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#suggestions-discussion
hot zephyr
unique vector
mount attacks
unique vector
no
fossil finch
Make victide uh
hot zephyr
fuck you it's melee only now
frosty trellis
fuck you it's melee only now
That seems redundant when ancient shadow armor exists
swift wharf
isn't ancient shadow armor movement speed god in cal
sleek turret
wait are shadow armor and ancient shadow armor different in cal?
swift wharf
also this ^ ?
drowsy plank
wait no ancient got changed too im pretty sure
i was using it in summoner god builds because cal changes it to 7% move speed and damage on the leggings, and pair with the flinx coat and wulf helm, it has the highest summoner DPS pre-Boss
grim tusk
Silva wings useless??????
Tarragon I sort of get your point since elysian wings pretty much puts em in the ground (altho the defensive boosts are quite good)
small timber
(tarragon actually has comparable stat to elysian)
^ the main difference is just MS, and ascend speed (but tarragon ascend speed is sufficient enough)
distant gyro
tarragon has equal vertical speed to elysian
difference is flight time (tarragon has more) and horizontal acceleration (elysian has more)
more wings table gaming
frosty trellis
I sometimes skip Elysian bc I fight prov in hell and can't be bothered to fight her in the hallowed or at night. Tarragon is sufficient and I don't use tracers
fossil mural
I couldn't tell you the last time I used victide
Even pre rework I barely saw a place for it
fossil mural
Usually just ore armors or wacky combos like mage robe and hat
golden tulip
are they all class or?
inner anvil
They're all classless, but all of them have unique effects.
inner anvil
You should check them out.
golden tulip
yea probably next pt
im pre mechs now 
and its on hold until the next update arrives so
unborn oriole
more wings table gaming
It's just 10 ft difference anyways
Not even fledging has 10 i think
serene tendon
They're all classless, but all of them have unique effects.
Don't they all have mining speed set bonuses?
serene tendon
Ok
fossil finch
9
drowsy plank
what is it at right now is it all on or off
fossil finch
(1 time)
it literally has been only changed once like lol
they just turned it all on
drowsy plank
lol
serene tendon
how many times has useTurn been changed in Calamity
What do you mean useturn?
tardy geyser
What do you mean useturn?
what youre describing in your suggestion. being able to swing to the left while moving right and vice versa
personally i think it should be possible, and dont know why calamity removed it. it would make true melee much stronger though so a lot of rebalancing would have to be done
fossil finch
That's not what they say in the sugg
Useturn is the exact contrary
It's that use will go in the direction you're moving and not allow for moonwalking
tardy geyser
oh yea i have it backwards, mb
gray nebula
probably could make an item that forces useturn but like stronger
forcefully shifts the players direction to look at their mouse cursor
but the update code gets ran before projectiles so if theres any holdouts that do their own stuff, they dont get fucked
drowsy plank
not a bad idea
ashen warren
I'm down for moonwalking to return to calamity
hollow shell
Malachite has already been nerfed in the coming update
Its damage output nearly halved
swift wharf
hollow shell
(It's always weird to me when people use poor balance as reasoning for any suggestion that isn't to just balance the item
Changing a damage stat is significantly easier than doing something like this)
drowsy plank
lmao
hollow shell
Malachite has already been nerfed in the coming update
@fading siren
swift wharf
I know legendary weapons are gonna get unique methods of obtaining them
But are they really considered legendaries now?
hollow shell
At the moment I don't think they have any special distinction at all
fading siren
My point wasn’t that it was poorly balanced, just that it was balanced around being a legendary item and there should be an option to make it obtainable that way
swift wharf
except for shpc
grim tusk
Its damage output nearly halved
MORE than halved lol
It killing bosses in 30 seconds was not okay
fossil finch
It was not balanced around being a legendary item it wasn't balanced period
fading siren
Even with Malachite aside, I feel like it’s part of the fun to get to have exclusive items for higher difficulties and just having all of them drop from the boss regularly without even the distinction of a different rarity makes it feel odd.
swift wharf
there will be unique ways to get them eventually
fading siren
Even with Malachite aside, I feel like it’s part of the fun to get to have exclu...
And a toggle for that even if it’s just having expert items have their own rarities would be nice haha
fading siren
there will be unique ways to get them eventually
Ah that’s cool I didn’t know that haha
swift wharf
we should really add toggles to bad suggestion practices
no real good "solution" to something? toggle
funny nuclear option
anyways difficulties are played for the difficulty
not the items
hollow shell
there will be unique ways to get them eventually
byeah this
frosty trellis
Even with Malachite aside, I feel like it’s part of the fun to get to have exclu...
Not really? If there is a harder difficulty mode, there is nothing wrong with you can choose to play a harder difficulty because it's harder. A lot of other games don't reward you for playing on a harder difficulty.
There is nothing wrong with difficulty for the sake of difficulty.
You don't need to give a harder difficulty and then give players stuff to make it easier or make some weapons and accessories exclusive since that ruins the point of it being a harder difficulty
hollow shell
Rewarding players for doing something difficult within their difficulty mode is understandable, though
Reward for accomplishment
gray nebula
just dont use the items lol
feels weird like
if youre a player that plays on rev
are you going to turn on that config eventhough it would do nothing
or , if youre playing on normal, would a player really say "yeah i don't want to have the cooler loot"
swift wharf
who tf would turn on a config to get less items
frosty trellis
Rewarding players for doing something difficult *within* their difficulty mode i...
That's usually cosmetics or achivements, whether in game or personal ones. Not give you stuff that changes how you experience the game
swift wharf
that reminds me
crude geode
More cosmetic stuff would be nice for difficulty modes
swift wharf
I should suggest buffing spore sac
crude geode
Aka stuff like the Levi pet and shit
frosty trellis
Yeah
Cosmetics and stuff are cool little rewards for higher diffculties
But stuff like weapons, armor and accessories I would say are an absolute no
Don't give people extra stuff for a harder mode. That defeated the entire purpose of making the game harder
swift wharf
mauler alice mode moment
fossil finch
Malding mode
fading siren
Not really? If there is a harder difficulty mode, there is nothing wrong with yo...
Oh yeah I can definitely respect that haha
I think it’s mostly just the lack of rarities that was tripping me up cause now every boss has items that used to be expert only drops and it just kinda clutters up the loot pool without anything to distinguish it
im gonna be honest I miss the rainbow text man haha
serene tendon
Rewarding players for doing something difficult *within* their difficulty mode i...
Yeah, for sure. Therefore Terraprisma should become a daytime drop again.
gray nebula
so true the rainbow text needs to come back
swift wharf
even for shitty expert accs?
