suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

For some fucking reason

[lilac fulcrum]

@dawn trellis seems a bit too specific but I like the idea

[grim tusk]

@dawn trellis too specific, ask just for a rework and explain why

[small timber]

ya the only problem is the specificity

[grim tusk]

Also too similar to Gesture for the drowned attunement

[drowsy plank]

you havent even explained why floodtide is bad lmao

...so do you have a reason why floodtide should be reworked beyond "replace the current projectile with my projectile"?

[swift wharf]

Reasoning is the priority

Not the actual rework

[gray nebula]

..Janded, restart

[distant gyro]

janding demon

[frosty trellis]

?

[crude geode]

considering the person that made yharon's second theme isn't around, this sugg is impossible

[swift wharf]

I hate lore

[crude geode]

so true

[fossil finch]

Lmaooooo

[crude geode]

oh wait I thought this sugg was the other way around

yeah lore is cringe

[hot zephyr]

there's no moral ambiguity
they're genocidal fucks

[crude geode]

yes

the only good guy is John Wulfrum

[frosty trellis]

So true

We are all genocidal fucks killing all these bosses for our own personal gain and inability to hold back our desires for power

[hot zephyr]

yeah but when we do it

it's cool

[frosty trellis]

True

[fossil finch]

also uhhh greater good!

[frosty trellis]

But that doesn't mean we aren't

It's cool but we are still power hungry

[fossil finch]

Or are we

[frosty trellis]

I mean

[ashen warren]

so do you agree or are yall being sarcastic

[fossil finch]

🤨

no we don't agree

[frosty trellis]

We don't agree yeah

[ashen warren]

damn welp it was worth a try

[frosty trellis]

There isn't rly a reason for it

[ashen warren]

there isnt a reason for it to not be canon either

[frosty trellis]

Pet dragons singing songs does not have to be cannon in lore

Smpgh

[drowsy plank]

what is this sugg formatting

[fossil finch]

The reason it's not canon to begin with is because lore changes while the song can't

[frosty trellis]

^

[crude geode]

probably mobile

[fossil finch]

It was more of a blanket statement than anything

[frosty trellis]

I'm on mobile

[ashen warren]

my enter key does not work idk why

[frosty trellis]

And I can format a suggestion properly

[crude geode]

wack

also yeah but mobile users have a tendency to not know how to format suggs properly

[unborn oriole]

Attack dog sings incredible (he wants to shut down disneylands all over the globe)

[frosty trellis]

What

Why

[unborn oriole]

He is sad because he wasn't chosen to lift the sword

[grim tusk]

@spring sail this has been suggested countless times
Too much effort to sort that fucking spaghetti code

it probably is in the doc as disallowed

[unborn oriole]

Damn

Its a shame ideas like this are the hardest to make

[spring sail]

I don’t see it in the pins, and may I ask why about the effort part? Pink gels aside, Calamity has made countless new arrows and bullets so I can’t see what may be the problem with new gel ammo being added

[swift wharf]

That is kinda true

Since magnum exists

But there's probably a good reason for why they can't add more gel ammo

[small timber]

basically gels and arrows work completely differently

for arrows and other ammo, they are already coded in vanilla in a way where it already use the property of the ammo, so you pretty much just have to make the ammo itself and you are fine

gels on the other hand are coded differently in that they are just ammo count/don't use inherent property of ammo, so in order for gels as ammo to have property they have to create new line of codes for every single flamethrower in the game

I am not a coder guy but I heard it is something like that

but ya, since that is the case just move the ammo property onto the weapons themselves

[spring sail]

So basically if relogic add pink gel to ammo in 1.4.4 then the code would be the same as others

[small timber]

that is IF they make it easier, ya

[swift wharf]

would it be possible to make "flamethrowers" that just consume custom ammo instead of gel?

[spring sail]

Gotta ping them /s

[swift wharf]

well not make, change the current ones into them

[small timber]

(but I do doubt relogic will rework flamethrowers to use different ammo with different property though; given their focus on melee class)

[half sage]

also given the fact vanilla has a grand total of 2 flamethrowers

[swift wharf]

lol!

[spring sail]

Melee: Unplayable
Ranger: same ammo too boring
Summoner: Unbalanced as heck
Mage for the win

[drowsy plank]

bad take

[hot zephyr]

bad take

[spring sail]

In vanilla

[sand ermine]

still a kinda bad take

[swift wharf]

I hate arbitrary weapon consistency

[fresh stone]

bruh

the burning sky is clearly a magic staff that doesnt cost mana

[swift wharf]

and magic guns are guns that cost mana

and then we have whips

[fresh stone]

the phoenix flame barrage does preetty much the same thing

[swift wharf]

and many other examples

should we change those too?

[fresh stone]

no

[crude geode]

Eclipse you do realize that burning sky is intentionally fucked up

[fresh stone]

i dont like arbitrary class consistency but this is just a ludicrous example

[swift wharf]

I know

But it's like

The only one

[crude geode]

are you trying to argue it should stay that way

[fresh stone]

it does ZERO contact damage

[swift wharf]

Yes

And it's getting reworked anyway

[crude geode]

[fresh stone]

its not melee

[hollow shell]

lemme grab the quote

[swift wharf]

oh no I am not aware of the quote I thjnk

[fresh stone]

cool

[swift wharf]

ah that one

It's such a silly case I don't know why people care about it so much

And probably like the only one?

[grim tusk]

Can we add that quote to the weapon

[crude geode]

yo that would be funny

[swift wharf]

It would

[fresh stone]

anyone watch nathaniel bandy

add the quote "its not melee"

[swift wharf]

Now let's talk about the magic sword

[grim tusk]

wielding a shapeshifting master of darkness, wielding a magic sword, wielding a fooolish samurai warrior…

[crude geode]

yo the dono one

shoutouts to ben (dev) having to work to get it to be MELEE/ranged and not just ranged

[west jackal]

Oofermanman reference

[hollow shell]

Oofermanman cameo

[frosty trellis]

"Give Burning Sky contact damage"
Ah yes, let's make burning sky even more broken vs SCal by giving it a better way to deal with the hearts

Because that's fair and balanced

[hollow shell]

Do the hearts universally take less damage from all projectiles? But not true melee?

[frosty trellis]

True melee kills the hearts pretty quickly, projectiles are just harder since usually true melee strikes can either hit them several times (Dragons Rage/Enforcer/Ataraxia true melee hits) or just deal stupid damage (Dragons Rage/Murasama)

Just to give some examples

Also Ark's throw does a fair bit to the hearts

Projectiles from my experience have been slower

Such as Zenith, Dragon Pow, Aetherflux Cannon, Magnolia Cannon, Heavenly Gale, and even to an extent Yharims Crystal and Rancor don't kill the hearts as fast

And the latter two aren't great for dodging while killing the hearts

I'm just giving examples from personal experience, but I'm sure there are definitely others

Sword physics are weird sometimes

[hollow shell]

Strange

[rugged belfry]

This is my hottest take ever, but if a weapon that is a sword shoots a projectile, it is not melee

[safe oasis]

this user is unaware of the distinction between melee and true melee

[rugged belfry]

This user is very aware of the distinction between melee and true melee and thinks all melee weapons in Terraria should be true melee

But that's just my take

[safe oasis]

a lot of terraria bosses just wouldn't work

the game is balanced around ranged weapons

[frail mantle]

The Twins

[frosty trellis]

It's always been that way for me...?
Melee has always been the fastest heart killers, next being Yharims Crystal and Yharims Kindle Staff, then everything else pre-yharon is fairly slow

[frail mantle]

