a pic of a boy or man, instead of something horny. Man up, Bro!

[frosty trellis]

I literally had a friend of mine make this pfp for me

F off

I'm allowed to have whatever pfp I want as long as it's not explicit

[small karma]

Respect your own gender, Bruh.

[frosty trellis]

There's no harm in having a female as my pfp

[crude geode]

cringe

[small karma]

I mean be proud of your gender.

[sand ermine]

I literally have a trans woman as my profile picture

I am a cis male.

I just like the character design and art style

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[small karma]

What is "cis"?

[sand ermine]

You're the same gender as what you were assigned at birth, also this isnt the place lol

[median geyser]

L, this sounds like a argument going to happen soon. Don't do that

[small karma]

This is just a discussion

[frail mantle]

what

[small karma]

Dont Worry

[sand ermine]

Yeah, that's why I said this isn't the place since this is also a channel for suggestions about a mod with a few too much worms

[hollow shell]

@small karma Hello, do not randomly bring up what people are and aren't allowed to do in accordance to their gender, especially in a channel completely irrelevant to that topic

[median geyser]

Ok so hear me out, add a keybind to the controls that wins the game, very useful not fucking stupid in any way

[frosty trellis]

No

I shall not listen to you further

[median geyser]

First of all, emoji fail, second of all, it's funny

[teal lake]

I personally think a win button would be very useful for a noob like me :)

[distant gyro]

look for the cheat sheet mod

[median geyser]

Fuck he's got a point

[frosty trellis]

Doesn't SCal have butcher immunity?

Oh wait godmode lol

[distant gyro]

no

[frosty trellis]

I tried butchering her and it didn't go so well once

[crude geode]

butcher immunities got removed lol

[frosty trellis]

Trying to recov a world that didn't save before her

[frosty trellis]

Ah

[tardy geyser]

she still does all her bullet hells even if you try to butcher her

[frail mantle]

no she just dies

[tardy geyser]

was that changed in 2.0.1? or maybe its because multiplayer 🤷

wait no it def wasnt multiplayer because she was still bugged then

yep still happens

[small timber]

@ Pizza #suggestions-voting message I am not sure how close it is, but I think this suggestion serve the same purpose?

(oh calamitas clone not scal)

[cobalt pewter]

it's more or less the same sugg if we disregard the bosses in question

[distant gyro]

pretty much same difference

[vernal heron]

So about how long does it take for a suggestion to get decided on btw? I feel like I might've seen two weeks tossed around at one point but I can't remember lol

And I mean one that made it to the voting process to clarify

[small timber]

2 weeks

each friday (or at least for me) they will get send as a batch for all the suggestion that happen on the week before that

only suggestion that have top 20% of star count will get send

to tldr 1/5 suggestions will be send (depend on how many votes they got)

[short walrus]

which one was yours again?

[drowsy plank]

#suggestions-voting message

[short walrus]

sounds like a "too much effort" sugg, how did it not get flagged

[drowsy plank]

great question

[small mortar]

i've noticed nebula blaze just isn't a very good option. i tested it on a training dummy vs lazhar and swarmer, and i tested nebula blaze and swarmer against pillars. against the dummies, nebula blaze only had 2k dps vs lazhar and swarmer both having around 4k dps. against the pillars, nebula blaze struggled hard against the vortex pillar whereas the swarmer very quickly took care of the 100 solar enemies and then killed the solar pillar in about 3 seconds.
@inner anvil @strange grove could you test the nebula blaze vs various other post-pillar options?

it's important to know i was playing on expert when i tested these weapons out

[drowsy plank]

wouldnt you want to test it against moon lord on rev

[cobalt pewter]

try rev+

mod is balanced around rev+

[inner anvil]

Can test.

[drowsy plank]

also dont use dummies or events as dps tests, just for future reference

you usually use an on tier boss

[strange grove]

^

I find blaze to be a safer but slower option, one of my personal favorite weapons for moon lord

(Since well it is homing)

[inner anvil]

Alright, I'll go test it, I was already balancing another weapon.

