suggestions-discussion

[cobalt pewter]

is the coin able to be shot with other weapons?

like just other guns

[cold sundial]

only the midas prime and crackshot

[cobalt pewter]

quite specific to include only titanium railgun then

and the reasoning has been nothing but "it's cool"

[cold sundial]

not only that

also to encourage more thinky gameplay

you dont have to vote for it if ytou dont want

[fossil finch]

Merk had it he didn't want any mess from happening if charging and researching conflicted

[cobalt pewter]

I think limiting it to the 2 guns are fine, but if you wanna sugg something like that might as well omit the titanium railgun bit and just ask for the coin to be able to be shot with ranged bullets in general (while keeping the intended use by boosting shots from Crackshot Colt and Midas Prime)

[cold sundial]

i guess

[fossil finch]

Pursuer is researchable so i assume there's no worries anymore and the others were forgotten or it's an oversight and it's not supposed to be

[cold sundial]

it was mostly just to throw it out there if it was gtood

i like unique interactions between things

it makes for fun gameplay but i know it doesnt always work in execution

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

@stiff crow you're cringe

(the removal of "kid" is an objective improvement, kid)

[fossil finch]

Feed slaying

[swift wharf]

pursuer doesn't have charge

[crude geode]

I love that we get to see all the cringy 12 year olds crying about dog no longer saying kid

[fossil finch]

It does????

The wiki says it does

I checked in game and it does

[swift wharf]

ah I'm stupid

[sand ermine]

tbh

dog not saying kid anymore isnt gonna make me lose sleep at night

[swift wharf]

they just forgor then

[sand ermine]

what is making me lose sleep at night is that they didnt add in the line "you have caused great calamity to my sentinels"

[crude geode]

so true

[cobalt pewter]

I'll miss when dog could've been saying "it's calamity time" and he starts releasing calamity all over the world

[sand ermine]

🔏

[languid wyvern]

i kinda miss it

[alpine scarab]

But it was a metal gear reference

[drowsy plank]

even better that it was removed

[crude geode]

even more cringe then

yeah

[drowsy plank]

[crude geode]

the day all mgrr references are removed from cal is the day I die happy

[zenith hazel]

you either found a way to achieve immortality or die full of regrets

[crude geode]

true lol

[hollow shell]

I assume the issue is not with charge but rather the locked recipes?

If not then yeah Mario's suggestion is valid

[fossil finch]

Oh yeah

[drowsy plank]

why did more gel ammunition pass

isn't that a programming don't

[crude geode]

yep

[grim tusk]

🍝

[sinful steeple]

ok so you know how hammers can't destroy natural walls unless they're near an opening without natural walls? what if there was a one use wulfrum tool that could be placed on walls and would eat away at them in a small area, ignoring this limitation?

i think it would be very helpful for building in areas where natural walls take up almost the entire biome(sunken sea for example)

[crude geode]

bombs and dynamite already exist yknow, deleting walls pretty damn well

[sinful steeple]

i don't believe they delete walls unless there's a nearby opening

i think i tried that one time i wanted to make a sunken sea base, but i never ended up making that base so it mustn't have worked

[drowsy plank]

no rav is correct

bombs need a wall edge to destroy nearby walls

otherwise it's just tiles

[crude geode]

wack

The only time I need to clear an area is like jungle and there's enough edges to work there usually, so I must have not realized

[hollow shell]

I'm trying to think of an excuse but I don't know if I have one

[crude geode]

your excuse is no one pinged you

[hollow shell]

I guess I figured that
It's been a long time since I learned of the no-gel-ammo information, and it was pre-2.0

So, maybe it's more possible now?

[distant gyro]

i tried to convince iban to do this for marnite deconstructor because building for sunken pylon kinda sucks

failure though :/

[drowsy plank]

i swore i remember rover talking to this person so i never thought to ping them to flag it lmao

F

that's actually really weird like why not they're adding it to mining unit in 1.4.4

[sinful steeple]

oh okay so it's not just me that thinks sunken sea building is annoying good

wait is the wall mining limitation being removed in 1.4.4? i guess i don't need to write a suggestion then

[distant gyro]

yeah

i think

[distant gyro]

iban wasn't sure on how to bypass the wall restriction anyway trol

[drowsy plank]

just rebuild the wall system from the ground up :)))

[gray nebula]

yera xdjaja

i aitn just pulling this outta nowhere

yeah i cant rly change it easiyl

well

mh

2 methods that check for wall hittability

the "nearfriendlywall" is only used for tileswap tho

tryhittignwall checks if the tile youre trying to hit is a decorative/non-worldgen wall

and if it isn't, it checks all the tiles on teh side, and if theyre either deco walls or empty, you get to break it

so technically i could hijack this method if the item is a (specified item)

though i feel it might be better to have it not be marnite

feels a bit random

could be a special cooler tool like a custom hammer "wallbreaker" thing

jackhammer

[distant gyro]

a custom tool feels more random than an established builder set

but that's just an in my imo momemmnt

[cobalt heath]

infernum boi is not gonna like that yharon just got new sfx for the roar

[hollow shell]

wdym

[cobalt heath]

nvm

different attack

[tender acorn]

What is the best starter class for a new calamity player

[cobalt heath]

wrong place to ask

but melee

[tender acorn]

Whoops. Sorry. Thanks

[rugged belfry]

#help-advice-read-pins or #calamity-mod-talk are the better channels to ask that, but I'd either go melee for simplicity, or summoner or rogue as Calamity has unique additions to both of those.

[crude geode]

@ pizza the arms aren't natural, they're mechanical 🤓

[cobalt pewter]

cope

(but you get the idea)

[crude geode]

yeah I do. it would be funny if it had cnidarian physics

[cobalt pewter]

cnidarian would be a good point of reference yea

[eternal escarp]

@gusty burrow bugs dont go in #suggestions-posting

[gusty burrow]

ok

[short walrus]

@icy sand devs already have plans for shrines

[icy sand]

Ah alright

They aren't getting sent to the chopping block, right?

[cobalt heath]

how do we tell this to you

[icy sand]

They're putting the items into the Arsenal Labs?

[short walrus]

we don't know

[cobalt heath]

there are changes

[short walrus]

well, i dont at least

[cobalt heath]

we don't know about

[icy sand]

But the Shrines are getting sent to the Shadow Realm?

[short walrus]

we dont know

[cobalt heath]

there have been talks about saying kaboom to shrines and changing it to more of a farming meter for them

but we don't have any concretic info

[short walrus]

the shrines have changes planned, and we dont know what the changes are

[icy sand]

That's depressing, oh well, my suggestion was twofold so..

[cobalt heath]

change it to just hold one

and format it like mine is

there is no tittle atm

idk why bot hasnt reacted about that

oh there we go

[icy sand]

Is that good?

[cobalt heath]

reasoning is laking

but format it self is fine

[icy sand]

Alright lemme do that

[cobalt heath]

you need to answer the guestion why this change should happen

oh wait the labs finding actually came

that was my idea

is gud 👍

[icy sand]

Mhm

Thanks bro

[cobalt heath]

bot reakted

shorter tittle

[hot zephyr]

the shrine changes are cool

trust 👌

[icy sand]

Is it wrong I'm jealous of the fact Beta Testers get to play early vers of Calamity updates?

