suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Well anyway
None of this matters cuz iirc all three cases he brought up are known about

[small timber]

ya, I will just fight providence with plague engine, just to get it over with

[silver badger]

i heard that tactical plague engine has a bug where it deals 4 times less than what it's damage number says

[small timber]

it is bugged ya (since Altix said it, and he is a tester)

[silver badger]

it's intended providence kill time is 1:30, similar in strength to the purity rainbow torch

[small timber]

(I just want to test the extent of how bad it is)

[silver badger]

good luck

on beating providence with the tickle jets

[silver badger]

it's weaker than the resurrection butterfly

[small timber]

before I test, this is the current in game tooltip which is why I thought it was not implemented yet, but ya I will proceed to the fight

ok it definitely is bugged ya, seems like it only has bullet damage which means it deal 1k dps on a 13 minion slot setup

[cobalt rose]

so wait does that mean it benefits rangers

[small timber]

cant really scale ranged damage with minion slot so even if it works it is pointless, but ya bugged anyway

[silver badger]

i wonder if you have seen a ranger use the tactical plague engine

[cobalt rose]

no

i was just curious

[spring sail]

Got my idea from my own experience and this Reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/Calamitymod_/comments/wq7m4i/providence_didnt_drop_aegis

Mainly priority adjustments

And idk if she enrages outside of hallow but still in hell in this way

[crude geode]

Redditors

[grim tusk]

Just like fight her in pure hell?

Or night

[spring sail]

Just minor qol. It’s a small nuisance rather than a big issue

[west prairie]

Yeah I never got why hallow was prioritized

[fossil finch]

Why did vanilla add summon targetting mechanic again

like bro right click with your summon staff 😭

[proud quest]

half the time it never works

[fossil finch]

idk proof

It's always worked for me

[cobalt pewter]

whips tag enemies

you can right click with summon staffs that do not have an additional function there

[swift wharf]

I never had a problem with targeting them

just whip them until you get the right one

[hot zephyr]

good luck on WoF lol

[swift wharf]

eyes of night

[proud quest]

it used to be op lol

[swift wharf]

It's still good

Really good

Used it for both rev and infernum WoF

[frosty trellis]

Whip and eye once, watch the feesh kill the wall

You get a billion feeeesh

Doesn't take that long

Reapply tag damage as needed

[swift wharf]

Flesh of Infidelity is also really good from what I've heard but not for me

[drowsy plank]

herring staff is one of the most comedy weapons of all time

[frosty trellis]

It's amazing

I love the feeeesh

You get so many of them

And they do beeeeeg damage

[swift wharf]

I am 91.5% sure that shrines are getting axed and you'll get the items in some other way

[eternal escarp]

devplans.jpeg

?

[swift wharf]

cryogen has a claw?

[cobalt pewter]

me when

[cobalt pewter]

by sheer, SHEER technicality, yes.

[swift wharf]

what the hell

[cobalt pewter]

like very convoluted technicality

[swift wharf]

[hot zephyr]

i think they mean crabulon

[cobalt pewter]

but yeah they meant crab

[swift wharf]

[cobalt pewter]

[swift wharf]

[cobalt pewter]

explosion

[small timber]

pretty sure effigies are extremely consistent to get, especially crimson

you just have to pop a spelunker and run through your evil biomes and you likely will found it (corruption can sometimes spawn deep)

but ya, shrines are to be changed soon™

(also making shrines item boss drop literally defeat their purpose of 'rare item')

[true inlet]

@keen drum did you mean crabulon?

[keen drum]

yeah mb lol

[crude geode]

uh oh

[fossil finch]

They're asking for a plague flask

[crude geode]

@hollow shell we have a non-english speaker here

[swift wharf]

they do not know that alchemica flask 1 2 and 3 exist

[drowsy plank]

lmfao someone
messaged me over discord because they dont have a phone number verified to get me to post this

i wanna get some feedback before attaching my name to this sugg but for people more well versed in post-ML and these items do yall think this guy has a point

[small timber]

That is such a 180 degree rework that at this point it should just be put on a different accessory?

That is like if HOTE is reworked to give ranger point blank shot damage

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[small timber]

Oh fuck sorry I confused old duke scale with the one that give a small old duke summon

[drowsy plank]

yeah he talks about truffle in the sugg too

"How is that a 180 degree rework saying shfit crit to dmg bonus
Like from 28/14 to 34/8.. Everything and the mechanics stay the same"

[hollow shell]

(Tell them I just gave em the role that should let em speak)

[small timber]

I thought it wanted to rework the mutated truffle into a low hp boost accessory which is why I was so confused

[grim tusk]

🗿

[drowsy plank]

true!

[hollow shell]

Also their message is almost incomprehensible

[drowsy plank]

LMAO

[thorn dock]

Oh thanks guys. Really thankful to the mod and to afflatus

[swift wharf]

From what I understood is make it give more damage than crit

[drowsy plank]

i think the idea is omega blue's freezing of natural life regen is similar to how no hitters used to use iron heart

[swift wharf]

Because the tentacles can only crit sometimes

[grim tusk]

The thing basically summarizes to: Change OD’s scales so that it buffs summoner even more

[swift wharf]

Yeah that is the problem

[small timber]

But ya 14% crit is not that much (to be 100% capped), for most build crit is not close to 100% therefore it is much more valuable than damage (other than summoner)

[swift wharf]

Not just summoner, honestly

Since you have a lot of crit % post ML

[small timber]

So that will probably be a nerf on an item that is already not widely used, since you have to be low hp to get the max effect on top of everything else

[thorn dock]

Do summoners run old scales

[grim tusk]

Well rogue while it still have DSG giving crit

[grim tusk]

No one runs that shit

[hollow shell]

Old Duke's Scales just suck in general, design-wise
Really boring accessory, conditional stat boosts

We'll probably change them eventually

But for now I suppose we do have to deal with their current existence

[crude geode]

You say this about like. 70% of the cal mod rover

[hollow shell]

We got a lot of plans ok

[drowsy plank]

there are a lot of bad stat sticks

[keen drum]

yeah fair

[drowsy plank]

remember the expert accessory rework in suggs

[keen drum]

i dont think they all need to change

[drowsy plank]

it's like that

[keen drum]

but at least some

like the onyx excavator is a really nice accessory that rarely gets use for example

[small timber]

Onyx excavator is a completely different deal in that it is absurdly hard to find

[hollow shell]

(mount, technically)

[thorn dock]

I don't think the disign sucks. It could be a key item in some fun builds. Example mana polarizer+ ursa sergeant

[keen drum]

[thorn dock]

Polarizer activates under a damaging debuff and ursa let's u stay in a range where scales bonuses are at max

[small timber]

Generally the low life items are considered as bad because you cant really maintain low life consistently

[thorn dock]

U can

Just combine some accs

[small timber]

So the question is whether or not the devs think low life builds are good design and introduce way to support it

[hollow shell]

Having a life-based trigger is fine I just wish the effects were more interesting

[thorn dock]

There are plenty of items low life design.... Vexation scales truffle omega deities polarizer ursa

Hopefully they don't reject them

[keen drum]

i think theyre cool

i used omega blue on dog and it worked great on death with stuff like that

[thorn dock]

It's a cool thing to find sth non meta that somehow makes fun to play

[keen drum]

was fun too

ultimately the game is still receiving lots of tier changes so im not too worried

[small timber]

For example what if Regenerator is 'you cannot have more than 50% HP' instead of -50% Max HP

(the life regen it give is obviously nerfed of course due to more synergy with low life items)

But ya I think for interesting effect to be added they should first be viable, otherwise it is not worth the effort to bother with making them interesting

[hollow shell]

hmmm

[thorn dock]

For synergy with low life it would rather be: below x%health regenerate x life per second

