suggestions-discussion

[crude geode]

I was trying to figure out if this was even in relation to a sugg lol

[thorny sapphire]

yeah

^

[inner anvil]

Get the video of an example of a situation, include it into the suggestion, we come to a conclusion, as easy as that.

No need to fight.

[crude geode]

@orchid cairn #suggestions-voting message

[inner anvil]

Ah, someone already suggested this, then everything's fine.

[drowsy plank]

honestly once the yharon resprite happens id imagine it'd be p easy to just give him glowing eyes like duke gets as a telegraph before dashes

[crude geode]

Honest to god thought it was the sugg in voting we were talking about lol

[orchid cairn]

but if he's far off-screen it doesnt help

and being NEAR yharon is a death sentence

[drowsy plank]

if it was made like duke's then it wouldnt be offscreen

[orchid cairn]

anyway i recorded it happening i just need to cut the part im talking about

[hollow shell]

Yeaahh a telegraph would have been welcome

[inner anvil]

Alright, I've seen the clip, I accept this as a tele-frag.

[orchid cairn]

i literally no-hit the first phase this fight too :')

i was doing so well

[inner anvil]

Yeah, we'll add a telegraph.

[orchid cairn]

god thank you

this has caused me untold grief

[inner anvil]

And with a video, everything was solved.

[drowsy plank]

fair and balanced

[orchid cairn]

should i delete the suggestion then

[inner anvil]

Yes, because someone requested exactly the same and it's in voting already.

[junior elm]

is vin a spriter for calamity, the concept art they make seem much better in appeal and the concept itself seems like it'll make a better boss

devs?

[hollow shell]

@junior elm Can you provide some context for those unfamiliar?

[fossil finch]

Who is vin

[hollow shell]

Who is vin and what bosses are you talking about?

I've heard of a Vinh

[now-deleted twitter link posted here]

[junior elm]

the concept art at the very top

[hollow shell]

Ok yeah I have seen some of these before

[fossil finch]

They aren't

And those are just concepts they make for fun

[junior elm]

also for the 2 bosses in the astral CORRUPTION it seems like the corruption part is ignored basically

its treated simply as astral

[hollow shell]

Do keep in mind that while pixel art can look appealing, it doesn't always translate well into active gameplay
Particularly lookin at that Ravager(?) and that Brimstone Elemental, the latter is in a specific pose and the former seems to have some implied movement / mid-activity?

And yes we will be working on making the Astral's identity as an infection more apparent in-game

Not just for both bosses but for the biome too

[junior elm]

ah, okay

[fossil finch]

It's literally not

Like the 2 astral bosses are infected

Lol lmao

[hollow shell]

Lore-wise they are but xana is saying that that vibe is not communicated through their in-game presence very well

[fossil finch]

Idk honestly how would you communicate that better

Infected stuff doesn't have to be mutated grrr fleshy stuff

[hollow shell]

We have plans for both Aureus and Deus that will make it much clearer that they're an infected version of something previously uninfected
So don't worry

[fossil finch]

that's cool

[half sage]

wait so is aureus getting a resprite? knew deus was getting one but last I checked the resprite doc aureus was listed as no resprites planned

[fossil finch]

you fool

Rover's message isn't exclusive to sprites

[hollow shell]

I don't wanna speak of the plans much further in case they are not publically revealed

Astral's got its own major update planned though, among our list of planned major updates

[hushed jetty]

Astral expansion part 2!!

[swift wharf]

good
very good.

[austere cargo]

astrum aureus is just astral crabulon

[gray nebula]

vinegar user simply too schizo

✌️

also i would personally remove that twitter link cuz

vinhegar not known to be the most family friendly eitehr

@hollow shell

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah there is exposed booba

Deleted

Artistic and respectful nudity

[fossil mural]

booba aside

their art was nifty from a glance

i liked the gigachad king slime

[gray nebula]

its funny yea

I mean hes great at art

not as graet at following directions from ME

🕴️

i cant be art director if i cant direct ppl u get me

but its ok im still harvesting his stuff

[hollow shell]

Iban's desire for power and control grows greater every day

[gray nebula]

well i mean its the actual reason but less exagerated

its just that hes kinda like

not the kind to follow plans

and i mean yes calamity has a lot of lackuster ideas but you cant go around going "haha what if we litterally entirely changed something big from the ground up" even if you throw in 3 cool sketches to illustrate

i mean i also ask for big changes at times but i try to keep it reasonable

[small timber]