[cobalt heath]

i would not be

since game testing is not fun

[hot zephyr]

oh i have a great time testing

...singleplayer

multiplayer is something else entirely though

[cobalt heath]

just remove the damm thing from calamity

[hot zephyr]

no

[cobalt heath]

fuck socialising

[hot zephyr]

but yeah I don't see a huge need for shrine seeking mechanisms because they're kinda... supposed to be something you stumble across

although hopefully the shrine changes make them feel less like hay in a needle stack

i'm personally most excited for the changes to the onyx excavator key's shrine but that's all I'll say

[icy sand]

You don't know how long I was looking for that damn shrine to get it and then my friend randomly gets it from another world

[cobalt heath]

do testers have access to dev server?

[icy sand]

5 damn hours spamming Teleport potions, filling out the map

Sorry, Onyx Excavator Key is not Available

[cobalt heath]

is there anything to talk about my building sug or is it fine as is

[hot zephyr]

the npc housing one?

[cobalt heath]

ye

[hot zephyr]

yeah

[cobalt heath]

it's an annoying issue

[icy sand]

Do the Devs ever check Suggestion Posting?

[hot zephyr]

you could honestly just remove all mention of config options from that suggestion

just have it be the default

[hot zephyr]

yea

all the accepted suggestions end up in the dev server

[icy sand]

Huh neat, sounds entertaining

[thorn dock]

How many upvotes does it take in general to make make it pass to the devs?

[cobalt heath]

usually like 150-200 range

it can vary

[hot zephyr]

be in the upper bound of suggestions for the week

be in the top 20% and your suggestion is reposted into the dev server on friday, is then voted on by testers and devs

[icy sand]

It would be nice if mine got that high, not expecting it though

[hot zephyr]

who knows

regardless, I think most people will acknowledge something about shrines should be improved

whether it be seekers, reworks, etc

[icy sand]

Fingers crossed

[thorn dock]

Thanks for clarifying

Now excited about the regenator sugg and if it's gonna be implemented

[small timber]

is the exclaimed missed on the summon wind suggestion in voting?

since the sandstorm summon (arid artifact) increase wind speed now iirc

[short walrus]

i brought that up with them when they posted it but they didn't delete it

[golden tulip]

fuck donor recipes

[short walrus]

nutella

you have been told how to get cursed flames

[golden tulip]

petition to have grave grimreaver require either cursed flame or ichor instead of ichor

[fossil finch]

Just cheat the damn flames in god.,.

[golden tulip]

yea i get it but if other weapons also get to have either or why cant this one

[distant gyro]

[fossil finch]

Sonor

[distant gyro]

donor itëm

[golden tulip]

wait how do i make the summon then

[short walrus]

use the blocks from the evil island

[fossil finch]

Oh you can't you can just wait on the outwards of the island or spread corruption

If you wanna make it easy just make a platform so you can have the island off screen while still being in the corruption

[golden tulip]

😐

such a good solution

[crude geode]

of all the donor recipes that are fucked up THIS is the one you take offense to

[golden tulip]

yea because i got confronted with this one today

what do you want me to do make a massive sugg saying all donor recipes to be better

[crude geode]

yes

:clueless:

[golden tulip]

how about you suck my nuts

[hollow shell]

@cobalt heath Either I'm misunderstanding or your suggestion needs a reword
because
this has already been a feature in Terraria since 1.3

[cobalt heath]

wait

what

[hollow shell]

When you select an NPC to live in a specific house and it's given a gold-bordered banner, as opposed to the default all-red banner

[cobalt heath]

they never go to the same housing if i mark em

[hollow shell]

then they are permanently assigned to that house, and will always return to it after death

[swift wharf]

I'm pretty sure they do

[cobalt heath]

Daaaam

wtf

[hollow shell]

If you have all available NPCs manually assigned to houses, then there should be no chances for mismatching

((I don't know if unassigned NPCs will go into the houses of manually assigned NPCs if both are dead and the former respawns first, but I assume they won't))

[golden tulip]

ok so minor nitpick but all pylons actually have like an edge of pixels at the bottom on some frames

[crude geode]

Make a sugg about it and get 1 morbillion stars

[eternal escarp]

sugg meta

[swift wharf]

Ahem suggestions like those are supposed to be posted in #bugs-read-pins 🤓

[small timber]

that might not be a bug, it is feature

[short walrus]

i think that one was denied because the guy worded it like an asshole

[keen drum]

i like it anyway

the gem below the eyes is also a bit asymmetrical

so it fits

[grave zinc]

@stable wedge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a Map Icon for the Desert Nuisances]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

woah this is definitely not overdue in any way

(forgot)

[drowsy plank]

man that is an OLD one

lmao

[distant gyro]

enjoy the month late notification after the update has been released already

[grave zinc]

@mighty schooner - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[chaos state volume cue]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[distant gyro]

this as well

[drowsy plank]

i think the way recall and mirrors work is fine as is

this way recalls still have a use

[trail dagger]

What's reason for giving recall potions a purpose?

[inner anvil]

So that they aren't useless.

[swift wharf]

It's a trade-off

Infinite recall vs finite faster recalls

[trail dagger]

So if the goal is to prevent recall potions from being useless, that goal is already achieved. They craft into Potions of Return

[small timber]

I think vanilla is planning on doing something similar to that, maybe

since cell phone is apparently a material

[swift wharf]

The reward for cellphone should keep being ultimate info imo

[drowsy plank]

aka literally just leave everything as it is

if it isnt broken dont fix it

[fossil finch]

Cellphone probably fuses with idk the conchs

[drowsy plank]

that'd make sense

[fossil finch]

I agree that giving potions the niche of being faster is cool

[drowsy plank]

Astral Arcanum... 2!

[trail dagger]

There are also lots of examples of things that become useless when there are objective upgrades to them. Like nearly every single weapon from pre-hard mode once you make it to hard mode. Or Tin, or any number of other things that become outclassed as the game progresses

[swift wharf]

kid named luiafk unlimited recall potion:

[drowsy plank]

yeah and that sucks, especially when you're still fishing up recall potions and getting them from chests and other random locations

even early game, MM is craftable

the fact recalls become so useless so quickly without this distinction sucks

so that's why it exists

[swift wharf]

yeah

the faster teleportation makes it better, with the tradeoff being that they're consumable

[hollow shell]

oh god

[drowsy plank]

isnt BoB a material now too

pretty sure it is

[swift wharf]

or just use both potion and cellphone, using an extra slot won't kill you

[trail dagger]

It seems like the direction Calamity is trying to go is making fewer things consumable and less grinding i.e. boss summons

[drowsy plank]

yeah but we still have some consumables lmao

ammo, potions, a lot of ocean boss summons

pre boss summons for SCal and Deus

[swift wharf]

potion shop jumpscare

[drowsy plank]

while a majority of them are non-consumable, if it's easy to farm (like recalls) there's no reason to axe it

we're actually trying to move away from boss summon items at all, they're more of a bandaid rn

it's cooler when bosses have completely unique spawn conditions

[trail dagger]

I guess I don't understand the appeal of the Cell Phone being less convenient?

