suggestions-discussion

[hollow shell]

Sorry that was rude

[fossil finch]

rover you cannot say that,.,.

[cobalt hound]

whos fabsol

:_

[golden tulip]

yoo fabsol slander ban him

[deft yew]

didn't expect that

[fossil finch]

how will the calamity dev enviroment stand healthy this way

[hollow shell]

Owns Calamity

[fossil finch]

anyways

fabsol is the owner of the mod and the creator and the dude who mades bosses

[drifting wing]

im telling

[cobalt hound]

wo

tell him to make them harder 😁

[golden tulip]

what is going on rn

[fossil finch]

anyways
there already is a non-readding don't but i think malice should be specified

[golden tulip]

lmfao

[cobalt hound]

is there a mod that enrages all bosses

[fossil finch]

idk

[golden tulip]

no

[deft yew]

i'll bet my rear some obscure fan makes one

[golden tulip]

blast on crack

[deft yew]

[fossil finch]

this is funnier because this suggestion technically doesn't break the readd don't
It breaks the future change don't
it breaks both

doesn't fargo hyper mode still exist

[cobalt hound]

does infernum have post ml bosses

it says on the info its just hm and pre hm

[fossil finch]

not yet

[cobalt hound]

wow

[hollow shell]

There probably will be a mod that makes all bosses enraged again- wait

[fossil finch]

i just realised something

[hollow shell]

You can just fight all the bosses in Death Mode

and

[fossil finch]

do you guys

[hollow shell]

meet their enrage conditions

[fossil finch]

do you guys kept the

yeah that

[golden tulip]

genius

[fossil finch]

did you guys kept the malice ai for the enrage

[neat linden]

Do death master for the worthy :trol:

[hollow shell]

Actually idk if that's true

[fossil finch]

it'd be legitimately so absurd

[neat linden]

Force all bosses to use boss rush AI (but not stats)

Boom

Malice

[cobalt hound]

that would be cool

[neat linden]

i think if anyone would do a "Readd malice"

[fossil finch]

who tells them

[neat linden]

that's exactly how it would work

[hollow shell]

Yeah that would likely be how the theoretical Malice revival mod would do it

[cobalt hound]

death mode is just too easy rn

id hope they add

[fossil finch]

ok

[cobalt hound]

a new challenge item

next update

[neat linden]

h

[hollow shell]

No

[cobalt hound]

if they're removing malice

[fossil finch]

they will not

[neat linden]

for the worthy exists

[fossil finch]

they will never add another challenge item

[neat linden]

and does add things to cal bosses

[hollow shell]

We are going to focus on making Death more interesting

[fossil finch]

cursed world where devs keep adding challenge items because "its to easy" keeps happening

[cobalt hound]

im doing malice master ftw nohit

[fossil finch]

can i say i hate tryhards

am i legally allowed to say i hate tryhards

[small timber]

Funnily enough, if people make an external mod that just use boss rush AI it will be literal unplayable

[hollow shell]

Ah yes the general public.

[cobalt hound]

iron heart was cool

[fossil finch]

it wasn't

[cobalt hound]

it was

[hollow shell]

It was ok

[small timber]

Since to my knowledge boss rush give like +1 or 2 enrage factor on top of malice, you literally need drew's wing for king slime

[fossil finch]

my statement is empirical backed by the fact i am the general public

[cobalt hound]

ok so

if you dont wanna use the harder challenge modes

then dont

??

[fossil finch]

that's not a good argument

[cobalt hound]

it is

if you dont like it dont use it

nobody is forcing you

[neat linden]

master malice for the worthy no armor no accessories no letter E no movement keys no jumping shroomed (but no shroom damage) maso mode

[cobalt hound]

some people do actually like it

[fossil finch]

it's not because

[hollow shell]

The problem with Malice is that it was intentionally hyper-cracked

[small timber]

Iron heart was interesting until people pretty much only use it to trigger necklace of vexation

[fossil finch]

devs aren't robots that can

fucking design and mantain all difficulty modes ever

[cobalt hound]

if defiled and ironheart were still in the game id use those

[neat linden]

"If you don't like it, don't use it" is pretty much ignoring the issue of malice being low quality

[hollow shell]

We got a lot of suggestions to nerf certain Malice bosses because they had unavoidable attacks or were otherwise too hard

[cobalt hound]

Some malice bosses have like

no change

like malice yharon and death yharon are the same boss in my eyes

[fossil finch]

this is very obviously an extreme hyperbole but if you don't like it, don't use it is like

if you don't wanna kill babies don't let us kill babies

[cobalt hound]

Except you are not affected whatsoever by malice being in the game

if you dont wanna use it dont use it and its not gonna affect you

[fossil finch]

the devs are

[hollow shell]

Yeah it's almost like Malice didnt have a lot of effort put into it because it was never supposed to be its own difficulty mode to begin with

[fossil finch]

because they get complaints

[neat linden]

it doesn't change the fact it's low quality

[small timber]

The devs are, because they have to maintain a mode that is designed to be bullshit

[terse sundial]

(malice had a decent amount of effort put into it)

[fossil finch]

new players are because they don't know it's low quality and will complain

[terse sundial]

we just gutted the mode a month after its existence

and it fell apart

[cobalt hound]

why didnt you just keep it as is

[small timber]

Ye, ever since legendary removal malice was like, in shambles

[cobalt hound]

even if it was too hard isnt that the point

[fossil finch]

because people complain

[hollow shell]

We won't leave something shitty in the mod just so people can difficulty-maxx with it

[neat linden]

devs remove low quality content

[fossil finch]

and devs don't want to deal with that shit

[neat linden]

see: 2.0.0.001

[fossil finch]

there's no reason for the devs to cater to you

[gray nebula]

Lo

Lo l

lmao

[neat linden]

lma o

[cobalt hound]

Who plays malice for the drops

i literally know nobody

that does that

[terse sundial]

(that was the only reason the mode existed to begin with)

[gray nebula]

(cue the people going "whats the point of malice without the exclusive drops!!!"