[thorn dock]

Oh also misread 1st. Yeah that would also work. Kinda all life reg disabled at 50% and above

For which class a core like this would probably work? 1 Old Duke scales 2 mana polarizer 3 ursa seargent 4 necklace of vexation/ neboulus core 5 dimensional soul artifact..... Still 2 accs slots free. It could use statis void over argard since asgard gives life reg

Hard core would be 1 to 3

[small timber]

For such a glass cannon setup like this at this point you should just use chaos stone and mana spam and drop all decenses, but ya

[keen drum]

dont think necklace of vexation is worth over destroyer emblem

also ursa is meh

you want move speed on such a glass cannon build

id use a dodge accessory with this, maybe void sash or just a ram with a shield

with another slot for wings obv

[thorn dock]

Ursa is currently the only items iirc that supports staying in a specific health range besides omega

[keen drum]

yeah but the move speed penalty for just 3 life regen

isnt worth imo

[thorn dock]

True true. However ursa mechanics are kinda unique

[small timber]

The idea is obviously copied from POE (for those familiar with it), which while is not the same genre nor everyone kind of game, I do think it is agreeable that its skill/gear system is very in depth

While not all of them will be applicable, I do think some of them (idea) can be taken inspiration from, imo notably:

Low life (<50% HP) build
More/Less and Incease/Decrease keyword (basically multiplicative and additive)
Aura (in Terraria maybe reduce max mana to gain mage specific buff, basically you trade damage/mana potion spam for other benefit)
Layered defenses, hard to explain but basically another defense (conditional or not) on top of your usual defense and DR, one existing example is The Bee

Probbaly there are more ideas that will fit but I dont play POE in depth enough to know more

[thorn dock]

Saw magic in ursa and polarizer as it can gift u some desired health perc u want to stay in

[small timber]

But ya all the ideas are abit far fetching, but I just think there can be some inspiraion from there

[swift wharf]

@empty valley weapon balancing suggestions are not allowed

ping one of the testers in the pins

and tell the killtimes with the weapons and stuff

And read the suggestion doc

[thorn dock]

Are item suggestions ok or rather not beloved?

[fossil finch]

not allowed

[thorn dock]

Ah okay

Thx

[fossil finch]

unless you're not specific

as in, you can sugg for an item that does x to be added because of a decent reason

or for a weapon of x class to be added because they're lacking one in that place of the game for example

[thorn dock]

Well I was specific in mind... So guess I reject

[fossil finch]

but you can't suggest anything very specific

[thorn dock]

Had fusion of ursa and polarizer in mind

[eternal escarp]

but not going "add in toilet rummager, a melee weapon with 718 damage post dog that acts like a hammer" stuff

[thorn dock]

Alright

[small timber]

(ok fuck phone cannt save picture before I send)

I will type the full suggestion in

[keen drum]

3 life regen wouldnt be worth an acc slot even if it was at all hp and without the move speed penalty

[thorn dock]

U wrote make regenrator not regenerate above 50%. Guess u meant disable all life regen over 50%

[keen drum]

imo many of the +def -move speed accessories need a rework

[thorn dock]

Otherwise it wouldn't be the same downside and u could regenerate above 50%

[keen drum]

yeah

[small timber]

Still think on how to word it

[small timber]

Since this might sounds like regenator hp regen stop working if you are above 50%

While the intent is you can never have more than 50% HP (which is its current downside)

[abstract urchin]

Guys i think dev of gods is too easy so instead when he kills you he should add ring piercings to your characters balls every time he dies and he gets dragged down by the weight of his balls so he falls faster and wings dont work as well and when you reach a certain amount of deaths he should ddos you for being weak

[drowsy plank]

you aren't funny

[abstract urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975869865258795078/994298604418248844/caption-2.gif

[thorn dock]

Hmm
Above 50% health loose X health per second. Below 50% health regenerate X life per sesond

Like this? @small timber

[small timber]

No no, as in you just cannot have more than 50% current hp

Basically you are always below 50% HP no matter what, which is equivalent to reduce 50% max hp

Which is why I dont know how to word it conscisely and clearly

[thorn dock]

You cant exceed 50% health. Gain....?

[small timber]

Basically regenator will be the exact same accessory except it now benefit low on life effect items

Previously you have 600 Max HP, say you have +50 defense if below 25% HP

Old regenator: you have 300 max hp, your 25% is 75 hp

Suggested: you have 300/600 hp (cannot have more than 300), 25% of max hp is 150

You gain the 50 defense at 150 instead of 75 so you are much safer

[thorn dock]

Problem is staying at 50% won't trigger below 50% health effects

[fossil finch]

it would

[thorn dock]

And the kinda setup this is supposed to be accumulated in is prob not good at taking hits to further reduce hp

Oh

[small timber]

Depends on how it is implemented I guess, they can make it trigger exactly on 50% too

[fossil finch]

well it depends if its > or >

[grim tusk]

@empty valley summoner is fucked, we know. Also balance suggs are a no and you should ping any tester in the pinned list instead

[thorn dock]

Are you sure it does? Since the item explicit says below.

Guess omega blue is the way to test this

[swift wharf]

I could be wrong but cosmilite will be obtained in some different way eventually

And wouldn't make much sense for it to drop plates that look like bars

[ashen warren]

pretty sure theyd be >=

[fossil finch]

oh yeah coding

[ashen warren]

i didnt mean the literal sign i meant the hp check would use that

[swift wharf]

neko "future content" enderpikmin is this true

[ashen warren]

i dont see why it would just be a <, >

[thorn dock]

In that case the regenerator change wouldn't have much impact on boosting such builds

[ashen warren]

it would

[hollow shell]

Very eventually

[thorn dock]

But not naturally right? You would need to loose some more hp to get your desired triggers

[ashen warren]

do you know what >= means

[fossil finch]

it still would be better as the sugg says

because the hp threshold would be higher

[thorn dock]

I know 2>1

[fossil finch]

and 1, 2>=1

[ashen warren]

this thing'll work if you have 300/600 hp

[fossil finch]

= is "more or equal to"

[hollow shell]

We could do half your HP and then minus 1 more point just to be safe

[fossil finch]

i don't think that's a complaint

[thorn dock]

Ahh so that regenerator rework would perfectly support anything worded if below 50%

[fossil finch]

(And everyone would rather you don't do that

[ashen warren]

i doubt its inconsistent to where some things work just being < and others are <=

[thorn dock]

😂

[ashen warren]

there would also be no reason to do < and not <= so like

it would almost certainly make anything that has different stats under 50% hp do it

[thorn dock]

Understood ^^ great suggestion then.

Deities will also get syngery from that

[frail mantle]

@fluid island suggestions of such a large scale like that are disallowed

also that is incredibly specific

[fossil finch]

they fucking suggested

total calamity

real

also im not joking

they literally went to total calamity

read random roleplay shit

and, against all warnings "this is not official calamity lore"
they went "they should add this"

who do they think scal is 😭

[neat linden]

this has to be one of the most specific suggestions i've ever read

[ruby plover]

oh damn thats a uh

i gotta admit thats one of the suggestions ive ever read

fuckin steve

[fossil bronze]

STEVE MINECRAFT

[fossil finch]

steve is the name of one of total calamity's protagonist

[ruby plover]

all jokes aside if there was an endgame boss simply called steve i would just burst out laughing

[fossil finch]

all npcs they name are total calamity characters

[fossil bronze]

amazing

[fossil finch]

also love that

??? (female)

[ruby plover]

as opposed to !!! (male)

[neat linden]

yes ??? is indeed female

the "???" name is already taken so that wouldn't work either

[zenith hazel]

ah yes, the two genders: !!! and ???