[drowsy plank]

it isnt

it's very convienient

[trail dagger]

Less convenient than a version with a faster recall time

[cobalt pewter]

then use recall?

????

[drowsy plank]

yeah cause that's stupid, it doesnt need to do literally everything, items having niches is a GOOD THING
like you could also shove normality relocator, all the boss spawn reduction items, astral arcanum, and money trough into it and then it would be even MORE CONVIENIENT
but like. that's dumb. there's a reason they're all separate items

mmm

actually if 1.4.4 shoves the conches into the cell phone

maybe you could argue it'd be okay to like

add a post-Moon Lord upgrade or something

reduce inventory clutter

[trail dagger]

That's a false equivalence in that there's a big distinction between adding extra features onto an existing item, and improving a feature it already has. The exact purpose is to reduce inventory clutter. I guess the questions is this:
Should the Cell Phone's recall feature really be objectively worse than a day-1 potion?

[drowsy plank]

yes

for the same reason mirror's is worse

[trail dagger]

Sounds like everyone here prefers the less convenient, slower recall time on an end-game item rather than improving that feature in the ultimate information accessory.

[drowsy plank]

yes

it's the same reason why every ammo type doesnt have a quiver

[swift wharf]

people don't use cellphone for the recall

[drowsy plank]

you sacrifice some utility for an infinite use item

[swift wharf]

they use it for the info

[trail dagger]

And by everyone I mean 3 people

[drowsy plank]

also true

[swift wharf]

if people want faster recalls, they'll use something called

recall potions

[neat linden]

This

[drowsy plank]

not really, calamity added the increase recall speed i think, and they didnt give it to mirror or its upgrades
seems like an intentional decision tbh

[neat linden]

I don't even make cellphone

[swift wharf]

hell, some people use both pots AND mirror/phone

[neat linden]

I literally stay at PDA

[swift wharf]

one for tight situations and one for convenience

I stop at gps because the rest is pretty much useless for me

[neat linden]

Eh maybe

i still get it

[drowsy plank]

i usually toggle off GPS and only have goblin tech on lmao
but i still have the thing for when i need the info
which is the whole point of the item

[neat linden]

since i use things like fishing power, dps, rare enemies etc

[fossil finch]

pretty sure that's just for bob with horshoe

[swift wharf]

gps + dps meter + radar + random lfanalyzer I found

[drowsy plank]

probably, but imagine if it wasnt
balance hell forever

[neat linden]

Or just a one slotter pda

pda is cooler than cellphone tbhtbhtbh

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[fossil finch]

no it's just

it's just related to the animation speed

mirror's is slower

vanilla never did anything about it

[swift wharf]

yeah it being faster is vanilla I think

[drowsy plank]

lmao

unintentionally based decision from vanilla

[swift wharf]

It is identical in function to a Magic Mirror or Ice mirror, but significantly faster in use time.

[cobalt pewter]

I have a couple things to suggest but like

I can't until tomorrow

[swift wharf]

like?

[cobalt pewter]

uncapping the pick power of digging turtles and making invisibility and shadow potion also be toggled into "stealth invisibility" config

[swift wharf]

I think there are

at least 3 suggs about the invisibility potion invis

[cobalt pewter]

god.

[fossil finch]

pretty sure digging turtles scale with your pick power?

[cobalt pewter]

it's always been bugging me whenever I play stealth rogue

[cobalt pewter]

yes, but the pick power is capped to 160% according to wiki

[grim tusk]

Should be added to the frequently asked section in the doc tbh

[cobalt pewter]

so around ada / titan

[swift wharf]

before that

wait no

yea that

10% power above ada

[drowsy plank]

are all explosives scaled to pickaxe power

cause rockets dont

[cobalt pewter]

I think in cal

only digging turtles are

I don't remember about just explosives

[drowsy plank]

would be nice if that was the case
it's very annoying to try and destroy the corruption V and get cucked by hardmode+ ores

[cobalt pewter]

should be worth testing but they should be fixed in pick power

at least that's my theory

[fossil finch]

they are fixed yes

there's certain locks like meteorite at least in vanilla but they're fixed

also i believe pick power in vanilla is just a big list of tiles this pick can break

instead of tiles having durabilities assigned

but i may be bs i don't remember i asked about it eons ago

[swift wharf]

that sounds

fucking stupid

why is it that way

[grim tusk]

Blocks have a pick power requirement and durability values

Tree trunks like 0% axe power but 500% durability

Lucy has 150% iirc
Each swing would subtract 150% from the 500% each chop

When it falls under 1 it breaks

[eternal escarp]

@sharp jackal youre not supposed to type like that in #suggestions-posting

[sharp jackal]

cool

[tawny garden]

Good job with the fandom wiki screenshot on a sugg

(I realise that it's too late, but still)

[golden tulip]

it hurts my eyes

[fossil finch]

god

i didn't think we'd get this one

[chilly rivet]

One thing I'm very sure of is to not make the probes assist it while there's already the other exo mechs already assisting thanatos

Maybe when thanatos is the last mech it could go well along with the T hanos beam.

Another thing I noticed was that you're very invulnerable while being far away from thanatos, because it simply doesn't attack you from that far, and you can attack it casually, and achieving that is rather easy with some stuff.
So the probes can help prevent this cheesing if possible idk.

[stiff crow]

if the dialogue got a full rework It'd be fine, but they just removed a word, and now it just seems more empty and generic.

if he gets better dialogue, I'd be fine with it

but just removing a word seems lazy

[golden tulip]

it is more generic imo

it did give him personality

even if his personality was
being cringe

[chilly rivet]

honestly just give him a british accent and we're good to go.

[golden tulip]

dont really mind it regardless anyway so

[chilly rivet]

just kiddin.

[golden tulip]

no that accent is taken :clueless

[eternal escarp]

instead of being a full of shit man that downplays you he is now just full of ego

the change is miniscule and just removes the part of the text which felt kinda just

pushed in to make it look edgier

[chilly rivet]

For me DoG is the guy that goes yummy yummy on my tummy.
And that's why I like this quote "delicious" when his head hits u.

thas bout it.

but blast has a point.

[golden tulip]

he does

but i also miss it

[chilly rivet]

"Oi m8 it's not fooken ovah!!!"

fixed it :]

[stiff crow]

"I'm gonna stick my tail so far up your ass that you'll be coughin' up cosmolite for a WEEK"

[swift wharf]

what is even this pylon sugg

[chilly rivet]

he's talking about this one enemy

[swift wharf]

I know

But that's some weak reasoning

[chilly rivet]

Ye idk why too.

There are plenty of items with the same name

almost at least

[swift wharf]

If people see another wulfrum enemy first, they'll know that the pylon is an enemy

[chilly rivet]

Yeah.

[swift wharf]

If they don't, they'll figure out with 0 consequences because it does nothing on its own

[chilly rivet]

Also even the wiki page for the enemy already links the "pylons"

just make it link the wulfrum pylon placeable and problem fixed.

[fossil finch]

there's no wulfrum pylon placeable?

[chilly rivet]

not yet.

[fossil finch]

not never i think

[thorn dock]

What about a self damaging light pet. Provides light and places a debuff which slowly reduces the players life. - it shines so bright it hurts (your eyes).