[neat linden]

on 1.5.0.1?

literally everyone

[swift wharf]

I stopped using the drops because of malice

[gray nebula]

(cute the fact it was made for the drops)

(cue the fact that all of my friends using malice was because they wanted the drops)

[cobalt hound]

even if it was made for drops who cares

its hard and fun

[hollow shell]

Because a very high amount of drops were locked behind Malice when it was first added, it was in fact its entire purpose

[swift wharf]

can we just like add malice to the dont doc or smth

[neat linden]

fun is subjective or something

[cobalt hound]

just get better 🤷‍♀️

[terse sundial]

[neat linden]

and most of the community that voices their opinion actually finds malice unfun

[hollow shell]

It already fulfills two Don'ts simultaneously to ask for it back

[fossil finch]

i think we should murder malice suggs at sight

[neat linden]

why keep a mode for a minority when the majority will complain

[swift wharf]

based

[neat linden]

malice on release was uh

[gray nebula]

(do not let this "hilariously" fool you, they found the fight not bueno)

[small timber]

Tldr is malice is not going to be readded

[neat linden]

uhhhhhhhh

[deft yew]

i did a malice run

i quit at hive mind

[small timber]

Just wait for someone to make an external mod that readd malice, if it is truly the 'true voice of community' to readd malice, it will happen

[deft yew]

and as all of you should know by now i normally love hive mind

[cobalt hound]

I dont understand why people care if its too hard

like

if its too hard for you

dont use it

[drifting wing]

bruh

[neat linden]

that's not the poi-

whatever

[cobalt hound]

Whats the point then

[hollow shell]

Killing the suggestions instantly won't stop the ensuing discussions where the juiced no-hitters call us an echo chamber for not conforming to their opinion

[neat linden]

that people don't find it fun and some bosses outright unfair

[cobalt hound]

THEN dont use it if its too hard for you

if its not fun

dont use it

??

[swift wharf]

that's literally not the point

[cobalt hound]

Then whats the point

[neat linden]

it's a low quality mode

[hollow shell]

It's that it would still be in the mod

[swift wharf]

have you even read the changelogs

[fossil finch]

the point is that it's not going to be readded

[gray nebula]

the problem is that

a lot of people are stubborn

[swift wharf]

the aerial bane

[hollow shell]

People would use it
And they would complain

[gray nebula]

and go "mh i will play the hardest mode!"

[hollow shell]

Even if it's not meant for them

[gray nebula]

and then they butt their heads agaisnt it and find it not fun

[cobalt hound]

so what you're saying is

your community

is full of brainlets

[gray nebula]

yeah

[cobalt hound]

I see

[gray nebula]

when calamity 1.4 dropped like

there were so many ppl going yeah lets go malice for the worthy master mode

cuz ppl just think theyre hot shit and MUST play with all the difficulties turned on to uh

idk prove themselves or whatever

[drifting wing]

i found it hilarious people ftw changes were unfair

[hollow shell]

Because we have developed this difficulty-maxxing mindset in our community after years of rewarding no-hitters

[neat linden]

a ton of community has the instinct of "Mh i must play all difficulties for them bragging rights"

[gray nebula]

the problem is when uh oh malice kinda oddge!

[hollow shell]

and adding several different difficulty modes

So everybody thinks that no-hitting is the way to go

which is

not ideal

[fossil finch]

i think we should do an universal reset of the calamity mod once the next update hits so everyone can be pretend that was the first version of calamity

[hollow shell]

@uncut epoch

[eternal escarp]

isnt the orange sugg already like

haplening

aswell as the rest of the fruits

[swift wharf]

yea probably

[uncut epoch]

oh my bad, I didn't see that

[swift wharf]

I will 100% go "where the fuck is orange fruit" when it happens tho

[neat linden]

i'll also ask, do devs have plans to implement the cal health colors for other player hp bar styles or

[eternal escarp]

i think a rename was decided for the blood orange specifically

[deft yew]

surely

[eternal escarp]

idk if its like, super decided and locked though

[hollow shell]

We did that!

[fossil finch]

people will not listen and will complain anyways

[neat linden]

and people kept complaining

[fossil finch]

they did exactly that

it's not worth keeping malice at all for a minority

it's just not worth it

[hollow shell]

It's in red!

[drifting wing]

no please, no more malice talk

[uncut epoch]

the tooltip literally said "don't expect to live"

[hollow shell]

Before that, it looked like this

[deft yew]

master a boss inside and out more like get lucky half the time

(DS)

(BoC)

[fossil finch]

they wont lmfao

[deft yew]

[small timber]

Funnilt enough, an infernum tester is here

[fossil finch]

Dom makes infernum and infernum literally doesn't work with malice

[hollow shell]

Why would they when their own changes have much more effort put into them

[neat linden]

master a boss inside and out

[swift wharf]

HAHAHA

[deft yew]

(no

[small timber]

And he can tell you all about infernum and malice

[neat linden]

ah yes

[deft yew]

i wish

[neat linden]

master RNG

[eternal escarp]

hi

[swift wharf]

lynel for tester

[fossil finch]

there is local

[swift wharf]

YOOO

[deft yew]

TRUE

[eternal escarp]

infernm tester here

[deft yew]

[fossil finch]

blast is an infernum tester

[deft yew]

oh wait dur

[fossil finch]

because dominic isn't

going to please you

[eternal escarp]

bo

[swift wharf]

I'm pretty sure infernum devs hate mourrice

[eternal escarp]

no

malice dies

we are happy

[swift wharf]

This sparks joy

[eternal escarp]

(now real talk)

[fossil finch]

infact in the infernum server they throw parties drinking the blood of malice players

what was the point

oh yeah malice bad won't come back

[swift wharf]

I can confirm

[neat linden]

reminds me of reddit complaining about the DR nerfs

remember that

[small timber]

Again

[swift wharf]

What the fuck

[eternal escarp]

we arent going to re add malice as we aswell, dont like what it became.
people who want malice will have to look for outside mods if they wish

it wont come from us

nor base cal

[fossil finch]

@hollow shell

[small timber]

.

[golden tulip]

eggheads

invite jareto

[swift wharf]

is that free nitro

[golden tulip]

br

[deft yew]

crap i hate this wifi

[cobalt hound]

@deft yew when you adding post ml to infernum

[swift wharf]

:AUUUGH:

[eternal escarp]

because its easier than keeping to care for the mode

[swift wharf]

Lmao

[eternal escarp]

lmao

[neat linden]

lmao

[swift wharf]

@deft yew hello john infernum

[eternal escarp]

he isnt a tester even

💀

[golden tulip]

when are you, Lynel?

[cobalt hound]

when is post ml being added TO infernum

[golden tulip]

we're waiting.