I mean... Ideally RoD is not require (as testers always mentioned, boss attack are not designed around RoD)

For the slime mount one I am aware of it, just dont know if I count it as a 'mobile dodge option', to me it always feels like more cheesing than dodging, as you basically leave the attack area by having way more than intended mobility, similar to dodging exo ohio beam by slime mount out of range

[frosty trellis]

I've done it without RoD or slime mount a couple of times, just takes good positioning and timing. But yeah, I get your point

[sand ermine]

@sand briar wrong format

also no reason other than "it would be nice"

[sand briar]

mb

i mean its annoying waiting for it to be a full moon with the traveling merchant and resetting the day w the cosmolight doesnt reset the daily shop

plus its a rare drop from a rare enemy

for an essential armor set

[sand ermine]

then you should add those reasons to the suggestion

[sand briar]

aight lemme figure out the format stuff is it in pins?

[sand ermine]

yeah

make sure to read the whole doc thats in pins too

[small timber]

Yeah, it is just for the current version, it has short telegraph + lingering lasers which make dodging while mobile just abit too hard tbh
(Since you need very fast reaction + unreasonably precise positiong and even then lingering lasers make it so you are dodging 2 walls at a time), it is like while doable/possible, not very ideal

[small timber]

Next patch do doubled the drop rate from said rare enemy though, and with that I think you probably can get it in like 5 minutes with zerg potion

[fossil finch]

Why are we still on bingo mode

What happened

[sand briar]

is the title too rude sounding?

[drowsy plank]

istg just make frost barrier a 100% drop from claspers at this point

[sand briar]

real

[drowsy plank]

isnt it getting straight up removed from the armor soon anyway

[sand briar]

oh fr?

[drowsy plank]

i thought it was

regardless i just see. this exact suggestion so fuckin often

[sand briar]

my bad

[drowsy plank]

i mean it's not ur fault just

man.

[small timber]

@worthy sable it IS the final boss in boss rush

[sand ermine]

@worthy sable Why

[small timber]

As of actual final boss, no not gonna happen

[drowsy plank]

this is just as bad as the one implying you fought DoG in preHM or something from a few days ago

where are all these people coming from

[hardy dock]

why

[unborn oriole]

@worthy sable elaborate

[swift wharf]

what the fuck

[half sage]

I can already predict his response "he devours gods so he should be the strongest boss"

[fossil finch]

There's only 8 (7+format) exclaims rn but with yesterday's 17 what the fuck is going on

And this doesn't count removals mind you

[hollow shell]

My only theory is that invalid suggestions beget more invalid suggestions
People see single-line messages in the channel, don't understand what the reaction emotes mean, and decide to write their own similar suggestions

[fossil mural]

calamity players cant make new worlds for a few days and proceed to make the worst suggestions possible

in seriousness rovers probably right

to a new person who doesnt read pins, its not clear that the exclaims and wrench things are bad

[short walrus]

Calamity users basic reading comprehension challenge (impossible)

[fossil mural]

its not a lack of reading comprehension

its a lack of reading

they usually comprehend after you tell them to read

they just dont read pins unless someone tells them to

[swift wharf]

pearl shards strike again

[oblique geyser]

It's a good suggestion tho

[small timber]

Isnt firestorm also really good on like crabulon and stuff?

[oblique geyser]

No

[swift wharf]

the thing is like

[oblique geyser]

It barely does any damage on crab

[swift wharf]

even though it's called pearl shards now

[short walrus]

Gotta provide proof of that then

[small timber]

Not necessarily nohit tier, but I remember it being good on hivemind, boc, perforator too

[swift wharf]

it's used in o n e ocean themed item

[short walrus]

Kill times and all

[oblique geyser]

Pretty sure terragrim luxor is better and that's a meme strat

[small timber]

They changed it at some point? Since it used to be decent

[hollow shell]

Hey don't we have a rule to not make suggestions based on changelogs content

[small timber]

I will test it when I get on pc

[swift wharf]

yea

future content stuff

[oblique geyser]

Oh

[swift wharf]

there's another suggestion like this

for enchanted axe

[hollow shell]

@shrewd osprey You too

[small timber]

I mean, that rule kinda apply to things where you havent experience (which can be subjective)? So 'technically' since a rename is objective...