[fossil finch]

lure is just

called lure

[fossil finch]

first pet to never be used

even if its like ultraray of sunshine it's kinda

little light exists

[chilly rivet]

Wait a fucking minute did I just confuse the SULPHUROUS SEA PYLON WITH WULFRUM

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[fossil finch]

you did

[chilly rivet]

My bad

well if it's that uhhh that one pylon suggestion is already solved

[fossil finch]

@ashen warren already happening enveutlaly

[chilly rivet]

in the wiki

[ashen warren]

Oh alr

do i delete my thing

[chilly rivet]

Most probably yeah.

[thorn dock]

What about toxic heart and neboulus core... How could they be saved?

[fossil finch]

what

[chilly rivet]

Both items don't need to be saved they're already on the mod..?

You mean like improve them?

[thorn dock]

I ve read this and I think he has some points. #suggestions-voting message

[chilly rivet]

Ya know if you're saying that Spore Sac will make Nebulous core, a post-moonlord accessory, useless, nah.

But I would agree if the Nebulous Core be a direct upgrade of Spore sac with Cosmolite bars.

[hollow shell]

(mobile Discord sucks terribly, can you say which suggestion that links to)

[thorn dock]

Well the stars and spore sac kinda behave familiar

[chilly rivet]

Yea that's the point.

[thorn dock]

Ah thx

[chilly rivet]

Yea

[hollow shell]

Aight I see

[chilly rivet]

But honestly I like the idea of Nebulous core being an upgrade to the Spore Sac.

Thanks for the idea.

[fossil finch]

except spore sack sucks

[hollow shell]

And I wouldn't really say that's the point as much as... that's what it is

[fossil finch]

and you don't need mob control at that stage

[chilly rivet]

Yeah that's why that suggestion exists in the first place.

[hollow shell]

It has no reason to summon slow floating star projectiles

[chilly rivet]

and many people agree with it.

[thorn dock]

I like the death preventing mechanism.

Think the stars are too slow

[chilly rivet]

Yk if u like summon u don't need spore sack or variants at all.

[fossil finch]

i mean if spore sack isn't what it is then it has no relation to core which is just the revive anyway

[chilly rivet]

and in other classes.

[hollow shell]

I was hoping when its revive mechanic got reworked that the stars would get removed entirely

but sadly no

[fossil finch]

in other classes you don't either

[chilly rivet]

you can almost at least 3 hit kill almost any non-boss npc.

except if it's a mini boss

[drowsy plank]

remember when core didnt have the revive

[chilly rivet]

but spore sac has such situational uses that it's not worth it, at all.

[drowsy plank]

funny

[serene tendon]

You're supposed to at that stage of the game

[chilly rivet]

yep.

[fossil finch]

it did it was just a 10% proc

[drowsy plank]

oh right

[fossil finch]

it wasn't limited in any way

it was hilarious

[chilly rivet]

Now that sparks me a question.

Armaggedon used to ignore that effect right?

[drowsy plank]

smh nebulous core and it doesnt even have a crafting recipe with nebula fragments in it 😤

i mean arma just killed you instantly after you took any damage so yeah

[thorn dock]

Toxic heart is super weak too. Its completely useless against bosses and probably not just bosses and doesn't fuse into anything iirc

[fossil finch]

toxic heart when it made plague hive and it was good

but then merkalto

[neat linden]

god damn it merkalto

[thorn dock]

Merkalto? Sry I m too new on that server

[neat linden]

One of the devs

[chilly rivet]

merkalto is a dev

[drowsy plank]

why all the PBG accessories gotta be so scuffed

[chilly rivet]

^^

[thorn dock]

Ah thx ^^

[grim tusk]

@keen zodiac bugs go in #bugs-read-pins

[keen zodiac]

[grim tusk]

@limpid creek do not suggest a specific type of enemy (at least its not fucking slimes for the 9999th time), sugg is good otherwise

[chilly rivet]

wait do people suggest slimes all the time?

[grim tusk]

Auric slimes sugg had to be banned

Otherwise it was an auric slime sugg on biweekly basis

[limpid creek]

Marble slime
It's just a smooth rock

^This is a joke just to be clear

[chilly rivet]

I was about to bet about auric slimes being over-suggested

[chilly rivet]

Yk marble is difficult to obtain but come on.

Here's a better suggestion

dirt slime

[swift wharf]

waiting for the day that all ore slimes get shot 🙏

[chilly rivet]

they do

daily

[swift wharf]

I mean like

removed from the mod

[chilly rivet]

The only slime I thank god exists is uelibloom

the rest I'm not so sure.

[thorn dock]

Would any1 care about a toxic heart suggestion... As it is useless at the stage of the game where it is acquired rn and also has no crafting fusion it could go into

Not sure if I should make one

[swift wharf]

#suggestions-voting message

#suggestions-voting message

some of the ex-expert accs are really bad

[chilly rivet]

I love the shiny stone.

In calamity it's basically the Photosynthesis Potion but it wastes an acc slot.

A post-golem acc being almost the same to a potion that can be obtained from chests pre-boss and afterwards crafted post-mech is mmmm.

[short walrus]

m, good sugg

[chilly rivet]

I like this one.

[thorn dock]

The latest one or the one from eclipse?

[short walrus]

stipulate's

[foggy yacht]

bring back malice mode, fire the person removing the fun

[short walrus]

Cope and seethe, and accept it will never come back.

[inner anvil]

Read the pins.

[chilly rivet]

Just make a separate mod that re-adds it.

There's no need to annoy the devs over it.

[foggy yacht]

dev's have many reasons, yet list none of them

[fossil finch]

they've listed all of them

[chilly rivet]

Their mod their rules man.

[fossil finch]

now go away

[chilly rivet]

Also you joined like 30 secs ago to complain about this one issue they addressed.

[inner anvil]

Ugh, let me link it to you then, since you can't bother opening a link.

Takes 2 seconds.

[short walrus]

said it before, say it again:
calamity mod discord user reading comprehension challenge (impossible)

[neat linden]

fire the entire dev team

i agree

malice wasn't good anyways

[deft yew]

"fire the person removing the fun" ok you should hire dominic

[chilly rivet]

Bro when I read that red text I turned back to death mode to fight the exo mechs.

[inner anvil]

Ok.

[chilly rivet]

it was fun when you finally beated the bosses but now we don't need to stress over that anymore.

I did try exo mechs and HOLY FUCK that shit was almost impossible.

[neat linden]

fun is subjective
quality of the difficulty on the other hand

[chilly rivet]

true.

The most unbalanced part of it was BoC imo.

[thorn dock]

Toxic heart buff

Since it doesn't do quite anything and also has no crafting recipe it goes into, here is a new prooerty:

Each of your plaque damage ticks against your enemies has a small chance (1%ish?) to spawn hearts from that enemy the damage was dealt to (hearts can spawn even if the enemy is still alive)

Property*

[short walrus]

already in voting

[thorn dock]

Huh?

[swift wharf]

.

two suggestions about buffing toxic heart I think

(one indirectly)

[thorn dock]

Hm I let my creativity overtake..