[neat linden]

hello Lynel Infernum, the main dev of Infernum

[swift wharf]

soon

[eternal escarp]

removing code takes

a second man

[swift wharf]

^

balls

[eternal escarp]

but it also brings

10000 people

complaining

[golden tulip]

bruh bruh

[eternal escarp]

which in the long ruj

[hollow shell]

Have patience
They're actually putting effort into their boss design

[eternal escarp]

wastes more time

[deft yew]

when overmorrow mod comes out i think

[eternal escarp]

also, to anseer the infenrum question

[swift wharf]

I need INFERNUM lynel

[golden tulip]

this convo is ridiculously stupid

[neat linden]

remove malice, people complain
keep malice, more people complain

solution: time travel to 1.4.5.7

[deft yew]

lancius boss (it has infernum ai too)

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

yes rover answered that well, we are doing it in short bursts as we do take our time to ensure the newer ais sre enjoyable and fair

[oblique geyser]

Provi, guards, dragonfolly are done

[neat linden]

tell Fab to not add malice (convince him)

[fossil finch]

tomorrow we can start the hunt for malice enjoyers
Bring nuclear weapo

[oblique geyser]

They are just waiting on the trailer

[golden tulip]

theyre not done

[deft yew]

new problem: time travel breaks everything

[swift wharf]

oh no not the 3 iron heart fans

[fossil finch]

it doesn't local

[eternal escarp]

no not really

we are also still testing

[fossil finch]

remember its multiple timelines

its not paradoxical that way

[neat linden]

if it's discontinued

[swift wharf]

I think the AIs are all done it just needs lots of testing

[neat linden]

and not supported

....why keep it?

[eternal escarp]

most AIs are indeed done but testing also takes a lot more time

[hollow shell]

Keeping it in the mod acts as an endorsement
We will not keep something in the mod and say "NEVER USE THIS ITEM. THIS SHOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME."

Because then
Why didn't we remove it from the game

[neat linden]

if it exist

[golden tulip]

90% of the time its more testing than dom programming

[deft yew]

scal and polter need more time in the oven

[neat linden]

it exists to be used

[eternal escarp]

i wouldnt want an unfinished boss in my game

[golden tulip]

he is very fast

[deft yew]

but get this

[oblique geyser]

Oh (my source was toasty)

[eternal escarp]

nor would i want an unfinished game mode

[deft yew]

the least finished infernum boss is weaver

[neat linden]

it's intended to be used

[deft yew]

dom LITERALLY FORGOR WEAVER EXISTED

[eternal escarp]

thats

a lie

[swift wharf]

I need to bribe dom into giving polter some gruesome eminence attacks

[eternal escarp]

storm weaver had its AI for a while

lo

[swift wharf]

malice BoC

[deft yew]

oh brh

[swift wharf]

[neat linden]

you

[eternal escarp]

he couldve forgot it after he made the AI but

lo

[neat linden]

how about the rest of the community

[deft yew]

so wait a minute

[swift wharf]

IT DOES SHUT UP

[neat linden]

anyways

[eternal escarp]

thats about

actual TEASERS of SW

the AI exists

[deft yew]

i figured

[swift wharf]

gruesome eminence is literally related to polter anyway

[hollow shell]

#suggestions-voting message
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[swift wharf]

oh neat I posted those

[eternal escarp]

i think iron heart was removed out of principal

that specifically im unsure of though

[swift wharf]

ok at this point I'm convinced that malice fans have 0 self respect

[neat linden]

did you literally not follow recent updates

where devs removed the low effort things

[fossil finch]

things are removed because they are low quality and it is worthless to keep them in

[eternal escarp]

but malice is definitely far from fine as is

[fossil finch]

who cares if removing them takes one more second

there's no reason to keep them, they go away

they just bring in complaints and bring down the quality of the mod by existing

[eternal escarp]

the fact people complained about malice in MP shows how annoying it was

[swift wharf]

clearly malice must exist so everything looks good in comparison

[neat linden]

i also played it

[deft yew]

see this is what i fail to understand with relogic

[unborn oriole]

Malice was masochist fest

[neat linden]

dear god it was broken

and pain inducing

[eternal escarp]

but anyhow

[deft yew]

leinfors actively does not think frost legion deserves to exist and yet he has reasons NOT to remove it?

[eternal escarp]

malice isnt staying because its low quality and had unfair moments

theres no worth in keeping it

[swift wharf]

what the fuck

?????

[eternal escarp]

and it wont be expanded

its much easier to simply remove it

[fossil finch]

developers have wanted to move away from difficulties because they just keep exactly this type of mentality where the only thing worth it is challenge
there is no reason to keep malice in, there is no reason to cater to the minority who likes malice when it's just a piece of content that wouldn't even be mantained
it's not worth it

[deft yew]

hold on

[fossil mural]

Someone post that "oh you play on malice death no wasd no weapons no armor no accessories blind backwards out of order no keyboard no monitor" meme

[hollow shell]

And here is the moment where I make it officially no longer allowed to talk about keeping Malice in the mod in this channel

[fossil mural]

I need that sent

[deft yew]

DO IT

[hollow shell]

We had a very similar conversation to this a few days ago

[deft yew]

[hollow shell]

And this will not be the last time either, if nothing is done about it

[eternal escarp]

likely because removing content from base game is a much larger issue, metaphorically

[fossil finch]

actually it wasn't for that i think

[neat linden]

provi randomly teleporting, stopping attacking, randomly gaining a ton of DR with no attacks or just outright despawning when i fought it in malice

mhm i see no issues either

[fossil finch]

like they acknowledged it had no point since frost moon was added

[swift wharf]

something something terraria code is like jenga

[neat linden]

aighty

[eternal escarp]

no i said metaphorically specifically, i dont think removing stuff from vanilla wopuld be that hard

(it might idk but i doubt)

[small timber]

The reason is two front imo:
Player

• minmax diffiuclty = people complaining about it is bullshit = complain about changing it, didnt get change = calamity garbage mod (see AEW)
• it either require playtesting or will have 0 playtesting, and is forever in unbalanced stat
• the entire difficulty is build on the fact that its basis is entirely bullshit; if you make bosses have double movement speed and no idle time of course they are hard

Devs

• devs have to deal with much more complain with malice continue existing and be unbalanced, than people complain about its removal
• the mode's main purpose is removed because of community complaint in the first place, that certainly demotivate putting effort on it
• require maintenance (since it is based on Dmode AI) and divide effort from making other modes better
• if people want it that badly people will just add it by making their own mod, why keep a low quality content in the mod

Tldr remove malice so death mode can finally be made better (than being forced to be the 'middleground' between Rev/Malice)

[unborn oriole]

If you say you like malice mode, it is because you are either

• A very skilled player that finished a Bullet hell game without dying once
• Lying
• Failing to see every reason why malice is broken
• Saying the truth and you actually liked malice (idk why or how)

[fossil finch]

but i wouldn't be surprised if they don't want to remove it because it's just harmless and has santa

[small timber]

(fuck that is too long sry)

[swift wharf]

good npc gated behind bad event

fucked up fr

[neat linden]

Hello do you have time to test one (1) weapon

[eternal escarp]

which

[neat linden]

the one i had on mind was Genisis

[eternal escarp]

depending on the weapon i will decide

[swift wharf]

didn't genisis get a rework?

[eternal escarp]

genesis is the wingman upgrade post ml right

[swift wharf]

or was it wingman

[neat linden]

well no

[eternal escarp]

oh it is genisis

lo

[neat linden]

genisis combines with wingman post DoG

it's one of the lmg upgrades

[eternal escarp]

?

