just make it so you eventually get to explore john wulfrum's secret base to reveal the origin/who the creator is
#suggestions-discussion
small timber
fossil finch
No
hybrid musk
yes
fossil finch
anyways they don't need any more lore
drowsy plank
john wulfrum is just one of the bajillion skeletons in the vanilla structures
hybrid musk
but the fact is that the world is relevant since that's where the player's story takes place, and this implies that someone built them to defend and patrol something
drowsy plank
there lore explained
fossil finch
but the fact is that the world is relevant since that's where the player's story...
yeah and that something is no longer a thing in any way
drowsy plank
they were built to defend the houses that are now only underground (everyone died)
there that's your lore
quiet kernel
We need a reference to John Wulfrum, even if it would be the smallest piece of text
fossil finch
iban intends to have flavor in their tooltips but i don't think he'll add any sort of lore to them
the armor's appearence is a reference to john wulfrum already
he made this concept not too long ago because calvalplus intended to add john wulfrum as a boss
since then it's john wulfrum
drowsy plank
one of the ever
quiet kernel
Wait is that the face of our lord and savior John Wulfrum
fossil finch
he's wearing googles
quiet kernel
I will use the wulfrum set as vanity for ever
drowsy plank
guys i got it he's the steampunker's grandpa
there that's the entire lore. no more explination needed
quiet kernel
he's wearing googles
That beard and the glasses is enough
fossil finch
keep shitposting lore i think
hybrid musk
I'm not saying anything has to be complex, but the fact that wulfrum is such a prominent early game material, and it's consistently around through the entire game but there's nothing that it's thematically attached to, it just feels wrong to not have something
drowsy plank
you could say that about everything
quiet kernel
Its as shrimple as that
hybrid musk
slime lore
fossil finch
slime lore is 100% "this slime exists it is also composed of (ore)"
it also just so happens all ore slimes will be removed
@tulip elbow it will already drop from deathmode
did you think they were removing it or something
tulip elbow
I did not notice that
grim tusk
it also just so happens all ore slimes will be removed
(Eventually)
honest isle
so okay, this idea has been thrown around for a bit and well, eeeh tf2 crit sound is like eeeeeh so so and then i forgot all about it and myeah
soft quest
can we talk about how ass the biome crate chance is? literally sitting here for 10 minutes with 5 lines, 300 fishing power, and only got 2 boreal crates. Why are biome crates more rare than gold and titanium crates, doesn't make sense to me. Then on top of that its only a chance I get some ore from the crate, at which point I get less than 10 bars if i do get the chance.
fossil bronze
biome crates drop chest items
drowsy plank
you're fishing for cryonic?
fossil bronze
at a guaranteed chance iirc
soft quest
you're fishing for cryonic?
yeah
drowsy plank
i get fishing for the jungle bars like chloro, ueli, and perrenial, but i always have way more cryo than i know what to do with lmao
soft quest
ice biome has 0 for some reason, can cryonic spawn on crimson ice?
soft quest
gimme a sec
drowsy plank
kk
soft quest
kk
"CalamityModMusic",
"CalamityMod",
"SkippysWaves",
"BetterBlending",
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"Lights",
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drowsy plank
you ARE using begone evil
okay so
i had this same issue
and we made a guess it might've been that
though it could also be magic storage...
it was pink ice for me, not red ice, but either way, that does narrow it down a lot more, since everything else is different
soft quest
I would do ravager for cryonic but his prov buffed form is, wow
frosty trellis
I would do ravager for cryonic but his prov buffed form is, wow
Need to do buffed ravager for bloodflare core anyways if you want it/core of the blood god, might as well get it over with and get some bloodstone too
soft quest
Need to do buffed ravager for bloodflare core anyways if you want it/core of the...
technically hes not required at all for bloodstone cores
brimstone enemies, calamitas, and brimstone ele all drop bloodstone
frosty trellis
True
But bloodflare core and core of the blood god
Are amazing
And I use at least Cotbg every run
hollow shell
@swift bone Your suggestion is too specific and does not have enough if a reason why included.
Generally, suggestions here should be for overall ideas rather than how it should be exactly executed. The meat of a suggestion is the reasoning.
swift bone
fair enough, i'll change it to include a reason
frosty trellis
It's still too overly specific
swift bone
ok i've changed it a bit, take it with a grain of salt cuz I've been thinking about it a lot before i found this discord
frosty trellis
I think the whole point of "not overly specific" is to make it so you are not exactly suggesting what can be done, and let the devs have more creative freedom with what that could entail
A simple "make team attacks so it's not just a circle similar" would be fine (obviously a little more than that, but you get the point)
Suggesting exactly what those could be I believe is a no, since these are supposed to be broad and open to interpretation
swift bone
I think the whole point of "not overly specific" is to make it so you are not ex...
bro fair enough its done
frosty trellis
That is good
I like that better bc I hate the fight and having it not be a circle simulator and have interesting gimmicks would make the fight a lot more enjoyable
Just needs to be un- ❗ -d now
swift bone
but add death laser thats a must
swift bone
its all coming together now
drowsy plank
prof guards were reworked to be less of a pushover but now they suck in another way 
swift bone
Triple death rays that is a mini BLENDER
bro fine but dont make it like providence where if you're not stationary in the exact place whre the lasers dont hit you die
fossil finch
Fabsol did state that they were only "partly" reworked and that he still wanted to do stuff to them in the future so
frosty trellis
Ares blender makes you move
unborn oriole
Imagine the Guardians all joining in a mashed mass of nuggets, and then shooting you with a PROFANED DEATH-RAY OF THE PROTECTORS OF THE HOLY EMPRESS
proud quest
how much stars do you need to get your suggestion approved
unborn oriole
Oh
proud quest
is it a bad idea to suggest making darksun fragments and the 2 others appear on the map like the pillar fragments?
or has that already been suggested
fossil finch
It has and fragments showing up on the map isn't a calamity feature
proud quest
It has and fragments showing up on the map isn't a calamity feature
yeah i know
but it could just be more convenient and quality of life
yk
swift wharf
ceaseless hunger potions:
lyric halo
it's not??
oh it's vanities
damn, got me there
sorry about that, i'll delete it in that case
small timber
@inland saddle sorry for ping, rare ocassion that suggestion bot died
inland saddle
Fuck
Why does this always happen while I’m at work lol
Will be back up as soon as I get home
small timber
(it is fine)
inner anvil
Nycro coping right now.
small timber
I think it died awhile ago but ya only noticed it now, it is fine take your time, no rush
(sorry for pinging during work)
hollow idol
That's not fault of calamity
(what was it
fossil finch
Tiles not blending properly
hollow idol
Tiles not blending properly
@lyric halo somewhat fixed next update
lyric halo
oh nice!!
inland saddle
(sorry for pinging during work)
It’s fine lol
I wouldn’t respond if it was busy
Ping me as soon as you see it go offline because I don’t really check it’s status
thorn dock
@small timber does it make sense to delete the regenerator suggestion and repost it due to the bot being down? It probably will be posted with 4 other suggestions beeing the oldest and most coverd one.
hollow shell
I mean you can do that
All you're doin is delaying the transition into voting
small timber
<@290083110312214528> does it make sense to delete the regenerator suggestion an...
it will be posted once the bot got online
thorn dock
Cheating? It's rather the other way around. Usually you not have your sugg coverd by a couple others when it goes live
thorn dock
it will be posted once the bot got online
Ok
small timber
oh you mean so that the suggestion can be posted by itself? I dont think it really matter
depend on the time zone, for some people that is always the case anyway (wake up, have multiple suggestions already in posting at once)
fossil finch
Cheating? It's rather the other way around. Usually you not have your sugg cove...