[fossil finch]

Grrr rover this is why laws are comically extensive and descriptive

[hollow shell]

It is also due to the fact that changelogs are subject to change

And also incomplete

[burnt condor]

pearl can be a material used in many non-ocean-themed objects in real life

[oblique geyser]

Okay

[hollow shell]

The suggesters don't know whether or not these changes are already going to be implemented or acknowledged

until the update comes out

Maybe we do already remove the shards from their recipes

[oblique geyser]

My reasoning is mostly because Firestorm should be preboss tbh tho

So I think this is fine

[hollow shell]

Maybe we rethemed the items that use them

[swift wharf]

sus

[fossil finch]

Then kinda change the sugg to say it should be preboss

[hollow shell]

You should rewrite your suggestion to be just that, Wyvern

[fossil finch]

However i

[oblique geyser]

Ok I will

[fossil finch]

Instant upgrades,
Why is flaregun

loss

[swift wharf]

buff flare gun

[hollow shell]

Yes this would be an instant upgrade moment

[swift wharf]

buffing it would be better then I think

[oblique geyser]

It's changed

[oblique geyser]

Flare gun is not a viable weapon for its tier either

[swift wharf]

flare gun is a tool

[oblique geyser]

Yeah

Flare gun is a tool, Firestorm Cannon is a weapon

[unborn oriole]

Yeah i think instant upgrade is fine on this case

I mean

It is flare gun after all

[hollow shell]

I suppose so, different purposes

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

Though Firestorm flares linger too

[unborn oriole]

Yeah but i mean

Who uses a flare gun upgrade to light up when you have glowsticks and White torches?

[hollow shell]

White torches? Hell kinda diamond mine do you live in

I do use flares on occasion

[oblique geyser]

Flare gun has 2 damage and fires one flare at a time and a long-ish use time

Firestorm is 10 damage fires 2 flares and has short use time

So they serve different purposes

Because the former is not at all viable as a weapon

Firestorm is just on the wrong tier

[unborn oriole]

I live in extractinator

[hollow shell]

Alright fair enough
and
Alright fair enough

[unborn oriole]

Besides

10 torches per diamond

Highest light level in the game

Pretty nice torches tbh

[dapper violet]

I thought Ultrabright Torches were brighter

[hollow shell]

All the brightest torches are only within like
1 tile of each other
in terms of light reach

[drifting wing]

rover drive did you make the rover drive item

[hollow shell]

I did not make it no but its name is a reference to me

[frosty forge]

the laser pointer thing when you point a laser beam at a mob or a boss the minions will attack it (just like the whips) it has more range than the whips thats basicly the concept

[unkempt dew]

I hate you not because of anything you did but because i famred 3 hours for a rover drive once

[hollow shell]

Fair enough.

[hollow shell]

Okay but what is the point in adding "laser pointers" specifically
Especially if whips already serve that purpose?

Why not use the Summoner's Association mod which lets you force minions to attack a target?

Or suggest longer ranged whips be added, or more range upgrades?

[drifting wing]

can you tell me if there will be an exo whip

[hollow shell]

We don't know yet. We have not concepted any whip designs

[drifting wing]

i was just wondering since there is only one exo summon thing

[frosty forge]

are there whips with 2 strings?

[drowsy plank]

unofficial whips mod has one

[frosty forge]

oh ok

[drowsy plank]

also no you cannot suggest a whip with two strings that'd be a specific item suggestion

please read the rules in the pins

[hollow shell]

Well

Depending on how he words it, he could suggest that successfully

It'd probably just be hard to find the reasoning for it

[drifting wing]

whips in vanilla are all very similar as well

im not quite creative enough to think of something new for them

[frosty forge]

what if the longer you point it at an enemy your summons do a bit more damage like you point it every second increases the damage by .1x and caps out at 1.5x dmg and if you miss you get affected by cool down for 15 seconds before you can increase the damage again

[unborn oriole]

Isn't that like

Hard to code?

[hollow shell]

dunno

All I know is that it's worded too specifically for a suggestion :P

[unborn oriole]

Yeah

Besides

Whips already exist

Slime pupoet and the Aureus drop too

And lets not talk about Eye of Magnus and Sentries

[trail fiber]

Hey guys, i'm thinking about a suggestion, buff the zenith making being obtainable post DoG instead Post-yharon, what do you think?

