suggestions-discussion

[small timber]

for draedon heart it is fine since the bar dont deplete on hit, for non-draedon heart situation you need to maintain 30 seconds of nohit still, and the reward can't be just a heal

[cobalt pewter]

adrenaline could be more interesting if it's a significant time deceleration

but I guess such thing will be a nightmare to code in Terraria

[small timber]

depends on the build, if the build is not super defensively/recovery focus you will be surprised how little you recover from the natural regen in 30 seconds

especially that many builds are

[frosty trellis]

I don't really do offensive builds unless I'm summoner

[frosty trellis]

LMAO

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QygU2jgQnwA&t=1262s but ya one example is this video, towards the end of the fight (SP7) you can see how little I recovered from 30 seconds, I needed adrenaline to tank the hit for me

and that is with an almost full tank/regen build

[cedar moth]

you lied

i killed eoc

nothing ahppened

[frosty trellis]

I didn't realize the majority of players go all out DPS

[cedar moth]

when i went to the SS

[cobalt pewter]

got a thought of this since adrenaline in real life is supposed to sharpen your reactions, and I guess a way to do it is to make everything else slower in comparison

[cobalt pewter]

average terraria players (they ooga booga when seeing numbers)

[small timber]

many of them are due to the misconception of hearing "defense is useless in calamity"

[frosty trellis]

Which is anything but true

[small timber]

which is spoken by people who never use defense properly

[cobalt pewter]

movement builds is king, and I haven't done any defense build since I started playing cal again

[novel belfry]

to be quite frank, that is also perceived as the viewpoint of the caldevs, even though that's completely wrong

[small timber]

the only time I feel defense is bad is malice master ftw on yharon, and that is malice master ftw on yharon

[frosty trellis]

Like, endgame, Aegis/wings/Cotbg are musts for me, then rampart and sponge are also nice things to have, rampart over sponge but that's personal preference. Then damage from there depending

Or movement

Or ultility

[small timber]

even on master death defense is extremely good, it is only when ftw damage modifier comes in that you basically still have to nohit most of the fight

[cobalt pewter]

defense definitely falls off on difficulties where the damage balloons to unreasonable values

[frosty trellis]

Yeah but it's ftw

No shit

[cobalt pewter]

which is where movespeed builds come in

[small timber]

expert death defense is actually like goated (I feel), master death defense is definitely still very good

[novel belfry]

aero stone my beloved

[small timber]

so as long as you just dont play ftw defense is always good

[cobalt pewter]

aero stone is insane

just started playing cal again and it feels so good

not sure if it's better than Frog Leg even

[novel belfry]

im super annoyed that the other stone accessories still don't have a final combination accessory

aero stone is basically a must have for me, it's that good

[amber turret]

Armagedon backs pls

[novel belfry]

wait, they're stones

magical stones

[amber turret]

Hehehe

[novel belfry]

does that mean the combination accessory will be a fucking infinity gauntlet

cause that'd be outdated humor but still

[ruby plover]

once you get wings, it'd 100% be better cos of the flight time boost

[cobalt pewter]

me with fledgling wings :clueless

[ruby plover]

mm forgot those wings even existed

[small timber]

just install nycro nohit efficiency

and boom, free armageddon mod

[grim tusk]

had you done AR before or did boss checklist bug the fuck out and made the kill not count?

[cobalt pewter]

yeah it's practically preboss since it's from skyware chests

[cedar moth]

ive done it before but i accidently deleted all the scales

[grim tusk]

Yep thats why

[small timber]

I think it will be fair for sulphur sea crate/abyss crate to have sulphuric scale after EoC is defeated tbh

[cedar moth]

so i just have to afk waiting for acid rain. nice 😃

[small timber]

and brimstone crate to have blood orb

[ruby plover]

oh right, storm, since you are here
is Metal Monstrocity a known pre-hm shredder

with a mixed pt build, i got a 40 sec kill on SG

(stealth)

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

jesse what the fuck

[grim tusk]

Yep, the forced AR is only the first one after EoC, if you did it already, killing EoC wont trigger it again

[grim tusk]

Yes

[cedar moth]

danm

[small timber]

@twilit pike too specific of an idea

[twilit pike]

how?

[cobalt pewter]

clueless

(I didn't remember metal monstrosity?

[twilit pike]

how is it to specific?

[ruby plover]

goofy uh spiky ball + spikes

[cobalt pewter]

tracking disk is very good on sg tho, but that's well known already

[twilit pike]

they are good ideas tho

[small timber]

function-wise it is

[ruby plover]

me neither lmao, last i used it was early rust and dust, and it was. underwhelming

[twilit pike]

adding a gun turret is smth new that nobody has dont yet

[ruby plover]

so i gave it a go and it went above and beyond expectations

[cobalt pewter]

oh huh

[twilit pike]

i could ponder about the nuke tho

[cobalt pewter]

since I haven't beaten wof might as well try it again

and enchanted axe because GOD that's a thing

[ruby plover]

it sticks shards in enemies that constantly damage them

[small timber]

these type of suggestion used to be allowed back then, but it result in 90% of suggestions being people suggesting their idea to add specific items, and 90% of them end up going unimplemented (because you need sprite, coder, sound effect, balancing...)

[cobalt pewter]

I should get the rogue weapons list

[ruby plover]

and uh. WOW the shards are powerful

[grim tusk]

Metal monstrosity in a nutshell: fucks SG, gets fucked by WoF

[small timber]

so these type of specific item suggestion are no longer allowed

[cobalt pewter]

interesting

[twilit pike]

ok

[grim tusk]

Also the Fab’s soup sugg is basically everclear

[small timber]

make it 50% damage and instant alcohol poisoning instead

:troll:

[ruby plover]

i believe fab soup is called red potion

[small timber]

oh right speaking of red potion

I know this is extremely niche, but since nohit lounge is not using this anyway I feel maybe worth to post it here

ok found it

note that this is achievable in normal gameplay, you just have to turn off the debuff duration nullify config (basically 3x duration debuff), then get hit by corruptor and pixie continuously, then get hit by ice golem once

then boom

@hot heart suggestion to revert a changes is a don't, and I think they added other way to get blood stone?

ya ravager now

[grim tusk]

Fun fact that config does not work atm and you get x2 debuff duration anyways

Known bug

[small timber]

ye I do notice it is not giving 3x, but ya it still work

funny laudanum moment

[hot heart]

oh recipe browser doesnt show it drops from ravager. my bad lol

[grim tusk]

Most people got bloodstone from zerging crags or saving bags from Rav

[small timber]

recipe browser cant keep track of drops that have condition I think, eg: in this case ravager only start dropping bloodstone after providence is defeated

[half sage]

ravager already dropped them iirc, they just doubled the amount he drops since he's the only boss that drops em now

[small timber]

oh sorry the sentence was meant to be "main source of farming bloodstone is ravager now", instead of also calclone and brimstone elemental, I didn't type it wholely

@open meadow summoner have difficulty specifically for DoG I think, since you need to be close range to it

meanwhile summoner is just unbalanced as a whole for post-DoG, which is its own problem

[hollow shell]

(Ravager was always a source of Bloodstone..)

[open meadow]

I see. In that case perhaps just the summoner class needs a nerf?

