they are kind of balanced with potions in mind
#suggestions-discussion
small timber
Oh you mean SP7, ya that one can telefrag sometimes
I made it a habit where I basically stay static before the charge so I dont get telefragged by that anymore
frosty trellis
I have done a little bit of testing myself and while I forgot about the alcohol thing, that could be replaced with other potions of similar effects (that and Ian said my times were about right anyways)
swift wharf
also if you die to a boss hundreds of times then you're just bad 
frosty trellis
Oh you mean SP7, ya that one can telefrag sometimes
I made it a habit where I b...
I don't remember when sp7 starts, and even then below 30% getting clipped by the telefrags is not hard to do
cursive vapor
that bosses are too hard without potions
swift wharf
they are not but ok
frosty trellis
Bosses are balanced around a balanced build, since that's generally what most players would do, is use a more balanced build
And with potions in mind
That are not alcohols because of the downsides, leading a lot of players to not use them
fossil finch
potions shouldnt have to be balanced around potions stat-wise at all but its either that or rebalancing every potion in a way drastic enough it may make them useless )at least to the average player's eyes who needs 30% more dps per potion or its bad automatically
small timber
I don't remember when sp7 starts, and even then below 30% getting clipped by the...
SP7 is 16.5%, where yhaton tp charge, charge BH
I remember SP6 can telefrag too (36.5%), but ya staying static helps
Though you can also use the duke fishron P3 logic, where yharon always tp to the your opposite side
frosty trellis
Potions give you A LOT of benefits and can change a lot of things in a battle
fossil finch
potions shouldnt have to be balanced around potions stat-wise at all but its eit...
)this i think
cursive vapor
potions should not be mandatory at all, without which killing the boss turns into a challenge
fossil finch
they aren't mandatory lol
frosty trellis
SP7 is 16.5%, where yhaton tp charge, charge BH
I remember SP6 can telefrag too...
Fair. Duke I already just stand still and just ram with valor, so should do that next time I fight Yharon. Just sometimes the dashes can also come out faster than I can react, which can lead to many unfortunate deaths
small timber
Fair. Duke I already just stand still and just ram with valor, so should do that...
Ye it pretty much is just fight it until you remember the timing
(Which is one of the reason I made the yharon telegraph sugg, currently is a bit unfair since you cant really react, just have to know)
fossil finch
people will really conflate (This is the word right, if it isn't, exaggerate) everything that makes the game slightly more challenging by not using it with mandatory
frosty trellis
potions should not be mandatory at all, without which killing the boss turns int...
They aren't, the mod is just balanced around potions because people are going to use them (why wouldn't you? Not using potions is a self imposed challenge which the mod does not balance around)
cursive vapor
potions are power-ups, and any power-up must come at a cost, be it time or boredom
swift wharf
"cost"
frosty trellis
Ye it pretty much is just fight it until you remember the timing
(Which is one ...
Yeah. I have gotten better at being able to not die as easily anymore (My Master-Death run had a surprising 8 attempts for Yharon, my most for Yharon on Death being 24) but yeah, I will pay better attention next time
swift wharf
buys 100 of every potion
fossil finch
SLAM SLAM
HAVE BOREDOM
AS A COST FOR ANYTHING
SLAM
GAMES ARE TO HAVE FUN
anyways i think i vented
frosty trellis
LOL
small timber
Ya, the tldr of this is if you dont use potions at all:
You will have below average dps and kill time for bosses, you will do ok on defense, and you dont really need movement potions and your gear do just fine
swift wharf
Ender is feeling outrageous
fossil finch
anyways no power ups don't have to come at "costs"
seeing it that way is stupid
frosty trellis
It ain't mandatory to use potions
Hell, it's not mandatory to use wasd to beat Calamity
frosty trellis
Hell, it's not mandatory to use wasd to beat Calamity
Someone did it without
fossil finch
if you want
frosty trellis
Saying it's "mandatory" is just wrong
frosty trellis
Like farming bosses for money then buying them from alchlite 
cursive vapor
if you don’t want to get long or boring power-ups in the form of potions, just don’t use them, you’ll also get more fun, because the boss will be more difficult
frosty trellis
Fun is subjective
It's a self imposed challenge
If you like that stuff, go ahead. You will have fun with it
Not everyone will
^
Like, I am used to the difficulty of death and find that fun, but with Malice or For The Worthy? I will pass
small timber
I find potion minmaxing to be part of the fun on gearing so ye
frosty trellis
E X A C T L Y
burnt condor
if using potions are expected in the balancing of the bosses, then to have a fair shot at the bosses you have to use potions. maybe mandatory isn’t the right word but I think it’s close if you aren’t overwhelmingly fantastic at the game
stuck cave
also like if you don't want potions from npcs just don't buy them
you don't need to disable the feature lmao
the recipes still exist
frosty trellis
^
cursive vapor
and if the bosses are sooo difficult without potions that disable a few complications instead of farming a potion of that
frosty trellis
They aren't terribly difficult without potions. Far from
You will just be killing them slower and have less defense to work with.
small timber
if using potions are expected in the balancing of the bosses, then to have a fai...
I think all the potions you need to have a fair shot at the boss is:
Food buff, regen, lifeforce (depend on gear), rage and wrath (or at least one of them)
And thats it
frosty trellis
Or Cadance instead of Regen and lifeforce
small timber
And currently all of them are sold by npc
I know we are on a discussion on removing npc potion selling, but this is just to give a perspective on how much potions you need
frosty trellis
Yeah
Those are the main ones that are helpful
I like having the candles as well but those are pricey
swift wharf
evil fab be like
cursive vapor
also like if you don't want potions from npcs just don't buy them
I can just not buy them but if I can't physically buy them because of the setup then it will bring me more pleasure, that's why I'm here to improve my enjoyment when playing
swift wharf
what
stuck cave
that's a you thing
swift wharf
stuck cave
and i don't understand it but i doubt more than a couple dozen people might feel the same
frosty trellis
Yeah
The mod does not have to be balanced around your enjoyment. It's not your mod
swift wharf
Your honor,
frosty trellis
If you don't want to do x thing and make the game harder on yourself, by all means, no one can stop you
swift wharf
cursive vapor
and i don't understand it but i doubt more than a couple dozen people might feel...
that's why I ask for the setting so that only those same couple of dozen people turn it on
swift wharf
fuck the minorities
stuck cave
there is literally no reason to make it a feature
frosty trellis
THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING YOU
swift wharf
real mental gymnastics hours
frosty trellis
When can Rover get here and make configs a suggestion don't already 
cursive vapor
The mod does not have to be balanced around *your* enjoyment. It's not *your* mo...
it's like I'm forcing someone to enter it, I just suggested it and I hope that someone will support it, I'm not saying that it should be introduced
stuck cave
i-
if you don't think it should be introduced you aren't supposed to suggest anything
swift wharf
It's not even forced onto you like movement speed buffs
frosty trellis
Wdym you're forcing someone to enter it?
