suggestions-discussion

[subtle sapphire]

wait it's a Sekiro copypasta

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

[frail mantle]

suggestion: lock the player to normal mode just to spite you specifically

[swift wharf]

[unborn oriole]

Damn that's big suggestion

[fossil mural]

Suggestion: don't be a jerkwad and let people play on whatever difficulty they're comfortable without gatekeeping and insulting them

I know that's a bit much to ask of some people

[drowsy plank]

physically impossible

[swift wharf]

no
you can only play on journey because it's the best one

[drifting wing]

mod is balanced around expert revengeance so you playing on easier difficulties is basically cheatimg

[inner anvil]

Basically cheating...?

If you mean Journey Mode, then yeah, sure.

[frosty trellis]

Because the mod is balanced around expert and a modded difficulty

[drifting wing]

-hyperbole-

[frosty trellis]

Any difficulty lower means the weapons will be overpowered

Since it's designed around a harder difficulty

Making the game a lot easier that it was balanced around

[inner anvil]

I wouldn't call it "Basically cheating" lmao, it's just an easier experience and that's it.

[frosty trellis]

Think part of the reason some people say nerf x item or buff it is bc they don't play expert rev, and play something of a lower difficulty

[drifting wing]

i was joking man

[inner anvil]

Oh? You were? Sorry.

Text is difficult to interpret.

[drifting wing]

its alright, my first playthrough was normal mode yknow

[frosty trellis]

It can feel like cheating

Hell, tbh expert rev for me feels like cheating

Yharon is so much easier on rev than death

It's insane

Lmao

It's dependant on what people are comfortable with

[drifting wing]

i actually mever played expert on vanilla til i played calamity

now i first try every exp rev boss

[fossil mural]

see im weird

my very first experience with terraria

was master mode

and in vanilla i honestly prefer it over expert because of the extra slot lol

but modded master mode is pain

[drifting wing]

master seems like just a numbers buff, and playing the game outside of bosses seems excruciating so i never tried master

[dapper violet]

Yeah, people can play the game however they want

I play on Journey Mode and you shouldn't discriminate someone for playing the game like that

[fierce iris]

IIRC Fab has mentioned Calamity on Classic mode being beatable by someone who's never played Terraria before

[cobalt pewter]

terraria players when using a weapon requires you to aim in a general direction

(they're actual babies)

[fierce iris]

i forget if it was an observation or a statement of balance intent

[dapper violet]

That's offensive

[cobalt pewter]

(I forgot to include the reply lo)

[cobalt pewter]

if it's offensive then it's relatable

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn oriole]

So true

[dapper violet]

Most of the time it isn't
Can we stop discriminating others for how they play

[unborn oriole]

I just love how people use only Chloro bullets when playing ranger

Like

Man, try using Nano bullets please

I mean

Dont get me wrong

Homing is awesome

[cobalt pewter]

anyways

#suggestions-posting message

I think it's too early to suggest something like this when cal hasn't even officially touched wh*ps yet

let them do what they think can be done with wh*ps, thne maybe come back to this

[unborn oriole]

But it's awfull how people just use that when there are like other 30 options

[fierce iris]

i use homing weapons pretty much exclusively, primarily because the less i have to dedicate my attention to aiming the more i can focus on not dying

it's a defensive investment

[unborn oriole]

I mean yeah

Homing is good

[cobalt pewter]

just because you replied that imma censor wh*ps from now on

[fossil mural]

sometimes i wanna brain off and just hold m1

[unborn oriole]

It just gets boring after a while

[dapper violet]

No, I'm sorry

[unborn oriole]

It is better many times, i agree

[swift wharf]

🤝

reworked nano bullets my beloved

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

Angel Treads can totally have another branch that is full shoes without wings

so one branch it's Tracers, another branch is could be full shoes

[unborn oriole]

But i personally prefer to aim and play agresive rather than just holds m1 without moving the mouse

[unborn oriole]

So true

[fierce iris]

also smart bounce is not a suitable replacement for homing if you lose damage for missing over hitting

[unborn oriole]

Smart bounce my beloved

[fierce iris]

because it means you still have to pay attention to your aim

[fossil mural]

that whip suggestion seems pretty complex

[unborn oriole]

Or the other option

[dapper violet]

Still a good alt

[fierce iris]

so you don't get the evasion attention advantage from it

[unborn oriole]

Verium bullets

[unborn oriole]

Tbf yeah

[fierce iris]

if smart bounce didn't make you lose 30% damage it would be good

[cobalt pewter]

yeah and this is assuming the devs doesn't do anything with wh*ps to an extent, which is definitely false

[unborn oriole]

Can't say no to homing as much as i say meh

[dapper violet]

Endless musket pouch is also suitable

[fierce iris]

but as it is it doesn't take any attention requirement away from aiming

[unborn oriole]

Absolutely

[fierce iris]

which is the real reason to use homing

[unborn oriole]

...unless you are not MrJFL and use qol

[cobalt pewter]

and looking at the formula thing

[unborn oriole]

Lazyness

[cobalt pewter]

there's a reason why Firecracker is broken

it's the only vanilla wh*p that is multiplicative

[dapper violet]

It isn't broken

[unborn oriole]

It is

[swift wharf]

It is very broken

[unborn oriole]

If you say no, i will automatically asume you never played summoner

[fierce iris]

honestly, Nano bullets would be way better if the 30% damage loss were global instead of just on bounce

[dapper violet]

It only happens when the flares explode

[unborn oriole]

And i talk as a Summoner main ever since my first day in terraria

[swift wharf]

the bounce is more of a bonus

[fierce iris]

so you could just not aim with them, like you already do with chlorophyte

[swift wharf]

if you miss a shot, it bounces back

you still have to aim

[unborn oriole]

Aka when a minion hits

And oh surprise

[fierce iris]

and that's why they're worse than chloro

[unborn oriole]

Whips are support taken to the edge

[swift wharf]

making a second aimn't bullet would be stupid

[dapper violet]

That is what I meant

[drowsy plank]

dont nano have like double the base damage of chloro

[swift wharf]

Yea

[unborn oriole]

[drowsy plank]

well there you go you aim twice as good, you get twice as much damage, simple

[unborn oriole]

Actually balanced? 🧐

[drowsy plank]

impossible i know

[unborn oriole]

Balance in terraria holy shit

[swift wharf]

verium be like

[dapper violet]

The x2.75 damage only happens once but with feral claws it can be more than once
So i can see it being rather OP

[drowsy plank]

tbf the homing bullet just double hits the target you hit with the original bullet so like

u still gotta aim

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

[dapper violet]

Oh and speed boosting whips

[unborn oriole]

Verium bullets are good because they hit twice

[swift wharf]

huh

I did not know they hit twice wtf

[unborn oriole]

Yes

They hit, and then, get homing to hit again

It's awesome for single target

[drowsy plank]

look at least you know they existed lmfao

[swift wharf]

old verium was just chloro 2

that sounds better than chloro actually

[drowsy plank]

me out here using ichor/cursed for all of hardmode and luminite for all of post-ML

[dapper violet]

Early Chloro

[swift wharf]

I remember when it was better than it

lol

[dapper violet]

Yet we still have to respect others for how they play the game, if everyone has the same play style, it would be rather boring and unenjoyable

[swift wharf]

that is correct

[dapper violet]

I play on Journey, and I shouldn't be discriminated for it, which is what I said earlier

[fossil finch]

we should kill all players without any discrimination

[swift wharf]

BASED

[fossil mural]

true

[subtle sapphire]

best solution

[frosty trellis]

I wouldn't. Hell, I use cheat sheet for easier grinding and arena building, so I get that

[ruby sentinel]

I'm writing a custom mod for easier grinding lol

[crude geode]

"It'd make sense" is not really valid logic for a sugg

[crude geode]

@hollow shell sugg with above reasoning

[unique vector]

@golden tulip what did u want from me again

[hollow shell]

@quartz magnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_number

(damn that's a fucked up wikipedia embed)

But uhh yeah "mach speed" is a term

[quartz magnet]

theres no way its meant to be mach

[hollow shell]

Why do you think that

[quartz magnet]

because match just makes way more sense right?