[swift wharf]

Your suggestion needs reasoning

Not a specific way to buff it

[thorn dock]

Sorry^^ just wrote that down for the sake of enjoying theory crafting at that very moment

[cobalt pewter]

while I don't typically agree with making other evil stuff accessible so easily, graveyard is the least offensive way to do it I guess?

(I blame the "expert" drop upgrades for forcing this mindset too)

[small timber]

Regarding the exo probes one: exo mechs are improved version of mech bosses yes, with some of their flaw replaced

Skeletron no longer fire skulls but instead just nukes and lasers; twins no longer have flamethrower and instead, a gigantic laser; thanatos lose prob but instead heavily amplified laser spam + a gigantic laser (why is there so many lasers)

And if you think about it, for destroyer the probes are basically destroyed segment, since thanatos is so refined that its segment dont get destroyed it dont have probes

(and most importantly no I dont think people will miss thanatos having probes randomly sniping you)

[fossil bronze]

calamity devs when boss minions
seriously though i doubt we'll see more boss minions considering the devs have been removing them lately

[swift wharf]

which ones have been removed?

[small timber]

A lot yeah

[fossil bronze]

stasis probe, dried seeker, analev minions

off the top of my head

[swift wharf]

dried seekers have been renamed

iirc

[fossil bronze]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Dried_Seeker

[distant gyro]

died seeker

also cryo minions, life seeker

[swift wharf]

!wiki desert nuisance

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Desert_Scourge
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page desert nuisance for a direct link or !wiki search desert nuisance for a list of all hits.

[fossil bronze]

desert nuisance has always been a different thing though

[swift wharf]

OH LMAO

I thought that the smaller ones where called desert scourges too

were*

[chilly rivet]

Yeah I remember the small ones.

[small timber]

Cryogen, calclone, yharon, providence technically, polter? Remember it dont summon ghost anymore, pbg only has hittable attack but no minion now,

[swift wharf]

[fossil bronze]

astrum deus too

[small timber]

Cant think of others leviathan still have 1 dummon though

[chilly rivet]

I need to ask something in regards of thanatos.

[iron fractal]

anyone ever thought of adding the yamato from DMC into calamity? the murasama is in the mod so why not the motivated sword

[swift wharf]

no

[fossil bronze]

grr murasama i HATE IT

[small timber]

Someone clip the pinned document, I cant now

Mobile

[fossil bronze]

metal gear refernces were a mistake

[iron fractal]

why not dmc?

[swift wharf]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing

[fossil bronze]

can't suggest stuff just to be a reference to something

[iron fractal]

ah, sorry

[small timber]

This is calamity, not DMC reference warehouse

Tldr it is something like that, etc etc

[iron fractal]

i just wanted to know if it would be cool

[distant gyro]

instead it is a borderlands/mg ref warehouse

[small timber]

But ya, if a reference is added it can come from devs

[distant gyro]

:trol

[small timber]

Just suggestion to add them is not allowed though

[fossil bronze]

"hmm today i will reference metal gear" <- clueless

[iron fractal]

just an idea

it was floating in my head for a while

[chilly rivet]

Idk if that's a thing that's still around but.
When I outrunned thanatos it never shot it's lasers but just chased me. It only could catch up whenever it charged the T hanos beam.

is that fixed rn or?

cuz my main point with probes was to prevent the player from doing that lol.

[small timber]

(I mean it is not that strange, considering people suggested to add Bury the Light to replace Yharon Phase 2 theme believe it or not)

[small timber]

It is actually intended, I dont particularly like it but it is intended

Basically thanatos cant be damage if it dont attack, and it only attack if you are close to it basically make it so you cant cheese laser

[chilly rivet]

Well that's interesting.

[small timber]

But since thanatos have a fixed pattern anyway so you just have to trigger the first attack in the pattern and the rest of attack will carry out regardless of distance

Basically ya, this feature is useless

#suggestions-voting message (sadly it didnt do well enough)

[chilly rivet]

I tought that Thanatos only does charge the beam whenever it shoots the laser barrage one or a few times. Otherwise it just tries to get close to the player or ram them.

[hollow shell]

If that's your main point then you should mention it in the suggestion

[chilly rivet]

Looking back yea.

I forgot to mention that.

[hollow shell]

@lethal prism >:|

[lethal prism]

Fair lmao

Imma delete the funny

[hollow shell]

aight

[lethal prism]

There

Slime God lives another day

For now

[hollow shell]

Well

Doesn't live but
stays uneaten

[ruby plover]

is it feasible to code the wulfrum screwdriver to keep its screw for a few secs if you change weapons?

cos currently you lose the screw immediately if you switch to any item

(which makes it less effective to use in non-boss fight situations)

cos pickaxe, torch, blocks, and other stuff

[cobalt heath]

I have a sis idea but idk if it's large enough to warrant a !

an accessory that charges draedon weapons on the go

[frail mantle]

if you'd describe exactly how you think it should work then it's probably too specific

[cobalt heath]

Nah just the general idea

like they could be charged mid combat/ to keep the full charge on constantly

[frail mantle]

it's possible to go "it could work something like ██████████" though

[quiet kernel]

Draedons portable charger

[cobalt heath]

leon there are memes in gen med btw

is gud?

this issue came when i was no-hitting br a few days ago

i constantly run into the issue where my exo brr gun would run out of charge

even if i had charged it to full before

[small timber]

@crystal trail if you have a heart statue going in the first place you cant really complain about having good heal from the abuse

you can argue the same for nurse heal, if you really dont want it just dont use it

this is especially true that heart statue are incredibly rare with no consistent way to find it

[cobalt heath]

makes system around hear statues

uses said system on bosses w potion that boosts it

''why i heal so much?''

[crystal trail]

It is not even close to comparable to nurse heal if you ask me, I don’t even know how you keep the nurse alive agaisnt the last bosses. And if you can do it it is a more tedious setup probably needing teleporters

“If you don’t want it just don’t use it” then when is there no god mode button in the top right corner that can be activated at any time

[short walrus]

nurse won't heal you during bosses anymore

[crystal trail]

Literally an easy fix to a broken cheese I don’t see any downsides, no point saying just don’t use it or why not leave all things broken in the game in

[cobalt heath]

well there is w cheet sheet, which you can choose to use

[ruby plover]

its one of these things where like

if people want to use it, go ahead! it takes a lot of effort to amass all those heart statues

you dont HAVE to use them. not many people really do

[cobalt heath]

I didn't even know that strat is a thing

[ruby plover]

its a sandbox game. let em sand in the box

[swift wharf]

calamity is removing anti cheese stuff

too

[ruby plover]

well, kinda

but they are ALSO moving away from disabling things during bosses, mind you

[swift wharf]

yea

[ruby plover]

byeah i do get how its a cheese

just not as easy as, say, magic mirror type of cheese

[cobalt heath]

they just fetus deleted the spike cheese

[ruby plover]

if you are cheesing bosses with heart statues, you know exactly what you are doing

[crystal trail]

Not bad to get heart statues with spleunker potions and any fast pick tbh

I just personally don’t see any need to keep simple cheese in when it can be fixed easily, if you want to beat the bosses in instantly, just download cheat sheet

