suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

because it is tedious

[reef fern]

huh

[small timber]

I always fish, but not everyone agree fishing is fun

[cobalt pewter]

hmm, I guess such changes in recipe can be done with potions with fishes

[lyric halo]

yeah, lotsa people don't like fishing

[cobalt pewter]

since fish are bigger than herbs

and they could've yielded more potions

[small timber]

ye multiple potions per ingredient (especially vanilla potions) feels like the first step

[cobalt pewter]

maybe I'll take my sweet ass time to look at the vanilla and cal recipes and see what can be improved

[small timber]

all vanilla recipe (except super healing potion) are 1 potion per ingredients iirc

[cobalt pewter]

I think the herb only potions can do with yielding 2 potions per craft, and I would totally consider those with fishes to yield higher amounts

[ebon moth]

I think ActualKnight's suggestion has legs. Not sure why she's being met with such antagonism but it seems some people just have a chip on their shoulder. It would remove a lot of tedium if you don't feel like waiting 🤷‍♀️

[hollow shell]

byeah it was pretty much just Nicole

[ebon moth]

Mmhmm

[hollow shell]

@hushed grotto
That is, ridiculously broad, lmao

Are you sure you aren't missing something important
like... non-musket ammo?

[small timber]

let me guess, using wooden arrow and normal musketball

the unlimited version

[small mortar]

"buff the ranger class damage"

as if ranger isnt already a top tier class in vanilla and modded

[cobalt rose]

“it took me ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SECONDS to kill that boss! unplayable!”

[distant gyro]

insane

[small timber]

@cobalt pewter

(I used excel because in txt it looked like mess)

[cobalt pewter]

real

[crude geode]

spreadsheets and google docs are slowly returning to the sugg channels

nature is healing

[cobalt pewter]

google docs is rightfully terrifying tho

but spreadsheets, yea

[crude geode]

absolutely

[small timber]

google doc implies the suggestion is literally essay (in length) in explanation

[cobalt pewter]

all luck potions are basically fuck you huh

[small timber]

oh I messed up the color coding for extremely hard, supposed to be different color

but ya, only luck potions are that difficulty

because pearls are fucking stupid

(and inferno potion which is 1 craft with 2x lava fish each because the effect is very good)

[cobalt pewter]

tbanks for the data, I might adjust the spreadsheet so that the sheet looks more compact, lots of free space there

[small timber]

ye, my aim was just to get it done

[eternal escarp]

@small mortar @hollow shell dont remember who else was back there
i checked hellwing staff further and yes, this needs nerfing (and possibly fixing the janky way it works)

[small mortar]

post eow weapon that's viable against mech bosses

i'm shocked i havent heard anybody talk about it

until now

[eternal escarp]

ive heared talks about hellwing, just not to this scale

[cobalt pewter]

Aureus has better things to be worked on

instead of giving it multiple hitboxes

[sacred tendon]

true

[tardy geyser]

what are the numbers between your kill time and notes?

[eternal escarp]

DPS

average, max, instability

[tardy geyser]

ah ok thanks

[eternal escarp]

although the DPS checks arent super accurate

[solemn dust]

@hushed grotto , Ranger on its own is a powerful class, if you are lacking in damage, id go to #help-advice-read-pins so the community can help you with your loadout.

[frosty trellis]

Ranger is by far the most consistent class through all stages yeah

Doesn't struggle

[small timber]

@hollow shell (since the suggestion havent been exclaimed yet), I think the 'Astrum Aureus Rework' suggestion in the posting is a bit too grand scale?

especially given that it provide no reasoning as to why a rework is needed other than they just want a different aureus (as well as being incredibly specific of how the rework will be)

[drowsy plank]

it also just doesnt make sense for the fight lmao

[small timber]

ya 2D spider legs is kinda

[grim tusk]

Yep

And Aureus’ speed is perfectly fine

You need to go under it when it jumps

Sugg is invalid due to its nature

Too specific, no reasoning

[frail mantle]

fab did mention having ideas for a miniboss like the martian saucer where there are multiple parts to break that each affect the boss' attacks

but that was unrelated to Aureus

[fossil finch]

leon what are you DOING

people should not know about the auric dreadnaught battle ship

[small timber]

what about the super secret wulfrum starship superboss

[grim tusk]

Banned for leaking

[frail mantle]

the fact that you know shows that it isn't exactly secret knowledge

also like there's no guarantee it'll happen at all

[fossil finch]

yeah but its too fucking memey

[frail mantle]

plans change and all that

[fossil finch]

again

blend them like labs do,.,

[drowsy plank]

the chevron hazard plating doesnt look too bad but the white and black lab pannelling always looked a bit janky

[fossil finch]

lmao

[small timber]

@wicked pivot it will be an add on and it will stay that way

there are so many different design choices that conflict with calamity that it is uncountable, there is a reason that despite the mod being developed by a calamity dev it remain as an addon mod

[swift wharf]

dom doesn't want to add it to the mod

[fossil finch]

@vocal grotto laugh at this one i thi (politely state the reasons you will never do thi

[swift wharf]

infernum will be added to infernum

[wicked pivot]

Okay, that makes sense

Imma just delete. I dont think its necessary then

[gray nebula]

based rework alert

for that aureus thingo

Calamity 2 idea

[small timber]

the idea will fit perfectly in 3D Terraria (2)

[fossil finch]

calamity 2 😭

[small timber]

where aureus is actually a spider instead of a crab

[gray nebula]

Calamity 2 not to be confuse with calamity 2.0

[swift wharf]

actually spiders and crabs are really similar

[gray nebula]

is calamity 2.0 calamity 2 already

[swift wharf]

tarantulas taste like crab

[fossil finch]

ifk

[wicked pivot]

What would terraria 2 even look like? Still retro pixels or more 3d looking?

[small timber]

pretty much Terraria but a completely different design in map structure (and some combat mechanic) iirc

[fossil finch]

we have no fucking idea

[small timber]

at least it seem to be heading that way seeing vanilla dev's posting

[gray nebula]

terraria with a poop y looking map

noita

[fossil finch]

not at all considering we have infact not been show the game

[wicked pivot]

Lets just hope it doesnt end up a flop

[swift wharf]

noita if it was bad

[small timber]

oh right now that you said it, the map do looked like a noita map

feels like one too

[fossil finch]

me when red rough concept

[small timber]

terraria 2 will have 16x the detail, all new rendering, lighting and landscape technology, and 4x the map size of terraria 1

[drowsy plank]

terraria 2 will just be terraria but with a slightly less awful engine

[crude geode]

@hollow shell SIS

[cobalt heath]

sis moment

@sacred tendon specific items suggestion, look at the suggestion don'ts doc

[fossil finch]

apparently they've

uh

they've already deleted their sugg

[drowsy plank]

they deleted their account too!

[hollow shell]

DAMN

wait no it's a meme that's just their username

[rotund tree]

pretty sure that's just their weird choice of username

[reef fern]

they were vaporized instantly

[drowsy plank]

weird ass username, cant imagine anything good could come of it lmao

[crude geode]

Truly a Wall of Flesh moment

[frosty trellis]

Just.... Put blocks between you and the eyes? It's like, stupidly easy to cheese

Since it's the same cheese method as vanilla

And takes like, 20 minutes

Eyes can't target you if there are blocks in the way

[sleek turret]

doesn't wof resize accordingly dependant on the height of the arena

[frosty trellis]

Yep

Make your arena about 50 blocks tall and then put 1 layer of blocks below and above slightly below center

And it's stupid easy

Just don't use ash blocks for the middle thing

It takes little time and makes the fight 100 times easier

[crude geode]

I love 🧀

[novel belfry]

why do we have to rely on a cheese method to fight the WoF?