Usually you kinda do
thorn dock
I thought the bot usually always posts after 24h hours. So usually you have time where your post is the newest in the feed. This time he might get posted but with 4 other Suggs at the same time. Your post will be furthest away among them.
thorn dock
😬 🙏
rugged belfry
Make it possible to disable some innovations in the mod settings or simply remove these things from the mod
Don't tell anyone I told you this, but you can throw away the boss summon after using it to replicate it being consumed 😉
delicate sun
post-ML / post-profaned goddess, maybe add a rogue build that branches off the end-game stealth build, for something more rapid-fire dps focused? don't get me wrong i love stealth gameplay and it feels incredibly rewarding, but why do end-game weapons such as the kunais, executioner's blade, jaws of oblivion, etc feel like they should be used for DPS, rather than stealth strikes?
of course, all the end-game rogue weapons are basically stealth-only at that point, but it makes the inclusion of the aforementioned weapons a bit confusing when, by that point, you're pretty much starting to focus on stealth alone
small timber
post-ML / post-profaned goddess, maybe add a rogue build that branches off the e...
because to certain degree all rogue weapons are balanced to benefit the most from stealth strike (though not every weapon is perfectly balanced of course)
I dont know how to explain this, but not using stealth strike is the equivalent of using silver bullet for every single gun in your playthrough and never upgrade bullets, it is not intended;
you are supposed to upgrade your bullets alongside the weapon, i.e. use stealth strike
so yes, rogue weapons being stronger (and you are supposed to use) stealth strike is intended; just not every weapon is balanced enough to the point where every weapon have bigger payout of stealth strike than spam
because post-ML stealth regen is so absurdly high that you can use a lot of stealth strike, so it is hard to balance around that
delicate sun
i see, yeah once you build up those stealth accessories, you get higher damage from even the kunais using stealth
although, when using weapons with SUPER fast fire-rate, i tend to use up all my stealth in one click (even with DG's sheath), which kinda messes up using stealth
since something like executioners can fire twice in one click, if you're not fast enough
small timber
i see, yeah once you build up those stealth accessories, you get higher damage f...
ya that are basically "clockwork weapon" (or the devs call them that), basically weapons that function similar to clockwork assault rifle: weapons that attack multiple time even if you click one time
so it is not really that they used up all stealth (wasted in that sense), it is more that they do 2 attacks at once therefore spent 2x50% stealth
it is not really fixable unless the devs change how they function, since even if you have lightning fast finger they always fire 2 times in 1 click, it is just how they are coded
delicate sun
hmmm i see
small timber
but ya, tldr I do think there are some accessories that do benefit spam (somewhat) already, just they also benefit stealth
nanotech, venerated locket, glove of recklessness, to name a few that I know
glacial crater
Change how the Storm Weavers first phase works
Storm Weaver is by far the hardest Sentinel - so it makes no sense to make the boss that needs the most attempts the most tedious to make an attempt on. The first phase is time-consuming whos only value is making Adren stalling easier
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lets fucking GOOOOOOOO
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proud quest
Finally the game breaking mounted scanner issue can be fixed
what issue
thorny sapphire
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This one
small timber
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oh this barely got enough
proud quest
oh
hollow shell
@glacial crater Kinda strange to use SW's difficulty as part of your reasoning and also mention Adrenaline stalling
Doesn't make it clear whether the first phase makes the fight easier or harder
soft quest
I really like that regenerator suggestion xpc. But for items that give you bonuses over a certain health threshold what would it do?
hollow shell
Over? Then it wouldn't be useful for those
small timber
I really like that regenerator suggestion xpc. But for items that give you bonus...
what are the example of items like these? I think it is quite rare actually
the only one that come to my mind is The Bee
soft quest
For example the bee, which reduces your first hit by 50%
small timber
I think in that case probably don't use the two together? since The Bee your aim is to not get hit at all (and save you when you do get hit); while Regenator is you trade max HP for a lot of recovery
generally I feel Regenator in many case is more for tanks (despite its downside being contradict to it), by allowing fast recovery; and The Bee is for 'nohitter' mostly
soft quest
On the contrary the fast regeneration means you can get your health back to full faster enabling the bees upside
This is a synergy I’ve theorized, but have never tested
small timber
that one can be a bit weird, but ya I guess when the suggestion gets enough vote then it should be addressed by then
glacial crater
<@796081960115765259> Kinda strange to use SW's difficulty as part of your reaso...
the first phase makes the fight take longer
small timber
since for me the two items are for complete opposite builds so I didn't considered about that
glacial crater
for no reason
since its very easy to dodge all first phase attacks at this point in the game
soft quest
You can’t tank that well with the regenerator
glacial crater
and it adds to the downtime between attempts
soft quest
You still need to have top notch dodging skills because 2 hits can end you easily
hollow shell
You prolly don't wanna mention adren stalling then, cuz that makes it seem like a good thing that Phase 1 exists, that you can use it to mitigate Phase 2's difficulty
small timber
or you know, you can just say make SW Phase 1 last shorter
it used to be 10% HP, now it is 20%
since Phase 1 is pretty much just circle, and the new Phase 1 force circle even more
soft quest
Storm weaver phase two is so hard for me
small timber
You can’t tank *that* well with the regenerator
which is partially why I thought of the idea to make it benefit for low life, for example things like Frozen Shield will work on it now
but ya tbh I didn't consider of The Bee specifically
glacial crater
You prolly don't wanna mention adren stalling then, cuz that makes it seem like ...
that just undermines the whole point of the boss fight though
soft quest
Yeah, the positives of your suggestion outweigh the two accessories that would be negatively affected
small timber
just for curiosity what is the other one? since I cant really think of another accessory that benefit on high hp
small timber
oh right that one, though that one also give a different benefit on low hp
hollow shell
that just undermines the whole point of the boss fight though
Elaborate
rugged belfry
Doesnt hive minds accessory give you damage over 75% hours
Below 75%
small timber
this one will be affected ya
rugged belfry
Being above 75% life grants 10% increased damage
on the upside is you do get some benefit at low hp ya
soft quest
Isn’t yharims insignia also similar to this? I remember one endgame accessory doing something like that
small timber
insignia is below 50% grant 10% damage
small timber
since there is much more risk associated with low life than high life ya
to certain degree high life is nohit/you already doing well, so it become win more accessory
The Bee avoids that problem by being a purely defensive accessory at that
oh wait it do give damage, though it is really hard to stack damage reduction that early on
soft quest
Semi related but it would be cool if there were an item that would proc your “on hit” effects, like panic necklace, claw carapace, star viel, beeswax, etc.