[small timber]

zenith is already post-Yharon, even if you want that there is no reason to buff

if you mean like, 'buff' as in just move it to DoG, then it will be one of the strongest weapon against DoG

[hot zephyr]

it will remain as is

[small timber]

I think the only weapon (for the one that I tested), are like, halley's inferno (competible) with this

other weapons are all massively slower with balanced setup like this

[hot zephyr]

it fits fine

doesn't need change

[trail fiber]

no no, i mean, change the recipe, with cosmilite bars instead auric bars

[small timber]

^

if it is moved directly to DoG with nothing changed, it is probably the single best weapon against DoG, but ya, as Ian said, it stays post-Yharon

for yharon zenith is like, not good anyway

so if you use it against yharon people will complain about it being underpowered and want it buffed, eventhough the problem is just zenith is not designed to perform well on yharon

(meanwhile zenith is EXTREMELY good against exo mechs and scal)

[trail fiber]

i don't think so, i tested all the weapons on tier for those fights and i can say the zenith is the worse, i don't mean that is horrible, but also isn't that good

[trail fiber]

but you have a point

[small timber]

it is more of the case that those weapon are way more performing than intended, the zenith (power level) is actually the intended power level

since things like dragon's breath and dragon rage are just busted, final dawn too

[trail fiber]

well, so it will stay, thanks for the feedback

[small timber]

ok since this is just a short test I will not bother with formatting:

I forgot firestorm cannon was nerfed at some point; its right click used to be machinegun - shotgun; now it is just shotgun
it fits into pre-boss really well

and ya, flash round is truly a bullet in calamity mod

[frosty trellis]

I would say Zenith is the best melee weapon for Exo twins (And good for Ares, but not the best option since flying up then ark party, rinse repeat until Ares is dead, is very powerful), but there are better options for SCal (Ark, Ataraxia and Burning Sky are all better weapons vs SCal from my testing, although it's on Master-Death since that's what I play, but shouldn't make that much of a difference)

Zenith is definitely fine as is, just wouldn't say EXTREMELY good

[small timber]

oh right zenith scal is actually not that good, it is only extremely good against seekers

[frosty trellis]

Against the seekers there is nothing better

[small timber]

I forgot people just use it since it gets about the right kill time on scal without melting her too much

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

Zenith is the best melee weapon for seekers, can definitely attest to that

But doesn't melt SCal, just good

Burning Sky somewhat feels like it melts SCal ngl

Was getting better kill times than Ark and Ataraxia

[small timber]

meanwhile there is spine of thanatos on scal, but ya

[frosty trellis]

Spine is post Exos

Talking pre-exos

[small timber]

I am surprised to hear ataraxia is good on scal though, since last time I used it was pre-changed (before 1.4 port)

[frosty trellis]

From Xyk, Zenith had 4:30 kill time, Ataraxia has 3:5x, and Ark had 3:45

From my testing on Master-Death, Ark had a 4:57, Ataraxia 5:0x Zenith had a 5:22
But then burning sky came out of fucking nowhere and just 4:35

And this testing was from earlier today

So very recent results

[hot zephyr]

don't test in master-death

https://tenor.com/view/smile-or-not-orange-cat-smile-cat-smiling-orange-cat-gif-23340477

[frosty trellis]

It's what I'm used too

[frosty trellis]

What difficulty should I test it on then?

[hot zephyr]

expert + revengeance, ripperless

[small timber]

ideally expert rev, or at least expert death

(basically dont test on master since it is just like, not useful, as the mod is balanced around expert)

[frosty trellis]

Expert Rev is what the mod is balanced around

Right

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[frosty trellis]

I have gotten so used to fighting on Master that I forgot the mod was balanced around expert rev

Probably gonna feel a lot easier going back to that lol

Welp

Time to redo all my kill times

[small timber]

it is fine, it still do show the comparison between weapon

just ya, the actual dps/killtime of the weapon can be inaccurate

[frosty trellis]

Using my own personal setup since it's what I personally use in a playthough (minus the community bc scaling issues so toss that out)
Can show the setup once I do kill times and shit

Should probably enable the dps indicator w/e that is

Just gonna have to give me a minute to load tMod and a new world kek

[grave zinc]