[stuck cave]

yea a good cheese being available doesn't necessarily negate a boss rework suggestion bc ideally you wouldn't have to cheese anything to have a doable and interesting fight lol

[crude geode]

Wall of Flesh is such a vanilla™️ boss

Based around the fact that the arena you fight it in generally being ass

BoC suffers from this as well

[novel belfry]

Exactly

I should not have to cheese WoF on death if I just want to have a normal playthrough

at this rate, I'll probably have to downgrade to Rev just to actually beat the fucker

[small timber]

Ye wof fight is really just, unjustifiably bad, or at least boring

[novel belfry]

holy shit, rev wof is stupid easy

that doesn't even make sense

[frosty trellis]

Rev Yharon is piss easy and Death is suffering
DoG is flipsided where Rev DoG is bullshit and Death DoG is predicable

[drowsy plank]

wof is easy no matter what mode. it's just boring as fuck to set up an arena for

[frosty trellis]

That yeah ^

With Zen potions it's more manageable to set an arena up but still annoying

[crude geode]

see above

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

[neat linden]

WoF difficulty relies insanely on your arena

[frosty trellis]

Yeah no kid

If you have a halfway decent arena it's piss easy

If you don't it's suffering

I see BoC being arena reliant and no bc BoC has way to many issues regardless even with a good arena

[novel belfry]

queen slime is more fun than wof

[vocal grotto]

(Why did Discord not show me this)
To put it simply Infernum stuff being in the base mod would put an enormous amount of work on the back of the testing team, it would all be obliterate any creative freedom I have over my own creations, and in general it would stick out like a sore thumb, having basically two entirely different sets of the same bosses

[novel belfry]

I see

[median geyser]

So question, the wiki says that none of the calamity npcs prefer the modded biomes. Is this true and if so could I suggest they do that?

I don’t really use npc happiness when playing calamity but this sounds useful

[swift wharf]

that'll probably be added soontm with the biome updates

[frosty trellis]

I'm not sure any NPCs would even like them in the first place tbh

[cobalt pewter]

I mean I could expect cal to like crags ig

but that's about it

[frosty trellis]

The sea king definitely wouldn't like any of them
Cirrus doesn't like anything
SCal definitely not

[frosty trellis]

Cal hates the crags

[cobalt pewter]

true

[frosty trellis]

But like

What would the NPCs even like as their biome?

Because I don't see it

Ninja I don't think he would like any of them either

I don't see any of the NPCs liking any of the biomes tbh

[drowsy plank]

id imagine some vanilla NPCs could like the sunken sea

sulphrous sea is hard tho, same with craigs, they're just not very desirable places to be

astral could prolly just have the hallowed preferences or something

idk

it is kinda annoying no NPC actually likes these biomes lmao

[serene tendon]

Angler and maybe Pirate

[drowsy plank]

would be funny considering how many ways angler can die there, but sure, it's better than nothing

[serene tendon]

True

Maybe Calamitas could like the sunken sea since she's recovering and that's pretty much the opposite of brimstone. Or maybe she'd just be reminded of what she did above it, idk

[fossil finch]

Scal liking forests is fine

[swift wharf]

HOLY SHIT BASED FEEDZUH SUGGESTION

[safe oasis]

what is a xlsx file

[swift wharf]

excel file

I think

[fossil finch]

Excel file yes

[ashen warren]

shut it

[sand ermine]

you sound like you're Annoying Orange

[drowsy plank]

ban% speedrun

[reef fern]

oh boy nicole is back

[sand ermine]

nicole is one of my least favorite people i have Ever Seen to be honest

I Still Respect Them, Just Not As Much As I Would Respect My Good Friend Fantasy (who isn't in this server)

[small timber]

I think no need credit in the suggestion as usual? Since you also put a lot of works into reformatting it nicely

@cobalt pewter

(and an additional reasoning you can add is maybe how the potion selling dont really help with calamity potion since they dont sell them, but your method works)

[cobalt pewter]

nah fuck you

you contributed, you go in credit

[cobalt pewter]

this is fair, but I feel that aside from the combi potions (which is a separate topic entirely), the vanilla potions have more egregious issue with crafting, hence why I focused on em

[drowsy plank]

wait what the fuck thorns is corruption exclusive?

[stuck cave]

the potion?

[drowsy plank]

yeah it uses worm teeth

[stuck cave]

you can buy it from dryad in calamity so not really

but in vanilla yes

you also can't craft rage potions in a corruption world in vanilla

[drowsy plank]

considering the sugg advocates for removing potion shops it seems weird corruption has 2 exclusive potions... well actually heart reach are crimson exclusive so

[cobalt pewter]

yeah the crafting is corruption exclusive

[drowsy plank]

idk shit's weird

[cobalt pewter]

thorns and wrath are corruption

heartreach and rage are crimson

[drowsy plank]

it's so weird cause u get so many thorns/heartreach from random pots and chests

why are rage and wrath excluded when you can get lifeforce pots?

seems weird

[cobalt pewter]

it is pretty weird yes

while I'm usually the one that wants crimson and corruption to be as separate as possible when it comes to equipment, I feel like limiting potions this way is kinda

yea

[bright crag]

You don't need to
WoF has a pattern, his lasers are timed
The only issue is that they don't fire if the field of view is obstructed (causing desync between the eyes and unpredictability)

Death WoF is really easy with the right arena

The issue is just the fact that it needs a well-made arena

[sand ermine]

newest suggestion: preach

[small timber]

ya the suggestion feels like having a bit too much ranting

[sand ermine]

true

[drowsy plank]

lmao that's just how i sound sometimes

i could trim it

and i usually do over time

[small timber]

(and after reading through the suggestion I only roughly get that they want rage wrath ammoreserve to chest loot pool?)

[drowsy plank]

id like to make crates, pots, and chests, actually viable ways to get potions

you get handfuls already, but increasing the amount from drops would help drastically with potion scarcity

as well as obtaining methods

[small timber]

then probably just get straight to the point yeah, since after reading through the entirety of it I still dont exactly get what the suggestion wants

[drowsy plank]

does that make more sense?