[short walrus]

puns exist, you know

[hollow shell]

No

It is meant to say that you're reaching "mach speed", stylishly
Not that you're matching your style with your speed

Mach speed means you've broken the speed of sound

which is what jets do

This is a jetpack

[quartz magnet]

idk man if its a mistake its a mistake I posted it so It will or wont get changed

[short walrus]

(literally talking to a dev)

and the red exclamation mark bars the sugg from reaching voting

[quartz magnet]

ah

[unique vector]

its not a mistake

its like saying "max speed with style" but instead of vaguely saying "max speed" its referring to the speed of sound

mach is indeed a word and is indeed intentionally used here

[swift wharf]

it's a double joke

[hollow shell]

I doubt it's a pun on the word "match"

Considering "mach" is pronounced "mock"

[unique vector]

yeah

its almost certainly not a pun unless its a cultural media reference i dont get lol

[swift wharf]

oh wtf

I did not know that

[unborn oriole]

WHAT

I mispronounced that my ENTIRE life?

[keen zodiac]

apparently

[swift wharf]

maq

[drowsy plank]

yall been pronouncing "mach" like "match" without the "t" this whole time or smthn

[keen zodiac]

mohque

[drowsy plank]

that's really funny

[small timber]

I thought it is "mark" tbh, or "makh"

[swift wharf]

I literally never heard the spelling so like

[keen zodiac]

mack & me

[drowsy plank]

literally the first thing i thought of lmfao

[hot zephyr]

it's pronounced
maak

[keen zodiac]

mock

[small timber]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-major-spelling-mistake-spelling-mistake-gif-25140477

(fuck it is pronunciation)

[night jolt]

Bruh its literally spelled right lmao

[drowsy plank]

aureate booster moment

[small timber]

just pretend the major spelling mistake is replaced with just "Engrish"

[drowsy plank]

you know while we're on the topic of booster i think it is uh. pretty awful where it is in progression rn tbh

[swift wharf]

reaver armor kinda uhhhh

[drowsy plank]

reaver armor is cool actually but aureate booster is just

not good

[small timber]

I still dont understand why they removed booster's MS boost

that is literally the point of that wing, the rest of its stat is garbage

[drowsy plank]

when they removed it's 10% movement speed bonus they gave it uh

extra 40 flight time

which is

idk it's fine i guess??

[swift wharf]

probably because new set bonuses

[drowsy plank]

it's supposed to be fast like. horizontally

[small timber]

did they changed reaver after the building/tank/speed set rework?

[hot zephyr]

movement speed rework

stacking with the speed armor

I didn't call for the nerf but I'm pretty sure that's why

[swift wharf]

mmm

[small timber]

tbh I do think instead of giving reaver like stupid amount of pure MS, just give it like acceleration, max speed, horizontal flight speed etc etc will probably make it less of a balance nightmare (ok horizontal flight speed is already given)

since it makes it harder to reach the threshold where MS go mad

(or just give MS a softcap, that way items dont have to provide pitiful amount of MS; DR has one already)

[drowsy plank]

either way i have no idea how aureate is supposed to compete with mothron, festive, and tattered fairy lmao

[small timber]

I included hadarian since it is moved to aureus (close enough)

ya booster is like, a bit scuffed now
it definitely has vertical speed but it only has vertical speed

[drowsy plank]

id also like to point out that on top of hadarian's higher horizontal speed, it also generally has longer air time even if aureate statistically has more flight time/height because of it's 4x multiplier on hovering

not to mention that festive and tattered are literally on par with steampunk in terms of strength wing wise so like

why would you even waste time with aureate

[small timber]

from test booster is definitely much stronger for vertical speed, the 1.5 acceleration multiplier means that (for hadarian the 360 flight time only apply for hovering, vertically you only have 90)

so yes, booster is definitely the go to if you want vertical speed (by a lot), the problem is it only have vertical speed and literally nothing else

[distant gyro]

there is definitely a big jump from aureate to hadarian

de

[hollow shell]

(funky sort)

[distant gyro]

it's sorted by vertical acceleration

it's not too different if sorted by top vertical speed

[small timber]

ya, mostly just the accel part make booster have high vertical speed

for hadarian you need extra flight time to match, since it run out of flight before reaching top speed (for vertical)

[distant gyro]

horizontal part makes a lot of difference though

[hollow shell]

DR technically does not have a soft cap but I guess it's the easiest way to refer to what is going on with DR

[small timber]

ya, since I feel it is easier to understand

[distant gyro]

I'd call it scaling

or to convey that it is a nerf, downscaling

[small timber]

should I change it to that? since that was mostly my intention (downscaling as you say), just I felt soft cap is easier to understand

I just realise isnt abigail flower the definition of "scaling weapon" or "old legendary item effect", though it is added by vanilla

not sure how a suggestion for that is judged since it is introduced by vanilla but at the sametime a suggestion that do that
(or just give it a low number and be done with it)

[unborn oriole]

I mean kinda

It just scales with 1 boss tho

[grave zinc]

@pine kernel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make repair units able to be caught with a bug net or other means]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
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@idle plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Tenebris glow like ores when Spelunker effect is on]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
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@vale locust - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Ninja Dodge Not Activate With <1 Damage]

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[hollow shell]

(the suggestion sparked some discussion on what should be done about Tenebris, as a few devs expressed that they want it deleted)

[grave zinc]

@versed cape - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add plague wings]

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@supple lodge - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add chest loot to the Sunken Sea]

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@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Allow Hallowed and Cryonic Ore to Spawn in Biome Variant Blocks]

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[Bloody tear being decraftable back into blood orbs]

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@orchid cairn - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Bring back the infinite flight ability of the Soaring Insignia, but as an endgame accessory instead.]

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[Give Anahita & Leviathan a more predictable summon condition.]

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[Give Upgrades to Ironskin Potion]

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[orchid cairn]

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[drowsy plank]

finally, i was really lucky to get a first time community in my most recent run tbh so i didnt have to deal with this lol

[orchid cairn]

@ashen warren about the flinx fur suggestion

[drowsy plank]

honestly i looked through the recipes and tenebris serves no purpose not already covered by planty mush, lumenyl, and depth cells so it dying would be nothing but a benefit in my book

[orchid cairn]

theyre going to update flinxes to spawn more often/differently in the next update to base terraria

so getting it will be easier without a recipe for it

[ashen warren]

hey

[drowsy plank]

also on the topic of abyss materials, is there literally any reason both lumenyl and depth cells exist as two seperate items?

there's a whopping one item set (fathom swarmer) that doesnt have tenebris, lumenyl, and depth cells shoved together or some combination thereof

[hollow shell]

This was very nearly marked under "incompatible", but it didn't quite fit. We do have plans for the Sunken Sea though

[grave zinc]

@amber turret - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Bloody tear being decraftable back into blood orbs]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
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[short walrus]

wow that most recent sugg sure is
something

[small timber]

dragonfolly is electrified, yharon I imagine is a literal sun, in fact providence (who is similar) not dealing contact damage is probably a similar deal

[short walrus]

"born from a lack of creativity" what even

[small timber]

bosses dealing contact damage is probably more for balance reason, since some bosses will be drastically easier if they dont deal contact by default, as you have much more room to move around

contact damage to certain degree is an "area denial"

some bosses I will agree though, especially those almost entirely depend on projectile

[ornate fjord]

Then give mobs an aura of sort, really especially bosses like from the potion.