Lol, lmao

[frosty trellis]

I mean, people true melee twins

People have done it in vanilla even

[frail mantle]

Yea but they’re a good example of the game very much not being designed with true melee in mind

[frosty trellis]

Yeah fair

SCal is another that is very hard as true melee

The brothers especially

Other than those two I don't see anything that would break design by trying true melee

[rugged belfry]

That's sorta what the melee class is like, the downside is that you have to get closer to the enemy (like the downside of needing ammo and mana for the other classes)

[safe oasis]

no it's not a "downside" or anything, it just can't work without a major AI rework for like every boss in the game

true melee in calamity doesn't consist of actual combat, it's mostly just facetanking and abusing the fact that true melee weapons often have massively inflated damage numbers to DPS race the boss

tbh can we just delete the melee class and make current melee weapons just have the sprites of a staff or a gun but change none of the functionality

nobody would notice

[hollow shell]

I'm gonna have to hit you with the 😐 on that one

[safe oasis]

a fate worse than death

[frosty trellis]

Yeah how about no

[hot zephyr]

if you think true melee is just facetanking you are playing the game wrong

[frosty trellis]

Since especially with stuff like Ark, Biome Blade and some other things melee is not just a mage class without Mana and true melee is very much doable against all bosses (nohits are even doable for every boss, and even boss rush is possible) so no, major AI reworks aren't necessary

[frosty trellis]

Also true

Since especially with defense damage in calamity, face tanking doesn't really work

Just like, melee has some more interesting stuff going for it that people don't rly realize
Boomerangs are one that unfortunately has a bit of a limited stinch post-ml but are cool, also spears can be interesting (Banshee Hook and the reworked Stream Gouge are quite fun)
I know I'm not giving a lot of examples for melee but there are definitely differences. And the fact with some melee weapons that aren't true melee their true melee strike can make things more interesting, like Terra Edges lifesteal, f.e.

[safe oasis]

yeah that was hyperbole but a lot of tm boss strats are kinda just run away until rippers are up and then melt boss

[frosty trellis]

Adren needs a rework so that's no longer a thing....

[crude geode]

Boomerangs sure are a cool rogue thing

[eternal escarp]

psychic ypu were going strong until the facetank comment,.,.,.

[frosty trellis]

But that's not always the most true thing since there are plenty of bosses that you wouldn't do that with.
DoG being a big one where you want to stay close with Last Mourning all the time, not face tanking, but you want to deal as much damage to the tail as you can at every possible opportunity.
Yharon is literally enforcer and ram abuse, which Yharon is already ram abuse so that doesn't change things too much
Face tank SCal? Oh please, go try that

[frosty trellis]

I hate you

[crude geode]

[safe oasis]

grr i should stop using literary devices i'm not confident with in internet arguments

[frosty trellis]

Face tanking is not how you play true melee in the endgame I will say that

Hell, it's not how you really play true melee at all

Since face tanking is especially difficult with defense damage

You can easily over-extend and kill yourself either from trying to facetank or being one hit from death when you run away and get clipped

[safe oasis]

notice how all of these examples are like very lategame bosses and only make up for about an hour of the 18-25 hours of a playthrough

you get actual competent true melee options postml but almost everything before that is not nearly that polished (even though it's arguably not polished in postml either but it's still better)

[frosty trellis]

A playthrough is not 18-25 hours

My shortest ever is 27

[safe oasis]

🤨

mine have been 18-25 idk what you're doing

at least the recent ones were

[frosty trellis]

Terra forming and I actually like mining

I play at whatever pace I feel like that day

And DoG/Yharon/Exos/SCal are definitely not one hour

[safe oasis]

oh yeah i didn't factor in exos

maybe 2-3 hours but still not much

[rugged belfry]

I mean I'm not talking about Calamity I'm just saying

[frosty trellis]

Okay, so let's take other things into account:
For other post ML bosses, you can't facetank the guardians, the true melee strat for that doesn't facetank and when it's just the last guardian ram abuses
Providence doesn't change from any other playthrough
Signus isn't facetanking since he isn't hard to hit and isn't a hard boss
True melee shreds storm weaver
True melee is actually quite strong against void considering you can destroy the dark energy pretty quickly with true melee hits
Polter you don't need to facetank as there isn't much of a threat so just circling while dealing true melee hits and ram abusing is the way to go
Old Duke there is no reason to fight as true melee

For pre-ML, true melee obliterates destroyer, is pretty solid against skeleton prime as it can deal with the hands and the head when it charges at you quite fine. Twins are the hard one but that takes creativity to work around spaz
Queen Slime I'm not super familiar with but I don't see why it would be too hard to true melee. It's basically king slime but can fly in phase 2
Cryogen just requires good timing but it dashes at you often enough that you get opportunities
Brimstone Elemental is just spear abuse and circles
Calclone takes some practice but even the brothers aren't too bad with the dashes they do giving you opportunities
Plantera is the only senario where I can see face tanking being one of the more viable options but with the jankyness of phase 2 there is definitely counterplay with brimlance
Aureas with a proper arena and knowledge of it's movements can actually bee gungir/brimlanced, as long as you don't get greedy
Anahita is annoying but she stops and you can ram abuse her during the dashes, Leviathan is using lances when it dashes basically (Leviathan is the first one I would consider face tanking, and the only one)
Golem is golem
PBG is ram abuse
Ravager just Vulcanite Lance
Fishron ram abuse and take advantage of it's static phases
Cultist is a circle simulator, just look for opportunities
True melee obliterates dues
Unattunded/desert tbb and astral blade are like, the best weapons for ML lmao

Sorry for the massive essay

But like

True melee definitely has problems but you don't need to AI rework everything and definitely don't need to face tank

Maybe Leviathan but someone has nohit Leviathan and Anahita as true melee so it's definitely doable

Lances are something a lot of players overlook and are actually quite strong and have better range than other options (outside desert bb)

Oh, just remembered desert bb being one of the best strats for plant, oops

[safe oasis]

a lot of these points center around either iframe abuse (via ramming) or just worms being worms and being susceptible to weapons that pierce

otherwise, destroyer can easily punish true melee players in a way that they cannot control by simply firing a laser from the segment you're attacking or close to it (this is actually a problem that some other bosses share, firing projectiles without a telegraph, expecting you to just be far away enough to react to them)
idk what argument you're making with signus since that was just an opinion on the boss and not related to tm
void is another case of worm syndrome except instead of worm it's just a regular crowd of enemies, i have no idea about dodgeabillity since i haven't actually tried true melee on him after his rework
i agree with ml, cultist, ravager, providence, and polter, everyone else falls under one of the common problems i mentioned before

[frosty trellis]

Ramming is like, one of the most consistent strategies period. The instant I get valor I ram when necessary. That just goes for everything

I think the problem with your argument is that you make it seem like bosses need AI reworks to make it more fair for true melee or you need to facetank to beat bosses when that's not true. Lances fix some of the range issues with true melee overall, and it's more challenging, sure, but bad or not-inclusive/the only way to play is face tanking or adren stalling? Absolutely not.
Destroyer can laser you sure, but that's not usually too much of a problem if you just go strafing with the palladium pike (or Brimlance if post-first mech) and then it's not too bad and you get a good amount of damage in. Just learn how to counterplay. Some bosses will be harder than others but every class has struggled with certain bosses (melee overall with guardians, ranger with dues, summoner early game, mage pre-evils and against Calclone) so it's not like there isn't a fair share of challenge going around. Just, learn how to play around the mechanics of certain boss fights. Think outside the box.

