suggestions-discussion

[golden tulip]

nice

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren You need to add a reason to your suggestion
(separated from your title line using a line break, Shift+Enter)

And ideally it should not be "it'd be funny"

[fossil finch]

Iban exploding as he sees the leviathan sprite completely butchered by the size multiplier

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren That is an incredibly weak reason.

[dapper violet]

You can also get it from fishing as of 1.3 vanilla

[hollow shell]

You can indeed get it from fishing

But only the PreHM Wooden Crate, at a 1/53 (1.89%) chance

Pearlwood Crate has no Extractinator, which seems like an oversight

[grave zinc]

@narrow otter - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Death Mode Boss Relics]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[crude geode]

surprised that passed

[hollow shell]

The old art trick

Formerly the old sprite trick

[drifting wing]

hey rover drive you know your way around game files right

[hot zephyr]

i guarantee if there wasn't cool concept art

it wouldn't have passed

[hollow shell]

Yes I suppose so
What is it that you want to know

[drifting wing]

where do steam games put there music and how would i go about switching those files with different songs

specifically multiversus

[hollow shell]

That is completely irrelevant for this channel

[drowsy plank]

wh

why would you even ask that here

[hollow shell]

And Steam games are all programmed and organized in different ways
It's not like Steam as a platform requires developers to manage their files in a certain way

[vapid crane]

wait but infernum is doing it too right?

[drowsy plank]

infernum already has infernum relics yeah

[vapid crane]

I heard that suggestion inspired them

[drifting wing]

my b just wanted some insight w/o pinging a dev

[hollow shell]

You'd have more luck just asking random users in gen-talk or gen-media

[sand ermine]

wait

sand arenas?

[hollow shell]

I don't think you would be running on sand a lot even when you're doing fights in the desert

[brisk bison]

Long platforms with sand you can zoom across with dunerider boots. It makes some bosses really fun. It works as an alternative to asphalt

[hollow shell]

Usually you're on platforms, and there are no platforms that I recall the Duneriders working with

Alright, first time I've heard of that

[brisk bison]

You make a bridge of sand, with a supporting block underneath

[sand ermine]

i think doing that isnt too useful tho

the only two bosses i can see that being viable on is like, EoC and DS

maybe the twins?? idk

[brisk bison]

I simply thought it odd that the terraspark boots dont have it in vanilla terraria

[sand ermine]

actually it would sorta work on the wall of flesh

[hot zephyr]

that sugg kinda ruins the uniqueness of the dunerider boots tbh

cooler suggestion: remove the dunerider boots from the spectre group and have it get a later upgrade....

[brisk bison]

Maybe a seperate version of the terraspark boots that has the feature only if you craft it with dunerider? Maybe just a palette swap to the terraspark boots for a sprite?

[brisk bison]

Thats would be cool

[hot zephyr]

hellfire treads and fairy boots my beloved

[short walrus]

the snow ruffian wing vanity would be a better fit for calval

yo @static prawn theres this cool mod called Calamities Vanities that adds a whole bunch of Vanity stuff to do with cal, might have better luck suggesting it there

[hollow shell]

I don't recall seeing that in CalVal which surprises me. Shouldn't be hard to add, all the sprites already exist cept for an item sprite

[static prawn]

yea that would be a better place to put it

[short walrus]

the good ending

[hot zephyr]

calamity x calval merger when 🥺

[hollow shell]

I am fine with them being separate

[hot zephyr]

hi "fine with them being separate" i'm Ian

[swift wharf]

VERY TRUE

stuffing more effects into terraspark is kinda cringe

[brisk bison]

I just dont like giving up the sand effect when I upgrade the boots

[swift wharf]

ehhh

this is more of a "why does dunerider upgrade into terraspark" issue

[brisk bison]

True

Should I change my suggestion to "give dunerider boots a better upgrade than spectre boots?"

[swift wharf]

yeah that sounds better

fairy and hellfire boots were reworked so like

oh btw you can just edit the suggestion instead of deleting it but that works

[small timber]

Why does everyone hate cnidrian so much, it is literally just a bigger normal enemy

[swift wharf]

also they drop sturdy fossils now

[small timber]

Ya

[vapid crane]

I hate how when you kill it it just vanishes but I think that's changed in the nxt update

[hollow shell]

@tranquil plover

We have plans for them

[tranquil plover]

well

you should've done it earlier

[hollow shell]

They will make it significantly more interesting

ay have patience, we've got a lot on our plate

[brisk bison]

Ya, from fixing T-mods mistake, to adding over 100 things so far, they are having a heck of a time

[hollow shell]

A much better Dunerider suggestion, Wizard, good work

[brisk bison]

Thanks, do you think it will make it into the voting?

Also, could you explain how voting works?

[hollow shell]

24 hours after you post your suggestion, if it doesn't have any invalidating problems ( ❗ ), it's moved to #suggestions-voting
People can add stars to suggestions they support
At a certain time every week, the bot takes all the suggestions from a 1-week span (starting 2 weeks ago and ending 1 week ago), and compares all of the stars they got
The suggestions with the top 20% amount of stars get moved to the dev server, where the devs then officially give their judgement on whether or not they want to implement the suggestion

[brisk bison]

Alright, thank you for explaining

[hollow shell]

[crude geode]

So true

[short walrus]

please no

[gray nebula]

developers when they just dont make the whole mod better at once

[sharp rapids]

does the 24h count consider "edited" ones?

[hollow shell]

Editing does not refresh the timer

[sharp rapids]

like, if i sent one 1pm, but edited it 3pm, would it be up 1pm or 3pm?

[hollow shell]

You can keep editing the suggestion throughout the full 24 hour timespan

[sharp rapids]

thanks! and sorry for the ping, i forgot to disable it.

[hollow shell]

It's aight

[small timber]

I think the problem with dunerider is just calamity nerf it sufficiently that it is not super useful pass pre-HM

since for HM you have asphalt, which while is also nerfed basically replace the necessity of dunerider boots completely

@barren chasm may you elaborate why the recipe does not make sense? since it is still a sniper rifle, it also has defense ignore mechanic (at least partially, since AMR is mostly from marked) and so on

ok, I didnt see the later part, I dont think anti material rifle is stronger than tyranny's end

[frozen hornet]

If AMR is weaker than Tyr's why not buff Tyr's instead

[hollow shell]

Yeah idk what you mean by "more powerful"
It's a tier below

[brisk bison]

Maybe an upgrade that takes a few other components, you could make an upgrade to the boots that can continue to be strong in hardmode

[small timber]

tyranny's end completely ignore defense

[hollow shell]

If it's a balancing issue then it's a balancing issue, the stats should be changed and not the recipe

[small timber]

that is why it has a lower base damage

[frozen hornet]

Can you provide boss kill times with both weapons

[hollow shell]

uh oh
Were you just looking at their base damages

[swift wharf]

this does sound like a base damage moment

[frozen hornet]

Truly a

[swift wharf]

or a magic storage dps moment

or a test dummy moment

[small timber]

despite the tooltip, Anti Material's 'bypass defense' is that it apply Marked debuff, which Tyranny's End also apply
and on top of that, Tyranny's End ALSO ignore defense and DR

[swift wharf]

aaand it's gone

[small timber]

isnt you already can disable adrenaline/rage as a config?

since boss rush curse is enabled/disabled through config anyway so I think it do count, let me check

ok apparently not, only config is to display the bar/move the bar

[hot zephyr]

you can unbind the buttons

[gray nebula]

just

dont use it

[small timber]

time to suggest this when the difficulty enable/disable item change get through :troll:

[hollow shell]

tbf there is one unavoidable aspect of the two and it's the Adrenaline compensation DR

getting hit while the meter is full

Even if you unbind the buttons you can still experience that

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Which can be used very strategically

I'm fine with a boss rush curse that disables the two. We already have dash disabling which is quite insane, since dashing is really huge against stuff like terminus yharon and aureas

[hollow shell]

I'm just waiting for the day the curses get moved out of the configs menu and become their own items

Or, removed entirely

[frosty trellis]

I don't see why they can't be there

Any reason why they can't stay in the configs? Especially since those curses make sense from a lore perspective?