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[frosty trellis]

@small timber @hot zephyr After doing further testing and making sure nothing was weird with the weapons or arena I was using (Since now something seemed off with my previous kill times and stuff) Here are my eval's on Ark, Ataraxia, Zenith and Burning Sky, all with kill times presented

Also showing the loadout I'm using, which I would use in a standard playthough of mine. All accessories menacing since that is what I use (Also used all 4 candles in my arena setup)

[hot zephyr]

yeah that's about right

[crude geode]

@umbral gazelle what "operator"

[small timber]

WIDE

[umbral gazelle]

npc from alchnpc

[hollow shell]

@umbral gazelle Two things:

1. "since you can also buy it from operator after 1 mech boss." Operator is from AlchLite, a separate mod, and therefore should probably not be acknowledged in your suggestion
2. You can smash Demon Altars to get Souls of Night. Next update you can kill Queen Slime for Souls of Light

(sorry for ping I was writing before you showed up)

[small timber]

it is not a feature from calamity so it need to be taken into consideration

you can say "make every item cost 1 wood to craft because cheat sheet give you for free", to give you a context

[umbral gazelle]

demon altar/flesh altar is still limited per world though

[small timber]

you will have enough to craft most of the gear you want just by going to one of the chasm iirc, they do drop enough

the rest you can just farm manually from the biomes, like usual; but the demon altar one tend to be sufficient for your HM start that you dont really need to grind manually

[hollow shell]

They do drop less now than they have done in the past

[small timber]

(I dont have scal test stat so ya, I will leave it up to testers)

[hollow shell]

But still a respectable amount

[small timber]

ye, considering how easy they are to get (and also plentiful amount of altar can generate)

[frosty trellis]

Still think Ataraxia as a whole needs a buff or a rework of sorts, since it's just impractical on both bosses it's designed to fight. Sure, it does great damage if you can hit stuff, but it's easier to hit SCal with Ark, Zenith and burning sky, and they all do great damage against her as well. Not to mention, with the pre-built walls of SCal's arena and Ataraxia's projectiles collide with blocks, making common strats with SCal (Hugging a wall so you can dodge the blasts easier wtih pre-built stuff around the arena) Or trying to freakin hit her when the brimstone monsters are out (Since you are constantly circling the small arena, makes it harder to hit and it's more likely to hit the wall when you are moving around a lot)

Same with exos. Ataraxia cannot hit twins, is decent against Ares (But due to Ark, Zenith and Murasama being able to hit multiple parts of Ares, makes them more suited for the job) And since Ataraxia's projectiles can't pierce, no reason to use it against Thanatos.

It's harder to use with worse payouts

[small timber]

but ya regardless I dont think the suggestion reasoning is like, sufficient? since its main reason is the fact that "you can easily acquire souls by buying them from operator"

meanwhile by default for calamity, you just do them the ordinary way (of farming) anyway

[hollow shell]

Yes operator should be removed from the sugg

[small timber]

(and 36% chance is good enough, since you have zerg potions, chaos candle and stuff)

[frosty trellis]

I just farmed some souls of light in the hallowed and just demon alter night since I'm lazy

[small timber]

I tend to get like, 100+ from just 2 minutes of grinding

[frosty trellis]

Don't need to farm many either

30-40 is usually fine

[hot zephyr]

Ataraxia will never be reworked

Hate to burst the bubble

[frosty trellis]

That sucks

[hollow shell]

Dono item

funny

[frosty trellis]

Oh

I see

[hot zephyr]

The fate of basically every donor item

[crude geode]

[frosty trellis]

I didn't know Ataraxia was a donor item

Then buff it so it's payout is better and actually worth using

[crude geode]

Was all of this just complaining about it needing a buff

[hot zephyr]

i remember ataraxia's true melee being pretty good

[frosty trellis]

It's okay

Ark's true melee attack is better

[hot zephyr]

well yeah

ark is overperforming

are you using rippers (rage/adrenaline) in your tests

[frosty trellis]

Nope

That makes it inconsistent

Which is not what we are going for here

[hot zephyr]

just making sure

generally, if a drop averages around 5 minutes for scal it's in a good spot

from your sheet, ataraxia seems to be fine
it's just that demons like ark are skewing the data

[frosty trellis]