True Melee isn't easy, but neither is the mod. There are a couple of things (mainly twins, Calclone and Leviathan) that can be harder as true melee than other classes, sure. But, saying that it's a face tank class or you just run and stall for adren is wrong. Flat out. And besides the three bosses I mentioned + SCal (which by SCal you have Murasama and Dragons rage cheese) it's not as bad as you say it is. There are good options at every stage and accessories designed to help with all of that.

[safe oasis]

just because ramming works doesn't mean things should be balanced with it in mind

it's not really a valid point for the sake of this discussion

[frosty trellis]

I mean

Literally everyone uses rams

So there is literally no point in saying that isn't fair game

Testers use rams even

[safe oasis]

everyone in the very small calamity subcommunity that hangs out in the discord and stays up to date with niche meta tricks and tactics*

[frosty trellis]

EXCUSE ME?

Rams are anything but niche

What

[safe oasis]

i think you underestimate how big the playerbase of the mod is

abusing ram iframes during bosses is very niche

[frosty trellis]

I don't see your argument when Yharon exists

[safe oasis]

what does yharon have to do with it

[frosty trellis]

Yharon is a boss where the ram is basically mandatory imo, especially on death mode due to his dashes not being the easiest thing to get away from and in death mode, the teleport into dash extremely quickly means you are going to just ram through him half the time in phase 2 regardless so you don't die to telefrag problems

[safe oasis]

i can confidently tell you that rams are absolutely not mandatory because i've beaten him without them several times

[frosty trellis]

Well

You do you

Void sash is not good

Compared to Asgardian aegis

I don't see anyone use it

Even when I'm helping out in #help-advice-read-pins

I've never seen void sash

Okay... And? Do you see void sash used more than Asgardian Aegis

Outside or in this discord?

[safe oasis]

it's not used more than aegis but it's still used by a good chunk of players

[frosty trellis]

Well yeah, we can't obviously

I just fail to see how ramming is niche when I've seen way more shields than statis stuff, and you guys have seen that as well

Is ramming mandatory? No. But is it damn well useful and intended and tested around? Yes

I don't see how ramming is niche now

Doesn't have to be iframe abusing everything

[safe oasis]

i think the issue is you're interpreting people using shields and people ramming with them as the same group

[frosty trellis]

I don't see why you wouldn't use the ram if you needed too

Not saying every boss is ram abuse either

Yharon is one of those bosses I ram a lot on when it does the stupid teleport insta dash

And then sometimes gets clipped anyways bc thanks game

[safe oasis]

yeah and that's your playstyle

not everyone's

[frosty trellis]

Sorry that I like not being telefrag dashed to death

Many many times

[safe oasis]

you can avoid dying without having iframes on demand lmao

[frosty trellis]

I can't avoid dying if I don't have time to react

I've done death Yharon enough times to know how much of a pain the teleport dashes are and other people agree that the telefrags are annoying and problematic

[safe oasis]

why are we even bringing up telefrags, they're not related at all

[frosty trellis]

It's why I ram

[safe oasis]

you can counteract them without ramming at all

[frosty trellis]

On Death? Then show me how easy it is then

[short walrus]

Isn't rev the baseline for balancing

Not death?

[frosty trellis]

It is

[safe oasis]

yeah

[frosty trellis]

Rev you don't have to ram

That is fair

[short walrus]

So why are we talking about death in what I assume is a balancing argument

[frosty trellis]

Psychic was talking about true melee originally

And I brought up the ram thing which helps when playing true melee

[short walrus]

Is this or is this not a balance argument

[frosty trellis]

Which ended up in this

[frosty trellis]

Not necessarily

[short walrus]

M

Vanishing

[safe oasis]

i'm trying to say rams shouldn't be mandatory to be able to actually hit a boss, mpg is arguing that everyone uses rams anyway (they don't

[frosty trellis]

I mean, I never said they were mandatory to hit things. They were consistent strategies that made hitting things easier. I was just stating one strat, not saying it was the only

In Rev with no ramming I can see how true melee Yharon is doable since Rev Yharon is kinda a pushover. I forget that the mod is balanced around rev sometimes when I'm so used to death mode, so I apologize there

That's completely on me

[safe oasis]

wait what were we even discussing before the big yharon debacle

[frosty trellis]

True Melee

And how you hit things

Don't need to iframe abuse since it's rev and I forget about that lol

True melee is more about learning the boss to a t and looking for opportunities while not getting greedy for the most part.

Twins and Calclone being the biggest offenders I can think of, but Calclone can be skipped, and if you fight twins as 2nd mech it has reduced stats and you get Brimlance which helps a lot

[tiny minnow]

I literally use my Dragonfolly technique.

[frosty trellis]

Which is...?

And if it's run away and stall for adren, mod isn't balanced around rippers sooooooo

[silver badger]

hey

have you nerfed spectre rifle and disseminator yet?

also BUFF TACTICAL PLAGUE ENGINE

[eternal escarp]

no, no and when we get to balancing

[frosty trellis]

Buff urchin mace

[eternal escarp]

it got reasonable killtimes when i tested it last

unless you mean urchin flail, idk bout that one

[frosty trellis]

Idk

If you say you got reasonable kill times I'll trust ya

But it does not seem like a good reason to replace Redtide Sword

[eternal escarp]

@frosty trellis

some tests of the what is now currently public stats of urchin mace, i believe

[frosty trellis]

Was talking more against brain and eow but fair enough

[eternal escarp]

ah

i admit i had thought of testing it at that tier, but i didnt bother

i would presume its not too horrid, but i can see it falling slightly

not all weapons can be viable on 100% of bosses, i guess

[frosty trellis]

I just prefer enchanted sword/seashine sword with Luxor's gift on eye and crab gbb

[eternal escarp]

luxors,..,,.,..,

[frosty trellis]

It's pretty bad on EoW

[eternal escarp]

but ye its a valid pick

[frosty trellis]

On brain you don't have too much of a choice since Redtide no longer exists

Unless you want to get the abyssal amulet and find Luxor's gift

Brain it's decent for phaze 1 but nothing compared to what Redtide used to accomplish

[eternal escarp]

then maybe redtide was too good

[frosty trellis]

With EoW it has 3 pierce and doesn't deal a lot of damage to the segments. Blade of Grass is generally prefered

[frosty trellis]

Redtide gave me a good bow + jesters arrows easy enough time with brain phase 1

Although tbf

Redtide was very good

OP? No, since it struggles against EoW, just was a great melee option for brain, crab and eye

[silver badger]

b u f f t a c t i c a l p l a g u e e n g i n e

it takes six minutes to kill providence its very weak

it's like a post plantera weapon that needs luminite to craft

[short walrus]

it's bugged right now iirc

just wait

[silver badger]

fix dat bug

[short walrus]

just wait

[silver badger]

so tactical plague engine be good

[short walrus]

just wait

[frail mantle]

i'm gonna be real with you chief yelling at someone who just said they'll deal with TPE later to buff TPE isn't gonna make them buff TPE faster

it'll just make you seem impatient faster

just wait

[distant gyro]

unfortunately there is no big red button to cleanse all the bugs

[silver badger]

spectre rifle?