[cobalt heath]

imo gatekeeping is not cool that was just shown on a larger scale w elden ring

invalidating playstyles cause there is a harder and ''correct'' way to play

[crystal trail]

It’s my own playstyle bro I didn’t know about it until I tried it

And I think it’s broken, am I not allowed to suggest balance changes without being called a gate keeper

[cobalt heath]

you pulled a large generalization

but yes you are allowed

the same way we are allowed to critisise them

[crystal trail]

No different to if I was suggesting a weapon nerf, “if you don’t want to, don’t use it” 🥱

Calling me a gate keeper is not criticism

[cobalt heath]

Yes in this context

nerfing playstyles and weapons are not the same

ill have an example

Rivers of blood was an op weapon and absurd in pvp

it did need a nerf

but

[keen zealot]

"just don't use it" is a weak argument because you can just say no and continue to ruin the game for yourself

fix the goddamn game instead of defending it

[crystal trail]

^

[keen zealot]

that is all I will say on the matter

[cobalt heath]

saying mimic + rots in pve was broken cause it alloved fast bleed brocks was gatekeeping

since it's a choice to use summons

[crystal trail]

It’s not gatekeeping to say somthing is broken it is gate keeping to say don’t use it or you’re a sad player

[small timber]

1. calamity is moving away from bosses disabling things, most notably magic mirror disable during bosses
2. heart statue spawn is completely random and at a limited amount per world, it is by no means "something you just get", you have to deliberately trying to get it, even if just by luck you are getting 1-2, max
3. unless one of my mod affect this, heart statue is not highlighted by spelunker, so there is no easy way to find it
4. you have to wire it, then farm the ceaseless hunger potion AND then use it periodically during the boss fight to even attempt it to begin with

at this point my as well just use teleporter nurse cheese because it is the exact same thing

if it is something that you can just randomly come across, then ya specifically disabling it is for sure; the thing is this one specifically require so much effort that you are deliberately trying to use it with the intent of making the bosses easier

[crude geode]

1. calamity is moving away from bosses disabling things, most notably magic mirror disable during bosses
   this is the major point against this sugg.

like. nothing else really matters tbfh.

[small timber]

I can see maybe death mode specific change, but at that point just have death mode disable heart statue effect instead of a random ceaseless hunger function

[cobalt heath]

oh hi cursed i wasn't sure you still were active here

[crude geode]

I lurk here quite often

mostly just to tell people off for not pinging rover

[swift wharf]

what fix

there's nothing broken to fix

[cobalt heath]

if it's intended it's not broken on system things!

[swift wharf]

EXACLTY

and like 6 ppl will do that anyway

(we don't care about minorities here)

[cobalt heath]

it's not a bug

it's a result of things being mixed together

which happens to make it really powerful

god mode like

but that's what happens

[crystal trail]

The game is broken but ya’know that’s just what happens 😌

[swift wharf]

[short walrus]

it's not broken if no-one is reliably able to break it

[small timber]

ya, not exactly every single player use hoik to cheese moon lord in combination with an underwater arena either, or just a global railroad system to afk scal

[short walrus]

its like that one skip in mario kart

using it allows you to bypass the entire track

but its so precise no-one has ever reliably done it in regular gameplay

[cobalt heath]

oh rainbow road skip?

[short walrus]

no the railroad fence clip

[crystal trail]

Nobody has ever done it, well that sure doesn’t sound like somthing I was able to set up in 30 minutes

[cobalt heath]

but

you don't do it by accident

[short walrus]

^

[cobalt heath]

you do it knowing what you are doing

[short walrus]

notice the phrase "in regular gameplay"

[cobalt heath]

the situations needed for that to happen required specific things to be done on the player side

[crystal trail]

Specific things need to be done on the player side in all games

Doesn’t matter what those things are if it’s broken it’s broken and especially if it takes a new player 30 mins

[swift wharf]

will the average player do that

and we already said that there's nothing actually broken

and calamity killed anticheese this update

[crystal trail]

You said that and I disagree

[cobalt heath]

man where is rover when you need them

[swift wharf]

adding it back

would make 0 sense

[cobalt heath]

or a beta tester

[short walrus]

none of the beta testers are online?

i find that hard to believe

[cobalt heath]

they are

they just have not come here

[eternal escarp]

i lurk here a lot

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

either way i also think that if you spend all that time to collect all the heart statues, which on themselves already have vanilla limitations on how much they can produce, and their rarity in combination with a potion that lasts around 10 seconds each time that you continually need to farm for and keep chugging every second, and also make a setup with all of your heart statues to actually provide the hearts

then the supposed cheese is well enough outside of being a cheese

it just requires a lot of setting up to the point where, lol its your fault

[kind garnet]

I think the Brimstone Sword is a little OP (The one you can throw like a javelin)

Actually- I'm gonna play a little longer before saying that

[eternal escarp]

its possible considering some melee speed changed and stuff

[kind garnet]

Well despite reducing melee speed effects by 33% I can still use it surprisingly fast

[cobalt heath]

will blast have a look?

[kind garnet]

Does the Auto Swing mod conflict with that?

[eternal escarp]

possible? not sure

[eternal escarp]

i can note it down to check later

[small timber]

one thing is does heart statue get revealed with spelunker? since when I tested it (10 mins ago) it doesn't

[eternal escarp]

no statues do iirc

so lol

[small timber]

but I am unsure if any of my mods changed it, since the suggestor did say spelunker can find it

[small timber]

ye

[eternal escarp]

then they are either confused with another mod or hallucinating i think

[kind garnet]

Statues with spelunker will be added in Labour of Love update

[eternal escarp]

i see

either way not a point that can be used right now

[small timber]

because it tooked me 30 minutes to find heart statue by loading my map through tedit, know exactly where to find and go there

[kind garnet]

My suggestion to balance the Brimstone sword a bit (If auto swing isn't breaking it) is to give it about half the range it currently has for the javelin throw and make the explosion from it only happen on the first thing it hits

The only really broken part is the javelin mechanic

[eternal escarp]

ill check the weapon maybe soon, ill note it down with other things

[cobalt heath]

once we get numbers we have a concretic stand for a nerf sugg

[kind garnet]

oki doki tysm

[cobalt heath]

usually for nerf suggs to go trough

you need numbers

[eternal escarp]

nerf sugg arent real

you just ask testers now

[cobalt heath]

who provide the info to devs

who nerf

[eternal escarp]

which is not a sugg its just

a nerf

iirc

[kind garnet]

Also the infinite pierce on the javelin throw is a way to flex on rogues (At least the damage falls off)

[cobalt heath]

still sad about that

[crystal trail]

Spleunker potions to find the underground houses, not the statues

[ruby plover]

oh ye before i forget
@hollow shell (bumping this so you see, and also cos im boutta go to bed. so.)
pls ping with response thankies

[cobalt heath]

if you find over 2 heart statues from 30 mins of spelunking houses you are one lucky bastard

[crystal trail]

Grab yourself the excavator mount and you’ll find more than that

[small timber]

so there is excavator mount of top of that?

there are hundred of underground houses, and heart statue is extremely limited, in a large world maybe 3-4 will spawn, and in any biome in no sequence/pattern

[cobalt heath]

a new player can't get that kind of gear until lategame

[small timber]

'lucky' is an understatement

[ruby plover]

I don’t know if it’s worth changing their mind, this sugg is gonna get destroyed in voting anyway

[small timber]

it will probably be hard to find even if you use crystyl crusher

[crystal trail]

If you think there’s only 3-4 in a large world you haven’t tried very much

Thanks for the input OSG mourner

[cobalt heath]

let's check the terraria wiki for numbers

oh

there are no set numbers

[short walrus]

@rare wolf improper formatting and also why

presumably, that's already planned

[rare wolf]

oh ok

[swift wharf]

boss rush is just not a priority rn

[dire herald]

Just checking before I post, do we know of any plans to change up/make existing summoner armour act similar to the Wulfrum armour?

