suggestions-discussion

[grim tusk]

Indeed

[small timber]

currently it is like having a single potion (penumbra ye) basically double your stealth regen which is stupid

[left jetty]

I think stealth should generate faster on base

[small timber]

(also can shattering be killed already, it is double rage, wrath and ichor in 1)

[left jetty]

but not require so many pots

[small timber]

I actually think the opposite, stealth regen in late game (especially mobile) should regen slower but also higher damage

[left jetty]

the rogue seems like a class which needs a little retooling yet

[hot zephyr]

Invisibility Potion will DIE in 3..... 2....

[left jetty]

but that's just my opinion

[hot zephyr]

We know

[small timber]

currently (most) of the late game rogue weapon have pretty meh stealth strike (in terms of damage) due to the reason that stealth regen at late game is stupidly fast even when mobile

(except like final dawn and stuff, but that is final dawn)

[left jetty]

rogue just seems a little weak and a bit weird to me, and sometimes OP somehow

[hot zephyr]

Stealth needs to be upended and rebuilt
Most of the Rogue accessories are either F tier or S(uper mandatory) tier

We're aware, it's just not at the front of the priority list

[left jetty]

fair enough

[hot zephyr]

I'd suggest using the Coin of Deceit paired with the Silencing Sheath

Spam rogue is cereal without milk
Stealth rogue relies on the players finding and using a specific combination of accessories and potions

[left jetty]

true

when and if it gets fixed eventually, it could be really fun

[hot zephyr]

Stealth kicks ass when you're finally set up for it

Unfortunately it doesn't kick in for awhile

Don't worry, though, that problem won't last forever.

[left jetty]

how long, post ml?

[hot zephyr]

I'd say late phm or early hardmode

[left jetty]

ah aight

[hot zephyr]

Ruin Medallion does a lot of heavy lifting

It's a hilariously overpowered accessory that is in desperate need of a rework, but even slightly changing it would result in massive balance implications for Rogue

[small timber]

I feel preHM rogue is no problem (since there are many funny weapons), start of hardmode is rough, then you get ruin medallion which helps, then penumbra, then post-cultist and you get dark god sheath the funny accessory

[hot zephyr]

But if you're currently playing Cal, and haven't experimented with Stealth I'd really recommend rushing for Coin of Deceit.... at this point my priority on day1 of every rogue PT is just running in one direction so I can get Acidwood for the funny coin.

[cobalt pewter]

I felt a disturbance in the force

as if I'm needed

okay jokes aside I would love for invisibility pot to be not stealth anymore, but ultimately that'd be a better fit for when they eventually rebranded stealth in who knows when

(rebranded as in reworking the name and theming, not the current mechanic)

[hot zephyr]

I'd like Invis potion to

Stop existing

Rogue doesn't need three class potions

Especially if it's just going to get upgraded into a more convenient version later on anyways

[small timber]

just rebrand invis to actual reduce aggro to 0 potion and remove stealth related benefit

[drowsy plank]

alongside the perennial rework make a zen/calming + invis potion upgrade that lets you ignore enemies while building or something bc of how little they target you

[dusty path]

It may be hard to make him like the dungeon

More because you can't make a house at a dungeon

[small timber]

I mean suggesting an npc with specifically laid out function by itself is probably a don't

and from the function you laid out... it will probably be faster if you just install alchnpc or something

[safe oasis]

that and also rover quote™️

[small timber]

oh right I havent read the part where it is straight up a MH reference, ya this is like, never will go

[golden tulip]

i just realized

rover quote is the same thing as 2024

amazing

[gray nebula]

NO monster hunter

[sonic pumice]

Yes I'm playing the latest 1.4 version.

[safe oasis]

what is a 2024

[swift wharf]

@ leon

[south flint]

the edit is an uh oh

[sonic pumice]

Why? Like which new player (after fighting all the previous bosses) would think "Ah yeah, this HUGE worm boss that shoots lasers requires you to stay more on the ground"?

[south flint]

and it might fall under "an extreme amount of time and effort to execute"

[safe oasis]

an npc does not feel like an extreme amount of time and effort at all

this npc is just kinda useless though

[golden tulip]

dominic quote

[south flint]

that's why i said might
also i don't think tmod allows for npcs to like the dungeon which is where the time and effort would go

[safe oasis]

oh that

[golden tulip]

rover quote vs dominic quote

(they bring across the same point)

[gray nebula]

#goober

tho idk if i npcs can even live there

[golden tulip]

wtf

[gray nebula]

but ye

[golden tulip]

is that how it works

[gray nebula]

u can even make modded biome preferences not that hard

[golden tulip]

temple living biome

[gray nebula]

like u can manually write code for what defines the biome

[safe oasis]

dune hopper projectile preference

[dusty path]

It does allows

HOWEVER

It is not possible to create a house at the dungeon

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

with new version of DoG, the phase is pretty much just "he move slightly faster"

most of the time I dont think it is even like, noticeable, you will just think he is more aggressive and thats about it (instead of a "speedy charge"), I think your build completely lacking any movement speed might be the cause

(or you play extremely risky and super close to the head, which do make the speed increase more apparent)

[fossil mural]

Or if you're on malice

Dog moves at mach 50 in malice

Albeit malice dies whenever next update releases

[quiet kernel]

M*lice players

[fossil finch]

it is possible to create a house at the dungeon

its ust that they dont like dungeon

[fossil mural]

Isn't it more so dungeon biome is defined by it's unsafe walls

And you need player placed walls for a house

[fossil finch]

you can technically just like

make a house on a place that counts as dungeon

if theres enough blocks and shit nearby it'd work

also bombs

i think

[fossil mural]

Really? Hm

Interesting I guess

I thought dungeon was entirely defined by the wall your standing in front of

Not blocks around you

Because like if you wanna farm enemies you gotta either find natural walls or place unsafe walls elsewhere

Spamming dungeon bricks doesn't turn it into a dungeon

[drowsy plank]

you can have as many dungeon blocks nearby as you want but unless you're behind a wall it doesnt mean shit
you'd have to make a custom check for dungeon brick lmfao

also why has no one flagged that suggestion yet

[dusty path]

The wiki says that to be considered in a dungeon, you must to have 150 dungeon blocks at your screen AND be in front of an unsafe wall

[hollow shell]

Did nobody ping the guy

[small timber]

the npc one?

wait I didnt ping

[hollow shell]

@fringe axle Hello. Look in the pins to find the Don'ts Doc. Your suggestion has a few problems (namely: over-specificity, lack of reason why, an intro, and being a reference)

[dusty path]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fringe axle]

Noted - will modify according to the rules at a later point as I have better ways of putting it
Just didn’t have overly much time to format it then

[hollow shell]

[golden tulip]

guys

git made a pumpler video

get ready

[fossil finch]

to release the update that fixes pumpler

clearl

[frosty trellis]

LMFAO

[swift wharf]

[fringe axle]

Hopefully this seems better?

[burnt condor]

I do not think the boss rush needs to be… longer…?