Removing malice made sense, but is there a reason to remove the curses?

[lofty hedge]

Does anyone really use them?

[frosty trellis]

Some do

I haven't tried bc I can't for the life of me get past terminus SCal in boss rush normally

[lofty hedge]

Right there with ya.

[frosty trellis]

Malice AI bullet speed increase is not something I'm good at

[hollow shell]

The config menu is no place to have exclusive content like that, it is primarily meant for things like settings, toggling visuals, things that edit vanilla mechanics, etc

[frosty trellis]

Fair enough

[hollow shell]

They are out of place

[frosty trellis]

Having them as items would make more sense

Since it would make it easier for players to see that they exist

And try it out

Can just be in the terminus chest as well

For simplicity

[lofty hedge]

Items would also make people use them more, since most people don't notice the configs (especially when they're tucked all the way at the bottom.)

[frosty trellis]

True

[small timber]

I think it is just the curses are a bit unreasonable that making it a config will probably be more appropriate

since I dont think 99.99% of the player want to play boss rush with their HP regen disabled

[hollow shell]

(also idk why they would make sense from a "lore perspective" as you said
I don't recall Xeroc having any animosity for people "dashing" or "regenerating health")

[small timber]

to certain degree those curses are "disable a specific mechanic of the game" rather than "make the boss rush more challenging"

[hollow shell]

(Then again we haven't really gotten to Terminus and the Boss Rush as part of the lore rework yet
We have plenty on Xeroc itself and the origin of the universe, but not much on how the people of the world interact with Xeroc, yet)

[frosty trellis]

Can make it work then

[hot zephyr]

Difficulty items 2

[hollow shell]

Yeah, removing them would fit in with our purge of items like Defiled and Iron Heart

(the regen curse is very similar to Iron Heart, in fact)

[hot zephyr]

If they're too remain they should remain functionalities of Terminus itself tbh

Wouldn't mind if they just were

Gone

[small timber]

(readd iron heart as a hardcore specific mode when)

[hot zephyr]

i'm going to stab you

[lofty hedge]

Never.

[small timber]

nono I mean combine both the HP regen disable effect + hardcore

[drowsy plank]

i like the challenges for boss rush, but honestly it'd be cool if terminus, being an altar and all, was placeable, and you could just control them from there

[small timber]

not the "return to boss only hardcore" iron heart

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[small timber]

my idea was:

[Iron Heart Mode] (since I dont know how the new difficulty are toggled)

• This difficulty can only be activated within the first 5 minutes of world creation, and can never be disabled once activated.
• This difficulty only applies to Hardcore character.
• When activated, the player gain 400 max health instantly, and are immune to all type of debuff/damage overtime effect from all sources.
• The player also take massively reduced damage (95% DR)
• However, all damage taken are deducted from the Max HP instead of their current HP, and cannot be regain in any way (Life Fruit and other HP upgrade still give you their dedicated amount, but cannot be used to regain more than their original limit)
• Item or buff that increase Max HP (such as Life force potion) do not work
• If your character reach 0 Max HP, it perished, permanently

by ya, probably way too far fetch for this to ever get suggested, just an idea that I thought of previously

[frosty trellis]

Make a mod for it then

[hollow shell]

I was gonna comment on the balance and dynamic of this proposal

[small timber]

too potato at moding for that, since I imagine making damage reduce max hp probably will be IL edit territory

[hollow shell]

but like, s'not suggestible, so there's not much point

[small timber]

ye

[burnt condor]

I do think it'd be fascinating as an external mod

[crude geode]

#suggestions-discussion try to make a mod themselves challenge (it is impossible)

[small timber]

@ashen warren I mean... that will probably still be like too similar to the current? and ya reasons other than 'it will be cool'

[ashen warren]

the current is literally just a cosmic worm

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren Your suggestion is okay but you should not give this new item a name

(sorry for double ping)

[ashen warren]

it's fine lol

[ashen warren]

fixed

[hollow shell]

A "hole punch", eh

Like, the office tool?

[ashen warren]

basically, lol

[hollow shell]

That would be a bit too silly for a major boss's summon item

[ashen warren]

it's pretty simplistic while also fitting with the devourer of gods i think

[hollow shell]

Why is it fitting

[ashen warren]

i mean i don't think it should be completely undervalued simply because the devourer of gods is a major post-moon lord boss

[small timber]

I do think maybe an upgraded Rune of Kos (but not direct upgrade since you have to make it again to fight sentinels), maybe a literal "providence core" (not the current profaned core) might fit

[ashen warren]

the devourer of gods is a giant worm that travels across dimensions from rift to rift

[hollow shell]

Why an office tool then

[ashen warren]

the rifts it create are obviously holes that it uses to travel through into its next location

[small timber]

I mean, travelling through manipulating dimension and rifts are a lot different from punch a hole on a piece of paper, at least the scale of it

[hollow shell]

You could suggest a blade to cut through spacetime, or a hammer to smash a hole in spacetime, or an explosive to blow a hole in spacetime

[ashen warren]

i wasn't thinking it should literally just be a plain old office tool, but rather an actual rift hole punch

[frosty trellis]

Just a device to make a rift

To wherever DoG comes from

[ashen warren]

^ or literally anything similar like that

[hollow shell]

Just the fact that you're calling it a "hole punch" is what is evoking the silly imagery

[ashen warren]

it doesn't necessarily have to be a hole punch

[burnt condor]

I do think a more thematically relevant summon would b cool (whether a dimensional rift opener or some sort of god bait) but the specificity of the hole puncher might kneecap this a bit yeah

[frosty trellis]

You don't want to punch a hole in spacetime only for a giant fucking murder worm to come and kill you?