fossil finch
by suggesting it youre
Youre basically saying it should be introduced thats the point
stuck cave
^^^^
small timber
Configs are basicslly bandaids ya
It is much better to solve the roots of the problem itself rather than just bandaid solution everything
swift wharf
Configs are good when they're not the nuclear option™️
frosty trellis
And considering potion buying from NPCs isn't a problem and if you don't want too, just don't, then there isn't a reason for it
swift wharf
If something changes the game a LOT, then they're fine
small timber
If they want to remove npc potion selling, just do it, no need for configs
Just have to introduce better potion acquisition method, as it is bad to the point of being the reason that npc sells potion in the first place
cursive vapor
besides, the basis of the proposal is to make the summons of the bosses to the moonlord consumable, the potions are only additional
swift wharf
If something changes the game a LOT, then they're fine
like hardmode ore reworks
frosty trellis
Would say the potion part is unecessary, but the boss summon one fixed the fighting weaker bosses for money being the best method and doesn't impact gameplay that much
small timber
I think focus on one of them, or make 2 suggestions
cursive vapor
besides, I don’t buy potions anyway, I ask that my friends don’t buy them
frosty trellis
I think focus on one of them, or make 2 suggestions
^
small timber
The two are not really related, other than just what you think should be changed
Let people have easier time vote on it by focusing on idea 1 at a time
burnt condor
that’s up to your friends, then
frosty trellis
Would focus on the boss summon one
cursive vapor
I think focus on one of them, or make 2 suggestions
ok i will do that
cursive vapor
that’s up to your friends, then
if I could just get them to change certain settings before playing, that would be a lot easier than negotiating with them
fossil bronze
if they refuse to not buy potions anyway, why would that change anything though
cursive vapor
I changed the suggestion, now it is only about disabling the purchase of event summoning items and the non-consumability of boss and event summoning items
hollow shell
Ah finally we're getting suggestions for background objects
grim tusk
This is the third i think
First was ❗ since port wasnt out
Second idk what happened to it
drowsy plank
neat
keen zodiac
wow hydrothermic looks like sht /hj
fossil mural
That's a cute suggestion
west prairie
I do like the idea of adding some funni clouds
swift wharf
amazing suggestion
inner anvil
It's in Spanish lmao.
cursive vapor
shitpost
hollow shell
@analog cradle Do not post joke suggestions please
@charred fossil Do not post joke suggestions please.
fossil finch
no yeah this is it im going back in time and killing non linearity this is ridiculous
drowsy plank
lmao
esp considering the difficulty difference between a single reaper shark and polterghast
or providence
icy heath
@trail dagger I get what you are saying, and it indeed is frustrating. (Similar to farming voltaic jelly for half an hour and the nrealizing it cannot drop if you havent killed DS). But getting those items before Polterghast would make a lot of the balance a joke. Especially since Reaper shark just lets you kill him sometimes.
hollow shell
I do get what he's saying
I'm wondering if the level of challenge in defeating an Abyss miniboss is comparable to something like defeating Ana & Levi in PreHardmode (something we do reward)
hollow shell
Cuz on one hand they're intended to be fought much further on the game and it's in the Abyss which is trecherous
But on the other hand they are only minibosses with much more similar behavior compared to Ana & Levi
eternal escarp
i think collossal squids are nullified by blocks and reaper sharks out of water (if you cqn get it out) are basically eye of cthulhu half the time
fossil finch
layer 3 and 4 are the most punishing and..... pre hardmode you don't have that much
getting there is already a problem because everything will oneshot you
trail dagger
Currently, the depths of the Abyss are a challenge, available right from the start. The player shouldn't be punished for accepting the challenge earlier than expected.
fossil finch
i don't think the player should be rewarded either
because at this point it's a bit ridiculous i think
getting post poltro gear in phmode is leagues above almost every other possible progression skip in the game
even if this would be also arguably the hardest
hollow shell
I'm trying to think of some middle-ground
trail dagger
@fossil finch that might be true, but lack of an appropriate reward is punishment on its own: The player sinks so much time/energy/resources. There needs to be some sort of payoff
west prairie
The main issue is getting post polter stuff right after moonlord
It’s not the early game jump you should worry about
icy heath
I mean Reaper Tooth is ok. But Calamaris, absolutely not
fossil finch
in general i think calamity's many progression skips are unhealthy to itself
They somewhat are an incentive to completely disregard a lot of calamity's content even if most players will not do it
grim tusk
as if killing AS pre-hm was easy
eternal escarp
I'm trying to think of some middle-ground
locking those layers in some shape by making delving into them early harder ig?
hollow shell
I don't think opening the drops at an earlier tier, say directly Post-Moon Lord rather than Post-Polter, would be a good idea
Because, while that would be comparable to us opening up skips after major progression steps (like Eidolon Tablets becoming available after WoF, Jungle Dragon Egg becoming available after ML (technically Solar Pillar)),
the player does not actually get any new Abyss survival tools after Polterghast. Abyssal Diving Suit is a Luminite craft
So players could very easily treat the Miniboss drops as directly post-ML content without too much struggle
eternal escarp
or making air not lower your hp to 100 and stop there
fossil finch
last i checked it was with the proper setup that was also not ahrd to make
But at that point its about who will choose to it and who won't
and that's not something we can properly know
grim tusk
teleporter
eternal escarp
I don't think opening the drops at an earlier tier, say directly Post-Moon Lord ...
oh yeah it is a luminite craft
wack
drowsy plank
you could make the deeper abyss minibosses just drop the post-Calamitas items until polter is defeated
eternal escarp
honestly interesting idea
icy heath
The mains problem with the Abyss Bosses dropping stuff early is how cheesable they are. Sometimes they even do it themselfes. And the Air can be just be ignored with teleporters or HomePotions.
drowsy plank
that way you still get some benefit but it isn't. entire game skip
hollow shell
you could make the deeper abyss minibosses just drop the post-Calamitas items un...
That crossed my mind yeah
Not a terrible idea
Well
eternal escarp
flak kraken dropped by kraken
grim tusk
rogues killing giant squid for a better chance for ink bomb
west prairie
you could make the deeper abyss minibosses just drop the post-Calamitas items un...
Probably still some issues there but not a bad idea
fossil finch
hardlock later abyss layers until later in progression
icy heath
you could make the deeper abyss minibosses just drop the post-Calamitas items un...
Thats a good idea
fossil finch
rogues killing giant squid for a better chance for ink bomb
i dont think the solution to ink bomb's grind is making people do giant squid in phmode
drowsy plank
honestly you could just add a mildly strong weapon that always drops from them but is scaled in power for around mid-to-late Hardmode similarly to killing Levi early
west prairie
honestly you could just add a mildly strong weapon that always drops from them b...
And we’re back at old halibut cannon
fossil finch
not really
drowsy plank
this wouldn't scale it'd just be a One Off Thing, and you'd easily get it once you can fight them on tier
fossil finch
old halibut was all game encompassing
they just mean a weapon with the power level of mid hm
drowsy plank
yeah
drowsy plank
yeah lmao nah fuck that
hollow shell
Wondering if it would be possible to re-add something like the ole "IOU An Item"
Except making the crafts be earlier than Polterghast to still reward the player
Like uhh imagine
If you defeat any of the Abyss minibosses before Calamitas/Plantera, you get rewarded with a respective IOU
(Then after you defeat Cal/Plant, the IOUs don't drop anymore)
Then you can craft those IOUs with Luminite to get their respective item
So you've got delayed gratification for doing the fights early, in a way that doesn't break balance too hard
It's a bit clunky of a solution but
It's an idea
drowsy plank
not a bad one
west prairie
“Abyssal gamer cred”
drowsy plank
make them like, shark tooth fragments that need ectoplasm to be crafted into reaper teeth?
eternal escarp
actually an IOU and more of a normal material
trail dagger
It sounds like the general thought so far is that lower Abyss monsters are too easy to cheese to drop their full loot at any point in the game?