[short walrus]

just wait

[ruby plover]

i do not check here much, but even from my light amounts of lurking i know you ask that too much
it'll be dealt with eventually™️

[ruby plover]

its not like these things arent known anyway

not just thanks to you

[eternal escarp]

i could balance spectre rifle right now if i want to but i personally rather wait until balance is much more of a main concern after all bugs are off

in theory cutting spectre rifles damage to 70 works as a bandaid but lol, lmao

[short walrus]

Ok quick fact check

Do calamitas clones' bullet hell projectiles speed up significantly when leaving a certain area or do they just speed up

Second, if they do, why isnt it mentioned on the wiki

[small timber]

they speed up after they get pass your original position when the attack is fired I think

translate to gameplay, basically if you move a little bit they immediately zoom pass you

[short walrus]

M

[keen zodiac]

perfectly balanced

[short walrus]

@unborn delta arid artifact (sandstorm summon) increases windspeed

[unborn delta]

oh, ok sorry

[unborn oriole]

Nuclear Option

[fossil finch]

Make bugs configurable

[worn dagger]

Why people still complain about scal being "hard" in br?

[ashen warren]

Cmon people give so ideas

[short walrus]

Why

[ashen warren]

So the dev get some ideas that could make the game look better

[small timber]

that sounds like a graphic mod

if for calamity, sunken sea and brimstone crag rework is coming soon™

[ashen warren]

I was thinking this. Special crafting animation. Let say you crafted an Galaxia. The aftermath of crafting creates star particles spatter to the floor and disappear

Or crafting Ark of the Cosmos having an weapon fusion animation above the anvil

Basically making the weapon having that satisfying feel.

[quiet kernel]

You know that is basically split element crafting

Love the split animations

[fossil finch]

split element crafting sucks

[swift wharf]

So you mean visuals when you craft something?

[fossil finch]

wow you used this arbitrary boss drop we added have 3 boring visuals

also yes that's what they mean

[ashen warren]

Yes only special weapons

[swift wharf]

That doesn't sound bad tho

[fossil finch]

i agree some things could use funny visuals when you craft stuff

[swift wharf]

Yeah for special ones

recipes with auric or miracle matter could have it

[drowsy plank]

you could add a little scal flame effect or something when making shadowspec items, but this is of like
negative priority atm

[ashen warren]

I can see Exoblade crafting animation having all weapons align then having lazered together (by the forge), with Miracle Matter like goo (venom symbiote) forming into the Exoblade.

Basically the forge makes the miracle matter alive and cling onto the weapons and transform into the exoblade

[short walrus]

Ok but how would you do this

[drowsy plank]

oh i thought you would just add some funny dust

[ashen warren]

Yeahhh it gonna take some sprite animation :P

[ashen warren]

That for cosmic weapons :P

There alot of sprites for Miracle matter to craft into but it would be an cool idea

I wish I was good at animation so I can an more visual explaination

[keen drum]

i used rams on queen bee to avoid getting hit when i started playing this game at like

10 years old

i feel more people use it than youd think

sorry for ping

am i stupid or cant you do that with soc too

is there a difference between soc shield bashing and valor ramming

[distant gyro]

going through the enemy vs not

[short walrus]

Also that conversation resolved hours ago

[keen drum]

yeah mb my discord started me up

[short walrus]

Why are you bringing it back up

[keen drum]

ohh makes sense then alright

[keen drum]

because its a public channel and i had something to add + my discord started me a few hours ago because i left it on overnight

crazy

[short walrus]

Fair enough

[keen drum]

🤝

[tropic sleet]

Wulfrum is a resource you get quite alot of, yet has absolutely 0 real uses post-boss, even with the armor rework

[fossil finch]

scaffolding, digging turtles, and pinger is, i would say, post boss uses

Digging turtles scale with yout pickaxe power, scaffolding is extremely useful early hardmode, and pinger is pinger

So wrong

[tropic sleet]

Oh damn

I forgor digging turtles were added

[distant gyro]

the update adds more than just armor rework

[swift wharf]

I hate this suggestion

[distant gyro]

and also it would be terrible if wulfrum continues to be super important in hardmode since hardmode has actual enemies that eats over wulfrum spawnrates by like tenfolds

[swift wharf]

• what the fuck does wulfrum have to do with draedon??

[distant gyro]

and the last thing you want is rehashed enemy being comically powerful ie. stat scaled green slime

[cobalt pewter]

@rose wharf try following the formatting of other suggs above you, and elaborate slightly more on why that's important

[tardy smelt]

they're moreso exploring QoL

and pretty good ones, at that

but you can definitely do without

[frosty trellis]

Because for a number of people we aren't exactly good enough to dodge 5 bullet hells in a row with malice bullet hell speeds, even with exo box, since terminus SCal is just 99% bullet hells. And considering everything else is a breeze until then and SCal is so late, it's demoralizing dying to her every single time.

[ashen warren]

hmmm idk if it a good move idea for boss but perhaps when yharon slam on the ground he creates multiple piller of flames that goes up to the sky and disappear after a few seconds

could replace fire tornado

the pillers of flames could look like this

style

[swift wharf]

I think that boss suggestions like that aren't allowed

[ashen warren]

damn I see

[swift wharf]

And you need a really good reason for it to be added

[ashen warren]

True. After seeing how bad the fire tornado is been (copy paste) would be nice to redesign an mechanic into something more appealing

[swift wharf]

A suggestion for updating the visuals doesn't sound bad

[ashen warren]

Yeahhh having an erupting flames from ground would be nice

[worn dagger]

calclone BH dont randomly speed up

they speed up pass your location when each hellblast spawn

true, it is annoying and overtuned

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

I think instead of immediately passing your position it should be like, 10 blocks (or something around there, not very far so you can't just run away and be perfectly sa- Oh wait you could already do that anyways

See, after figuring out just how effective flying diagnally upwards then slime mounting downwards was for Calclones bhs, I take 0-2 hits from each bullet hell and it's 100% consistent. So like, there is cheese and while it may be overturned if you stand still, if you fly diagonally it's not enough

[ashen warren]

I think we should add a health bar for the pillars

i know, with the calamity health bars it dosent work

[small timber]

@cerulean leaf no need to include the monologue part, it just massively inflate the suggestion for no reason

people usually dont read the suggestion when it is extensively long, just keep it short and conscise, straight to the point

but ya, personally I dont find the mine to me like, killer tbh
it is annoying but thats it, it is often not the hard part for me

[cerulean leaf]

Sorry, ill keep it shorter next time

[small timber]

nah no need to be sorry, I used to brag in suggestion a lot too

(then I realise people dont like to read paragraphs)

[small timber]

you can just edit it, it is fine

[tropic sleet]

"because it's a shield" isn't enough reason to add it to the recipe

[grim tusk]

@shrewd osprey ^

[small timber]

ye, especially the effect dont fit at all

[shrewd osprey]

ok

[small timber]

also speaking of shield, I just realise in beta testing isnt rover drive like grossly overpowered?

[gray nebula]

its a back shield not a front shield

[tropic sleet]

[small timber]

as in like goated among goated kind of overpowered

[gray nebula]

nah cuz if you get hit it doesnt work

[small timber]

I mean 10s recharge is like, really really low

[gray nebula]

idk

its cool

[small timber]

(ya it is very cool 👍 )

[gray nebula]

i don't want it to b e a stupid cooldown like the evolution which has a 2 minutes cooldown

if your cd is longer than 1 minute i will not care

[small timber]

I think like 20-25 maybe, but ya cool accessory nontheless

massively improvement from the previous version of, giving defense boost at random timing

[eternal escarp]

not rly tbh ngl

its just like, a bonus 50 hp

which is basically 1 KS squish

[tropic sleet]

The previous version was terrible

[eternal escarp]

you could argue it charges too fast but i think its not that bad

it doesnt keep you alive forever its just a very signifcantly noticable help

but i dont think its too strong

[cobalt pewter]

gotta account for the fact that it can go potentially longer depending on how ass you play

(the cd goes back to 10s if you get hit)

[cobalt heath]

isnt it a format error

oh it's just a bad practise sug

[cobalt pewter]

also in the topic of Rover Drive, it no longer is part of the Sponge yes?