[small timber]

yes, let me find the gif

of what summoner looks like as a class post-DoG

[open meadow]

This is my first time playing solo summoner in calamity so I'm not sure

[small timber]

https://imgur.com/gallery/y855Eo3

turns out having to balance like 200%+ damage boost and custom minion slot that can varied significantly depend on how many minion slot accessory the player choose to equip, now with whips and sentries on top of that, is incredibly hard to balance

(and some weapon are bugged with scaling, but that aside)

[open meadow]

I do have the unofficial whips mod but honestly I just don't even use them at this point since my minions do all the work anyways

[small timber]

that will affect significantly

ideally this type of boss hp nerf/buff suggestion need to have no external mod affecting combat other than calamity itself, and post the boss kill time, dps etc

[open meadow]

Like I said I don't even use them

[small timber]

(though I do agree yharon probably need to be tankier, scal is made squishy to account for bullet hells)

[open meadow]

Yeah

Which sucks since the multiple music tracks slap

and I couldn't even hear all of them

I want to clarify too that while yes I have the whips mod, all I really do it just hold it so my minions don't get the damage nerf

none of the whips have projectiles so I'm usually much better off running the fuck away out of range of the boss

[small timber]

ideally you should also post boss kill time and dps, but ya it is just a summoner problem'

since post-DoG summoner get way too good, while specifically for DoG since summons only attack DoG's head and tail, you have to play close range to one of the two to deal any damage at all

[open meadow]

I actually had the Polterghast minions and they actually chased him pretty well

It's the lasers that kept killing me, not the DoG himself

as in I just had to survive for longer, not get in close range

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ethereal_Subjugator

these little bastards

[small timber]

you have to play incredibly close for this summon to work

ok I will just, fight DoG with it to get it over with
expert rev (not master rev) and only this summon right>

[open meadow]

Expert, Rev, Summoner

[small timber]

ok, sec

[open meadow]

Bloodflare armor

any summon accessory pre-DoG, most of them Menacing or Warding

uhh

Absorber, Elysian Aegis, Blood Pact

[small timber]

oh god blood pact

no wonder you die to DoG a lot

[open meadow]

;w;

[small timber]

blood pact is legit extremely bad now

[open meadow]

Is it?

[small timber]

because they nerfed max hp scaling, meaning blood pact only give 600 HP (maximum) instead of multiply your max HP by 2x, with cadence, max hp from accessories and armor taken into account

so it go from providing you potentially 1k+ HP to 600 (max)

[open meadow]

ooooooooooooohhh

fuck

that sucks

I didn't know they nerfed it

[hollow shell]

"DoG basically is the final boss here, since once you beat him the rest of the game is way too easy."

Damn did I just warp back in time
to 2017

The days of Double DoG and world-tour SCal

[open meadow]

I think I started playing Calamity around 2018 so maybe I'm biased?

[cobalt pewter]

god.

[hollow shell]

I was gonna say "I think DoG is indeed overtuned right now"

But then I realized, I have no idea if that's actually true in the present moment

[cobalt pewter]

I do think too much content is locked behind him straight up that it's basically

hm 2.0 with him

[hollow shell]

How are Exo Mechs, you didn't mention them

[open meadow]

I haven't done them yet

I wanted to try SCal since I haven't found the labs yet

[hollow shell]

I see

[open meadow]

just to see where I was at power level wise

I fully didn't expect to first try her

[cobalt pewter]

yharon has a neat array of content, scal and exo mechs kinda too, then you have dog which is half of hardmode's content gated behind a single boss

[small timber]

how many minion slot accessory did you equipped? that is the important one

I have eldritch soul artifact and statis curse right now, debating whether to equip 1 more

[open meadow]

I believe I had 11 slots... either that or 9, I don't quite remember

[small timber]

ok then it is correct, I will just use another defensive

[open meadow]

I'd like to mention too that in a previous Mage playthrough I had similar opinions, though admitedly DoG was a lot easier. I remember though Exo mechs kicked my ass, though that could be because it was my first time fighting them. (I did SCal after Exo Mechs, and absolutely demolished her thanks to the Draedon drops, so I can't say for certain. Was fully expecting her prior power level so I went all out on her)

[frosty trellis]

Exos first as mage is kinda wild

Mage does have it pretty easy on DoG with Phantasmal Fury and Vitriolic Viper though so makes sense there

[hollow shell]

(yeah the whole Funny is that defeating Exos doesn't have much benefit to mage and summoner, so you do SCal first as those classes)

[small timber]

ok I accidently binded by rage to healing button, need to redo

also I just figure out partially the reason why the summon might not be the best on DoG, it can aim at the cosmic guardian instead of DoG

[open meadow]

I have one of those fancy mouses that has the two thumb buttons, and I have them binded to Rage and Adrenaline respectively

[hollow shell]

heh

[frosty trellis]

Vivid Clarity is still a good mage weapon, but yeah, Rancor >>>>>>> Clarity always

Summoner I could not ever see anyone doing Thanatos without Metastasis

[hollow shell]

(I have the same kind of mouse and I bound one to VeinMiner Whitelist and the other is to-be-bound for Normality Relocator)

And yeah

[frosty trellis]

Dang

I just have rage bound to v, adren to c, veinminer to f and healing is still h bc I'm lazy. Armor set bonus at z.
Don't use normality relocator kek

Since without RoD in my hotbar I forget it exists

And RoD has shorter cooldown

[cobalt pewter]

huh I only use those side buttons for

healing and inventory

I just bound both rage and adren to R

[frosty trellis]

R is my mount key

[cobalt pewter]

now that I think about it I should've rebound rage and adren to middle click

[frosty trellis]

I like having rage and Adren as separate keys since I don't always want to double ripper

[open meadow]

same

[frosty trellis]

But yeah sketch, doing Exos first as mage is baffling lmao

[open meadow]

I was expecting pre 2.0 SCal ;-;

[frosty trellis]

SCal got changed...?

[open meadow]

As in she got stupidly nerfed

[frosty trellis]

She did?

[open meadow]

once she lost her shell she became, as they put it, "squishy"

[frosty trellis]

I don't remember seeing any difference between 1.5.1.6 and 2.0.0.1 SCal ngl

Unless you're talking about 1.4 SCal, then idk since I didn't play back then

[open meadow]

I think that's what it is actually, doing some research

[frosty trellis]

But yeah. For future reference:
You do SCal first as mage and Summoner always
You do Exos first as ranger or rogue always
Melee do w/e tf you want bc Violence is ridiculous against exos and Exoblade/Spine Of Thanatos is great against SCal

[open meadow]

I didn't play for a few years since I wanted to wait until Exo Mechs were released

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw6xfXqwSmQ ok done, I use youtube instead because discord always load mp4 super slowly for me for some reason

abit rusty and sorry for using nohit arena since I havent done a playthrough yet post 1.4 port, but I used balanced gear and potions

(also damn soaring insignia nerfs do make it feels abit bad, since I dont really want to use it now even though it is still very good)

[open meadow]

Yeah, that seemed about what my DPS was, give or take

Though of course if I had that kind of arena then I would first try him every time

I was using a giant skybridge made out of asphalt

relying on the planetoids to refresh my wings

[open meadow]

Really appreciate you doing this for me

[small timber]

4 minute is about average for DoG on that gear I think, if not very good

since for testing generally the kill time for bosses is longer than normal playthrough, as there are many additional conditions, like you cannot use alcohol, gear must be balanced (no too offensive/defensive), cannot use adrenaline and rage etc

[small timber]

I think the main problem was you used blood pact tbh

[open meadow]

You might be right

Though still, 4 minutes is a pretty long time for a boss fight, all things considered

imo it should be around 2 minutes unless it's a major boss like SCal or Moon Lord

[small timber]