[neat linden]

yeah this

[small timber]

I think a dev did mention genesis is in the state of being a weapon in calamity because they want to rework it soon™️

[neat linden]

possibly

[frosty trellis]

I wouldn't mind it getting reworked, bc imo as it stands, imo ele ray and Nuclear Fury are all you need until Phantasmal Fury

[eternal escarp]

wingman was listed as reworked in changelogs a while ago but was removed so i dont think that is coming soon

unless im just clueless

[neat linden]

last time i used it, it felt quite weak

[frosty trellis]

Bc they are so damn strong

[eternal escarp]

(which is possible)

[neat linden]

for me it's more of a ~40fps but it is quite laggy

still not as laggy as current DoG laser walls

[fossil finch]

nuclear fury does not reduce my fps

get trolled

[fossil mural]

:agony:

[neat linden]

on 1.5.1 and before i got fairly minor lags from laser walls

[fossil mural]

Dang I don't have nitro anymore

[neat linden]

it was aight

[frosty trellis]

Nuclear Fury is quite good against Folly, prof guardians, guardians phase of prov, storm weaver, and ceaselus void, while ele ray handles everything else just fine until post polter, where you get phantasmal fury for cheap and then there is your DoG weapon

[fossil mural]

Cringe...

[neat linden]

but 2.0?

2-5 fps

[fossil finch]

uh those are

surely

you know what is a viable weapon

ultra liquidator

[neat linden]

liq is viable actually afaik

[fossil finch]

actually used it more than nuclear fury

[deft yew]

ok sorry that took me a year but #928391069681471538 message

[frosty trellis]

I thought liquidator was post prov?

[fossil finch]

it's not

[frosty trellis]

Oh

Huh

[eternal escarp]

eclipse isnt IN That server, lynel

[frosty trellis]

Must of missed it bc ele ray

[fossil finch]

you do not have access to this lin

[deft yew]

i realize that

[fossil finch]

ele ray actually kind of performed worse

[fossil finch]

depends on the boss

[swift wharf]

bruh

[deft yew]

is there any reason not to remove it

[golden tulip]

frost legion is the little stupid snowmen right

[fossil mural]

Doesn't frost legion only exist because terraria used to not have snow

[fossil finch]

like for provi i think ele ray did not perform very well

[fossil mural]

And they wanted old worlds to get snow

[neat linden]

huh

[eternal escarp]

i think here its talking about how its so small size wise removing it doesnt help the size reduction

[frosty trellis]

I used Ele ray as my main DPS weapon for Polter, Prov and Signus and it performed just fine.

[fossil finch]

compared to liquidator at least

[eternal escarp]

rather then him being unopposed to remove it

byea

[neat linden]

for me ele ray shredded provi quite like paper

[fossil finch]

idk its just that they are all viable

that simple

truly mage is goated

[neat linden]

true true

[frosty trellis]

What in the heck are you on

[neat linden]

But is genisis viab-

[frosty trellis]

Ele ray shreds prov

[fossil finch]

i recall using it on guardians

[frosty trellis]

I prefer nuclear Fury against guardians

[fossil finch]

but i felt ultraliquidator did more damage

[small timber]

Genisis is weaker than terra ray iirc

[fossil finch]

idk it also lags my game because the electricity attack is stupid

[neat linden]

[fossil finch]

i used both

[small timber]

Terra ray as in the post-planetera downgrade of ele ray

[fossil finch]

i usually use multiple weapons per boss

[neat linden]

wasn't rouge slash also pre ml-ish in terms of dps

[frosty trellis]

Depends on the boss I'm fighting for me if I want to use multiple or not

And the class

[fossil finch]

who the fuck uses rogue slash to know that

[eternal escarp]

rouge*

[frosty trellis]

[fossil finch]

my ass slash

[eternal escarp]

the one time it feels off to fix the typo

[hollow shell]

Do not make any suggestions about keeping/re-adding Malice Mode in Calamity, and do not attempt to defend Malice Mode in this channel either.

The arguments are completely circular and neither side (for or against its removal) is able to convince the other of their opinion.
The devs made their decision, they had many reasons for making this decision, and they will not be going back on their decision. See #changelogs: #changelogs message

For those who do not want Malice to be removed, please seek out your desired difficulty elsewhere. Use other mods or create self-imposed challenges instead.

[hollow shell]

Ok there

Took me a second

[eternal escarp]

sorry to step over this but
if only more people read the pins

[fossil finch]

anyways yeah slash needs a fucking

[neat linden]

thanks Rover

[fossil finch]

slash needs

a buff

it's a weapon some people get like

[eternal escarp]

according to merk which tested it lately after i brought it up
its allegedly balanced

[fossil finch]

post provi

[frosty trellis]

Probably a good idea to put it in the Doc as well

[fossil finch]

whenever someone makes a sugg just ping them and tell them to check pins and leave it there
for the record

[frosty trellis]

As an example of adding back old content as a no

[hollow shell]

Already on it

[frosty trellis]

Nice!

[fossil mural]

If only people read the doc ever

[fossil finch]

.

[neat linden]

true :hdflr:

[fossil mural]

Suggestions posting was like 20 exclams in a row a few days ago

[frosty trellis]

Oh for sure

[frosty trellis]

Must of missed that day lmao

[deft yew]

you know full well people are going to get shut up when they suggest malice readdition and frame it as oppression

[fossil finch]

there were 17

i counted them

17 and 5 the next day

it was amazing

[frosty trellis]

Wow

That's crazy

Remember what any of them were about?

[fossil finch]

no

[frosty trellis]

Fair

[deft yew]

something something uhh

[fossil mural]

They were mostly SISs and unexplained suggestions

[eternal escarp]

in reality though

[deft yew]

the #suggestions-posting message

[fossil finch]

anyways you know what needs a buff

[deft yew]

[fossil finch]

me

[eternal escarp]

atleast we can just refer to pins and hopefully the amount of malice convos lessen

so yeah, thanks rover

[fossil mural]

I read that a little bit ago and laughed

"remove contact damage from most things"

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[fossil mural]

And wanted to GIVE contact damage to providence

[frosty trellis]

I was in that argument yesterday about it

[fossil mural]

Luh mao

[fossil finch]

i mean they are not wrong at all

but like

[neat linden]

Can i also point this out

[fossil finch]

massive effort!

lol!

[frosty trellis]

Which is like, no, that's a terrible idea

[deft yew]

"bullet hell is the best thing to ever happen to terraria"
do you realize how many people hate scal because terraria movement is bad?