Without taking damage
Like trading 10% rage for it
frozen hornet
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small timber
probably a bit abusable tbh, basically only star veil will benefit on it
most other onhit effect (except maybe scoria armor set bonus) is really lackluster
soft quest
Hmmmmm amidias spark would be cool
rugged belfry
Yes, the floor.
soft quest
but damn it is GARBAGE
spring sail
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Man when I saw 3 pings I thought 2.0.1 is out or sth
glacial crater
Man when I saw 3 pings I thought 2.0.1 is out or sth
small timber
I dont think laudanum is weak tbh, it is very strong in fact, just it is very niche
you pretty much have to know exactly what debuffs the enemy is using and use laudanum to counter it
hollow shell
But I also love Laud's current effects and would be sad to see em go
yeah
It is better than Ankh Charm/Shield
(in most cases)
tropic sleet
I like Laudandums effect also, as they are very unique, but not really a rev+ item
small timber
many of these effect are actually very goated, currently I think you can get Frost Golem one (slow) and/or Corruptor one (weak) pretty consistently
others are ya, specific counter accessory
tbh I am waiting for the update to drop so I can put a suggestion about moving adrenaline and rage to all mode, since the difficulty toggles are changed
basically make adrenaline/rage something you can freely toggle on/off on normal/expert, while by default on for rev/death but can also be turn off
so we can make more interesting items that affect adrenaline and rage without player complaining about difficulty lock, and do fit calamity's current approach towards non-difficulty lock features
tropic sleet
I see laudandum as a good accesory for normal gameplay, but most bosses won't give any of the debuffs given (there are exceptions, but still)
hollow shell
I dunno if it would benefit the suggestion objectively
but it would put me at ease
if it included a bit about how Laudanum's current effects could get re-used for a different accessory, so they would not be lost even when reworking the item itself to be Rev-focused
sly root
Mutated Truffle is useless. Why not change it into a mount like Shrimpy Truffle.
frail mantle
i believe i remember OD's drops being specifically intended to not be the same as Fishron's drops but stronger
small timber
why not BUFF mutated truffle, instead of making it into something completely different
frail mantle
a gun instead of a bow, an accessory instead of a mount, a staff instead of a tome and a magic gun etc.
sly root
Oh...
thorn dock
It's a pretty unique item and therefore I kinda like it a lot. It would be pretty sad to have it removed in my opinion
sly root
It says that what means "BUFF mutated truffle"?
covert nova
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Wait it actually got enough votes-
because
actually you can find it in the hell draedon lab
which i didnt realize prior to making the suggestion
small timber
people likes their crafting recipes
grim tusk
And getting to hell lab early is a pain in the ass
(Altho extractinator is also quite common in desert UG)
(Very useful for fossil crafts)
hot zephyr
If you somehow do not get forty goddamn billion Extractinators just touching the Underground Desert I pray for your cosmically horrible RNG
Every single playthrough where I interact with the desert content, I get absolutely buried in those
And you only ever need one 
rancid gust
Had an idea about adding more ambient entities (https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Ambient_entities) but surely that's already a dev plan right?
short walrus
should be fair game
keen drum
This is a synergy I’ve theorized, but have never tested
seems like a fun build
along with the core of the blood god and bloodflare core
radiant meadow
Laudanum used to interact with the Horror debuff specifically
(Horror has since been removed)
true inlet
@glacial crater the firsg phase lasts like 5 seconds and all classes have some pierce weapon that obliterates the worm in 2 seconds, I'd say signus harder
cause what always happens is
weaver spawns, you hit the tail 2 times (it takes More damage), armor gone, you take a high Pierce weapon, dead
drowsy plank
laud being ankh shield 2 is kinda funny, but shield also has KB res and bonus defense, so having some bonus to differentiate it from that could be neat
night jolt
Something bugs me about that Regenator suggestion
Wouldn't it also make potions Lifeforce potions completely useless and heavily nerf a lot of accessories?
small timber
Wouldn't it also make potions Lifeforce potions completely useless and heavily n...
functionality it should be exactly the same
since previously the regenator max HP reduction is multiplicative after all other bonus, I will double check
since I remember all HP reduction effect are multiplicative, even including the effigy one (which bugged me)
swift wharf
It should make you go from 250/500 -> 300/600 hp with lifeforce pots
If it locked you at half hp that is
small timber
actually no, regenator only affect your base HP currently (500 max hp, +100 from 20% life force; expected value = 600/2 = 300; but currently it is 350 max hp, which is 500/2 + 100 = 350)
huh, never expected that, since effigy buff is multiplicative
even effigy is affect base HP now
ok I think it is because at some point they nerfed all the HP multiplicative bonus, (eg: core of blood god/community no longer amplify the flat HP you get from say Asgard's Valor), but it probably also applied to negative/HP reduction effect
this also affected blood pact where it only double your base hp now, previously it just x2 your max hp after all buffs
well that is not something I expected
ok in that case they probably have to buff regenator itself if the suggestion go through then
(though you do have increased HP regen and a permanent frozen turtle shell effect)
swift wharf
huh
small timber
although at the very least theoritically, it should still be a buff, since your life regen scale with your max hp (as life regen get weaker when you are near max hp, the faster you reach max hp = weaker life regen)
with the change since you are always very far away from max hp you should regen much quicker than currently
swift wharf
Yeah
thorn dock
Regenator suggestion looks very promising for far
polar mural
Had an idea for a suggestion when i was half asleep but it was a boss one so couldn't put it in.
polar mural
nah, the thing for the suggestions posting just directly says dont suggest bosses
drowsy plank
i meant you can make suggestions pertaining to existing bosses, but yeah, even if that wasn't there calamity doesn't need any more bosses lol
polar mural
yeah it was just an idea for a new one
keen drum
Regenator suggestion looks very promising for far
its a really good one
fossil finch
i think yharim's music should be epic and stress inducing
swift wharf
I think that people should read the suggestion doc
fossil finch
it may be the end of your journey but it's also gonna be the end of his life
it may be the end of a reign of terror but it's also not a fight he's going to give you for free
fossil finch
Yharim is by all means The End and you do not deserve what comes after the end if you cannot pass through him
the real thing here is me just bullshitting reasons why i disagree
trolle
sand ermine
doesnt the yharim sugg count as future sugg
fossil finch
it does
swift wharf
@open meadow
open meadow
<@174356518961938433>
I understand. Though my suggestion isn't something that could easily be fixed once it has been released, it would have to be determined early on.
hollow shell
We'll see when we get there
It's literally years down the line
(I personally feel the theme should be pretty somber, like DS3 Soul of Cinder Phase 2 (or just straight up Gwyn's theme)
or the final movement of Star Conquering Traveler from Kirby Star Allies (that is, after the intro)
or Homestuck's Heir of Grief
or Hollow Knight's THK and Pure Vessel themes
Considering Yharim is completely disillusioned to his own power; his empire dissolved after he experienced the sobering reality that his conquest was meaningless
And the fight takes place after he let you kill his lifelong companion)
(Pretty sad context)
fossil finch
i will now also keep my ramble that is simply poorly excusing my opinion in that, if noxus and xeroc do end up existing, xeroc's theme would fit as more upbeat and hopeful
Both because he stands for things mostly perceived as "positive" (Light, order, creation) and because he'd actually be the true end of the journey+nothing is being fought for there, it'd be more of a spar
Also unrelated but i imagine xeroc would go light and order while noxus goes darkness and chaos and their themes have a similar duality galeem and darkhon's themes do in ssbu
swift wharf
if xeroc theme isn't breakcore I'll cry
fossil finch
also because the idea of something otherworldy and extraneous to the planet having "silly otherwordly upbeat beats to beat god to" is funny
for yharim i'd want a somber royalty theme
proud quest
will i get pinged if my suggestion gets denied by a developer like how i get pinged when its accepted?
hollow shell
Yes
Also I'm not really sure what this suggestion is talking about
Are you using the word "vanity" to refer to it just cuz it's a cosmetic furniture item?
proud quest
Are you using the word "vanity" to refer to it just cuz it's a *cosmetic* furnit...
yeah yeah
like when i walk away from it it turns off and when i walk to it it turns on
hollow shell
Yeah it's proximity-based iirc
proud quest
is it meant to be like that
hollow shell
It is supposed to turn on when you get close, and turn off when you get far, yes
It should just be a circular radius around the projector
(maybe a rectangle)
Are you experiencing something that isn't that?