[short walrus]

why though

[ornate fjord]

Wouldn't be a bad thing anyway. Would at the very least make sense.

[short walrus]

going to your bat suggestion, is it that hard to believe it doesnt just
bite you

[small timber]

and I will be honest, master+death+ftw is a really bad reason, since you basically more than double your damage taken

[short walrus]

^^^

[small timber]

the mod is balanced around expert rev, for reference

[short walrus]

your problem for doing that hell lmao

[ornate fjord]

You can give a bat charge that attack so it's telegraphed.

[small timber]

but ya, if you want to make the point more valid

[ornate fjord]

I do not complain about the mod itself. It's a suggestion that can bring more possibilities.

[small timber]

probably delete the part mentioning master+death+ftw, and can give example like scal

(wait I need to check, does scal deal contact by default)

[ornate fjord]

SCAL isn't that bad.

It doesn't deal contact DMG by default I believe.

And damn you are right

[small timber]

the thing here is you need to establish examples, instead of just say "remove this"

since almost all (notable one) except like providence are dealing contact damage

[ornate fjord]

Should've brought up such thing as a Moon Lord that has no contact dmg at the most of his sprite.

Or his eyes do not deal contact DMG too?

[small timber]

in vanilla it does, in cal they removed it I think, since the eyes no longer leave the hand

[ornate fjord]

You're certainly right.

[ornate fjord]

Seems 'bout right.

Still, melee being a mage with no mana was more of a point I wanted to make.

It doesn't make much sense.

[small timber]

ok scal do deal contact, I misremembered as her only not dealin contact during bullet hell (and charge)

[short walrus]

then it would be more suited for a seperate sugg.

[small timber]

but ya, the current trend seems to be that only bosses with abnormally large hitbox don't deal contact, namely providence and moon lord

since they will be absurdly unfair otherwise

[ornate fjord]

When she goes semi transparent she doesn't deal contact dmg in bullet hell phase, yeah.

[ornate fjord]

Which is amazing.

[short walrus]

the devs are already working on melee being unique anyways (look at the current reworks)

[small timber]

in general imo is I think a boss that is heavily focused on contact damage should deal contact (even if idle), but if a boss is super projectile heavy then maybe

[ornate fjord]

Yes, but god damn contact dmg rework would make it so much better.

[short walrus]

refer to this

[ornate fjord]

I shall.

[burnt condor]

I think the bulletheck phases are... fun, in moderation! but not "the best that ever happened to the terraria". idk I think contact damage is just a given in 98% of video games and if you wanna interrogate why that is and push it more that's fine but I don't think contact damage needs to be wildly overworked or removed

[small timber]

what differs calamity from other mods is that most of them are actually not as projectile heavy as other mods (despite how people always call calamity late game to be "bullet hell"), and more often or not are designed with contact damage in mind; the approach just does not work as nice compare to other mods (which often emphasize much more on projectile)

[burnt condor]

(also yeah the "melee is just mage with no mana" is a separate thing that I'm pretty sure the devs have thoughts on already, though I'm not sure where those thoughts land)

[ornate fjord]

Well Yharon tries to dash you so it's semi-focused on contact DMG but he has a lot of other abilities, so if he's just sitting here why would he deal contact DMG? Like if he was a bloody burning dragon it would make sense. But you make an armour outta his scales so scales itself are not dangerous. You can give him a swipe attack if the player nearby for example which would make much more sense.

[small timber]

there can be a lot of explanation why a smelted ingredient/material is not as dangerous as its source, but ya let me get the list of bosses

[ornate fjord]

I'm a big fan of Touhou so... Well.. Tee hee dots on the screen go wryyyy.

[burnt condor]

that's fair I myself struggle with undertale so. different demographics I suppose haha

[ornate fjord]

Hive mind for example should apply smth like Decaying Touch debuff with DOT or smth instead of just dealing dmg 'cuz you've landed on his head.

[small timber]

(pardon the tiny picture)

[ornate fjord]

Undertale was fun, Untill they gave me a shield... That moment was "Oh no..."

[small timber]

just from the list:
king slime without contact will be a joke, DS, EOC is contact boss, crabulon is a joke without contact, BOC, EOW contact boss, Hive mind is half contact; perforator the brain I can see not having contact (but it have moves designed to be contact, worms is contact; QB, skeletron, slime god full contact, WoF contact is anti-cheese, deerclops already dont deal contact

[ornate fjord]

For the DoG it would be good if he applied a stronger version of Electrocuted DOT when you touch middle segments and he's not moving, instead of contact DMG.

[short walrus]

one small correction: Deer does deal contact damage, its hitbox just doesn't include its feet

[ornate fjord]

Contact DMG for middle segments is steal can be greatly reduced for the Classic/Expert runs. And DOT will make it more even around.

[small timber]

queen slime is half contact, cryogen as you say as ice spike (and also have many contact move), retinazer and spazatism have half their moves contact, AS have move for contact, destroyer is half contact, brimstone elemenetal maybe but have move designed around contact, skeletron prime full contact, calamitas have move designed more contact, plantera full contact, analev contact boss, aureus maybe during the idle/refuel phase, golem half contact but maybe golem body during static can have no contact, PBG full contact, empress of light during non-charge maybe, fishron full contact, ravager full contact (and will be too easy to run through the body freely), LC already no contact, deus half contact, moon lord already no contact

(I no this is getting too long)

[ornate fjord]

I'm not talking 'bout JUST REMOVE contact. I'm talking "rework, add attacks instead of contact"

[ornate fjord]

Sure thing, but why do they have it while being stationary and not attacking.

[small timber]

PG is a contact boss, dragonfolly is a contact boss (as you say, maybe during static), providence no contact, CV's contact is unfair and I hope only deal contact at specific phase, signus full contact, weaver full contact, polter full contact, old duke full contact, DoG full contact, yharon half contact, exo eye already dont deal contact (same for ares) and thanatos is half contact, scal (when not charging) maybe; AEW dont exist

[eternal escarp]

this sugg sounds like that slr post directed at relogic

[ornate fjord]

You can make it Starbound like whick would make more sense and introduce smth bigger that THIS BOSS IS JUST A PROJECTILE WITH HEALTH.

[short walrus]

which one?

[eternal escarp]

i think this sugg might fall under too much effort tbh

[small timber]

the thing is if they need to REWORK attacks to deal attack, that is not happening as it will cover too many bosses
what I was trying to find is basically bosses that do not have heavy design on attack/contact, so they can be given no contact during stationary, as you say

[eternal escarp]

let me find it, but its the same idea bsdically

[ornate fjord]

Well yes. But they will not do crap even if I break down Red's door shouting "YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR" 😄

[ornate fjord]

The thing is, while charging/attacking their dmg is done and calculated by a separate script I believe. So just by removing Contact Dmg from smth like Hive mind while stationary wouldn't change a thing but let Melee actually work as a Melee.

[ornate fjord]

This

[eternal escarp]

anyways i think this is passing the too much effort dont

atleast it sounds like it would to me

contact damage is a game wide thing and will require a lot and a LOT of changing

[ornate fjord]

Starbound by Chucklefish has done it and it WORKED

So it is possible

[eternal escarp]

possible != easy

[ornate fjord]

Sure

But that's why we are here.

[eternal escarp]

hence, too much effort

which id a dont

(suggestion rules)

[small timber]

ok I highlighted the ones that I think maybe worth checking, for others just dont make sense to not deal contact (or in otherwise, basically dont have static/idle phase)

[ornate fjord]

For one of those Retinizer when it's just flying and not charging+not shooting, those moments should have no CD.

[small timber]

ya (that is part of why I highlighted retinazer)

[ornate fjord]

Spazmatismis basically a melee so makes perfect sense, but for skeletron/prime to deal dmg when his head isn't rolling is kinda clanky.