[small timber]

abit late, but apparently it is still used in absorber

[sleek yoke]

Might get chaotic these few days

Everyone will suggest mechsuit/transformation weapons or armor sets now

[frosty trellis]

@delicate dagger that's a bug then, in which #bugs-read-pins

[delicate dagger]

should i delete?

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Bugs aren't suggestions. Better to report the bugs to the actual bugs channel

Won't get anywhere here

[delicate dagger]

thanks : )

[frosty trellis]

Np

[cobalt pewter]

ah lemme check then because the sponge doesn't inherit the effect at least

[small timber]

I think sponge never inherited rover drive, even before the rework, but ya

[frosty trellis]

@ashen warren specific suggestions are a don't. Your suggestion is overly specific.

[fossil finch]

ah yes, do not add something

[drowsy plank]

that sure

is a suggestion

[fossil finch]

the best suggestion to ever exist

[frosty trellis]

It's a cool concept, but too specific

[fossil finch]

anyways i dont thinkj wulfrum ruins will ever happen anyway

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[fossil finch]

the land they protected is long gone and wulfrum is stated to be very frail
they're only held by their cores

[frosty trellis]

Ah, didn't know the lore behind them

[gray nebula]

based alert

based alert

suggest to not add something

[frosty trellis]

So it wouldn't work bc lore AND is a don't regardless since it's way to specific

[fossil finch]

anyways i just dont think wulfrum needs an structure

the miniboss ide ais fine

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Honestly, if the suggestion was just add a rare spawning mini boss for wulfrum it would be perfectly fine lol

[cobalt pewter]

revolutionary

[ashen warren]

How would I make it less specific?

[frosty trellis]

By leaving it up to the devs to decide how to do it/how it would look, function, and drops and stuff

The no wulfrum boss is also just unecessary

Can cut that out completely

[gray nebula]

John John John Joh

[quiet kernel]

@thorny cloud #suggestions-posting is meant for suggestions only

Not any kind of chat

[ashen warren]

Lord naw.

[cobalt pewter]

John Amadeus Wulfrum???????

[ashen warren]

No john wulfrum boss.

[gray nebula]

rare occasion where instead of agreeing iwth a suggestion for anything that says "remove" id say "just rework the items that use it in its recipe

[thorny cloud]

I just said hi cuz someone pinged me bro
quit minimodding

[gray nebula]

ok but its meant for usgg sonly

[thorny cloud]

🙄

so mean

[eternal escarp]

this channel litterally is to notify people about suggestion-posting rules iirc

[cobalt rose]

eah

[small timber]

oh right update season

where 900 different specific suggestions popping out

[fossil finch]

john wulfrum boss should be so real

[cobalt pewter]

true true, removal is simpler, and I probably should add that Rover Drive is the only tech-based item in the recipe, while everything else is organic

[quiet kernel]

Soon the mech suggs will come😰

[cobalt pewter]

well

[frosty trellis]

Can just be like:
Wulfrum structure that spawns close to spawn that can help players get Wulfrum stuff early on

Short, to the point, and leaves it up to the devs for how they want to implement it. (Can change the wording but it wouldn't be specific that way)

And for the wulfrum miniboss, literally just state to make a rare spawning miniboss and leave the devs to do what they want with it

The no boss thing just cut since it's just bloating it anyways

[cobalt pewter]

I guess Rover Drive can just be in Sponge

I just remembered that The Sponge has some mechanical materials in it

[small timber]

I mean if it doesnt inherit the effect there is not much reason for rover drive to be in sponge

[fossil finch]

Sponge really got a sprite with rover drive in it

[eternal escarp]

another thing i would say is making the title an actual title, and not a "hey theres talk about wulfrum" comment

[fossil finch]

And they never added the effect

[eternal escarp]

would make it look better in #suggestions-posting

[cobalt pewter]

the funny

[frosty trellis]

Also true

[cobalt rose]

"its just an aesthetic"

[eternal escarp]

and saying "credits to x and y" is usually unneccessary aswell

[cobalt pewter]

okay honestly

making Rover Drive upgrade into the Sponge only would be neater

[frosty trellis]

Just make it something like, "Expand upon wulfrum enemies and maybe add a structure to help out new players"

[cobalt pewter]

and now you also have a post-DoG upgrade of Rover Drive's effect

epic win!

okay might reword the sugg entirely

[eternal escarp]

( @ashen warren should likely go over this and the comment it replies to)

[gray nebula]

also can you awknowledege the fact that theres already the wulfrum lure to get more wulfrum

also i made anims for botht he upgrades to have shields a long ass time ago

before the rover drive i think

but njow theyd have to be made as shaders and shit

and doesnt have to be the same functionality as the rover drive

[frosty trellis]

Interesting

[quiet kernel]

Those look cool

[frosty trellis]

Quite so

[cobalt pewter]

I like the reworked Rover Drive, and those anims are awesomesauce

[eternal escarp]

bubble

[quiet kernel]

shield bubble

[swift wharf]

this is the best suggestion ever

[eternal escarp]

wow
wow!

@wanton willow you cant suggest specific suggestions

nor high effort suggestions like a full biome

[gray nebula]

The Hell

[eternal escarp]

let alone 5

[frosty trellis]

That and profaned biome is already planned

[quiet kernel]

Also biome updates

[eternal escarp]

and another thing is, yes there are already planned biome updates

[quiet kernel]

^

[swift wharf]

they lack critical information

[frosty trellis]

Biome updates are literally already planned out for the future

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

the name of the 5th boss is my honest reaction of the sugg

[wanton willow]

what?

[gray nebula]

does the absorber even have a

rover drive visual

[cobalt pewter]

no

afaik

[swift wharf]

hold up someone made a suggestion related to this

[eternal escarp]

your suggestion is
A) Too specific
B) Too high effort
C) Overlapping with dev plans to overhaul a lot of biomes, one of them is adding an eventual profaned biome

[frosty trellis]

^

[eternal escarp]

the first two are Don'ts, the latter is just a seperate thing

[fossil finch]

The Hell

[cobalt pewter]

that's fast

[eternal escarp]

dont forget Craw Carapace

[swift wharf]

#suggestions-voting message

[eternal escarp]

which technically is there

oh lo

[cobalt pewter]

on jod.

(I only care about Rover Drive because it's awesomesauce.........)