[small timber]

ya makes a lot more sense (maybe can be slightly shorter but thats about it)

[median geyser]

So this is a idea I’m ripping from Minecraft, but what if there was a way to essentially “brew” potions, you could like use 1 item to brew 3 potions through some sort of table? Just a idea

[drowsy plank]

that's just

Pizza's suggestion

increase potion drop rates

[small timber]

that is essentially just "craft more potion from one set of material" yeah

[ashen warren]

cool

[median geyser]

Idk I thought of making it interesting instead of “just make more”

[drowsy plank]

i mean. all you said was the same thing. we already brew potions anyway it's just less involved than in minecraft

[median geyser]

I guess your right yeah, now that I think about it it would be reworking something that’s already there

Wait that’s also what you literally just said

My brain is small

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[median geyser]

Somebody should make a skin for terraria that makes the flamethrower look like Elon musks flamethrower

That would be funny

[drowsy plank]

you could do it

it's one sprite it wouldnt even be hard to implement

[reef fern]

you're not wrong though

she seems a bit mean

[sand ermine]

12 year olds are so cruel 😭

[drowsy plank]

lmao going for the throat huh

[small timber]

probably should say it is players' death not calamitas' death, but maybe just me

(and don't they usually despawn since your respawn time is so long)

[drowsy plank]

yes

so presumably

they fucked with it with another mod or something

is my guess

[small timber]

aight

@lapis hemlock do you have any other mods that affect your respawn time? since usually in the meantime of your respawn after death it give enough time for the brothers to despawn

[frosty trellis]

You could also make the return thing priority to other stuff since that's what Old Lords Oathsword does

[lilac fulcrum]

@lone trench what if there was a keybind for every single RMB weapon that allowed you to use that button as an alternative

[frosty trellis]

Or that yeah

That would be great actually

[hot zephyr]

it's wulfrum knives..... in thirty minutes you won't touch them again

[lilac fulcrum]

And while we're at it why not just have one keybind for every armor set bonus

[lone trench]

The main thing is just the toggle

[frosty trellis]

There is a armor set bonus keybind

[lilac fulcrum]

Oh

I thought that it was bound per armor but i might be thinking of an older version of the mod

[frosty trellis]

The only one it doesn't count is Godslayer dash and that's on purpose since that would be weird with the other stuff

[frosty trellis]

Probably older

It's one keybind

[lilac fulcrum]

ok, cool

[frosty trellis]

Literally called [Armor Set Bonus]

Lol

[ruby plover]

lmao, imagine a settings toggle for a singular early pre-hm weapon

[small timber]

numpad 9 toggle for musket to use silver bullet instead of musket ball in the inventory

[lone trench]

I meant when you hit right click it toggles the magnetizing

Edited the suggestion to make it more clear what I meant by toggle

[grave zinc]

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Cosmilite Pickaxe and/or Drill]

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[Remove the hitbox from DoG's head while it's invincible]

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[ripe owl]

[grave zinc]

@rancid gust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more ambient entities]

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@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Rework The Absorber's Recipe]

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[make providence always drop 4+ profaned moonlight dye when defeated at night]

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[**Make Cell Phone's recall speed improved to match Recall Potion's **]

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[Have the Bloodfin not be consumed upon pressing the "Quick Buff" button.]

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[Remove Rover Drive from The Absorber's recipe, and add it to The Sponge instead with inherited effects.]

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[cobalt pewter]

real

[grave zinc]

@kindred creek - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Remove Static Refiner]

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[Rename Wulfrum Pylons]

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[frosty trellis]

FUCKING FINALLY

Omg

[grave zinc]

@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Reduce Titan Heart research cost from 25 to 3]

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[frosty trellis]

It took 4 suggestions of that to get through

[drowsy plank]

[grave zinc]

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Improve or Rework Shroomite Armor Set Bonus]

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[drowsy plank]

damn

[grave zinc]

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[Make "Calamity" (the accessory) not instantly kill the skeleton merchant]

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[small timber]

huh

shroomite one seems a bit weird

[ashen warren]

:D

[drowsy plank]

was gonna say fantastic decisions on all of these but the shroomite one is weird, would've been cool to see something done with it

[ashen warren]

Bloodfin users rise up.

[frosty trellis]

Let's fucking go

I want that to be implemented so bad

[ashen warren]

I'm glad we got it.

[drowsy plank]

yeah, you think we could ask for context on it?

[frosty trellis]

I want to be able to use bloodfins again

[drowsy plank]

otherwise, you love to see it

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Removing static refiner was like, yeah that's not getting passed since the entire furniture set is there

Kek

[small timber]

probably ye, the others I think are sensible as for why they are accepted/denied, shroomite one not quite

(other than maybe not changing vanilla set effect but then again chlorophyte and ore armors exist)

[drowsy plank]

cell phone one was... duh. we had a whole convo, but yeah a lot of armor sets just kinda suck where they are now so idk

shroom, fossil, ninja, pumpkin

they're all kind of lackluster options for their tier

[small timber]

add necro on top of that

[drowsy plank]

yeah

and i like necro thematically

[small timber]

its set bonus was like -20% ammo consumption or something

[drowsy plank]

cool sprite too

[small timber]

ok it was reworked in 1.4, 10% ranged crit

not exactly useless in vanilla context, but in cal aerialite and statigel exist

[drowsy plank]

my only guess is something pertaining to iban's early game armor reworks as to why they havent touched some of these sets yet

tiki is getting whip buff in 1.4.4

maybe they'll just buff shroomite's stats if it underperforms against chloro, but i still never loved shroom and vortex's set bonus

[small timber]

@hollow shell sorry for ping, may we get the reasoning as to why the shroomite one was denied?

[drowsy plank]

plague reaper did it better

[hot zephyr]

I don't recall there being much discussion
Barely anyone voted on that suggestion to begin with

so idk throw it back in later down the line n hope for a different outcome

[ruby plover]

i made a suggestion for that a few weeks ago but it didnt get enough votes

im waitin for it to be long enough before i can suggest it again

[small timber]

I think you can immediately resuggest it after it already pass the suggestion batch

(or at least many people do that)

I think that one just barely missed since 150 is usually enough especially when there are many suggestions

[hot zephyr]

ninja armoro good

20% movement speed

[cobalt pewter]

nyoom

[vocal gust]

how many votes does a suggestion need to have to be accepted?

[small timber]

@ashen warren suggestion with the sole reasoning of "it will be cool" is not valid

(and that said, calamity vanity exist)

[distant gyro]

left the server after posting the suggestion

[small timber]

@lyric path please add reasoning as to why that should happen, since it basically just make the game more grindy

on top of that in the case of hallowed bar it was dropped by mechs in vanilla, so there is a precedent
(and the suggestion reasoning basically make just make it so the player have to mine the hallowed ore to craft hallowed pickaxe, it doesn't really solve the problem of hallowed stuff not being used)

[lyric path]

Sorry

[small timber]

nono not blaming you for anything, this channel is specifically for discussing about suggestion

the tldr is just basically each suggestion need to have a reasoning as to why the thing suggested need to happen, currently the suggestion is just lacking one

I think no since I remember talking about it in a suggestion about improving ore drops from fishing crate

[cobalt pewter]

@zenith hazel kill
#suggestions-posting message

[zenith hazel]

@flat brook yeah don't post joke suggestions

oh they left

amazing

[cobalt pewter]

yea.

[small timber]

@old phoenix that requires reworking a weapon for the sole purpose of "make sense by naming"

ok turns out nadir is a donor item so that is likely not happening 💀

(and reasoning is a bit lacking, since it is just "it will be cool")

• currently exhumed is reserved for mage and summoner weapon (for now)

[fossil finch]

Also nadir is donor

I hate this

[small timber]

oh

[fossil finch]

I knew it would happen

[small timber]

oh right then that idea is completely dead, forever

troll

I was thinking about just renaming the weapon since I still like the exhumed zenith idea

but LOL DONOR ITEMS

[half sage]

Donor suggestions 💀

[exotic quiver]

is this where I suggest balance changes for weapons?

[small timber]

yes, though you dont suggest it anymore

ping a tester and tell them which weapon you want to check out

[exotic quiver]

uhh alright

[small timber]

list of testers you can ping

[inner anvil]

Who will be chosen in the roulette of death?

[exotic quiver]

@eternal escarp frostbrand melee weapon is op for hardmode all the way to golem. drops from ice mimics immediately in hm and does better dps than most post mech boss weapons.