[burnt condor]

I doooon't think contact damage is an inherent flaw to be fixed? like that slr thing sounds cool but also contact damage a deep-rooted aspect of the game. I think minor case-by-case tweaks would be fine but. sometimes an enemy touches you and it hurts

[small timber]

for p2 I think it make sense to always deal contact (otherwise it is literally idle for half the fight), p1 maybe, but ya it can be a stretch since sprime dont really idle

(I will imagine getting smacked by a moving 10 ton machine head will be quite painful)

[eternal escarp]

okay i read the sugg fully and i realized the reasoning is kinda lacking
feels like a combinstion of "difficulty stacking hard make easier" and "itd make sense" for some cases

[ornate fjord]

Sprime idles rarely but still does, this can give some openers for melee which would make shorter melee viable.

[eternal escarp]

the latter reasoning is also a dont

[small timber]

ye, I think focus the reasoning on allowing more interesting boss design

[ornate fjord]

Eeeeh, if it sounds like that my bad.

I didn't mean it.

It was more like. Give me more things to remember about boss attacks and make it not just DO NOT TOUCH THE BIG BOY

It only goes for melee tho

[small timber]

but ya this entire part can be summarized

[eternal escarp]

either way the entire game is currently built with contact damage in mind, asking to make most of the enemies suddenly not have contact damage and be changed to accomodate is a major change

[ornate fjord]

For ranges classes everything is OK.

[small timber]

the reason ranged weapon exist is not just for boring reason, but also that not everyone is capable of doing master death ftw

[eternal escarp]

you could ask for some bosdes specifically, maybe, if you have better reasoning

[small timber]

it is OK for boring and easy to use class to exist

[ornate fjord]

I only suggest in a long term, not like it can be done in under a year.

[frosty trellis]

"Let's remove part of the challenge from the mod bc it would make 'sense'" bc that makes sense at all

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt really matter

[frosty trellis]

The mod isn't supposed to be easy

That's not the point

[small timber]

the scale of the suggestion will be too large ya, especiallys ones that take years to impelement and slowly rework bosses

[ornate fjord]

And when did I ask it to be easy?

[eternal escarp]

if the sugg is high effort enough it prolly wont really be done unless the team decides it themselves outside of the sugg

hence you should very likely lower your scope

[small timber]

ideally the suggestion just ask for specific boss to get checked if they have reasons to deal contact damage, and are easily changeable just by removing them during specific phase (eg: idle), in the case where they make sense

[ornate fjord]

Well they aleady have some ideas about melee overall, so I think I shall see what they will come up with first.

If it would be a viable fix

Then nice.

[frosty trellis]

Yharon and Dragonfolly literally charge at you to try and kill you, so that doesn't make sense except for Follys idle phase with the feathers, which would be fine

[small timber]

in that case they just have to fix it on the weapon themselves to ignore contact in some capacity, like ark being able to parry contact damage, or things like final dawn ignore contact during the dash

[eternal escarp]

you are missing what im saying i think, the fact a suggestion dont is high effort suggestions

[frosty trellis]

^

[eternal escarp]

read the pinned document, if you dont understand what i mean

[ornate fjord]

OK, then. Thus, topic closed, I guess.

[small timber]

^ you can probably still do this, just lower down the scope from "reworking bosses to not dependent on contact damage"

[ornate fjord]

Maybe I should shave off some rust and go find what can I do myself as an addon.

[frosty trellis]

Also, Master-Death-FTW? FTW is by design unfair, because as literally anyone should know, FTW is a meme

Don't expect FTW to ever be balanced

[ornate fjord]

This would already be really good.

[ornate fjord]

FTW isn't that difficult.

[eternal escarp]

ftw is msde in mind to be absolutely stupid

[ornate fjord]

Since it came out I've only created FTW worlds.

[short walrus]

then thats a you problem

[frosty trellis]

That's just you

[eternal escarp]

not strictly difficult, but its a joke not to be taken seriously

[ornate fjord]

😄

[small timber]

ya it probably will like, not be too hard to beat, just probabl ya lot of bullshit

[frosty trellis]

FTW is a joke

The mod is balanced around Expert-Rev

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[ornate fjord]

The only problem of FTW is normal skeletron

Everything else is not much of a difference.

[small timber]

but ya, just know that the mod is absolutely not designed with ftw and master mode in mind, and therefore where some case you might feel contact being bullshit, it might be fine in expert/revengeance

[eternal escarp]

sprime bombs breaking blocks shouldve been the best hint to ftw being a joke in vanilla

[frosty trellis]

Which generally it is

[eternal escarp]

or anything else not boss related

[ornate fjord]

Just construct an arena anywhere which is not your base.

[eternal escarp]

unless im confusing with another stupid seed

[short walrus]

no, thats FTW

[frosty trellis]

Sprime tile destroying is ftw

[spring sail]

Removing contact dmg from a lot of bosses is basically like “a parrying mechanic to the entire Melee class” which is a don’t

[eternal escarp]

youre hyper focused on the "challenging" aspect, sure you can solve it, doesnt mean its a serious change to be taken seriously

[ornate fjord]

My problem isn't balance, my problem is lack of logic by RELOGIC.

[frosty trellis]

Well

Calamity isn't re-logic

[short walrus]

i genuinely dont think relogic gives two shits

[frosty trellis]

So stop yelling at calamity devs for not being logical

[ornate fjord]

Well you are right, sir.

[frosty trellis]

Literally look at ultima

[small timber]

you mean a rolling cactus dealing more damage than destroyer head is not appropriate?
HOW COULD YOU

[frosty trellis]

And tell me this mod makes logical sense

[ornate fjord]

Wasn't yelling at Calamity devs tho 😄

[eternal escarp]

ultima is dono

not the best example i think

[ornate fjord]

Jsut making some half-assed sugg

[frosty trellis]

Weapons that don't make logical sense

Like the bow that shoots fucking sharks

[eternal escarp]

pumpler

[frosty trellis]

Exploding pumpkins

Yes

[small timber]

seared pan

[eternal escarp]

anything mage

[ornate fjord]

LOL well cacti and boulders are a bloody meme.

[frosty trellis]

Literally the entire mage class yes

[ornate fjord]

You do not get it, I see.

I mean a sense for a player.

[eternal escarp]

or mostly anything melee

or snything summoner

byeah

[ornate fjord]

As FoEx i touch the grass I die

[frosty trellis]

Trying to think of anything that would make sense to not have contact damage during x phase, and I'm not thinking of anything on why

[ornate fjord]

The best way to represent my words - counterintuitive unless experienced.

[frosty trellis]

Make Duke phase change and folly feather phase where it's idle

But that's kinda it

[spring sail]

And what? I think at the post calclone stage lumenyl is the hardest to obtain, you can get a lot of tenebris from just mining and depth cells are pretty common, lumenyl on the other hand pretty much requires you to mine them in the 3rd layer and that’s really dangerous

[ornate fjord]

Then let's make ScAL deal contact dmg during bullethell, why not 😄

[small timber]

but ya before going like, way too off topic:

if you still want the suggestion to be reviewed (while you have to downsize the scope of the suggestion), probably should shrink it down to what was mentioned

the current one is way too large scope, as even reworking 1 boss can be count as too high-effort, let alone all of them

[frosty trellis]

Looks at the aura shield she has around her that does contact damage already

[ornate fjord]

Add a damaging shield around them like the one cryogen has

[short walrus]

lumenyl also drops from enemies

[small timber]

I think scal you can find a reason, since she don't deal contact during bullet hell, so why would she normally, especially that she has a special charging animation now

[eternal escarp]

she pretty much always has contact damage when she is observable except BH1 iirc

[ornate fjord]

ScAL doesn't deal CD in BH. We already concluded it. she becomes non-target.