Or did you just, not understand that that's what the deal was
drowsy plank
(I personally feel the theme should be pretty somber, like DS3 Soul of Cinder Ph...
wtf rover based music tastes
swift wharf
what the hell
inner anvil
@fringe axle Ichor is fixed next update anyways.
fringe axle
Ah, fair
Just going random thoughts
I was trying to think of a way to also make it scaleable via upgrades if Ichor wasn’t fixed
(Edited that part in after the fact, but got rid of now because ichor is fixed)
keen zodiac
i will now also keep my ramble that is simply poorly excusing my opinion in that...
noxus and xeroc are confirmed
fossil finch
They're not at all
Their actual existence as bosses is dependant on a lot of things nobody can count on by whatever time yharim's done
Not yet at least
hollow shell
You're not wrong I suppose
The actual execution of the fights is still greatly subject to change
quartz magnet
what if king slime was guaranteed to drop crown jewel if you kill the crown jewel in the fight before king slime dies? just a thought lmao
hollow shell
I think we actually do have plans for that already
If not already in the mod
hollow shell
Dange
quartz magnet
"dange"
proud quest
Or did you just, not understand that that's what the deal was
I didnt understand that it was intentional tbh
mb
hollow shell
Now this is a suggestion I can agree with
hollow shell
Though it may be a bit redundant with this suggestion
proud quest
Though it may be a bit redundant with this suggestion
oh
hollow shell
Nearly a week old though
proud quest
yeah ill remove second part
also they should add more things to buy in general to fully solve this problem
swift wharf
Not really
proud quest
compared to hardmode there are like only 8 new things to buy in post moonlord and most of them are from the rogue lady
swift wharf
Making current items more worthy would be better than adding more items to shops imo
proud quest
Making current items more worthy would be better than adding more items to shops...
wdym
swift wharf
like
making money more worth instead of just adding more items in shop
but that's just my opinion and your point can still work
swift wharf
one without reasoning it seems
scarlet lantern
well graveyards were introduced and NPCs sell new stuff there and they already sell their weapons and well thought this would be a good idea
hollow shell
That's, still pretty minimal reasoning
I've got one for you
"In vanilla, the NPCs drop those items when they're killed. So, it'd be pretty fitting for them to sell those items in a graveyard, where death is all around them."
(though it'd also be nice to include why them selling their weapons at all times is an issue, if it is an issue)
crude geode
Dryad shop 
swift wharf
hollow shell
Dryad's shop is cleaner than it's ever been thanks to moving her evil sells to being Graveyard crafts
swift wharf
I need to uninstall qol mods 
hollow shell
swift wharf
good
very good
cobalt pewter
hm, I haven't checked graveyard crafts yet, but are any of other evil boss drops swappable in graveyard
hollow shell
These are the ones we add
Basically, BoC/EoW drops and the Shadow Orb/Crimson Heart drops
I assume you were implying Perfs/Hive Mind
cobalt pewter
I was referring to both tiers but that's good info nonetheless
scarlet lantern
"In vanilla, the NPCs drop those items when they're killed. So, it'd be pretty f...
sounds better
didn't modify it anyway though
ashen warren
Didn't get enough votes
Want me to ping you when it gets to #suggestions-voting? :3
frosty trellis
Nah, I will see it
ashen warren
Aighty.
Hopefully it does get noticed! Maybe it's just sheer luck, but a lot of my suggestions have gotten a ton of votes so far.
frosty trellis
I tried and it didn't get enough
small timber
that is not like no vote tbh
ashen warren
It's actually funny because according to an older suggestion in 2020, it used to not be activated by the Potion hotkey even: #suggestions-voting message
small timber
it is probably more that people dont know bloodfin exist, since it dont drop from providence
ashen warren
It's very niche and you have to go out of your way to get it, I agree. Most people will never find out about it without the wiki or sheer coincidence.
I simply hope that the developers check suggestions regardless of just votes as well. There are some pretty good ones that might not get noticed otherwise.
frozen hornet
Wouldn't it be a better idea to report that as a bug than going through the suggestion process
ripe owl
The transparency bug will be fixed. The DoG being able to eat you while you can't do shit to it - won't
The main point is the head dealing damage, not the bug
ruby plover
cobalt rose
very important for the experience
sand ermine
what cat would calamitas own
golden tulip
one of those naked sphynx cats
that mafia bosses have on their lap when they turn around menacingly on their chair
frozen hornet
She would have some creepy as shit necro cats
hot zephyr
hollow idol
what cat would calamitas own
frozen hornet
sand ermine
How Did This Happen.
tardy smelt
)
north oracle
I fully support the suggestion about adding cats
rugged belfry
I tried and it didn't get enough
I mean, they can still try as well
rugged belfry
I fully support the suggestion about adding cats
Agreed
short walrus
mmm
neat linden
I love not reading the pins before posting a suggestion
Then posting only a 2 word suggestion with no formatting and no reasoning at all
Fixed by them but next time post the entire suggestion in one go
If it's so bad, killtime comparisons please
cobalt pewter
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583454457862422528/988662111368515584/u...
wtf flying cat
first off isn't Seraphim a rogue weapon? why'd you lump it with melee weapons?
swift wharf
it is
@worthy mantle suggesting weapon balance is a don't since you can ping a tester (in the pins) instead
swift wharf
https://discord.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1010522853482...
+this lmao
hot zephyr
zenith will remain unchanged
distant gyro
another buff zenith suggestion to decline aaa
cobalt pewter
incredible
hot zephyr
it's the low risk low reward powerhouse
small timber
no need to decline when it get ❗
hot zephyr
considering zenith is around a ~7:00 emech killtime with a generic testing setup it's fine as-is
small timber
isnt ~7:00 absurdly long? I thought it is ~4:30 for average exo mechs
distant gyro
it's 6
small timber
oh right 4:30 is scal
eternal escarp
hot zephyr
zenith should never be the first-choice for auric tier
world's most boring "melee" weapon
small timber
ya way too easy to use
rancid gust
Had an idea about adding more ambient entities (https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Am...
Add more ambient entities
Terraria Journey's End created ambient entities to make it so the game feels a lot more alive and pretty in general, and I feel like it'd be a great idea for Calamity to do the same and add more flavour to the world and also be consistent with 1.4.