I dont know the detail, but weapon testing time (on tester side) is way longer than normal playthrough

for reference, exo mechs kill time is supposed to be like, 6 or 7 minutes?

and scal also 5-6 minutes

the main difference is the gear you are allowed to use for testing, and of course adrenaline and rage, both of which are disallowed for testing purpose

[open meadow]

I'm currently gathering the schematics to attempt the exo mechs and will update once I've fought them

[small timber]

I will reattempt it on a more normal arena (DoG), I need to get off that rust anyway

played too much of ato

[frosty trellis]

4 minutes I believe is the testing kill time for DoG unless I'm mistaken

[open meadow]

I just checked the time so I'm going to attempt to fight the exo mechs once and then go to bed

[drowsy plank]

@wintry gale what the fuck does this even mean lmfao

[half sage]

I assume they mean rocket that works like the scarab bomb

but SIS+no reasoning+L+ratio

[drowsy plank]

true

[wintry gale]

ye

[errant cloud]

can i dip into this chat for a suggestion i was gonna make and talked about yesterday

tl;dr: hardmode ore planetoids that specifically spawn after wof is defeated (with a 50% spawnrate of the original planetoids)

i had asked someone in cal2.0 iirc, they disliked it

[crude geode]

Isn’t space like. already cluttered

[half sage]

would be pretty meh imo, if you spawn em all in at once you completely bypass the hardmode ore rework, which is the intended cal experience and will be what they balance around going forward, and if you spawn them in in line with when they spawn in as part of the rework, then why? the reworked ore generation already spawns a massive amount of ore, more than vanilla does, you don't need to have even more in the planetoids

[drowsy plank]

luminite planetoids exist

it just makes more clutter

and i dont really think it'd be viable

also the whole point is. you actually explore the underground in hardmode

[errant cloud]

1. space is indeed already cluttered with the current planetoid spawn style so it would be a potential issue that would need to be worked around (cursed being)
2. would spawning them in increments after each mech boss being defeated be a better alternative? (seth)

[drowsy plank]

get flagged lol, you need to provide reasoning as to why anyone should care about this, and also why something like this is necessary

[drowsy plank]

no, this is just a bad idea

[open meadow]

Okay, I didn't first try them but I got really close

Was much more difficult than the previous bosses, and I like that

[half sage]

nah, like I said, mechs already spawn a shitload, this would just be unnecessary

[errant cloud]

does mech defeat spawn a different amount than with vanilla altars

i hadn't checked

[half sage]

yea

[errant cloud]

okok

[half sage]

cal's ore generation spawns way more than vanilla does

[drowsy plank]

more than altars actually, more than like several altars

[half sage]

also fishing still exists

[drowsy plank]

true!

[open meadow]

@small timber @hollow shell So yeah. Exo Mechs get a pass for me, they are pretty good for my build. Still died a little fast, but their damage and projectile patterns made up for it.

[wintry gale]

ye ik
i will write a real reason now

[errant cloud]

mostly asking for clarification because im open to criticism for such things but its worth it to sort of remember the idea of equality in implementing new things. here that takes form in the sense that pre-hm, the spirit of the game is technically to explore too

but the og planetoids have pre-hm ores and gems littered everywhere

so im not sure where the sense of stability is using that as a means to reject hm ore planetoids

[small timber]

that is actually because many summons are not that good for exo mechs

[drowsy plank]

1. space is cluttered
2. we have alternate ways to get hardmode ores already
3. dont we have enough ways to avoid the underground as it. like just go underground and mine.

[crude geode]

Gamers when they have to actually go underground when it’s 2/3rds of the world >:(

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[drowsy plank]

this is why we need underground world evil overhauls 🙏

[errant cloud]

fwiw

i would not say no to an underground corruption/crimson overhaul

it'd just take a lot of work

[crude geode]

It is indeed difficult to put in a suggestion

without just. violating the don’t

[errant cloud]

...no. i mean actually implementing a change to vanilla worldgen is harder than adding in new worldgen

but uh

the entire reason og planetoids were added (afaik, before the draedon update) were to fast-forward earlygame progression

[drowsy plank]

yeah cause pre-hm is slow

[errant cloud]

is hardmode any more faster when you consider the bosses cal adds? dunno

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[small timber]

pre-HM was slow, with the series of changes it is actually fast now

[errant cloud]

ok

[small timber]

though I think I misunderstood, was it about ore planetoid being bad or ore planetoid good?

[errant cloud]

ore planetoid being bad, specifically, a type that i wanted to be added (i'd have put it into suggestions if more people said yes)

which was for hardmode ores

initially i suggested post wof then someone pointed out the mech changes, so the alternative i suggested was to incrementally spawn the hm ore planetoids upon each mech defeat

but people still didnt like it

you joined kinda late lol

[small timber]

ye, was testing dog

hmm for that one I think kinda debatable, there are some factors that differentiate it from pre-HM ores

1. you basically have unminable planetoid for pre-HM (or in other case, you get to hellstone and be able to mine it and get hardmode ore at pre-HM)
2. if you make it spawn when hardmode start, it will conflict with the existing planetoid in the sky, meaning they can not spawn/spawn in little amount
3. HM picks are way faster, and you have wings and mining gear ready, your mining speed is very fast especially with calamity pick speed changes
4. the new ore spawn from calamity's reworked ore progression system is actually very generous, you can get large amount of HM ores easily

and for other ores like scoria, perennial you can always farm ore slime, the only one I recall having a hard time getting sufficient amount is actually chlorophyte ore

[errant cloud]

theres some added things i also put in

[small timber]

meanwhile pre-HM ores you are starting with copper pickaxe, that is the tldr of it

[errant cloud]

• hm ore planetoids would be at 50% spawnrate of og ones
• for #1, that would be mitigated if you instead chose to spawn them in increments after each mech boss defeat, like i had said before

these are some bits i left behind

also #2 would be prevented if you choose per mech

as well

[drowsy plank]

id rather get actual space content

[small timber]

2 is still a problem I feel unless the player mine out the planetoids in the sky

[drowsy plank]

rather than turning it into more "avoid normal ways of getting items"

[small timber]

because that is a problem with luminite planetoid actually, that they refuse to spawn very often

[frosty trellis]

Chlorophyte I get more than enough of getting 50 life fruits for all the life fruit crafts for my vanity and anything I need with the bars so idk how you managed that

[errant cloud]

well alternatively an interesting choice would be to convert pre-hm ores in og planetoids to hm ores as each mech is defeated

it would i guess encourage the player to leave some og planetoids untouched

[small timber]

I think mainly was because the various ores that spawn conflict with chlorophyte's spreading ground

(and I tend to progress pre-Plantera very fast since the same weapon are viable for all mech alts and mech bosses)

and the HM ore armor upgrades while are fine, you dont really have to do them most of the time

[errant cloud]

likewise:

iron/lead -> cobalt/palladium
silver/tungsten -> orichalcum/mythril
gold/platinum -> adamantite/titanium
demonite/crimtane -> 33% chance of conversion, converted into any of the three (a little bit weird but i dont expect the planetoids to have any evil ores)

[drowsy plank]

why do we even NEED this

[frosty trellis]

I like upgrading my armor to orichalcum then go straight for Daedalus after 3rd mech usually. I have nightmares about twins still so I overprepare for them when I find them as final mech

[errant cloud]

its not so much "do we need this", it's "is there a useful way to utilize this?"