[small timber]

I think nebula blaze should be like, fine?

since it do have mega crit

[drowsy plank]

we'll find out ig

[small timber]

but only single target though

[small mortar]

yeah, it also feels underwhelming because it's slow and single target, unlike the swarmer which can do a lot better vs multiple targets and the lazhar which pierces

[drowsy plank]

sounds like you just aren't using it in the right scenarios then

that doesnt make it bad

[small mortar]

it's not that it's bad, but that it feels much worse than other options

[drowsy plank]

"this single target weapon is performing poorly on large groups compared to weapons with good swarming potential and AoE damage"

[small timber]

I think it is a classic case of some mage weapon being much superior to other weapons on tier yeah

since swarmer was like, top tier I think?

[inner anvil]

I will test it on Astrum Deus and Moon Lord.

Okay, it's taking a long time on Deus, I'll buff it.

[fossil finch]

You're testing a single target weapon against a worm

I think your test should be more nuanced.,.,.,., what if its now op on ml uh.,.,.

[small timber]

just do the secret tech of 110% on deus instead

everyone's favourite way to buff weapons

[fossil finch]

Crying

[inner anvil]

I mate it too powerful.

[fossil finch]

😭

[inner anvil]

Kinda' fuck Astrum Deus, use a piercing weapon.

I'll buff it around Moon Lord.
Update: I don't need to buff it.

@small mortar The weapon doesn't need any changes, it's already balanced.

[small timber]

(swamer on the other hand)

[inner anvil]

Never used that weapon.

[small mortar]

it's less that it's underpowered, more that it feels a lot weaker than other options at that stage

such as the swarmer and lazhar

[inner anvil]

Then we nerf Swarmer and Lazhar, easy.

Relative to other weapons, yes, it's bad, but on a standard, it's balanced.

[small timber]

ya it is the equivalent of saying since hellwing staff deal extremely high damage water bolt should be buffed to do the same

[small mortar]

i never said it should be buffed

only asked it be tested vs other weapons

[frosty trellis]

Lazhar tbf has needed a nerf for awhile

I would say it's stronger than the swarmer vs ML and it's the Dues Shredder

Can kill dues under MNL and with a more standard build, not even a damage build

[drowsy plank]

truly the weapons ever

[small timber]

give it the bee's knees treatment

[drowsy plank]

this is a good sugg

i hope it passes, but it might be a bit complicated

[frosty trellis]

I hope so too

With the fancy uis calamity has I'm sure it's doable

[cobalt pewter]

you can include the item sprites within the decrypted schematics when opened

afaik just 5 weapons and a codebreaker piece no?

[fossil finch]

yes

[frail mantle]

@small mortar buy it from the wizard in the hallow

[small mortar]

ah ok

didnt know you could buy iy

mb

[frail mantle]

not everyone does

[small timber]

I thought the part of the greedy ring accessory are also obnoxious to obtain, but I guess it will be weird to buy an item from an NPC that make NPC have discount

[drowsy plank]

oh no i agree but they aren't weapons

and they dont help in combat or anything

and yeah it would be weird

plus those can be left for when 1.4.4 finally fixes pirate drop rates

id ask for cal to fix it but the update drops somewhat soon supposedly so

but coin gun is gonna be ass to get even with the update i guarantee it

so i was okay with asking for the weapons to be sold

like we dont sell tabi or black belt i dont think

[distant gyro]

nerfing sevens if coin gun gets a better drop

[frosty trellis]

Bruh

[drowsy plank]

good

weapons being balanced around being hard as fuck to get is just legendaries

which were fucking stupid

like that would mean stellar tune should be mega buffed because it's a 2% drop from EoL

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[drowsy plank]

@lament shore there are already plans for shrine items i believe

[frosty trellis]

Would be a nice bandaid fix for now though

[frail mantle]

the mod is specifically trying to avoid disabling things like magic mirror or teleports during bosses because it's "too cheesy"

[crude geode]

could we possibly add it the don'ts, if that's the design philosophy going forward?