[frosty trellis]

Oh huh

[ornate fjord]

I'm talking specifically about that phase

[small timber]

I think scal only deal contact damage during BH if she is like, charging right before initiating bullet hell, but ya that is more like an oversight

[ornate fjord]

Which is a great thing.

[spring sail]

Not as much as depth cells

[eternal escarp]

either way outside of the actual sugg issues i personally dont see any real issue with most contact damage bosses

they are all kindof just

to be expected

[burnt condor]

^

[eternal escarp]

if you played terraria you know 90% of the time you shouldnt touch an enemy

[frosty trellis]

I don't see why bosses shouldn't have contact damage tbh

[ornate fjord]

Can be fixed by stopping script if health is at level "#" but not big of a problem.

[eternal escarp]

the only times i can agree is phase transitions or to stop telefragging, neither of which are an intended thing usually

[small timber]

I do agree with john that some bosses should not deal contact damage (particularly when idle or when "it doesn't make sense"), but ya, definitely not rework all bosses to that extend

[eternal escarp]

or if its a boss like providence

[ornate fjord]

But it still shouldn't be praised IMO. It's just not wanting to deal with additional animations for attacks.

[eternal escarp]

(since if providence had contact damage that wouldnt be very fun, shockingly)

[eternal escarp]

?

i dont see that?

[ornate fjord]

Let's see

[frosty trellis]

Providence not having contact damage makes that fight way less of a chore

[eternal escarp]

if something isnt broken i dont see why it should be changed

[ornate fjord]

Let's take a trash mob

[spring sail]

The dashing and ramming part of bosses are some of the main ways the bosses attack, imagine duke or dog lose their contact damage

[ornate fjord]

Skeleton or Possessed armor

[small timber]

(providence half screen size hit box)

[ornate fjord]

They just walk into you

Not swinging a hit

[eternal escarp]

this is just how terraria is, yes

[frosty trellis]

Okay?

[short walrus]

whats the deal with calling things "trash mobs"

[ornate fjord]

Not charging a sword at you.

Which is Terraria.

But

[frosty trellis]

How else are they supposed to deal damage?

[eternal escarp]

at this point it feels like you just have an issue with terraria itself

[ornate fjord]

Is it a good thing?

[eternal escarp]

idk why this is calamitys issue

[frosty trellis]

^

[ornate fjord]

Not an issue

[short walrus]

leave it to texturepacks or something

[burnt condor]

don't touch bad guys is how a lot of video games work

[ornate fjord]

A possibility to make things better if Devs decide to.

[short walrus]

WHy are you complaining about it then

[small timber]

the thing is just vanilla dont implement swing animation for these attacks, so you kinda assume things happen, to certain degree it is like a table top rpg in that sense

[spring sail]

But this does fix the part that asgardian aegis overperforming Statis’ belt

[ornate fjord]

Little to none nowadays...

[eternal escarp]

idk i played tboi repentence and the enemies deal contact damage

[frosty trellis]

Just

[eternal escarp]

and have no animation for that

[frosty trellis]

Don't get hit by the contact damage attacks then

[burnt condor]

I don't think we play the same video games orz

[spring sail]

Old RPGs have lots of contact dmg

[ornate fjord]

OLD RPGs

[frosty trellis]

Same, just dabbled into some AB+ and WOTL

[ornate fjord]

You shouldn't parasite on thing that was made a long time ago and were MUCH more difficult to make at the time.

[eternal escarp]

i think you are arguing about terrarias corr gameplay and thats not something calamity is going to fix

[ornate fjord]

You have to come up with new things.

[short walrus]

the Ori games have a basic slug enemy that deals contact damage and doesn't have an attack animation

[burnt condor]

????????

[unique vector]

fun fact

[small timber]

ya to certain degree calamity stick pretty closely to vanilla
(except donor item because donor moment)

[frosty trellis]

Terraria is also 2D and was created 11 years ago

[ornate fjord]

Calamity already has fixed a lot of things IMO.

[short walrus]

and i'm pretty sure ori isnt old

[spring sail]

Yeah I know I’m just stating why is there lot of contact dmg in terraria

[unique vector]

SLR devs asked terraria devs on twitter to remove most contact dmg sources

[eternal escarp]

i said that

[ornate fjord]

This one could also be done ONLY I repeat ONLY if Devs decide so.

[eternal escarp]

be in line pixl...

[unique vector]

i believe they were denied

dnc

[eternal escarp]

wtf rude

[unique vector]

im better

anyway

[eternal escarp]

anyways just because calamity is a mod doesnt mean its going to absolutely rework the core mechanic of terraria contact damage

[unique vector]

i am also in favor of removing contact dmg with things that dont make sense

[frosty trellis]

^

[hot zephyr]

suggestion scale issue

[small timber]

wow I didn't expect having to rework every single enemies in the game is denied

[eternal escarp]

i also said that ian

[unique vector]

but also what ian said

[eternal escarp]

wtf are my messages not working.....,.,

[hot zephyr]

yes

[unique vector]

L

[hot zephyr]

it's the red, blast

[frosty trellis]

What wouldn't make sense then?

[unique vector]

anyway

point is

[ornate fjord]

Ori is too different in the aspect of gameplay goals.

[eternal escarp]

noooo the red!

[spring sail]

Just use Asgardian Aegis imo

[frosty trellis]

Bc I'm having a hard time thinking of what boss contact damage doesn't make sense

[eternal escarp]

cool dude role should be higher

[hot zephyr]

simply get the red removed...

[unique vector]

enemies that have contact dmg shouldnt be clunky or annoying to fight

[eternal escarp]

no but its my achievement i like to cherish it!

[short walrus]

2D, multiple weapons, exploration, find bosses and kill them to collect things to kill better

are you sure?

[unique vector]

if they are, either they dont need contact dmg or need to be reworked

on top of that

[small timber]

I think this one, the highlighted one, at least do make some sense

[hot zephyr]

every mob in the game issue

[ornate fjord]

Like... Earth Elemental for example..?

[unique vector]

contact dmg needs to be coherent in design

let me finish

[eternal escarp]

earth elementals move so slow hdfailure

[unique vector]

it has to be coherent in that “does this enemy, design wise, need to deal contact dmg”

[dreamy burrow]

Devs approved my anahita and leviathan summon idea 😎

[unique vector]

or “make sense to deal it”

earth elemental is a great example

[hot zephyr]

it's never too late to change our minds

[spring sail]

Calamity already removed caster ai contact dmg

[ornate fjord]

They can get an attack of swinging their blood swords with some spikes from the ground. Why not/

[eternal escarp]

i dont reslly think personally, esrth elementals just chsrge at you slowly and i dont think they are really doing jt bad

[unique vector]

it doesnt do much in the way to indicate its supposed to deal contact dmg, it doesnt swing, it doesnt charge with force across the screen, it spawns in tight cavern spaces

now

[ornate fjord]

Exactly

[unique vector]

that being said

[eternal escarp]

i always saw smthing that menacingly approaches with with charges to be dealing contact idk

[unique vector]

trying to find which things need contact dmg and which dont make sense to have contact dmg

suffers very heavily from scaling labor creep

aka this would take forever to do and would heavily impede progress on other more important things if we were to focus on it

[ornate fjord]

Considering amount of enemies in the game... It's a pain to go though every single one...

[small timber]

for normal enemy I think it will be like, unnecessarily to change them

[unique vector]

so, ideally? yes it would be nice to make contact dmg more coherent and friendly to play around bc i do believe a lot of it even in vanilla is very intrusive and counter intuitive to how combat is designed

realistically though this wont happen

[small timber]

since vanilla make them that way
the one I remember is a good change is mages since they teleport + stupid amount of CD while being a caster

[ornate fjord]

Well that's correct. But maybe if you will actually decide to address it, it can be done in a very late stage of development, basically polishing the mod.