[balmy bough]

dangerous ground there

lol

[swift wharf]

LMAO

rover is gonna some fun reading this

[hollow shell]

Goodbye

[swift wharf]

Lmao

[drowsy plank]

TerranE makes worst suggestion of all time, asked to leave the calamity discord

[ashen warren]

Aw I missed it

[drowsy plank]

dw neko basically summed it up, it was literally just total calamity as a sugg

[neat linden]

Please tell me someone screenshotted it

[drowsy plank]

the thing took up the entire screen with how many line breaks there were

[zenith hazel]

while I'm here

@drowsy plank #suggestions-voting message can you explain exactly what you mean by this?

[drowsy plank]

oh sure

[zenith hazel]

is hallowed ore not spawning in pearlstone, or hallowed sand, etc.?

[drowsy plank]

well it doesn't spawn in pink ice, which is technically a hallowed block

and cryonic ore doesn't spawn in it either

[zenith hazel]

wha

I'm looking at the code, they should definitely be spawning in pink ice

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

yeah it definitely didn't, i had to scour the edges of my biomes for that

weird

maybe it's a mod conflict thing?? id go make more worlds and test it but

yknow

not that i was running many but

[zenith hazel]

let me go beat up a wall and an ice cube in a test world rq

[drowsy plank]

idk begone evil could've fucked with it

aight

[zenith hazel]

yeah it could just be a mod conflict

[drowsy plank]

gl on that and lemme know how it turns out

[ashen warren]

Would be annoying if begon evil caused that cause everyone and their mother uses that

[zenith hazel]

I don't

but then again, I haven't played terraria in like 6 months

[ashen warren]

[drowsy plank]

mfw i dont want to deal with the entire world turning into crimson cause i like taking my time with calamity's bosses but then half the features break

i just wish the V wasn't so

fucking big

why does it even spawn more world evil like you already have two

sometimes three

[ashen warren]

Well

Just spawning a \ would be weird

And you wouldn't have any underground evil

[drowsy plank]

even columns would be better cause then you could just bomb containment tunnels like the normal world evils

the V just makes it so awkward to contain

[frail mantle]

i kinda wonder if it was supposed to feel like the hallow and crimson 2 were actually released by the wall, escaping through the underground to the surface

[ashen warren]

It kinda does

But only if you kill the wall in the middle

[grim tusk]

magic storage and flipped oceans (very suspected, not confirmed yet)

[frail mantle]

and then the reason for the V was so that the hallow and new crimson wouldn't spawn right next to each other and you'd kinda have a "good" and "evil" side of the world (even though the hallow can still spawn on a side of the world with crimson in it or the world can have crimson on both sides)

[drowsy plank]

at least magic storage is avoidable

[ashen warren]

Bruh

[hollow shell]

I never actually considered that that may be why it's shaped like that

[drowsy plank]

there's not really an option to just. turn off biome spread normally

weird

[zenith hazel]

so there's a good chance it's a mod conflict lol

[drowsy plank]

awesome!!!

[ashen warren]

If so that is both hilarious and sad

Wtf is magic storage doing that would affect that

[drowsy plank]

im really gonna have to take the training wheels off and just ditch every qol mod except cheat sheet at this rate

[grave zinc]

@ashen warren - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Let the Rare Sand Elemental's Healing Orbs travel through walls]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[radiant meadow]

hello

also made a few other healing orbs travel through walls

apparently the auric armor ones didn't

[grim tusk]

saving modded items gone wrong, probably

or some jank

[ashen warren]

Heck yeah.

Thanks devs!

[grim tusk]

ever since whoever it was that took control of Magic Storage after Jopo left it, Magic storage has been going downhill tbh

[drowsy plank]

this is the funniest shit ive hear in a while

[drowsy plank]

merging the magic storage+ and normal branches was
a decision

[hollow shell]

It prevents more of the issues where people tried to use both mods I guess

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[grim tusk]

Everyday I hear more people disliking Magic Storage's new changes more

[ashen warren]

Ye it's uh

Just more confusing

[grim tusk]

yea normal Magic Storage was a perfectly stable mod with no conflicts

[sand ermine]

as a non-magic storage user, that sounds bad

[ashen warren]

And looks worse visually

[grim tusk]

Magic storage extra (or 1.4), looks worse, mod conflicts and can corrupt your world (i think this is fixed in 1.4)

[ashen warren]

It's the equivalent of Twitter and Youtube's layout changes. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Sometimes things just work, and DON'T need a new coat of paint.

The base 1.3 mod was perfectly fine

[fossil finch]

idk the mod has an owner and they're a person

maybe you guys should tell them instead of jerking about it

(i've seen it a lot lately and i understand why, but still)

[grim tusk]

i would as soon as I get 100% proof

but that would require me grinding the storage on a pt

which im close to, just need to find emeralds

[ashen warren]

Try planetoids

[grim tusk]

the new wulfrum scanner comes really in handy

[ashen warren]

Tend to give you all of the gems

[grim tusk]

I have rope snakes, why didnt i think of that

[ashen warren]

[grim tusk]

once I'm done with a philosophy presentation that is due tomorrow I'll check it out

[fossil finch]

also for the record i don't have the bug and i've used magic storage for long since the bug was first reported

... which was soon after the port

[grim tusk]

yea that bug is random as fuck

[ashen warren]

It happens to world's that simply get ported

So it's not exclusive to MS at the least

[frosty trellis]

I mean, calamity changed how world gen works, so mid-cavern layer spawns sapphires and emeralds. Easy enough to find them there

Lower cavern being rubies and diamonds, so don't go too far down lol

Makes getting magic storage a hell of a lot easier for me

[grim tusk]

crawlers have also been a good source of gems

although i have found mostly diamond ones for some reason

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

With the new worldgen they just aren't as bad

Go to one of the three layers you want for the gems to spawn, pop a spelunker, can get 30+ gems easily with that spelunker

Which has the side benefit of getting gold chest loot easier

[ruby plover]

i pasted it in my server lmao

[fossil mural]

How're the suggestions today?

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

Uh they're fine I spose

[fossil mural]

no excessive exclaim bingos it seems

nature is healing

still not totally healed though

[hollow shell]

@oak pecan Fixed for next update 👍

[oak pecan]

ohhh nice

should i delete my suggestion then?

[zenith hazel]

yea

[hollow shell]

(at this rate, the next tMod update will be out by the time we release ours...)

[sand ermine]

yikes

[tardy geyser]

@harsh tundra When formatting your suggestion, its main idea should be listed at the top on a separate line (Shift + Enter) as the header of the message

[harsh tundra]

How do you do that on mobile? I’m not where my pc is right now.

[tardy geyser]

go to numbers and symbols section of keyboard, return is in the bottom right

[small timber]

The word you should use will be 'unconsumable' / 'inconsumable' I think

Since currently your suggestion title says consumable which is how it currently is

[harsh tundra]

Then should I say a non-consumable

[small timber]

Ya non-consumable works too

[tardy geyser]

yep

thats what terraria uses for all other items that arnt used

[harsh tundra]

Ok

There

I feel like this is a good suggestion though

Do you guys agree?

[small timber]

(seeing how the devs are trying to move away from make and click summon, I dont think it will happen tbh

You might have greater chance of success to ask for more blood worm/truffle worm spawn rate or some way to acquire them more easily)

[harsh tundra]

Or make the bloodwork craft able, but consumable

Auto correct is gonna kill me

[small timber]

Ya maybe

[tardy geyser]

you can buy truffle worms from amidias once hardmode starts, so thats not much of an issue imo. bloodworms could get the same treatment. like sold post moon lord maybe?

[small timber]

Truffle worm already is I think, just glowing mushroom + worms

Oh the purchase is before fishron is defeated?