A few examples of that would be special clouds of relevant figures from the mod, having the Astral Meteor be visible falling in the background upon entering hardmode or defeating Astrum Aureus, and certain creatures or objects passing by in the background in certain biomes at certain times, such as Scryllars in the Brimstone Crags or maybe even the Devourer of Gods seen in space.
Is that good to post?
or maybe too specific?
small timber
cant really be not specific for cosmetic stuff like this so I guess is fine?
rancid gust
These examples are mostly so people have any idea what i'm talking about lma
i don't know why they decided to name it ambient entities but that's how they're called on the wiki
short walrus
should be fine
rancid gust
I'll go ahead and post it then
cobalt pewter
this doesn't seem like a bad sugg
eternal escarp
cant really be not specific for cosmetic stuff like this so I guess is fine?
it isnt that specific tbf
those are all examples of what can be done, not the specific suggestion they ask for
so ye sugg is fine (and pretty cool and good imo
rancid gust
I did see this one and in fact even voted on it
I wouldn't say they're really similar
swift wharf
yeah this one covers up more stuff
rancid gust
what i'm trying to achieve is bring attention to ambient entities and then have them be expanded
swift wharf
best ending is both getting accepted 
rancid gust
I love the small stuff 1.4 added such as a lot of new critters and making the game more pretty overall, and it'd be kinda lame for these things to go unnoticed on mods
rancid gust
best ending is both getting accepted <:ultimatesmug:807498328693669918>
real
swift wharf
what the hell
rancid gust
Yeah that makes sense
swift wharf
just make your own support clearly
rancid gust
I remember there being talk about Calamity achievements and these would be awesome but then no support happened
ashen warren
tmod needs to support them first 
cobalt pewter
ambient dog during the downtime between p1 and p2 would be funny
though I think a nice ambient would be a subtle rise of light from the ground in the bg when yharon dies, basically telling you to mine auric in a cool way
frosty trellis
Sees the Zenith suggestion
As someone who has actually tested melee weapons, Ark is overpreforming on SCal by a lot (and the devs are aware of this) but Zenith and Ataraxia have comparable kill times for SCal and on par for the SCal kill time of 5 minutes. That and it's one of the two best melee weapons for exo twins, other being burning sky
frosty trellis
though I think a nice ambient would be a subtle rise of light from the ground in...
That would be cool
half sage
zenith go brrr on ares
frosty trellis
Ark does more to Ares
Ark is actually overall fine on exos
Just on SCal it's overtuned
frosty trellis
Sick
Once the update comes out I shall try it out again and see (and once I get time lol)
rugged spindle
What do yall think about my pbg suggestion
grim tusk
What do yall think about my pbg suggestion
You havent fought the boss much havent you?
frosty trellis
PBG is fairly predictable
grim tusk
Or are running glass and due to that not having enough mobility
frosty trellis
The only annoying part about the boss is the nuke barrage
rugged spindle
Yeah I hage
still zodiac
even then you can fly over the nuke barrage if you move correctly
rugged spindle
It's just an annoying boss to play its not fun at all
still zodiac
you kinda just circle it
frosty trellis
Speed and dashes are actually really easy to tell and you can just Asgard's valor ram through them
frosty trellis
even then you can fly over the nuke barrage if you move correctly
I just move in one direction and it usually is fine
still zodiac
that also works
frosty trellis
I used to hate PBG
But it's actually pretty predictable if you don't overthink it
still zodiac
byeah, I kind of disagree with the sugg. The main issues with pbg are generally the ones you get used to after some time or with proper accessories
rugged spindle
It's not fun for first timers at all
frosty trellis
The mod isn't supposed to be easy
rugged spindle
All I gotta say
still zodiac
provi is also often a roadblock
grim tusk
Post-Golem is where the game starts to get hard
frosty trellis
^
grim tusk
All the bosses there I feel that serve as checks for not putting all of your accessories into one stat
frosty trellis
Yeah
fossil finch
i dont think you should be speaking in absolutes
rugged spindle
Ik but I could first time deus and providence my first meele playthrough
frosty trellis
More of a balanced build is best for PBG
fossil finch
it was fun for me when i was a first timer and probably for many other people too
still zodiac
Ik but I could first time deus and providence my first meele playthrough
yeah and other players could first time pbg and be stuck on provi
frosty trellis
I hated PBG but it was like, the hardest boss I fought until profaned Guardians
PBG I just got used too
fossil finch
all and all pbg was never very hard to me
fossil finch
her dashes have very easy to understand tells and her projectiles aren't that messy
frosty trellis
Profaned Guardians I wasn't aware I was supposed to circle them, so I was basically just running, flying and dashing a lot until they finally didn't dash lock me
swift wharf
pbg takes a little to learn
rugged spindle
Lmao
swift wharf
but the boss is fine
frosty trellis
Prof guardians aren't too bad for me now
But it's not clear at all you are supposed to circle them
inner anvil
Profaned Guardians are not the cake walk they used to be
😒
grim tusk
:troll:
frosty trellis
Ic
Back then I still had never beaten ML on expert mode kek, so I wasn't exactly having a ton of skill and was playing on just regular expert as well
cobalt pewter
PBG has more pressing issues tbh, but then again iban said she'll be resprited
frosty trellis
PBG is just Queen bee but post-golem and with nukes
swift wharf
Mfw the first thing that comes to mind is suggesting to nerf the boss instead of asking for help
frosty trellis
Although I will say I do skip PBG entirely depending on the playthough
frosty trellis
Since she isn't worth it for melee/mage
frosty trellis
I want rogue weapon
Malachite?
rugged spindle
Yeah
frosty trellis
That thing will carry you to polter
rugged spindle
Thats why I want it
frosty trellis
It's like, stupidly overpowered rn
rugged spindle
Should I use talisman for it
drowsy plank
the only gripe i could possibly fathom for PBG is that, unless you know her attacks, or figure out her audio cues quickly, it can sometimes be hard to tell when she's dashing. QB has the same issue, and i wouldnt mind some kind of "dash prep" sprite to make it more obvious, but it's really only a problem if you're brand new to the fight, since she kinda hovers at the dash distance during some of her other attacks too, so it can be a bit hard to read without prior knowledge. but overall PBG is a pretty fair fight, just make sure you have an adequate arena
frosty trellis
^
small timber
out of all the bosses that may be overtuned, PBG is definitely not one of them
frosty trellis
The Dashes I actually figured out pretty quickly since if she is around my height I just brace for a dash
rugged spindle
I just don't think that
frosty trellis
The Dashes I actually figured out pretty quickly since if she is around my heigh...
Since until the last bit of health they aren't fast
frosty trellis
out of all the bosses that may be overtuned, PBG is definitely not one of them
Now what bosses are that's not PG
eternal escarp
cant be bothered to read this so i am just gonna ask
cobalt pewter
I think since PBG is a lot more mechanical, giving her a guiding laser when she's prepping for a dash would make more sense and probably be better
eternal escarp
did people already talk about difficulty is subjective and practicing a boss before suggesting nerfs
cobalt pewter
a long laser trying to line up with you would be pretty obvious
small timber
I think the only one that is objectively true is the dash is janky, since I dont know which patch PBG do a lot more vertical dash
as in literally, it dash when it is right above you and dash down
eternal escarp
that was a bug iirc
frosty trellis
Diagonal dashes are a bug?
eternal escarp
not diagonals
straight verticals
if they still happen then its likely under very specific circumstances
frosty trellis
I have not ever seen a straight vertical dash from her
eternal escarp
its a 10% drop
eternal escarp
I have not ever seen a straight vertical dash from her
neither have i
small timber
I think it is especially evident if you try to fly up when PBG is trying to dash from a top left/right position
frosty trellis
For Malachite
eternal escarp
but i know of one guy who had it happen once in older patches
small timber
or if you use tesla potion
frosty trellis
I think it is especially evident if you try to fly up when PBG is trying to dash...