vapid crane
oh yeah btw the deerclops expert drop still has its rainbow text
crude geode
even for shitty accs yes
swift wharf
I will make a suggestion about them in 3.73
drowsy plank
I should suggest buffing spore sac
make sure to do deerclop's one as well, they're practically the same item
grim tusk
Bone helm
crude geode
most expert items are kinda shit ngl
drowsy plank
crude geode
leviathan ambergris 
swift wharf
oh the hand
s
I need more reasoning other than they're bad compared to other expert accs
/items
drowsy plank
^
swift wharf
yeah fair enough
drowsy plank
spore sac is better because it's kind of like hyphae rod as an accessory bc the build up, so it's like, almost a free inferno potion
or you could just use cryo stone
which i still think is bad but is still better than those two
my point exactly
swift wharf
when the accessory slot is wasted for green projectiles
grim tusk
leviathan ambergris <:LUL:354581602908504064>
20 defense
Altho Hero’s shield now has that too so lol
drowsy plank
swift wharf
how about shiny stone
I think it's just used for camper
I mean it's the first expert acc
so like
drowsy plank
shiny is okay for quick swap heals
swift wharf
but it's good for early game
crude geode
royal gel is good for not having to deal with lava slimes
(does royal gel even work with cal's slimes)
swift wharf
now let's talk about gravity globe
drowsy plank
if you're building, spore sac is better than dimensional soul artifact
sleek turret
gravity potion 0.5
swift wharf
if you're building, spore sac is better than dimensional soul artifact
and so is any summon weapon
drowsy plank
true
sleek turret
this is the true reason why summons exists
drowsy plank
now let's talk about gravity globe
make it function from the inventory
boom problem solved
drowsy plank
literally just make grav globe function from inv as an infinite grav potion and you make it decent at least
sleek turret
make it so it switches gravity just like gravity potions
sleek turret
because you have to be on the ground to actually switch gravity
drowsy plank
oh shit wait
give it the range upgrades from the lore items
sleek turret
ture...
drowsy plank
why would i when you speak the truth
make gravity globe like a midway between treasure magnet and ceaseless hunger potion
swift wharf
demon heart
sleek turret
the actual good shit
crude geode
anything is viable if you don't do boss fights 24/7 🛫
drowsy plank
does demon heart really count. it could've just happened on kill
swift wharf
anyways we have spore sac, gravity globe and bone helm
not sure about the last one tho
1.4 veterans is it good 
sleek turret
idk
swift wharf
"what's bone helm"
serene tendon
Bone Helm kinda sucks
swift wharf
and I assume ex²pert cal drops are fine
sleek turret
they could be better
serene tendon
In DST it prevents shadow creatures from attacking you so maybe it reduces 50% damage from shadowy sources (ex Ceaseless Void) on a cooldown?
sleek turret
what was brimstone jewel
crude geode
some pet
sleek turret
oh the scal pet yes yes
eh vanity cool vanity
vanity is always alright I don't have any problems with it 👍
swift wharf
I need names
NAMES
drowsy plank
and I assume ex²pert cal drops are fine
ambergris, toxic heart, gehanna, sabaton and frost flare could use some help
drowsy plank
those are levi, pbg, brimmy, aureus, and cryo respectively
sleek turret
soul of cryogen still exists right?
drowsy plank
yeah
crude geode
It sure does
drowsy plank
the fact cryogen drops 3 stone items that all look the same with different effects is
really dumb
sleek turret
isn't it an expert mode acc
drowsy plank
idr tbh
crude geode
It’s hard to remember all the generic expert mode acc from cal tbh tbh
drowsy plank
oml wait i think soul is the expert drop and flare is just a normal drop. why
why does cryo drop so many shitty accessories
crude geode
Esp. Now that they don’t even have the rainbow text to differentiate them
crude geode
why does cryo drop so many shitty accessories
Cryogen is extremely generic and shitty?
drowsy plank
damn 
sleek turret
questionable????
crude geode
The man is literally an ice rock what do you want me to say
drowsy plank
the wings are okay but i think fairy might have better flight time which really completely invalidates soul entirely
that's all ur getting from me
crude geode
most things have better flight time than soul
sleek turret
i think any of the wings except the funny ones (devil, angel) are better than soul
crude geode
It was extremely bad for a flight item last I checked
drowsy plank
wtf u talking about leaf wings are ass now
they got nerfed into the dirt by vanilla
crude geode
should have just deleted leaf wings tbh
sleek turret
same with flame
sleek turret
oh yeah Yharim's Gift
drowsy plank
what no he isnt
sleek turret
he is like in any order
drowsy plank
it's queen slime, cryo, mech1
crude geode
Nebulous Core is such a generic item
sleek turret
yeah sure
drowsy plank
doesnt change what i said
crude geode
I need names
NAMES
Nebulous Core, Yharim's Gift are both extremely generic and boring
sleek turret
doesn't matter really because you fight them in any order but when it comes to balance yes cryo is before mech1 and after queen slime
drowsy plank
hence why you'd compare soul to fairy
drowsy plank
Nebulous Core, Yharim's Gift are both extremely generic and boring
this is true but at least gift's 15% move speed makes it viable
very boring tho
crude geode
viability 
drowsy plank
lmao
crude geode
viability is the most boring excuse to not rework a acc.
onyx laurel
whoops, ignore
drowsy plank
wasnt trying to defend it, just hoping it's as good as it was before
crude geode
stat stick with star cloak effect???
yes
sleek turret
wait no you produce dust while moving right?
drowsy plank
whoops, ignore
no wait what is an "RNG melter" it sounds like a rule violation
crude geode
stat sticks are boring and it's always okay to rework them
sleek turret
rng meter they meant
onyx laurel
Yeah, im trying to put together a suggestion
and then ask here for feedback before posting
sleek turret
rng melter is like those mods that want to remove anything that deviates like damage deviation and luck
mmm maybe idk about the rng meter
not sure what do you want to check with it
onyx laurel
the term "rng meter" isn't referring to something like existing meters where you check a stat
its taken from another game
sleek turret
hypixel skyblock?
onyx laurel
yeah
sleek turret
"game"
drowsy plank
sounds like something that doesnt belong in cal 
swift wharf
anything I should change or
onyx laurel
The basic concept would be that killing something could fill an invisible stat, and beyond a certain point a rare drop would be guaranteed. The idea comes from skyblock. The point isn't to make rare drops easier, ideally it would never affect the majority of players. It would in the rare instance that you're like 200-300 kills into a 1% drop, you'd get the item or at least have it become more likely
I think a core part of terraria and especially calamity is about the grind
this isn't meant to change that
but that is a kind of nuanced thing, and I think a lot of people would hear it and just think its meant to make rare drops easier to get
sleek turret
this is like banner recipes from a fellow certain mod called "Fargo's Mutant Mod"
making many enemy kills gives you a banner in which you can use that to convert it into a certain item of your own choice
drowsy plank
anything I should change or
id seperate the bad accessories from poorly designed ones like gift and core
swift wharf
gotcha
onyx laurel
making many enemy kills gives you a banner in which you can use that to convert ...
The distinction would be that this would also apply to bosses, but not be nearly as much of a freebie as that is
swift wharf
also I'm not too sure about sabaton
crimson night
hypixel skyblock?
God that game is a mess
But it was fun for awhile
drowsy plank
also I'm not too sure about sabaton
that it's bad? you ever see someone use it?
serene tendon
God that game is a mess
But it was fun for awhile
Yeah they need to cut the grind into a third or less
drowsy plank
gravitar sabaton, the aureus boots
drowsy plank
ye
crimson night
Yeah they need to cut the grind into a third or less
Grinding isn't an issue, a total and utter centralization of progress needs to go
sleek turret
because it has cooldown
vs slime mount where you can just press the [Mount] key and have instant fall speed
serene tendon
Grinding isn't an issue, a *total and utter centralization of progress* needs to...
What do you mean by a centralization of progress?
serene tendon
Aka the Amogus Amulet. If you don't believe me look at the sprite.
swift wharf
The basic concept would be that killing something could fill an invisible stat, ...
did you know that 90% of gambling addicts quit right before hitting big
sleek turret
serene tendon
spelunk amulet is like spelunk potion but permanent
Yeah. It's cool and good and it's an amogus
sleek turret
haha pattern recognition funny very original
crimson night
What do you mean by a centralization of progress?
Main issue is that the game so heavily is warped around the existence of the necron blade reallllly killed any imagination that was in the original product, and they did the thing where they tried to do their own dark souls kind of thing... except it was just tedious, not difficult
I put wayyyy too many hours into that game
But God it fell apart
serene tendon
Main issue is that the game so heavily is warped around the existence of the nec...