drowsy plank
yes that is the idea, it'd need some kind of restriction
hollow shell
Probably not a literal IOU like it was in the past
Probably something like "Wilted Calamitari's Lament" and "Silenced Eidolic Wail"
Still lore-friendly
fossil finch
the solution is again removing non linearity
iou's were kinda wacky
eternal escarp
then yeah thats pretty cool
fossil finch
that would work i guess
eternal escarp
broken hero sword...
icy heath
Or maybe just a trophy? :;D Like a.e. a music box
fossil finch
except broken hero sword is a proper crafting material and not a progression lock meant so people dont get zenith in preboss
trail dagger
What is the reason for having lower Abyss monsters at all? Couldn't there just be a big lurking unseen thing that shows up and kills you like the Dungeon Guardian?
eternal escarp
i made a thematic connections not a mechanical one oirc
drowsy plank
that's just AEW
west prairie
All crafting materials are progression gates
fossil finch
What is the reason for having lower Abyss monsters at all? Couldn't there just b...
i don't think there's an answer you want to this question
the reason for having lower abyss monsters is because you fight them later on
trail dagger
Haha yes! The idea was to populate the Abyss progressively through the game as you beat bosses
fossil finch
having dg 2 can work but the thing with dg is that you're told explicitly by a very obvious npc that it will happen and when and how that goes away
drowsy plank
oh this is hilarious
the earliest skip craft available for reaper teeth isn't even accessible til post-Plant
eternal escarp
which one even
hollow shell
RTN
eternal escarp
ah
hollow shell
All the others require Ancient Manipulator
eternal escarp
lold
eternal escarp
so only 2 weapons matter rn
hollow shell
All others have Ruinous Souls, except Maelstrom which has The Storm and Divine Geode
west prairie
So the issue is rather limited in scope really
grim tusk
dumbbell
west prairie
Other than the weapon drops
grim tusk
and eliodic staff
grim tusk
wail too
eternal escarp
around 5 weapons
west prairie
And soul edge
grim tusk
halifuck
trail dagger
Maybe it would be better if they were all crafted at the AM though. That would at least throttle progression to post golem
eternal escarp
post cultidt you mean
drowsy plank
bobbit hook
grim tusk
right...
eternal escarp
not miniboss iirc
trail dagger
Yeah, I forgot the cultist is an actual boss in this haha
grim tusk
broken weapon + phantoplasm at manipulator?
eternal escarp
bobbit worms are just an enemy
hollow shell
Yep you can still kill AEW early for the Eidolon Wyrm drops, at any point in the game
west prairie
Oh and I guess the bobbit hook
hollow shell
Cuz
AEW is a significantly greater challenge than any of the minibosses
being an actual boss now
grim tusk
not just a boss, a super one
icy heath
And AEW doesnt get stuck on walls 😄
grim tusk
altho dont we just fucking blow up AEW at the endgame
hollow shell
(funnily enough its Lumenyl and Ectoplasm drops are still locked behind Cal and Plantera, which I assume was more of a programming consistency thing than a balance decision)
fossil finch
i think aew should be (also i dont even think aew is properly fighteable without post ml mobility
drowsy plank
honestly letting reaper teeth be dropped would prolly be enough of a reward, especially if you move RTN to ancient manipulator and shove some ruinous souls into monsoon or something
icy heath
^ That
trail dagger
honestly letting reaper teeth be dropped would prolly be enough of a reward, esp...
I agree with that too
The main issue, right now, is to give the player something for sequence breaking, without throwing off the entire balance
icy heath
ReaperTooth is fine since its tied to your current loadout. Letting stuff like Calamaries drop will just be broken.
fossil finch
did you guys know calamaries used to be boss rush viable
somewhat
like it didn't have an horrendous kill time
icy heath
They had to nerf it for Old Duke :;D
fossil finch
this was back when scal had 8 m health
drowsy plank
trail dagger
Couldn't the Abyss be only populated with Reaper Sharks until a certain point? If players somehow do defeat colossal squid, it would be unsatisfying to get no significant drop. I'd say it's better to take them away until appropriate
Sort of like hard mode dungeon
grim tusk
did you guys know calamaries used to be boss rush viable
pre-nerf hallowed rune?
swift wharf
this is a funny suggestion
drowsy plank
yeah
distant gyro
that is a funny suggestion indeed
swift wharf
there's no challenge on killing most of the mini bosses
distant gyro
yeah
west prairie
Could just fill it with bloatfish
fossil finch
pre-nerf hallowed rune?
oh that one was hilarious
crude geode
there's no challenge on killing most of the mini bosses
Isn’t that more a problem with the mini-bosses than the sugg
grim tusk
oh that one was hilarious
that clip of stardust cells mauling DoG never gets old
distant gyro
you can legitimately get amidias blessing, and slap a colossal squid for 10 minutes with an early hardmode weapon
swift wharf
idk
distant gyro
do it until rng favors you
fossil finch
partly relevant
crude geode
Post Ml minibosses being easier than most hm minibosses
west prairie
you can legitimately get amidias blessing, and slap a colossal squid for 10 minu...
Wouldn’t it eventually start ignoring tiles
spark falcon
I like the idea of dropping reaper teeth, even if you can't craft them into anything immediately, since it's at least something for taking out the mini-bosses before you're supposed to.
fossil finch
now that i think about it this would be fixed if aew screamed the player and spammed the chat with dont kill abyss miniboss pre polter
anyways thats enough jokes
idk
distant gyro
ignoring tiles does not stop it from being mighty slow
fossil finch
pretty sure it has bashed at me multiple times after ignoring tiles
distant gyro
what does that even mean
swift wharf
Post Ml minibosses being easier than most hm minibosses
but as they are currently, it's a big fat No! lmao
proud quest
what does that even mean
providence enemies
distant gyro
providence does not actively spawn minions
proud quest
bro i mean
fossil finch
even if they were hard id still say its a no
swift wharf
providence spawns
3 things
proud quest
I KNOW DAMN
proud quest
yes
distant gyro
as in scorn eaters and co
fossil finch
theres no point in decreasing the spawn rates of the importan enemies
fossil finch
i think
swift wharf
skill issue
fossil finch
TRUE
swift wharf
literally a skill issue
distant gyro
but why
crude geode
can you not use this channel to complain 3nel
icy heath
You mean the Guardians? Diddnt they already get reworked to cycle Providence now (which was THE BEST change ever btw)
grim tusk
yea you can pretty much nuke stuff post-ML, use ML's drops or luminite crafts
swift wharf
can you not use this channel to complain 3nel
^
proud quest
can you not use this channel to complain 3nel
this is suggestions channel
distant gyro
they don't spawn very often unless you zerg 24/7
proud quest
so stop talking please
proud quest
they don't spawn very often unless you zerg 24/7
they spawn often with a zen potion
icy heath
Alright billy
grim tusk
this is suggestions channel
#suggestions-discussion not #complaints
crude geode
^^^
grim tusk
they spawn often with a zen potion
you probably have something boosting em up
proud quest
you probably have something boosting em up
drowsy plank
can they decrease providence minion spawn rates
ok then explain WHY
cause frankly it's hard enough getting the profaned essense for things like bullets, potions, etc.
trail dagger
It sounds like we generally agree that Reaper Tooth is an appropriate drop for the Abyss pre Polterghast, but perhaps no other drops
icy heath
It sounds like we generally agree that Reaper Tooth is an appropriate drop for t...