[fossil finch]

We literally removed this crying

[swift wharf]

Adding removed content

It is a don't

[gray nebula]

i weep

just dont use teleporters lol

[swift wharf]

@acoustic rampart refer to the messages above

[acoustic rampart]

ah, alright. Didn't realise they used to be disabled. I'm backing out the suggestion then.

[crude geode]

I moreso meant suggs with the reasoning only being "it's cheesy"

[acoustic rampart]

why NOT remove cheese strats?

(I mean, except when it impacts other functionality, like in this case)

[errant cloud]

hey can i tap into the smarts of people in here for a suggestion i was gonna post

thonk;

basically i'm at post-prov stage of my first 1.4 run and one of the things thats always happened in a lot of people's runs is that like, they tend to have a lot of money by the time they're post-ml

so i was thinking maybe there could be a new coin type after platinum, or the coin system as a whole could be reworked over time into something cool cat

either or the former is less work and a better bet but the latter while more work has the potential to be spicier

[keen zodiac]

titanium or mythril coin would be cool

[errant cloud]

well how the coin tiers are now obv is c-s-g-p

so it's pretty and works for a basic system but if you wanted something for complex like in the latter example up there ^ you could rework coins so that there's a coin for all the vanilla ores or at least the ones up until [x] stage of progression

i still think that's excessive and @ the end of the day i'd rather one new coin type after platinum just be added but

im poking this channel cuz i wanna see if i can get a general consensus

[distant gyro]

let's just kill currency

[errant cloud]

not wrong

[distant gyro]

turn into a society where everything that costs money is free

[errant cloud]

socialism in my terraria, impossible /s

no but i really do think either one is good, the latter one has a lot of expandability

in particular i like the idea of say the tinkerer offering new sets of enchantments for higher tier coins in a modified system

[drowsy plank]

too much work id bet

reminds me of the terra coins from blushie mod or whatever they are

[errant cloud]

comparing it to those is probably not a good idea since im gonna take a wild guess and say that mod's pretty old

[swift wharf]

soul coins from red cloud

[bright crag]

^

There was an idea to add a Cosmilite Coin at some point but it was abandoned

[swift wharf]

and I don't think you can buy regular stuff with modded currency

[errant cloud]

theres nothing i have against just adding another tier of coin past platinum and calling it a day

if thats a better alternative

[fossil finch]

I mean, to begin with, people will complain about it
It is also kind of a slipper slope in certain ways, because there is 49349597 different cheese strats and tps aren't all of them, why not disable hoiking while a boss is active too?
Devs also really want to disassociate from the "Only bosses matter" perspective which has been a strain on the mod whether intentionally or not
Finally, who cares about cheese strats? most players will choose not to do them because the point of the bosses isn't to cheese them, it's to fight them

[thorn dock]

Trying on truffle again. Last time reached 130ish on a rather strong week🤔

[warm ocean]

anything to add i should my new suggestion or nah

i think it's a pretty complete idea

[swift wharf]

they drop from levi

[frosty trellis]

The bucket and sponge can already be obtained from Leviathan and Anahita yeah

[warm ocean]

oh shit

lava ones too?

[swift wharf]

and angler gear from ds

[frosty trellis]

Same with the hotline fishing rod

[swift wharf]

💀

[warm ocean]

[frosty trellis]

Lava bucket and sponge I don't think so but let me check

[swift wharf]

i'm most likely sure it drops

[warm ocean]

i would say delete that

[fossil finch]

lava bucket probably but sponge is 1.4 so maybe not

[frosty trellis]

Lava bucket and lava sponge doesn't drop from Leviathan

[warm ocean]

well now i need to wait 8 minutes for my other suggestion idea which is a recipe for the tally counter

[fossil finch]

oh both were 1.4, right

[frosty trellis]

Only the water ones

[fossil finch]

so yeah it makes sense they dont drop

[warm ocean]

well now i hate myself for deleting that one because we need that suggestion again

[frosty trellis]

Since you get the hotline fishing rod can ask for those two to be added to the drop table

[swift wharf]

and I thought tally counter was pretty easy to farm

huh

[warm ocean]

isn't it a .3 percent drop from the dungeon esqueletos

[frosty trellis]