[tardy geyser]

yea, was changed recently

[harsh tundra]

Well I’m going to keep what I said for now

[frosty trellis]

My problems with the suggestion are:
Why are you fighting Old Duke in the first place? It's not worth
Old Duke isn't hard....?

[tardy geyser]

wait nvm, i dont see it in changelogs

[harsh tundra]

But yeah I just did duke a few days ago and discovered how annoying it is

For old duke

[tardy geyser]

was removed maybe

[frosty trellis]

Old Duke is like, not hard at all?

I just use my old AS Arena and give it three more platforms up

Works like a charm

[harsh tundra]

Still should be easier to get the spawners

[frosty trellis]

And slap in some candles for good measure

I don't know half of what it does

Old Duke needs to actually be worthwhile before it gets a spawner fix

[tardy geyser]

just making truffle/blood worms more common would be the best thing to do imo

[harsh tundra]

Still for new players to the game they should just change it for the long run.

Yeah that’s why I made that post

[frosty trellis]

Besides Victrolic Vipor for mages against DoG (which, phantasmal fury exists so still no point) there isn't a reason to do Duke in the first place

His drops need to be fixed beforehand

[harsh tundra]

I do t think your getting the point

Not doing a boss at all vs changing a spawn rate is kinda dumb

[frosty trellis]

There isn't a point in farming for the spawner if the boss isn't worth fighting in the first place

[tardy geyser]

eh, i usually do all bosses on tier regardless if their drops are good. but i do agree that some of his drops need a buff or rework

[harsh tundra]

That’s why I’m saying they should buff spawn rates

So it makes you want to do it

[frosty trellis]

Sure, an easier method would be nicer

But it wouldn't do shit if you aren't going to fight him anyways

[harsh tundra]

Yeah the suggestions aren’t for game changing mechanics

[frosty trellis]

Everything but Victrolic Viper needs a buff and or rework

[harsh tundra]

I mean maybe if it was really really really good

[frosty trellis]

I'm cool with the spawn rates going up or making them purchasable after polteghast has been defeated by like the wizard or smthin

[icy sedge]

i didnt know that the sea king sold truffle worms

since when???

[frosty trellis]

For a long while lol

[icy sedge]

wow

my efforts in catching truffle worms have now gone to waste

[tardy geyser]

carrion is decent for summoners, i havent used the other things very often though

[swift wharf]

If they mean adding a left click to summon type of deal then suggestions like that have been denied before

[frosty trellis]

Carrion is okay but it's useless against DoG and Yharon

[tardy geyser]

yea good point, its target range is pretty low

[icy sedge]

isnt carrion literally before dog and yharon

[frosty trellis]

Victrolic Viper is actually quite good against DoG

It's the only one that's actually good

[frosty trellis]

Old Duke is pre both of them, so yes

And it doesn't do shit to either

[crude geode]

sentry moment

[frosty trellis]

But besides the point
The spear is like... Terror Blade and Banshee hook exist and are way better
The ranged weapon.... Just use Sulfuric Acid Cannon. It's easier to get and stronger
Victrolic Viper is pog
Carrion sucks against DoG and Yharon
Not familiar with rogue so dunno about that weapon
Scales needs a buff/rework/something that can actually synergize with them
Truffle is okay but has the same problem as the scales

[burnt condor]

is it relevant to bring up that both the old duke can be summoned by reaching the end of the acid rain event after polterghast and that bloodworms are sold by the sea king after you defeat old duke?

[frosty trellis]

Wait, he does?

Shit

He does

[burnt condor]

that's what the wiki says, yeah

[frosty trellis]

Suggestion is pointless then bc there exists an easy renewable method then

Lol

[burnt condor]

I know I fought him through the acid rain event so I have no base of reference to how annoying bloodworms are to get

but yeah. renewable AND alternate summon method!

[frosty trellis]

They aren't hard to get

Just are a pain in the ass to spot

They have a fairly good spawn rate. Pop a zerg and you will spawn one. Spotting one is basically impossible in the Sulfuric waters

Only reason I can locate them in a reasonable amount of time is via Alchnpc since they have a little arrow that points to rare enemies if you have the lifeform analyzer

[small timber]

a lot of old duke items are strong iirc, or at least good enough against DoG

both old duke ranger drops are some of the best ranged weapon you can use against DoG, carrion is a sentry which mean it is free, viper is good as you say;

insidious impaler, reaper and toxicant twister I am not sure about, and both accessory is not super good iirc

so it is basically 50/50 good drop, for ranger specifically (maybe mage too) it is definitely worth

[harsh tundra]

Bro I started a war or something like damn

[unborn oriole]

Every large sugg does

[drowsy plank]

old duke already has a non-consumable spawn item

it's called the caustic tear

[orchid briar]

Having to do Acid Rain T3 every time you fight Old Duke is not really viable for many attempts, especially if it's on tier

[drowsy plank]

then farm the bloodworms

[safe oasis]

if eoc gets an easy non-consumable summon i don't see why fishron and old duke can't

idk why you're fighting so hard against it tbh

[small timber]

Technically you are true, but the current approach is click and summon items are boring and ideally the mod will be moving towards more unique summoning method

In that sense duke and old (being fishing) are unique in that sense, but the downside is of course bait is consumable

[safe oasis]

just make the bait not be consumable then?

idk if that's possible though

[small timber]

ideally just make the bait easy to obtain under specific condition, otherwise it can be weird that things are just non-consumable randomly

I will test if the town method still works

[icy sedge]

the luiafk infinite fishing rod doesnt work with it anymore for some reason

[hollow shell]

Kinda. There was a suggestion for an indicator but they did not specify the execution #suggestions-voting message

It was also 7 months ago

every time, I read "DSO" as "Dimensional Soul Ortifact"

7 months ago was about 7 months ago.

But uh yeah you can make another suggestion for it

[ruby plover]

you and me both lmao

same with darksun ring. Dimensional Soul Rartifact

[small timber]

I think specify the idea you had as example (rather than the way to execute the suggestion) and it will be good?

(since there are many type of different sound effect also suitable for this other than a ping sound)

[hollow shell]

That sugg looks fine

[frosty trellis]

I'M GLAD I'M NOT YHE ONLY ONE

[spring sail]

Isn’t that too specific?

[fossil finch]

it is

[small timber]

besides lore wise it will make not much sense (to be a upgraded fishron mount)

if mutated truffle is useless it is better to buff mutated truffle instead of completely reworking it to something completely different as the first option

@keen drum the tldr is glove of recklessness used to be insanely overpowered when it had higher attack speed/lower downside

you can ask the dedicated rogue tester (Storm2103) for details, but ya it is how it is because the nerf was necessary

[keen drum]

alright thats fair

you think i should delete?

[small timber]

I think you can keep it up?

[keen drum]

alright

[small timber]

better to wait for the tester to respond

[keen drum]

alr

[small timber]

since inherently there is nothing wrong with the suggestion, I just feel it is worth clarifying

[keen drum]

yeah that makes sense

it used to be 20% right?

with the same downsides

[thorn dock]

Oof don't delete truffle.. We just had plenty of talk about low hp builds

[small timber]

I think it was 20%, then nerf to like 15% or something and it still overpowered, then its current version

I dont play(ed) rogue much so I cant say for sure, only recalling what I heard

[thorn dock]

If he is too weak a buff could be suggested

[keen drum]

as a mount itd probably be even worse since you already use wings for the mobility post ml

trying to dodge with a mount would be rough for most bosses after duke

[small timber]

and if it is similar to fishron in that it is water mount then it will have its problem (of being useless) too

especially at that stage of the game

[keen drum]

fuck liquid based bonuses 🙏

[thorn dock]

Truffle could be buffed by simply having more dmg

By getting even faster again below 25%

Or by allowing the enraged below 50% form to be able to crit and therefore benefit from player crit bonuses

But removing him feels def wrong

[small timber]

I think the tldr is they see fishron mount exist, and the item have similar name, and really wanted a post-ML version

on top of mutated truffle being bad currently, so they completely disregarded the option to just buff it

[thorn dock]

Some1 suggest a buff for truffle? I like that item since it's unique.. Minion acc with implemented threshold interaction

[small timber]

item balance suggestion now are handled by pinging beta testers directly, but ya I think they do know mutated truffle is not very good

[thorn dock]

Oh just finished my truffle buff suggestion

[inner anvil]

Yes, Mutated Truffle is a "Bruh" of an accesory.