[eternal escarp]

anyways, @dapper coral if you could tag the suggestion, and remove the unrelated comment in #suggestions-posting

[small timber]

this is the by product of DR removal tbh

[eternal escarp]

god dammit i ping demik and rover does it

[gray nebula]

i mean frnakly if it had ALL inherited effects itd be boring and bloated

[small timber]

those accessories used to have some DR to compensate for the fact that their other effect is kinda pointless, then they all got gutted during the DR nerf patch

[cobalt pewter]

oh hi rover

[eternal escarp]

👋

[small timber]

but ya those component accessories are like, useless right now

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren and @wanton willow Hello both of your suggestions are way too specific

[dapper coral]

oh rober got it

okey dokey

[eternal escarp]

yeah sorry demik

[cobalt heath]

sis moment

[swift wharf]

sbs

[wanton willow]

so what do i do if its too specific

[swift wharf]

nothing probably

new biomes and subworlds will be added eventually

[small timber]

in this case ya probably nothing

since biomes suggestion are generally too large scale to be suggested to begin with

(pinned document to know what are allowed to be suggested)

[gray nebula]

The Hell

[cobalt pewter]

iban loves the joke, as you can tell

it do be The Hell moment

[quiet kernel]

The Jungle

Looks like a real jungle

What

[swift wharf]

instant kill lava

[eternal escarp]

considering how biomes are the next major focus, you could prolly just remove the sugg
since those specific ideas are likely not going to be added under those specific terms (i doubt there will ever be a minibiome with mobs dropping exo prisms / ashes of annihilation just because)

[swift wharf]

exo prism slime

drops gel and exo prisms

[eternal escarp]

no no no no no no no non onon on ono onon

[cobalt pewter]

rainbow slime exo upgrade

[swift wharf]

calamity slime

[eternal escarp]

no mroe slimes :eggcat

[quiet kernel]

What about calamitas slime

[eternal escarp]

perish

[cobalt pewter]

rainbow slime drops exo prisms post exos

[quiet kernel]

Or a boss rush slime

[eternal escarp]

also perish

also also perish

[swift wharf]

drops ashes of anihilation

[eternal escarp]

you all should perish, NOW

[swift wharf]

how do you spell it

[brittle delta]

Shadowspec miracle matter slime, the true final boss of calamity

[eternal escarp]

annihilation

[cobalt pewter]

green slime drops shadowspec bars

no post anything

[eternal escarp]

im out of this channel

[swift wharf]

exampleSlime

[cobalt pewter]

GOD

[small timber]

slimes that randomly drop halibut cannon lets go

[swift wharf]

drops exampleSword

[eternal escarp]

??? but its the tumbleweed enemy not the anahita summon

[quiet kernel]

Also have you seen the new fandom shit of the week

Someone added a boss in there

That looks legit

[cobalt pewter]

the new wiki promotion should hopefully be enough to divert attention from f*ndom

fuck f*ndom

[quiet kernel]

True

[swift wharf]

fandom (derogatory)

[quiet kernel]

Someone asked how to summon hypnos and I was like what

Then he said he had seen it in wiki

And I checked fandom for this hypnos

[cobalt rose]

nop the fandom wiki still shows up first if you search "calamity mod wiki"

[fossil finch]

yeah?

Still the new in game promotion redirects a lot of people

[cobalt rose]

ohg i wasnt aware of that

[cobalt pewter]

well yeah it's just the first day

this is more of a long term change

[tropic sleet]

This is a good suggestion, though i think it would need to be accompanied with slight health buffs to bosses on expert mode

But i think getting more items/weapons that interact with rage/adrenaline would be cool

It would also help new players make the jump to Rev, as they won't have to learn new mechanics

[small timber]

oh right I was thinking how the word that sentence, ya that will do

[drowsy plank]

@brittle delta there's a craigs rework in the plans that overhauls the entire left half of the biome, but also you can cut the first paragraph and the section about a boss if you still want to submit anyway

[small timber]

The entire suggestion is like, having a lot of bloat involving just talking rather than presenting the idea tbh

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[small timber]

I read the suggestion and I didnt understand what the suggestion want to add, other than new boss and maybe enemy variety?

[drowsy plank]

it wants hell to be less bland

which is going to happen with the craig rework when it takes up half the map and adds like 3 new biomes but

[brittle delta]

Oh I didn’t know they were already updating hell lmao

[small timber]

But ya regardless of if you think the suggestion will get approved, just get straight to the point

If it is not allowed it will be exclaimed anyway, no reason to put all those in the suggestion itself

They are updating a specific portion of hell only as I am aware, not the entire hell

[brittle delta]

Good enough for me

I just want some more content other than haha funni hellstone

[gray nebula]

true suggestion uh

is there a shorter way to say cognitive afflatus

a cool and cute nickname

:/

[brittle delta]

I guess there’s shadow chests in hell but half the stuff in them is only really useful for super early hardmode and late-hm recipes

[tropic sleet]

Cog inf- actually nvm

[drowsy plank]

cog

that's what my friends call me

[gray nebula]

okidoki

[eternal escarp]

co

[brittle delta]

c

[vapid crane]

huh

[faint ridge]

resprite yharon

[drowsy plank]

this is literally pinned in #calamity-update-talk ;
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QOZwF0hsg7sOa30ctPQ51kct9vFt0OVKeGs0bqAuRDE/edit

ignoring the fact that resprites are against the sugg rules anyway

[small timber]

@dapper violet i think it was mentioned at some point that researchaing draedon arsenals can corrupt your character, so they make them not researchable as preventive measure

[hot zephyr]

also technically the Dynamic Pursuer is the player's own design

[dapper violet]

Strangely, it's researchable : P

[dapper violet]

I know
I am just confused on why the Dynamic Pursuer is researchable tho XD

[thorny cloud]

I fixed Pickle's suggestion! :D

[neat linden]

interesting though

if arsenal can corrupt the character, the question is why

if it's because of the charge

pursuer also has the charge

[eternal escarp]

thats nice ye, but the mention of his older sugg is completely unneeded, as if it gets sent to dev (or hell, just to voting) it will have no context

would be better to clean it off from the sugg

[hot zephyr]

i'd also recommend breaking up the suggestion into two

one for wulfrum enemies

and one for structurees

[eternal escarp]

i looked at their sugg as a "more wulfrum" and the two things are more of ideas rather then the actual sugg

unless im mistaken on that

[neat linden]

i could see a wulfrum structure being a thing

[hot zephyr]

wulfrum spotlight......

[grim tusk]

@thorny cloud
1- split your suggs
2 - more reasoning other than “it would be neat” is required for the second sugg

[gray nebula]

that was a speedrun

[safe oasis]

#suggestions-posting message
isn't that like exactly what that one new weapon does

word for word, even

[keen zodiac]

@unborn delta fargo's mutant mod adds a wind summon, along with slime rain, lantern night and party

[solemn gorge]

I suggest that the item “the sponge” gets the cool matrix thing from rover drive

[thorny cloud]

fixed it as much as I could

if the 2nd suggestion doesn't make the cut I understand, I'm just obsessed with the stuff lul

[drowsy plank]

booooo if you think the cute noises from the wulfrum controller should be removed you are wrong and bad

they're way less offensive than the constant explosions created by nearly ever single lategame item

[thorny cloud]

agreed

[drowsy plank]

if you dont like it just turn off your damn sound

[swift wharf]

I think that the wulfrum enemies are fine

because they are literally the first enemy you encounter

so they're supposed to be easy to deal

[drowsy plank]

im gonna be honest for early game enemies wulfrum can actually be kinda hard to deal

like copper shortsword copper bow level stuff

[swift wharf]

Yeah

but once you get a decent weapon they become easy to kill
because that is the point

[drowsy plank]

and pylon kinda already is the miniboss

[swift wharf]

wulfrum pylon and his cohorts

cue earthbound music

[drowsy plank]

the only thing i could think of is maybe one post-Eye???? like that miniboss spawns post-Eye so ur scaffolding kit can get a lot of wulfrum if u somehow missed out on that reciever or whatever it is that spawns a horde of them

[swift wharf]

This kind of sounds like a make king slime harder suggestion tbh

wait not easier

[drowsy plank]

like tbh wulfrum is basically perfect where it is like how about you go use it first lmfao

[swift wharf]

I read easy and typed it

difficulty is subj-

[drowsy plank]

it's not even difficulty like, what the fuck would the miniboss even add? wulfrum does literally everything now

[thorny cloud]

ok i fixed the "fixed" suggestion

I think this one makes more sense

[drowsy plank]

...you can removed edited

[thorny cloud]

🙄

[drowsy plank]

lmao why do people feel like they need to specify things about the message this is all gonna be OOC once it gets to the devs

for real it's just going to confuse people!!