1%

[swift wharf]

mate if you're gonna suggest something

[frosty trellis]

But if you're exploring the dungeon chances are you're gonna get it

[warm ocean]

well time to zerg off in the dungeon so i can get a cell phone

[swift wharf]

give us the actual numbers

[warm ocean]

my map reset anyway

[swift wharf]

and zerg is a thing yeah

[frosty trellis]

I don't have a problem with tally counter or Nazar farming

Even no zerg

Water candles in the dungeon give me enough enemies

[warm ocean]

still leaving that up to chance is exactly what makes farming things like rod and vitamins so hellish

[frosty trellis]

Dig out a bit on an area and it will make your life easier anyways in hardmode and post ML for arena building and making cores

[frosty trellis]

Tally counter is better than both

Ankh requirements are hell

Tally counter and stuff not so much

I've never had a problem even in vanilla getting the tally counter

[warm ocean]

well we still need the buckets and that

i'll remake my suggestion ig

lava buckets

[frosty trellis]

Lava bucket and sponge to Leviathan and Anahita drop table yeah

Since it works with the hotline fishing pole

[warm ocean]

4 minutes

[swift wharf]

drop table bloat

:trolge

[warm ocean]

well written or no?

[hollow idol]

Leviathan angler kit lesgo

[frosty trellis]

Lmaooooo

[warm ocean]

fat angler kit

[golden kayak]

Uh yeas please?

[fossil finch]

An status message would probably be best

abyss chests when

[golden kayak]

Is there a use time of Yateveo bloom spear on the wiki somewhere?
Or does it match the use time of the flail

[fossil finch]

Probably latter

[golden kayak]

I was wondering if yateveo bloom buff is needed or not

[frosty trellis]

No

It's fine

It just acts like a 1.3 flail and good for defeating DS with

[golden kayak]

For how difficult it is to obtain, the rightclick is underwhelming when you compare it even to the rotted fork which is much easier to get

[frosty trellis]

Possibly

[frosty trellis]

That was my first thought like: The waters tremble below the sulfurous sea or something like that

[cobalt pewter]

status message is fine, and it's not like Skelly has one

there's not even a status message for proper dungeon unlock after his defeat

though I would also love if Shadow Key updated its description to include shadow chests in the abyss

[fossil finch]

Vanilla didn't have them at all until wof was implemented

So,

and i mean ones that announce you x has happened the boss ones were always real

[small timber]

Tbh I always feel abyss should just have a different set of chest that are also unlockable by shadow key

Since I imagine it will probably not be too troublesome since astral chest do already exist

[fossil finch]

i feel abyss should just have abyss chests that open shen skeletron dies

Which is exactly what they wanted to do

But chest code is dreaded

[small timber]

That works too yeah

[fossil finch]

So they did not

And now there is other priorities

[sleek ore]

kinda dissappointed that death mode anahita + leviathan doesn't have a phase with just anahita

feels really silly that leviathan just instantly spawns

wondering if that would make a good sugg

[drowsy plank]

not really
the levi rush is supposed to make the fight harder

[sleek ore]

I mean it does make it harder but I don't get to hear siren's war cry

[drowsy plank]

the only thing i could see happening is maybe during a general death mode AI improvement kinda thing that she could get her own phase again

also true

they removed some of yharon's song tho where they're only obtainable by music box so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic rampart]

I don't think so. It's nice not to have the easy phase of the fight when you're on the harder difficulty. That kinda feels like a time-waster

[drowsy plank]

i think the argument is to

make a harder anahita phase

give her more solo attacks

which she drops during the combine phase or something

[sleek ore]

I really like that part of the fight and don't think it feels like a waste of time, I have to continuously pay attention so I don't get a projectile spawned on top of me

[fossil finch]

The argument is to get the music box

[drowsy plank]

lmfao owned

[sleek ore]

also just

I think I notice the biggest difference in difficulty between revengeance and deathmode on that fight in particular

providence maybe as well

[small timber]

Isnt aerialite thematically similar to sky mill furnitures?