[unique vector]

so im gonna exclaim it bc i just remembered high effort suggs are disallowed out of principle

[ornate fjord]

THIS

[unique vector]

maybe

if we care enough

half of the programming team is in constant states of burnout

so im not gonna promise that we’re ever gonna do that in the future

[ornate fjord]

I feel them... As a robotics engineer going on 30hrs straight of looking at VS and then checking if this crap works.

[ornate fjord]

Good enough for me. Was happy to hear that.

[unique vector]

oh and as a side note

[ornate fjord]

If I will have some time off work I shall at least try and fix some more prominent problems with contact DMG as an addon and make it open source.
But that only if I will get any time off...

[unique vector]

idk what prompted this but yea

ori gameplay is way too different to be compared to terraria

terraria gameplay is actually too distinct to be blanket comparing it to most games imo

[ornate fjord]

We were going though other RPGs that have CD

[ornate fjord]

If we only go through 2d games... Only thing that comes in mind, again is Starbound.

But it's still too many different game aspects.

[unique vector]

most are much more slow paced and dont have as much versatile/fast changinrg gear set building as terraria does

never played starbound

[grave zinc]

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add the "A glimpse into what will be..." tooltip to the Desert and Aquatic Scourge Relics]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[inner anvil]

It didn't get "approved", it passed the community vote, now it's in the Dev Server and the devs will vote for it.
Edit: But fortunately, it got approved.

[distant gyro]

it is

[frail mantle]

yeah

[distant gyro]

memes forgets the date

[small timber]

(I mean it is far better solution than give analev a summon, especially how often it is suggested)

[inner anvil]

What day is it?

[distant gyro]

it's sunday

[inner anvil]

It's summer vacation, I don't care about time.

[distant gyro]

friday is delivery

[inner anvil]

Then that makes sense.

Well, oopsie, woke up 5 minutes ago.

[cobalt pewter]

I think time spent within a certain depth of the ocean would be a good predictable condition for ???

[small timber]

or just a furniture

or even a deus style 'altar', but instead just be like, a 'siren rock' ? the kind of always seeing a siren sitting on it and singing to lure people

[hot zephyr]

an ancient stone harp statue,
static spawn that sits near the beginning of the ocean

you play a duet to lure in the siren

it sits unenchanted, and inert in pre-hardmode but "awakens" in hardmode

you can use the natural spawn in phm

[cobalt pewter]

play a whole ass guitar hero harp edition to spawn ???

[spring sail]

Did they made any mace function as 1.4 vanilla ones

[cobalt pewter]

Urchin Mace

[spring sail]

Are they going to make more?

[hot zephyr]

very likely

[spring sail]

And urchin mace doesn’t even drop to the ground when you hold left

[hot zephyr]

vanilla was kinda inconsistent with their own flail rework

[spring sail]

Plus it can get leagendary?

[hot zephyr]

things like flairon were skipped entirely

and most of cal's flails are flairon-style

[spring sail]

I guess Flairon is a non-mace flail

But things like urchin flail, ball’o fugu and tumbleweed look like maces

[hot zephyr]

ball of fugu is literally a flairon clone

[spring sail]

Currently yes

Should I suggest this? They are probably working on some of it

[hot zephyr]

would not be shocked if tumbleweed got reworked, it needs some love

[hot zephyr]

yeah you can, iirc

[inner anvil]

If someone did it with Exoblade, you probably can with whatever that is lmao.

[spring sail]

Make tumbleweed work like drippler crippler

[hot zephyr]

exoblade rework cool iirc

(i have yet to use it)

[spring sail]

Isn’t exoblade rework a 2.0.0.4 thing?

Oh beta tester nvm

[hot zephyr]

[inner anvil]

:xd:

No nitro!

[hot zephyr]

Memes

[inner anvil]

Ian.

[hot zephyr]

the xd emote is literally in this server

[inner anvil]

What the fuck?

[hot zephyr]

[inner anvil]

I can't, it's a nitro emote.

[hot zephyr]

IT COMES WITH YOUR XBOX

[inner anvil]

Apparently it's a static GIF.

It's a static GIF, and GIF emotes require Nitro.

[hot zephyr]

:guh:

[inner anvil]

Nevermind, found it.

It was picking the one in Dev Server?

But yeah, Ian, Exoblade rework very good.

[spring sail]

Extreme teasing right there

[inner anvil]

So true.

[spring sail]

Urchin mace and urchin flail is clashing too much imo

[eternal escarp]

im pretty sure its intended to work like a chain knife so not really missed

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair to them that's entirely consistent within vanilla, every flail that they reworked are the basic ones, that aren't launched

[eternal escarp]

true aswell

[cobalt pewter]

it's like saying Golem Fist should be reworked the same way

which is

???

[hot zephyr]

flairon totally should've been reworked tbh

[eternal escarp]

chain knife / guillotibe

[hot zephyr]

even if it meant a big change in functionality

[cobalt pewter]

I mean yeah Flairon can be reworked

but by technicality it doesn't need to

[hot zephyr]

golem fist with mace tech would be fucking hilarious and I'd pay to see it

[eternal escarp]

okay
pay up

[cobalt pewter]

blast on his way to

[eternal escarp]

tester weapon

[spring sail]

KO cannon moment

[hot zephyr]

🥺

[inner anvil]

You wish.

And I also do.

We'll probably be on the Calamity credits once we get to that someday and that's it.

[spring sail]

They’ll probably put a credit like the ones after ml behind Yharim

[eternal escarp]

but theres 2 blasts

[inner anvil]

If you're saying unironically, they can just put your real Discord name instead of the nickname you get in every server.

[eternal escarp]

i was ironic ofc byea

[hot zephyr]

your name is now Blurst

[eternal escarp]

i should just use my real name from now..

[frozen hornet]

bloshri

[spring sail]

Plus the #XXXX thingy

[eternal escarp]

paul blurst, cal cop

[eternal escarp]

so true

[stable musk]

@spring sail ❗

Isn't it going to be in the next patches

check the pins in #calamity-update-talk

[frozen hornet]

Also regarding exo weapons are their resprites close to being done or are there still a lot to sprite

[spring sail]

I saw the pins before and maces weren’t included

Did they unpin that?

[inner anvil]

👀

I won't say anything.

[frozen hornet]

last time you said that we got 3 "teasers" about ares' exoskeleton..

[inner anvil]

Wait, when did that happen?

[frozen hornet]

everywhere but here

nohit, infernum and a private server

[inner anvil]

I'm not in No-Hit neither in Infernum bruh.

[eternal escarp]

alt i think youre confused with someone else

[frozen hornet]

I know blast

it's not memes that teased it but discussion about the funny screenshot led to it

[eternal escarp]

oh youmwan

okay yeah

[inner anvil]

Okay, this time nothing of Exoblade will come out.

Well, except the 2 to 5 pixels I sent some days ago of Exoblade.

[frozen hornet]

🤨

this will prompt me to start digging

[inner anvil]

There you go, work with that lmao.

[frozen hornet]

oo

bluii

[small timber]

@merry stag a suggestion to add actual angel treads upgrade (that is not tracers) is already approved, that approach is probably way better

as if you disable the wings of tracers, well, they are just boots

[merry stag]

So are you saying its already a wip?

[small timber]

(basically by that time boots will have 2 upgrade lines: 1 tracer, 1 is basically upgraded angel treads/pure boots)

I think to certain degree yes?

[merry stag]

Okay nice, thats actually quite relieving

[small timber]

only devs know how much it is in progress (or if they started/close to finish), but I imagine if they get a suitable sprite it will be done pretty quickly

[merry stag]

I mean I'd imagine the sprite would just be the boots without the wings on the back

Right?