Well I guess I would not know, I quit at about the Dwarven Mines since it was way too grindy.
sleek turret
yeah I think the sugg should be fine
serene tendon
You saying my PFP looks like an amogus? I can't see the similarity
I'm a teen. Is this discord supposed to be 18+ or something?
fossil finch
Because apparently there's a role now when you aren't verifiied by 2fa or some shit
(I don't knoe either
(This discord is not suppoed to be +18
serene tendon
You don't need a phone until you're at least 16, and therefore I will not be given one until then.
fossil finch
(Most people in most countries do need a phone before you're 16
tribal verge
(This discord is not suppoed to be +18
The server would be down to about 10k people if it was
fossil finch
(Either for safety, education or other reasons ((such as your parents wanting a quick communication route with you
tribal verge
10k is generous actually
serene tendon
Age laws? I don't think they do.
lost cedar
it need not be "nerfed" in this sense. i just feel that making it a basic "you can fly longer" accessory kills part of the novelty
fossil finch
It's not just a basic you can fly longer acc
It's one of the best movement speed additions of the game
serene tendon
Pretty much everyone here
fossil finch
And like it doesn't matter where it's broken or not it was balancing by cutting its flight time
There's also not a lot of novelty lost anyway because the game doesn't have "you can fly longer" accessories
serene tendon
There's also not a lot of novelty lost anyway because the game doesn't have "you...
Yeah. Maybe there could be a post-Scal upgrade that brings the infinite flight and pre-nerf movement buffs back.
As a kind of counterpart to the exo gaming chair
fossil bronze
exo g*ming chair 😡
lost cedar
There's also not a lot of novelty lost anyway because the game doesn't have "you...
boots
fossil finch
people completely and absolutely ignoring yharim's existence
lost cedar
(trust me the extra 0.0002 seconds absolutely matters)
fossil finch
Boots make you fly longer by a fixed time based solely on the rocket boost flight
So not really
serene tendon
people completely and absolutely ignoring yharim's existence <:ultimatesmug:8074...
What do you mean?
swift wharf
wings actually buff the boots
lost cedar
fair enough
fossil bronze
exo g*ming chair 😡
oh wait gaming chair has accel now?
fossil finch
Gaming chair is the best ever
swift wharf
yharim will simply kill flight
tribal verge
good
fossil finch
What do you mean?
Yharim will eventually be added as a post scal boss, while your idea fits the post game, scal won't be the post game, yharim will not be added in a long while though, so it doesn't really matter
I don't think he'll kill flight but exo chair will be demolished
serene tendon
Yharim will eventually be added as a post scal boss, while your idea fits the po...
Is it confirmed he will be added specifically as a boss or just that he will make an appearance? Draedon is not a boss but is still an entity within the game.
fossil finch
It is confirmed he will be a boss yeah
serene tendon
Ok
fossil finch
It was also confirmed draedon wouldn't be the actual boss ages before it was added
serene tendon
It was also confirmed draedon wouldn't be the actual boss ages before it was add...
Fair, I joined after 1.5 so I didn't know
swift wharf
don't worry his crypto cpus will eventually fry and explode
fossil finch
Read: he may have a backup on his planet
fossil bronze
don't worry his crypto cpus will eventually fry and explode
draedon is singlehandedly responsible for massive environmental damage (rdj.png)
crimson night
Draedon's gamer chair should fight you instead of draedon
tulip falcon
@graceful torrent
fossil finch
Does he know what is he cooking?
fossil bronze
<@184046474324082688>
😐
crimson night
I congratulate ice for being pinged 12 times
serene tendon
I congratulate ice for being pinged 12 times
That account could be a bot.
drowsy plank
Yeah. Maybe there could be a post-Scal upgrade that brings the infinite flight a...
this already got into voting and failed
as in, rejected by the devs
serene tendon
as in, rejected by the devs
ok
drowsy plank
maybe this one will be short enough that people actually vote for it
terse sundial
It's hard to make plague hive interesting without giving it back the bee buffs (which are pretty absurd damage wise)
drowsy plank
main reason i said to just kill it or push it in progression tbh
the fact you make flask and then instantly replace it was always kinda dumb anyway
swift wharf
not really since hive is post cultist tho
drowsy plank
fair
swift wharf
the plague trio is quite funny
since immunity to plague is kind of useless after goliath
drowsy plank
very
really that's why id honestly say just pushing it ahead in progression would be the best choice, it was always a cool accessory to me, and flask really covers all the bases you need for plague armor
swift wharf
It's not bad, but it is useless
drowsy plank
so having it show up again much later would be way cooler than trying to force it where it is right now
or just kill it
terse sundial
pushing it further will also make it useless
drowsy plank
idk there must be something to make it have more of an actual identity
hot zephyr
draedon sponsored solar panel
swift wharf
uncharged weapon fans when I show them that other weapons exist
crude geode
@nimble berry did you know there's a funny item called a potion of return
swift wharf
did you know that the game has more than 5 weapons per class
crude geode
@hollow shell "it's annoying" sugg reasoning. also somewhat invalidated by potion of return
nimble berry
<@507317679787343896> did you know there's a funny item called a potion of retur...
Yeah but they are hard to obtain a good amount of, plus they aren't infinite.
crude geode
they...are?
nimble berry
they...are?
No, you have to get more if you run out.
swift wharf
no weapon will use its entire charge in a boss
crude geode
^
nimble berry
no weapon will use its entire charge in a boss
You could forget to charge it
It's just a suggestion
nimble berry
I don't really do that
crude geode
that's on you if you forget?
swift wharf
consider doing that then
nimble berry
Still just a suggestion
nimble berry
I don't know, it could be a later game item.
Plus you can't use it if it's charging.
swift wharf
small timber
If it is a late game item people will complain about it being available too late and suggesting to move it preboss (for QoL of course), that is just how it is
small timber
it need not be "nerfed" in this sense. i just feel that making it a basic "you c...
Soaring insignia (prenerfed/vanilla version) have the ability to turn pre-Hardmode wings into Drew's Wing, literally, and that is disregarding the flight time part.
Consider how overpowered perma flight is, they have to double down nerf on the mobility where your mobility is butchered for using soaring insignia, just to keep the flight time in
I will rather just having it nerfed flight time wise rather than kill a mobility accessory for the sake of keeping perma flight in
grim tusk
@hollow shell exterminate
lost cedar
the mobility penalty would only kick in after regular flight time is exhausted
small timber
@ashen warren nay
lost cedar
and even then it need not be drastic
small timber
the mobility penalty would only kick in after regular flight time is exhausted
What I mean is that is the degree they have to nerf the accessory, meaning the suggested nerf is actually not enough
lost cedar
just gradual
small timber
That is just how stupidly overpowered vanilla soaring insignia is
lost cedar
i guess it would be a balancing nightmare
small timber
for reference, the current version of soaring insignia, after cut down so many things and next patch will nerf flight time to 25%, WILL still be a viable accessory
The accessory is just goated in many ways
So ya, the tldr is really just it will be an absolute balance nightmare, so if you really get the itch for vanilla insignia there are probably other mods that unnerf calamity items you can install
small timber
I thought the point of those mods is they want 0 balancing and just want overpowered stuff
grim tusk
Same
small timber
But ya I guess maybe you mean things like bloody worm scarf should give 17% dr with the mod
Also I just realise the main reasoning of the portable charge station is void: you can carry charging station and battery on you to charge them everywhere
The suggestion is literally they are too lazy to even do that and just want charging to be gone
crude geode
If you wanna ping rover over it please do
small timber
I think you already pinged so ya, no point in double pingging I guess
small timber
force of habit
swift wharf
rover is the suggestion entity
crude geode
^this
crude geode
rover is not the only individual you can ping <:HDfailure:482263678150770729>
if you wanna exclaim the sugg with no reasoning outside of "it'd be annoying" be my guest though
small timber
Still waiting for the day when people suggest to add a boss that drops 1 copy of every calamity potion in the game for "QoL for potion farming because making potion sucks"
vapid crane
is there a sound that plays when the dodge cooldown ends
small timber
is there a sound that plays when the dodge cooldown ends
go vote this one instead 👍
vapid crane
ok
sand ermine
go vote this one instead 👍
😱
drowsy plank
proficency
why on earth would you want that one
@open meadow a handful of those have existing mods on the browser already
ex; movement speed changes, potion selling NPCs (NOT ALCHNPC), calamity crafting recipes, etc.