Bc that sounds badass as hell

You think you are the one that is controlling spacetime

When in reality you are about to get literally devourered

Power move by DoG

[hollow shell]

The silly part isn't that you're punching a hole through space-time, it's that you're doing it with this

[short walrus]

the explosive could be cool for an exactly pinpointable summon area

[frosty trellis]

PFFFFFFFFF

[hollow shell]

That's a hole puncher

[ashen warren]

the reason why i specifically said hole puncher though is because similar to how an ordinary hole puncher would crunch through paper and make a hole, a spacetime hole puncher would be crunching the fabric of spacetime

[ashen warren]

but like i said, it doesn't necessarily have to be an ordinary hole puncher

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

Honestly? That would be amazing. The three sentinels give you the materials for a hole puncher

[ashen warren]

it can also be a device that opens up a rift too

[small timber]

then in that case you probably dont have to mention hole puncher in the suggestion

[hollow shell]

Then remove that term from your suggestion please

[ashen warren]

in fact yeah i'll edit it lol

[frosty trellis]

Just a device that makes a rift

And do whatever the hell you want with that

[ashen warren]

there

[hollow shell]

ok thank you

Suggestion is totally acceptable now I think

[ashen warren]

should be better now

[frosty trellis]

It's not a major change, not specific

[hollow shell]

so, ye s'all good

[frosty trellis]

And purely cosmetic that makes thematic sense

Also, being able to control where DoG spawns would be so nice

It's a guessing game where it spawns half the time

Doesn't change death dog from being a complete joke, but besides the point

[crude geode]

Dog’s gonna get reworked five hundred times and people will still fucking hate the fight

[frosty trellis]

I hate him on rev

On death he is a joke

Beings unpredictable with annoying AI to Being extremely predictable

[proper girder]

will two dog spawn, if punching two holes with this?

[hollow shell]

The new Duke fishing pole technique

[ashen warren]

prepare for trouble and make it double?

[proper girder]

double the laser walls?

[hollow shell]

@kindred creek Did you intend for this to be a rewrite of the other suggestion in posting

[kindred creek]

Did someone else already suggest this?

I haven’t been on the server in a while

[hollow shell]

Scroll up in #suggestions-posting like 5 messages

[kindred creek]

Oh, my bad

I’ll get rid of it.

[hollow shell]

idk how two people could have the same rather extreme idea within a few hours of each other and not be connected

[kindred creek]

It’s not an extreme idea. What is the purpose of the Cnidrion? How does it serve to progress the game in any way?

[hollow shell]

I mean that I don't think we've ever gotten a suggestion to remove Cnidrion before

Rework it, sure, but never remove

And now here we have two at the same time

I said it to the other guy and I'll say it now too
We have plans for Cnidrion, that will make it much more interesting

[gray nebula]

damn this shit got removed before I could finish reading it

[kindred creek]

Is it to just make it more interesting to fight or are you actually giving it good loot?

[gray nebula]

to be honest it's removed for all intents and purposes

[hollow shell]

It is getting heavily reworked you could say eyah

[gray nebula]

next update it drops sturdy fossils

when it gets reworked it becomes fun to fight (hopefully

and not just wallclip demon

[kindred creek]

Bruh, I can just mine for sturdy fossils

What is the use of a mini-boss dropping them when it’s 100x easier to just extractinate for them

[hot zephyr]

^

[burnt condor]

the guy's annoying especially early on but I don't think he needs to be removed entirely I think it's a fun signal that hey something's going on in the desert in calamity

[hot zephyr]

there's plans for cnidrion in the future

it's just in a weird spot after victide being moved

[kindred creek]

A fun fight doesn’t justify terrible loot. And most of the time when you encounter them you’re either severely underpowered and get 2 shot, or you’ve killed desert scourge and absolutely wreak them

[proper girder]

nice

[gray nebula]

oomfie

[hollow shell]

Calm down

[gray nebula]

shut up

respectfully obviously

u have no idea about the rework

the sturdy fossils are just a temporary thing

the rework will make it good like trust me like come on

[hot zephyr]

it's kinda uhhh
obvious
if it's getting a big rework there will be a reason to justify cnidrion's existence....

[gray nebula]

better loot better fight

not just better fight and still no loot

[proper girder]

nice

[kindred creek]

Why not just make it not attack you unless you provoke it?

Like giant clam

[gray nebula]

oomfie

thags unrelated

wait a bit OK like trust me like wait a month or two and there we go OK OK we good

[kindred creek]

Yeah, ok

Ima come back in two months and suggest again to remove it.

[gray nebula]

cnidrion can be boring for just a lil longer it won't kill anyone

[kindred creek]

It literally will

[hot zephyr]

[gray nebula]

you're gonna come back in two months to me with the biggest grin on my face as u get a monumental L handed to u

lmfao

:trollgus:

[kindred creek]

Putting it on my calendar

October 6th: Suggest Calamity Devs to remove Cnidrion

[hollow shell]

Iban you've now put a release date on the Sunken Sea update

[hot zephyr]

no

he put a release date on cnidrion 2

[distant gyro]

cnidrion 2 dlc

[hot zephyr]

the final course

[gray nebula]

bruh it's not sunken sea update what

cnidrion is a desert "" miniboss""

u know it

(miniboss aka 1 attack and just a marginally fatter hp pool

(but not even cuz he doesn't have enough anyway

[hollow shell]

I figured it was gonna be a part of that update

considering
It's on its Trello

[kindred creek]

Could y’all add a pinned comment to suggestion posting to stop suggesting crafting recipes for items you have to find?

[hot zephyr]

no

[gray nebula]

ur the one to have put it there idk

[hot zephyr]

some of them are more valid than others

[kindred creek]

Bruh, but a magic Conch crafting recipe?

[gray nebula]

I wasn't intending it to be ss update related unless it can be considered an early hype builder

[kindred creek]

I’ve probably found like 3-4 every run

[hot zephyr]

don't star it

[hollow shell]

It'll be hard to justify cuz Calamity does it for so many items already and there's not much separating more recent suggestions for it from the ones already in place

[hot zephyr]

so shrimple

[gray nebula]

omw to suggest to

[hot zephyr]

do not

[gray nebula]

remove crafting

[hot zephyr]

true!

[gray nebula]

anyways gn

[quiet kernel]

Maybe there shouldnt be recipes for items

[hollow shell]

Nah I didn't put it there
That was uhh
Phup

[quiet kernel]

Everything should be grinded from mobs

[hot zephyr]

i wish the suggestions were cooler tbh.... not EVERYTHING needs to be a crafting recipe... we can introduce additional ways to get these items without crafting.....

[distant gyro]

magic conch randomly dropping from a shell pile

[quiet kernel]

Man I cant write anything today

[hot zephyr]

although it's like
a 14% drop chance from desert crates anyways why do you need a recipe

[kindred creek]

I find about 3-4 in the desert houses anyways after looting the underground desert.

[proper girder]

it's not guaranteed though

[hot zephyr]

boohoo

[hollow shell]

Read: Desert Crates

The fishing ones, which are unlimited

[quiet kernel]

Players dont like fishing because they have to get everything instantly and go to fight a new boss

[kindred creek]

Fishing OP. RIP reaver shark

[hot zephyr]

it's a 1/7 roll when you open an oasis crate

oasis minibiomes even come with their own dedicated pool that spawns a bunch of bait....

[kindred creek]

Can we get a calamity game mode where the only way to get items is from fishing and you can’t craft anything?

[quiet kernel]

Most of the players just cant cool down and take a break on the bosses and GRIND

[hot zephyr]

Why not just

Not craft

Why do you need Calamity to add something you can do yourself (or not do, in this instance)

[kindred creek]

True

Time for a Fishing only run

You honestly could probably get to ML with only fishing

It’d be hard tho

[hot zephyr]

I don't think we'll end up with any new gamemodes going forward

after culling all the quirky modes I doubt we'd add any more

[kindred creek]

Is infernum a 3rd party thing or is that developed by the calamity devs?

[hollow shell]

It's developed by a Calamity dev

But it's external

Not official

[kindred creek]

Why don’t y’all just make it AN official thing?