[thorny cloud]

OK I FIXED THE FIXED FIXED POST

😁

[drowsy plank]

ive had a suggestion fail for less

lmfao

[swift wharf]

I think that pylons are supposed to be easy to kill

[drowsy plank]

tbh i like making them a lil bit more threatening

[swift wharf]

"easy" as in no AI

and this is when the drones come in

[drowsy plank]

i think they deserve to be able to shoot like 1 projectile slowly so they arent a complete pushover if you ambush the drones

[thorny cloud]

yea

[swift wharf]

but yes pylons having more synergy with the drones does sound interesting

[thorny cloud]

early game bullet hell

[drowsy plank]

the typical strat for dealing with pylons is to stand on them and keep the drones away from the buff, so giving them something couldnt hurt

infernum wulfrum pylon

[swift wharf]

real(

giving them stats per drone charged could also be nice

[drowsy plank]

and then
and then and then u could give a buff to wulfrum battery that builds off the idea of those stat bonuses or something kinda like GSA. or some upgrade or something

that could be cool

too speculative tho but w/e the idea is out there

[thorny cloud]

maybe you could like
slowly charge a wulfrum battery to give a better summon bonus
and then that bonus would slowly deplete

kinda like a charging station

[west prairie]

Maybe the hit enemies drop little charge sparks you have to collect to increase the bonus akin to nebula armor

[thorny cloud]

that would make the lure have more purpose too

oh wait

[west prairie]

That or minions get a damage boost from being close to you that fades off after they leave a certain radius

[thorny cloud]

oooo yeah

[west prairie]

Like they’re coming back to recharge

[hardy dock]

Bruh

[thorny cloud]

bro joined just to say that in posting 💀

[open meadow]

down bad

[west prairie]

Down calamitously

[open meadow]

Tale of a Down Bad

[west prairie]

Stained crusty socks

[hardy dock]

[thorny cloud]

bro's stuck to his chair I bet
never leaves

[west prairie]

Moderators, send this man to hell where his veins will bleed like the tigris and euphrates etc etc

[thorny cloud]

NOT THE HEADPHONE DIVOT

🤢

[west prairie]

@dapper coral someone down bad in #suggestions-posting

[dapper coral]

@ashen warren no thank you

[west prairie]

Wait for the VN buddy

[tardy smelt]

ya called

[sand ermine]

what did he even say lol

[drowsy plank]

@solemn gorge 1. what does that even mean

2. if this is about adding the rover drive shield there are literally 2 identical suggs already in voting about this

[west prairie]

“Hey can we have seggs with da female npcs heheh”

[drowsy plank]

man that is literally just a "funny reference" sugg which is completely against the rules but... i do want to see that

[sand ermine]

bru

[gray nebula]

me when i don't wanna do that

itd be funny reference but sitching weapons in terraria is annoying

and the titanium railgun takes a super long time to charge, so itd be really unpractical

have you even tried it

[cold sundial]

yes

[drowsy plank]

i figured, was gonna say to make it less SiS-y to just let it be any ranged proj but that'd probably be hell to program

[cold sundial]

sorru

[drowsy plank]

i just dont think this sugg has any chance of passing

dw about it

[cold sundial]

i just wanna see more weapon combos

ive never seen it implemented

[drowsy plank]

tbh adamantite particle accelerator would fit this role better, but either way it just isnt worth the time to implement when they could just. i dunno add another coin gun in the future or something

[cold sundial]

yea fair

[drowsy plank]

or just make the weapons individually stronger

[cold sundial]

its more trouble than its worth or somehting

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[cold sundial]

i agree

[drowsy plank]

plus there's a LOT of item switching already in terraria

[cold sundial]

i just thought i could put it out there

[fossil finch]

the problem with weapon synergies is that item switching,

[drowsy plank]

rod of discord, debuff applicators

[fossil finch]

is bad

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[cold sundial]

:(

i kinda like it

[fossil finch]

some weapons may be designed with it on mind but

that'd be

a whole new weapon

[cold sundial]

sorry

i just

thought id put it out there

[drowsy plank]

dw about it

[solemn gorge]

Oh I didn’t sorry I’ll delete it

[cold sundial]

ok

[drowsy plank]

thx

[gray nebula]

tree branches aren't part of the astral aesthetic

ignore the astral snow trees those look dumb

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[gray nebula]

swag art tho

[chilly rivet]

Yea I know, I added it cuz I found it cool on my world but true that.

For now ignore the branches if that helps lul.

[fossil finch]

there IS FIVE MONOLITH CONCEPT ARTS

this is the cool one

[chilly rivet]

oooo

[west prairie]

Underground astral will be one hell of an issue to solve given that it will either have to work with preexisting terrain or overwrite old stuff without destroying anything important

[fossil finch]

Make beacon spawn on wg

So it marks the place and people don't build things there

[drowsy plank]

a withered beacon would be cool tbh

[deft yew]

this is one of the most suggestions of all time

[drowsy plank]

@stiff crow that's a double reversion sugg and also you gave literally no reasons on why DoG is "dirt easy" now and why he was harder before

[frosty trellis]

^

If on Rev he got changed so he wasn't just flat out unfair when changing between passive and aggressive phases while in midair

Which would just kill you extremely quickly

[thorny cloud]

"it adds to the challenge"🤓

[frosty trellis]

Yeah no

[stiff crow]

yrah I agree that is a big unfair

[frosty trellis]

I played on Death mode specifically so I didn't have to deal with rev DoG bullshit

[stiff crow]

I used to play on normal

so maybe that's why

[frosty trellis]

Mod is balanced around Expert-revengence

[stiff crow]

yeah I know

He's just too easy. the only things that ever hit me were the grid attacks and the cosmic guardians

[drowsy plank]

what mode are you playing on

[stiff crow]

rev

[frosty trellis]

Idk about the change DoG to be harder when he isn't exactly a pushover (If you think current DoG is easy, go play 1.4 calamity. He was a complete pushover)

The removal of the "Nothing Personal Kid" and "It's not over yet, Kid" since the kid was removed is like..... Why is that cringe? That's what I'm asking

That I can actually get behind on why

[stiff crow]

yeah

that's my BIIIIIIG issue

[frosty trellis]

Laser walls definitely are the main culprit of getting hit in DoG now which is fair

[stiff crow]

Dog laser walls are unfair

[frosty trellis]

Like, any of the other lines sure, I can see it

[frosty trellis]

They really aren't

[stiff crow]

but his other laser attacks are easy

[drowsy plank]

[frosty trellis]

Brimrose like

[drowsy plank]

this is giving me a headache

[frosty trellis]

Brimrose completely counters the laser walls for me normally

[stiff crow]

yeah

then again I am kinda shit at this game

[frosty trellis]

I've done a fair few playthroughs

So I have gotten the laser walls down

Since those caused me a ton of trouble originally for me

With their only being 2 per laser walls phase it makes it easier now

[stiff crow]

It still bugs me so fucking much that they made his dialogue cringe

[frosty trellis]

Would have to see the new lines

[stiff crow]

anyways, I edited the suggestion

[frosty trellis]

That's much better

And yeah, something about a god eating worm calling you kid just feels right

[frosty trellis]

It's not over yet is so lame

It's not over yet kid is infinity better

Other lines were already there

Nothing personal kid was one of my personal favorites as well

Especially when he just killed you when he said that

If anything, the only lines I could see that are cringe are "Did that hurt?" And "Don't get cocky"

[inner anvil]

Fab didn't like it, he took it out.