[frosty trellis]

I hate SCal bc I suck at her bullet hells

[fossil finch]

they are right in saying that like

[frosty trellis]

I suck as them in general

[deft yew]

tbh

[fossil finch]

universal contact damage is bad game design

but like

doing actual attacks for enemies and everything

[fossil mural]

Clam tea half breaks for a week and discord users go braindead

[fossil finch]

would be a massive effort that calamity isn't really gonna do

[deft yew]

if i have anything against scal, it's the fact you spend maybe 10 percent of the fight actually attacking her

[frosty trellis]

I mean, I also feel like 5 bullet hells is excessive and makes the fights repetitive and not fun after a bit

[deft yew]

the other 90 is spent invincible or with servants present

[small timber]

To my knowledge the most complain I heard was end game Calamity is every boss bullet hell

[fossil mural]

For me scal ranges from a fun fight to awful, depending on how decent I am at BHs on that given day

[frosty trellis]

SCals are the only one I find excessive

[fossil mural]

I think I still prefer scal to exo mechs

[frosty trellis]

All other bosses are fine with theirs imo

Exos are easy enough

[fossil mural]

I don't think exo mechs are a fun fight

I struggle with them way more than scal lol

[fossil finch]

i will now use this moment to plug dd because it's a mod that actually has the kind of scope to rework every enemy to obliterate Universal Contact Damage

[deft yew]

ares and artemis good
apollo and thanatos bad

shrimple

[frosty trellis]

Thanatos is fine

[small timber]

I find scal fine, but it have some frustrating part that will probably never get fixed since it exist for so long

[deft yew]

dormant dawn?

[fossil finch]

no

dissonant duality

[deft yew]

oh lo

[fossil mural]

I just think the exo mechs fight has too much going on and things aren't "distinct" like they are with scals BHs

[fossil finch]

this is not the place so if you want i will
plug in your dms
🛒

[frosty trellis]

I find 5 bullet hells excessive and uninteresting

[fossil finch]

i don't

[small timber]

Part like how you just have to know where the bullet of each BH come from or you just get hit as soon as BH starts (like moving down when BH2 start, up when BH3 starts, things like that)

[fossil finch]

this is truly a calamity

[fossil mural]

So many DD games. I thought you meant darkest dungeon at first

Dormant dawn darkest dungeon dissonant duality

[fossil finch]

i can also plug in your dms (if you allow me
i am a SHILL but i am an educated one

professionals murder people in cold blood or whatever the hip kids say

[small timber]

Those are the most exceptional problem I found yet the feedback I get is always "you just have to learn the boss and get good, fight knowledge"

[frosty trellis]

Endgame shouldn't need to feel like I'm repeating the same thing 4 times in a fight because there is no other way to act in the fight or I am just dead

[fossil finch]

i think you are just dead

[frosty trellis]

I am fine with a boss having a bullet hell

[deft yew]

defense damage

[frosty trellis]

Hell, Calclone is my favorite fight in the mod, and she has two bullet hells

[fossil mural]

I think scals BHs are fine and they mix them up after what, 3? Of them and add the moons in

[small timber]

5 Bhs will probably never change though, since even the music is designed for it

[frosty trellis]

But 2 bullet hells make the fight more interesting, instead of 5 which just feels excessive, especially with the limited mobility of the box you are placed in

[fossil finch]

i mean it's not exactly wrong feedback

[frosty trellis]

Not saying it should be, just saying it feels excessive

[fossil mural]

And the final BH is like a last stand

[small timber]

The only BH i feel is lacking is BH2, but again it is meant to be introductary

[fossil finch]

its a very subjective and complicated matter i feel

[deft yew]

you could cut it down to 3

[small timber]

Imo it is just a really bad way to brush over any criticism on unfair attacks

[fossil finch]

but is it unfair? or are you just doing something wrong?

see the problem

[deft yew]

mine is just all forms of pattern overlap i think

[frosty trellis]

Some distinction on how you should be moving and acting in each bullet hell that doesn't feel very similar to each other (BH1-2-3 feels very similar in movement to BH4-5, which gets boring and repetitive fast)

[deft yew]

sep, moons, seekers

[frosty trellis]

Would be nice

[deft yew]

sep needs changes either way tro

[small timber]

It is definitely unfair, because no design should be "you just have to know it" with no indicator

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[deft yew]

running during a bh is fun until you have to move up

in which case

[fossil finch]

but its not really that
Because you can perfectly dodge those attacks without "knowing" it

[deft yew]

your life is in the hands of RNG

[fossil mural]

I think scals BHs are better than calclones

[small timber]

getting hit by a projectile instantly just because you move down as soon as BH2 start is like, not ideal

You can fix it by not doing it, but not change the fact that it is unfair

[fossil mural]

I don't like calclones BHs they have this weird like acceleration

[frosty trellis]

I think what would be nice is to have each bullet hell make you do some different form of movement for each as a distinction from eachother, instead of just doing the same thing 5 times

[frosty trellis]

Since you can just circle around in each bullet hell except the last few seconds of BH1

[deft yew]

clone bhs need 1) nerfs and 2) nerfs

[still zodiac]

Calclone is kinda hindered by the fact that there's no arena limit, so the hellblasts have to accelerate weirdly

[deft yew]

(the acceleration and the fireblasts)

[small timber]

It can instantaneously hit you in many case

[still zodiac]

And you just kinda have to run left or right

[fossil finch]

ive never really had that happen

[fossil mural]

Calclones BHs are very fast and compact for the amount of mobility you have at that stage

[still zodiac]

And just jump/fall

[fossil finch]

and im not the kind to do dodging techniques i just dodge

[deft yew]

ngl i think the kind of change clone deserves is making it more similar to scal

like

[frosty trellis]

I mean

[deft yew]

the fireballs should create circles of darts

[fossil mural]

Scal but the box is bigger

[deft yew]

it should lock to your side harder during hellblasts

etc.