[sand ermine]

Boss Rush already feels a bit long enough

I do not want to fight 40 bosses in a row without dying once for longer than 20-25 minutes, and I feel like a lot of other people can agree with that

[hollow shell]

Yes, that is better. Thank you

[fossil mural]

Quick question

So boss rush used malice AI

In the case of Providence, does this include night/malice Providence's times/reactive DR

Or is it a slightly different AI that doesn't have that

[fossil finch]

it does include her reactive dr

[fossil mural]

Since currently, normal night/malice Providence is the only boss with it but I don't know if that applies to boss rush Providence

Ah okay

[drowsy plank]

empress of light has it too

[hollow shell]

I am pretty sure Boss Rush Prov is distinct from Malice/Night Prov
Still has both biome attacks but isn't blue and doesn't have the timer DR mechanic

[fossil mural]

It certainly doesn't look like she has timed Dr when I watch videos and such in boss rush

[hollow shell]

Someone could go in-game and check

or watch a recent video I spose

Yeah in this one he fucking melts her and she's yellow

[fossil mural]

Yeah no dr it seems, interesting

[hollow shell]

@bright pier See the "Suggestion Don'ts" in pins
Your suggestion is too specific and relies too much on adding a reference rather than how it would benefit the mod

[bright pier]

Thanks, I read it but didnt scroll enough to see the google file

[proud quest]

why is murasama in character creation

[fossil finch]

murasama is not in character creation

uh

idk

that's a bug

[proud quest]

ur trolling

its animated

[fossil finch]

its probably not calamity's fault

that does not exclude for it to be a bug

[proud quest]

dude its intentional

it has to be

[swift wharf]

suggestion discussion!

[fossil finch]

you're not funny

[proud quest]

?

[grim tusk]

#bugs-read-pins

[proud quest]

reduce voodoo demon spawns

pls

istfg

i cant build an arena

at all

[hollow shell]

You do have a bad habit of bringing up random topics here and then not following them up with a suggestion, 3nel

[proud quest]

i just did

[hollow shell]

It wasn't relevant to Murasama, though

[swift wharf]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Voodoo_Demon_Voodoo_Doll

[hollow shell]

^

[proud quest]

forgot that existed

ngl

[proud quest]

no one was answering why it was in player selection so i asked in channel;s where ppl were active just cuz i was curious

my bad

dont gotta flame me

[hollow shell]

Yes it is not ideal to use this channel as a general chatting channel

It exists for a purpose

[proud quest]

fine man

i wont ask any questions i guess

[ruby plover]

i mean you can still ask questions surely
just in the appropriate channelse

[proud quest]

well i get dogpiled whenever i repeat my questions in the same channels so i moved to other ones

[crude geode]

That doesn’t mean you should misuse channels

[fossil mural]

I mean that doesn't mean just go somewhere else. Just wait a bit and ask your question in help or cmt

[hollow shell]

(also you didn't even wait 60 seconds in any given channel for someone to notice and answer)

(yeah just have patience)

[gray nebula]

i hate MGR ‼️

[fossil mural]

If you wait long enough different people will be chatting and you might get an answer

If you ask back to back ofc people might get annoyed

[crude geode]

So true

Surprised the stealth potion sugg is still up considering how awful the reasoning is

monster Hunter one seems oddly specific ngl

[proud quest]

true but no one answered after 5 minutes

so its prolly lost in time

[proud quest]

dont we all

[swift wharf]

they do not know that wizard sells RoD

[ruby plover]

point still stands that you should, when you ask again, ask in the proper channels

[swift wharf]

And people don't have to answer, y'know

[fossil mural]

I feel like this mod having any mgr references at all was a mistake

[swift wharf]

Nah

[fossil mural]

It just opens the floodgates to people who want more

[swift wharf]

Blame maxor

[crude geode]

MGRR was a mistake itself

[swift wharf]

and terraria youtubers

[hollow shell]

MGRR only really became an issue with the recent resurgence

which Max0r probably contributed to

[swift wharf]

Indeed

[proud quest]

ok

[proud quest]

did he make murasama

who is maxor

[swift wharf]

yes

[fossil mural]

Max0r made a video about mgr

[proud quest]

oh

[fossil mural]

He's a YouTuber

Very popular video

It's the reason mgr memes are still posted everywhere

It's a funny video but man

[proud quest]

mgr memes and cosplays are so cringe bro

[fossil mural]

The memes and lyric chaining is so old now

[proud quest]

like reddit shit

[swift wharf]

Cosplays take effort what the fuck

???

[proud quest]

online

[ruby plover]

cosplays are fine

[crude geode]

This is offtopic

[proud quest]

like roblox

i didnt specify enough

my bad

[ruby plover]

mm this

[proud quest]

like roblox kids cosplaying it and saying a mgr reference every 5 seconds

[hollow shell]

byeah sorry for dragging this offtopic a bit

I should probably delete that Blade Wolf sugg

[proud quest]

why delete

[swift wharf]

can someone post a config sugg I wanna use my emote

[proud quest]

isnt it already crossed off

[swift wharf]

against the don'ts

so might as well

[proud quest]

ok

[crude geode]

Surprised you’re letting the stealth potion sugg stand Rover

[hollow shell]

Yeah it has an exclamation which means it's effectively deleted

However, people can still comment on it and bring it up again

for the whole 24 hours

[fossil bronze]

epic gaming suggestion:
REMOVE ALL MGR REFERENCES FROM CALAMITY

[hollow shell]

which spawns offtopic conversation

[swift wharf]

no loss

tbh

[crude geode]

Like this one

[proud quest]

actually dont make yharim like the final mgr boss

i regret saying that

idk why people agreed with that statement

[hollow shell]

I was kinda confused by it, and didn't know if our current Invis effects were still in the mod

[crude geode]

It seems just. ill informed because stealth is FAR from unviable in boss fights

[hollow shell]

Okay yes those effects are still in

[fossil bronze]

people see "cool mgr references" and their brains just vanish out of their skulls

[fossil mural]

Doesnt invis and shadow potions already boost stealth generation

[hollow shell]

@left jetty You should acknowledge the benefits that invisibility potions already grant to the Rogue class
The dagger buff in particular already gives what you're asking

[proud quest]

calamity should add new paintings or way to craft them

[swift wharf]

I'm convinced that people don't know how to use stealth at this point

[proud quest]

paintings are so fun to collect and hang up it makes the houses look rlly good

[hollow shell]

There is a fan-mod called Calamity's Vanities which adds tons of Calamity-themed paintings, among other things

[proud quest]

wait stealth is a mgr reference isnt it

[swift wharf]

No?

[proud quest]

phew

[swift wharf]

[proud quest]

dude there are so much references in this game that i wouldnt be surprised if stealth was one of them

[fossil bronze]

isn't mgr like the only metal gear game that's not about stealth though

[proud quest]

there is stealth

sneak up behind and deal more damage

[crude geode]

Can we stop talking about this game.

[proud quest]

can you shut up

we are talking about calamity

and how i thought it related to another

[crude geode]

You may be talking about cal but this is #suggestions-discussion not #calamity-mod-talk

and Rover JUST deleted the mgrr sugg to get us to stop going offtopic

[proud quest]

it was one convo

we are done with it

you dont have to minimod all the time

[crude geode]

It really wasn’t

[proud quest]

i said a single off topic sentence

chill out man

[hollow shell]

Factually untrue

I would appreciate it if we stopped talking about it yes

[proud quest]

fine i will

god fucking damn

[ruby plover]

thinking of perhaps suggesting a rework, or buff, to the necro armour

as it stands, it's basically worse than shadow/crimson armour, with the recent rework

[hollow shell]

Will or will not the Bone Wings buff get taken into account

[ruby plover]

and not preferable to aerospec as well

ah

i forgor that item is a thing

that synergy i mean

[hollow shell]

Technically makes Necro viable in two periods of the game

[fossil mural]

Bone wings?