I mean, an actual dev is already working on it.

[hollow shell]

Because Dom likes his creative freedom

And we like not having that workload

[kindred creek]

Oh, makes sense

[drowsy plank]

i mean fargos straight up slaps it on a debuff so. also im p sure max HP reduction is on an item in ExampleMod

[drowsy plank]

im going to kill you do you know how fucking annoying it is to get sturdy fossils for fossil armor. you need to put like 900 fossil blocks through the extractinator because most of the time you dont even get a fossil. guarnteed sturdy fossil from a common enemy is literally the best thing cnidrion has ever done

[small timber]

I mean for the idea to work if have to be permanent

and make it apply to hardcore only, and make it persist pass relogging

[kindred creek]

Seems like you don’t grind hard enough.

Gold armor + chisel + mining potion makes the grind for stuff like that fast af

[drowsy plank]

it's literally rng, i mined plenty it's just slow sometimes

[kindred creek]

That’s fair, but that’s how it feels for a lot of items. The ones I think are the worst to grind for are shrines, but I do it anyways. Takes time, but grinding materials is literally just something that is done in terraria. I personally dislike how much calamity reduces the classic grind that is normally present in terraria.

I personally just do king slime and desert scourge using mini shark or boom stick or musket and go straight to victide.

Use platinum armor for the defense.

[short walrus]

new whips are going to be added, but just wait and see for what the devs will do

[ashen warren]

I know new whips are going to be added. My suggestion is specifically about bonuses and equipments geared for whips.

[drowsy plank]

before we add whip content we need whips

also tiki is likely going to be turned into a whip set in vanilla so you'll have that too

[short walrus]

^^^

[drowsy plank]

i believe this exact same sugg was offered and given this response by devs

[ashen warren]

Neat. But yeah, my suggestion still stands. I already know they're planning on doing new whips.

[drowsy plank]

kinda future-content-y

[short walrus]

it doesnt though, thats the point of what afflatus said

[ashen warren]

I just love what the Obsidian Outlaw Set did as its Set Bonus and would love to see more.

[short walrus]

it was posted before, and it was rejected before

[small timber]

abit late, but another thing is calamity seems to put much more focus on summons rather than whips, and whips almost is intended to be a summon support weapon
and this is on top of things like removing whip stacking which makes whips' direct damage even lower

so the idea of whip focus armor in calamity will be fine, but it most likely will be somewhat useless; unless it also offer on-par minion stats compare to on-tier full summoner armor

[spring sail]

Is there a confirmed plan to add sulfurous, brimstone and astral torches? If not I’m suggesting that

[keen zodiac]

mmmmmmno

there is not i'm 99% sure

[small timber]

I tend to not like HP conditional effect (namely those that is only worthwhile below certain threshold), since they tend to be super inconsistent

[short walrus]

@ashen warren no suggestions about making specific playstyles more viable

i think this counts, right?

[small timber]

I think it is, probably not?

since it is not really subclass

[spring sail]

I don’t think that counts

[short walrus]

kinda counts for the "make playing a certain way better" bit i suppose

[small timber]

the suggestion boils down to "give more accessory that works/have effect based on HP%"

[short walrus]

its not, its making accessories that keep you at a specific health

[small timber]

not sure, probably just left it for mods to decide; but for me it probably is not subclass

oh right, ya that is probably specific item suggestion

depend on how mods judge it though, since he can alter the reasoning abit and it will not really become SIS

[spring sail]

If that counts as specific item wouldn’t the torches count?

[small timber]

I think cosmetic item tend to get more laxed, since you cant really be less specific about them

(and 'biome torch' is probably non-specific enough)

[spring sail]

I think the specific item is just more like weapons

[ashen warren]

Thanks for responding guys. The 40% stands there rather for stylistic means. Just as an example of how auch an item could look like. I just felt anything that could support threshold builds would ne great.

[spring sail]

The item that helps you stay at some specific health is a pretty good idea, the no hitters used to utilize iron heart to make things like necklace of vexation better

[hollow shell]

Definitely doesn't apply here

[short walrus]

ok then good to have that clarified

[hollow shell]

This suggestion is not asking for a "I want to do a playthrough where I only use accessories that have HP requirements, add this item to give me better control during that playthrough"

He's asking for such an item just, in general
For when those builds come up

[spring sail]

@hollow shell So may I ask if Krankwagon the dedicatee of face melter is still around?

[hollow shell]

Likewise, you can make suggestions asking for more true melee content or sentry summoner content or ranger flamethrower content
As long as your reasoning is not "I am purposely restricting myself to using only these weapons"

[hollow shell]

Uhh lemme check

[ashen warren]

Thanks for clarifications Rover.

[hollow shell]

@spring sail They are still in the server, hasn't messaged since 2021 but they may respond to a ping or DM

What was it you planned on suggesting, again?

[spring sail]

Add stellar tune to face melter’s recipe

Along side other recipe changes

[hollow shell]

@teal wolf

Here is them.

[hot zephyr]

naaaaah just make the chest consistent with the other vanilla biome keys...

drops from any astral enemy! unlocked after plant! epic!

no

go ask red for ocean key

space key

hell key

[short walrus]

mushroom key when

[austere cargo]

why do people keep wanting to mine slower?

[hot zephyr]

idk but you'll get your wish in the next patch

[swift wharf]

"calamity mining speed buffs should be a toggle"
*installs veinminer*

[hot zephyr]

you can now disable the 4% jump speed increase cal gives you at base

[proper girder]

sad

[hot zephyr]

(it's a toggle)

(off by default)

[small timber]

next up will be config to disable the movement speed rework so you can return to the state where MS is useless

[hot zephyr]

[fossil mural]

Config to disable everything

Disable the warding buff

Disable defense damage

[hot zephyr]

The simplest disable config is to

Uninstall the Mod

[drowsy plank]

toggle to disable vanilla
i will play calamity without terraria

[swift wharf]

based

[small timber]

after the update is up, next suggestion will be something like:
'Config to Revert Calamity Buffs to Defensive Items'
Reason: 12 defense ankh shield? 20 defense Hero Shield? tf is the devs smoking, they have NO IDEA how to balance the game, their needs to overbuffed every single item in the game disguss me
(but defense damage exist...)
DUDE WTF IS THIS, you are ruining Terraria, this mechanic make defense useless omg why are this not a config already

but ya tldr people can find any reason to just dislike a change

[swift wharf]

the more configs exist

the more configs ppl will ask for

[cobalt pewter]

yeah which is why I'm against the configs cal will add next update

seems like catering to the lowest denominator and it'll just enable the idiots to hound further about more configs

[small timber]

advantage: less config suggestion about turning off mining speed and movement speed buff
disadvantage: more config suggestion

[swift wharf]

make it a don't

[cobalt pewter]

not sure, has something like that been brought up before

[swift wharf]

I don't think so

[small timber]

it is kinda hard to be a dont since there will be things where the only reasonable way to do it is via config

[swift wharf]

byeah

how dare the devs modify a vanilla feature

[small timber]

like things like goblin tinkerer reforge for mod compatibility and so on, but ya

[cobalt pewter]

I think it shouldn't be a don't but would suffice as suggestion guideline

(e.g. don't jump into configs immediately as a solution)

[swift wharf]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

honestly

I would like for sulph sea to get a biome chest instead of astral

or idk maybe astral will get a rework in the future

and it won't feel as barebones as it is rn

[spring sail]

Stardisk is just hard to use

[crude geode]

@ashen warren you write this sugg like VANILLA is consistent with biome chests. Summoner gets 2 for some reason, and half the vanilla biomes aren't represented. The main reason for the astral chest is for a rogue "biome chest" weapon.