[small timber]

something like making it shoots projectile (tooth ball etc) might also works, currently all it does is ram

[sleek turret]

lil' vortexes maybe? like how it does in the original fight

[small timber]

the ironic thing is it is not even that much faster

[fossil finch]

make it a summon weapon i think

i know the sentry already exists
but you can have both

[small timber]

nah already have many summons at that stage, meanwhile summon (that is not minion slot) accessory are generally lacking

[fossil finch]

yes but as is if the summon accesory is.... a summon, does it really matter

[small timber]

at least it is somewhat unique I think

(and not consume mininon slot is somewhat relevant for some summons)

[fossil finch]

it's never gonna be more viable than any other slot or damage acc, at least not without a very big buff

[thorn dock]

Would also not like it a summon weapon that's a field it's easily outclassed in

[fossil finch]

i don't think what it has in uniqueness is justification for keeping it an acc honestly

[small timber]

I think the under 50% HP effect is strict enough to warrant for a good buff

[thorn dock]

But the idea of enhancing its attack pattern is pretty cool

[small timber]

just keep the accessory normally not very powerful, but get very strong under 50% (similar to 1 slot sirius in power etc) then it will be good

things like maybe damage buff under 50% , shooting projectile etc etc, but ya, it do need buff to be viable

[thorn dock]

Should I delete my post to alter it to improve mutated truffles enraged form?

[small timber]

you can just edit it if you want

no need to delete and rewrite

[thorn dock]

Would you like to make a sugg about it? Gonna delet it then. Also have to work soon^^

[small timber]

personally since the testers do know it is underpowered I will not really make a suggestion for it (since, well, they already know)

[small timber]

^

[thorn dock]

OK.. 1 second.. Critic is appreciated

Like this?

[small timber]

seems... fine I think?

[sleek turret]

yeah it's fine

[drowsy plank]

@thorn dock you have three suggestions in voting rn, you might want to take one down and hold it until your current ones pass, since you can only have two at a time

[small timber]

no that is a different person

default profile picture moment

[drowsy plank]

oml

whoops

[thorn dock]

No problem ^^

[drowsy plank]

it was all the same talk and they use the same prof so yeah i just assumed lmfao

[ashen warren]

God I thought that too lmao

[keen drum]

role colors when

[ashen warren]

get good and get one

[keen drum]

i thought the no hit roles arent obtainable anymore

[ashen warren]

they arent

:(

[keen drum]

[fossil mural]

Patreon donors get a role color still I think

And nitro boosters

[spring sail]

Yeah sacrificing a accessory slot for a mediocre summon when you can have 2 more minions is bruh

[gray nebula]

I jneed to make a slander post about <50% hp bonuses not being interesting, actua

Well OK maybe not all but making some minion stronger is not thr way

at least if its a buff to the player (ans ideally not just stats( it feels like ur actually going berserk

if its to some minion you don't even control like?? cool

[ashen warren]

having it be related to the low hp instead of just more damage or smth would be cooler

[frail mantle]

haha yeah that would be zany haha

[fierce laurel]

I know. Thats why I think this would be a good time to shift to a main Calamity subworld

[gray nebula]

I have a headache

[fossil finch]

god

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell

[fossil finch]

i believe from the (i do not know any of the lore) it doesn't fit (i do not know the lore i clearly do no

[eternal escarp]

ill just say the obvious

[small timber]

and incredibly specific at that

when EVERYTHING is a subworld, it is no longer special

just reserve it for things that should be reserved to be special

[eternal escarp]

Make little Meteor like biomes where the Astral Infection is in localized locations. Wulfrum Drones would be located near here to fight of the Infection.
why?

Drops from these little "Fragments" would allow you to open small rifts in biomes to summon Pre-Hardmode Bosses.
i dont really understand this

Beating WoF drops an item that allows you to make the Portal to the Astral World and make Astral versions of the overworld biomes.
also why? there isnt a reason anywhere in the entire sugg, not to note its pretty high effort afaik

I believe what little lore there is in Calamity doesnt line up with Terraria's Overworld, so having everything here makes things a little wierd and cluttered. Doing so will allow for more exploration into Calamity's lore and give more space to add bosses and events without flooding what little space we already have in the Overworld
what lore :clueless:

[fierce laurel]

so the little biomes would be so that you would still have your pre-hardmode stuff, the drops from these locations would let you summon bosses for phm.

the drop from WoF lets you go to the actual Astral Dimension, where the HM stuff would be.

And exactly, there isnt any lore, this would add a LOT of possibility to give it some lore.

[small timber]

why?

[fossil finch]

except there is lot of lore in game and there will be more

[small timber]

why does everything need to be a subworld?

[fossil finch]

also you act like the entirety of calamity is now the astral

what the fuck

[grim tusk]

Biomes are like intended to be reworked and theres new ones planned

[eternal escarp]

what ender said
the actual lore exists its just not ingame yet iirc (for the most part

[grim tusk]

It has been mentioned hundreds of times

[small timber]

make subworld an ocassion for special events/biome sure, but not all of them

[grim tusk]

(Not even finished)

[fossil finch]

there is enough lore in game to fucking

rip apart the entire suggestion

[eternal escarp]

((im not a lore guy so i dont fully know lo)

[fossil finch]

and that's just using the lore items

[small timber]

things stop being special if you just make it everything

[fossil finch]

and i'm not joking

[eternal escarp]

okay now im unironically curious

[grim tusk]

Lore items are cannon iirc

Bestiary has a few tidbits

But not much

[fossil finch]

yharim's comments can rip the suggestion apart

first of all, astral isn't a dimension

second, he comments on stuff like hell, ocean, crimson and corruption which are all vanilla biomes

his comments (and ties) on dungeon and sulphur sea also makes it very clear his reign takes up the "continent" terraria takes place in

amidias, perma and scal also make it clearer

[fierce laurel]

yes, the "astral world" which doesnt have to be another dimension, it could just be another location. It could be literally anywhere.

the whole idea I was suggestion that the area you go to would be an area of the overworld that has been taken over entirely

[fossil finch]

why would you do that

there's no need to do that

[small timber]

so literally another planet?

[fossil finch]

no

they mean literally just another part of the continent

point is, there still is no need to do that

[fierce laurel]

because it would give more area for Calamity to play with

[fossil finch]

calamity doesn't need more area to play with

[small timber]

what is the point of introducing a subworld that is literally empty space?

[fossil finch]

and it also would make no sense the entire thing is infected

[fierce laurel]

The terraria biomes are already cluttered as it is, the entire point of the suggestion is to unclutter it

[small timber]

what is it that the subworld must do that the current astral biome dont already do

[fossil finch]

dude 80% of the world is caves

normal caves

[small timber]

.

[fossil finch]

a big chunk of it is also empty sky

[cobalt pewter]

has no one called a dev for this sugg
#suggestions-posting message

[fierce laurel]

there's 7 surface biomes, 12 underground biomes, and an underworld.