[fossil mural]

And there's 2 BHs, 1 mini heart phase

[frosty trellis]

I don't really have much of a problem with Calclones bullet hells

[fossil mural]

Last bullet hell has 1 mini moon

[still zodiac]

Mayhaps

[fossil finch]

anyways this discussion is both not here and im not even sure what the point is

i would hold off from suggesting boss related stuff rn because afaik fab is on break

[still zodiac]

Bullet hell bad go play stardew valley iirc

[frosty trellis]

There's a really simple trick or either staying in place and move slightly when necessary, or fly up diag, then fall down diag, and it works fairly well for me

[frosty trellis]

Wasn't rly going to rn

But once things get back on gear I will probably suggest the bhs in SCal to be more standout from eachother rather than a repetitive chore

[drowsy plank]

yall been busy
glad to see the most recent rule change tho, long time coming

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[deft yew]

anyway skyfin sugg :pleadi

does it look half decent

[fossil finch]

skyfins

i will now ignore existence and play mc

[frosty trellis]

I'm trying to remember what skyfins are ngl

[deft yew]

the flying fish from acid rain

that charge incessantly

[frosty trellis]

Oh those thing

Yeah, a slower charge for them would be nice

Since they are a t1 enemy

That has a small hit box

[drowsy plank]

those are hilarious i did pre-WoF AS and the Skyfins were honestly killing me more often than anything from T2 was

[deft yew]

especially if one's active and you're trying to go to the abyss

[fossil mural]

Everyone always tries pre hardmode AS but nobody ever tries pre hardmode leviathan and anahita 😔

[still zodiac]

The sugg sounds fine i'd say

[deft yew]

because AS can be shredded

levana cannot and levi is infuriating

[small timber]

Just make skyfin accelerate is enough I think

Start off slow and ramp up in speed so you have the chance to hit it; I dont mind them having high top speed

[fossil mural]

That's fair, AS is a certified worm boss

[frosty trellis]

Difference between a work that can be piercing cheesed and doesn't require too much mobility with pre mech stats vs a pair of bosses with post plant stats that need good movement and play very differently

[deft yew]

also the aberrations

[small timber]

There is also no good weapon for analev (one is massive tonk, another is small agile hitbox), you can use tracking disk maybe and thats it

[deft yew]

(need i say more

[drowsy plank]

oh i mean i was considering it but i was also playing with other people at the time so i did it more out of boredom waiting for them to be avaliable to join, not to mention waiting for ??? to spawn at that point is obnoxious lmao, esp when you're gonna die a LOT

you could prolly jump god it tho, i know there's like one vid of someone out there doing it with items from AS

[proud quest]

is squirrel squire staff ever gonna get fixed

its ai is kinda broken

[hollow shell]

Elaborate

[proud quest]

like whenever i spawn the squirrel it just stays in place or rarely follows me around

so i have to keep respawning it over and over

[hollow shell]

It's a sentry.

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Squirrel_Squire_Staff

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Minions#Sentry_Summons

(in the past it was a minion, but it has since been reworked into a sentry)

[proud quest]

oh

why

[unborn oriole]

Its ai was so bullcrap devs got tired of trying to fix it so they instead made it a sentry

[hollow shell]

Not sure of the primary reason but I know it had infamously strange movement AI for a long time
And also, Finch Staff exists now, which is a minion on the same tier with a similar theme

So making it a sentry would allow for some differentiation

[proud quest]

lmao

i understand

[unborn oriole]

And yeah finch staff exists now

An even more bullshit minion

[proud quest]

but not all worlds get a big tree

which kinda sucks

[unborn oriole]

But hey

It's vanilla!

[hollow shell]

I think we added a Finch Staff recipe

[proud quest]

wait how do people get the sanguine staff

[proud quest]

oh alright

[unborn oriole]

Drop from Dreadnautilus

[glass arch]

they fight the dreadnautilus

[proud quest]

sanguine staff looks so fun but im afraid its only good for pre hardmode

[unborn oriole]

???

[inner anvil]

It's not.

[unborn oriole]

Its hardmode?

[hollow shell]

Sanguine Staff is a Hardmode item.

[unborn oriole]

And its not bad

[proud quest]

oh

[unborn oriole]

It can carry you to plantera

[proud quest]

shii

[unborn oriole]

But there are better minions

[inner anvil]

Mounter Scanner.

[unborn oriole]

Vanilla summoners have such tiny brain that they use a pre mech minion all the way to post golem

[glass arch]

i believe it one of the most accurate vanilla summons

[inner anvil]

Well, can you blame them? They're OP weapons.

[unborn oriole]

I mean, yeah, its very good

[proud quest]

omg i forgot about how op mounter scanner was

did they nerf it

[unborn oriole]

But not THAT good to use it yill post Golem

[inner anvil]

Not yet.

[glass arch]

you get to post golem you just gotta go for terraprisma

[proud quest]

does it need a nerf or something

[inner anvil]

Of course.

[unborn oriole]

EoL is post plantera

[proud quest]

damn

scanner was actually super fun to use tbh

satisfying as hell

[glass arch]

no pretty sure prismatic lacewings only spawn post golem

[unborn oriole]

No

They spawn after plantera

Post WOF if we talk about the mod

[glass arch]

well then

[unborn oriole]

People only say its post golem cuz its "hard"

[glass arch]

i always though it was post golem

[unborn oriole]

(spoiler its not hard)

I always went for EoL in post plantera

Got the Kaleidoscope

[glass arch]

daytime eol

[unborn oriole]

And then went for Daytime for Terraprisma

[unborn oriole]

Easy too

You only need to memorize the pattern

And get good

[proud quest]

I cant see it in the recipe browser

[glass arch]

the way someone i know put it, just go for daytime eol asap because everything else is gonna pretty much be killing you in one shot so just send it

[unborn oriole]

What???

No?

Even with summoner

Nightime deals like 200~ damage

Yes, it is still challenging

But not unfair?

[hollow shell]

Yeah sorry it's in the upcoming update

[glass arch]

i never said that, im just saying what he said

[proud quest]

alright

[unborn oriole]

Tell your friend to git gud

[glass arch]

he is good

much better than i am

[unborn oriole]

Tell him to do nightime

Nightime should always be fought before daytime

Daytime only gives Terraprisma

[inner anvil]

Not in Calamity.

[unborn oriole]

Yeah, but i'm talking about vanilla

[inner anvil]

Ah, okay, oops.

[unborn oriole]

Eol is NOT only a nohit

[proud quest]

sun spirit or wulfrum drone

[unborn oriole]

And daytime is not the only way to fight her

[unborn oriole]

Frost blossom

[proud quest]

ok

[unborn oriole]

• Belladona Spirits (my beloved)

[inner anvil]

God, can't wait to nerf those things, I mean, what?

[proud quest]

i fucking hate the jungle tho

[unborn oriole]

Get frost blossom, use with wulfrum, get jungle materials, the craft belladona spirits

[unborn oriole]

[inner anvil]

Get real.

[unborn oriole]

[proud quest]

😉

sure

[unborn oriole]

Good job

Now commit tax evasion so you have money to make it Ruthless

[proud quest]

i dont have goblin

[unborn oriole]

Then get one

[proud quest]

bro no i cant

[drowsy plank]

just go stand by the ocean for 15 minutes you'll get enough cloth for a battle standard, assuming you have an ocean pylon

[unborn oriole]

You can

[sand ermine]

@halcyon coral barely any reasoning and wrong format

also its sorta known multiplayer can be broken at times?