[small timber]

they probably will draw it differently to prevent confusion, but ya only devs know about it

[merry stag]

Ah okay

I think it would be smart to have them named "Celestial treads" and "Elysian treads" instead of tracers as well

[small timber]

depends on how they want to do it, but ya

[versed echo]

Removing astral infection chest feels pretty stupid ngl
Well only the point 2 is kinda right
Personally I prefer not having to farm for biome keys
Not to mention rogue should have one biome chest anyway
If anything aureus should drop the key not automatically unlock it lol

[stable musk]

or this but with astral enemies dropping key too

still being post -plantera

[crude geode]

Desert chest really just fucked up the whole consistency of each class getting their own biome chest

[stable musk]

Frost chest drop was a bit too underwhelming imho

[crude geode]

I like desert chest tbh but also it still fucks up some of the (small) consistency of vanilla

Surprised you went for the nuclear option over just “add a astral key”

True lol

[deft yew]

in real

[short walrus]

@quartz fog because that joke ran itself through the moment auric toilet released

also, "it'd make sense" is not a valid reasoning, and joke suggestions are a don't

[quartz fog]

but still it would be very funny if we could make Shadowspec toilet. Imagine the look on Scal's face when we use her power to make a toilet

[short walrus]

it's really not funny, get a better sense of humor

also that yeah

[quartz fog]

ok

[fossil finch]

uh

how many of these have we gotten by now

[short walrus]

too many

[eternal escarp]

atleast 11

[drowsy plank]

@spring sail

idk wtf yall were talking about but we did already get spinning maces count as true melee so????

[eternal escarp]

i commented on this like a while ago

i dont remember what came of it in the end

oh yeah, it was intentional

[frozen hornet]

oh huh

(I didn't actually check everything)

[frozen hornet]

What was the reason

[eternal escarp]

ibanpl exposed

[cobalt pewter]

I mean

not everything needs a flavor tooltip

ah

then iban's reasoning is fair

[eternal escarp]

it is odd when its the singular one out yea

[cobalt pewter]

it is just an urchin

[eternal escarp]

mhm

[cobalt pewter]

nothing much you can do about it

unless you wanna rip a line off Wikipedia

in that case

????

why

[frozen hornet]

Okay this is funny

Also why did you crop his pfp

[eternal escarp]

idk tyhats just how i did the screenshiot

[frozen hornet]

clearly you're hiding his pfp because it's a spoiler for a future update

[short walrus]

@stone junco future content suggestions and specific items are a don't

[stone junco]

damn

[short walrus]

besides, improperly formatted (would never get sent anyway)

[golden tulip]

suggestion

nerf adrenaline

please

[small timber]

(adrenaline should had been nerfed like 20 years ago)

[grim tusk]

[small timber]

at the very least massively scale down the initial value and make it scale much more with each upgrade, rather than start at triple your damage because haha skill to not get hit by boss = insta melt

(a guinea pig can nohit king slime, literally)

[golden tulip]

its not hard either

i am quite sure its just changing numbers

unfortunately i dont think such a suggestion will ever get through

[gray nebula]

tbh its not like every victide item has a tooltip directly linked to the item 100%

it could get one

but i had no inspiration

maybe it says the urchin is a real member of the sea society

maybe it talks about sea people being various sea creatures and not just all leafy sea dragons like amidias

[tardy smelt]

with the lore being as [blob] as it is rn, its not like anyone can stop you from making that canon

right?

[gray nebula]

dont tlel anyone thati am already anwyays

[tardy smelt]

lmao

[short walrus]

just imagining the urchin guy finding the urchin mace

[tardy smelt]

oh the misery

[short walrus]

"hey why is mums head on a stick"

[stable musk]

@stone junco ❗ S-I-S

[hollow shell]

We will be getting to whips later

[stable musk]

No hit for 30 seconds WHICH IS NOT SO EASY for a 200% damage boost for a few seconds.

Indirectly nerfed by rogue's low firerate due to Stealth strike requirement, but if minmaxing, it's still a huge damage boost.

But nohits...

[hollow shell]

It did.
It used to be like 1000% damage instead of 200%

[tardy smelt]

oh stealth strikes with adrenaline are uh

quite spectacular

you just gotta be careful with stealth management

[frozen hornet]

Yesus kristo

[hollow shell]

(Historical page version)
Ah it was only in Deathmode

[golden tulip]

adrenaline is still ridiculously busted

[hollow shell]

Says the no-hitter

[golden tulip]

knew that was coming

but i remain by my point

a damage boost of +%100 is already good, it would double your weapons damage

[tardy smelt]

adrenaline isn't easy to get while playing casually

[hollow shell]

You do legitimately have to consider that your perspective may be biased, on account of the fact that you have developed a playstyle (and knowledge of fights) that revolves around never getting hit

[golden tulip]

right

[tardy smelt]

its huge damage (or halved damage on one hit if you can't get to use it) if you can avoid getting damaged by the boss you were fighting for 30 seconds prior

[golden tulip]

but thats not where im coming from

[tardy smelt]

is the reward too strong?

I don't know

its hard to objectively say

[golden tulip]

i keep seeing random videos like "oh lol well i just got adrenaline and basically skipped half the boss"

thats not
fun

i guess it is in a way

eeeeeh im just not a big fan of it

[tardy smelt]

I think adrenaline's massive bonus I think its meant to heavily reward the player for learning how to avoid a boss

if you use it to skip another part of the fight, that's on you

[golden tulip]

why not massively lower the damage output, but make the duration longer

why am i discussing this it will never get through voting

[small timber]

ya that was the reason I didnt suggest it, or at least tried

#suggestions-voting message ya like, 7 months ago

(actually with all things considered it is like, not too terrible)

[stable musk]

The requirement is so high what reward justifies it

[sand ermine]

i was thinking of making a suggestion to remove the ability for hive mind/perforator cysts to spawn above the underground corruption/crimson, but im not too sure about it

[stable musk]

but in pointdevice mode nohits it's just op and leads to dq in most situations

[tardy smelt]

I'd say it is, although I'm not sure

[small timber]

the reason it should scale is because of how weapon scales: for pre-HM a single adrenaline will kill of most of the bosses from 100 to 0

[tardy smelt]

[sand ermine]

because the only reason i could really come up with is that they enrage outside the underground corruption/crimson

[tardy smelt]

that's on nohitters though

[hollow shell]

From my perspective in my playthrough
I've been running a full tank melee build, my damage output sometimes fucking sucks
Adrenaline allows me to make fights progress at an acceptable and satisfying pace

[tardy smelt]

yup

bursting with adrenaline and seeing a boss health bar go down by a massive chunk can be really satisfying i have to admit

although it ironically felt less satisfying for me while nohitting

[stable musk]

how do you get adrenaline in the first place

[small timber]

ya I think bursting a massive chunk as the standard of what adrenaline does make complete sense

my problem with adrenaline is more just often or not it is over 50% of boss hp in a single adrenaline, namely pre-HM (HM at least seems to be more balanced now compare to before, at least on most weapons)

(which is why the idea involved scaling with upgrades, not just a global nerf)

[hollow shell]

The enrage isn't like other bosses iirc
It's not meant to incentivize fighting them in either elevation, it's more so meant to make the fight fair in both elevations
You have a lot more space to maneuver on the surface, and it takes a lot more effort to create an arena underground versus the surface (especially at that stage in those biomes)

I could be wrong though. I just don't remember either of their behaviors being unmanageable on the surface

[small timber]

I think the enrage is like, not a full enrage no? like a 0.5 enrage or something instead of 1

(unless it is changed)

[sand ermine]

the enrage on the surface doesn't really feel like a full enrage though

it just feels like a lazy speed up

[stable musk]