quiet kernel
@lapis charm your suggestion has wrong format
small timber
creating a "separate mod" is straight up not happening
orchid briar
You need to have a separate title for your reasoning separated by SHIFT+ENTER and also you need sufficient reasoning for why it should be added
small timber
they have calamity to maintain, why will they do additional job to the point of creating something completely separated
lapis charm
<@738663090547195914> your suggestion has wrong format
what u mean?
quiet kernel
You need to have a separate title for your reasoning separated by SHIFT+ENTER an...
^
open meadow
<@174356518961938433> a handful of those have existing mods on the browser alrea...
While this is true, it'd be nice to have all of the stuff in one mod instead of having to scour the browser for all of the ones you want
Plus not all of them are there
small timber
While this is true, it'd be nice to have all of the stuff in one mod instead of ...
there is no way calamity will create a separte mod for that when they already have calamity to maintain
chances are there are probably already people who port all the calamity vanilla qol/changes in a separate mod, just try to find them
half sage
as unrealistic as it is, would be nice to have a standalone for reforge rework. first try reforge is just dumb, and auto reforge is still full RNG, just auto cycles for you
any other reforge mods?
open meadow
It really isn't that hard, all you'd need to do is copy/paste the code for the QoL stuff and post it separately
the only hard part is going through the code, I don't know how organized they have it
orchid briar
small timber
it is not that hard, but if that is something the devs want to do they would had already do it
because to certain degree it is basically "calamity but removed all calamity content"
smoky sinew
does the item restriction for suggestions apply to all items or just weapons btw?
frosty trellis
Pretty sure this is a no-no because scaling items are a no, and it would be a very long time consuming task that would rework a bunch of stuff when the devs have their work cut out for them already
smoky sinew
Pretty sure this is a no-no because scaling items are a no, and it would be a ve...
cool I guess i'll just delete the suggestion
eternal escarp
also no reasoning
smoky sinew
also no reasoning
I just thought it was a quality of life thing is all
Just thought it would be interesting to have pre supreme calamities weapons keep up
small timber
the thing is the devs dont want previous weapons to keep up, as otherwise you will just never find a reason to craft or try new weapons
smoky sinew
why I suggested it came so much later in to the game
but I guess it doesn't matter much since item suggestions won't get a thumbs up
So no real point to talk about it
small timber
why I suggested it came so much later in to the game
there is not much reason to make weapon scales that late at the game, the post-ML rebalancing made sure some weapon will be viable for scal/exo regardless if they scale
frail mantle
some weapons being decent but unoptimal at later stages than they're supposed to be used, the issue is when you can use one weapon throughout the entire game
small timber
things like enforcer are still used etc etc
but ya, it will just be weird to say have a post-DoG weapon scale like 30% in power so it can be used for scal
smoky sinew
some weapons being decent but unoptimal at later stages than they're supposed to...
Thats why I suggested so you would only be able to scale them once you beat yharon for example
at that point you are so late in the game that you wouldn't be able to use it throughout the whole entire playthrough and keep it viable
small timber
then what kind of weapon do you plan on making them scale after yharon?
and it will still be a massive balance nightmare since now suddenly "post-Yharon tier" will be much bigger, as many weapons are supposed to just be at that power level now
smoky sinew
then what kind of weapon do you plan on making them scale after yharon?
A random goofy item I like is the spent fuel container
But regardless
It doesn't really matter
Items aren't a thing I can suggest
small timber
you can suggest items, just not specified
smoky sinew
Doesn't mine count as a specific item?
small timber
eg: you can suggest to add more post-ML rogue weapon (as in, right after moon lord, as apparently there is only 4),
but you cant suggest add "luminite chakram: crafted from 5 luminite bar 500 damage 2 fire rate..."
smoky sinew
eg: you can suggest to add more post-ML rogue weapon (as in, right after moon lo...
So mine would count as specific?
small timber
So mine would count as specific?
yes, incredibly specific
small timber
since you basically selectively picked items that you think are interesting to make them scale
smoky sinew
You just wanted me to give you an example, I never said my intention was to only apply it to items I liked
I could have picked any weapon in the game
But regardless it doesn't matter
small timber
there are multiple factor why scaling weapons is not a very good idea tbh (even if late game only), but ya as you say you need extremely convincing reason for the devs to implement it anyway
neat linden
eg: you can suggest to add more post-ML rogue weapon (as in, right after moon lo...
There's actually 5 weapons except literally no one uses the 5th one
name 1 person to ever unironically use https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Hell's_Sun
spring sail
I use it for 2hu reference
But yeah, it’s not very good
Making clear telegraphs on where the trails end should be enough
short walrus
@fair zealot the devs have stated that no class changes will be made to vanilla items
fair zealot
ok nvm then
short walrus
this was a question asked a lot in the leadup to the 1.4 port (as it removed the throwing class) and people wanted them to make the previously-thrower stuff rogue
which did not happen, and never will
so, delete the sugg
neat
fair zealot
lapis charm
keen zodiac
??????? why
short walrus
@ashen warren have you not seen ibans reworks
ashen warren
No
hot zephyr
prismatic and omega blue...
ashen warren
Wait is iban doing this already
short walrus
He's already done what your suggestion is doing (for prehardmode at least)
ashen warren
thanks
ashen warren
POG
short walrus
Which is awesome
hot zephyr
notice something?
ashen warren
yes
swift wharf
I am maleina
ashen warren
no helmet spam
swift wharf
blade of
ashen warren
less go
hot zephyr
hot zephyr
the five-helmet armors are mostly relics, but actually replacing them is a pretty difficult task
i think everyone wants more armor diversity
but you need uhh... more armor
hot zephyr
the biggest points in progression that need more armor variety are points where actually doing that would require a ton of expansion
cobalt heath
https://discordapp.com/channels/225030931008847874/699359022364491868/1008591721078198362 doesnt this exist already
hot zephyr
cobalt heath
I think it's called calamity mod
no i am serious
swift wharf
but yes some of the changes do exist as standalone mods
cobalt heath
there 100% is a mod that ads the recipe changes without calamity
swift wharf
non consumable summons too
ashen warren
alright: does anyone know what these armours are
hot zephyr
it's possible, especially with 1.4's dependencies but uh
swift wharf
the ninja looking one is statigel
hot zephyr
extremely, impossibly unlikely
ashen warren
statigel on the top left, hydrothermic left of that, aerospec left of that one knight thing with a blue tunic
thats all i got
cobalt heath
and bloodflame on the bottom left
swift wharf
wait a minute this isn't suggestion posting 
ashen warren
:trollemoj:
sinful steeple
i'm pretty sure that bone helm and spore sac definitely don't need a buff
in pre hardmode damage accessories are scarce and usually wouldn't do much even if you did have them, bone helm is a pretty good way to get some extra damage in
and i think i recall that the spores made by the spore sac actually do a lot of damage when they actually hit enemies
swift wharf
I have never seen someone actually use spore sac
sinful steeple
on tier i would definitely take bone helm over worm scarf
swift wharf
because everything else is better
and bone helm can still use a little buff
I cannot believe that someone is saying that spore sac is good
I expected people mentioning sabaton
But I think sabaton fans want a buff
inner anvil
That explains it.
inner anvil
Uh, sure.
swift wharf
damn that got accepted quicky 
inner anvil
They're really bad.