[spring sail]

Like most other vanilla biome chest weapons 💀

[swift wharf]

plantera can be fought anytime too

[crude geode]

byeah the easier solution is just to. make a astral key but that would require

spritework!!!!!!!!

the horror

#suggestions-voting message

love that this somehow managed to slip through

[spring sail]

I think the author actually wrote it longer

And someone at this channel said to make it simpler

[fossil finch]

The fucking horror

What the absolute

[swift wharf]

@timber quarry for balance issues, ping a tester

(Check the pins)

[orchid briar]

Pumpler buff

[fossil finch]

None of those words are on the bible

[swift wharf]

HOLD THE FUCK UP

BUFF PUMPLER

[timber quarry]

I mean pumpler is trash if you ask me

[neat linden]

pumpler buff holy shit

[timber quarry]

4 chargers and it does 1 damage

[neat linden]

it's getting nerfed in 2.0.0.4 isn't it

[swift wharf]

This isn't real This isn't real This isn't real This isn't real

[hot zephyr]

it's getting fixed

[neat linden]

well yeah

[hot zephyr]

to not have the funky bug

[swift wharf]

my brother in christ

[hot zephyr]

so technically, yeah

[swift wharf]

pumpler deals 10% of boss hp

[neat linden]

said fix nerfs it

technically

[swift wharf]

[fossil finch]

Also no it's not bad

[neat linden]

current pumpler is just what the hell

[swift wharf]

pumpler on its way to make infernum bosses take 30 seconds

[timber quarry]

I personaly like more weapon which are easyer to use

[hot zephyr]

if aquashard sucks at aerialite it needs to be buffed to be better
losing aerialite is pretty much out of the question

[fossil finch]

that's not fault of pumpler it's you being mid

[swift wharf]

it needs it so it's post hive only

^^^^^^^^

and it's not hard to use

what

[timber quarry]

It isnt hard to use but i use Fungicide and its way better

[swift wharf]

literally hold m1 for 2 seconds and release

boom

the boss loses 10% of its hp

[timber quarry]

I beat skeletron with Fungicide

[swift wharf]

anyways that suggestion is a nono

[swift wharf]

refer to this

[timber quarry]

Who is even a tester

[crude geode]

[inner anvil]

Who will get chosen in the roulette today?

[crude geode]

[solid tartan]

isnt it sunday?

I meant

saturday

[inner anvil]

Of course.

[fossil finch]

and?

[timber quarry]

You might as well be cause you replyed

[inner anvil]

Man fuck!

[solid tartan]

and the bot does the thing on Friday

afaik

[fossil finch]

Testers have 24 hour work days

[solid tartan]

Oh

[swift wharf]

ian already said smth about aquashard

I remember someone saying that galeforce was mid I am not sure

[inner anvil]

Ian was the first tester to say something!
Alright, I'll do it, what do I need to test today?

[hot zephyr]

He was forced to test Ranger

(I'm playing Jacob and Esau)

[swift wharf]

galeforce and toxic bow i g?

[hot zephyr]

(It can always be worse, Memes)

[swift wharf]

my condolences

aquashard was pretty good in my experience against skeletron

[inner anvil]

He was forced to play Jacob And Esau for the best unlocks.

[neat linden]

the ones from recent suggestion of #suggestions-posting so aquashard, toxibow, pumpler and galeforce

[swift wharf]

remove pumpler from that list

[inner anvil]

Man, quadruple trouble!

[swift wharf]

[inner anvil]

What's up with Pumpler?

[swift wharf]

nothing

well it's op

but that's fixed next update

[inner anvil]

Well, not in my version.

[neat linden]

pumpler is bugged rn so

yeah

[fossil finch]

op is delusional and thinks pumpler sucks

[inner anvil]

Lol I guess?

Terrible statement.

[swift wharf]

so just the 3 I think

[inner anvil]

So Aquashard, Toxibow and Galeforce?

[swift wharf]

yea

[timber quarry]

Aquashard, toxic bow, pumpler, Galeforce and go by the Class setup recommanded bossed and fight them with the weapons recommanded to them and try Fungicide instead of Aquashard shotgun with basic musket balls so it gets full effect to see how better it is compare to Aquashard

[inner anvil]

I'm a tester, I know what equipment to use.

[swift wharf]

aquashard was pretty good last time I used it tho

[night jolt]

OK, maybe I'm just missing something obvious

But whats stopping you from just putting the Snow Ruffian wings in your vanity slot?

[fossil finch]

The fact you need the entire armor maybe

[swift wharf]

yea

[inner anvil]

Ah, I remember testing Galeforce a month ago.

So only 2.

[night jolt]

Oh, never used the Snow Ruffian armor

[swift wharf]

how was galeforce

[inner anvil]

Balanced.

[fossil finch]

Also i think they're overwritten by normal wings anyway

[swift wharf]

oh whoops

[inner anvil]

Alright, I'll get to it.

[timber quarry]

Well toxic bow is gonna be fun for him to test it

[inner anvil]

I know, right?

[swift wharf]

5 damage

lo

[timber quarry]

Even slime king is gonna ruin your day if you pull that weapon

[inner anvil]

I hate that thing.

[timber quarry]

Then tell people its unbalanced

I dont even wanna touch it

[inner anvil]

Me neither.

[swift wharf]

I don't expect a slow, 5 dmg weapon to be good

[timber quarry]

And not only that slow projectiles

[swift wharf]

wait I forgor arrows have damage

[timber quarry]

Yeah but slow toxic arrows

[swift wharf]

yea

[timber quarry]

Hit Eye of Cthulhu with it while enraged

[small timber]

how tf do you get suggestion to have that many words

[timber quarry]

If you wanna buff a few weapons you get this many words

I even passed the limit of 2300 words

[small timber]

but ya regardless, you dont have to be that specific

[swift wharf]

you need 0 of those words in suggestion posting

[small timber]

because testers who directly use the weapon will have much better idea of how the numbers will line up; if you just put numbers into them only random results will come out

[small timber]

all you need to do is basically just list the weapons you think as underpowered, and just ping tester to test them (though from what I see above, it seems some of them are already addressed)

[timber quarry]

I see

I feel like there should be a list of weapons who are balanced

So people dont ping testers again for the same weapon

[hot zephyr]

sandbox changes result in things once balanced to become unbalanced

you can just discord search tbh

[timber quarry]

Eh for the first time doing this is ok

[fossil finch]

It's literally impossible to make a list of weapons that are balanced that's not how it

,

[timber quarry]

Yeah i guess so cause different people different skills

You arent gonna be good with the same weapon like other people

[inner anvil]

@timber quarry Tested Toxibow, it's bad.

Will get to the other weapon in a bit.

[small timber]

not just different skill level, different build matters too

some weapon (especially preHM) damage get multiplied with like shark tooth necklace

[neat linden]

toxibow rn is low damage and inflicts irradiated which isn't so strong

[timber quarry]

Yeah thats why it needs a buff

[neat linden]

it used to be sulphurous poisoning and that was quite strong

too strong, even

[timber quarry]

I personaly think it should do around 15 damage or more so at least it can kill king slime

[inner anvil]

I mean, it can kill Crabulon.