That just sounds like she dashed diagonally downwards
eternal escarp
lo
frosty trellis
Which I thought was just normal and needed to be accounted for
small timber
I dont think guiding line particularly fit for PBG dash? feels maybe sound telegraph fits much better
frosty trellis
^
main hatch
^
eternal escarp
i personally see the literaly movement she uses to allign for a dash to be a good enough telegraph but idk 
cobalt pewter
I think visual cue should be a priority over auditory to me, not everyone can play with sounds
while you can't even play the game if you can't see
frosty trellis
I see your point
rugged spindle
Second time got it
frosty trellis
And I raise Yharon
rugged spindle
Tha ms for the help guys
frosty trellis
Np
frosty trellis
And I raise Yharon
Who is all about the auditorial cues and telefrag problems on death
cobalt pewter
Yharon is Yharon, it's a whole can of worms in itself
frosty trellis
Just saying
Bosses auditorial cues have been prioritized in the past
With stuff like Yharon
And with PBG it makes more sense for her to have an auditorial cue when she already has a couple
small timber
I always feel audio telegraph is just much more intuitive than visual (particularly line)
always feel line should only be used when there is no other option that fits tbh
frosty trellis
Agreed there
safe oasis
I always feel audio telegraph is just much more intuitive than visual (particula...
problem with audio telegraph is that it sucks for people with hearing issues or people who just prefer to have terraria muted
small timber
problem with audio telegraph is that it sucks for people with hearing issues or ...
people will also have problem seeing visual telegraph if they are playing on 400x200p, that is not really a good argument
safe oasis
the difference is that nobody plays on 400x200, a lot of people play without game sound
myself included
small timber
the thing is there are also a lot of people playing with audio on, myself included so audio telegraph is no problem to me
now you see how flawed argument like this can be
safe oasis
no i really don't
small timber
you cannot really say that something is not fit if you actively neglect one part of the game
safe oasis
??
my bad for trying to make the game accessible for more people and in more environments i guess
drowsy plank
there's a point where accessibility and detrimentally bloating the fight with telegraphs exists, and while i personally do not give a shit about whether the trace line for dashes is added or not, and do not think it crosses said line, i understand where xpc is coming from at least
i dont agree in this particular situation
but i get it
small timber
sorry I didn't realise the wording I used might come off as a bit offensive, but ya the tldr is you cant really complain about something added not fitting for everyone when a big part of the game is turned off
things like yharon charge roar telegraph are the most prominent, as the roar already is a good indicator that the charge is coming, in cases like this I don't feel there is need to still use tracer line as visual telegraph on top of that, it is abit redundant
what it need is pretty much just more accurate sound telegraph, as currently only long dash is telegraphed properly
safe oasis
the thing with the yharon roar is that it's possible to know it's coming without the sound, having something purely sound based is wacko
a sound cue is fine as long as there's another (subtle) way of knowing
small timber
in general I feel for cases like these a more intuitive visual telegraph will be more fitting than tracer lines (since it is the same case for yharon, where you can see yharon's mouth opening for the roar before charge)
things like maybe PBG having its jetpack opening up (alongside sound telegraph), something like that, rather than just a line telegraphing the entire charging path
but ya, personally I am just really against using lines for telegraph unless there is absolutely no way around it, especially in cases like this where many other options are available
frosty trellis
I agree wholeheartedly with xpc here
Also, some people have notsogreat computers and can't play at the normal 1960/1080 res bc their computers can't handle that, and yet they got by (hell I didn't even know how to change my resolution for awhile so I was playing like, 2-3 resolution settings down from max and still was able to manage)
Auditory cues were a huge help in that regard, since the resolution wasn't the best to see all the visual cues (and as a newer player, auditorial cues are much easier to learn)
golden tulip
cnidr spawning in the ocean is a bug afaik
one that was already attempted to be fixed
woven elm
would be a shame to let such a funny bug go to waste tho
golden tulip
shrug
hot zephyr
primal plank
Why does zenith feel very weak by the time you get it ?
Like post yharon fr
hot zephyr
it's the low-risk low reward low effort weapon
golden tulip
low effort
hot zephyr
also most of the other melee weapons are overtuned and getting nerfed in the next update
golden tulip
huh
hot zephyr
primal plank
Shouldn't it atleast be post polterghast
golden tulip
wdym low effort
primal plank
also most of the other melee weapons are overtuned and getting nerfed in the nex...
Oh well
quiet kernel
wdym low effort
Point and hold left click
fossil finch
<:troll:860219727712354315>
cnidrion turly the arrior of past ages so real
inner anvil
Shouldn't it atleast be post polterghast
Testers tested it, and it was as strong as an Auric weapon.
Shrug.
golden tulip
doesnt the "low-risk" get across the same point
inner anvil
That's the joke!
primal plank
Point and hold left click
Thats the deal with litterly all the weapons
primal plank
looks pretty cool at least
Yeah
golden tulip
stream gouge also got reworked to simply look cooler
and its still just hold lmb
why is it not a bad thing in this case
gray nebula
hot zephyr
hog ridaaaa
frail mantle
hog ridaaaaa
hot zephyr
and its still just hold lmb
still requires more aim than zenith
woven elm
oh my god that's adorable
golden tulip
still requires more aim than zenith <:XDoge:1006936881109414080>
god forbids someone likes zenith right
inner anvil
Zenith is a eough.
hot zephyr
god forbids someone likes zenith right
exactly
golden tulip
yea great
frail mantle
zenith is one of the weapons ever
gray nebula
sulfurous cnidrion was
i forgot who made it
probably not inanis but maybe him
that or anoanteras
cobalt pewter
and its still just hold lmb
offtopic but honestly as overtuned as Tracking Disk is atm, its extension tech (basically using mobility to dodge the returning projectile thus making it go out for longer) is what makes the weapon very fun to use
unfortunately you can't really do that vs wof, ass boss
frosty trellis
also most of the other melee weapons are overtuned and getting nerfed in the nex...