[ruby plover]

true...

[hollow shell]

Granted, it's not interesting from a functional standpoint, more so just
conceptually, an armor coming back

is neat

[ruby plover]

i haven't seen it with the exact stats, i might compare it with other options

[ruby plover]

cos like, the thing is that every other armour at both stages that necro is viable has more than just damage boosts, like necro does

shadow has speed, crimson has regen, hardmode armours have... stuff

[hollow shell]

Yeah Necro really has nothing interesting going for it

It's one of the only PreHM ranger sets and it has basically no set bonus, it's just stats

[ruby plover]

and at that, no move speed i believe

(which isnt a necessity of course, but almost all other armours have that)

[crude geode]

Cal powercreeping vanilla moment

[hollow shell]

More so vanilla not updating old content moment

They totally could have done a Titanium/Hallowed with it, but they didn't

[swift wharf]

ore armors

[hollow shell]

Maybe in the next update eh

[crude geode]

What do you mean?

In vanilla bone armor is like fine

Unless the shadow and crimtane changes are vanilla and I’m high af

[ruby plover]

yeah, necro is great in vanilla

cos you dont get many damage boosting armours in pre-hm

[hollow shell]

I don't mean that it's not viable, I mean that it's not interesting

[ruby plover]

right

[crude geode]

Vanilla keeps thing excessively simple pre-hm true

[hollow shell]

You could make a suggestion to give Necro Armor some more, in Calamity

Especially next to the Calamity armors at that tier, it's lackin'

[ruby plover]

yee

I shall do

[crude geode]

Yeah it’s been heavily powercreeped

[hollow shell]

[swift wharf]

Even stuff that is untouched by cal can compete with modded sets

even other stuff*

like bee armor

[crude geode]

I feel like bee armor is the exception rather than the rule

[swift wharf]

fair

even then

bee armor gets outclassed by obsidian

[hollow shell]

(Bee armor is pretty dang boring too, for a summoner armor)

But, summoner is a different breed, especially in vanilla

[fossil mural]

TIL that exists, huh. Neat.

[crude geode]

Tbh I’m fine with boring, it’s. kind of why vanilla exists lol

[ruby plover]

what is the point where bone wings are obtainable?

post 1 mech?

[hollow shell]

Post-Plant Dungeon

Buffed skeles

[swift wharf]

makes sense

[ruby plover]

oh huh

gotcha

[swift wharf]

I mean it doesn't have to be smth like pre-hm ore reworks

byeah making it good compared to other armor sets would be nice

[ruby plover]

any other points that i could add to my suggestion?

[gray nebula]

Kid named bone armor

[swift wharf]

redder dev

wtf

[swift wharf]

looks good

[hollow shell]

Good suggestion

[grim tusk]

Orang

[swift wharf]

[hot zephyr]

holy shit storm dev

[swift wharf]

holy shit ian dev

[hot zephyr]

[ruby plover]

seeing that orange with the defiled icon is a lil cursed

[swift wharf]

cbt icon when

[ruby plover]

i keep having to remind myself that abbreviation has two meanings here

[hollow shell]

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

[ruby plover]

three meanings

[hollow shell]

(also not sugg chat >:( )

[ruby plover]

tru

[drowsy plank]

this is reminding me i should resubmit my suggestion about pumpkin/ninja armor

tho im considering waiting til the next update so i can lump fossil in too when desert prowlers gets buffed to overshadow it

[hollow shell]

We get a lot of boot/wingboot suggestions, don't we.

[fossil mural]

I guess that idea wouldn't hurt but

There's also already a handful of ways to fast fall

Normality relocator and some mounts being the main ones post ml

More the merrier I guess

[drowsy plank]

one thing i always found weird is that despite being quite prominent in preHM i just

cant seem to fast fall once you put wings on or something

idk what items it is but while the speed of fast falling in preHM is comparable to the slime mount after you put wings on you just

Can't

so i think it might be useful to have

[hard prawn]

i was looking through them and anything related to the boots/the gravistar has like 100 stars lol

personally one of my favorite parts of terraria is getting all the best combo accessories and i was kinda dissapointed when i found out that calamity hardly expands on vanillas base accessory progression

[hollow shell]

In the future we plan on having a separated boot line without wings, and the boot-only line will very likely inherit Sabaton
And you could then equip wings alongside them in a separate slot

[hard prawn]

there are a few new things but after terraspark boots there are like 3 upgrades hardmode and up

[fossil mural]

Calamity sorta wants to move away from super mega accessory combos don't they?

[hollow shell]

Ah, well, you see
We're trying to cut down on all-encompassing combo accessories

Yeah

[hard prawn]

that actually sounds sick

i like the idea of chosing certian paths for your combo accesories tho

[fossil mural]

On this topic

[hollow shell]

Cuz by the endgame, with all the combinations, there is actually not much build variety at all
So many accessories do so many things
At least, that's how it was in the past, with accs like The Sponge and Heart of the Elements

We are in the middle of the process of cutting em all down and giving each accessory a more defined use and niche

[fossil mural]

Does stacking tracers with treads actually do anything

I found out a few days ago you could equip both at once

[hollow shell]

I don't know if you can equip them together?

Oh huh

[fossil mural]

But it didn't feel like it did anything

[hard prawn]

instead of 1 accessory with 1000 other things on it why not chose between 4 different boots all with different themes

[drowsy plank]

having several small combos with different effects is way cooler than 1 big accessory that Does Everything But You Don't Use Half Of It

yeah lol

[hollow shell]

Mhm, exactly

[drowsy plank]

especially considering that already exists in preHM with hellfire tread and fairy boot reworks

fairy boots my beloved
literally better than terraspark stat wise

[frozen hornet]

me wearing three pairs of boots because they're all great

[drowsy plank]

lol

[hard prawn]

for instance you could have boots that give a ton of movement but dont have anything that helps with damage or defence, or boots that give a bunch of damage perks but your movement is verry limited

[hollow shell]

Yeah that's the idea

[hard prawn]

and you could make it so you can only have one equipped so you cant just stack em

[hollow shell]

Well, more so that the two big ones we plan on having are
wingboots, and just boots
Where the wingboots would have worse wing stats and worse boot stats than either of their individual counterparts, but they only take up one slot

[frozen hornet]

Oh whoops

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[hollow shell]

We may or may not have more variety throughout PreHM and HM too

instead of Terraspark/Angel dominance

[hard prawn]

honestly never been a fan of wingboots bc i use wing slot mod

[drowsy plank]

prayge for void of extinction + hellfire and bloom stone + fairy upgrades at some point

ew wing slot

[frozen hornet]

🙏

[hollow shell]

Wing Slot is, funny

[drowsy plank]

truly the mod ever

[hard prawn]

wish there was calamity officaly supported wing slot tho

[drowsy plank]

i dont

[hard prawn]

if it was propperly balanced it would be nice

idk tho i dont play much calamity

[hollow shell]

Hard to do that

[hard prawn]

also have no idea how you would propperly balance a wing slot lol

[hollow shell]

It is a whole extra accessory slot, a whole new Demon Heart / Celestial Onion

[drowsy plank]

adding a wingslot just turns wings into a requirement

[hard prawn]

fair points im hearing

[drowsy plank]

it kills the fact that balloons and mounts have a tiny niche even somewhat late into progression cause you'd just always be wearing wings as soon as you get them