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoWiVYJHRQI oh right, and another one with a more normal arena, and yes arena do matter since I can't stay close to DoG much

[open meadow]

Honestly I considered a giant platform bridge with frozen slime blocks at the bottom to pair with the bobbit hook. I might make more layered arenas in the future.. only reason I didn't is because I intend for my skybridge to span across the entire world (Large)

[cold cosmos]

Ok as stupid as it is i really want fabsols death soup to be in the game

[frosty dagger]

I hate to break it to you but that's incorrect

That's not a stupid idea it's brilliant

That being said I'm way too lazy to type out the suggestion

[silver badger]

buff light god's brilliance

[ruby plover]

if you can provide kill times in comparison to other on-tier mage weapons against yharon, that would help methinks

[cobalt heath]

could i sugg draedon furniture

i need those

cause rn there is no draedon tables chairs etc

so i have to use wood chairs and tables

[eternal escarp]

exo furniture..?

[cobalt heath]

ye

i am doing a lab style build atm

[crude geode]

Planned iirc

[cobalt heath]

and it clearly bleecks the eye that there are wooden chairs and tables

[cobalt heath]

i hope so

[lofty hedge]

Already a thing.

You can craft exo furniture with exo plating.

[cobalt heath]

but there are no tables or chairs but prolly planned already

[lofty hedge]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Exo_Plating

[cobalt heath]

for early game

[lofty hedge]

Oh.

[cobalt heath]

like that is omega late

[lofty hedge]

So, you mean Arsenal themed furniture?

Similar to the stuff in the labs?

[cobalt heath]

Yeah

[lofty hedge]

I see.

[cobalt heath]

thats what i meant

[lofty hedge]

Sorry for misunderstanding.

[cobalt heath]

yeah i wasnt clear

[lofty hedge]

You’re all good.

I’m surprised basic lab furniture isn’t a thing.

[crude geode]

Might be something in calval but unsure

[cobalt heath]

not a thing

using it

no furniture to be found

[crude geode]

Wack

[cobalt heath]

yeah like

it is semi weird that it isnt already a thing

but ig there are more impotant stuff

[keen zodiac]

calamity players basic reading comprehension challenge (99% fail)

[crude geode]

discord users check the pins challenge

[cobalt heath]

and dog is way more of an endurance fight by desing than scal

scal is based around her high damage

and bullet hells

[small timber]

and 4 min no adrenaline/rage on tester gear, on a weapon that I think is not even the best for DoG, it is definitely fine

[safe oasis]

@stable sable https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2634682993

pretty sure this does exactly what you're suggesting

[stable sable]

Yeah it is, thanks

[cobalt heath]

fuck i forgot the picture

But here

[keen drum]

dog feels like the wof of lategame if that makes sense

wish gear was a bit more spread out though

[ashen warren]

@cobalt heath download calamitys vanities for that

here you go https://discord.gg/emennfAG

Calamity's Vanities does furniture and stuff

[swift wharf]

oh shoot it has furniture for labs?

[fossil finch]

it does not

unless they added some of those i saw recently

[small timber]

@amber turret install nycro nohit efficiency mod

[ashen warren]

release the hounds

[small timber]

get doubled pinged for armageddon suggestion

[crude geode]

This dude brought this up already here in discussions, got like no response to his SUPER hilarious joke, and then decided to put it in posting

[amber turret]

😎

[distant gyro]

also being a part of a crafting tree does not make an item good

[quaint sorrel]

I subjectively consider that it is at a disadvantage compared to its peers and therefore I state it. Therefore, if its damage is considered correct, I am still dissatisfied and in order not to forget it, I suggest unifying it to a subsequent recipe, it is the final weapon of terraria and it hurts me to see it not stand out

[small timber]

making it a part of recipe of some mega recipe will make it not stand out even more

[fossil finch]

i am going back in time to kill zenith

[safe oasis]

how about in order to not forget it you use the weapon

[quaint sorrel]

I don't like timeless recipes that mess with progression. Even so if it's to forge Yharim's turbo mega ultraverse destroyer it would be a worthy recipe to be a part of, anyway

[fossil finch]

tf you mean timeless recipes that mess with progression

[stuck cave]

i'm p sure you can manually reduce max particles in mod configs

[fossil finch]

anyways zenith stands out by itself because it's haha funny zenith
I really don't think it should be buffed at all because its already good and it going inti a recipe would make people mad exactly because it's zenith

Those aren't particles i think they're dust

So i don't think they work the same

[stuck cave]

god why are dust and particles separate

relogic whyy

[fossil finch]

Because particles is calamity's own system lmao

Used for wildly different things

[drowsy plank]

combine zenith and nadir and you get "mid". it's garbage

[fossil finch]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

there you go you got your zenith upgrade

[distant gyro]

combine them and you get nothing

literally nothing

instantly lose both weapons for air

[fossil finch]

Zenith sucks because it's not called journey's end

[distant gyro]

trueing

[drowsy plank]

based

[quaint sorrel]

no, the configuration does nothing. Of course they are from the mod, but they are not affected because they may be under another denomination.

[stuck cave]

yes if you would look like a few messages below that you wouldn't have to ping me bc u would see i got corrected

man why do people never do that in this server lmao i don't wanna be pinged all the time only to be reminded i was wrong abt something

[quaint sorrel]

o fine

[open meadow]

@stable sable I believe there's a mod called "Better Multiplayer" which does exactly that. If a player dies in multiplayer during a boss, they get turned into a ghost, and can only spectate until the boss or the remaining players are dead

[neat linden]

~~At least format the suggs correctly ~~

[short walrus]

They have been pinged three times already

[open meadow]

I didn't see, sorry

[drowsy plank]

does make you wonder why it got into voting

[crisp cobalt]

Please make these things easier to open

[drowsy plank]

@amber turret what??

[golden tulip]

yooo optifine na calamity 1.4

[drowsy plank]

you could make a suggestion to add a fast method of opening them

[crisp cobalt]

maybe hold shift and right click will open like 10 or 25 of them at a time?

[amber turret]

Or hold the click to open insanely fast

[drowsy plank]

@amber turret just get nycro's no hit im pretty sure it lets you disable particles and other lag reduction options. dont quote me on that tho

also your suggestion isnt properly formatted anyway

[cobalt pewter]

as someone whose laptop was considered potato for terraria, when tmod 1.4 dropped it magically improved the game's performance

so either you haven't played cal in 1.4 tmod or you play on a 512mb pc

[amber turret]

Sadly :(

[small timber]

@amber turret meme suggestion is disallowed, read the pinned document

@clear moss need proper formatting for the suggestion in order for the bot to process the message

Title
(Space + Enter)
Body/reasoning of the suggestion

[amber turret]

Ooo sorry

[swift wharf]

I wonder if you possible for the bot to kill shitty suggestions

Like if they have less than 5 lines they get instantly deleted

[small timber]

@amber turret

"it'd be funny" suggestion turns out is also disallowed

[swift wharf]

this is truly a suggestion hell
did some youtuber make a video or smth

[small timber]

the suggestion itself should have much more reasoning into why it should be introduce, if the entire reasoning of the suggestion is just "it will be cool", "it will be funny" it is invalid

[amber turret]

Bruuuh

Sorry i deleted it

[small timber]

(all of these are included in the pinned "Suggestion Don't" document for your information)

[swift wharf]

I should be given message perms it would be so awesome

[keen drum]

ive seen good suggs with less than 5 lines

[swift wharf]

not my problem

type with more than 5

[keen drum]

real

[swift wharf]

exactly

sounds like a bug

lol

[fossil finch]

It would be so cool

[swift wharf]

not even message perms just reaction perms 😇

[small timber]

yeah looks fine

[fossil finch]