I really like the potential an “aggressive summoner” subclass could have.

[small timber]

I dont think so, at least not public plan

tbh if more summoner armor are like this it will be really weird, since if this is a one-off case (eg: wulfrum) it is an extremely interesting armor; but if there are many armors like this you basically make a summoner subclass that is literally ranger/mage

[dire herald]

That’s fair, though more armour with built in weapons would be pretty cool.

[fossil finch]

there are more plans for active summoner but not exactly that

[simple abyss]

Just tested out the Wulfrum armor and the heavy Wulfrum armor looks sick. It should be possible to wear that as a cosmetic

[fossil finch]

it is

[[Ancient Wulfrum Helmet]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Ancient_Wulfrum_Helmet?action=edit&redlink=1

[fossil finch]

oh it's not called that

anyways it's called something like that

[half sage]

[[abandoned wulfrum helmet]]

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Abandoned_wulfrum_helmet?action=edit&redlink=1

[half sage]

huh not that either

[inner anvil]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Abandoned_Wulfrum_Helmet

[half sage]

smh

[simple abyss]

Whaaaaaat. Thanks

Would be very cool if it was possible to swith in and out of it tho, but this is awesome. Thanks guys

[fossil finch]

it is?

just, unequip the helmet?

[simple abyss]

I know, but like, wear the armor set as vanity but be able to switch as it would when fully equipped

[cobalt pewter]

@keen drum what about

reworking dark god memes instead

[small timber]

ya just kill dark god sheath already

[cobalt pewter]

100% crit is weird, it basically invalidates investing into the stat

and such sugg appears because of it

the system shouldn't really be oriented around a single item, instead that item should adapt

[keen drum]

honestly

yeah i think that makes more sense

maybe increasing by a certain amount since you usually have high base crit by then anyway

ill change the sugg

[cobalt pewter]

sure

[drowsy plank]

not to jump back to an old point but heart statues suck actually unless you use exactly this 10 second potion you have to grind a post moon lord boss for

[sand ermine]

alchnpc

[drowsy plank]

the handful of hearts you can generate is nice, but even if you let them build up a lot, if you only use the heart statues in one world it's not a great source of healing

this is why alchnpc is fuckin stupid

like this is why people got mad at these "qol" mods because it makes the most obnoxious and time intensive strats possible and common enough people complain about them

like if someone told me to try this strat in vanilla
without cheating in more statues
even with extra worlds. it would probably take you actual days to get even statues legitimately to do this

it's like water arenas and hoiks

[cobalt pewter]

ironically doing it in journey would be easier and technically more "legit" than alchnpc

it's just that terrible of a mod

[drowsy plank]

god.

[cobalt pewter]

byeah, common "alchnpc bad" preaching, slay

either way I forgot I wanted to suggest some things yesterday

[small timber]

apparently 1.4.3.3 did increase heart statue spawn rate, which is why it might be more common now

previously when I loaded a large map to test (because I needed heart statues for a fight), the entire world only has 3-4, but that patch buff their spawn rate by double so you get 7-8 now

[drowsy plank]

huh

[small timber]

which is not like, a lot, more you usually will get 1 minimum if you do exploration, instead of literal 0

[drowsy plank]

i got 3 and even that wasnt very good against 90% of bosses

[small timber]

you naturally will get 1 minimum unless you dont explore at all (it is spread out enough), 2 if you are somewhat lucky

[small timber]

heart statues need to be far apart from each other, otherwise their heart spawn rate decrease

[drowsy plank]

nah i mean i had them all about a screen width's apart

it's just the 60 health you get from 3 heart drops, unless you let them build up beforehand is just kinda

meh

[gray nebula]

wulfrum turtles just suck so the cant mine harder

ask for upgrades or more mining tools

[cobalt pewter]

wdym suck

wulfrum tuddles are awesome...........

(upgrades might be nice)

[small timber]

post-ML wulfrum set it is coming COPIUM

[cobalt pewter]

John Wulfrum grand revival

[small timber]

making arid grandeur not works on enemies will massively nerf the item, since WoF is a specific case where it doesn't work

[fossil finch]

perennial mining plants

see that's

that's actually a pretty

[small timber]

in many other case, it bouncing on enemy makes it works wonders on bosses as true melee, since it make sure you are always able to keep up with bosses at a fix distance

[fossil finch]

that's actually a functional worldplay

??????? How

[gray nebula]

doesnt wof make you "bounce" with the velocity of the enemies

[hollow shell]

I personally think the enemy air stall hover us more useful than the pogo bounce

esp with PreHM mobility

[gray nebula]

yeah

its great

loader ror2 does it as well

[cobalt pewter]

real........

(stationary plant that digs with its roots)

[fossil finch]

its so good and so real

[swift wharf]

#general-media message

[small timber]

ya, it is just specifically not work on WoF and thats it

[swift wharf]

:)

[small timber]

and the suggestion is entirely based off the fact that it is not good against WoF

[swift wharf]

I call it skill issue

lol

[small timber]

and also the entirety of the suggestion is based off of true melee, where in just melee category ark works stupidly good against WoF

so this probably also count as subclass suggestion

[swift wharf]

or just use a golf cart

lol!

(don't do that actually it's just that the golf cart video is incredibly funny and related to this)

[tardy smelt]

Oh my god that's too good lmao

[lunar inlet]

it can be good for slime god sometimes, but most of the time it's al ittle painful + it's NO GOOD on WoF

like, it doesnt't help u at all for WoF

i dont consider myself remotely good at the game but that has to be the hardest boss for true melee just because of the options there are and how the arid grandeur actually works

i can perfectly fine do the boss as normal melee or any other class due to how simple and easy it is

but that simplicity is killed when you play true melee

night's edge has great range and dps, but you swing at the direction you're moving

so it's not as remotely viable as arid grandeur bbb

i dont think the only viable strategy for TM wof should be stalling for adrenaline and using charm of myths + restoration pots to heal every 32 seconds

of course, unless you're xyk-level good which is not very common

[drowsy plank]

yeah all i was thinking of was xyk's wof no hit while u were talking about this lmao

[lunar inlet]

I did it on the 10th attempt with a lot of luck

full warding + full defense build

and 22 buffs used up

which i dont think i need to do for a pre-hm boss

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's true melee

you're purposefully putting yourself at a disadvantage

[sleek turret]

Good suggestion (recent one)

[lunar inlet]

yes, but other bosses have TM related changes to make them slightly easier

[drowsy plank]

honestly they feel more like oversights like candles being unwireable

[lunar inlet]

but WoF's lasers are just... not it

[fossil finch]