[hollow shell]

It would be pretty sick to have a Post-ML jumping accessory, when we get around to the boot split

[gray nebula]

properly (a free accessory slot as soon as hardmode starts) balanced

[hard prawn]

another fair point, but i would like to say that wings make my brain tingle

[gray nebula]

bundle of balloons superiority

💪

[drowsy plank]

i would be ecstatic

[gray nebula]

its my go to accessory even for debugging its just so fun

[drowsy plank]

reminds me of my idiotic turtle wing suggestion that had 0 flight time but gave you the slam giant tortoises have
it would probably be bad but it would be fun

[bright crag]

1.5.0 Bundle of Balloons when it enters orbit speed

One of the best accessories in the game

[hard prawn]

MOAB supremacy

its like bundle of balloons but bloons tower defence

[unborn oriole]

Bob sure is funny

[cobalt pewter]

boot split? you mean that angel treads will have a jump-oriented line?

okay might be a lil specific but I would assume that's the case

[cobalt pewter]

increased jump speed but also increased fall speed

[drowsy plank]

angel treads will have a tread oriented line, was all

[drowsy plank]

would be nice

[cobalt pewter]

wait oh god I just realized

someone actually suggested a Gravistar Sabaton buff!

i am not crazy in the slightest!!!!1

[hollow shell]

Can't say I've ever seen a bar rotation suggestion before

Interesting

[frail mantle]

i'm not sure if this is something i've ever thought of wanting but i can't say i doubt that someone could want it

[small timber]

tbh I probably like the idea of having NPCs sell them based on progression more

we already have painter which make sense for paint sprayer, goblin tinkerer which make sense of extendo grip, brick layer which make sense for like, demo I guess? and cement mix for steampunker (though it will be a bit late)

but ya regardless, @celest magnet probably best to at least mention what the 'building accessories' are, from the suggestion I can only assume it is Architect Gizmo Pack

[balmy bough]

you gotta know people love spectre set or mana polarizer wouldn't exist, but can i suggest a less bunk one xD

should be well after plantera but man polarizer blows and the heal bitch is a time honored station

[hollow shell]

You would like more "healer"-type equipment in the mod?

[balmy bough]

that

[hollow shell]

As in the ability to heal other players

[balmy bough]

is it widely begged for? honestly be surprised if it wasnt

[hollow shell]

We do not get many suggestions for that at all, that I can recall

I think it'd be fine to suggest that

[balmy bough]

huh. surprised there's not more like me that couldnt click the broad side of a barn but still wanna help

lol

[frail mantle]

calamity players forget that multiplayer and not instantly exploding when you take damage exists

[hollow shell]

We kinda shit on multiplayer for its bugginess, and tend not to design for it
But healer stuff is an avenue we really don't explore

and I think it could be fun

[balmy bough]

i agree. me one friend is better than me and leans melee, so when i get spectre we pop off for a bit

but once it gets replaced we always sad

lol

[frail mantle]

the only examples i can think of when it comes to multiplayer oriented calamity gear are bulwark of deities and affliction

and the former is more an upgrade of a vanilla multiplayer oriented accessory than its own thing

[hollow shell]

The chloro armor rework also heals nearby players

[frail mantle]

i forgot new chloro was a thing

[crude geode]

Isn’t the main counter to “add more healer stuff” just. thorium existing?

[golden tulip]

no?

what

lmao

thats a whole other mod

thatd be like saying "add more mage accessories" "no because this other mod already adds that"

[celest magnet]

fixed thanks for mentioning it 👍

[celest magnet]

went through a playthrough with friends and didnt end up acquiring the architect gizmo pack because of bad trader RNG, made building a bit of a pain and figured it might be a good idea to suggest crafting recipes for the components similar to the cellphone and ankh charm

[fossil finch]

I do not think

[swift wharf]

Is it that bad even with the buffs?

[crude geode]

It adds a whole class FOCUSED around support healing and expanding that

[golden tulip]

ok and

x mod does this so calamity cant

lol

[fossil finch]

I think the main argument against healer equipment is just whether the devs want to make them or not

I'd also like for them to have an use in sp

[golden tulip]

yes

[small timber]

ya healer in concept for multiplayer is like, fine, since bosses have 2 player hp and you sacrifice (ideally partially, eg: spectre hood, rather than chlorophyte but chlorophyte is busted) part of your dps to dedicate to healing

but for single player (if it is balanced for single player) it is either underpowered (low healing, low damage) or you become unkillable, especially with how many regen option calamity provide already

oh right, I do have a video for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QygU2jgQnwA you can see how much regen you can get even before moon lord, it gets kinda stupid

[crude geode]

Defensive stuff is bad though

[small timber]

they actually feel really good tbh, in fact I just learn today that reaver tank armor don't reduced MS by 50%, but only decrease by 20%
so instead of "literally unmovable", it is just "cancel your swiftness potion"

which probably makes it one of the most stupid armor in the game that nobody will use

[crude geode]

Byeah I think this is more the primary argument, cuz it also would probably require a good chunk of balancing (as current chloro shows)

[golden tulip]

yes adding stuff requires balancing

isnt that kinda

redundant to say

i think its literally more do they feel like it

lol

[grim tusk]

Just invest on mobility accessories or smth to compensate

Its not like quick reforge, grand gelatin, treads and aero stone dont exist

[small timber]

nono, I mean stupid as in it is probably one of the most overpowered armor in the game that no one use

20% decrease is literally nothing, probably will not even be considered as a notable downside; only the 30% decrease damage is (considering the armor pieces itself give no damage)

[odd ice]

i cant find jungle spores does anyone know why?

[sullen hare]

Why in the great heavens would this be an issue regarding suggestions

[odd ice]

bc noboody answers in any other chat

i need to know

is there a reason

[sullen hare]

thats because you are providing 0 information

[odd ice]

sure

but do u know?

[sullen hare]

No im not god

Youll have to provide more information

Only think i can tell you is that they spawn in the underground jungle

decently deep down

[odd ice]

I, ME, am not able to find a single jungle spolre in the biome named the jungle, and in the underground cavern layer, is this to do with the calamity mod pack?

[sullen hare]

I was more referring to height

[odd ice]

alright i will look

thx

[edgy sundial]

no

[sullen hare]

they might be lower down

but i have not heard of any issue of the sort

[odd ice]

ok

[neat linden]

Why on earth did you post it to suggestions-posting

if no one answered, there's the incredibly simple solution of waiting a few minutes/hours then asking again in a channel like #help-advice-read-pins

[worn salmon]

they are

[fossil mural]

People don't read

[neat linden]

they're only in the caverns layer

a bit far down

[sullen hare]

yea

[odd ice]

thx found them

[fossil mural]

You should probably delete your "suggestion"

No point in letting it sit there

[tardy smelt]

I'm using it in a smp at the moment

its

amazing

[oblique geyser]

@severe hemlock Rage and Adrenaline sounds playing for everyone on the server is a known bug rn

[severe hemlock]

alright thanks

[sand ermine]

i think its fixed next update?

so then its only client sided

but we have No Clue when the update comes out i think

[fossil mural]

There is indeed no ETA on the update

It'll be done when it's done

[sand ermine]

it Will be done in Time

Time as in We Will Not Get It In The Next 5 Seconds (Probably)

[swift wharf]

Is that even possible to do

?