[small timber]

oh frostbrand, ya I think it was already tested at some point

(so basically known iirc)

[eternal escarp]

known

[exotic quiver]

well thats good

[inner anvil]

Yes, we've balance it already.

[eternal escarp]

latest sugg is invalid format anyways so let it get deleted on its own me thinks

the idea cant be salvaged because dono item

and why would zenith be an exhume thats just a headache to rebalance and it doesnt fit exhumed weapons at all

[small timber]

beta testers can put emotes in posting right?

[eternal escarp]

we cannot

[cobalt pewter]

don't seem like it

as it's actually separated by enter

[eternal escarp]

only mods (and other people like Altix iirc) can

[cobalt pewter]

might need to be manually flagged

[eternal escarp]

oh shit yeah youre right

in that case ill just

[cobalt pewter]

explosion

[eternal escarp]

@frail mantle unsalvagable sugg about exhuming zenith from a dono item

danke

[cobalt pewter]

dankeschön

thanks kiwawa

byeah sugg is successfully invalidated

[old phoenix]

so what you're saying is donor weapons are not subject to change or be removed...

[fossil finch]

All changes regarding donor weapons have to be approved by the donor

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[half sage]

Which is why suggestions about dark spark acting like a normal last prism is a don’t

[small timber]

tldr you need to somehow get donor approval first before able to suggest that

donor item moment

it can be abit frustrating but it is how it is

[frosty trellis]

Would say nadir needs a buff anyways since it's no longer good for Yharon

[fossil finch]

I mean this people did pay 50$ for an item

[half sage]

Yep, people paid good money for those items, some rando coming in and messing with them is no bueno

[frail mantle]

they're not subject to change unless the dedicatee agrees with the change

removing donor items probably won't happen

[distant gyro]

donor items are also subjected to restrictions

you can't significantly do-over an item that already exists, or put something on a tier that is offlimits

the latter is important here as donor items have strictly been pre-final bosses

[small timber]

the closest I think to achieve the suggestion is a renaming of nadir, so in the future the nadir weapon name can be use on another weapon

[distant gyro]

the only exception i know of is gem tech armor which breaks the rule as the donor is also dev

[small timber]

but ya, that is the extent of it

[frosty trellis]

Can you at least buff/nerf them to be on par with other weapons of the same tier?

[frail mantle]

donor item balance isn't up to the dedicatee

[frosty trellis]

Since Nadir could use a buff

[cobalt pewter]

donor gets a say on naming, design etc

but not balance

ye

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

Well, since Altix is here, test Nadir plz it's not good

Or at least, not as good as the other main 3 options

[distant gyro]

i think people have already tested before me

[frosty trellis]

Really?

[cobalt pewter]

(when will donors be available again)

(I want to waste 50 dollars on an ingame item people will use for approx 5 minutes support the devs with a bit of reward)

[frosty trellis]

Don't see much talk about nadir so idk

[frail mantle]

probably never

[frosty trellis]

Can you find the results of said testing then Altix?

[frail mantle]

the DoG tier patreon reward is now early access to cal updates a week before release (usually)

[distant gyro]

some dev items and post-dog items get picked up now because idk bored or something

[frosty trellis]

Ic Ig

[warm ocean]

So did i fuck up with the suggestion

Is that reason enough for meld bricks

[drowsy plank]

if you wanted to make it more convincing, i might include why and where furniture from these bricks or these bricks themselves might be used, i guess? like why do we need meld bricks

[swift wharf]

keep blobs

turn the other into bricks

[lone trench]

Meld furniture would look cool

[warm ocean]

But “it would look cool” is legally not a defense

Editing now

[drowsy plank]

yeah, i was just gonna say whatever niche meld could fill aesthetically seems a bit overlapped with things like monolith and voidstone furniture?

otherworldly is also there

for the sort of "space" furniture id imagine meld might fill

[warm ocean]

Otherworldly is really expensive for the point of the game meld blobs are readily available at

[drowsy plank]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Meld_Construct

[lone trench]

Meld is kinda greenish iirc

[warm ocean]

Those can’t be placed

[drowsy plank]

not talking to you

was posting it for nspace

[warm ocean]

Sorry

[drowsy plank]

dw

but yeah i think asking for it as a more discounted furniture set isnt a bad idea

variety is good and having more of it sooner is also good

[lone trench]

If it was meld blobs it could also be a really organic looking furniture set

[drowsy plank]

organic space set would be cool

yeah

i like the way it sort of resembles like hubble pics of nebulas n shit

[warm ocean]

I came across this idea while converting the planetoid lab into my post-ml base

[grave zinc]

@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Reduce Titan Heart research cost from 25 to 3]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@keen drum - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make providence always drop 4+ profaned moonlight dye when defeated at night]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[proud quest]

the death mode experience

[drowsy plank]

nice

[proud quest]

FUCK

WRONG CHANNEL

[keen drum]

big

[median geyser]

So I’ve noticed in my play through in calamity that when I’m using a whip with feral claws I can’t switch weapons while holding down left mouse, I know for a fact you can do this in base terraria. Could this change be reverted or is this a bug/other mod screwing with it?

(Essentially can I whip stack easier)

[swift wharf]

It's intended

Calamity kills whip stacking

[median geyser]

Aww man, I’m assuming this means I can’t suggest to change it back then

:(

[hot zephyr]

This is because Calamity has autoswing on every whip

[median geyser]

Oh, wait so can I suggest turning off auto swing for whips?

[hot zephyr]

you'd need to stop swinging, and then press the key to swap weapons

[median geyser]

Yeah I know it’s just annoying

[median geyser]

Still let feral claws have autoswing for whips though

Or wait no that doesn’t make sense since I can still swap mid swing in base terraria with feral claws, and feral claws give autoswing

[cobalt pewter]

probably a cal change then?

[median geyser]

Ok, so is it a ok suggestion to ask for whip switching while mid swing to be returned, or was this a deliberate change and I shouldn’t ask for it back?

[inner anvil]

Making whips autoswing is a Cal change.

Because things that aren't autoswing kinda' suck if they are used fast.

[rotund tree]

maybe both autoswings don't actually work the same way

[median geyser]

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking

I don’t know how to word this for voting though

[inner anvil]

I don't even know if we can fix that.

[median geyser]

I still want auto swing but I wanna be able to switch whips while holding left mouse

[median geyser]

:(

Maybe a dev would know more?

Idk I just like the snapthorn a lot and wanna switch easier

[rotund tree]

is whip stacking even good in calamity ?

[median geyser]

I don’t know, but this would be a buff technically

[inner anvil]

We kinda' want to kill whip swapping.

[median geyser]

Aww what? But it’s such a good feature. It gives summoner something fun to do

[inner anvil]

It's really not a good feature.

Makes balancing a nightmare.

[median geyser]

I can’t argue with that, I don’t really know anything about balancing. Well I hope summoner gets some fun stuff soon-ish. The wulfrum armor looks promising for the future

[upbeat yacht]

silly memes, there's no such thing as balance in a pve game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/959843156386537542.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[fossil finch]

MELD BLOCKS

[warm ocean]

[inner anvil]

I can with enough effort, can't make it perfect, but close.

[inner anvil]

We'll see.

But thank you for understanding.

Other people would just start arguing with me for no reason.