Most? Really? I thought by the numbers I showed you Ark and Burning Sky we're the offenders. Did I miss something ?
small timber
Apparently scal average kill time is 5:00 I think
frosty trellis
Yeah
Ark has 4:1x, Burning Sky 4:3x
Everything else besides Oracle was around 5
hot zephyr
ark got a damage nerf and lost melee speed modifiers
ataraxia got a damage nerf but an extra projectile update
frosty trellis
Extra projectile update? Yo?
small timber
I dont feel ark should get too nerfed tbh, all in all it is still a very hard to use weapon
frosty trellis
Ataraxia no longer absolutely nightmarish to use outside of SCal?
small timber
Namely to use it properly
frosty trellis
Zenith is perfectly fine for SCal and exos
fossil finch
it inherits none of the properties of its predecessors
small timber
Zenith will melt polter, like, no contest
Zenith is one of the best weapon against DoG (yes I had stat)
Zenith will never work against Yharon by design, if you want it to work you will need to massively buff zenith
And Zenith is fine against Scal, about average against Exo
hot zephyr
another buff zenith suggestion to decline aaa
.
distant gyro
idk why people are insistent on pushing zenith on the bosses that it's not supposed to be viable on
fossil finch
so true
frosty trellis
Zenith is like, arguably the best melee weapon for Exo twins right mow
And does work against Ares
distant gyro
like "lol it's not good against yharon but i would like to see it post-dog"
frosty trellis
Thanatos not so much, but like, as melee, if you aren't using dragons rage/the enforcer on Thanatos, that's kinda on you
neat linden
Zenith is like, arguably the best melee weapon for Exo twins right mow
it is great yes
burning sky is also up there
karmic light
Everyone here complaining about Zenith like the melee class even has relevance compared to rogue, mage, summon and range.
frosty trellis
Zenith, Burning Sky, and Dragon Pow are generally the best for Exo Twins
Using Ark on exo twins is lik
small timber
Also the suggestion is just move zenith for lore reason (and the reasoning given do not make much sense to begin with) and ignore all balancing concern, so it will not work anyway
frosty trellis
Asking for death
Getting parries and not getting hit is a nightmare
For exo twins
hot zephyr
@hollow shell zenith for don'ts doc? i don't see us ever actually modifying zenith both in stats and recipe
frosty trellis
For SCal it's easy, for Ares it's also easy, and for Thanatos it's a joke to get parries
But Exos twins is like.....
karmic light
Make Zenith post ghast by making it require Ascendant Spirit Essences.
neat linden
Using ark on exo twins is like using oracle for brim hearts
karmic light
fossil finch
also i just read and
frosty trellis
~~Using ark on exo twins is like using oracle for brim hearts~~
LITERALLY THOUGH
fossil finch
phantoplasm is literally solidified raging soul of hatred
frosty trellis
Although Ark can actually kill exo twins
fossil finch
lol
neat linden
Oracle is like, not bad for exos and fairly eeeeech for scal
but for hearts?
do not
fossil finch
tying it to wow,., the soul of player and the swords is like trying to fuse with polterghast because it'd give your soul a +5 of strenght
frosty trellis
Oracle is by far the worst Auric tier weapon for SCal
frosty trellis
Oracle is by far the worst Auric tier weapon for SCal
It's not even a contest between the other Auric melee weapons
neat linden
does anyone have oracle killtimes
karmic light
Oracle is by far the worst Auric tier weapon for SCal
Well obviously, it's melee.
frosty trellis
Ark has 4:1x rn,
Burning Sky is 4:3x
Everything else is 5:0x/5:1x
Oracle is 6:1x
frosty trellis
My Oracle kill time with murasama for the hearts was 6:1x
hot zephyr
oracle got a 5:10 for mechs when I originally tested it back in 1.5's development
sleeper pick
neat linden
wait
frosty trellis
My Oracle kill time with murasama for the hearts was 6:1x
With murasama for the hearts*
In godmode using Oracle for the hearts tool 10:xx time
small timber
Oracle is really strong ya, just not for hearts, in my testing also not for seeker
small timber
For all other phases oracle is super strong performance
neat linden
I used Celestus for seekers and hearts and fucking Malachite for scal herself
my testing was probably meh but uhhm
neat linden
yes but comparison
small timber
Malachite do be a weapon in calamity mod
neat linden
if oracle and malachite get comparable killtimes then either
A) I messed up my testing
B) Malachite is hilariously broken to this degree
frosty trellis
For all other phases oracle is super strong performance
Oracle is decent for the brothers, but nothing to write home about
Oracle good for SCal herself though yeah
frosty trellis
if oracle and malachite get comparable killtimes then either
A) I messed up my t...
The latter
neat linden
as expected
frosty trellis
Stealth malachite is being burned to the ground next update
hot zephyr
i haven't tested oracle in awhile but it's probably overpowered just because of yoyos getting melee speed 
but that'll die soon
neat linden
i expected it to be barely usable on thana
frosty trellis
My 6:1x SCal kill time says otherwise....
neat linden
i got a bit surprised tbh
small timber
Wait yoyo getting melee speed? No wonder terrarian melt so much
hot zephyr
skill issue on your end
frosty trellis
My other kill times were fine
small timber
The last time I tested oracle is fine even when melee speed dont affect it
frosty trellis
According to you
neat linden
Wait yoyo getting melee speed? No wonder terrarian melt so much
it melts because it has a shit ton of damage
it was quite melty since like
1.5
1.5.1 idk
frosty trellis
Literally you said my kill times were about right for literally every other Auric tier weapon Ian
small timber
it melts because it has a shit ton of damage
Abit offtopic, but I used 4 string accessory (yes) on terrarian and got on mnl on PG
neat linden
100% unrelated but can i just say how underrated god's paranoia is
small timber
Ripperless too, I had to nerf my damage that much, I thought I just forgot how strong terrarian was
frosty trellis
If it's a rogue weapon idk since I haven't played rogue rly
frosty trellis
Ripperless too, I had to nerf my damage that much, I thought I just forgot how s...
Zamn
neat linden
well i do recommend giving it a shot once
frosty trellis
Oh I will give rogue a chance
Once I get time I want to do my mage run first though bc I've been dying to play mage
neat linden
Spiky balls are a very mixed group of
very powerful, mid and there's like 3 useless ones i think
most of them are used never
only ones used are stickies
fossil finch
did they just repost their suggestion
neat linden
Yes
small timber
Did it get exclaimed before?
hot zephyr
yeah but it's bolded now
fossil finch
lao
small timber
Oh ok, at least not that
hot zephyr
they updated the formatting
neat linden
couldn't they just edit message
frosty trellis
Interesting lore reason ig
But like
Why can't people just let Zenith be alone in Auric tier
That's so much less work
And everyone gets their cool infinity+1 sword on SCal
grim tusk
“I want mah op weapon right after ML”
frosty trellis
Go play summoner
lyric halo
@ hydrated cnidrion i love that so much
soft quest
i dont get that mutated truffle suggestion, ive been using it and it can easily get 8,000 DPS alone
its situational, the only problem with it is its too slow to catch up
frosty trellis
Is that on a target dummy or on DoG?
soft quest
great for single target though
unborn oriole
I love people that don't read the don'ts
frosty trellis
Bc dummy tests aren't what stuff is balanced around
soft quest
Bc dummy tests aren't what stuff is balanced around
i used it a lot while rematching the earlier bosses because it kicks their asses. For dog hes a worm boss so it doesnt work as well
frosty trellis
Stuff isn't balanced around killing weaker stuff though
unborn oriole
So we all know how the new Zenith recipe has made it unusable for the stage of the game you get it at.
I bet this guy just watched a Gitgut video or some from that Murasama guy
soft quest
ok but when i need to rematch providence at just post providence teir its still gonna be very hard its not a free fight, that doesnt make it a useless accessory
unborn oriole
Like dude what
frosty trellis
Think you missed the point of the accessory isn't super helpful for the stage of progression you're at bc it's underpowered and not super useful against DoG and Yharon and there really isn't any real synergies with it
frosty trellis
> So we all know how the new Zenith recipe has made it unusable for the stage of...