[frail mantle]

it might? i don't know how possible it is to change whether an enemy can pass through blocks or not

[swift wharf]

can you even place tiles on top of npcs

[frail mantle]

i'd assume so if they pass through tiles

[swift wharf]

oh

huh

[frail mantle]

i know you can't with town npcs because there's been enough times some random shithead bunny or guide or something decided to sit their fat ass down right where i'm trying to build and i have to either kill them or wait for them to fuck off

[fossil finch]

i dont think you can if they pass through tiles

[drowsy plank]

wait fairies block tile placement? that's weird cause ive never seen them do that underground

must be some weird interaction with the new boots

[frail mantle]

there's a difference between the underground fairies that guide you to chests and shit and the surface fairies that act like critters

[fossil finch]

rreads like a rant i think

[frail mantle]

i believe the latter is what the fairy boots use

[fossil finch]

also kinda very opinionated

[magic verge]

there, less ranty

[drowsy plank]

just... flatten your sea and put platforms over the water

i thought everyone did this

i thought the point of T1 was to try and
yknow
get the player to actually go in the water (i mean i still dont because i typically have a long ranged weapon by post eye but)

this sugg's reasoning is really weak

[fossil finch]

i dont flatten the sea t all i just put platforms down

i also don't mind the event's lenght because i find the event itself somewhat relaxing

the problem with nuclear frogs is that melee is still in the game really tb h ngl

[magic verge]

i dont see how it has weak reasoning
-most melee weapons at that point are true melee and cant hurt toads
-3 out of 5 enemies of the event can easily get stuck on places hard to reach decreasing spawncounts
-only a single one out of the 5 enemies hunt you down actively, compared to every single one of them at the goblin army

compared to the goblin army, which are just a dotzen enemies on my screen going to my position, tier one acid rain is me trying to find where the enemies are

and hunting them down for myself

which makes the experience much more slower compared to the former

[serene tendon]

100% agree with duck. The event isn't nearly hostile enough.

[fossil finch]

well that's not what duck is suggesting at all

[small timber]

so the problem is.... make acid rain enemy more aggressive/seek the player more actively?

[fossil finch]

why not suggest to make the event more aggressive instead of reducing the amount of enemies you need to kill

[small timber]

since if that is the problem then it is really not associated with the event being too lengthy/kill count requirement too high

[magic verge]

well yes because its either, rework every single enemy of the acid rain except one, or at least make it less tedious

[small timber]

ye

[magic verge]

and i went for the realistical approach

[small timber]

I dont think that is like too much work tbh, they already reworked many (acid rain) enemy once

[fossil finch]

also you can just say like

make them more aggrsive like a general statement

its not like it has a ton of enemies

[small timber]

all they need to do is probably like, give some enemies block passing ability (for those that easily get stucked), just as long as it is not gatligator degree of block passing where it swim into cavern

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[magic verge]

you cant by design, explosive toads idea is flawed from the very begining, and other sea creatures that cant just fly will have the same problem

[fossil finch]

i think its better to suggest the better approach than the "realistical" one

[drowsy plank]

remove block passing from trashers and give it to the rest of the enemies 🙏

[fossil finch]

you're tunnel visioning the,

oh my god

"you cant by design" what design

[small timber]

others I think are fine, exploding toads do need rework though

[drowsy plank]

why dont toads just explode on death anyway

[small timber]

it basically don't do anything, other than if you are true melee where you just cant kill it

[fossil finch]

also you can just

make the player have to go underwater

and provide tools for that to be viable if needed

[drowsy plank]

im pretty sure that was always the idea
and sulphskin potions and all the water traversal items can be obtained before the event

[small timber]

ye, though the current dilemma is just all the tools needed to dive the sulph sea is locked behind acid rain itself

is sulph skin potion obtainable before event? I only know the effigy can (but limited)

[drowsy plank]

not really
sulphskin potions just need urchin stingers and sulph sand, and the diving helmet, jelly necklace, and ice skates are all easy to get

[fossil finch]

its found on the chests i think

what are you on

sulphskin pots use scales

[small timber]

oh ok they changed it, used to require the tier 1 acid rain scale

(also that is a lot of sulph sand and stinger for a 2 min potion)

[drowsy plank]

ur not wrong

[fossil finch]

it is'

[drowsy plank]

mayhaps they should buff duration or lower material cost

[small timber]

they nerfed it down from 4 minutes, which I felt was a weird decision

[drowsy plank]

it is

they could buff it to create 15 of these potions or give it a 15 minute duration and i dont think anyone would give a shit

[crimson night]

I'm 95% sure you get like 26 of those in a chest

So God help you if you need to restock

[magic verge]

reworked sug

[drowsy plank]

this went from a suggestion i didn't like very much to something i completely agree with

hopefully it does well in voting

[fossil finch]

yeah i agree its better

[frosty trellis]

Holy heck yeah that acid rain t1 suggestion. That would really help make the acid rain event more fluid

Also, even with sulfurskin potions, that only reduces the damage of the acid waters by 50% doesn't remove it outright, so even if that got buffed the enemies need the rework to make it better regardless, since at that stage you don't have the best stuff to stay in the water for long

[magic verge]

word limit

there

[drowsy plank]

i mean even if this passes voting i doubt the devs would actually implement it
i thought this was going to be an actual suggestion on making the herrings more interesting than just

a swarm of fish that butcher everything in sight

not that i personally mind it's current form because it's actually like commanding a school of fish but this is

nothing

[crimson night]

@void sky I'd suggest something like "The abyssal fish flop around menacingly"

but yeah good idea

[small timber]

wait, so the suggestion is just change the herring staff's tooltip?

then that title probably should be reworded to that

(the current title imply "Rework Herring Staff to be more unique")

[void sky]

ooffers, imma change it to smth else to avoid confusion, sorry!

[proud quest]

W

im not asking for a rework but are the post dog moon events gonna get extra enemies besides jsut buffed ones

[small timber]

At some point in the future, soon™️, some day before year 2050, DoG will lose ties to the moon events (and I think) get its own unique event

So there is really like, no reason to add more enemies to the moon events if that will be their plan

[fossil finch]

buffed moons will die soon enough and be replaced with distortion,

[proud quest]

oh nice

also did the axe of purity upgrades get the cleansing ability?

or did the one suggestion get approved

[fossil finch]

neither

probably

[crude geode]

it hasn't been long enough yeah

this friday it happens tho

if it has enough votes

[drowsy plank]

i love how xpc has submitted a sugg to add the dodge chance to brain's upgrades with detailed explinations and it fails to pass but someone sends it as once sentence and it gets 200 stars

so cool

[fossil finch]

mucho texto

[novel belfry]

suggs should be brief and get straight to the point

[unborn oriole]

People hate reading because they forgot how

[novel belfry]

but if detailed suggs that are good continue to end up like this

[drowsy plank]

all it means is people cant be fucked to read reasoning or just are predisposed to disliking wordy suggestions. which makes no sense because every sugg has a title that summarizes the point of the sugg but whatever

[gray nebula]

Litterally uncodable Win

[fossil finch]

trolle

[swift wharf]

return of ChargeTestItem

[ruby plover]

for the demon scythe tracking sugg

don't like
all projectiles still aim at you in stealth?