Like bro, tell me you use Spore Sac right now.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
swift wharf
I love when they add the strongest accessory in the game in 1.4
and completely forget about the shitty ones
but we turned bone glove into an accessory !!!!!!!!
inner anvil
Insert quantity and quality quote or whatever.
golden tulip
bone glove is good tho
swift wharf
yes that is why it's not in the suggestion
golden tulip
but we turned bone glove into an accessory !!!!!!!!
you complain that they forget about the shitty ones but also that they made bone glove good hdflr
frozen hornet
Wtf was bone glove even
swift wharf
ok but
bone glove DEEZ
and then there's gravity globe which is THE worst accessory in the game
golden tulip
true
fossil bronze
does cal fix grav globe being worse than potions
serene tendon
and then there's gravity globe which is THE worst accessory in the game
it should give Gravity Normalizer effects
swift wharf
does cal fix grav globe being worse than potions
no
short walrus
i think gravity globe is genuinely unsalvagable
swift wharf
grav globe meta for storm weaver
swift wharf
true!
inner anvil
it should give Gravity Normalizer effects
That is actually a very good idea.
I may bring that to the devs.
And maybe a little bit of flight time, maybe, we'll see.
swift wharf
inner anvil
It's not a bad idea, c'mon.
swift wharf
yes that's why I used the based emote
inner anvil
Sorry, I don't understand the emotes of nowadays, the make no sense, yet my name is Memes.
swift wharf
I see
fossil bronze
emotes are a coin flip between whether you're supposed to look at the emote or read its name lmao
inner anvil
emotes are a coin flip between whether you're supposed to look at the emote or r...
Agreeable.
Emotes are just weird, I don't know man.
swift wharf
serene tendon
emotes are a coin flip between whether you're supposed to look at the emote or r...
True
grim tusk
#suggestions-posting message proficiency QoL? 🤨
spring sail
It’s so unnoticeable that it’s basically qol
grim tusk
Except it isnt and fucks balancing over (and we have to balance around it)
For the boss summons and item recipes, Fargo’s mutant could satisfy that
inner anvil
Wait we do?
fossil bronze
why does proficiency even exist
sleek turret
small stat increases through the game if you're using a specific class only
spring sail
It isn’t that obvious
sleek turret
atleast that's how I view it
drowsy plank
why does proficiency even exist
to make tester's lives worse
inner anvil
On my way to just turn it off.
grim tusk
why does proficiency even exist
Borderlands reference maybe. It went horribly wrong
spring sail
It used to be kinda strong and could increase minion slots
Say, what do y’all think about minion speed increase? Like silver enchantment in Fargo’s souls
grim tusk
We do not need more summoner buffs
inner anvil
We do not need more summoner buffs.
grim tusk
Its batshit insane already
inner anvil
So true.
fossil mural
No keep making summoner stronger
It demands more sacrifices
What's the worst that could happen
inner anvil
Whips.
grim tusk
Accessories critting
drowsy plank
strongest ranger fan asking for 1 accessory preHM vs. weakest summoner enjoyer asking for more minions buffs for no fucking reason
fossil mural
Pre hardmode ranger accessories don't exist
Ranger was something everyone collectively hallucinates
drowsy plank
lmfao
inner anvil
Didn't I already do that?
grim tusk
Both of us did quite some times but not inside #feedback or here iirc
Heck Rusty medallion was almost on the chopping block until I suggested to rework
spring sail
Summoner being strong is balance issues
drowsy plank
i did suggest it actually, im just waiting
fossil mural
I'd also like to make a case for more mage accessories through hardmode and post ml
It feels like you use the same 2-3 things forever
Mage
spring sail
Currently Summon proficiency increases minion knockback which is nonexistent
grim tusk
Summoner being strong is balance issues
And bug issues too (many accessories doing crits)
I kid you not but nuclear rod + blade staff is teraprisma before teraprisma
fossil mural
There's also whatever the heck mechworm and saros are doing
Erasing yharon exomechs and scal from existence
spring sail
Like I said these are unbalanced for sure, but them existing isn’t supposed to stop summoners from getting anything else
fossil mural
But yeah mage basically uses the same 3 accessories from post golem until post dog
At least from class setups anyway
That's a long stretch of not really any other mage accessories
And one of em is the weird chaos stone that I don't like using
small timber
#suggestions-voting message there are many suggestions already ya
fossil mural
I ended up just like emblem stacking on my mage playthrough
small timber
for mage accessories
fossil mural
Because wtf else would I do with my slots
spring sail
Y’all being like: mechworm shreds Yharon and SCal so don’t add more whips
Just fix the bugs
spring sail
Ikr, summoner being broken doesn’t mean that we can’t suggest sth good for them
grim tusk
There's also whatever the heck mechworm and saros are doing
Mechworm is probably a result of RDR being gone, Yharon being able to be hit when transitioning phases, nerfs to exos and scal.
Not to mention nucleogenesis also being bugged (components and its projectiles crit)
Saros is just bugged (scaling formula broke)
Sirius has a similar bug to Saros except instead of benefiting the player over 1 slot it does nothing
Meanwhile saros goes 
glacial crater
frail mantle
calamity already changes the pillars
fossil finch
i dont think you have to use tone indicators for simple questions here nobody's going to think you're trolling
Anyways it makes enemies spawn in tiered ways, with weaker enemies first and strongers after
tiers go on as you debilitate the shield
its small and its not really that good but it makes it somewhat more bearable
i don't think it is under the dev's interest to completely rework the pillars at all
fossil finch
at most i imagine them making you have to fight a miniboss on its own after the shield is down to kill the pillar (because it was a passing idea long ago) but that's it
that's a perfectly reasonable change to make i think
drowsy plank
pillar miniboss sounds sick as fuck
presumably this would stop normal spawns of enemies, or at least drastically reduce them until it's dead
grim tusk
i feel like the mgr boss bar should show the shield too
That could be good to sugg
drowsy plank
if they dont i will
grim tusk
Or at least a enemies left count
stuck cave
done
gray nebula
if you don't like them, don't use them? right
drowsy plank
^
drowsy plank
im begging for configs to be added to the donts for the channel
quiet kernel
That and we need :nuclearopinion: emote
swift wharf
we don't need nuclearoption emote
I don't want nons using my precious emote
byeah case of
it's not forced on you
so don't use it
cursive vapor
if you don't like them, don't use them? right
yes but it would be nicer for me to play if it was part of the game and not self-complicating the game, besides, I want friends on my server not to use it too, and when I try to apply self-complication to them they complain, because for them "obviously stupid make a boss summon and discard it after each summon to make a new one"
gray nebula
i mean
itd be the same with a config
theyd complain about you turning the config on
swift wharf
that's an issue with your friends
orchid briar
Calamity players playing with the most toxic people on multiplayer
cursive vapor
theyd complain about you turning the config on
there are not so many problems with changing the config, they easily agreed to increase the HP of the bosses with the settings
fossil finch
ok but that's because they agree with increasing boss hp
if they dont agree with not using those things they won't agree if its a config still
cursive vapor
I gave an example, I'm generally talking about the fact that they do not agree to self-complication, not because it is difficult, but because it is strange, and if these same complications are introduced by settings, then they will accept them easier
swift wharf
wasn't a suggestion similar to this exclamed?
fossil finch
yes
grim tusk
Theres 5 people:
People who want QoL gone
People who want QoL in a separate mod
People who dont give a fuck
People who want to improve QoL
And Dev team
small timber
they thing is if you are playing with a group of multiplayer, the general expectation is that you come to a term and coordinate with each other
there will be people who says "your gear must always be offtier because otherwise our multiplayer will kill boss too fast" and people didn't follow, you cant just say "make a config to make sure people cant use on-tier gear to fight bosses"
inner anvil
Theres 5 people:
People who want QoL gone
People who want QoL in a separate mod
...