[fossil finch]

no

who cares

[eternal escarp]

lo

[fossil finch]

most of the underworld is useless and will be replaced with the reworked crags

most of those biomes aren't that big

[eternal escarp]

just ping them first feedz

[cobalt pewter]

so true bestie

[fossil finch]

just stating numbers doesn't do anything

[cobalt pewter]

yeah just asking here first in case I am being a dumdum

[fossil finch]

terraria isn't an excel

[eternal escarp]

to my knowledge there wasnt a dev call

so yea

[fierce laurel]

exactly the Brimstone Crag is the only biome besides the Sea that doesnt invade on the worlds limited space

[small timber]

but ya regardless since this probably will not go anywhere, tldr:

[cobalt pewter]

why did I say devs

[small timber]

so you cant even suggest it, so ya just left it there for now

[cobalt pewter]

I meant mods

lo

either way

[eternal escarp]

nor mods i guess

[fossil finch]

anyways at leon

or brav

or whoever you wish to bother more

[cobalt pewter]

imma ask the person with the sugg first ig

[fossil finch]

anyways my final point about the suggestion is that even if they had no space for their future biome plans both your reasoning and your idea sucks

destroyed+owned+ratio

[cobalt pewter]

@sly root try omitting the whole numbers (the speed and drop rate) from your Mutated Truffle sugg

and maybe detail the reason why that needs to be reworked

[keen drum]

#suggestions-posting message this is probably a bit out of reach rn

@fierce laurel

[cobalt pewter]

I am pretty sure there's a conversation about it atm

[fossil finch]

they were already told

[cobalt pewter]

no need to ping again

[keen drum]

oh alright mb

cool idea though

[fierce laurel]

yes I know, this is in no means a "DO IT NOW" thing. It was an idea and a suggestion. The point of it isnt to get this implemented atm, the idea is in the air, and the devs can do what they want with it

[fossil finch]

its not actually
that shrimple i thi

[keen drum]

yeah fair

i think theyre already working on a subworld

[small timber]

^ , the suggestion is so grand scale that it is (likely) invalid

[fossil finch]

the idea still sucks

[fierce laurel]

They will still look at it at some point, and be able to pick out of it if they want to

I just wanted to put the thought out there for them

[fossil finch]

i think it's invalid solely going by the fact it'd enter direct conflict with their ideas for literally every biome rework

they don't need it they have better ideas

👍

[small timber]

I can also just suggest "rework every death mode bosses to be more interesting", and say it is not a do it now thing, but that doesn't take away the fact that I just ask the devs to rework every single bosses

[fossil finch]

simply do not make an arena that big

that simple i think

you don't need an arena that big

[fierce laurel]

Yes I know. again, its an idea and suggestion that they can do what they want with

[fossil finch]

and they wont do anything because its bad

[small timber]

@ashen warren exo mechs do not require nearly as much arena as people think

[fossil finch]

also like

the main reasoning i think is not very valid

because you simply don't need a big arena

every boss would be denied if you had a world wide arena

[small timber]

it makes it easier if the player choose to do it, but doesnt mean it is necessary; you can say "make a subworld for cryogen because falling the entire world will make cryogen easier and cryogen is harder without it", but doesn't change the fact that it is beatable without it

[fossil finch]

the idea that because exos are specifically more denied by it doesn't mean they have to help you make an arena to deny them when you can just fight them normally

[fierce laurel]

Yea i know, i was just thinking about the expansion of the mod and the idea of how they can add more content if they wanted to without making the overworld just a cluster-f of content.

[small timber]

most of the world is actually rather empty, it just feels clustered because of the V shape biome spawn on WoF defeat that makes evil biome get duplicated

[fossil finch]

this is it im opening tmod

if i don't have an screenshot of the entire world already that is

[fierce laurel]

im thinking more of the when you play with a lot of mods. I know if you just run Calamity it really isnt that much, I'm just tying in the fact that a lot of people play with a lot of mods that add biomes and stuff. To say every mod needs their own subworld is crazy. But I think a mod on the scale of calamity would benefit from it in the long run

[fossil finch]

well calamity doesn't build itself around that

so it's not really a valid reason either way

[fossil bronze]

better idea: make running away from exo mechs not be good

[fossil finch]

standard vampy W

[small timber]

there will never be enough space for biomes if you mix mod; calamity is not designed to be mixed with other (major content) mods

for calamity alone, adding subworld for things like astral will just be a world full of empty space that has no use, because there is not enough content for that (to fill the space)

[eternal escarp]

if i had a nickel everytime someones high effort suggestion was backed up by "this isnt an IMMEDIATE sugg, devs can pick it if they want" i'd have around 5 nickels this last month and a bit

[fierce laurel]

all that empty space would be all for calamity tho. Obv the point of the whole thing would be they can fill that with their content and their content alone. Nothing would be able to mix in, and it can be all theirs

[small timber]

why do we need more empty space? especially that you have enough when you play calamity by itself

[eternal escarp]

regardless of how well you can protect your suggestion idea wise it simply is going over suggestion rules

[fierce laurel]

I meant like pick from it, not pick the suggestion. I know they wont just grab my suggestion and go with the whole thing.

[eternal escarp]

still

[fossil bronze]

more space to add bosses and events
i don't think there's that much more stuff planned for that kind of thing

[quiet kernel]

Yeah mixing mods is dum

[eternal escarp]

And I think that it’s a bit of a middle finger to players that don’t use these huge QoL mods, knowing that there’s other people that erase a whole world in second
why would it be a middle finger if you arent actually needing to destroy your world

you can fight them in a surface amount of space pretty fine in a normal playthrough

[fossil bronze]

i'm pretty sure there's only a few more bosses planned to be added, and i don't really think they'll need their own subworld

[eternal escarp]

if anything people who destroy their whole worlds are middle fingering the boss itself

[quiet kernel]

Exos are more than doable with out whole world arenas

[drowsy plank]

use dynamite

or a rocket launcher

man these are some really bad suggs lmao

this is again, even assuming you need an arena that big

[eternal escarp]

which you dont

[drowsy plank]

exactly

[umbral dew]

every day there are bad suggestions

[drowsy plank]

i know

they make me weep

[eternal escarp]

either way ill just cut to the chase

[quiet kernel]

Its just the day after the 1.5 most nohitted exos with the whole world arenas

[umbral dew]

also like 3 suggestions that you are told NOT to suggest

[eternal escarp]

@cosmic jungle could you exclaim this sugg due to this Don't
#suggestions-posting message

[small timber]

you dont need to fall the whole world to beat exo mechs, not even close; it is one of the way to exploit the AI because nohitters wants to make the fight as easy as possible

to beat exo mechs, you probably only need a yharon size arena

[quiet kernel]

So many people think that is what you have to do

[small timber]

probably with more horizontal than vertical space, and that is literally it

[cosmic jungle]

well its gone

[eternal escarp]

well yes
blank world is not something youll get in a normal world though

[fierce laurel]

I did it for you

[eternal escarp]

oh, welp

[grim tusk]

Well theres another sugg

[small timber]

then the problem lies in the fact that you can beat the boss by falling the entire world; not the fact that you cannot dig out the entire world to trivialize the boss is a problem

[grim tusk]

To exclam

[eternal escarp]

blank worlds can pretty much be considered as a cheese method

and a really high effort cheese which

[cosmic jungle]

oh the exo mech one?