[fossil finch]

yes

also what is the demon scythe gonna do

it's already shot and locked into you

it's just doing its slow down then speed up behavior

[hollow shell]

It is a symptom of the greater issue of
Terraria really did not put a lot of effort into giving enemies non-aggro'd behaviors

It exists for Fighter AI and Demon Eye AI and I think that's it

[hollow shell]

Ideally the Demons would not fire the scythes at all if you are stealth'd

much like when you're behind blocks

[fossil finch]

their sugg doesn't imply that happening though

it doesn't mention demons still firing them

[hollow shell]

🤔

I guess

[drowsy plank]

shouldnt draedon weapons keeping charge be flagged since. obviously people would want that (including the devs) but it causes character corruption or something right

[hollow shell]

@topaz falcon Do you want to elaborate more on what you mean by "track" and "target"?
Do you think they should still be firing out in, random directions? Or should the demons not be firing them at all?

[topaz falcon]

prob still fire them but not track

[hollow shell]

I think it's more a matter of we haven't found a solution that works yet

[hollow shell]

Again, what do you mean by "track"?

Would they just sit there and not accelerate? Would they accelerate at some random angle?

They're not homing projectiles

When they're fired they will only move in the same direction as the one they were fired at

Ok the suggestion's been edited

Sure that works

[drowsy plank]

you could just make them not fire projectiles
which i honestly feel like should be the intended stance when they physically cannot see you but
terraria be terraria

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message no way a sugg to make stealth stealthier

[small timber]

(my general approach is the title give a good idea of what the suggestion is about and reasoning is extensive but optional for people who want details, but people end up ignore it altogether thinking reading reasoning is needed)

But ya since doesnt seem to pinged...

@covert nova that one is straight up due to limitation in coding, so it is less the devs dont want to do it but more the devs cant do it

[drowsy plank]

a long time ago i think there were talks about merging some of the giant clam/amidias accessories since things like pendant are way weaker than pearl or spark

huh

was just looking at the wiki page for amidias

why does he sell the truffle worm just post-WoF, but the bloodworm only post-Duke?

[swift wharf]

bloodworm only spawns after polter

[glass arch]

no

[swift wharf]

I'm 99% sure the glitch has been fixed

[glass arch]

not listed as a bug in the wiki but i may be wrong

[royal tapir]

With Calamity's love for non-linearity, I would trust the wiki on this one

[swift wharf]

post ML, post Duke, virtually the same thing

but yes it is indeed quite funny

since boss summons are sold after beating the boss

[covert nova]

the candle one?

[swift wharf]

the charging one

[small timber]

Ya the draedon charge one, sorry for late response

[small timber]

Thise type of mechanic usually are for helping you with refarming the boss, and less helping wit refighting tbh

[drowsy plank]

i meant after old duke had been defeated, not like, post fishron. i thought it was useful that if you had amidias you didn't have to go digging around for truffle worms, much like how drunk princess sells prismatic lacewings, but you still have to hunt for bloodworms until you beat old duke. seems more like an oversight than intended, also, i dunno why they changed old duke to only be post polter, it's not like bloodworms spawning post-ML breaks much in terms of progression cause ur NOT fighting old duke (easily) unless you tier up your gear anyway. i get it if it was in like. hardmode or something tho

[drowsy plank]

the only problem i could see with this resprite request is that it might make the hitboxes for the monsters a bit hard to discern, like i think there's a reason they're massive red blobs

on the other hand, a much bigger issue is the leviathan conundrum where someone actually has to make this massive sprite

it would be nice, though

[gray nebula]

ok

what

what if

it wasnt a sprite

so no one gets hurt

what if, the visuals are a bit smaller than the hitbox so its fine and it gives players a bit of leeway

[crude geode]

I love touhou

[gray nebula]

wat if

[drowsy plank]

lmao i got owned

[gray nebula]

@sinful bone

[crude geode]

woah placeholder.mp4, the evolution to devplans.png

[sinful bone]

Woh

Are those the brimstone moons

[gray nebula]

yeah

[drowsy plank]

also i assume u mean the hitbox is smaller than the visual right
either way this fucks severely i cant wait to see it implemented

[gray nebula]

probably rena med

yeah thats what i meant

[drowsy plank]

nice

[gray nebula]

since its not a

litterall red circle

its just better to give a bit of leeway

tho its not like players are gonna like

be moving close to them usualy

[drowsy plank]

honestly the oversized visual might help me stop smacking into them as much

lol

[gray nebula]

i mean idk thats maye not the real size

they were made by blockaroz btw

not me

i just did the concept art

[sinful bone]

It looks really cool

[drowsy plank]

no i know i just meant it being bigger than the hitbox in general, no matter how it actually ends up being implemented

since it'll force me to play safer around them

[sinful bone]

Idk how hard it would be but my friend recommended that the amount of souls in the boss is how many times you died to scal

Ball*

[drowsy plank]

no

this is literally "what if we randomly reward no hitters and experienced players and make life a living hell for everyone else"

[sinful bone]

Its just a visual change

Nothing else

[drowsy plank]

oh lmfao i thought for a second you were asking for a scaling number of brimstone monsters

[sinful bone]

Oh no

That would be hell

[drowsy plank]

regardless that still... doesnt make a lot of sense. scal is a necromancer and those deaths are non-canon anyway

[sinful bone]

I have a hard enough time with it as is

[drowsy plank]

hence the dialogue changes in a recent update

[sinful bone]

True

[crude geode]

@queen nova fabstaff will likely not be changed and art attack is known to be weak

It will be buffed eventually™️

[queen nova]

Yeah I wasn't really hoping for a Fabstaff change

[grave zinc]

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add the "A glimpse into what will be..." tooltip to the Desert and Aquatic Scourge Relics]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[small timber]

that will probably make it very visually noisy

to certain degree with how much is going on in scal fight besides the brimstone monster (moons), I will prefer the moons to have like, a more simplistic design since it is effectively just an area denial rather than an attack that you actively have to dodge

[drowsy plank]

@blissful rapids that's not a suggestion + this is not a channel for bugs + multiplayer is not a priority

[small timber]

if "fix multiplayer bugs" is that easy they would had been fixed already

[drowsy plank]

^

[hot zephyr]

excellent suggestion quandale

we don't have those fixes but we do have spaghetti and meatballs if you ask nicely

[small timber]

also what kind of providence bug is even there, like, her holy inferno don't apply to other player?

because from what I know providence is more that the fight is obviously not designed for MP, but what for bugs?
lags/desync?

[blissful rapids]

she keeps despawning even though my friend is still alive + she is invisible and doesnt despawn when we both die, its just annoying

[small timber]

that is desyncing

by which the problem is likely rooted from tmodloader

[blissful rapids]

prob

thanks

[glass arch]

spaghet
can i please has some

[soft quest]

Wait xpc how and why did your suggestion about magiluminsence being added to statis belts get all of its reactions removed

I thought it had 100+

[hollow shell]

It does dw

Client-side Discord bug, sometimes reactions get fucked with

[soft quest]

Ah

I hope that makes it even though it doesn’t look like it

[grave zinc]

@soft quest - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[small timber]

(it has been reviewed and the devs decide one way or another it is best to not implement it)

[drowsy plank]

nice

my structure rework got in

[grave zinc]

@karmic light - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[drowsy plank]

lol figured

guessing this one passed cause it's just part of the already planned craigs rework

[distant gyro]

multiple craigs

[drowsy plank]

yeah i know ive seen the doc

just easier to say "craig rework" than to include the new places

can't wait for hell jungle tho
that's gonna be sick as hell

[frosty trellis]

Hell jungle?