[sand umbra]

or reset their charge if they take knockback

forgive me if I'm stupid, but don't Skyfins already stop their charge prematurely if they take a hit with KB of any kind

[hot zephyr]

you can just bonk them

[sand umbra]

in all my recent playthroughs, I've never found Skyfins to be as oppressive as this sugg about them makes them out to be

just. hit them with something as they charge. this is already a thing. please actually play the video game

[hollow shell]

I also did not notice any weird behavior from Skyfins during Acid Rain
In fact I barely noticed them at all

[hollow shell]

(Implying that we would be unable to make Deerclops despawn if we wanted to)

(Which uhh, we'd probably be able to do that. Unforeseen issues aside, it shouldn't be hard)

[swift wharf]

They'll be added eventually

when the boss difficulty/enjoyment poll happens

[hollow shell]

Kinda funny that the Exo Mechs haven't been added yet though, it's been a while

[swift wharf]

[hollow shell]

I didn't know if we were waiting for a poll or not

I figured we'd just slap them in Tier 5 somewhere

[dapper violet]

Ignores immunity frames

[dapper violet]

I'm a vanilla player, and I find it offensive

[proper girder]

sanguine has very good ai though

[dapper violet]

Grind EoW or BoC for easy cash and reforge it to a damage modifier

[swift wharf]

gl grinding evil bosses with 100 hp

[dapper violet]

They drop a ton of loot
Smell the ores into bars and sell them for easy gold

[hollow shell]

[sniff]

[dapper violet]

Don't touch please

[swift wharf]

what I mean is that their character looks brand new

like just opened the starter bag

[dapper violet]

Oh

[swift wharf]

but anyways suggestions

[kindred creek]

That’s like his gimmick tho and getting rid of it would feel wrong.

[hollow shell]

That's no reason to exclude him from the Boss Rush

You coulda said the same about WoF pre-1.4

[sand ermine]

What I am confused about is how the Exo Mechs would be summoned in Boss Rush

would the ui for your choice just pop up? or

[hollow shell]

We'll deal with that when we get there

[sand ermine]

alr

[swift wharf]

skip to the phase with the 3 of them

simple

[drowsy plank]

i would have no argument with removing it whatsoever. his gimmick is forcing the player to get up close to his face. he's like ravager but bad. (not that ravager is good but)

[random pasture]

Sure it is his gimmick although

The whole not despawning part does make him even more laughably easy

Since there is basically 0 penalty for death besides you have to walk back to the tundra

[hollow shell]

It's like an event/invasion, but in boss form

[random pasture]

Yeah

I will say, there probably should be a rework to how adrenaline works in the deerclops fight

Because uh

[hollow shell]

It builds even when you're nowhere near him?

[random pasture]

You shouldn't be awarded 200% damage for dying in a boss fight or just walking away for 30 seconds

Yes

It builds the second you spawn lol

[hollow shell]

Right, we did something similar for WoF, where you had to be in the underworld

@winged fiber You cannot suggest to re-add removed content, and you cannot suggest to add new bosses.

See the Don'ts Doc in pins

[winged fiber]

I wasn't technically suggesting new bosses but I missed the part of "no re-adding removed content", my bad bro

[drowsy plank]

istg if it was a astrageldon slime or bumblebird sugg then yes it would basically be a new boss

also just play catalyst mod lmao

[hollow shell]

(it was the 'Future Bosses')

[drowsy plank]

oh lmfao

that's even worse why would you want that

honestly having like... idk the flames from rancor or something as a purely visual effect on the side the bullets are coming from during each BH probably wouldn't be a bad idea

[small timber]

ya, though I dont think I should go too specific, since devs can come out with more creative idea than just screen border lighting

[hollow shell]

It would be nice to have a half-second of delay between you getting SCal to the HP threshold and the BH actually starting
And we could have a big glow emanate from the edges of the screen that Hellblasts will be coming from

[small timber]

ye, that would be ideal

[frosty trellis]

That latter bit would be SO NICE

[frozen hornet]

Giant portals from hell

[lucid flare]

maybe you guys should change it so adrenaline only builds when you're being affected by the boss effects buff

[cobalt pewter]

making adren charge when boss effects are active should be nice

probably not much futureproofing in general but who knows maybe Yharim will yeet one player to another dimension while others are busy vibing

[drowsy plank]

yharim final smashes you and it temporarily takes you out of reality

[unborn oriole]

Bullshit due to AI

[unborn oriole]

There's always an exception

[unborn oriole]

True

[grim tusk]

Only some of the 1.4 and 1.3 minions have actual competent ai (range can sometimes be a problem tho)
Most vanilla minions have shit ai

[grim tusk]

Soo true, sanguine/blade til you get maybe Ravens or Xeno. Although other summons can work on Golem or Plant due to how slow they are (and vanilla golem being a joke)

Such as optic being decent on plant due to how slow she is

Or Pygmies on Golem (that acid venom buff helped em a fuckton and so did whips to increase their bad dmg)

[dapper violet]

How tho :p

[grim tusk]

Basically 1.2 minions, most 1.3 ones, finch and vampire frogs have horrible iframe jank and ai, barely hit anything and usually dont hit much

Minions were meta either based on reliability or simply having absurd dps

Optic staff on paper has insane dps potential but due to iframe fuckery with each minion they barely even hit, not to mention terrible aggro range and aim

Cal mitigates optic staff’s iframe fuckery thankfully

Also look at vampire frogs: if you have more than 3 the dps and minion slot gets wasted. Most grounded minions also suffer due to this

Since only 3 can hit due to iframe fuckery

Theres also tempest staff, also huge dps on still targets but if something moves it misses 90% of the time and it also has horrible aggro range and spends most of the time trying to catch up to the player rather than attacking

Stardust Dragon was meta due to insane dps and being quite good on ML, but if you wanted something to actually protect you during events, building or fishing you wanted cells due to dragon usually going offscreen and being overwhelmed

Cells were also not slouchs on dps either

[dapper violet]

Whips usually help with the ordeal tho :P

[grim tusk]

They are a bandaid fix for the non competent minions

And with the competent ones they are batshit insane

[dapper violet]

And is a good way of protecting yourself

||Why do we have to complain about miniscule things that vanilla players don't care about||

[grim tusk]

Because vanilla players only focus on the good stuff and dont see the big picture and the mistakes

I have rarely ever seen people mention summons such as optic or tempest, and if they are its usually how godawful they are

Pygmies are only noted for witch doctor selling tiki

[safe oasis]

excuse you optic is a neat idea

[grim tusk]

It is an amazing concept ruined by iframe fuckery, horrible aim, ai and aggro

[swift wharf]

does cal clone optic staff suffer from that too

[safe oasis]

did cal even touch optic staff at all

[dapper violet]

Now you're just whining

[grim tusk]

Cal’s optic staff suffers less from iframe fuckery but still has the rest of the problems

[swift wharf]

I mean the one dropped from clone

[inner anvil]

?