Which is what I did.

[timber quarry]

Well Eye of Cthulhu is no way this weapon can kill it

[neat linden]

80hp/s and iirc a lot of enemies had a vulnerability pre boss

which means toxibow went from very goddamn strong to uhh

[swift wharf]

how about making it inflict acid venom?

[timber quarry]

I wanna boil it in lava

Or maybe dont work on with inflicting strong debuff and it instead does more base damage

[swift wharf]

irradiated kinda mid ngl

[neat linden]

why, i like the idea of toxibow being low damage and focusing on strong debuffs

just sheer damage would make it quite generic

[timber quarry]

Yeah but it comes to the problem where you have to nerf the debuff and nerfing the debuff it could make it so you dont take as much damage and so it comes to a huge nerf to make it balaced again

[inner anvil]

You get this weapon after Eye of Cthulhu by the way, so that doesn't matter.

[drowsy plank]

i already tested aquashard myself once DO NOT REMOVE THE AERIALITE FROM IT ARE YOU INSANE

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

that shit is overperforming on WoF-tier let alone fucking aerialite-tier

[inner anvil]

Let me test it first.

[fossil finch]

@main hatch i don't know what reaction you want but i promise you won't get it

[eternal escarp]

@main hatch the reasoning your provide is absolutely not solved by your suggestion

[small timber]

they are, in fact, moving towards auric armor being SIMPLIFIED

[eternal escarp]

also the title you made is indeed not very good for suggestions

[swift wharf]

can that be considered a bannable offense

[eternal escarp]

and also complicating auric just because is, lmao??

byeah

[small timber]

godslayer/silva requirement is moved/only class dependent, random shit like lead core are removed]

[eternal escarp]

if your issue is that a lot of armor sets are often skipped

then you can suggest to increase the usefulness of certain armor sets

[small timber]

and the ideal soon™ auric armor rework will literally have auric armor being a standalone armor or something like that

[eternal escarp]

this suggestion wont help your reasoning at all

[small timber]

ya, the suggestion will end up just people complaining how they need to gather material after yharon to craft some armor they havent use ever

[drowsy plank]

cannot wait for standalone auric

[neat linden]

some armors also have reworks planned like aerospec or statigel
which tbf is be a good incentive to use them in the future

[small timber]

and out of the list of the armors in the suggestion, since when are many of them skippable

[neat linden]

rather than "Haha you need to get 8192 armors like it's soul of eternity armor"

[small timber]

most of them are great on their tier, like beetle and spectre

[eternal escarp]

none of those are skippable imo tbh

[swift wharf]

just delete this please

[drowsy plank]

maybe i should try resubmitting my request for ninja and pumpkin armor buffs this is just reminded me how many actually terrible armor sets exist and are skipped over

[eternal escarp]

the only armors i dont use is shadow / crimtane because, i dont need their bonuses

[timber quarry]

I have a question. Is there a way to add a crafting matherial that makes sence to aquashard shotgun but it isnt op at the same time

[eternal escarp]

no

[small timber]

also the reasoning of deny is pretty much just be "this is not Fargo's Soul Mod"

[swift wharf]

don't try to add theming to crafting

[eternal escarp]

adding a material solely for 1 weapon when it can simply be buffed is out of the question

[swift wharf]

it is nearly non existing in terraria

[small timber]

most weapons are balanced for their crafting material (aka: when they are available), unless oversight

[crude geode]

Shadow crimtane really gets fucked over bc of aerialite ngl

[eternal escarp]

they have new setbonuses iirc

shadow is movement speed god

instead of melee speed god

[drowsy plank]

shadow is based now

[eternal escarp]

crimtane i think just got a slight buff

[swift wharf]

and so is arealite no?

[small timber]

ye both get buffed massively

[eternal escarp]

aerialite is like

[swift wharf]

jump god

[eternal escarp]

getting snipped to two helmets anyway iirc

[swift wharf]

good.

[drowsy plank]

oh wtf

based

[eternal escarp]

havnt you seen the

[crude geode]

Wacky

[eternal escarp]

art

[drowsy plank]

no

[eternal escarp]

twitter

[swift wharf]

I have it somewhere

[crude geode]

Iban leaks?

[eternal escarp]

unless the other 3 helmets just never got sprited and im unaware

im pretty sure its a jax twit that iban retwitted

[swift wharf]

it appears that I do not

[crude geode]

Fair

[eternal escarp]

https://twitter.com/07_JAX/status/1532826590832381953

JAX (@07_JAX)

Official resprite of the Aerialite set from #Terraria #CalamityMod with the armor sets by @IbanPlays

#pixelart

Likes

324

Twitter · Jun 3, 2022, 8:48 PM

[swift wharf]

what is that

uhhhhh

[drowsy plank]

swoon

based resprites

[crude geode]

Oh right gustbellows meme

[fossil finch]

Magic gustbellows

[eternal escarp]

idk i forgor

[swift wharf]

huh

[thorny junco]

BRO WHY DOES THE LEFT ARMOR SET HAVE A HUGE BALL SACK AREA

[swift wharf]

what

[eternal escarp]

🤨

[drowsy plank]

it's a loincloth im pretty sure

[crude geode]

Someone has never seen a loincloth

[thorny junco]

Ik but it looked a ball sack storage unit

[swift wharf]

weirdge

[timber quarry]

Ok so Aquashard shotgun doesnt get a change, well ok. But now pumpler gets a nerf instead. I hope with the nerf it also makes it easyer to use but less damage cause i can see it melting worm bosses but personaly i see it annoying for me to use it

[crude geode]

It. Didn’t.

[drowsy plank]

please stop being weird

[thorny junco]

Ok

[swift wharf]

pumpler is easy to use tho

[eternal escarp]

pumpler is just a hold m1 and then let go of it

its not going to be any easier than that man

[swift wharf]

my mouse works 80% of the time and I had virtually no issues

[drowsy plank]

pumpler is easy to use ur just bad im sorry like. if you cant handle charging a weapon. idfk man use minishark and let the rest of us use the funny pumpkin gun

oh it's because of angles? huh

[swift wharf]

pre-boss weapon melting all pre-hm bosses mmmmmyes

[eternal escarp]

it had a slight nerf ontop of the fix iirc

[swift wharf]

good.

very good.