[west prairie]

Don’t get cocky, kid was such a hammy line and I loved it

[frosty trellis]

But it works in DoGs case

[frosty trellis]

Sucks

It's not the same without "It's not over yet, kid"

Especially with Universal Collapse

[west prairie]

Soul vs soulless

[frosty trellis]

Yeah no kid

[sand ermine]

Should have added in the line "you have caused great calamity to my sentinels"

[inner anvil]

Chaotic evil.

[west prairie]

So much personality in a single syllable

[frosty trellis]

Problem with that

[frosty trellis]

You don't have to kill the sentinels to fight DoG

[sand ermine]

In a perfect universe the line exists

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[west prairie]

I loved it when the devourer of gods said his signature line “it’s devourin’ time” and devoured all over those guys

[sand ermine]

We are not in a perfect universe due to this

[drowsy plank]

with the more mature lines given to DoG and SCal it's be funny if CalClone and Storm Weaver got them instead as more "immature" versions of them

[fossil finch]

Dog should speak like the fuckin' grown-up eel he is

[stiff crow]

he can afford to add one three letter word to 2 sentences

[frosty trellis]

Calling someone a kid does not mean he isn't mature or isn't grown up...

[fossil finch]

Kinda is in this context

[inner anvil]

It's not about the effort, he just didn't like it.

[frosty trellis]

I'm legitimately curious as to why. Nothing against Fab, just curious

[stiff crow]

I will literally make a whole mod that adds those 2 words

[west prairie]

I know nothing about revamped DoG lore but the last known canon devourer was a particularly strong juvenile who just happened to eat a god so of course he’d act immature

[fossil finch]

Because it's kinda

Bad dialogue

[inner anvil]

Then do, nobody stopping you.

[swift wharf]

adding removed content my beloved don't

[frosty trellis]

How so?

[fossil finch]

Fab's said it before it's poorly written dialogue

[stiff crow]

it isn't!

[west prairie]

Nah it had personality

[swift wharf]

Why is everyone discussing this

It's literally a don't

[stiff crow]

DoG shitting all over you was cool!

[frosty trellis]

I would have to agree

But we can't change that

[swift wharf]

You indeed cannot

[west prairie]

I’m invoking death of the author and declaring that fabsol is wrong about the quality of that line, actually

[fossil finch]

It is just edgy poorly written dialogue and fab acknowledgeds it and i believe he wrote it himself and didn't do anything better because that takes an effort he just wouldn't be putting in back then, he's said this publicly

[frosty trellis]

Although if you do make that mon clank I will download it immediately

[stiff crow]

done

how the fuck do I mod terraria

[swift wharf]

calamity players try to not like low quality content challenge (impossible

[fossil finch]

"Its dog's personality" is also a poor excuse because it still could be better written anyways

[drowsy plank]

there are tutorials on the tmod site

[fossil finch]

also its as flat as his current sprite

[west prairie]

It’s campy and I think the dissonance between being a god devouring serpent and talking like a call of duty player was wonderful

[stiff crow]

his current sprite is lit wdym

[fossil finch]

.... it's not

First of all it's fucking flat

[stiff crow]

EXACTLY

[drowsy plank]

i liked my idea of putting the childish likes on the less mature versions of those bosses but ig no one else did. sad!

[west prairie]

https://youtu.be/_0fU6YsRRNo same energy

[fossil finch]

ok but that's death you can't compare death to dog ngl

dog doesn't have the ability to immediately kill people does he? Point proven

[stiff crow]

DoG eats gods

[inner anvil]

Fab wanted a smug god, and he took what he didn't like about that.

[fossil finch]

Anyways it's not coming back cope and seethe

[west prairie]

“Are you dictating your fucking obituary to me, Belmont” is the energy DoG should have

[stiff crow]

#notmydog

(cirnge twtier!

)

[west prairie]

Isn’t that a death mode thing or was that removed

[drowsy plank]

removed

[swift wharf]

people don't like the dialogue at all
they're just conditioned into liking it

because haha funny edge

[fossil finch]

Yes and he saying it's not over yet kid is leagues below

[swift wharf]

!!!!!

[west prairie]

Campy is good, actually, and I’ll die on that hill

[stiff crow]

Batman and Robin!

[fossil finch]

and i mean leagues below

[stiff crow]

my brain took a shit sorry

[fossil finch]

Idk what batman and robin have to do with this

[stiff crow]

campy good!

[fossil finch]

there's 98472747 dif versions of them

[stiff crow]

(it's a movie)

[stiff crow]

the movie.

[west prairie]

If this is just a prelude to a more polished version of the dialogue with the same vibe I’d be up for that

[short walrus]

Fun lore fact! Dog has never eaten a god

[fossil finch]

there's 90 movies

Anyways still

Anything dog says rn is leagues below what death, fucking does

It's also worsened by the fact he looks like a fucking tube

[west prairie]

He ate the god of the stars but still that means devourer of gods plural is a misnomer

[short walrus]

Deus had space aids, doesn't count

[fossil finch]

deus was one light year long and could create stars

No way in hell he ate it all

He nibbled some shit and went away

[drowsy plank]

isnt the point that he didnt fully kill deus cause we fight deus later on

[west prairie]

Ok, I didn’t eat the core of that honeycrisp apple

Did I still eat an apple

[short walrus]

Dog was a speck of dust compared to deus

[west prairie]

Do I gotta eat all of it before I can claim that title

[stiff crow]

well he's a funny space worm who probably plays CS:GO

[fossil finch]

Deus Spawn is a revived version of deus

So it wouldn't matter

[short walrus]

And the apple thing is stupid because you're still eating most of the apple

Dog could never have come close

[safe oasis]

it's more like you peeled one square centimeter of the apple's skin and ate it if we're using this metaphor

[fossil finch]

Probably one square milimiter considering the scale

[deft yew]

AD was mortally ill, so dog's nibbling is what finally killed it
the AD we fight is a piece of its corpse that fell to earth and got transmogrified by the astral

[stiff crow]

ngl a sub-world that's literally just astrum deus's og corpse would be cool

[short walrus]

Lore chat invasion of other channels c2022 colourised

[fossil finch]

Anyways dog sucks i hate dog end of discussion

[deft yew]

wait a minute

[half sage]

so true bestie

[stiff crow]

it would take 30 years

[deft yew]

yknow that whale carcass thing

[stiff crow]

holy shit

[west prairie]

Ah there we go, the actual reason for disliking the dialogue

[deft yew]

if that's the case, the distortion dimension's ecosystem would be the AD corpse

real?

[stiff crow]

the world if DoG's music was as good as the fight

i mean

other way around

waifonejlv

[deft yew]

cough

[short walrus]

Epic

[stiff crow]

real.

[deft yew]

anyway can we talk about yharhar bullet hell roar

[short walrus]

Ratehr cringe I agree

[fossil finch]

Fake

Ultra fake

[stiff crow]

well like

a chunk of it

and by chunk I mean

[fossil finch]

still ultra fake

Clueless

[stiff crow]

anywas

off to mod terai

[stiff crow]

dude I downloaded the source code and it was just a folder with a single text file. Idfk how the fuck I'm going to do this

[frosty trellis]

I'm no modder so idk either, sorry

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

@dapper violet the :P are unnecessary

and I find it odd that the arsenal things aren't researchable yet the materials they're made from are totally researchable

#suggestions-posting message

@cold sundial and that's how you melt the coin

[cold sundial]

melt?

[dapper violet]

Yeah
The Dynamic Pursuer can be researched
Why not the other Draedon weapons