Anyways that's called a bug

You can't suggest bugfixes

[swift wharf]

#bugs-read-pins

[small timber]

that is confirmed a bug? or an oversight

[swift wharf]

same thing

[fossil finch]

Bestiary in general is bugged

[swift wharf]

step two

[frosty trellis]

Wakes up
Basically every suggestion is formatted wrong or rule breaking

[small timber]

goes back to sleep

[fossil finch]

Bingo of 8 we have

[grim tusk]

@clear moss #bugs-read-pins

[frosty trellis]

Unfortunately it's 9am here so not something I can do

[fossil finch]

ok we have 9 now

evergrowing bingo

[small timber]

@amber turret sorry for pinging again, so I will like, keep this short

why do we need more class accessory? most classes have enough accessory to function, and there is really no need for more accessories especially when you have many good neutral ones

if the suggestion is purely for mage, then I think a previous suggestion to add more mage accessory is already passed

[amber turret]

Yea but are really generally

I like how i see the same accesories in all the classes 938438 times

[amber turret]

Oh nice

[stuck cave]

can u at least just format ur suggestions correctly. no one should be sorry for pinging u abt ur suggestions when you keep essentially spamming the channel without even following suggestion guidelines

[amber turret]

Sorry i dont learned in the votting channel

[small timber]

especially for HM preHM class accessory kinda mostly dont exist, classes have a lot of accessory, even for mages you have like chaos stone, sigil of calamitas, mana flower upgrades...

[cobalt pewter]

I think ESA is kinda doo doo tho

[small timber]

for post-ML I dont think most class have a lot of accessories, at least the one where you will actively use, maybe except rogue but it is rogue

[crude geode]

mana flower (cringe)

[amber turret]

Yea that in mid game but end game

:(

[cobalt pewter]

mana flower (derogatory)

[amber turret]

Cries mana

[small timber]

for end game you have this suggestion already ^

so basically ya, it should already be covered

[amber turret]

Ty

I go to delete it

[crude geode]

ESA my despised stat stick

[small timber]

ESA is a really good summoner accessory against Devourer of God

it is weird they released a duo class accessory though, for rogue and summoner

[amber turret]

The game has an exhumed melee and ranged weapon?

[crude geode]

“Duo class accessory”
lol

Lmao

[small timber]

exhumed are purposefully/intentionally keep to only mage and summoner weapons only (for now)

[amber turret]

For now?

[crude geode]

It isn’t, it’s a unique stat stick for every class, it’s just actually useful on summoner and rogue

[small timber]

I think the devs mentioned at some point that in the future they may want exhumed to be also on melee, ranger and rogue weapon etc, but for now it is mage and summoner only, and it is done on purpose

and scal herself do drop melee, ranger and rogue weapon so it is not exactly a case where she dont unlock any

[cobalt pewter]

if they want to make ESA full on rogue summoner, I guess go ahead?

like

it's so dtat sticky

fnkffkfkfk

I can't type

[crude geode]

I hate stat sticks

Just make it a mhage accessory cuz that just fits with LC

[keen drum]

esa is cool but after a certain point the summons dont do enough damage to really justify using it imo

i was using esa with the nucleogenesis for like 9 minion slots and it wasnt doing much since i could only use the summon full damage while waiting for stealth recharge

[small timber]

ok I dont want to be that guy, but...

[amber turret]

Xd

[small timber]

ok at least it is not specific item suggestion

but ya, tldr the devs dont really want class proficiency to be a big thing

[amber turret]

Yes sadly

[small timber]

there is even a chance that they want to make proficiency completely cosmetic in the future

[amber turret]

I can change the class and i use normally with lvl 1 prof

[small timber]

so the idea of the suggestion is unliekly to be implemented, to say the least

[amber turret]

:(

[unborn oriole]

Damn what a bunch of bad suggestions

[amber turret]

Or a prof rework? Why i really dont be excited for it, i can change my class in end game and play normally without that class prof

[unborn oriole]

There was a sugg for that a time ago

[half sage]

will we gonna get 6 invalid formats in a row or will the one being typed break the streak? find out next week on dragonball z

[small timber]

that is basically the plan I think (I mean the "play other class normally without class prof" part), so basically the exact opposite

they basically want proficiency to have as little impact as possible so it dont feel bad switching classes

[unborn oriole]

Make proficiency for Builders

[lavish condor]

to make proficiency more significant they'd have to balance other things around it, and it would end up punishing the player for switching classes, which is not good

[amber turret]

Sad 😔

[unborn oriole]

Damn Angry Bird Gamer's making the suggestion of all time

[amber turret]

I think about the prof and yes, it be good but one accesory working with that mechanic looks nice to use

[safe oasis]

calamity basically already punishes players for switching classes because all of the massive lategame recipes with items that were meant to be used and acquired earlier in the run assume you didn’t change classes since creating the workd

[cobalt pewter]

everywhere I go

I see 🗜️

[unborn oriole]

Finnally

A properly formatted suggestion

Yes

[inner anvil]

We probably just didn't bother adding health bars for those.

Maybe we'll add them later.

[frosty trellis]

LOL

Fair enough

But not only is it properly formatted, it's an actually good suggestion

[neat linden]

no way

4 suggestions with no formatting

and then a great one

[small timber]

@strong comet suggestions for the sake of being a reference is disallowed (eventhough in this case it is relatively new of a reference)

[strong comet]

OHH okay i didnt know that

[small timber]

but ya, if they want to add more gimmick to it then the devs will probably do it regardless, but I imagine it is due to technicality/overcomplication

[strong comet]

thank you

i understand that

[swift wharf]

I don't doubt that more ultrakill references will be added tho

[cobalt heath]

i beg to differ

[swift wharf]

then beg

[gray nebula]

never interact with ultrakill fans ever again

every other game fan will take the reference as like yo thats cool

ultrakill fans will die because its not including the 50 extra techs you can do with teh weapon

[swift wharf]

me when I haven't played ultrakill yet

[vernal heron]

Today is the day

Soon my totally reworked and rewritten sugg will pop up for voting

I'm kinda nervous I'm ngl

[short walrus]

You still have half an our before it goes for voting

[vernal heron]

Correct

I would call that soon

[short walrus]

And even then a full week before results come in and it (maybe) gets sent to Dev server

[swift wharf]

my man it's just a suggestion not the holy grail

[vernal heron]

I mean that part is long

But I'm still excited lol

[short walrus]

Me or them

[vernal heron]

Ik

I'm just childishly excited over my idea even getting far enough to be voted on

[short walrus]

It is half past one in the morning do not expect coherency from me

[vernal heron]

Fair enough

[gray nebula]

Today is the day... the day in whic in like a lot more hours.. hypnbos will be 6 days old

[vernal heron]

Sheesh

[short walrus]

One more day before it becomes real

[fossil finch]

ultrakill fans when the pistol does not include an entire level with all challenges to do techs in

[swift wharf]

iban you promised us hypnos relic

[fossil finch]

hypnos mascot*

smh

[swift wharf]

same thing

[short walrus]

We all love hypnos

[swift wharf]

hypnos is a double edged sword

on one hand
very cool

on the other
makes fandom wiki popular

[short walrus]

On the other, very cool

Damn, too slow

[quiet kernel]

Soon the hypnos pet will come😰

[vernal heron]

As in the Pokemon?

I'm tripping right?