[eternal escarp]

frankly isnt the mods issue as much as its the players

nono

they did remove the sugg

[drowsy plank]

@ the tesla potion thing, you can probably just remove the inside effect entirely lmao
you only really need the electricity (for aesthetics) and the outer ring, kinda like inferno

[eternal escarp]

thanks either way omega

no because you dont need a massive world

[small timber]

that was suggested before and denied I think

[eternal escarp]

[grim tusk]

The exo one really feels like an ❗

[fossil bronze]

you need to get permission to suggest changes to crystyl crusher anyway iirc

[drowsy plank]

i mean once u have scal gear you can do exos way easier lmao

[cosmic jungle]

its still a dev item so yea

[cosmic jungle]

not like you need to destroy your whole world to beat exos anyway

[grim tusk]

Just suggest cosmilite pickaxe

[grim tusk]

Or more mining accs

[eternal escarp]

you cant really argue to make exos have a world sized arena more easily accessible to make the boss easier imo

esp when the boss is indeed, just fine in a normal surface on any normal playthrough world

[drowsy plank]

cosmilite pickaxe

that's a good sugg

[small timber]

people are just too used to the idea that the only way to beat Exo Mechs is an entire world arena, just because nohitters do it

but the catch is nohitters will try to trivialize things as much as possible because they are inherently doing a challenge

[eternal escarp]

am a nohitter, can agree

[grim tusk]

^

[cosmic jungle]

nohitters use cheat sheet

[eternal escarp]

you dont need to even arena it tbh, just use the surface as is

maybe removing some sky islands

[grim tusk]

You dont need the whole surface for exos either

[eternal escarp]

that too

[cosmic jungle]

the surface is enough yeah

[grim tusk]

Heck i have a world with a surface arena and rarely used more than 1/3

[small timber]

you probably can just put down like 2 rows of platform and you are good ye

[eternal escarp]

something i would actually want to see is easier methods to place platforms down

THAT is something that should be easier

[small timber]

really only clearing planetoid is a chore

[grim tusk]

At that point you have the luminite drill, fuckton of mining boosts, explosives

[small timber]

and this ya (though 1.4.4/1.5 vanilla said something something platform boots, not sure)

[grim tusk]

And next patch the wulfrum diggers

[eternal escarp]

if it happans that would be mega based

[umbral dew]

arent rails better because you can smoothly fall through

[fossil bronze]

platforms should have bonus range or something

[eternal escarp]

you cant stand on rails

so

ech

[grim tusk]

Hammered down platforms

[small timber]

candles help

[cosmic jungle]

hammering down the platforms is very awful

[small timber]

and if your platform are relatively spaced out it dont really interrupt your movement

[fossil finch]

there is an instant rail builder already but an instant platform builder would be cool too

[eternal escarp]

more like faster use speed iirc

[fossil bronze]

most annoying part of platform placing imo is that you can't just hold down a direction key and place platforms

[eternal escarp]

you dont need to hammer platforms

[fossil finch]

they hsould have both

[eternal escarp]

thats another nohitter moment

[cosmic jungle]

yep

[quiet kernel]

If you could fall through platforms without hammering

[umbral dew]

it isnt really a good idea to stand still during the exo mech fight in the first place

[fossil finch]

nohitters when theres a 3 ms delay in touching the tile and passing through it

[quiet kernel]

It would be great

[small timber]

isnt there something said about calamity's "hold S to fall faster" feature will make you fall through solid platform seemlessly? (to be introduced)

[eternal escarp]

but its usefull to have a platform to walk on

[fossil bronze]

when i fought exos i just made a long platform to make it easier to land and keep moving

no other terrain prep at all

and that was fine

[eternal escarp]

tbf, many people suggested exo mech arena things under the assumption they need a world sized arena, so i dont entirely blame you

[quiet kernel]

Wasnt there some talking about exos team phases being cooler

[eternal escarp]

but the chances of the sugg passing and being made are pretty low

[grim tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/939470878394179624/4C69F362-F968-43A8-A511-149D9A36A5C0.gif

[drowsy plank]

true

[eternal escarp]

i hate this gif

[grim tusk]

In infernum or base Cal?

[quiet kernel]

Base cal, though I could have been dreaming

Because that wouldnt be the first time

[grim tusk]

Probably confusing it with Infernum or dreaming

[hybrid musk]

I'm a bit confused as to whether you discuss here first and then make the post, but either way I already posted it lol
how about increasing the transparency of the tesla potion, it's just really tough to see through which makes using it more of a detriment a lot of the time. I've been doing some no-hits, and despite the slowdown effect the lightning is too visually distracting and the effect isn't very clear so it's hard to quickly move towards or around enemies with it

[fossil finch]

im pretty sure there was a general dev consensus team phases could be made cooler and that fabsol agreed

[quiet kernel]

Yeah, thought so

[quiet kernel]

Fr?

[grim tusk]

What happens in vc, stays in vc

[fossil finch]

i never join vcs

get trolled

[fossil bronze]

average voice chat fan vs average text chat enjoyer

[quiet kernel]

Btw when will the brimstone monster portal thingy come

[eternal escarp]

i assume you mean scal's brimstone monster resprite

it will come with its finished iirc

[grim tusk]

And if there was probably not public

[quiet kernel]

Yeah

[fossil bronze]

this reminds me
are the scal projectile resprites still not in

[grim tusk]

Same goes for Patron server

[quiet kernel]

Nah

Sadly

[grim tusk]

Skulls did

[swift wharf]

I just realized that the sexomechs arena sugg has a dev item in it

[quiet kernel]

The ones tobias did?

[swift wharf]

nvm I missed a bit of the convo

[quiet kernel]

Really liked them

[fossil bronze]

did tobias do the original resprite that got accepted or was there another

it's been so long i don't remember

[quiet kernel]

Wasnt it like last year

When tobias submitted

[fossil finch]

except i literally told you it is

i've never visited a vc

[quiet kernel]

Yeah last year

[fossil finch]

it was definitely a thing some dev said publicly by text

[cobalt pewter]

@cosmic jungle the dude didn't seem to respond when I pinged so maybe you wanna do smth about this sugg

#suggestions-posting message

[fossil bronze]

damn

[small timber]

^ (tldr it is abit too specific), and lack reasoning (this item is not strong, lets destroy its core concept and rework it entirely)

[swift wharf]

bad to the bone riff

[cosmic jungle]

makes sense

[fossil finch]

those aren't in yet because they want to put all of them at once i think

[cobalt pewter]

[cosmic jungle]

red exclamation mark

[grim tusk]

Why dont you back it up with a source?

[fossil finch]

the source is that

[grim tusk]

Oh these are not in yet

Pretty sure that ment the mecha mayhem phases

[small timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZg6d688vkA (basically a video where I fight expert death exo mechs in an unaltered world)
ok done, abit too late but ya just to prove a point, the world was a newly created world that is not altered

to nohit exo mechs, a gigantic arena is used because it makes thing easier
but to beat exo mechs, you need no way near the arena setup that people tend to assume

[quiet kernel]

Yeah tobias made them just after the 1.5 I think

I could be wrong

[swift wharf]

whatever you used for DoG is good for emechs

[fossil finch]

the mecha mayhem phases clearly do not have team attacks

anyways i don't get why you're so opposed to an idea so basic being public knowledge already

[quiet kernel]

Yeah they are just slower normal attacks at the same time

[grim tusk]

Back it up with a source

[fossil finch]

i don't have to prove anything to a tester i think

even if it wasn't its a very popular idea to ask for exos to have and i wouldn't see why fabsol would be opposed to it at all

[quiet kernel]

Also I had an idea of twins and ares getting rid of the screen lock sometimes, that true melee could hit them, but I know it would be really hard to implement

[fossil finch]

THE SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP

[eternal escarp]

they did infact make it the fuck up!