Then it looks like Burning Sky needs another look at

[hot zephyr]

burning sky needs a lot of things

[umbral gazelle]

i removed the operator part

[frosty trellis]

I'm personally fine with the design of burning sky being a meme

Just needs a bit of a nerf if it's 4:35 kill time

[hot zephyr]

in my melee tests against mechs back when they were first got their AI, I forgot burning sky existed

[crude geode]

everyone forgets it exists

[umbral gazelle]

idk if some item like nazar, temple key require a bit too much soul of night but it a bit too much for me

[small timber]

ya the test you did seems about right, only criticism will be like, sake/tipsy buff

since it counts as an alcohol now, and testing dont use alcohol

[hot zephyr]

i like the meta commentary aspect of the weapon but it kinda robs melee of an option that isn't a meme

[small timber]

both of those are a one time thing

and ya, you are really not supposed to get everything effortlessly, if needed some grinding will still be required

[small timber]

and

[hot zephyr]

zerg makes soul farming a joke tbh

and you'll be able to farm QS for light souls soon, which drop in a good amount

even after the nerf, the altar souls are still kinda egregious

[frosty trellis]

Oh, really? Didn't know that

Well, also don't know the exact setup testers use

Tipsy buff can be replaced with fabsols vodka for basically the same effect

[small timber]

tester setup dont really have a set one I think, but generally:

1. no alcohol; 2) no rippers; 3) expert rev; 4) 'balance' setup, without too much emphasis on damage or defense, and have movement accessory - this also apply to reforging (like menacing and warding mix (some people with quick I think); and 5) don't try to overly tanking the boss

at least to my knowledge

I think the thing with alcohols is just they come with downside, some are massive, like -10~20% defense, especially if you use multiple; this disincentivize/make it so not everyone use them

[frosty trellis]

Tipsy can be replaced by fabsols vodka. I just like moscoles mule since the life regen down is counterbalanced from shell and candles, but yeah. If it would have to be replaced, would probably grab ichlor flasks regardless since no reaper tooth necklace, so the armor penetration would about make up for the loss in 9% damage.

My build is more defensive (Aegis, Cotbg, rampart, sponge and c.shell) But with menacing, makes it more mixed offense and defense, and movement accessories are just wings and aegis for me.

Think my testing is fine then? Don't overly tank a boss (You can't tank SCal, you will just die) didn't use any rippers either and on expert-rev

[small timber]

I think it is fine? since even tester says it seems about right (and it do seems about right)

[small timber]

just ya, this one is not particularly saying the test you done is invalid or something, just to my knowledge the 'general rule?' of how tester test things

[frosty trellis]

Will change it up if I test shit again, but gtk that I didn't screw anything up by accident

It's just my norm with buffs and shit, so wasn't really thinking otherwise

[small timber]

(that said I do think the alcohols that reduce life regen only like moscow mule are abit too little, since the life regen number to my knowledge is divided by 2, so -1 life regen = -0.5 hp regen/sec; the downside is way too small for what they provide since regen/cadance alone give you net 4 life regen positive to counteract them)

or make alcohol apply a negative multiplier to hp regen (basically the opposite of campfire buff), works too

[frosty trellis]

@hot zephyr You said SCal was five minutes? Well, I would suggest giving oracle stupidly increased damage against the hearts, bc I am pretty sure this isn't 5 minutes, and this was with godmode on bc I am not good enough at scelp2 to try it without, but that took 4 minutes on it's own

Same setup as before, except yo-yo bag over c.shell

Tried out dragon pow as well, got a 4:48 so that appears to be fine as well

[small timber]

oh right oracle

[frosty trellis]

It's pre-ml gear level of brimstone hearts killing at best

Rest of the fight actually is decent enough with it

[small timber]

ya in my yoyo testing I just straight up say "it is unreasonable to use only oracle against scal since it is abysmal against hearts", and just post the oracle result by nuking hearts with dragon rage

[frosty trellis]

Felt like a slightly weaker zenith

I can try that

[small timber]

I think it is really good against the rest of the fight, maybe slightly weak on seeker and thats it

#suggestions-voting message in this one I think

[frosty trellis]

Although will go with Murasama since don't want dragons rage chip from the t.melee strike