[short walrus]

Nope

[quiet kernel]

Hypnos is the greatest fandom troll ever

So smartly done

[short walrus]

2 months

Sleeping

[quiet kernel]

That the fandom doesnt understand that it isnt a real boss

[vernal heron]

Wait

What is Hypnos

[quiet kernel]

So someone made a fake boss page in fandom

Then when people try to delete it fandom reverts it

Its so detailed

[vernal heron]

Dang
That's actually... Really well thought out

[quiet kernel]

That makes it the greatest fandom shitpost ever

[quiet kernel]

Well worst

[neat linden]

i wonder if fandom link will get auto killed

[quiet kernel]

But you get it

[swift wharf]

it will

[neat linden]

ah sad

[vernal heron]

Yeah I get it now

[neat linden]

calamitymod.().com/wiki/XP-00_Hypnos

[swift wharf]

trol

[neat linden]

replace () with fandom

[swift wharf]

anyways suggestions ! !

[vernal heron]

I have none as of current

Just letting the one I already posted float down the river

However

Why are so many of the newer ones so badly done?

Formatting-wise that is

[strong comet]

if i dont see a fistful of dollar splitshot ultraricoshot x 5 im rioting

[vernal heron]

Fun

[cobalt heath]

have you started making it

[inner anvil]

Your suggestion was already implemented, you just don't know the tech yet. :)

Jokes apart, there's a little easter egg with Midas Prime. I won't tell you because it's funny, but if you think about it, it's obvious.

And no, it's not the Shift tooltip.

[neat linden]

So there's two little easter eggs then

one is the shift

other is

[strong comet]

its the name right?

[inner anvil]

No.

It's a mechanic.

[strong comet]

is it the dead shot where it does more damage the longer it stays in the air

[inner anvil]

Nope.

[strong comet]

AGH!

[neat linden]

i swear if it's just hidden in plain sight

[inner anvil]

It's really obvious if you think what coins actually do.

[golden tulip]

they buy stuff

[inner anvil]

Coins in Ultrakill. 😒

[golden tulip]

they erm get thrown around

[neat linden]

what do ultrakill coins do

i never played

[golden tulip]

you throw them

thats it

[strong comet]

ill be honest the amount of tech around one coin in that game is insane

[inner anvil]

Nah, it's not a super obscure coin tech.

It's actually a very simple one, probably the simplest.

[fossil finch]

you throw them

you shoot them

they do the hilarious

[inner anvil]

And what happens when you shoot them?

[fossil finch]

if they hit an enemy you can do hilariousler

[strong comet]

the coin sound?

[inner anvil]

Not that.

[strong comet]

im going insane

[inner anvil]

When you shoot a coin, what does it do?

[fossil finch]

idk they ricochet to enemies

[inner anvil]

Okay, is it somewhere specifc?

[crude geode]

When you shoot a coin you deface it, making it worthless.

[fossil finch]

idk i don't play ultrakill

[strong comet]

ricochet??? 😭

[inner anvil]

The description of Midas Prime in Ultrakill, the answer is there.

[strong comet]

OH i forgot about that.

[inner anvil]

Weakpoints...

[fossil finch]

enemies in terraria kind of do not have a weakpoint

[inner anvil]

Yes they do silly.

It's an item called...

Daawnlight Spirit Origin...

[crude geode]

[strong comet]

im not sure but i feel like headshots would do more damage regardless

[fossil finch]

lmao they interact with dso?

lol

[inner anvil]

Yes.

That's the answer to the puzzle.

I requested Iban to make Midas Prime guarantee a crit with DSO.

[neat linden]

who would consider using an early hardmode weapon with a post ml accessory

[inner anvil]

I don't know, it's funny, and so it happened.

It doesn't actually do bad damage.

[crude geode]

this sentence sounds like old cal design school

[inner anvil]

Okay, but this is another kind of funny.

[strong comet]

i dont really understand a lot of calamity voodoo language cause im still playing vanilla and im stubborn so im not letting myself touch calamity until i finish vanilla

[inner anvil]

Okay, total context, because the coins in Ultrakill always go for enemy weakspots, and DSO creates weakspots on enemies, why not guarantee it?

And so I asked Iban, and he kindly did it.

[strong comet]

ohhhhh okay.. that makes sense

[crude geode]

DSO is one of the most donor items ever in existence

[inner anvil]

It really is.

Then there's Normality Relocator, or Quiver of Nihility.

[fossil mural]

DSO is a better cosmetic accessory than heart of the elements

Change my mind

[swift wharf]

me when we have Dimensional Soul Artifact and the other

[drowsy plank]

obviously this means i now have a means to suggest a post-Moon Lord version of the item to take full advantage of this mechanic

[keen drum]

make midas prime work with the sevens striker

[gray nebula]

🥱 patronj items

[drowsy plank]

how would that even work like what does that mean

[keen drum]

49 bounces

[novel belfry]

out of curiosity I checked out the fandom wiki and would you know what I just saw

[small timber]

fandom wiki is outdated, case close

[drowsy plank]

but the coins dont float...?
and the slot machine doesnt make coin projectiles

[hot zephyr]

leaks

stop leaking hypnos

[novel belfry]

but but...
hypnos my beloved...!?

/s

[sand ermine]

joke RUINED

🤹

[hot zephyr]

never was good

[golden tulip]

hyp deez nuts

[sand ermine]

@warm ocean wrong format 👺

[vernal heron]

Oh yeah

I wanted to ask
How many stars does a sugg take for it to move onto the next stage, so to speak?

[cold cosmos]

I think 270

[vernal heron]

Neat

[cold cosmos]

Why?

[vernal heron]

I have a sugg that's at the star voting stage

Just was curious

[crude geode]

No

[fossil finch]

Read the pins

It's a top 20% of all suggs being considered for sending

[cold cosmos]

Huh

What’s the requirement then

[fossil finch]

I literally just told you

[crude geode]

[drowsy plank]

every day

reading impossible challenge

[cobalt pewter]

server suggestion

cal fandom links should be blacklisted

[swift wharf]

all fandom links are

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

@dawn trellis only Dreadnautilus counts here

since it's the only one close to being a miniboss

#suggestions-posting message

@sharp kernel mentioning Dynamic Pursuer should help your case, since it's the first weapon with a charge that can be researched I think

[swift wharf]

#suggestions-voting message

making the rest of the arsenal researchable is already in voting

[fossil finch]

Reason they're not is the recipe unlocking, i think, so it wouldn't work anyway

[cobalt pewter]

ah

speaking of research

[grim tusk]

@thorn dock aint that just sentries with extra steps?

[fossil finch]

I've got absolutely no idea what they're even asking about

[thorn dock]

They wouldn't disappear like sentries and you have a whole lot of choice among minions. Plus minions have movement

[grim tusk]

Thats just sentries 2

And a SIS

Sentries last minutes you could ask to make em last longer

[thorn dock]

That's not specific right?

[fossil finch]

Also overhead minions also exist

[frosty trellis]

That

And it definitely is SIS

[grim tusk]

It is specific on function

[frosty trellis]

Since that is quite specific on function ye

[grim tusk]

And kind of redundant

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[grim tusk]

Just ask for sentries to last longer or smth

[frosty trellis]

Or instead, ask for a post dog and post yharon sentry bc those don't exist

[crude geode]

@hollow shell SIS

[frosty trellis]

@stray harness Balance suggestions you ping testers here for, not suggest them outright

[thorn dock]

That way you could build castles in the sky guarded by stardust dragons for example.