[median geyser]

👍

[fossil finch]

I know this is a joke but this line of thinking makes me want to die

[warm ocean]

is there any criteria for a suggestion to reach the voting channel

[upbeat yacht]

same

[inner anvil]

My name is both a curse and a blessing.

[median geyser]

I am interested tho, is it hard to balance cus of summon tag damage?

[fossil finch]

ALL games are balanced because op weapons aren't as fun as people think they are

[median geyser]

Cus that sounds hard

[fossil finch]

Not having an exclaim is the criteria

[inner anvil]

Whips, sentries, tag damage, etc.

[warm ocean]

and when is it moved to voting

[median geyser]

Fair nough

[fossil finch]

When your suggestion doesn't break rules

Also in 24 hours

[warm ocean]

immediately?

oh

[median geyser]

It would be kinda broken for a whole army to target 1 area AND have extra damage

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[fossil finch]

A suggestion has to live unexclaimed for a day to pass

[drowsy plank]

meld suggestion looks a lot better now, hope it passes

also god please dont remove autoswing on whips. whip stacking dying is a good thing because otherwise you'd have to balance the class around a, frankly, not very intuitive or well known mechanic

it's niche and frankly does not fit the nature of calamity

[inner anvil]

No, we are not removing autoswing.

[hot zephyr]

ideally we can just have it automatically fixed when labor of love adds intrinsic autoswing to everything

because I'm pretty sure a lot of cal's added autoswing will end up being repealed because you can just use the setting

[fossil finch]

That setting will be the downfall of society

I'd assume if not something in terraria itself tmod would add a way to make weapons not affected by it right

[hot zephyr]

silence

[fossil finch]

Imagine all the weapons that break with autoswing dying

[hot zephyr]

carpal tunnel is not a feature

[fossil finch]

Hiii

There's weapons that straight up cannot autoswing

What would an autoswinging last prism even do

[hot zephyr]

but yeah if Terraria doesn't have that built in, TML definitely will

[fossil finch]

Also i mean yeah but slow weapons do not give carpal tunnel

[drowsy plank]

i really cant imagine what autoswing on everything would break... as long as they make sure continuous use weapons aren't messed with, because yeah last prism autoswing doesnt make sense but that's because it already continuously fires while holding it down lmao

[hot zephyr]

idk morning star without autoswing is still annoying to use

the lack of autoswing doesn't make these weapons more enjoyable, just more annoying

nor does having to manually press the button every time add to any "skill"

[fossil finch]

i never said any of those things

[median geyser]

I just hope calamity can make whips “exist” at the very least, removing them entirely sounds like a waste of a weapon type

Definitely nerf em tho

[frail mantle]

they are absolutely not being removed

[drowsy plank]

what weapons cant autoswing that arent like last prisim where you just continuously hold the button to charge them

idk where the "removing whips" myth came from

[fossil finch]

in vanilla uhhh

ore bows

[median geyser]

👍

[fossil finch]

And venus magnum

That's kinda it

And well whips

Vanilla doesn't have a lot of non autoswingers

[drowsy plank]

i dont see the problem with making those autouse? cal already did it for magnum anyway

right

[fossil finch]

i never said that was a problem????

[drowsy plank]

i cannot tell what you're saying tbh

lmao

[median geyser]

Some video on YouTube dissing the calamity community for supposedly hating whips, idk if I’m allowed to post links here tho so you’d have to look up the vid

[fossil finch]

then read????

[median geyser]

It’s a bit popular

[fossil finch]

I'm CRYING

[drowsy plank]

i am reading it i do not understand what you're trying to say

what weapons break if they get autouse??

[fossil finch]

The weapons that break which you already know of

[frail mantle]

does it happen to have been shyguymask

in which case lol, lmao

[fossil finch]

If, say, the config applies to modded weapons automatically, then a lot of modded weapons would infact break thanks to custom swing methods

[drowsy plank]

i dont this sgm ever said the whip removal myth in his vid lol

[median geyser]

Yee

[drowsy plank]

i watched that one too, he just said they wanted to remove whip stacking

[fossil finch]

I've not seen the sgm video but i swear the god he did infact not say whips would be removed

[drowsy plank]

so that is not where the myth is from lmao

[fossil finch]

If he did i will commit manslaughter

[drowsy plank]

unless people just
really cannot read what he said

which

fair i guess

[median geyser]

I don’t think he said that, but the way he showed people in this discord done were saying to remove it

[hot zephyr]

calamity will not remove whips

[median geyser]

Idk I watched that vid a while ago I forgor💀

[frail mantle]

sgm is just one guy who is a bit excessively hyperfixated on whips and wanting them to stay exactly how they are in vanilla balance wise

[drowsy plank]

vanilla "balance" 🤮

[hot zephyr]

when do we publish the 16 page document on summon balancing with spreadsheets and cupholders

[fossil finch]

Even though:
They're op lol

That's unfeasible in calamity (They're ((more)) op lol)

[median geyser]

I’ll be honest as long as you guys make summoner a fun class I really don’t care what you do, wulfrum armor is awesome

[inner anvil]

Do you want me to ping CrabBar?

[drowsy plank]

i would read the 16 page summon balancing document+spreadsheet

[inner anvil]

Because he sure can.

[hot zephyr]

no

crabber whip document (real)

[fossil finch]

Crabber mana rework

[inner anvil]

What the hell is the mana rework?

[hot zephyr]

there's a lot of work being put into whip balancing but most of it relies on labor of love not fucking things up more

[drowsy plank]

impossible challenge

[median geyser]

However the squirrel staff isn’t fun pls change🗿

[fossil finch]

A myth that's never been public but has been said to exist

[hot zephyr]

1.4 summon balancing 💀
i love using sanguine staff up to LC

[inner anvil]

And let it be stay as a myth then.

[fossil finch]

no

[drowsy plank]

1.4.4 drops, red implements torch luck 2, community implodes

[hot zephyr]

i would love for tiki armor whip buff to be real

[fossil finch]

Anyways if 1.4.4 actually makes tiki a whip armor have fun

[inner anvil]

I won't.

[hot zephyr]

although makes zero sense why it isn't spooky armor

[drowsy plank]

would be so nice fr

[hot zephyr]

when spooky armor literally has a whip in its set

[median geyser]

💀

[lone trench]

Same

[hot zephyr]

i sentence you to 1000 years summoner balancing @inner anvil

[inner anvil]

Sure why not.

I like summoner.

[fossil finch]

hell

[hot zephyr]

it's either summoner balancing or melee speed rework balancing

the illusion of choice

[inner anvil]

MFs be like: haha Memes go balance summoner, he sure will be mad haha.
Bro, I joined the team because I like summoner.

[hot zephyr]

you joined the team because I abducted you*

[inner anvil]

Also that.

[median geyser]

Based dev

[fossil finch]

Explain this though?

[lone trench]

1.4.4 when it adds block luck (better use different arenas)

[inner anvil]

I never said I like armors. :trol:

[fossil finch]

If you like summoner why won't you have fun balancing tiki whip set

It's a summoner set so it still applies by overlapping

[frail mantle]

i guess specifically because there already is a pumpkin moon whip

[inner anvil]

Anyways, I joined the team for 3 reasons:
· Ian said "No balls".
· I wanted to balance summoner because I like the class.
· [Redacted], it's something personal.

[drowsy plank]

armors truly are the items ever

[hot zephyr]

ibans new armors are poggers though

[drowsy plank]

very true

[inner anvil]

Alright sure why not.