To keep it consistent

[small timber]

it was 4:39 for me, after nuking the hearts down

that is like, the only scal test I done tbh, since it was for a yoyo suggestion

[frosty trellis]

I will give it a shot myself

[small timber]

(yoyo, notably oracle is just not designed for heart phase tbh; if the yoyo touch sepulcher it is straight up deleted and you have to ramp up the aura again, it is not ideal to say the least)

[frosty trellis]

Yeah

[small timber]

the solution will be like, finally remove sepulcher's ability to delete projectile (which will happen in approximately 20 years)

[frosty trellis]

@small timber @hot zephyr Oracle but with murasama killing the hearts. Still under powered

[golden tulip]

lol oracle

[frosty trellis]

I mean

If Ian says 5 min is around right

Then Oracle needs to be buffed to be around then lol

[golden tulip]

whats the max and average dps

[frosty trellis]

I don't know how to enable a mod for that

Since no idea where to look for that

[golden tulip]

nycro's nohit mod

its in the configs

helps with testing

or caltesthelper

[frosty trellis]

DPS in nycros? Didn't know that

Bc I'm using nycros for the time and stuff

Well, will see tomorrow bc I need sleep

[golden tulip]

mess around in the configs

[small timber]

did you use yoyo bag? I remember oracle specifically is much better with yoyo bag

(since I did get a 4:39 which is like, very good, eventhough you have to kill hearts with different weapon)

[hollow shell]

@dire herald That sounds like a bug or a mod incompatibility

Might have to do with the latest tModLoader release, actually

[small timber]

I misread the suggestion as make mech bosses also drop the ore/bar they unlock (tier 2, 3), though now I look about it it seems like both?

[inner anvil]

Yes, this is a bug with tMod due to the August Stable.

[hollow shell]

Because yeah they are already not supposed to drop Hallowed Bars in the reworked progression

until the third mech

[dire herald]

Possibly, I have a few mods along with calamity done I’ll see if one of those also makes an alteration to the boss drops.

[hollow shell]

It is likely something that will be fixed in the upcoming Calamity update

[inner anvil]

No, it's definetly a bug with Calamity that we need to fix.

[dreamy burrow]

Yo, the anihita and leviathan summon suggestion I made got a green check 😎

[hollow shell]

Nice

[inner anvil]

If I told the truth right now would be pretty funny.

[dire herald]

Looking over my subscriptions the only things that could possibly be causing an issue would be quality of life or AlchemistNPClite

[inner anvil]

We told you that it's not another mod, it's Calamity due to the August Stable.

Other people are having the same issue.

[dire herald]

Right got it I am just blind

[hollow shell]

Sorry for bringing up incompatibilities first
Twas just the first thing I thought of before I remembered about tMod

august stable

[dire herald]

Nah it’s not your fault I just tunnel vision really hard when typing and didn’t notice others had replied before I went to steam.

[spring sail]

Does suggesting a recipe change for a dedicated item count as a “don’t”?

[swift wharf]

I don't think so but you need their approval

[frail mantle]

yea as long as the dedicatee is fine with it it's allowed

[spring sail]

@hollow shell So I was going to suggest to include the stellar tune in face melter’s recipe and the donor Krankwagon does not seem to be around, does that mean it’s allowed to make the suggestion?

[small timber]

queen slime might have connection to souls of light but have no connection to crystal shard

in fact you find queen slime's summon item by trying to gather crystal shard

[fossil finch]

i mean she literally has like

a core made

[neat linden]

doesn't she literally have a big crystal inside

[fossil finch]

of crystal shards

but go off

anyways i disagree anyway

because like

the year is 2024

[small timber]

wait queen slime have a core inside

but ya, to me this feels like a "make hallow mimic drop souls of light" kind of deal

[neat linden]

her P1 sprite for reference

[fossil finch]

QoL mods have removed the need for town NPCs, Arena Building, Regular Enemies, and Grinding. 16 distinct difficulty options exist to be combined as desired.
All worlds are generated with chests that give everything to you, and have innumerable world-sized platforms
The game has been optimized away. Now we may relish in the infinite bliss that is uninterrupted boss rush playthroughs

[neat linden]

[fossil finch]

2024

[neat linden]

true

[fossil finch]

i think everytime something like this comes up we should just like go

2024

[small timber]

I always dont like how every qol/resource farm must be all pooled onto bosses

[spring sail]