[frosty trellis]

List of testers you can ping are pinned

[swift wharf]

art attack with that sweet preboss dps 🥴

[frosty trellis]

And I'm fairly certain Art Attack is known

[stray harness]

My bad, I was just reading through the suggestion rules and only saw this when looking for balancing related posts

[frosty trellis]

It's cool

It's just better to ping testers about it

Since then you can get it right down to the source faster and either proven wrong or added to the devs balancing list

Instead of the 2ish week process that the voting takes for it to not get nerfed or buffed most likely

[stray harness]

Ah

@hot zephyr rainbow rod could do with a base damage nerf, feels like it’s rework wasn’t well balanced in calamity and it shreds through everything until Plantera

[hot zephyr]

👍

[fossil finch]

Dude really wants to be snake metal gear

[small timber]

Isnt there a different draedon arsenal researchable suggestion in voting already?

#suggestions-voting message there

[crude geode]

@sharp kernel see above

[orchid briar]

@molten badge You need to add reasoning for your suggestion

[short walrus]

@native nebula rovers still spawn in hardmode wdym

[native nebula]

They don't.

I tested it

Like i said in the suggestion, i had a zerg potion, a wulfrum lure, and was in a flat area in the outer third of the map, killed anywhere from 50 to 100 of each other wulfrum enemy and not a single Rover spawned

Then I went to a prehardmode world, activated zerg, and got a rover in the first 10 spawns

[short walrus]

they definitely still do (and that sounds more like a bug than anything)

[half sage]

If the wiki makes no mention of them no longer spawning in hardmode, then this is probably a bug and not intentional behavior, so this would be more suited to #bugs-read-pins

[native nebula]

Gotchya.

I thought it had to be intentional, it seemed too perfect that the one wulfrum droid who dropped an accessory none of the others dropped would suddenly disappear in hardmode

And I also suggested the crafting recipe so i thought even if I was wrong, maybe it still belonged in suggestions-posting

[short walrus]

if they know its a major hardmode/PML crafting recipe why the hell would they make it prehardmode exclusive

[native nebula]

I dunno, to punish the player for not getting it in pre hardmode???
Look it made sense at the time

[short walrus]

logic is dead

[crisp cobalt]

I'm experiencing pain obtaining 10% drops (community specifically) and I'm thinking of suggesting a drop rate rework so it's guaranteed to drop within 10 kills if it hasn't been suggested of course. Any feedbacks?

[short walrus]

kill it more then

[small timber]

It is like, not the worst idea?

Should be fine I think

[short walrus]

at least its not a :nuclearoption:

[crisp cobalt]

Ngl but I killed like 30 of tem

And I just hate getting unlucky

[frosty trellis]

Calamity players when they can't get the item they want in the first bag

[crisp cobalt]

But I killed a lot

[frosty trellis]

I spend several hours farming for the community myself

[small timber]

Just proceed to make the suggestion I think

[frosty trellis]

I just live with it

Nice way of making some cash as well

[small timber]

10 kills to get a 10% drop sounds reasonable

[frosty trellis]

And getting the super absorbent sponge

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[small timber]

(it is not like the suggestion is asking for 10% drop to be guaranteed on first kill)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Would also be nice for briny Baron for melee players

[crisp cobalt]

well maybe getting the chances increase with each kill, like 10% on first and 20% on second

once the item drop then it resets to 10%

[small timber]

A lot of other legendary item are 10% yeah

[frosty trellis]

That's fair

[crisp cobalt]

I guess, so I'm asking

[frosty trellis]

I'm cool with it

I like farming the community since Leviathan and Anahita are an easy fight

But yeah, better drop rates are nice

For something that isn't supposed to be wildly overpowered and scaling

Despite the fact that the community is the 2nd best accessory in the game

[crisp cobalt]

I grinded a lot of them post yharon

and getting the ??? spawn is painful as well

Come to think about it a summon will be added soon so maybe this suggestion is kinda useless?

[frosty trellis]

The only annoying part about grinding ??? Is the fact sirens call doesn't play anymore

When they spawn

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell reference sugg, no reasoning and SIS

[crisp cobalt]

they do, but only plays wen you get close to them

which is, annoying

[frosty trellis]

I never had it play

Even when close

[crisp cobalt]

you need to wait a bit since that's how music in terraria works

[small timber]

a direct summon for anahita will not be added I think

the only one is increase spawn rate of ??? or things like that, at least to my knowledge

and the 10% thing do not really apply to just the community but a bunch of other drops too

[crisp cobalt]

Only the community is 10% while others are 25% and 33% iirc

[small timber]

this is just a quick search

a bunch of drops are 10%, notably previously legendary items

[crisp cobalt]

They're "legendary drops" so of course they have to be rare

powerful as well

[small timber]

legendary drops do not exist anymore, they are just rare drops now

all of them had been nerfed down to normal item power level (some might be still strong due to their better functionality), but basically they dont get special treatment anymore

the tldr is these previously legendary items (+ the community) are all 10% drops from various bosses, and the suggestion you wanted to make can apply to all of them

[crisp cobalt]

Maybe I'll give it a try

[small timber]

(and there is no guarantee when leviathan's 'summon' will get implemented since I dont think it is prioritized, so ??? will stay at its current spawn rate for a while)

[crisp cobalt]

Can be quite frustrating to farm them

[short walrus]

also all the once-legendaries will have awesome acquisition methods eventually

like SHPC

[small timber]

that might be even more of a soon™ thing I think

[frosty trellis]

SHPC has the worst acquisition method

Sus scrap is the single most annoying thing to find

[short walrus]

cry i think

[frosty trellis]

I have never once legitimately found 4 sus scrap in a large world

And trust me

I'VE TRIED

FOR SEVERAL HOURS

WITH A FRIEND

And we found 2

33% chance is a bitch

[short walrus]

then suggest to make it more common :5hea

[small timber]

I mena the lab spawn rate in itself is quite stupid

[frosty trellis]

Probably not a bad idea

[small timber]

and you have non-100% spawn chance of scrap on top of that

[frosty trellis]

Just wish sus scrap was guarenteed

Then I would be fine with that

And then the SHPC won't be a welp, gotta enable cheat sheet BRB type of weapon for me

And I love the weapon too

[cobalt pewter]

gacha pity 💥

[frosty trellis]

Lol

[crisp cobalt]

I suppose that's how it's called

[crisp cobalt]

Is this good enough?

[short walrus]

devs already have plans for the once-legendaries

[crisp cobalt]

well damn

My 10 minutes of work gone

[small timber]

should be good enough I think?

like, just post it

the legendaries rework are soon™️ thing

[crisp cobalt]

I put a disclaimer

could be a bad idea tbh

[grave zinc]

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[Add a Devourer of Gods in the background of the sky, similar to easter eggs you can see in backgrounds, like demon eyes and special clouds]

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[Have The Regenator 'Make The Player Cannot Have More Than 50% HP' (Instead of Reduce Max HP by 50%)]

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[More naturally spawning boss conditions]

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[Add a completion meter for the Slime Rain]

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[Lava Slimes drop Hellstone ore once Eater of Worlds/Brain of Cthulhu has been defeated]

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[SUMMON DESCRIPTION UPDATE]

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[Allow Reaper Sharks to drop Reaper Tooth at any point in the game.]

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[frosty trellis]

Sadge

[frosty trellis]

Oh but that would have been so cool...

[crude geode]

you can always ask for reasoning

@hollow shell does this sugg not count for sis #suggestions-posting message

[hot zephyr]

I personally voted against natural boss spawning because it was one of the worst parts of Death before the rework. Having your gameplay interrupted by a boss spawning in randomly/semi-randomly was infuriating

Especially now that boss summons are infinite.