And the dev team is the one who decides, coping hard for all the other 4.
neat linden
People who don't give a fuck wouldn't have any issues with dev choices
swift wharf
I simply swallow all dev propaganda and gaslighting 😊
grim tusk
there will be people who says "your gear must always be offtier because otherwis...
Just install Nohit QoL+ and enable that config, should be in nohit doc
small timber
blood orb is absurdly hard to farm (given if you are entirely relying on blood orb for potions) early on so I don't think that one make too much sense, for others I will agree (that some people might see it as cheating)
grim tusk
blood orb is absurdly hard to farm (given if you are entirely relying on blood o...
Fishing?
Death mode (hardmode)
small timber
Fishing?
it is still very costly if the player relies only on blood orbs for farming potions I feel, especially if retries happen
grim tusk
Why do people dont make herb farms
We literally give you boxes and herb bags in sky planetoid
neat linden
Herb farms i feel aren't that much of an issue
small timber
(ya why do people not make herb farm, they are the second thing I do after exploring space planetoid, first thing is craft life crystals with ruby)
neat linden
People do strongly dislike fishing though
small timber
but ya people are just lazy to fish I guess
so maybe just give better fishing rod and remove the potion shops, since that one I think already have plans to be removed/replaced?
hollow shell
Why do people dont make herb farms
Because you can buy all vanilla potions now.
fossil finch
I simply swallow all dev propaganda and gaslighting 😊
so true
hollow shell
Instead of improving herb farm yields to reward players for their agency and maintenance,
we just made herb farms pointless
small timber
I do think removing potion buying will be good though
drowsy plank
i still use my herb farm at least
it goes crazy with staff of regrowth
cursive vapor
blood orb is absurdly hard to farm (given if you are entirely relying on blood o...
I built a flying platform with a pit in the center (I'm under it) with a thin layer of lava and already had a good income of blood spheres in prehardmode, and in hardmode I put conveyors with geysers and traps from the golem dungeon, and also placed a house with an NPC under a pit a little lower so that the clown bomb doesn't kill me and the farm gets even better, all I need is to occasionally upgrade the night and the blood moon, as well as sell money to the NPC next to me
small timber
(the one I am conflict about is non-consumable boss summon remove)
drowsy plank
i mostly splurge the blood orbs i get on calamity pots
hollow shell
I built a flying platform with a pit in the center (I'm under it) with a thin la...
And thus, the Blood Orbs you gain from this AFK farming setup is your reward for constructing this AFK farming setup
drowsy plank
honestly im fine with potions being sold by NPCs if cal just pumped up the potion returns for crafting them manually
small timber
I built a flying platform with a pit in the center (I'm under it) with a thin la...
sorry by absurdly hard to farm I didn't mean it is hard to farm the blood orb, I mean it will take times to farm the amount you need if you are purely using blood orb for potions (even with an afk farm)
especially if there are retries
and if you have little retries/beat bosses very fast, chances are you spend similar amount of time to get the potion with their usual recipe and it will still last you
cursive vapor
And thus, the Blood Orbs you gain from this AFK farming setup is your *reward* f...
yes, but everyone can build it, and it's very easy, compared to this, the plant farm is simply useless
hollow shell
I don't think it's that much easier than a plant farm
swift wharf
how is everyone can build it a bad thing
drowsy plank
id rather spend two seconds farming plants than to build an entire mob farm, plus plants are WAY more compact
small timber
but ya, in my opinion for the suggestion:
- boss summons I am conflict about whether it is good or not; it is farming, and farming is part of terraria, but for new players with very high amount of attempt counts this is meaningless grind
- not gaining blood orb is not happening (due to bloodstone core); cannot craft potions from blood orb I do think is abit unnecessarily, since I feel it is not that efficient
- potions shop removal is fine ya
(forgot to mention this is assuming if it goes through as actual changes, rather than a config; I feel it is better to make concrete decision to do things once and for all rather than having configs to seemingly random things)
grim tusk
Our npcs seling potions is kinda pointless since people prefer alch npc instead anyways, since it has em all conveniently in one shop
hollow shell
(I assume you mean Bloodstone Core, which we can simply remove Blood Orbs from the recipe of, if need be.)
small timber
ya bloodstone core, always confused about its name
hollow shell
Understandable mistake
grim tusk
Our npcs seling potions is kinda pointless since people prefer alch npc instead ...
Altho I like being able to buy opposite evil potions from npcs
grim tusk
(I assume you mean Bloodstone Core, which we can simply remove Blood Orbs from t...
Aint bloodstone core, blood orbs + bloodstone?
hollow shell
AlchNPC, even Lite, has other gameplay-degrading "QoL" in it too though
It isn't just the one NPC
grim tusk
Yea and its 
hollow shell
fossil finch
it needed phantoplasm since ages ago
hollow shell
I'm pretty sure it took Phanto before it took Blood Orbs
fossil finch
)which is proably 2.0
small timber
oh right speaking of boss summon, how does fargo do it again? are they just not consumable until the boss is beaten for the first time?
hollow shell
Or they were added at the same time
hollow shell
oh right speaking of boss summon, how does fargo do it again? are they just not ...
Yes.
fossil finch
fargo's souls simply
grim tusk
oh right speaking of boss summon, how does fargo do it again? are they just not ...
They give you another summon item
swift wharf
It isn't just the one NPC
there is a config to disable the others but thats not relevant
fossil finch
gives you another spawn item every time you summon the boss
until its defeated
swift wharf
fargo has a custom summon item
fossil finch
then it won't
small timber
They give you another summon item
oh in that case that is too similar to the idea I had to be point of copying ya
swift wharf
yea
hollow shell
Fargo's are consumable, but if you die to the boss then you're given a new summon when you respawn
small timber
I was thinking having boss summons be consumable, but be "refunded" if you fail the boss
that way you basically only have to recraft boss summons for your winning attempt; solves both the refarming issue and also the grind if attempt count are high
hollow shell
Indeed
fossil finch
Fargo's *are* consumable, but if you die to the boss then you're given a new sum...
no
You are given a new summon when the boss is summoned
this stops once you resummon a boss you've defeated
so youll have like
One summon extra
that's it
hollow shell
Oh ok, similar
I only experienced it firsthand one time, so I could have it wrong
cursive vapor
but ya, in my opinion for the suggestion:
- boss summons I am conflict about whe...
-I think that new players will play without complications, so grinding will not be a big problem for them because the bosses will be easier, and in vanilla they also grind
and the problem with blood orbs in my opinion arose due to the introduction of the blood moon summoning in vanilla, before that it was a random event and could not be relied on as a constant source of orbs
hollow shell
that way you basically only have to recraft boss summons for your winning attemp...