Jupp.
proud quest
ok then explain WHY
cause frankly it's hard enough getting the profaned essense ...
the fact that i am a summoner and i take 70 damage a hit by the weakest profaned enemy as well as them spawning so frequently
grim tusk
you sure you dont have like Fargo's battle cry or Luiafk ultimate battler
drowsy plank
It sounds like we generally agree that Reaper Tooth is an appropriate drop for t...
yeah, id make that distinction in the sugg if you havent already
proud quest
you sure you dont have like Fargo's battle cry or Luiafk ultimate battler
i only have calamity
grim tusk
i only have calamity
that axe there aint iirc
proud quest
you know what its probably the stupid profaned energies that are getting me riled up
fossil finch
if i hop onto calamity and profnaed enemies barely spawn with zen i think we can be legally allowed to murder 3nel do you guys agree
proud quest
that axe there aint iirc
what?
grim tusk
yes
swift wharf
don't they die in
.7 seconds
grim tusk
its inferno cutter
when tf did it get resprited, lemme check
hollow shell
Pretty recently
drowsy plank
lmao
proud quest
don't they die in
.7 seconds
those .7 seconds are enough for them to half my health and piss me off
trail dagger
Is there a different channel more appropriate to discuss profaned enemies, such as #general-talk?
fossil finch
it wouldnt be general talk it would be any calamity related talk
anyways this channel isn't "complaint about everything that bothers you" its for discussion actual suggestion
icy heath
those .7 seconds are enough for them to half my health and piss me off
Take a breather. This is not how this channel works. Read the pinned rules.
fossil finch
if you don't have nor intend to post one go away
swift wharf
by the time you'd stop complaining you'd have already beaten providence
grim tusk
2.0 i think
seems like mid March
trail dagger
But, correct me if I'm wrong, the current discussion now has nothing to do with the suggestion?
proud quest
anyways this channel isn't "complaint about everything that bothers you" its for...
i did suggest though
crude geode
you didn't.
swift wharf
But, correct me if I'm wrong, the current discussion now has nothing to do with ...
No
I don't really agree with the suggestion tho
grim tusk
But, correct me if I'm wrong, the current discussion now has nothing to do with ...
if you mean profaned enemies, nope
if its reaper teeth yes
grim tusk
i did suggest though
there is no sugg
proud quest
you didn't.
can you reduce profaned enemy spawnrates because they have no need to spawn this frequently
grim tusk
icy heath
But, correct me if I'm wrong, the current discussion now has nothing to do with ...
We pretty much came to a conclusion with your suggestion. Reaper shark tooth is ok, rest should be gated off. Atleast thats how i see it. Your suggestion is fine.
swift wharf
making summoner stronger by giving it a post ML summon earlier would be extremely fucked
proud quest
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i thought this was a channel for short form suggestions as in discussing them before going through with the post
grim tusk
i thought this was a channel for short form suggestions as in discussing them be...
yea but you didnt came as it, you just complained
proud quest
yeah so do you have the suggestion
"can you reduce profaned enemy spawnrates because they have no need to spawn this frequently"
icy heath
can you reduce profaned enemy spawnrates because they have no need to spawn this...
3nel to disguss a Suggestion here you must first post a suggestion in the channel above while following the rules.
grim tusk
then get feedback here
hollow shell
Suggestions aren't considered official until they get put in #suggestions-posting
grim tusk
yes, suggs go in #suggestions-posting , not here
and you have to give reasoning and all
hollow shell
In the past it was recommended to put WIP suggs or sugg ideas in this channel first,
but that was before the sugg-posting channel existed as the gateway area
swift wharf
"they're annoying" isn't good reasoning btw
proud quest
"they're annoying" isn't good reasoning btw
god dammit
swift wharf
and they will only bother you
once
icy heath
Going back to suggestions, based on my suggestion earlyer, would you guys agree to changing WoF Death Lasers Visibillity? I legit cannot see them on the new hell background. xD
swift wharf
that looks fine
proud quest
and they will only bother you
once
6 playthroughs is enough to make me sick of making a hell arena
fossil finch
Flame pillars don't have health
grim tusk
they do now iirc
fossil finch
6 playthroughs is enough to make me sick of making a hell arena
That's a you thing
proud quest
Flame pillars don't have health
what flame pillars
proud quest
the things that shoot flames up
ravager?
hollow shell
(Yeah there was Ravager suggestion posted in #suggestions-posting just now so there'll be discussion about it)
icy heath
I agree. The Ravager flames tend to just spawn right infront your you.
proud quest
honestly i dont think the problem with annoying enemies (my suggestion before) is ever going to be solved because of how simple terraria gameplay is
hollow shell
Do the rock pillars have health?
proud quest
Do the rock pillars have health?
you didnt know?
hollow shell
I've only ever seen them treated as projectiles which despawn after a short time
distant gyro
a while back they got health
distant gyro
most intangible boss minions like phantoms, polterclones, as well
distant gyro
i feel like it does take away from the pillars
if you can just delete them might as well just make them not exist
proud quest
most intangible boss minions like phantoms, polterclones, as well
speaking of polterclone it feels wrong for it not to spawn twice during the fight
is that just me
hollow shell
honestly i dont think the problem with annoying enemies (my suggestion before) i...
If it's any reassurance, we plan on giving the Profaned enemies behavioral reworks at some point in the future
when we get around to expanding Providence's non-boss content
haughty remnant
providence biome
swift wharf
darksun ! !
proud quest
providence biome
providence hive mind?
hollow shell
The Profaned Energies (the ones with the lanterns that shoot lingering fireballs) in particular will get more predictable pattern behaviors
in our current plans
haughty remnant
wat
proud quest
nvm hive mind already exists
crude geode
If it's any reassurance, we plan on giving the Profaned enemies behavioral rewor...
Eventually™️
byeah this is way offtopic tbfh
proud quest
The Profaned Energies (the ones with the lanterns that shoot lingering fireballs...
i thought you were just a server mod though
crude geode
if you can just delete them might as well just make them not exist
Logic here feels a bit weird?
distant gyro
profaned biome is a myth
hollow shell
i thought you were just a server mod though
I am a developer too
proud quest
I am a developer too
what parts did u do for calamity
distant gyro
Logic here feels a bit weird?
that is a statement short of elaboration
icy heath
I am a developer too
God! *points at you
fossil finch
Maybe mod shouldn't overshadow developer
distant gyro
but basically, rock pillars have an attack after a few seconds where it yeets into your face
proud quest
Maybe mod shouldn't overshadow developer
definitely*
fossil finch
I know it's about perms but there must be a solution for that?
distant gyro
if you kill it early, that never happens
distant gyro
and that's like the entire point of its existence
proud quest
how do i check if my suggestions were approved
distant gyro
it will ping you
proud quest
i didnt get a ping when it put it in voting so im skeptical
swift wharf
you don't get pinged
distant gyro
because that's nothing
distant gyro
transferring into voting simply means that your suggestion is not deleted
proud quest
you don't get pinged
it showed my @ so idk
swift wharf
:|
proud quest
transferring into voting simply means that your suggestion is not deleted
my suggestion was for draedon labs to make noise when youre close to it
how do i know if its deleted
haughty remnant
that was moved to voting?
proud quest
that was moved to voting?
yeah
haughty remnant
dang
proud quest
why
haughty remnant
sugg
proud quest
tldr your sugg wasn't popular enough
for what
crude geode
to reach dev
hollow shell
Ah yeah sorry mate, didn't get enough stars
crude geode
<:checkpins:451400158685691904>
again
proud quest
i thought deleted meant against rules not disapproved
distant gyro
starless
proud quest
i know it didnt get added but thats what i meant
west prairie
Profaned biome reminds me that at some point in the past one dev or another asked if they could use a profaned slime I made for something secret, now I think I know what that was
proud quest
Profaned biome reminds me that at some point in the past one dev or another aske...