[hollow shell]

mmmbyeah the reasoning is way too weak for what it's asking

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

It's annoying with Anahita already when trying to farm shark fins for seafood and or megashark

Even worse considering sirens call doesn't play anymore for whatever reason

So can't even just force despawn

Since I can't always know she is there

Add lifeform analyzer recipe when

[gaunt tiger]

damn isn't it weird that so many suggestions are about nerfing dog

but no individual one gets enough votes

anyway

[frosty trellis]

Probably bc DoG doesn't need a nerf

DoG is fine as is kek

Got tweaked in Rev in 2.0 so rev is no longer harder than Death for no reason

[small timber]

rev is still harder than death

[frosty trellis]

Really?

Well shit

[small timber]

the speed up is not as insane as before, but switching to blue phase is still a speed up

[frosty trellis]

I thought with the stuff you showed me rev was easier since DoG was a lot slowrry

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[small timber]

for death he is at max speed all the time but also predictable

or at least to my playstyle I think

[frosty trellis]

That's why I've always said death is easier

Max speed makes him predictable

[small timber]

since I really like to stay close to DoG's head so he don't fire fireball, but blue phase just cuck me

[frosty trellis]

Since no varience in his patterns

I just subconsciously picked up how to fight him and it works out

Easier when he is predicable af in death

Less so in rev when the phase change says fuck you

[gaunt tiger]

the laser wall telegraphing feels janky

as in the suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Flying up diagonally and then dealing DAMAGE is how I like to do it, then just dash away when I get too high

[gaunt tiger]

I think the laser wall projectiles should move significantly faster

so that you don't get hit by them trying to dodge the second set

[frosty trellis]

Slime mount down, rinse repeat, dodge laser walls with RoD as needed, it's cool

[frosty trellis]

Makes dodging them a fair bit harder

I liked the idea where someone said make them actual lasers after the telefrag

[gaunt tiger]

wym actual lasers

[frosty trellis]

Like

[gaunt tiger]

like the lines themselves become damage

[small timber]

ya DoG's laser telegraph is awful now

[frosty trellis]

The telefrag solidies into lasers

Yeah

[gaunt tiger]

that was me

that was my suggestion

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Lmao

[gaunt tiger]

ty btw

[frosty trellis]

So many suggestions go through I can't keep track

Yw

[small timber]

basically it telegraph for lasers that are not gotta hit you before 5 seconds have pass, but it still got telegraphed, so it looks like you have literally no way to dodge

[gaunt tiger]

it's a deceitful telegraph

agree

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[gaunt tiger]

also the cosmic guardians have too much health

[frosty trellis]

I literally just grab Fargo's mutant and make a world long arena and just fly and RoD through the walls

And slime mount

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw6xfXqwSmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoWiVYJHRQI I have 2 test just yesterday so can look at it for referecen, but ya I dont like it at all

[frosty trellis]

There is absolutely no point in sitting there and trying to take it

[gaunt tiger]

what a cool boss lole

anyway, I gotta eat

laters

[small timber]

the laser telegraph covers the entire screen because it telegraph for lasers coming from the other side

[gaunt tiger]

all of the telegraphs are unhelpful like that btw

but only on dog

[frosty trellis]

IT DOES THE INVIS THING ON REV?

Okay that's fair and balanced

Since you basically cannot see him with those backgrounds

[small timber]

ya that telegraph confuse you more than it help

it literally can have no telegraph for the normal laser and you probably have easier time dodging it

like, bruh

this do not help whatsoever

[frosty trellis]

The laser wall telegraph is so bad

Lasers themselves aren't too bad

But the laser wall is so bad

Wtf

[small timber]

and big laser wall telegraph is of course still a problem because it have to last 0.5 second

[frosty trellis]

And why can DoG turn literally invisible on Rev, in the purple background you literally cannot see him at all

Wtf

[small timber]

just rely on photographic memory to remember where you should be

[frosty trellis]

I don't bother

[small timber]

invisible is a normal mechanic now for phase 1

[frosty trellis]

RoD the first one, dodge the 2nd

RoD the first one always so 2nd one doesn't cuck you

[stray harness]

I did the refights on Rev, when you know that he can do that it becomes a lot easier to spot

[frosty trellis]

Since the late telefrag

[frosty trellis]

That's fair, just with those backgrounds it can be way harder to spot I would assume over death

Since death is black bg all the time

[small timber]

ok I clipped it

ye this is absolute garbage

[cobalt heath]

dog is still'

easy

[frosty trellis]

Wtf

[cobalt heath]

cause bad ai

[frosty trellis]

DoG on Death is easy

On rev it's bullshit

Not hard

[cobalt heath]

its easy on rev too

[frosty trellis]

Just bs

[cobalt heath]

god i cant wait for dom to finish infernum

[small timber]

which is why I liked the previously bullshit charging dog, because at least death mode version is harder than rev as he just randomly charge (though people disliked that version a lot)

but the current version is literally haha lasersssss

[cobalt heath]

dog just suffers

from ai

worm ai is so bad as a basis it's hard to fix him without making him too slow/too fast

[keen zodiac]

dog is literally just a worse destroyer

always has been i guess

[short walrus]

Here's to hoping he gets reworked with the resprite

[proven zenith]

I thought that too. Then i realised it meant you could get Monsoon, The Maelstrom (post providence) and Reaper Tooth Necklace post moon lord instead of post polterghast, which is a massive advantage (especially the last one)

It literally means you can make the upgrade to ‘the storm’ before you’re linearly meant to acquire it

[keen zodiac]

more of a visual overhaul than a simple resprite

and i agree, one can only hope

[proven zenith]

(Maelstrom would be post providence, and ‘the storm’ is post storm weaver)

[short walrus]

Semantics + it means the same thing + don't care + turn ping off

[short walrus]

@hollow shell we have a funny guy in posting

on god

[cobalt heath]

those fucks should get warned for that

[ruby plover]

that moment when they try to be funny but fail!

[drowsy plank]

wow the sugg channel has
really been horrible today huh

anyway i dont think DoG needs a nerf but the position where is fight is rn is just

i means it's still hard in some aspects i guess, but i just dont find the fight fun or interesting

down there with BoC and WoF
i always thought that the sentinels were supposed to prep you for DoG so him having more attacks similar to them would be a cool way to make it less... dodge worm AI plus randomly fullstop to dodge telegraph lasers

[swift wharf]

me when I show people that there is no best way to play the game

(but there is, and it's called journey mode)

[neat linden]

Clearly the best way to play the game is MDFTW no accessories no armor summoner no letter E nohit

[swift wharf]

I just think the suggestion is cringe because I don't want to press a button to go back to journey mode

Which is the best mode for a starting player

Because it lets you switch difficulties at will

So if they're struggling with a boss, you can tone the difficulty down

[ruby plover]

i always forget journey exists

but you raise a very good point

[swift wharf]

It is objectively the best mode

[drowsy plank]

they're already changing default character creation mode to classic in 1.4.4, so i dont really get the argument here

[swift wharf]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[swift wharf]

yeah but

you can play rev in journey

[drowsy plank]

journey is fun and all but it's not the intended way to play the game and 90% of people dont use it as such, so asking the majority to stick to your desire just doesnt make sense. espcially considering the xeno lock on everything else journey adds. it's way more annoying to most people to accidentally create a journey world/character than it is for people to just. click the journey button.

[swift wharf]

just
create another world?

[drowsy plank]

i mean i could say that to you too if we switch it to expert for the majority opinion