[timber quarry]

Ok

[drowsy plank]

sad! but honestly after terrorizing all of preHM i get it

i will probably still use it anyway

[eternal escarp]

it is quite fun to use

[drowsy plank]

recently beat moonlight provi with clockwork bow i love charging weapons

[timber quarry]

I guess its just harder for me cause i am only playing expert mode and dont play on normal mode to try the weapons out

[small timber]

one of my favourite is handheld tank + daawnlight spirit origin against bosses before DoG

that thing is so funny to use

[drowsy plank]

...i play on death so idk what ur talking about man. i just do not think you know how to use them

[eternal escarp]

underpowered on what

i tested victide lately i have fresh killtimes

[small timber]

the only criticism I can think of is testers might be a bit too skilled by themselves (many of them are nohitter skill level), but ya, pumpler is literally like, hold left click but release once in a while

[drowsy plank]

im probably wrong but i agree that reed feels a bit weak at times esp compared to other avaliable options, but idk maybe im not giving it the benefit of the doubt

like storm surge exists

[eternal escarp]

one sec

[drowsy plank]

same tier and everything

[eternal escarp]

lemme see what the killtimes i had with it after some balance changes were

[drowsy plank]

oh are there changes next update or something

[crude geode]

Was every cool Victide weapon just super weak

[small timber]

it is also difficult since some people expect weapons to perform on nohit-full damage setup level by referencing from videos

[timber quarry]

Yeah i am more of a basic type of guy. Having bows shot fast and any arrow you give it plus haveing other mods to really change the game. Well now i am trying harder difficulty which isnt master mode but from Fargo's souls mod Eternity Mode. It is very fun but some bossed melt you like you are nothing. Cant wait to try it on calamity and see what chaos will it bring

[drowsy plank]

[eternal escarp]

urchin maxe and redtide were too strong by true melee moment

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[eternal escarp]

i think blowpipe was mostly untouched but i dont remember

coral spout was stronger with spam rather than using it by holding which is lol

and idk the rogue weapon wasnt tested by me

oh okay i was wrong on blowgun

[inner anvil]

@timber quarry Tested Aquashard Shotgun, it's overpowered.

[timber quarry]

At least you had fun

But yeah nvm about that thing

[inner anvil]

Conclusion:

• Aquashard Shotgun: OP.
• Pumpler: We'll see next update.
• Galeforce: Balanced.
• Toxibow: Bad.

[eternal escarp]

and on crab

[narrow otter]

Yippee!

[eternal escarp]

i wonder if the STN caused a big damage variance?

though i doubt

[crude geode]

STN try not to be a balancing headache

Impossible challenge

[timber quarry]

So what do you think it should be buffed on toxic bow?

[eternal escarp]

i may check again with STN soon

[small timber]

boring way: buff damage; more interesting way: probably more debuff that is not a 450 dps debuff

[inner anvil]

It just needs damage.

Like, 5 -> 10.

[timber quarry]

Yeah can agree with it

[inner anvil]

Like, yeah, sure, the weapon is boring as well, but like that the weapon can be used.

[eternal escarp]

the entire gimmick is teh debuff anyway i think

[inner anvil]

Lol.

[eternal escarp]

and like

barinade is just better i think i think

[unique vector]

In my opinion, the Cnidrion serves no purpose. It should kill itself, now.

[timber quarry]

I re-edited the suggestion

It should be better

[eternal escarp]

you dont need a suggestion

thats why testers exist

[timber quarry]

I see

[eternal escarp]

and now your suggestion isnt even following the baseline so it cant be sent

[timber quarry]

Ok so if its a balance issue you ask for a tester to test the weapon

[eternal escarp]

theres a list of testers pinned

of who you can ask, yes

[timber quarry]

I already asked and its done

But ok now i understand how it works

[eternal escarp]

...yeah i know, you just asked a question and i replied

[timber quarry]

Well thx for answering it

[gray nebula]

??

The problem with current pumpleri s that it entirely ignores any cjhecks for "should this take damage or not"

well tats just cuz it can miss npcs

[spring sail]

BTW is pumpler pre-boss cause you can get pumpkin seeds from stuffed fish?

[drowsy plank]

@open meadow isnt that last reason more of a reason not to add it? ignoring the fact wings > tracers, giving tracers hover just makes them stronger despite trying to be an alternative to wings with slightly weaker options in exchange for the benefits of the boots

[open meadow]

Yes, though I don't want to dedicate like 3 slots just for wings, tracers, soaring insignia, and a second pair of wings, when that's just wing time overkill

[drowsy plank]

you

cant put on more than one pair of wings

you cant wear tracers + wings, and after provi the wings are typically stronger without wearing treads or anything

[open meadow]

Ah, one of my QOL mods must have made that change

Still though, my point stands

[drowsy plank]

no because that is

the point of the tracers having less options

so people actually use wings

if you giver tracers all the unique wing effects that kinda takes away from the point

tracers are specifically weaker to incentivize wing use

[somber marten]

and soaring insignia isn't necessary

i agree that a whole slot just to flight time is annoying, but it is more mobility either way

[drowsy plank]

but it is really strong and i do use it all the time but that's just because it's a great item

[open meadow]

Fair point then, I guess it will just be left to the dev team

[drifting wing]

what made soaring insignia op, i never really feel like i need more flight time ever

[open meadow]

You know what, I'm going to revise my suggestion

[drowsy plank]

have you played calamity late game lmfao

[drifting wing]

yes and i never run out of flight time

thats why it boggles my mind so much

do i play weird or is there something i dont know

[drowsy plank]

i mean most of cal is flying to dodge projectiles and several bosses have debuffs that actively halve your flight time

[small timber]

I think what you are asking for is already approved at some point

if it have wing function, it should count as wing; the approved one was basically angel treads upgrade line for boots instead of tracers

[drifting wing]

but hook a rail/platform

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message

[drifting wing]

scal arenas usually have rails everywhere

[small timber]

you can play a lot more freely if you have enough flight

[swift wharf]

imagine using rails on scal

[small timber]

but ya, at scal level you dont really worry about flight time anymore, it is more important for HM to pre-DoG

[drifting wing]

:,(

i dont know maybe im playing a different game

[drowsy plank]

id imagine you'd might use it on exos because it's a bit more chaotic

[drifting wing]

and i get hardmode but you dont get insignia til late

i could see it on exos until you hit the top

[golden tulip]

all i can say about this

is uh

props.

[inner anvil]

Alright. This is definetly a suggestion.
Well, firstly, our plans are to make Tag Damage multiplicative, instead of additive, correct.
For Blade Staff we can just make it better lmao, right now it's trash.
To fix the early game whips + Cool Whip, we'll just make them better, no need for complicated stuff.

[golden tulip]

i really applaud all this effort tho

[inner anvil]

That is correct.

[crude geode]

Definitely one of the most suggestions of all time

[swift wharf]

"early game whips + cool whip"

did my man cool whip dirty there

[inner anvil]

Cool Whip sucks horrendously.

[golden tulip]

what does cool whip do again

summons like a 10 damage snowflake or something

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[golden tulip]

nice

lmfao

[gray nebula]

no regular user would comprehend this sugg

[inner anvil]

Me neither.

[swift wharf]

same

[golden tulip]

i didnt even try

[gray nebula]

Also i mean

are we set on mutliplicative fr?

cuz like yeah the early game whips suck for early game minions

[inner anvil]

Yes, we planned that a while ago.

[gray nebula]

i tried to give tag to cnidarian and it did nothing because the summons were too weak

[inner anvil]

And it's even coded in Calamity already.

It's just doesn't work.

[golden tulip]

i have no idea how this works but doesnt multiplicative end up with higher numbers then additive

[inner anvil]

And that's why Tag Damage is broken currently.

[gray nebula]

well yes i know how it is i just remember hearing that it might be discussed further

[drifting wing]

i like that sugg but i feel there is a simpler way

[swift wharf]

yeah I think

[golden tulip]

so its

[gray nebula]

multiplicative rounds down

[golden tulip]

buffing whips

[gray nebula]

imagine minion that deals 7 damage

with a tag of 10%

[drifting wing]

now does 7.7

or 7

[swift wharf]

[gray nebula]

hit goes 7 + 0.7 = 7 again

[crude geode]

It’s why original Wulfrum sucks

[gray nebula]

because it converts back to the lowest integer

[swift wharf]

int moment question mark

yeah

[inner anvil]

Ok, I get you, so what do we do for early game whips?