no more slimes
fossil finch
god good thing profaned slime won't be a thing
hollow shell
what parts did u do for calamity
Sound effects, mainly
I've also done two music tracks
And I do a lot regarding our planned ideas that we have on our project Trello boards
proud quest
why slimes
fossil finch
what does that mean rover
proud quest
Sound effects, mainly
I've also done two music tracks
And I do a lot regarding o...
what music tracks were they
west prairie
It was years back
swift wharf
ryleh best theme no bias
fossil finch
"a lot regarding our planned ideas" thats like saying you dvelop
hollow shell
Abyss layer 3, and the Acid Rain theme
west prairie
I doubt they’re gonna use it by now
proud quest
Abyss layer 3, and the Acid Rain theme
nice
haughty remnant
what tier acid rain
hollow shell
First two
hollow shell
"a lot regarding our planned ideas" thats like saying you dvelop
yeah idk how best to word it
swift wharf
me when I skip t3
hollow shell
I give feedback on a lot of things
And I propose a lot of ideas
I write cards and I edit cards and I comment on cards
proud quest
hey that means we get to kill 3nel anyway
🧐
haughty remnant
i do tier 3 so i can make an orthocera jacuzzi
proud quest
why was tier 3 made
swift wharf
I read that as an orchestra jacuzzi
crude geode
(woah #suggestions-discussion getting offtopic what a surprise)
fossil finch
oh so you manage the trello and propose stuff
that's cool
grim tusk
uhhhhhh acid rain tier 3 haters suck
theme of buildup to kill OD and getting fucked by Nuclear terror
haughty remnant
orthocera jacuzzi
proud quest
(woah <#465195069406707722> getting offtopic what a surprise)
can you let the mod say that
swift wharf
anyways rover what's your opinion on the spore sac
fossil finch
i think rover does not have an opinion on the spore sac
proud quest
spore sac lost to oblivion
hollow shell
anyways rover what's your opinion on the spore sac
Yes I don't really have much to say about it
I have no idea how useful it is because I've never used it 
swift wharf
exactly
fossil finch
i thought we already established rover barely plays the game enough for questions like that
sugg discussion lore i think
proud quest
wait what is a bone helm
hollow shell
Or maybe I did a long time ago
swift wharf
nobody uses it
proud quest
someone in voting talked about a bone helm
hollow shell
wait what is a bone helm
Deerclops "expert" drop
swift wharf
same thing with gravity globe
proud quest
Deerclops "expert" drop
oh
swift wharf
someone in voting talked about a bone helm
crude geode
nah gravity globe is known to suck
icy heath
Spore Sac is one of those items that you get, try on, see that it spawns stuff that clutters the screen, and then dump it forever LUL
crude geode
spore sac just gets forgotten about
hollow shell
i thought we already established rover barely plays the game enough for question...
I am doing a playthrough right now that's reached post-Golem
Currently on pause cuz multiplayer partner is busy with life
So I do have some 'sperience now
proud quest
<:imstuff:962879917580746782>
just so cursed being doesnt ridicule* me again
fossil finch
about 7/8s of vanilla's expert accs suck
swift wharf
lolhd
fossil finch
and calamity's too
proud quest
and calamity's too
does ravager even have one
swift wharf
what if we buffed or reworked expert accs wouldn't it be so awesome
proud quest
and the stellar stompers thing
swift wharf
ravager has many accessories and I don't know which one is the expert one
haughty remnant
the astrum aureus thing
icy heath
what if we buffed or reworked expert accs wouldn't it be so awesome
Diddnt they akready do that with the Brain?
swift wharf
brain and glove were reworked
crude geode
ravager has many accessories and I don't know which one is the expert one
this also applies to cryogen funnily
proud quest
this also applies to cryogen funnily
soul of cryogen
swift wharf
the rest still suck massive nuts
haughty remnant
i saw in voting someone suggested the aureus boots be used in the late game boots like seraph tracers or something
proud quest
soul of cryogen sucks less nuts than the rest but still weak
hollow shell
ravager has many accessories and I don't know which one is the expert one
Well, there are no Expert accs anymore so 
crude geode
this is true but the acc. still suck
fossil finch
it would be so awesome
swift wharf
icy heath
I think this whole conversation can be moved to #calamity-mod-talk
swift wharf
I think this whole conversation can be moved to <#225030931008847874>
I am discussing my suggestion
🤫
haughty remnant
they went from having items that only drop in malice to having almost no difficulty exclusive items (keyword almost)
crude geode
it's in regards to #suggestions-posting message
distant gyro
expert accessories are pretty bad. however, accessory balance in general just kinda sucks
icy heath
I am discussing my suggestion
Ah iddnt even see it, had to scroll up ;:D
hollow shell
they went from having items that only drop in malice to having almost no difficu...
The former was the direct cause of the latter
proud quest
they went from having items that only drop in malice to having almost no difficu...
isnt the only one from the mushroom crab thing
haughty remnant
no
hollow shell
Not just from him but he has one yes
haughty remnant
theres
hollow shell
Cuz it's for Rage/Adren bars
haughty remnant
gaels greatsword
swift wharf
just make them viable I'll literally take anything over funny gravity potion but worse 
fossil finch
i think there is a lot of misc acc bloat that does barely anything
haughty remnant
on like death hardcore or something
proud quest
the plushie u get from dog
thats not expert
fossil finch
the entirety of amalgam sans emblem damage
haughty remnant
im talking about difficulty drops in general
proud quest
on like death hardcore or something
there are hardcore exclusive drops?
swift wharf
i think there is a lot of misc acc bloat that does barely anything
rusty medallion isn't real rusty medallion isn't real getoutofmyhead
hollow shell
Basically anything that pertains to Rage/Adren stayed Rev-exclusive cuz it wouldn't make sense otherwise
And a select few items that are dedicated to certain people remained in their modes cuz that's the wish of those people
Aside from that, everything is now Normal-available
icy heath
just make them viable I'll literally take anything over funny gravity potion but...
Just be a Shield of Chtulhu Enjoyer ;D
haughty remnant
theres like 1
hollow shell
there are hardcore exclusive drops?
Literally only Cosmic Plushie
haughty remnant
its the cosmic plushie
grim tusk
and calamity's too
viable ones are iirc:
Leviathan ambergis (due to thicc defense)
Affliction (stat stick)
Nebulous core (revive)
Yharim's gift (stat stick)
Calamity (it is demonic with hellfire treads and co.)
Draedon's heart
void of calamity (damage)
DS one (exploring Sunken sea)
Fungal clump
Bloody worm tooth
Mana Polarizer (people dont like it cuz negative regen but like just unnequip outside bosses?)
Spectral veil (rogue burst dmg or get out of jail free card)
Dynamo stem cells (immunity to dragon fire)
crude geode
the entirety of amalgam sans emblem damage
amalgam is kind of the one justifiable stat bloat acc. tbfh, considering it's literally an amalgam of items
hollow shell
Not really anymore
grim tusk
Literally only Cosmic Plushie
Terry do be sadistic
fossil finch
its still bad
proud quest
Literally only Cosmic Plushie
lol no death run just for a mount nobody uses
fossil finch
its end effect is also very weird
grim tusk
amalgam is kind of the one justifiable stat bloat acc. tbfh, considering it's li...
amalgam needs that BoC dodge imo
swift wharf
isn't the dodge implemented?
hollow shell
amalgam is kind of the one justifiable stat bloat acc. tbfh, considering it's li...