Yeah no kid
hollow shell
@primal plank Did you mean to say Ruinous Souls instead of Phantoplasm?
Ruinous Souls are post-Polterghast, Phantoplasm is just post-ML
soft quest
i think you think that after you kill prov or sentinels once, youll be able to magically kill them as fast as king slime, i had to fight prov 3 times and polter 3 times, both cases it was great
also was good for storm weaver stage 1
it saved me on a lot of pain
hollow shell
Also I dunno what's up with people saying Zenith is terribly non-viable, but when the testers do DPS tests they find it to be totally fine
What's different
drowsy plank
randos are bad at the game
soft quest
Also I dunno what's up with people saying Zenith is terribly non-viable, but whe...
do DPS testers have everything on meanacing and full damage accessories?
because that might not be an accurate representation
small timber
I mean many testers are nohitter level of skill
hollow shell
do DPS testers have everything on meanacing and full damage accessories?
Well they compare multiple different weapons with the same load-out
small timber
That probably mattered the most
unborn oriole
I've seen people that only use offensive accesories with Celestial tracers
tacit dome
yo guys do you agree that they should remove malice mode?
drowsy plank
doesnt matter because that's already planned
hollow shell
yo guys do you agree that they should remove malice mode?
Read the pins in this channel
unborn oriole
unborn oriole
In the end
tacit dome
i was just wondering cause i loved malice mode and its my fav way to play but im sad they r removing it :(
unborn oriole
It doesn't even matter
hollow shell
i was just wondering cause i loved malice mode and its my fav way to play but im...
I recommend the Infernum mod for a post-Death difficulty
tacit dome
once i finish master mode ftw malice i will probs do infernum
small timber
Just wait for people to readd malice mode as an external mod (it will happen), but ya it will be removed and nothing is changing it
small timber
Also I dunno what's up with people saying Zenith is terribly non-viable, but whe...
Also another possible reason is people watched too many nohits
Their expectation of scal and exo kill time is like 3 minutes, while tester balanced kill time is 5 and 7 respectively
unborn oriole
"Hmmm, this guy uses ark and not zenith, this means it is shit!"
small timber
Or just like "yo this zenith weapon is not as good as spine of thanatos, but it was good in vanilla, this means zenith is shit and should be buffed"
hot zephyr
Their expectation of scal and exo kill time is like 3 minutes, while tester bala...
exo mech killtimes hover around 6 minutes
swift wharf
I think that people should stop treating zenith as something special in the context in calamity
primal plank
<@820200718073856041> Did you mean to say Ruinous Souls instead of Phantoplasm?
...
Oh yes
My bad
swift wharf
In terraria it is special, sure
primal plank
I'll edit it
hot zephyr
zenith is auric so we don't have to slice the stats down
ashen warren
<@820200718073856041> Did you mean to say Ruinous Souls instead of Phantoplasm?
...
Hi, I'm the one who made the suggestion and he just posted it for me cos I couldn't at the time
and yes I meant the Ruinouse souls
but if it was still too strong for that point of the game
inner anvil
That's not the problem, like bruh, why do we need to do that?
unborn oriole
"Oh no they nerfed Zenith calamity devs HATE fun!!!"
unborn oriole
That's not the problem, like bruh, why do we need to do that?
Yeah and that
ashen warren
use Ascendant Spirit Essence inecetade of Ruinace souls
unborn oriole
Its much easier and convenient to have it as post-Yharon
unborn oriole
use Ascendant Spirit Essence inecetade of Ruinace souls
No
Just no
It's fine where it is
ashen warren
"Oh no they nerfed Zenith calamity devs HATE fun!!!"
tbh for me it just didn't make sense for it stitch the sword with auric tesla bars
inner anvil
Okay, I read the suggestion, why do we need to do this?
Why do we need to bother changing it's tier and it's balance.
ashen warren
so this made sense to me since the Zenith was the soul of the terraria journey
fossil finch
in vanilla you don't "stitch" them with anything
inner anvil
?
unborn oriole
Well
hot zephyr
it's a sword
unborn oriole
It is now at the end of the journey of Calamity mod
inner anvil
The "S" word.
ashen warren
that throws swords
inner anvil
Okay, you do realize that's your opinion, right?
inner anvil
Alright, we don't agree with it, suggestion done, we aren't doing it.
ashen warren
not an order
unborn oriole
It's the culmination of your journey? Yes, even in Calamity, because it's endgame
fossil finch
also zenith being the soul of the terraria journey kinda lame the soul of the terraria journey should be forcing proper game design under people's throats :troll:
ashen warren
ok
inner anvil
Like, if you bring us an objective reason why to do that, we'll consider it.
unborn oriole
It's just a cool sword
ashen warren
ah
fossil finch
nadir should be the first weapon wouldn't that be funny
ashen warren
then I was just taking stuff out of my asce?
inner anvil
Like, apart from the "Lore" or "The Journey", in practical terms, why do testers need to spend their time changing it's tier and balance?
unborn oriole
then I was just taking stuff out of my asce?
Yeah
ashen warren
that just sounded cooler to me
inner anvil
Well, we don't allow those suggestions for "It'd be cool".
ashen warren
and alos calamity have some lore so yea
ashen warren
Well, we don't allow those suggestions for "It'd be cool".
I get your point man
it was just a suggestion
nothing more
ashen warren
Sorry if I sounded rude lmao.
not really you just sounded like repeating what you said
inner anvil
Excuse me then.
ashen warren
no problem it happens allot
inner anvil
It really does.
inner anvil
I ain't the best writer, so I'm indifferent.
ashen warren
I ain't the best writer, so I'm indifferent.
in your opinion I meant
inner anvil
It's fine.
ashen warren
better than bad I guess
keen drum
i feel like its hard to make the zenith work in calamity just because of how much cooler the later tier swords are
as well as how much further the ark line and biome blade lines go
drowsy plank
flashy boomerang vs. awesome parry sword
keen drum
the zenith recipe rn feels like a hardmode recipe where you combine a bunch of prehardmode things with beetle husks or something
ashen warren
you could just make it so when a sword hit it shot its spicefic projectile
drowsy plank
i think we should stop trying to change zenith
swift wharf
I think that people should stop treating zenith as something special in the cont...
It would be so awesome
It would be so cool
ashen warren
change it? no. make ideas about changing it? yes
inner anvil
We'll see if we do something to it, but not our top priorities.
drowsy plank
change it? no. make ideas about changing it? yes
also no
drowsy plank
if you want zenith to be different go make ur own mod or something
swift wharf
smth smth lore but zenith doesn't even have a tooltip
ashen warren
smth smth lore but zenith doesn't even have a tooltip
OI!! we already got over that!
drowsy plank
if you want a "soul of terraria" just go play fargo's 
ashen warren
if you want a "soul of terraria" just go play fargo's <:XD:936106628833488906>
I remembered it after I typed it
ashen warren
AoTC is what zenith tried to be
the hell is AoTC?
swift wharf
Ark of the Cosmos
ashen warren
huh, they are similar
ashen warren
yah (mostly due to visual effects tho)
drowsy plank
no aotc has actual mechanics
zenith is a fancy boomerang when you get down to the mechanics
ashen warren
I know