Enraged (Malice or outside the biome) hive mind on second phase is BoC v1.9

[tardy smelt]

tank =! facetank

[tardy smelt]

^

[hollow shell]

I still try to dodge. I have all the defense to protect me if I get hit, which happens relatively often
I don't get adrenaline a lot of the time, but I do sometimes

[tardy smelt]

its meant to be just that

[small timber]

ya, basically tank is more room for mistake, not = you stop dodging

[sand ermine]

i guess

[small timber]

especially with defense damage, being a tank is basically: you die from 3 shot -> you die from 6-7 shot, which is a lot more survivability

[small timber]

I feel if it is not just a lazy speed up (eg: if it have new moves when enraged) it will create a weird dilemma where to experience the boss in its "true" form you are forced to enrage it, which I think is not ideal

[tardy smelt]

there's some ways to bump your defensiveness up into the stratosphere but at that point

you're gonna forgo having anything remotely resembling decent dps

so, good for smp's

[golden tulip]

i love my 300 defense 1k dps providence fight

[small timber]

admittedly, the dps will not be like, extremely terrible

[tardy smelt]

288 defense post-golem

[small timber]

since builds are balanced on a balance setup; you can get a lot with just potions

[drowsy plank]

normal

[hollow shell]

My DPS did kinda fucking suck at certain points like post-WoF
on account of all the beam swords

[tardy smelt]

beam sword seems decent with a tank loadout tbh

[hollow shell]

Not THE Beam Sword, I actually didn't get that till later cuz of RNG

[small timber]

oh right early-HM melee was lacking as f

[hollow shell]

Our rework to it is very funny though and I like it

Slow-ass

[tardy smelt]

i'm not sure if i would call it a rework

[hollow shell]

Rebalance, I guess

Re-niche

[tardy smelt]

it seems moreso like an absurdly extreme rebalance to me yeah

and I love it

its just absolutely hilarious and I think it did a great job at giving beam sword a stronger identity

[small timber]

(if back to adrenaline, tbh if every tester agree that adrenaline needs a nerf/rebalance there is a chance it might happen, since I dont think suggestion will ever get enough votes)

since the mod is not balanced for adrenaline anyway, and it is very known that pre-HM adrenaline is literally a one shot kill, I dont see why not

especiallly that pre-HM bosses are way easier to nohit than HM and post-ML

[golden tulip]

fingers crossed

that means, time to persuade testers

[terse sundial]

No, it's typo that just so happens to seem like an intentional pun

(I already fixed it for the next update btw)

[worthy lintel]

ok who's the bastard who stole my kill

anyways

[hollow shell]

What do you mean

Did you ask Fabsol from
2017

[golden tulip]

is draedon's heart typo also fixed

[terse sundial]

No I didn't ask Fab about it

[vapid crane]

wtf there's so many things it could be

[hollow shell]

How do you know it was a typo

[vapid crane]

"mach speed with style"
"match speed with style"
"max speed with style"

[terse sundial]

I don't know, hence the emote

I still changed it because it did not sound correct to me

Also, booster isn't that fast

[hollow shell]

:(

[terse sundial]

saying something that has mach speed implies that it would move fast... booster is kinda slow

[drowsy plank]

it used to be fast

'fore it was gutted with the reaver reworks

could prolly still be the fast one cause it's begging for a rework anyway

[terse sundial]

booster was gutted in early 2018 with the rest of the wings iirc

or late 2017 whenever it was

we've had to buff it several times over the last two years

[drowsy plank]

i see

[hollow shell]

Make it so Booster has absolute dogshit vertical acceleration but cracked horizontal speed
and
rotate its sprite 90°
so it deserves the tooltip

[terse sundial]

You can do that

[drowsy plank]

tbf booster already looks like it should go fast horizontally lmao

rotating the sprite would actually make it look more like how it functions currently

[vapid crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/552284682268442675/1003908164577669150/Mach_2_rocket.mp4

make it go fast like this fast

[terse sundial]

😲

(no)

[drifting wing]

burden breaker

[quartz magnet]

the elysian aegis is meant to drop from providence when she is killed and summoned in the underworld?

[hollow shell]

Yes.

[quartz magnet]

well its bugged for me then

[hollow shell]

And Elysian Wings are supposed to drop in the Hallow

[quartz magnet]

I got elysian wings when I killed it in both places

[hollow shell]

Did you kill her near the base of your Underground Hallow?

[quartz magnet]

ooo thats possible

lemme go check

[drowsy plank]

she also drops both when enraged but this sounds like a one-or-the-other situation

[quartz magnet]

ok it worked ty

[hollow shell]

👍

[small timber]

(Rover since while you are here), probably best to also exclaim the draedon whip suggestion in the meantime?

(since if the formatting get fix it will need to be done later)

[hollow shell]

Ah

myeah

[golden tulip]

@icy hinge theres plenty of ways to do this

[hollow shell]

@icy hinge https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Evil_Island

[golden tulip]

yes

[hollow shell]

also Ecto Mist can convert almost everything related to them anyway

[golden tulip]

(who fights a boss in half space though)

[hollow shell]

s'more like you can relocate the blocks to ground level and get spawns there

[golden tulip]

true

doesnt dryad also sell stuff from the opposite evil

[hollow shell]

I think we removed that in favor of Ecto Mist

[golden tulip]

right

so yea

plenty of ways

[hollow shell]

These aren't in vanilla for some reason

[icy hinge]

but, does it count as the respective biome?

[hollow shell]

The island itself does count as the biome yes but you tend to not get evil enemy spawns up there cuz space enemies override it
But you can dig up and place the blocks somewhere else

[icy hinge]

oh

well, good to know

[reef niche]

Hi, just wondering if keys of night/light being unavailable until a mech boss has been defeated is intentional or just a side-effect of the new early HM progression.
Itd make sense, the mimic drops are really good, but given that the mimics still spawn naturally, it seems like it was an oversight more than anything. It just makes it a lot more grindy than manually summoning them with a key

[fossil finch]

@terse sundial free change ( i imagine you know the answer to above

[terse sundial]

🤨

(same with key of night)

[hollow shell]

🤨

[fossil finch]

🤨

(how

[hollow shell]

@reef niche

[terse sundial]

We don't change the key of light/night recipe in calam

[drifting wing]

i can spawn biome mimics

[fossil finch]

no

[deft yew]

@cobalt hound You should play Infernum, NOW!

[cobalt hound]

malice is harder than infernum and they dont stack

[reef niche]

my bad sorry. I mustve misremembered it having a mythril anvil requirement. My magic storage probably just bugged because i definitely couldnt find the recipe

[deft yew]

infernum starts easier than malice

but it scales up a lot harder as you progress

[hollow shell]

1.4 Magic Storage is really buggy from my experience

[cobalt hound]

id rather it be consistently harder throughout the entire game. I don't wanna not enjoy the game until later on

when exactly does it get harder than malice

and what makes it harder

[deft yew]

you'll enjoy the game from the get-go because the difficulty is more complex than Speed Bloat

[fossil finch]

idk good proper boss design

[deft yew]

^

[fossil finch]

and the addition of actual harder attacks and patterns

[hollow shell]

Infernum has significantly more interesting challenges than Malice

[deft yew]

infernum eol for example

11 attacks

[hollow shell]

Malice just makes bosses really fast

Infernum actually gives them new attacks

[deft yew]

infernum moon lord is an absolute monster

[cobalt hound]

I would prefer something be hard than interesting

[fossil finch]

it doesnt even make projectiles faster or more punishing anymore

[cobalt hound]

idc about flashy new attacks

[fossil finch]

it's legitimately just

ok

[deft yew]

infernum is hard and interesting

[golden tulip]

lol

[fossil finch]

then go play master ftw bullshit mode i don't care

malice is not going to be readded anwyay

[hollow shell]

Fabsol?

[deft yew]