I did bring this up in the dev server,
and an argument of similar length occurred there as the one here
About how trying to solve the farming issue is pointless because there exist alternatives
hollow shell
-I think that new players will play without complications, so grinding will not ...
Calamity added a Blood Moon summon item even before the 1.4 port
fossil finch
also i completely agree with xpcq in the fact blood orb farming is
painfully slow for actual bulk crafting of potions
because the costs are hilarious, you're gonna be farming constant zerg moons on end to get a full set of all potions )assuming you get like 30 each)
hollow shell
If Blood Orbs were good for crafting potions en masse,
then we wouldn't have added potions to NPC shops
fossil finch
yeah
small timber
-I think that new players will play without complications, so grinding will not ...
just for rough reference, how much potion can you craft with blood orbs and in roughly how many times with the afk farm? just roughly is good enough I think?
since if you are spending like, 2 hours sitting in the afk farm to get the potions I do think it is not that efficient (eventhough sitting in an afk farm is easy to do, there are time cost)
swift wharf
10 orbs for basic potions is kind of a lot yea
cursive vapor
just for rough reference, how much potion can you craft with blood orbs and in r...
ok, i admit that orb farming can have disadvantages, i basically made this suggestion so that event summons and potions are not sold in the store, and also event and boss summons are not infinite, ESPECIALLY for the first kill of the boss
hollow shell
old convo in dev
swift wharf
unrelated but today I learned that phantomic artifact exists because of blood orbs
small timber
event summons being unconsumable is a bit of a weird change tbh, since you don't really need to summon events that many time to begin with
swift wharf
oh it's not on class setups that makes sense anywayas
small timber
especially bloody tear (blood moon summon), where it is abundant to the point of adding a decrafting into blood orb recipe just because the 2nd copy and onwards are useless
drowsy plank
old convo in dev
honestly just lowering orb costs for basic ass potions, and increasing the crafting outputs would do wonders for this system
i never got why things like ironskin and lifeforce had the same cost
grim tusk
Yea maybe halve costs on basic stuff
drowsy plank
both 10 orbs
small timber
I don't mind blood orb being inefficient tbh, it should be as having blood orb recipe is way easier than grinding the materials themselves
grim tusk
Also we could maybe make blood orb crafting pre-skele
small timber
I feel what needs to be done is more way to incentivize player to do the normal recipe instead; blood orb just serve as an alternative if you are really lazy
drowsy plank
i get it being inefficient but it should still make sense
grim tusk
I feel what needs to be done is more way to incentivize player to do the normal ...
Players should take their time and smell the flowers
(And plant em)
hollow shell
Blood Orbs with their current balance always felt to me like an "emergency reserve"
Not for bulk crafting but for getting a specific potion you can't make normally at that moment
small timber
I think most blood orb cost are like, reasonable, since there is obviously a standard there (10 blood orb = 1 basic potion), what is not according to standard is things like this
cursive vapor
for example, why look for a probe of Martians if after a golem you can just buy an item for a call once, why do you need independent arrivals of bosses and the loss of their calls from monsters if you can make a call item once, and with the farm of the summoner, each victory over the boss seems more significant, and brings more joy, and also makes you prepare for the boss more carefully
small timber
(and this one too since it is healing potion)
drowsy plank
seriously this would be really easy to fix if you just bumped up crafting returns so like, id imagine the ratios something like;
-10 pots from normal crafting
-5 from orbs
-1 from buying
this isnt a blanket thing im just starting with easy numbers but you get the idea
small timber
for example, why look for a probe of Martians if after a golem you can just buy ...
ye, martian specifically I will rather just have an item/furniture that increase probe spawn rate than just outright sell the summon
stuck cave
(and this one too since it is healing potion)
that's the normal and only recipe, it's not a blood orb alternative. i think if anything it should be cheaper
fossil finch
and its literally the lost potion ever
stuck cave
farming dog or yharon is not always consistent for most players lmao
small timber
ya I think for omega specifically it will be fair to make it have lower cost, you drink much more healing potion per fight than combat potions
cursive vapor
I'm not against the endless summons of the final or pre-final bosses, I'm talking about most of the bosses before them, before the dog, maybe before the providence, the recipes for the items to summon the bosses are for the most part simple, or there is an alternative method of summoning (queen larva), but at least some time and to farm / search they should take
frosty trellis
Prov wouldn't make much sense to be non-consumable due to needing to kill the guardians for her summon. Same with sentinels summon
If every boss pre-providence had one time use summons, I believe that would be fair, as that means the very hard endgame bosses don't require a shit load of grinding since newer players will be spending 10s to 100s of attempts on the late game bosses, but generally the earlier ones aren't going to take nearly as many attempts, and then boss farming for money gets nerfed while not making endgame really hard and grindy for newer players in that sense
drowsy plank
this is just going back to what we had before
i really dont mind the system we have right now
soft quest
Instead of improving herb farm yields to reward players for their agency and mai...
this convo has long passed but it would be so so cool if botany, and alchemy as a whole was a more intuitive and engaging system. Sure, you can decide to just increase the yield size of harvests but that doesn't make growing plants more fun at all. And making it take even more maintenance would just make it less appealing in general. When I look to other games to see what makes plant farming fun (mostly modded minecraft) I realize the thing that keeps me attentive is automation, working out the logistics of irrigation and harvesting, as well as continuously improving my crops with upgrades, cross breeding, or fertilizer is just so fun and satisfying. Unfortunately, terraria, and most mods strays away from stuff like that, which makes sense because it clashes with the general gameplay of the game. But I think that'd be awesome if someone pulled off some type of system like that, with a simple grow setup being the normal one you see in game and you can slowly upgrade stuff by making sprinklers, harvesters, and fertilization dispersal. You could have these upgrades flow with progression much like how fishing poles follow in game progression.
On the topic of fishing, I really wish a similar concept could be applied to fishing. Its so unbelievably exhausting to go around the world fishing 60 of each potion fish if i want to make a new batch of potions. Pylons have made this more bearable, but imagine you didn't have to rely completely on that. Hatcheries would be so cool, if you could take 2 of a particular potion fish and let them reproduce if you add in some bait (higher bait power = faster reproduction). Perhaps Each potion fish would have its own loved bait that would give it a x2 multiplier. Anyways after you breed them you could take them out and use them for potions. Once again upgrades at progression would be cool and it would be slower than fishing but passive.
Also to wrap this up, potions need to be consumed slower or something, i cant stand blowing through 50 potions in an hour while fighting endgame bosses
cursive vapor
this is just going back to what we had before
I don't like the current system, but I'm sure the vast majority like non-consumable items to summon bosses, which is why I suggested this as a tweak to have a better chance of being implemented
swift wharf
sweet, a potion farming thread
cursive vapor
Prov wouldn't make much sense to be non-consumable due to needing to kill the gu...
I want something like that, it used to be about the same, before the moonlord, the items for the call are spent, or before the bumbleburb, and starting from the guards of Providence or Providence itself, there is no
frosty trellis
Also to wrap this up, potions need to be consumed slower or something, i cant st...
Having to only get every potion at 30 once and then it's Perma is why I have nycro's/Fargo's mutant enabled just because I don't want to blow all my potions on endgame stuff (My infamously hard Death-Yharon telefrag lottery is a prime example)
If potions weren't so expensive to craft (or were just easier to get) via stuff like the methods you said, it wouldn't be as necessary for me to feel like I need Fargo's or Alchlite to not rot my brain out fishing and farming flowers for 10 hours
cursive vapor
Having to only get every potion at 30 once and then it's Perma is why I have nyc...