Horrible take.

[safe oasis]

oh i forgot that existed lma

[swift wharf]

entropy's vigil

[grim tusk]

Vigil actually is competent due to the aggro range not being piss, only the flamethrower one has some iframe stuff (but that keeps it from being viable til polterghast)

[swift wharf]

Oh I see

that's neat

how about sand sharknado staff

[inner anvil]

He's really not, it's the reality.

[grim tusk]

Tempest staff but good

It fixes the problems tempest has but loses potential dmg since otherwise it would be broken

[swift wharf]

[safe oasis]

can we just copy entropy vigil ai into optic staff please and thank you 🙏

[inner anvil]

We probably can just do that, yeah.

[dapper violet]

The game has flaws, but most are easily looked over

[safe oasis]

looking over the flaws destroys the whole point of looking for said flaws to fix them

[swift wharf]

And then we fix the flaws

[inner anvil]

For you and the community are easily looked over.

We won't allow to just have weapon that is potentially useless.

[dapper violet]

But there's nothing wrong with fixing them

[drowsy plank]

why are you even saying this, it still changes nothing everyone else has been saying, if you're talking here, it's explicitly for addressing the little issues and fixing them, that's like the whole reason this channel exists lmfao

[fossil finch]

the

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[dapper violet]

he

[drowsy plank]

what

[quiet kernel]

@fringe sky boss rush is not a priority rn iirc

And there will be themes for tier 4 and 5

They are not just done yet

[small timber]

Except for 3rd point, the first and second is subjective anyway

Provi basically serve as the "final gate guardian" before the final bosses (tier 5), and I dont think there is another boss that fit more for that

Meanwhile boss rush music is just not done yet so wouldnt comment on that

[fringe sky]

In regards to prov, it's subjective yeah. Always felt (especially when comparing boss difficulty on tier) that Providence would fit better with tier 5 bosses. And having the same theme across the 4 would be good imo

[small timber]

It would definitely fit into tier 5, though imo I think it is thematically better to make her basically the 'final boss before the final bosses' instead

Since it is similar to her role in normal pt: it is the first boss that get way harder

[small timber]

Tier 4 and 5 music is just not done yet, eventually it will be uniform music for each tier

[fringe sky]

Wasn't 100% sure whether there would be new tracks but it still would be nice to spread the current tracks out until 4 and 5 are finished

[small timber]

Spreading the tier 1-3 music across 5 tier will not really make sense since you basically have to change it back after 4,5 is done

And ya, it will get repetitive real quick

[fringe sky]

Yeah, also in part it's how crazy Providence difficulty can be in higher difficulties. Feels like a cut above the rest like other tier 5s.

[small timber]

The (yharon border) suggestion seems fine, other than like, it thematically will not make too much sense

Since it will be a giant flame pillar that does no damage but only gently stop you from moving

(oh the suggestion did say that)

[drowsy plank]

honestly i get it because after they turned it from those awful flamenadoes into the fire pillars, which are objectively cooler, it really just reinforced the question of why they weren't just hard borders

[small timber]

An idea is maybe make it generate a flaming tornado instead that create vacuum or something and push the player into the arena/prevent escaping (in visual), and in reality is just spawn an invisible arena block at the border

[drowsy plank]

i get that that would make more sense thematically but that sounds very visually noisy

on that note i wonder if you could replace scal's block border with something more interesting

[small timber]

Ye, probably will heavily depend on execution

[drowsy plank]

or at least just cover it with a visual that looks cooler than blocks

im pretty sure there are already plans to make boss rush less of a complete butchering

[small timber]

Ya, tdr on boss rush will just make people complain about it endlessly

With tdr a boss rush will literally last like 40 minutes+

[magic verge]

well

[fringe sky]

I mean like that's kinda the idea of a boss rush time wise. A gauntlet against all past foes but scaled to your end game gear

[magic verge]

malice mode changes will be applied to boss rush

that also will help a bit

[hot zephyr]

(i'm like 99% sure Malice AI is already present in boss rush)

[small timber]

But ya tldr the devs just dont really care about boss rush right now, but they did say eventually one day in the future soon™️ it will not be a meltfest

[fossil finch]

it already is yeah

i dont think its a good idea to add tdr because like

bossrush balancing will be constantly aaaaaaa until yharim exists and

[hot zephyr]

boss rush is at
literally the bottom of priority

[fringe sky]

I tried fighting boss rush with like pre yharon as a reference and honestly it felt a lot more enjoyable when I did

[fossil finch]

very long bossrushes bring in complaints about how theyre

very long

[small timber]

While it doesnt feel like it, boss rush have 41 bosses

[drowsy plank]

tbf we

dont even have all the bosses yet

[small timber]

Even at a 30 sec tdr each boss it will be 20 minutes, minimum

[sharp rapids]

^

[golden tulip]

whips :D

[fossil finch]

whips are exactly

one point above

[hot zephyr]

whips are above boss rush

[golden tulip]

lets go

but also crying for boss rush

[drowsy plank]

i dont get it

they'll fix boss rush once we have all the bosses

simple stuff

[golden tulip]

yea in 3 years

ill probably live on my own by the time yharim comes

[fringe sky]

Wouldn't hurt to have it on like a suggestions list if supported at least

[sand ermine]

@dapper violet your only reason is "it would be cool"

also i dont think they have plans for kites yet

[dapper violet]

Sorry

[golden tulip]

its fine

[grim tusk]

Boss rush with RDR will be mega cringe

If you want tanky bosses go master mode and 1000% hp boost

[golden tulip]

it could use more dr

[hollow shell]

@fringe sky Your first sugg's suggestions are not "QoL" changes, they do not make gameplay more convenient
Also it'd be good to split up your suggestion into two suggestions, so that way people can vote on either idea if they agree with one and not the other

(You'll have to save one for later though cuz of the 2 suggs per day rule)

[proud quest]

should crabulon spawn naturally like aquatic scourge?

he has a neutral state which is kinda useless because theres no reason to spawn him if you dont want to fight him

[crude geode]

Sounds fine

[drowsy plank]

have to admit the mushy buff is one of the funniest things to just. exist in this game

it is given exclusively by the infected clawmerang and... being near passive crabulon

like why

[proud quest]

my idea?

[drowsy plank]

yeah i think that's what they're saying and i agree because crabulon literally has a mechanic where he benefits the player if left untouched which makes no sense if he only spawns through summoning

[fringe sky]

Gotcha will rename. I figured that the changes were overall small in the group to be just sent as one but I get why that won't be ideal for voting

[hollow shell]

Thank you for your understanding

Ah, you'll be reposting the Timed DR one later then?

Or have you decided against it entirely

[fringe sky]

Figured it would be a larger and probably more controversial change as everyone is saying BR is super low priority anyways