The mishmash of accs was replaced with a mishmash of materials so the effect could be focused more
swift wharf
I saw a bot message here
hollow shell
which I am both happy and sad about
crude geode
oh riiiight
fossil finch
i think amalgam needs an entire proper rework
hollow shell
It does
west prairie
Not only is the dodge not implemented but most dodges don’t work iirc
crude geode
most acc. do tbh tbh
hollow shell
isn't the dodge implemented?
I don't think it is
swift wharf
mana cotbg when
distant gyro
yeah
swift wharf
I don't think it is
o ok
west prairie
At least the eclipse mirror dodge is broke
fossil finch
mana cotbg would be so funny i love that
distant gyro
most equippables generally do need a do over
hollow shell
I saw a bot message here
The sugg was approved, but not yet implemented
crude geode
viable ones are iirc:
Leviathan ambergis (due to thicc defense)
Affliction (stat...
I love how half of these are boring stat sticks
swift wharf
mana cotbg would be so funny i love that
I'M REVIVING THE PASTEBIN LINK
hollow shell
How would a Mana CotBG even work
distant gyro
which is tragic for anyone planning to do weapon balancing
grim tusk
mana cotbg when
celestial cuffs?
swift wharf
Time to post a SIS
fossil finch
mana cotbg would be like
swift wharf
celestial cuffs?
oh shit true
fossil finch
celestial cuffs upgrade that focuses on the damage-mana thing
distant gyro
it's actually kinda insane
fossil finch
and it gives you a shitton more mana
hollow shell
Oh making it a Celestial Cuffs upgrade is a funny translation of the contact damage effect
grim tusk
celestial cuffs + mana cloak + something
distant gyro
cannot believe celestial cuffs sequel
hollow shell
(also I was confused and thought you meant Mana Bloodflare Core
So I was thinking "Wait what is mana's equivalent for "defense"??")
fossil finch
mana cloak my beloved
grim tusk
cannot believe celestial cuffs sequel
thats just mana cloak (which is worse but gives mana flower effect)
fossil finch
mana cloak+celestial cuffs combo acc
grim tusk
(too bad the other flowers have op mana reduction, cuz otherwise mana cloak supremacy)
fossil finch
thats based on like
hits=mana
crude geode
can we talk about aquatic scourge having the most boring accessory
grim tusk
can we talk about aquatic scourge having the most boring accessory
the buggy mess
fossil finch
i think it would be interesting mechanically?
being rewarded from getting hit is something not a lot of accesories do
crude geode
oh right that one funny bit of it
west prairie
Taking damage boosts mana regen and damage through the roof but increases defense damage taken
swift wharf
can we talk about aquatic scourge having the most boring accessory
the rogue one or the medallion
crude geode
otherwise it's just like. kinda copy paste desert scourge one
grim tusk
i think it would be interesting mechanically?
being rewarded from getting hit is...
Old duke's scales being made viable when?
grim tusk
the rogue one or the medallion
corrosive spine is op is as hell with vanilla's venom buff and its getting nerfed
aquatic emblem is a meme
swift wharf
venom is an interesting debuff now
west prairie
Ooh here’s one, an aura that drains mana and health from enemies while doing damage that scales in size inversely to hp percentage
swift wharf
I've been thinking of making a suggestion about making acid venom replace irradiated when inflicted from the player but eh
hollow shell
It is fucked up that we have still yet to implement a Rogue class station
grim tusk
Ooh here’s one, an aura that drains mana and health from enemies while doing dam...
that reminds me of [redacted]
crude geode
it really is
gleaming spade
It is fucked up that we have still yet to implement a Rogue class station
true
grim tusk
It is fucked up that we have still yet to implement a Rogue class station
and that all rogue buffs are op as fuck
sorry for the ping, force of habit from this server
hollow shell
We should just like
Take a little bit of percentages out of each rogue potion and slap them into a station
swift wharf
cobbler thorium mod
west prairie
It is fucked up that we have still yet to implement a Rogue class station
Cardboard box (disguise)
grim tusk
make bandit the rogue class station
she could sell it tbh
fossil finch
so real so true eclipse
gleaming spade
We should just like
Take a little bit of percentages out of each rogue potion an...
that'd work too
fossil finch
no just add a new button
grim tusk
We should just like
Take a little bit of percentages out of each rogue potion an...
except all potions also need fat af nerfs
esp penumbra
hollow shell
Penumbra Potion
"Rogue stealth generates 15% faster while moving"
made into
"Rogue stealth generates 5% faster while moving"
And our new station does a 10% buff, so the current balance does not change if you use both
grim tusk
penumbra pot's 20% stealth regen boosts during eclipse are just fucking wrong
crude geode
that effect is hilarious cuz I'm pretty sure most people don't use it
swift wharf
I can confirm
grim tusk
you should not be using Umbraphile to get that insane boost and have it be on par with auric on dps
swift wharf
why would you fight bosses during eclipses 
west prairie
you should not be using Umbraphile to get that insane boost and have it be on pa...
Umbraphile is that strong?
gleaming spade
why would you fight bosses during eclipses <:clueless:962880814402658324>
specifically for that boost alone.
gleaming spade
wow a 5% increase really does that much?
grim tusk
altho explosion might also be funny (does it have a softcap?)
hollow shell
But uh yeah Nebulex your suggestion is totally fine
Reusing another melee thing for rogue does fall in line with how we treat Flasks
and it's something that can be implemented instantly without the need for assets
grim tusk
wow a 5% increase really does that much?
on an eclipse or if wearing umbraphile you get both day and night boosts, both are boosted to 20%
swift wharf
sharpening station slowly consuming all classes
fossil finch
)why do we flask
gleaming spade
on an eclipse or if wearing umbraphile you get both day and night boosts, both a...
OH
west prairie
Oh, oh, it could be a dartboard!
gleaming spade
I thought it was just 20% in 1 boost
swift wharf
🐒
west prairie
A dartboard would do nicely
grim tusk
)why do we flask
cursed inferno flask is a big problem atm
swift wharf
not in phm
fossil finch
for a big chunk of the game
swift wharf
a
crude geode
flasks are a big problem in general design wise
grim tusk
5 armor pen
anything more and it fucks everything over, melee is not getting fucking Sandshark tooth necklace at all times
fossil finch
yes but 20 mana isnt good "Only in phmode"
a single summon isnt good "only in phmode"
swift wharf
I love when calamitas flask stacks with other flasks
fossil finch
anything more and it fucks everything over, melee is not getting fucking Sandsha...
then make it something else
gleaming spade
less ammo consumption isn good "only in phmode"
yeah less ammo consumption isn't good at any stage.
grim tusk
I love when calamitas flask stacks with other flasks
cuz it aint a flask technically (we will probably eventually turn it into one)
drowsy plank
i think we need ammo consumption accessories
it would be cool if ranger had more accessories that actually interacted with its mechanics instead of just throwing on 8 emblems or make projectile fast
grim tusk
then make it something else
let us deal with 1.4 breaking melee over, cursed flames and shattering potion first
west prairie
you know, an accessory that increased ammo consumption for an interesting effect would be cool
drowsy plank
accessory that increases ammo consumption in exchange for damage/firing speed
fossil finch
it would be interesting and cool if ranger had accessories at all
drowsy plank
oml yeah as soon as i said it
swift wharf
same wavelength
swift wharf
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
fossil finch
thats kinda rusty rbo
drowsy plank
my rusty med sugg already passed im sure the devs know we all hate it
crude geode
I think we need uhhhhhh what about ammo?