[grim tusk]

Alr so it was public

[quiet kernel]

Also it would look dum

[small timber]

classic soon™️ devplans.png moment

[grim tusk]

So gaslighting clearly failed

[fossil finch]

you can't gaslight me

[grim tusk]

I thought you had a mole in dev or pateron for a moment

[fossil finch]

you can never gaslight me into forgetting something

[swift wharf]

[fossil finch]

also exo twins are hittable while they dash with true melee

or with dragon rage

iirc

[eternal escarp]

this implies you dont trust some people in dev 🤨

[grim tusk]

The active ones i trust since i now know em

And few innactives since i know em from other places

[fossil finch]

i do have a mole in dev and patreon its called me

[eternal escarp]

i was joking you dont need to dissect it kekw

[quiet kernel]

Yeah, and as I said it would be still hard to implement without it looking dum

[fossil finch]

(i am actually an alt of fabso

[quiet kernel]

I am nobodys alt

I am just me

[lusty flame]

they gotta add hardmode evil biome bosses(ik there is hallowed bosses) I meant for like corruption and crimson

[quiet kernel]

Why though

We still have three planned bosses

And those are far away

[lusty flame]

why does jungle have so many tho

[quiet kernel]

Yeah

[hybrid musk]

what are the 3 bosses?

[quiet kernel]

Yharim, Noxus, Xeroc

Yharim will be the last boss of the base playthrough

[umbral dew]

i hope there are there are minibosses planned between them because otherwise it would be a bit fast

[small timber]

most jungle bosses are vanilla?

pbg is jungle themed, yharon will (eventually) moved out of jungle, I cant think of other examples

of right folly, but with yharon change it might change too

when yharon get its own biome

oh ok

[drowsy plank]

QB, Plantera, PBG, Dragonfolly, Yharon

oh right

Golem

so 6

the only one that even comes close is Hallow with Queen Slime, Empress, Profaned Guardians, and Providence

and Hell too i guess but only by a technicality

[small timber]

I think with consideration that many of them are vanilla boss it is actually not that imbalanced (jg = 3 vanilla, hallow = 2 vanilla)

[drowsy plank]

while i think a reason to go back to the World Evils wouldn't hurt, I'm sure we could think of something more interesting than shoving another boss into them

they kinda fall off after you stop caring about ichor and cursed flames

[hybrid musk]

oceans have duke, old duke, leviathan, and AEW

[drowsy plank]

scourge too

[hybrid musk]

I knew I was forgetting one lol

[drowsy plank]

jungle and ocean be getting all the love

but for real some kind of post-Moon Lord reason to return to the World Evils would be very nice actually

[hybrid musk]

yeah, but worth mentioning

[fossil finch]

i wouldn't count aew at all and as is for sulph sea

i don't think world evils have to be relevant post ml

[drowsy plank]

they dont, but it could be nice, because even other biomes will have a purpose

[small timber]

the thing is world evil is just, not really a thing you want (I mean in your playthrough) just because it actively harm your biomes

[fossil finch]

not every content™️ has to be relevant™️ in every piece of progression©️

exactly!!!!

[drowsy plank]

fair

[fossil finch]

other biomes will have a purpose!!!

[cobalt pewter]

ultimately drills are useless tbh

no one seemed to like it and even with the buffs pickaxes would still be faster

that said I fucking love drills but I hate the fact that no one just doesn't want to make fun drills to use

[fossil finch]

they don't have to

[quiet kernel]

If world evils would have post ml content then what kind of content would it be

[small timber]

having a post-ML boss means you have to keep your evil biome intact or you have no arena for later (considering how much mobility most post-ML bosses need)

[drowsy plank]

was not saying boss whatsoever

[fossil finch]

also a post ml evil boss would suck

[drowsy plank]

we dont need more bosses

[fossil finch]

even if it was theoretically evil 2 moved

[hybrid musk]

does snow biome only have deerclops and cryogen?

[fossil finch]

yes

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[small timber]

cosmilite drill will probably not be useless, most drills are limited by the fact that their pick range sucks to the point that they run out of things to dig
I imagine cosmilite drill will have sufficient pick range to avoid that problem

[quiet kernel]

AEW is just an illusion

[hybrid musk]

snow biome is the most boring vanilla biome rn imo

[small timber]

jokes on you sunken sea is getting reworked

[quiet kernel]

Music in there is really good

[fossil finch]

drills suck because they're always slower than pickaxes

they do not benefit from mining speed

[cobalt pewter]

honestly this is a good meme because even with that in mind, this is still literally sunken sea

idk if beetlejuicing is the right term for it but yea

[cobalt pewter]

also wtf meme

die

[hybrid musk]

I thought drills were faster so I always make them 💀

[small timber]

yes

[lusty flame]

now it is right\

[drowsy plank]

true but when i say "drill" i dont mean it has to be a drill
the wulfrum gear has some wacky stuff, i could easily imagine whatever tool would be created by this, it could be something more unique

[quiet kernel]

Cosmilite jackhammer

[small timber]

cosmilite onyx excavator

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[quiet kernel]

Terraria 1.5, now with jackhammers

What would the jackhammers even do

Pre 1.4 drills but worse could be fun

[small timber]

shovels but for everything, 3x3 dig

[quiet kernel]

Exactly

[small timber]

happening soon™️

[quiet kernel]

For the memes

[quiet kernel]

Coming to a underground astral pizza hut near you

[hardy dock]

Mfw Blossom Pickaxe is the only reason Providence is required

[swift wharf]

post ML having only one modded axe is weird too

that being grax

which is also dedicated content iirc

[hybrid musk]

does wulfrum have any lore or is it just some early game thing that has no explanation?
the bestiary entries don't say anything and I don't see anything on the wiki
you'd think that if the wulfrum enemies were so common they'd have some reason to be there

I want more wulfrum related stuff unless I'm stupid and just don't know

[swift wharf]

?

[hybrid musk]

:0

[lusty flame]

wulfrom boss

needs to come

frum

[hybrid musk]

anyways I was saying that because this morning I was thinking about calamity, and you've got stuff like aerialite which makes sky related stuff, cryonic ore which makes ice stuff, etc.
I hope one day I will learn what the heck a "wulfrum" is

[fossil finch]

wulfrum is a modified version of wolfram or some shit which is a word for tungsten

it's just some random weakish metal

[small timber]

Why make wulfrum boss when you can become the wulfrum boss

[quiet kernel]

You can become John Wulfrum

[small timber]

https://fxtwitter.com/IbanPlays/status/1552342539486773249

(oh shit embeded)

Fuck I dont know how to delete this on mobile

[quiet kernel]

BE John Wulfrum

[small timber]

Ok there
No embed spoilers

[fossil finch]

fx twitter doesn't

pretty sure its

vx now

(you'd still have to turn off the embed

[small timber]

Not sure, I copied link from somewhere else, it do work though

[hybrid musk]

I hope the rework adds wulfrum lore because machines with unknown origin doesn't cut it for me
like slimes have lore, way more than most people expect lol, and even more with calamity

[swift wharf]

not everything needs lore

maybe they'll get some after the lore rework

but who knows

[hybrid musk]

when you think about why these robots are roaming the surface for the entire game and they're made out of a metal similar to tungsten that can't be obtained anywhere else, it raises a lot of questions

but the current lore is just

it doesn't have to be a boss or something crazy, but it'd be so cool if they added some clues about it

like a random item description or smthn at least

[small timber]

I think they can easily add some small lores to that

I liked the original lore of how wulfrum are basically garbage metals reused by a (secret individual) to be recreated into robots and so on

(though not sure how it fits the new wulfrum items design)

[fossil finch]

the current lore is perfect for them

[hybrid musk]

how

[small timber]

What is the current lore again? Since it is always changing

[fossil finch]

it confirms a long standing theory about them being scouting/zone defense drones and only really leaves their origins in the shadow

but their origins isn't important at all

[hybrid musk]

but what's the point if the scout drones go nowhere

[fossil finch]

the point is that they're old

the area they scouted isn't relevant anymore

the area they defended no longer exists

Yet their cores still shine with energy, as ever standing automatons that know nothing else