We keep the additve damage?

[golden tulip]

so its nerfing whips

[gray nebula]

i mean im not in the testing channel rn

not

[swift wharf]

what if the whip has high base dmg

[crude geode]

lol

[swift wharf]

doe

[gray nebula]

im in sugg disc so i dont really know but i just remember hearing ppl talk about maybe reconsidering or somethng

[golden tulip]

that feels really like

[inner anvil]

Cool.

[golden tulip]

nothing

though

ok 238.8 damage is now 238 damage 😎

[inner anvil]

Well, whip balancing is hell right now, we still need to discuss it.

[gray nebula]

yea

[golden tulip]

yea alr

[warped parrot]

Yeah thats fine. The main suggestion is to just add a cap to added whip damage. Dunno what you are planning exactly, but say if the endgame stuff has like 50% added damage, then you would for progressions purposes slowly creep up that number step by step from some weak early whips. But if you only get 10% more damage early game by playing dollar store melee, why bother? With a cap you could maybe keep the buff fairly consistent but make whips phase out with time.

[swift wharf]

you have to consider that summoner is already good without whips too

[inner anvil]

We also need to deal with that.

[swift wharf]

which makes balancing extremely funny I assume

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[golden tulip]

yea how do u balance that

[inner anvil]

Uhm.

I don't know if I'm allowed to say it.

[golden tulip]

do u assume everyone uses whips or do u assume they dont

so basically do u nerf summons or not

[swift wharf]

good question

[inner anvil]

Yes, that is the same question multiple testers asked.

And we still are not decided.

[golden tulip]

tricky

[inner anvil]

We need to discuss it in a meeting someday.

[golden tulip]

yea gl with that

[crude geode]

Too busy with #suggestions-posting trolling you with random weapons

[golden tulip]

huh

[gray nebula]

i mean

there were ideas before 1.4 came that "oh maybe summoner is too strong given it needs to do nothing? maybe it should have lower killtimes" i remembe r this being said once

obviously it got shot down because thats silly

[inner anvil]

I remember that.

[gray nebula]

but summons only being a bit weaker on average now that theres whips would make sense

and whips bridge the gap and then some more

[golden tulip]

agreed

[gray nebula]

since theyre close range

[inner anvil]

Yes, i had planned that, but we don't know how much.

Like a lot? A little?

Who knows.

[crude geode]

Politics in dev hell

[golden tulip]

i like whips. contrary to most

[swift wharf]

whips are fine I just think they're zzzzzz

[golden tulip]

yes, i said it, dont throw me on the burning witch pile 😔

[crude geode]

Other weapons aren’t?

[drifting wing]

will potions like crumbling and shattering affect whips in the near future

[swift wharf]

your honor

!wiki cnidarian

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Cnidarian

[crude geode]

I’m more referring to every class having some boring af weapons

[swift wharf]

(please don't ask for more examples)

oh ok that's true

[gray nebula]

whips are fine

if every weapon is crazy no weapon is

[warped parrot]

Assuming summoner is already perfectly balanced around the risk/reward it takes, then keeping summoner without whips as is and boosting whip-summoner a bit shouldnt be a problem. Problem isnt about whips but about the general balance

[gray nebula]

NO FUCK

IGNORE WHAT I JUST SAID

[crude geode]

Aka melee’s generic broadswords, ranger’s megasharks, fucking laser machine gun clones, etc.

[gray nebula]

EVERY WEAPON BEING CRAZY IS GOOD

.

but

its not realistic

[inner anvil]

Ok, Iban.

[gray nebula]

its fine to have a bit of boring

[crude geode]

Very true

[gray nebula]

because it saves effort

[swift wharf]

dnc

give the crazy

[gray nebula]

• crazy is harder to come up with than not crazy

[crude geode]

I really love all the auric mage weapons being really bland and boring btw

[gray nebula]

like i am not making cnidarian 2 3 5 and subclass

[swift wharf]

please don't do that

[inner anvil]

Of course you aren't, I would murder.

[gray nebula]

maybe one upgrade

mirage jelly , ghost bell ,whatever

[crude geode]

we do a little trolling

[swift wharf]

I just want whips but without the whip part

[inner anvil]

Fathom swimmer or whatever the fuck.

[subtle sapphire]

flinx fur being craftable sounds like the worst solution possible to flinx fur farming

just make the mob actually spawn on fucking ice and snow ffs

[golden tulip]

ah yes, the

[subtle sapphire]

rather than going "ah yes, I made fur by combining this piece of wood with a glass full of my piss"

[swift wharf]

hand over the other summoner weapons

[inner anvil]

Listen, we'll make whips balanced someday, we have other priorities, I will just ask for patience for now.

[golden tulip]

it joins the inevitable :devplans:

[crude geode]

Can we add “craftable” to the don’ts document

[golden tulip]

i mean something being craftable isnt inherently a bad thing

imo

[drowsy plank]

craftable suggs pass fairly frequently so i dont feel like that's a good idea lmao

i dislike them as much as the rest of yall but they're valid sometimes

[crude geode]

Yeah most likely just requires better moderation of sugg posting

For the. shit ones with very little reasoning/no alternative.

[subtle sapphire]

the idea of crafting fur hurts my brain

[golden tulip]

pixl used to be here a lot what happened to her

too much #suggestions-discussion? 😔

[drowsy plank]

it'll happen to everyone eventually

suggestions drive you insane

[golden tulip]

it is a scary illment

[inner anvil]

I'm the next one.

[golden tulip]

get outta here memes

save yourself

[crude geode]

#server-announcements message this is what happened

No more amogus

[golden tulip]

true

[unique vector]

what do u want from me

oh i play ffxiv all day dw

[crude geode]

Fair lol

[eternal escarp]

tbf it could be added to bad suggestion prsctices and given some examples

that not everything needs to be craftable

byeah

[hollow shell]

Oh, whoops, this one shouldn't have gotten through

Wait

Actually, I'm not sure

[wooden mango]

I gotta ask why are expert items not exclusive to expert that kind of ya know defeats the purpose of expert mode drops

[cobalt osprey]

Wdym

[hollow shell]

We made them drop in all modes because of our new ideology regarding the difficulty modes

[drowsy plank]

no ur right im p sure, isn't the toggle already implemented next update as per the changelogs? which would make the sugg invalid

[cobalt osprey]

What ideology

[hollow shell]

Difficulty modes should not garner you exclusive benefits that are not obtainable in lower difficulties
They should just change the challenge level of the game, so that players can play with the level of difficulty they find most comfortable or entertaining

Like picking "Easy, Medium, Hard" in any other game

[cobalt osprey]

That seems right

[drifting wing]

i remember seeing a sugg saying lower difficulties should nerf damage you do or sumn

[swift wharf]

now that's just stupid

[fossil finch]

Harder difficulties should spawn a hitman in your house for added difficulty

[drifting wing]

thought the same

[subtle sapphire]

Suggestion : whenever you create a world on easy difficulty, the dark soul copypasta gets spammed in your chat

[swift wharf]

this reminded me of a mod that spawns a psycho every now and then to kill you