swift wharf
🚪 🚶♂️ 
swift wharf
I think we need uhhhhhh what about ammo?
what the hell
gleaming spade
I think we need uhhhhhh what about ammo?
exactly my point about ammo consumption lowering being useless.
crude geode
yes
drowsy plank
this is why we need ammo consumption increasing items that add benefits to the weapon :)
gleaming spade
that'd genuinely be kinda cool to be honest
fossil finch
your bow now shoots 2 arrows (consumes 10 arrows per sho
drowsy plank
i just hope a dev sees it
west prairie
There’s already a way to increase ammo consumption for damage and it’s called shooting faster 
fossil finch
vanilla
drowsy plank
make it like a scrapper or something
also yeah ammo res is only good with vanilla crafts that have awful low returns
distant gyro
i like how ranger accessories are either stat sticks or the quirkiest shit you've ever seen
sleek turret
isn't it the same for chlorophyte bullets
like 1 bar + 70 musket balls = 70 chloro bullets
crude geode
yes
at least I remember actually having to pay for ammunition instead of getting a stack for one bar
sleek turret
why is vanilla like that
fossil finch
ROLLED
drowsy plank
me when coropite
distant gyro
ammo does get easier to get as the game progresses
swift wharf
got nerfed in 1.4 I reckon
sleek turret
i do not understand this shit
drowsy plank
every time i see some pitiful return on item crafting it makes me wish more and more terraria automation existed
sleek turret
i mean i think most of the ranger sets in vanilla give like
20% or so on ammo reduction
distant gyro
that being said i would rather have it be 999 per cosmilite for as long as the material in question is cosmilite
and not something that isn't the boss you just did
swift wharf
1 auric bar + 70 musket shots = 70 auric bullets
west prairie
The accessory fusion dance really do end after DoG don’t it
distant gyro
aka pleading for distortion content to make grind actually engaging
crude geode
so true
fossil finch
pleading for biomes
swift wharf
me being sent to the cosmilite mines to make billionaires richer
sleek turret
"oh you didn't get that acc before because the boss didn't drop it? well go back and kill it"
crude geode
I also love
swift wharf
you see
crude geode
people hate bloodstone
west prairie
I hope ranger gets some accessories soon because I do not wanna have to use the dancing anime lady with the crosshairs
swift wharf
donor items!!!!
distant gyro
what kind of accessories do you want
fossil finch
use the dancing anime lady with the crosshairs actually
its like the only good ranger acc
distant gyro
yeah
sleek turret
can it be like ranger accessories that do some quirk that requires effort
grim tusk
I hope ranger gets some accessories soon because I do not wanna have to use the ...
toggle vanity off
crude geode
ranger gets about as many good accessories as mage
fossil finch
ooa or however is the best way of doing a dedicated because you shamelessly insert your oc awhile having a banger item
mage's accs at least make sense and are good
sleek turret
quick stupid idea i got rn is just something related to the point blank mechanic
fossil finch
ranger has 2 accesories
grim tusk
time for reposting an old sugg of mine
west prairie
Phantomic artifact is a joke I guess
fossil finch
rogue has 97
distant gyro
rogue has 0, it's all stats inflato
fossil finch
memories broken the truth goes unspoken ive even forgotten my name
grim tusk
except rogue
rogue has several
sleek turret
yeah gold suggestion storm
grim tusk
Phantomic artifact is a joke I guess
its a goated acc but summoners only appreciate dmg
grim tusk
what about momentum-
that thing's rework is sex
grim tusk
nah
distant gyro
the joke is that rogue demands accessories for the class to barely be playable through stats and this is apparently rigid
but that aside
grim tusk
you will never guess what momentum capacitor will do
fossil finch
does that mean every rogue weapon lowkey needs a buff
distant gyro
i think people already know what it is
grim tusk
somewhat
distant gyro
if you have been in like
grim tusk
does that mean every rogue weapon lowkey needs a buff
nerf potions, make rogue weapons stronger and perhaps increase default stealth gen
crude geode
default stealth gen 
fossil finch
perhaps there should be default stealth gen (armorless one
what ozz talks about momentum
fossil finch
voice chat leaks are not public
crude geode
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hot zephyr
fossil finch
those dont count
grim tusk
and what happens in VC stays in VC
fossil finch
(because i am too scared to join vc
inner anvil
and what happens in VC stays in VC
This is very true.
distant gyro
dig draedon update talk harder iirc
fossil finch
Is that a challenge?
distant gyro
jk don't actually
fossil finch
Because when it comes to digging ozz' update talk shit i am the one.
crude geode
I have been accustomed to iban's open method of leaks
distant gyro
the update is coming out in Not Too Long and you will actually waste your time finding something you will find soon
crude geode
Soon™️
distant gyro
trademarked
west prairie
Oh here’s an interesting concept for a ranger accessory, any bullet or arrow or rocket that misses and despawns/hits a wall gets fired again from the position it got destroyed at on your next shot
Reanimated bullets
hot zephyr
not trademarked
inner anvil
When are we getting Copyrighted instead of Trademarked?
distant gyro
ask the ceo of soontm
hot zephyr
just regular soon
grim tusk
eventually®️
crude geode
Perhaps©️
fossil finch
the update is coming out in Not Too Long and you will actually waste your time f...
doesnt matter ozz never mentioned the acc in that channel by name
frosty trellis
So, looking at the suggestions that popped up since I was gone and doing some back reading:
You all missed the memo with the Reaper tooth stuff. Everything but the Monsoon and Reaper Tooth necklace requires either Phantoplasm or Divine Geodes + The Storm (from storm weaver)
The necklace can be gotten post gss if you decide to go with the suggestion, but that means you are running with the abyssal diving gear and not even the suit, and with low tier gear you have to kill a 300k+ mini boss, that is insanely challenging by itself.
Monsoon needs an ancient manipulator, so you need to kill the cultists to get it anyways, and even cultist gear would have a hard time killing a reaper shark (not to mention the annoyance of giant squids and trying to not hit an Eidolon Wyrm, so there is a lot of luck involved and it's tedious. Might run out of air before you can kill it) And then the rest you cannot craft without Phantoplasm anyways, so it's just two things.
The ravager one is just... Dash when he is about to fall on top of you and the pillars aren't much of an issue.
Rogue station sure, that works as a sharpening station type deal with similarities to melee
Ranger point blank interactions yes please I want that to be more of an interesting mechanic (also define what point blank is in block distance bc it's not clear, or make an accessory even increase the Radias of point blank effects would be cool, just not by a lot or else that would be broken)
distant gyro
doesnt matter ozz never mentioned the acc in that channel by name
trol
crude geode
text spam smh my head
distant gyro
i forgot the specifics of the mentions
fossil finch
searching rework also gives no results
frosty trellis
text spam smh my head
One message that relates to this channel is not spam
crude geode
hence the "smh my head" instead of just smh
frosty trellis
Fair enough
crude geode
byeah reaper tooth got discussed a good chunk and it was deemed fine iirc
grim tusk
NO
frosty trellis
LOL
grim tusk
wait where did that message go
frosty trellis
LMFAO
grim tusk
or did i type in wrong channel
crude geode
oh wait tester lol
grim tusk
was something about a venerated locket but ranger
frosty trellis
Tf?
grim tusk
Oh here’s an interesting concept for a ranger accessory, any bullet or arrow or ...