[karmic light]

It's not a dupe suggestion according to the bot, so I'll take it as a W.

[frozen hornet]

mister shawn

(mist ocean)

[karmic light]

[drowsy plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225030931008847874/975829618475012106/unknown-4.png?width=350&height=473

hell trees means hell wood furniture

maybe even hell grass/dirt?? but that might be asking for too much, it'll prolly just be a blanket block like sulph sand or something

[karmic light]

Crimson Forest

But no cap, I'd definitely move my base there if there is actual mist spawning there.

[hot zephyr]

it reuses graveyard mist

pre-nerf ghosts spawn there

[drowsy plank]

[keen zodiac]

[small timber]

@balmy bough the reason "support class" dont exist is because calamity is, majorly, balanced for single player

[balmy bough]

i know

[small timber]

and suggesting for an entirely new class is a don't, let alone balancing

but ya tldr, more "support weapons" or "support armor/accessories" will probably be the closest you can achieve

(rather than an entirely new class)

[hollow shell]

Questionably phrased title

[balmy bough]

discussed this with mods yesterday morning and they said go ahead but ill edit the title

i just like healing 😄

[hollow shell]

That is better

Could be a bit more descriptive though
like "options for playing a support role" or "options for supporting other players in multiplayer"

[inner anvil]

I definetly agree that multiplayer accesories are very fun (A.K.A. Rampart of Deites and downgrades).

[balmy bough]

ye affliction goat

lol

[inner anvil]

And Affliction, of course.

[small timber]

I still dont know, does affliction share only the +1 life regen or its entire benefit?

[inner anvil]

All of it.

[hollow shell]

It would be nice to have some more multiplayer-based stuff in the mod yeah

[inner anvil]

Mhm.

[balmy bough]

love me some spectre :3

[small timber]

(though attack speed will probably not work since like, only melee scales with attack speed; other classes having attack speed increase will likely break something)

[hollow shell]

Also that's a better title thank you

[small timber]

just see what glove of recklessness could do

[balmy bough]

could be a melee spectre kinda thing

no reason it's just gotta be magic

[inner anvil]

If this makes you happier, next update there's something that fits this suggestion exactly.

Stay tuned.

[balmy bough]

it does very much so

[cobalt pewter]

multiplayer when

[balmy bough]

edge of my seat!

[cobalt pewter]

💥

(Terraria mp is as stable as me constructing a pyramid of cards on space)

[hollow shell]

(I actually don't know what that is, off the top of my head)

[inner anvil]

Do you want me to DM to you?

[hollow shell]

sure

[balmy bough]

we were having loads of issues on this server but we moved it off linux and its rock solid rn

[inner anvil]

No, not you.

I'm not allowed to tell you lmao.

[frozen hornet]

ooo you will dm me ooo

[inner anvil]

So false, so false.

[balmy bough]

no one have to know

lol

[swift wharf]

affliction becomes a darkest dungeon styled party accessory when

[inner anvil]

In 57 minutes.

[swift wharf]

[deft yew]

[dapper violet]

Yeeeeeeeeee X3

[main hatch]

omg this looks awesome

would quite literally end up my fav biome

[small timber]

@graceful nymph need more reasoning than just "more content = always better", which classes needed alcohol boost, why do they need more alcohol boost, etc etc...

currently the reasoning of the suggestion is insufficient

[graceful nymph]

what about train

[topaz falcon]

Train

[small timber]

one day before year 2099 maybe they will add train, maybe

[topaz falcon]

In my opinion my post was very specific on what it was about

[fossil finch]

suggestion jokesters when i bash their skull with a rusty pipe

[swift wharf]

we need a list of sugg baderators ngl

[topaz falcon]

i was not joking i want TRAIN

[frail mantle]

too bad

[short walrus]

calamity's vanities has a suggestion ban role

possibility to implement here? or would that be too much effort

[swift wharf]

that would ping all of them

[frail mantle]

it is possible to manually edit people's permissions i think

though i believe an admin is needed to do that

i know a few people have been banned from suggesting but i can't remember who

[short walrus]

huh

[distant gyro]

the suggestion god

[swift wharf]

<><><><>

[short walrus]

terror

[frail mantle]

not that person specifically

[frail mantle]

but yes

[drowsy plank]

how come no one ever mentions nebula armor when it comes to support armor

also idk what ur talking about mana polarizer is great lmao

[frail mantle]

people forget nebula armor affects other players in mp

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

[indigo heart]

Hi all,

Semi-rant. Can we please get a proper mechanic instead of Reactive DR? RDR literally punishes you for using Adrenaline Mode since you easily exceed the expected DPS rate. This is also abusable (and also feels shitty) by just sitting around doing nothing while a boss is in it's weakest phase to then burst it after some amount of time so that DR doesn't complete remove the effects of Rage + Adrenaline Modes.

I recently did this with Providence where I finally beat her by spending like 3 minutes dodging without attacking and then just opened up on her with R+A Modes. Suddenly, it actually felt like R+A actually did something.

The concept of RDR is perfectly fine, it's execution is IMO piss poor.

[neat linden]

RDR only exists on 2 bosses anyways

and in very specific cases as well

[short walrus]

malice is dying next update

no point

[golden tulip]

yea rdr was
basically removed

[neat linden]

that being
night/malice provi and day/malice empress

[grim tusk]

After extreme backlash

[short walrus]

both challenge bosses

[neat linden]

since malice is dying that becomes night provi and day empress

[neat linden]

^

[golden tulip]

on reddit.

[grim tusk]

Also rage can be used there to catch up if running defensive/mobility builds

And adrenaline provides dr

[neat linden]

we do not speak about calamity mod subreddit

[grim tusk]

RDR had backlash here too

[short walrus]

so yeah @indigo heart there's no point reworking RDR because it's already dead

[golden tulip]

didnt see it here as much personally byea if you say so

[indigo heart]

DR for the player is nice but besides the point.

[short walrus]

did you read literally anything else

[neat linden]

at that stage (with two upgrades) you can get 60% DR for one hit every 24 seconds if using stress pills
considering how much damage night provi deals, that 60% DR is very precious there

[indigo heart]

And I'm sad Malice isn't just tweaked. Enraged bosses don't feel like they're slacking like normal Terraria AI.

[grim tusk]

The strong reddit backlash (they went as far to impersonating Fab, creating alts and acting like assholes) was defensive item nerfs (which were necessary and now with the nerfed ones we are still having complaints that they are still busted)

[short walrus]

this has been explained extensively and the devs aren't changing their minds about it.

Malice Dies.

[grim tusk]

Malice was a waste of time

[neat linden]

if the old subreddit wasn't killed, i bet the malice removal would also be hated there insanely

[grim tusk]

If you want a hard challenge since death aint hard enough try Infernum, difficulty stacking, odd mushroom, nohitting or other shit

[indigo heart]

Mostly. I don't like a lot of it, I just want the more aggro boss AI. The rest can be deleted.