Or sky mill furnitures just do not exist, since I am not a builder kind of person

[fossil finch]

Sky furniture does exist

Thematically they'd be kinda similar so idk

[hollow shell]

Damn, there really don't be Aerialite furniture

[frosty trellis]

There really don't be

[ruby plover]

well, a few ores dont have a furniture set

perennial, aerialite, cryonic.... i think thats it

oh and scoria

but scoria is fine cos the abyss already has two furniture sets lmao
and regardless, basically no vanilla ores have furniture sets, so its not an expectation

[drowsy plank]

let's add the rest ez

what about the ore armors and chloro

[ruby plover]

rogue is usually seperate from the vanilla multi-helmet armours

[drowsy plank]

same way summoner was for a while

[ruby plover]

and by usually i mean always

summoner only got a helmet for hallowed tho

[drowsy plank]

we're trying to kill multiclass

[ruby plover]

cobalt, palladium, orichalcum, mythril, titanium, adamantite

those exist as well

but yes, YES, multiclass should 🔪

[crude geode]

KILL

[ruby plover]

you get to have MUCH more uniqueness when you make individual sets

think titan heart armour

it might be a bit strong, but its a great example

[crude geode]

think any of the post plant class armors in vanilla

[ruby plover]

spider amour is a boring example of it

[small timber]

I think the devs do say eventually hallowed and ore armors will have summon and rogue set

[fossil finch]

Multihelmets cringe im glad they didn't give ores rogue and summon helms like planned originally

[small timber]

but ya, it is another soon™️ thing I think (or maybe they changed their plan)

[fossil finch]

I'm pretty sure they changed their plans or they would've done it with the reworks or something

[ruby plover]

yeah, probably something that will be suggested, be sent to devs, and get the good ol "the devs agree with this" and then nothing happens in the near future

[fossil finch]

Iban would've killed them too

[ruby plover]

i mean, its alright

but you get so much more freedom with design with single class armours

much more room to make something special

[small timber]

most people don't mind (me too), but if you are to implement something new individual armors are definitely more appealing

[stable musk]

@vital gazelle that's an ❗

[small timber]

yes, but at the sametime auric tesla already exist

so there really is like, no need for more multiclass armor as of right now

[fossil finch]

Auric can be special anyways it's auric endgame or something

[drowsy plank]

imagine a world where hallowed and chloro all class died and frost and forbidden were fleshed out so post mechs had actual armor variety

[fossil finch]

It is easier to make 5 helmets than 5 different armors yes

[small timber]

cosmetic stuff then to get passed with less reasoning since like, there is not really much reasoning to be find there

[fossil finch]

But i don't think this is a very valid argument

[ruby plover]

i think "easy > good" isnt the go to argument

[small timber]

(and that one I think at least have some reasoning)

ye

if easy>good = better then wulfrum armor and ark line will never exist

just add more true melee broadsword that deal 5x dps of other on tier weapon

it dies in vanilla pretty quickly actually if you look at it

yeah, after post-plant all vanilla armors are unique

[fossil finch]

Vanilla doesn't do it at all period

Only hm ore armors do it

[small timber]

they are all unique yeah

[drowsy plank]

they arent luminite armors, they're pillar armors, because the frags are what they're made of, luminite is just the progression lock

[small timber]

theme is in fact aligned to pillar

but ya, the tldr is just if the devs are willing to commit effort into it, then individually unique armors will always be much more interesting than multiclass armor

summoner dont really have a new for ore armor selection (since they have spider, tiki, fathom swarmer etc), rogue already have umbraphile and titan heart

[drowsy plank]

hey did that suggestion about letting ada and titanium be upgraded into frost/forbidden ever pass

[small timber]

I dont think so (didnt get enough vote)

since they are the same tier which make them a weird case

[small timber]

^

they did already had the idea, but since it havent happen yet I imagine they changed their mind

[fossil finch]

Umbra is made with hallowed bars so uhhh i think that's enough counter

[small timber]

it is post plant, but at the sametime daedalus already exist as post-2 mech

and plant is just right after mechs

which is exactly why there is no need for more multiclass armor

we already have a few

[fossil finch]

Daedalous will be publicly executed soon

We can pray