I think it's a fair trade, exchanging time for a boost during the boss, on the other hand, the blood moon farm requires only time, and you can watch YouTube for a while
frosty trellis
If I could get a blood moon before DoG, I would agree
It's happened twice to me now that I have not gotten a blood moon until post-dog
Can't use blood orbs if the game won't give them to me
cursive vapor
It's happened twice to me now that I have not gotten a blood moon until post-dog
an infinite item for summoning a blood moon drops in pre-hardmode from the moon itself if that's what you mean
soft quest
this is going to be very controversial, but I honestly think there should be a potion limit in each stage of the game. Max of 6 potions pre WoF, Max of 8 pre ML, max of 10 post ML. Stuff like stimulants would count as all of their components (so 4 slots) and food wouldn't count to this limit
frosty trellis
Like, buff slot limits?
drowsy plank
why?
frosty trellis
Because that is an absolute no
soft quest
Like, buff slot limits?
no, just potions
frosty trellis
Wdym then
swift wharf
make so you cant use stims with the potions it uses
frosty trellis
Also that kinda fucks with non-linearity
drowsy plank
lmao
soft quest
i mean cmon, is it really fair to use 210913 ulta quadruple shittening potions against king slime
swift wharf
minmaxers 
drowsy plank
you usually only have access to about 8 potions worth using per tier already
soft quest
this is going to be very controversial, but I honestly think there should be a p...
ive been following this limit in my playthroughs, not allowing myself to use too much potions and i really like it
swift wharf
I love potion stacking !!!!!
frosty trellis
Since the mod is balanced around potions and the buff slot limit
drowsy plank
ignoring everything else. you already only use like 6 potions per tier anyway. so this would be a meaningless change except it'd quash build diversity because why would you waste a slot on things like bounding or tesla when you could just being using swiftness or rage/wrath
soft quest
I love potion stacking !!!!!
getoutofmyheadgetoutofmyheadgetoutofmyhead
frosty trellis
Since the mod is balanced around potions and the buff slot limit
Which is getting removed in 1.4.4, so chaos is gonna ensue
sleek turret
the what
frosty trellis
getoutofmyheadgetoutofmyheadgetoutofmyhead
sleek turret
buff slot limit?
frosty trellis
Ye
swift wharf
44 slots
drowsy plank
buff slot is getting overhauled in the next vanilla version
frosty trellis
22 buff slot limit is being upped to 999 in 1.4.4
swift wharf
I LOVE VANILLA BALANCE
sleek turret
the what why how and why
swift wharf
cursive vapor
i removed the blood orb part because the developer disagreed with it
frosty trellis
Summoner needing 80 buff slots
sleek turret
finally the right amount of buff slots just needed to play the funny mode with E
drowsy plank
i mean it's easy to change and because it really doesnt change anything in vanilla if we're being honest
frosty trellis
With the exception of summoner it changes nothing in vanilla
In calamity
That's an entirely different beast
fossil finch
i don{t think its being upped to 999 but its at least being doubled
either way yeah buff slot slimit is gone
frosty trellis
Finally, I can not have to use 4 of my buff slots alone for boss debuff, Mana and potion sickness and boss Zen!
Sometimes more bc some bosses inflict multiple debuffs
drowsy plank
it's weird that a lot of those are still on the buff rack. like boss zen, and potion sicknesses could easily have been moved to something else, but ig it dont matter much anymore anyway
frosty trellis
Oh I will
Let's me be lazy so I can have my exploration buffs and fighting buffs active at the same time
swift wharf
omniscience potion is a thing
frosty trellis
it's weird that a lot of those are still on the buff rack. like boss zen, and po...
Yeah no kid. It seems so off to having a bunch of your slots be taken up by that + a summon if you're are playing summoner
frosty trellis
omniscience potion is a thing
Inferno, Tesla, Shine
swift wharf
your honor:
frosty trellis
Just stuff I use while exploring
swift wharf
torches
swift wharf
I will personally go back in time and cut the 22 slots in half
frosty trellis
NO
small timber
this is going to be very controversial, but I honestly think there should be a p...
abit late to the convo, but that will pretty much make 0 sense, because potions are stronger later into the game
if anything (after 1.4.4/1.5 buff slot limit removal), the limit should be static, not scaled with progression, eg: 16 max always, no matter progression
frosty trellis
Something I think a number of people are missing with the potion debate though:
Sure, grinding potions is annoying and tedious
But doing it for more than one playthrough is why people have stuff like Fargo's, nycro's and Alchlite enabled
Doing the grind once is fine, not the best, not the worst
Doing it more than once it's where it just becomes a very boring and excessive chore every time you want to do another playthrough of the mod
small timber
ya generally from the post above, automation (though you require some form of effort to achieve the automation in the first place) will be good
Oh right since draedon cell factory exist, it is not exactly out of the way either, could make it draedon themed
frosty trellis
Yeah
Would make the mod have more replay value with the automation making the task of potion farming less tedious and not feel like I need Alchlite enabled or I am going to suffer for 10 hours every time I want to do the Death-Yharon telefrag lottery
small timber
(also what even is death yharon telefrag lottery)
I mean, yharon do telefrag, but I dont feel it is a lottery
cursive vapor
potions are literally power-ups in exchange for time or boredom
golden tulip
bold take
fossil finch
i dont think thats good
thats like
worst game design ever
"you can get power ups at the cost of not having fun while playing"
????
what
cursive vapor
Yes, a blood farm takes more time, but during it you can watch YouTube, and it is many times easier to build than a plant farm, and this is why it is better
golden tulip
building is an activity in exchange for time and boredom
mining is an activity in exchange for time and boredom
fossil finch
games shouldn't have "power ups" in exchange of not being fun
thats stupid
games are for having fun
cursive vapor
building is an activity in exchange for time and boredom
building and mining is not boring (at least for me)
or around tens/hundreds of deaths
cursive vapor
I play calamity precisely for this, for the fact that here you can die on bosses tens / hundreds of times
fossil finch
fights arent balanced around death counts
anyone can first try whatever boss if they have enough skills
They are stat-wise balanced around having buffs
small timber
I think that is actually how it is balanced? That or you are expected to be skilled at the boss (which obviously is not plausible when it is your first time fighting it)
fossil finch
thats just not how its balanced because like
how could testers balance around that
its not something you can really do
fab may design bosses expecting "well yeah most people will need to try a couple times" but that's not balancing at all, that just difficult fights being difficult
and things can't and aren't balanced around "tens or hundreds of deaths"
swift wharf
That is correct
Post ML it means 4 warding tank/mobility accessories, 3 menacing offensive accessories, no alcohols, most buff potions, no rage, no adrenaline
cursive vapor
then it's the problem of bosses, not potions
swift wharf
(Tester build)
small timber
DPS wise I am pretty sure you are expected to have most potions on; hp/defense wise is not so strict as can be overcomed with skill; movement wise I dont think bosses are balanced around potion, they make the fight eaiser and thats all
golden tulip
> Post ML it means 4 warding tank/mobility accessories, 3 menacing offensive acc...
damn alcohol discrimination
frosty trellis
I mean, yharon do telefrag, but I dont feel it is a lottery
Because the telefrags are extremely inconsistent in phase 2 and I am forced to pre-ram half the time so I don't get dashed into oblivion (A lot of the time these days if I die to death yharon, it's in the last 6% of it's health due to the telefrags and just not enough reaction time to get the fuck away. All it's other attacks are fine, just the dashes are inconsistent)