[fossil finch]

Boy armor gives a spear buff

I'm shitting this out I've no idea

[hot zephyr]

cool and good armor (trust me)

[fossil finch]

ok actually have ideas because like iban once asked what the spear sets thing was for but it's just a joke I've no idea what the boy armor is for

[hot zephyr]

i love wulfrum fusion array we snuck intrinsic AP into the thing just to fuck with shark tooth stans

[median geyser]

Ok speaking of vanilla reworks I kinda don’t like queen bee, like who actually cares enough to kill queen bee in vanilla if you aren’t getting ever boss, like why go for queen bee if you can just get a deathbringer/nightmare pickaxe and get hell stone gear? Same with summoner especially, just skip honey armor

[hot zephyr]

if you're playing summoner and ignoring QB you're doing it wrong

[median geyser]

Howmst

[lone trench]

Hornet staff

[hot zephyr]

witch doctor selling rage/wrath + summoning pots and pygmy necklace

[fossil finch]

just because you have a hate boner for qb doesn't mean other people do wtf

[lone trench]

That too

[median geyser]

But imp staff

[median geyser]

Ok true

[fossil finch]

There's people that like following the set progression

[frail mantle]

qb is quite literally the single most important boss for summoner

[hot zephyr]

yes I like two free earlygame summon slots for just killing an easy boss

[inner anvil]

And flasks.

For whips.

[hot zephyr]

[lone trench]

Idk man I think WoF is the most important boss for every class

[frail mantle]

WoF is important for every class yes

[median geyser]

Alright that’s kinda true, I guess it’s more like queen bee is a very easy skip for everything, but that’s why it’s a optional boss

[fossil finch]

Can we buff bee gun

Or maybe can i know how the fuck bee gun performs

Maybe it's still the vanilla powerhouse it was before and I'm just ignoring the poor thing

[median geyser]

Buff Barry Bee benson do it you won’t

[drowsy plank]

bee weapons are in a weird spot tbh

[fossil finch]

Only if it steals YOUR girlfriend

Swarmer

[median geyser]

Don’t got one🗿

[drowsy plank]

dont forget the awesome labor of love hive pack buffs

[fossil finch]

It was GOOD with plague hive and merk KILLED them

and now swarmer is just mid against ml

Boohooo

[median geyser]

Aren’t they gonna add a bee yo-yo in 1.4.4

[drowsy plank]

what

[fossil finch]

they are not

[drowsy plank]

i dont think so??

hive pack is just going to work on wasp gun and hornet staff now

and wasp gun will probably still be bad

[fossil finch]

Wasp gun boohoo

I'd give my all for these weapons to be buffed

[median geyser]

Yeah I heard it in chippy’s vid, somebody asked for it on Twitter and one of the devs mentioned a dev, forgot his name, guy who likes bees

[hot zephyr]

average bee yoyo fan vs average bee keeper enjoyer

[lone trench]

I don’t remember the last time I’ve used a yo-yo outside of getting a helfire by pure chance before any other hardmode weapons

[frail mantle]

@gray nebula thou

[gray nebula]

youre so fast holy shit

i was looking at this chat and i saw your ping before the sugg

[frail mantle]

god

[hot zephyr]

ibanplay choomfie add a sailor moon transformation cutscene each time you change

[gray nebula]

i wanna redo flamsteed eventually to also make its sword slash look less goofy gooby but thats not priority at lal

[median geyser]

Hey quick suggestion for the server itself, when an idea is already in the works the emoji should be a ♻️ since that would be more fitting

The ones that devs react with I mean

Just a thought

[lone trench]

How many calamity devs are there

[frail mantle]

i feel like the hammer and wrench works better to imply "work in progress"

recycle seems like it'd be fitting more for bluechecks

[frail mantle]

i think about thirty in total, although not all of them are active

[median geyser]

That is better

[median geyser]

Also I think the blues fine, two different green emojis could be confusing

[fossil finch]

lol lao???

[drowsy plank]

@kindred creek

oh fuck wait

i forgot to shut off the reply ping

whoops

[gray nebula]

ok THIS sugg is goofy

and cringe

the laser is shot from the core of the robot

[upbeat yacht]

what if polaris parrotfish had a unique indicator instead of consuming a buff slot?

[gray nebula]

it would be so awesome.. it would be so cool

[upbeat yacht]

so true

[drowsy plank]

just use the bar from cave story exactly

[upbeat yacht]

i know labor of love is gonna make all issues with too many buffs non-existent, but calamity already has a system in place for indicators, so like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/927625964253483059.webp?size=48&quality=lossless

[gray nebula]

u mean the CD tihngos

?

cuz it could also be made to be like the wulfrum bars and more

[upbeat yacht]

cooldowns, yeah

or maybe like draedon arsenal charge

just not a buff slot

[gray nebula]

naa just like aotc/wulfrum bars in the inventory

its shrimpler

[upbeat yacht]

ofc ofc

going for shrimplicity

[fossil finch]

@tidal epoch

it didn't, not at all

And, why, but an actual why

[inner anvil]

I mean, I understand that he wants another reliable source for the keys, as we do with the other keys.

You know what? Fuck it, Desert Key from Great Sand Shark.

[drowsy plank]

based

[swift wharf]

beat me to it

[inner anvil]

I'm actually going to forward that to the devs, I think it good.

[swift wharf]

what if we actually played the game

[frail mantle]

why

that means i have to play terraria

[swift wharf]

true..

[hot zephyr]

heeheehaha i requested the desert key go to the sand shark back in like uhhhh

march/abril

[inner anvil]

Bruh moment.

[fossil finch]

You're dumbe

[drowsy plank]

@acoustic rampart this is definetly a good idea, but i think adding some capacity to allow glorious end to safely ram enemies would be important; maybe just DR or Defense boosts? that could work

[acoustic rampart]

Ah, forgot about that! I've edited the suggestion.

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

I think Enter the Gungeon does it without some kinda buff slots by making the projectiles entirely different per level

[acoustic rampart]

There's no point in that suggestion. The vanilla Terraria update coming this month is removing the buff slot restriction.

[cobalt pewter]

nah, I think it'd be cleaner if it goes to the cooldown rack

personally I'd still limit the buff slots for actual buffs even with no limits now

since like

cooldown rack exists

[crude geode]

I thought it was doubling the buff slots, not straight up removing it

[frosty trellis]

Then why isn't potion and Mana sickness there if it exists?