this one
crude geode
I love testers having heart attacks it's my favorite part of #suggestions-discussion
frosty trellis
grim tusk
byeah reaper tooth got discussed a good chunk and it was deemed fine iirc
reaper teeth sugg 👍
frosty trellis
byeah reaper tooth got discussed a good chunk and it was deemed fine iirc
Ic
Nice
west prairie
I’m not sure if it would be all that compatible with flamethrowers or god forbid the shredder
grim tusk
You don't need this channel anymore!
also true, but I'll keep the sugg to see public's reception
frosty trellis
LOL
grim tusk
and wont sugg in #feedbback
inner anvil
😒
grim tusk
I’m not sure if it would be all that compatible with flamethrowers or god forbid...
venerated locket causes way too many issues
we are not having that on ranger too
west prairie
Is that how venerated locket works? I never used it
grim tusk
throws a cloned projectile from the sky
supposed to not have special stuff like stealth
or shit like seared pan flames
but final dawn fucks everything
stuck cave
oh god how many projectiles even is final dawn stealth
or is it just one hitbox
neutral i mean
not dash
crude geode
final dawn try not to be a problem challenge
frosty trellis
And rogue is where my experience with calamity ends so I got no clue lmao
frosty trellis
final dawn try not to be a problem challenge
LOL
drowsy plank
the scroll idea really causes me to worry that it'd be too similar to old ele quiv that split projectiles
frosty trellis
Heard Final Dawn has iframe abuse problems vs exos
drowsy plank
man that was a bad gimmick
west prairie
It’s really only something for stuff that misses
drowsy plank
ok now use something that sprays projectiles
west prairie
Yeah that’s the issue
stuck cave
Heard Final Dawn has iframe abuse problems vs exos
yea you can just spam dashes through ares' weapons diagonally and get adrenaline incredibly easily
same probably applies to twins and thanatos, just havent used final dawn on them lol
id assume it melts thanatos if you line it up right actually
tbf everything melts thanatos but you get what i mean
drowsy plank
final dawn is a donor item right
frosty trellis
tbf everything melts thanatos but you get what i mean
Nothing melts Thanatos like Dragons Rage does
stuck cave
true tbh
frosty trellis
Thanatos needs to take like, 99% reduced damage from Dragons Rage because you can kill Thanatos in less than 5 seconds from full HP with it
Which is obscene
crude geode
the scroll idea really causes me to worry that it'd be too similar to old ele qu...
remember when ranger's identity was just
drowsy plank
i just noticed why the fuck did item difficulty config get into sugg voting 
crude geode
People don't ping mods.
drowsy plank
we dont even have difficulty exclusive items anymore
fuck it im just gonna start pinging rover when i see this stuff now
frosty trellis
Yeah
I will as well to help
Literally had a Convo with that guy yesterday on why that shouldn't be a thing anyways
That's wild
drowsy plank
actually hey shouldnt "make all of calamity's vanilla changes into a qol mod" be flagged
i swore a mod/dev literally explained why they wouldnt do that
frosty trellis
Wait yeah
west prairie
Yeah that’s an issue
frosty trellis
actually hey shouldnt "make all of calamity's vanilla changes into a qol mod" be...
@hollow shell
drowsy plank
also rover when you see this, if we see bad suggs is it worth just opening a ticket in modmail? i dont want to pester people but like. the difficulty drop config getting into voting is just atrocious
swift wharf
gemtech is getting a rework???
gray nebula
swift wharf
what the fuck
hollow idol
maybe confusing it for exo armor?
dapper violet
Yeah
dapper violet
Sorry for stirring up confusion
hollow shell
also rover when you see this, if we see bad suggs is it worth just opening a tic...
I did acknowledge that suggestion and let it go through intentionally
I want to see what happens to it
swift wharf
it's a dedicated set
dapper violet
I got mixed up, 後目なさい (Sorry)
hollow shell
I may soon add a Don't for configs, but I'd need to come up with a proper place for the lines to be drawn
swift wharf
A config don't is too extreme imo
configs as bad suggestion practices is better imo
crude geode
it still counts as a don't is the problem
swift wharf
oh
crude geode
any bad sugg practice is a don't
swift wharf
crude geode
hence why "it's annoying" "qol" are not valid reasoning for a sugg
swift wharf
well then forget what I said 
sharp forge
Hey so with the way tmodloader works now are we going to have to wait for the labor of love update or not
crude geode
wrong channel
sharp forge
Oh, sorry.
hollow shell
configs as bad suggestion practices is better imo
It would not fit in Bad Suggestion Practices. That section is for stuff suggesters can do poorly in the process of making suggestions
Something for configs would fit in the more subject-matter-based primary Don'ts section
swift wharf
It would not fit in Bad Suggestion Practices. That section is for stuff suggeste...
oh ok
that makes sense
crude geode
even more so difficult with the base cal changes being made toggleable
hollow shell
I could make a
soft Don't
Just a discouragement of using configs to solve your problems, and it's generally better to ask for a complete change
And that
configs should very likely not be made for anything balance-related cuz almost all players will just pick the option that favors them
frosty trellis
Yeah
crude geode
that would be nice yeah
grim tusk
please
swift wharf
my emote nooooooo
drowsy plank
@fair zealot they already have plans about why queen is stronger than god (god is unfinished and hallowed is stronger than world evils)
also they're trying to remove rematches
like ravager
drowsy plank
if you could delete it
fair zealot
oke
small timber
Imo while this is pretty subjective, having pillars spawn further from the player will ruin the attack; if pillars are easier (easy) to kill it will invalidate the attack too
Flame pillars completely rely on having it spawn in close distance to each other to work, so you have to deal with '2 flame pillars' at once, making them spawn further is not just an anticheapshot but also make the fight much easier
I think the better approach will be to make the stomp have different sound effect so it can be much clearer that the stomp is deciding pillars spawn and movement; and rework ravager fist
Currently you can fight ravager while moving extremely slowly (which solves the problem in the suggestion), just the fist force either extremely high fire rate and accurate weapon (that has block piercing due to rock pillar) or to run away
Does ancient version of the armors use the same material as the normal armor? Or they are just not craftable now
hollow shell
@open meadow ehh I mean
Hellstone is one of the most ubiquitous and predictably-generated ores in the whole game
And their lava gimmick can be nullified by Obsidian Skin Potions
small timber
But ya considering its vanity nature I think it is probably better to just have a separate crafting recipe instead of craftable from armor? It will be weird for vanity to require equivalent cost to actual armors
(ok seems to not be in the channel)
@fading compass ^(the cost one)
fading compass
I mean they are functional armor
drowsy plank
ancient shadow and shadow are two distinct items
small timber
Oh wait sorry I misremembered as the one that drop by sentinels
Ya ancient god slayer is vanity only and I thought the suggestion was referring to that
open meadow
<@174356518961938433> ehh I mean
Hellstone is one of the most ubiquitous and pre...
Agreed, but if you just need a couple more pieces of ore for a recipe, you don't want to just craft an obsidian skin potion just to get the extra few. Plus it's the only vanilla ore that isn't renewable.
(base ores and hardmode ores can be found in fishing, meteorites can keep falling, hallowed by mech bosses, chlorophyte can be grown, and luminite is luminite)
crimson night
That would be pretty nice just to have it be renewable if you're trying to do a massive build on a vanillaish world
crude geode
don't crates exist
small timber
Hellstone crate apparently dont drop hellstone, vanilla at least
crude geode
wack
small timber
Unless calamity buff it at some point
crimson night
They don't
swift wharf
I thought that charred crates did
hollow shell
uhhh yyyhhhuhhhh