[frail mantle]

i love reddit i wish the color orange was real

[grim tusk]

Malice dying allows Fab and other devs to focus more on Death as well

And giving more polish

[neat linden]

Try master death ftw hc :trol:

[small timber]

night/malice/enraged providence specifically is meant to be a 'challenge boss', similar to vanilla daytime empress of ligth where it having the one shot capability is obviously not intended

[short walrus]

tempted to post the image

[small timber]

so ya, to that degree night providence having rdr do make sense since the mechanic is to make sure providence stay challenging no matter when you challenge her (by basically disable the ability to melt her with post-tier weapons)

[grim tusk]

Providence is the only boss to have 2 challenges related to her

The other is the PSC challenge (kill Providence with only profaned soul artifact as your dmg source) (that pretty much only Amber has done )

[small timber]

since after malice removal, you basically have to intentionally turn it on by activating the summon in night time (which the summon item even warn you) to get providence with rdr

[indigo heart]

I agree with this sentiment. However, as I outlined, the execution sucks. Why does an innate mechanic (R+Adr.) cause this system to kick in? Adr. rewards for not getting hit in a bullet hell.

[indigo heart]

Fair, I just want enraged AI.

[small timber]

if you mean adrenaline is overpowered, I am all up for killing adrenaline tbh

[drowsy plank]

what are you talking about

[grim tusk]

System also kicks in if you try to use something like nanoblack on Night Providence

[small timber]

but ya, just have to get every testers to agree adrenaline in its current stat is not fine, since if a suggestion to "nerf adrenaline" is made it will have like 30 votes

everyone loves their overpowered mechanic

[grim tusk]

Adrenaline’s dmg probably needs nerfs tbh

Defensive use needs buff

(Now that stress pills/crown abuse is dead)

[small timber]

defensive is actually a very fine buff, but ya just to quite comparable to the activate/offensive payout

[indigo heart]

Adrenaline should be reworked, not nerfed.

Make it not reset on getting hit. Instead, make it reduce by being damaged (make aggro stat reduce losses so that Tanks don't get shafted and Stealth is more balanced).

Nerf the damage rate and DR rate. Give flight speed and flight time instead (so you can keep up with the boss when ADR is on and not have it wasted).

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck?

[small timber]

maybe, but at the sametime it will just make rage v2.0

[indigo heart]

Just my way 2c thoughts.

[small timber]

it will just be a second damage boost that exist

[grim tusk]

First half: NO
Second half: more speed would be nice

[indigo heart]

Rage feels weird since it charges just by proximity.

[grim tusk]

More aggressive and risk taking player = more rage and dmg

[indigo heart]

Your gameplay has nothing to do with it.

[frail mantle]

rage used to charge on damage taken and about five people ever used it without chugging a potion from another mod that instantly filled the bar

[indigo heart]

This needs to be exasperbated so it's more noticeable.

[grim tusk]

Rage already makes you kill the boss way faster

[neat linden]

old rage was shit tbf

[small timber]

tbh if it is up to me I will rework adrenaline to give small damage boost but also a small heal based on missing hp, so basically it become a respite/comeback mechanic while if you are already performing well it is just small damage boost only

[grim tusk]

Heck you can get it more consistently with HoD or OSC

[grim tusk]

(Or waiting like 5 minutes with HoD or Draedon’s heart)

[drowsy plank]

lol

[small timber]

flight speed/flight time etc while sounds good, I feel might be a bit clunky in execution, like you activate adrenaline to gain temporary more flight at specific timing? doesn't seem too realistic due to strict timing required

[indigo heart]

So the way I see these mechanics is;

Rage tries to reward you for being continuously in combat and not dying (for multiplayer).

Adrenaline tries to reward you for having good positioning.

And I wrong?

[frail mantle]

you forgot the part where people aren't gonna wait because they want the game to be over as soon as possible

[drowsy plank]

what does multiplayer have to do with this

[grim tusk]

Seems about right (except rage is always, no matter sp or mp)

[grim tusk]

And thus chugging potion of darkness from a deprecated Nohit QoL mod or Alch NPC

[indigo heart]

Outside of MP, Rage is just a shit mechanic. All it does is end the boss fight faster with no gameplay addition other than periodic damage buff.

[small timber]

the problem with adrena is just I feel the payout is way too high for just having good positioning, that it become a "phase skip" activation

[drowsy plank]

rage doesnt even buff damage that much

adren is the bigger issue here

plus rage being usable in events is nice

[small timber]

rage is a sizable buff, 30/40%? for like 10+ seconds is great; just adrenaline is delete 30% of boss hp bar (more for pre-HM)

[grim tusk]

And thats what its supposed to do? End the boss faster if you play more aggressively (which by itself without rage already does, rage just incentivizes it and helps it)

[grim tusk]

Back when pre-boss meteor fist, charge adren and oneshot DS

[indigo heart]

My point about aggro and not losing the whole bar is because different classes have different levels of difficulty using adrenaline. Classes that try to pull aggro need more forgiveness and classes that avoid aggro don't need this forgiveness.

[small timber]

ya, rage charge down if you just try to run away all the time

[frosty trellis]

Rage has the problem with never filling in some boss fights

[neat linden]

isn't pre boss meteor fist technically still doable

[grim tusk]

Rogue and Ranger with rage are also extremely powerful

[indigo heart]

ADR: Imagine a mechanic that gives damage reduction most of the time to the class taking the least amount of aggro.

[small timber]

in the end the two bars are balanced for singleplayer (as that is like how the rest of the mods is balanced around), for that case there is really no difference in boss aggro level

for rage, you have to play close up to gain rage
for adrenaline, you just have to dodge (or run away, depend on the boss)

[frosty trellis]

Having it at 99% for 20+ seconds during the Yharon fight makes no sense

[grim tusk]

I think that when we fix rogue I also will want to address people running away to get stealth. Such as current spectral veil which makes you a burst dmg monster at cost of chaos state

[drowsy plank]

you have to kill a boss to get the meteor to fall so idk how

wait uh

hell chests

right

[neat linden]

well

gold chest near underworld

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[neat linden]

can have it

[drowsy plank]

that's so dumb

[indigo heart]

Then make rage proc at a lower distance. The boss can be almost off screen and is still charges Rage. Also, Rage doesn't feel like it rewards me for anything, it's just a passive charging timer.

Adrenaline, for all of it's faults, at least rewards you for proficiency.

[neat linden]

Can it also get renamed because it is absolutely not stealthy at all

[fossil finch]

shadow chests too and it's theoretically possible to access a golden dungeon chest if it spawns close enough to the surface you can evade dg for enough time

[grim tusk]

hopefully lmao

[grim tusk]

Rage charges faster the close you are to the boss

[small timber]

rage already charge down if you are not super close to boss no? as in you might not even keep rage up in scal fight which have an arena

[neat linden]

like stealth supernova
ah yes, silently throw what is more or less a nuke

[small timber]

in fact it is such a problem that people in nohit use heart of darkness/crown specifically to keep rage activate for specific phase

[indigo heart]

This may be true but it wasn't enough of a difference for me to notice it (I was playing tank [as ranger lol] when our tank was offline).

[grim tusk]

Focus would be a more fitting name

[grim tusk]

Try using shotguns without chlorophyte bullets and play aggressively as fuck

[drowsy plank]

all im hearing from leaf is some sort of ridiculously multiplayer skewed rework of rage/adren which is. not it. even if there were some good ideas in there aggro should not be part of this system

[frosty trellis]

I've never experienced it charge down in a boss fight, only stay at 99% for 20 or more seconds while fighting Yharon for no reason. Usually have to take damage to get rage

[indigo heart]

I'm doing a pure flamethrower playthrough, no bullets.

[grim tusk]

Angelic shotgun shreds polt when used in an agressive way