[crude geode]

wtf is mana sickness it sounds cringe

[fossil finch]

Mana sickness is not a cooldown rack thing I'd say

Bcause its actually a debuff unlike "cant use pot"

Also potion sickness is in cooldown rack

The debuff was just not removed to not mess with other mods

Also the point is moot anyway because this is like completely different it's a weapon jts

Also just use the bar

The ark/blunderbuss bar

That simple

[drowsy plank]

it's like how the rune line uses buffs for no real reason

like i know it gives you buffs, but it could give those stat bonuses without using the buff slots

[cobalt pewter]

mana sickness is a debuff disguised as a "mana cooldown"

[cobalt pewter]

I don't remember either

@acoustic rampart #suggestions-posting message

maybe the title could be clearer on what you're referring to. Naming the entity that provides this healing orb in the first place should help

[swift wharf]

• there's no reasoning

[cobalt pewter]

it's vaguely there but not elaborated enough yes

[swift wharf]

other than "they're useless"

[crude geode]

Their despawn timer is very short, so unless you're roughly staying in place, they don't reach you in time.
????

bruh

like it's kinda shitty

[cobalt pewter]

I think I just feel like they should revisit the elementals in general

[crude geode]

but it's still THERE

[cobalt pewter]

aside from rare sand elemental these are kinda ech

[swift wharf]

yeah it's in the between lines but it's still there

[crude geode]

yeah I would agree tbh

they separate the elementals but didn't really give them anything to make up for it

[hot zephyr]

[crude geode]

something something "the boss as a playable character"

[cobalt pewter]

and why is there still a need to separate sand and rare sand now that there's no expert exclusives

[crude geode]

bc no EARTH ELE

[cobalt pewter]

god

[swift wharf]

I still think it lacks proper reasoning 🧐

[hot zephyr]

I'm going to stab you

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's definitely not elaborated enough

real

[crude geode]

please stab every earth ele wanter

[hot zephyr]

You first

make a suggestion to remove one of the sand elementals
easiest approved dev-vote ever tbh

say how it's the last remaining RIV in the mod

[crude geode]

one morbillion upvotes

[hot zephyr]

practically writes itself

[crude geode]

stars*

[swift wharf]

but waifus!!!!!

[hot zephyr]

cursed "redditor" being

[crude geode]

I know

[cobalt pewter]

jokes on you I'll ask to remove the standard sand elemental instead

useless compared to rare sand

[crude geode]

I spend too much time looking at leaks on reddit

[hot zephyr]

you have no power over me
i'm not straight your waifus mean nothing to me

[crude geode]

[swift wharf]

and I'm bisexual what's your point

[fossil finch]

[swift wharf]

someone post the 2018 waifu suggs are bad screenshot

[fossil finch]

You all suck

[cobalt pewter]

🤨

[hot zephyr]

you're one of us

[fossil finch]

anyways normal sand can go kill itself

i am indeed

[swift wharf]

sand haters vs rare sand haters

[fossil finch]

Rework cloudy to do the miniboss and idk what the fuck are you doing to brimbo and anashita

[cobalt pewter]

I cannot react here

wtf is happening

pisscord!

[crude geode]

devplans.png

[fossil finch]

That would imply i have you blocked

However

I do not

[cobalt pewter]

incredible

[hot zephyr]

heart of the elements rework will be real in 3... 2...

[fossil finch]

There photo proof

[cobalt pewter]

oh ok I can now

[fossil finch]

So i will assime discord sucks

[cobalt pewter]

truly pisscord

[hot zephyr]

i have all of you blocked I'm just talking to myself

[swift wharf]

skits of renia

[drowsy plank]

i like the elementals

[crude geode]

I love how irrelevant the infernum part of Lt. Labcoat’s sugg is

[hot zephyr]

what is an infernum

[swift wharf]

it's like malice or smth

[crude geode]

I wonder what the number of times this has been suggested is

[cobalt pewter]

it's a common sugg?

not aware at all

I've been out of the space for quite a while

[grim tusk]

People think Infernum is official for some fucking reason

[tardy geyser]

stealth strikes at 75 or 50% of max stealth would do less damage?

its still much better to wait for max

[grim tusk]

Although Infernum is made by two Calamity devs and some Calamity testers (most testers are not from the Calamity team though), it is not official even if Calamity officially recommended it

Thing is coin of deceit basically is choking rogue balance and meta

The line is all mustpicks

Due to how overpowered it is

[tardy geyser]

that makes sense yea

[grim tusk]

If Coin fucking dies we could do stuff like buff rogue weapons, stealth regen or other stuff

Potions and flasks (esp Cursed inferno) are also an issue for rogue

[fossil finch]

Simply make flasks not go into rogue anymore

[grim tusk]

Thing is cursed inferno flask is op in general

So if we take it off rogue, summoner and melee still have the issue

[keen drum]

coin of deceit line is def annoying

especially with dark gods sheath making crit useless

i think maybe stealth regen should be sped up and the line reworked

[cobalt pewter]

that is a separate problem from what I pointed out, but still an issue yes

[tardy geyser]

dark gods should def get a super crit mechanic or just remove that effect

maybe make coin reduce stealth strike damage, a bit like how more stealth regen does that. or just rework it entirely ofc

[cobalt pewter]

yes but ultimately they'd deal the same total amount of damage as you would with max stealth, just on an increased frequency of stealth strikes I guess

though that's not absolute depending on the weapon

doing stealth strikes more often can lead to more damage on some cases maybe, piercing and misses take into factor

(Frequency Manipulator can be tanked hard if you're using max stealth and you keep missing, either small enemy hitbox or shrimply skill issue)

[crude geode]

Flasks are dumb in general tbfh

Chokes up debuff balance

[cobalt pewter]

kill flasks?

[fossil finch]

Freq manip is so good but so easy to miss

[cobalt pewter]

yeah

the main projectile is very thin

[cobalt pewter]

replace flasks with whetstone for melee, only applies debuffs when you have a specific effect applied on a whetsone in acc slot

either way yea flasks are silly

now that it consistently applies to 60% of the classes in cal, it's clear how funny it is

[small timber]

What if coin upgrade line allow stealth strike at lower % instead of straight up consuming less?
Eg DGS allow ss at 50% bar but still consume the full bar

[cobalt pewter]

m

[small timber]

That way the item allows you to more easily do stealthstrike but not immediately allow you to do twice as much full power (full bar) stealth strike

Since the rogue rework is 2050devplans.png so this might be a temporary solution

[keen drum]

dont stealth strikes already count at 50%

or is that only with coin

[cobalt pewter]

coin is 75%

all its upgrades are 50%

[drowsy plank]

what's the difference between that and simply having faster regen tho

[hollow shell]

@acoustic rampart You're going to need to be more specific on which "healing orbs" you're referring to.
There's kinda a lot of different ones in the game

[novel belfry]

first thing I thought when I saw "whetstone" was the fucking monster hunter sharpness system

[small timber]

I will just use dark god sheath since it is the most relevant

currently if you have full bar, with dgs you only consume 50% per stealth strike so you drop to 50% bar, then you just have to wait for 50% bar to regen then you have a full power (full bar) stealth strike again

the rework I proposed is basically that you can stealth strike eventhough you have 50% bar, but if you have full bar it will still consume the entire bar for the stealth strike; you have to regen 100% bar to get a full power (full bar) stealth strike again

tldr you get just as much stealth strike but not as powerful if you keep doing 50% bar stealth strike

[drowsy plank]

oh okay, i didnt get see the weaker stealth strike attack part

yeah that makes sense

[fossil finch]

Thats literally the same thing it does now but without the 2 stealthies next to eachother tho

And at that point it'd be kind of peepoo weird

Specially since upgrades give stealth

[small timber]

ok I just realise camper straight up doesnt work is it

it dont do what it does, it literally dont give the "moving = stand still regen" part

[fossil finch]

Me having an acc that makes stealth strikes worse

[fossil finch]

Anyways my actual problem with this rework is that it:
Doesn't acctually change one of its current functionalities (getting stealth strikes earlier) and makes full strikes worse because stats aren't really gonna compensate beeing faster

[small timber]

the idea that I proposed will make it a lot worse

a full bar stealth strike is way more powerful than a half bar one especially late game

and now if you have full bar it straight up use the entire bar, so if you want to keep up full bar stealth strike you can ss half as much; you are forced to do half bar ss everytime to get same amount of ss

currently the accessory basically allow you to do full bar ss at the same frequency as the (proposed rework coin line) but only at half bar ss

[fossil finch]

🤨

No???