No they do not

[drowsy plank]

what bosses have true melee changes

[fossil finch]

Scal's drunkening is most of what true melee gets for bosses ever

[drowsy plank]

yeah i was gonna say that's literally the only one i can think of

[lunar inlet]

bosses become slower when holding TM weapons to give you time to hit it inbetween dashes and other fast movements

ive been told by so many people that that's a feature

[fossil finch]

only like scal

[lunar inlet]

and i can honestly tell since eoc felt way slower than usual

[drowsy plank]

im looking at the wiki and i cant find any documentation on the whole true melee boss speed thing

but it wouldnt be the first time something got overlooked

[fossil finch]

again im pretty sure only like

scal

maybe yharon

[lunar inlet]

ive been told by people

[fossil finch]

@hollow shell could you check the source

[drowsy plank]

and people are commonly wrong

let's just wait for confirmation

[lunar inlet]

you're part of people

[drowsy plank]

"Supreme Calamitas and her brothers have decreased acceleration if the player is wielding a True melee weapon."

so scal's is documented

yeah and im using the wiki

aka the resource for checking these things

and we're also pinging a dev so like

[lunar inlet]

ive heard it by TM players

[fossil finch]

that's still useless

true melee players did not know about the contact damage reduction thing until it was on the wiki did they

[hollow shell]

I have definitely heard of this before but I would need to check the source to verify, yes
Unfortunately I can't access the source right now, it'll be later today

[lunar inlet]

just ping me/us with the answer then, thanks

[drowsy plank]

if they are right and it covers more than just scal that should probably be documented somewhere lmao

[lunar inlet]

TM players are usually experienced in how the bosses work

so they'd notice if they go slower

[lunar inlet]

you said it yourself, stuff gets overlooked

[fossil finch]

again just

just "people say it" isn't proof of anything

[lunar inlet]

dude, go play TM for yourself and see it

[hollow shell]

(maybe we should add a "Common Misconceptions" page to the wiki, if this turns out to be false
There are a lot of balance features that get added and then removed)

(or a Wiki Snopes, so we can include true ones too...)

[drowsy plank]

Calamitas is the first other boss ive found that has documented AI Changes based on holding true melee other than SCal

every other mention of true melee on bosses is them resisting its damage by huge margins lmao

[lunar inlet]

documented

[drowsy plank]

which is better than "people said"

[lunar inlet]

just wait like roverdrive said

[fossil finch]

i was the one who pointed out dynamic contact damage was never documented in the wiki so i think this conversation is funny as fuck

[lunar inlet]

people with more TM experience and overall more calamity experience than you nad me combined

[drowsy plank]

the fact two have it and it isnt anywhere else makes me doubt it, but im gonna finish checking one way or the other

lmao

[fossil finch]

anyways yeah all i've ever heard on the history of calamity making bosses go slower is scal

.. and now cal

[drowsy plank]

it's literally just one first phase attack too

[fossil finch]

even then it's

not really true melee changes are they

bosses being slower just to be hittable aren't changes that accommodate the boss to proper true melee

it's just a bandaid to bosses not being designed for it tbh

[drowsy plank]

true

[fossil finch]

whether tm is dps race or kitting is irrelevant here it's still
badly designed

[drowsy plank]

id say wof is just behind boc in my list of bosses that suck ass in terms of the designs of their fights
because of dumb arena restrictions

[lunar inlet]

TM is not badly designed

it takes SKILL

[drowsy plank]

people always complain about golem so he got a major glow up in cal, but because vanilla be vanilla wof and boc get left behind because of how u have to fight them

[lunar inlet]

BoC and WoF just dont have much to work with

[fossil finch]

no tm is badly designed

"it just takes skill" is a cope

[lunar inlet]

how is TM badly designed

[fossil finch]

tm is badly designed, or rather, badly implemented, in the context of terraria

[lunar inlet]

it's a simple concept, use the actual melee part of the melee class

[fossil finch]

bosses simply were never designed with it in mind and like it is they will never be

[lunar inlet]

TM was made better by calamity and is being made better in 1.4.4 labor of love

you not liking it is a preference beacuse you can't work with what you have

[fossil finch]

a hitbox extensor on one (1) weapon is not making the whole thing better but ok

[lunar inlet]

one? weapon

[fossil finch]

also what calamity did is just
Fuck the entire thing up

yes one weapon

tne's and terra's are projectiles

not hitbox extensors

[lunar inlet]

like all of TM weapons have some sort of buff + size increase

[fossil finch]

that's calamity

[lunar inlet]

and there are accessories

[drowsy plank]

this is why we have Cool Swords™️ that don't adhere to what Terraria calls true melee in the traditional sense of being a stick you swing in a semi-circle

[fossil finch]

anyways what calamity did is absolutely awful

[lunar inlet]

I said that 1.4.4 is making TM better

[fossil finch]

it made 3 more problems instead of fixing the actual thing by just
Inflating the tm numbers by infinity

[lunar inlet]

they are reworking some weapons and making the orders slightly better

[fossil finch]

yes and 1.4.4 is giving excal a hitbox extensor
Buffing an spear

and that's it?

at least publically

[fossil finch]

anyways this is a problem

[drowsy plank]

good old days of terratubers uploading vids of shredding bosses in seconds with an overtuned melee weapon

[lunar inlet]

calamity never meant to make TM as strong as the other classes

it made it VIABLE

[fossil finch]

it's not only extremely boss centric, it just generates problems?
Even if you go by the idea that they're not comically higher damage values than others because of dps racing but because of risk, it is still absolutely stupid

it made it viable by doing the absolute worst thing it could

[lunar inlet]

the fact that TM is barely viable is what is making it CHALLENGING

[fossil finch]

instead of changing any boss to allow for tm to hit they just inflated the numbers by eight trillion and pretended it was fine

who the fuck cares about challenge

[lunar inlet]

you go rework all of the weapons TM weapons and submit it to the cal dev team then

[fossil finch]

idnc about that

that's a fallacy

on god

[drowsy plank]

true melee decimates events and exploration

[fossil finch]

i don't expect them to rework all tm weapons

[fossil finch]

Anyways, let me speak

[lunar inlet]

i dont need u to speak anymore

[fossil finch]

this not only invalidated everything that's not a fucking boss, which is a problem because terraria shouldn't be boss centric, it just brings loads of unnecessary balancing problems
there's a reason so many bosses got resistances to true melee

[fossil finch]

dude what

i'm just telling you why tm doesn't fit terraria lol

[lunar inlet]

a lot of things dont fit other things but should they be removed?

[fossil finch]

anyways tm sucks design wise because all bosses suck design wise when taking tm into account
making it "challenging" by it not being viable because bosses are poorly designed is bad design

inflating stats instead of fixing the problem is bad design

[fossil finch]

i never said anything about a removal, and what the fuck are you talking about

[neat linden]

(https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/True_melee)

[fossil finch]

huh twins and primes

it checks out

[drowsy plank]

:O what the heck i literally looked through that whole page and didnt see that

[fossil finch]

remember when fab talked about ne being viable on prime back before 1.5 released

[neat linden]

the magic of