I mean maybe but

Is the damage scaling of half the bar actually that important

[small timber]

double the damage iirc

from half bar to full bar

[fossil finch]

I still don't think it'd be the right change for them anyways

Because then that function would just be useless late game?

[small timber]

tldr it is a nerf that will never get enough votes as a suggestion because people like their overpowered stuff, and can only hope tester see it and nerf it

another adrenaline nerf moment

[fossil finch]

Just fully rework it at that point rather than just making it awful

[small timber]

rogue rework will be coming soon™️ in year 2050 so

it is either coin line stay overpowered until then or nerf it in some way now

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

ah yes

the thing that will implode when wind touches it

[novel belfry]

Yeah, I think that change is very much needed

[small timber]

I keep thinking 1.4 already changed it but apparently not everytime

[drowsy plank]

yeah i

never remember running into this issue in calamity but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty trellis]

Yeah. Same fate as both of our ideas for adren

[cobalt pewter]

coin of deceit line? storm is very, very well aware of it already

[small timber]

it is funny how half the community is hardcore (aka want calamity to be as hard as possible) and never vote on any player buff suggestions

the other half is player who just want the game to be easy so never vote on any player nerf suggestion

so the only suggestion that go through are QoLs

[cobalt pewter]

that is unfortunately the state of suggestions

[drowsy plank]

absolute state of suggs

[hollow shell]

I thought 1.4 already did something for larvae?

[frosty trellis]

Nope

Still annoying

[small timber]

@velvet lynx leviathan and aquatic scourge can be challenged pre-hardmode for the fact that they have natural spawn condition

golem on the other hand can only be summoned manually, in an area accessible later into the game

you need stronger reasoning than just "calamity have non-linear progression therefore everything need to be that way"

[frosty trellis]

Also golem can be fought in hm, no?

[velvet lynx]

scourge can also be spawned manually

seafood can be crafted

so yeah

[frosty trellis]

Since the temple key is craftable at the start of hm

[small timber]

it can be fought at the start of hm, but not prehardmode

[frosty trellis]

I don't see why golem should be phm

[small timber]

also I remember temple key needing HM anvil so it is post-mech too

[velvet lynx]

for the same reason acuatic scourge can, its a challenge of high risk high reward

[frosty trellis]

Since exploits like the platform thing aren't taken into account with progression skips

[frosty trellis]

AS is significantly easier and can spawn naturally at any point

Same with Leviathan and Anahits

[velvet lynx]

leviathan and golem are around the same ballpark

just 1 boss away

[cobalt pewter]

no

just a bit higher

they're exactly the same as plant

[frosty trellis]

Leviathan and Aureas are pre golem bosses

Leviathan and Anahita are a joke compared to the shit storm that is rev+ golem

[fossil finch]

also golem is a much greater powerlevel in general

[distant gyro]

golem is more significant

[fossil finch]

Also non linearity sucks we get tryhard suggs like these that suck so much

[distant gyro]

kill AS or Lev you get their drops and... their drops but nested

[fossil finch]

This is slippery slope but literally

[velvet lynx]

why so, its optional, you arent obliged to fight him

[distant gyro]

kill golem and provided skelly is dead you can probably do cultist

[fossil finch]

Today it's the golem.,.,
Tomorrow its the calamitas
Next year its the xeroc

[frosty trellis]

There no reason for golem to be phm with no spawning conditions or lore behind it

[distant gyro]

and then moon lord before wof

[frosty trellis]

AS and Anahita in phm makes sense

[fossil finch]

Those players that want a challenge do not exist they are not real

[frosty trellis]

And yeah that also makes no sense since you can only get the Eidolon tablet for the cultists in hm as well

[fossil finch]

Also "its optional" its not a valid reason actually convince me this is a good addition to the game

[frosty trellis]

And golem is the precursor to the cultists

[velvet lynx]

what makes this a bad suggestion other than "we dont want to allow you to play the game the way you want since wanting a higher challenge is not a valid reason"

[fossil finch]

in general this is like a big jump it's like that one sugg about abyss minibosses dropping things post calclone

It's just comically big very relevant jump

[frosty trellis]

And conflicts with other items in the game in this instance

Like the aforementioned Eidolon Tablet

[fossil finch]

Devs are infact not obligued to make you able to play the game exactly as you want it to

[frosty trellis]

^

They can't make you do shit

Or let you do everything

It's not the point

[fossil finch]

Like one thing is accesibility, extra challenge optional things for players, configuration of certain features

Another is throwing the entire game's progression away

[small timber]

the argument of the suggestion is literally "make supreme calamitas fightable pre-boss, it is optional no one is obligated why not"

[frosty trellis]

Pretty much

[vernal heron]

Ploppers

[fossil finch]

like duke fishron is, in vanilla, accesible the entirety of hardmode and he is infact and optional challenge with good loot

[velvet lynx]

funny you say that since by just killing acuatic scourge, he drops a weapon that makes a wayyyy higher hm tier boss a joke, furthermore breaking the progression further

[frosty trellis]

Seas Searing is also a 10% drop

[velvet lynx]

example astrum deus

[vernal heron]

Just checked up on my sugg from about a week ago

Who'd have thought that it got as popular as it did?
Neat-

[frosty trellis]

Dues can be fought at the start of hardmode

[fossil finch]

But doing him does not make hm'a progression fall apart, doing fish is also not something that will allow you to fight moon lord pre wof

[small timber]

which is exactly why there is no need for more bosses fightable at randomly earlier progression than it need to be

[frosty trellis]

But you need to defeat both the cultists and golem to mine astral ore and make the bars

[fossil finch]

Funny you say that because fundamentally i also disagree with this

[small timber]

you already have 2, there is no need for a 3rd

[fossil finch]

There is no need for non linearity period

or at least, no need for absurd tier skipping one

[small timber]

no one will fight Adult Eidolon Wyrm start of HM just because RoD is available

[vernal heron]

Anyway long time no see y'all

Boutta go to sleep so just wanted to say hi and gnight

[frosty trellis]

Especially since coldheart is gone

[small timber]

the nonlinear progression thing is so that you can fight bosses without being forced to basically kill them on a checklist order, making them fightable at an entire different tier of progression of the game is different

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

saying latter because non linearity, and, more importantly, optionality, is fine

[frosty trellis]

And not like, excessive progression skips

[fossil finch]

Fighting boc before eoc isn't skipping 9 tiers it's that you don't have to do eoc

[frosty trellis]

Stuff that makes sense from a lore perspective or can be reasonably justified

[fossil finch]

I think it's mainly that

It's not about non linearity is that bosses can perfectly be optional

[small timber]

aquatic scourge and levana get that privilege only because they are initially passive and have natural spawn condition, so it is still "optional" even if you encounter them

for golem you have to summon it manually

[fossil finch]

most of phmode bosses are optional but skipping them doesn't let you destroy half the game

[frosty trellis]

And you need to use an exploit to get there until post 1 mech

That's the other thing

[fossil finch]

It's not progression being non linear as it's bosses being optional

[frosty trellis]

That just encourages exploit abuse

Which isn't fun

[fossil finch]

Also the progression still is linear

there still is something objectively better

Terraria is not an openworld

You can't choose to go to x dungeon first and then still have a fair challenge at z