And she would be dropping souls of light soon

[small timber]

next will be like make plantera drop chlorophyte bar, make golem drop large amount of solar tablet fragment, make lunatic cultist drop fragments as soon as it is defeated

[swift wharf]

doesnt cultist already do that

[austere cargo]

replace the crystal core with a new female ninja npc

[spring sail]

It’s deus

[small timber]

make hardmode evil2 bosses (hive mind, perf) drop souls of night, make eye of cthulhu drop blood orb, make aquatic scourge drop corroded fossil, fuck it just make WoF drop 50 souls of night and light on first kill why not

[austere cargo]

or alternatively with the drunk princess

[spring sail]

Another reason is crystal crawler. Does anyone see them often? I think they don’t spawn properly and this disrupts the farming. For example a simple underground crimson farm let you kill lots of ichor stickers, but crystal crawlers are much rarer

[small timber]

I mean ichor stickers is one of the main spawn of underground crimson, and crystal crwaler is not

underground hallow main spawn is like, chaos elemental, hallow bat, hallow slime, things like that

[spring sail]

So you don’t get as much crystal as ichor

[swift wharf]

ah ok

[small timber]

you can mine crystals, crystal crawler is just like, one of the other way you can do it

[fossil finch]

then make crystal crawlers spawn more often i thing

dumping a material into a boss should be the last option

[short walrus]

crawler rework

uncommon miniboss based off DS3's giant crystal lizards

[spring sail]

I know. There’s even another way, fishing. But my sugg is more for consistency

[umbral gazelle]

🤨

[fossil finch]

what consistency

[spring sail]

And crystal takes TIME to spawn too

[fossil finch]

fishing is already consistent

mining is already consistent

[small timber]

(oh right I forgot you are the suggestion poster)

but ya, the suggestion itself is fine, just I personally dislike how every resource farm is catered towards refarming bosses and nothing else

[fossil finch]

if crystal crawlers don't spawn often enough, make them spawn more

up their crystal drops

[spring sail]

Bosses drop ichor/cursed flames

[fossil finch]

dumping it into a boss should be the last option

yeah and i disagree wholly with that

because it's stupid

[small timber]

(which is actually something I also dislike, but I think it is partially because the other evil biome can be difficult to get ichor/cursed flame since you need to mine the sky evil island and spread it underground)

[fossil finch]

reinstitute evil exclusivity when

[small timber]

evil exclusivity will be non-existent anyway due to vanilla doing it, and cal is probably not changing it

but ya, evil island stay exist for now

[crude geode]

Evil exclusivity found dead by vanilla’s hands

[small timber]

though the evil island do have 1 function, namely you can get it pre-Hardmode

[spring sail]

Crystals can really take a long time to spawn, and there’s actually more things that require crystals than ichor/cursflame

[small timber]

the dryad-graveyard-sell opposite evil seed thing is hardmode locked

[fossil finch]

those arguments don't argue for it to become a boss drop

there is already 3 ways to get crystals

if they aren't enough, buff them

don't make it a boss drop

[small timber]

^

[crude geode]

The sugg is fine even if it heavily pisses some people off

Consistency is always a valid sugg reason

[small timber]

basically your suggestion is probably fine as it is, just ya some people will disagree, it is just how it is

[crude geode]

Only if it’s cal with cal itself, and not cal with vanilla

[fossil finch]

me going to sleep know cal devs also disagree

[spring sail]

K, I know that, still thanks for the criticism

Seeing they already make QS drop SoL I actually don’t think they’ll disagree

[small timber]

probably? since apparently QS do have connection to crystal shard (as in, a giant crystal as the core)

[fossil finch]

qs drops lights because of the altar breaking thing
they very much dislike boss centric farming too

she has an incentive yeah that's never what i was talking about

[crude geode]

They hate what they have accidentally created

Something something Frankenstein was not the monster

[fossil finch]

(the monster was called monster

(of frankenstein

[small timber]

not sure about how a suggestion that includes recipe change for multiple weapon will work, but I guess it is fine?

[short walrus]

uhm acktually the monster named himself adam

[unborn oriole]

🤓

[spring sail]

It’s probably flexible right? I mean if they don’t like one of them they don’t have to disregard every single one

[hot zephyr]

state mandated blood moon fishing

https://tenor.com/view/smile-or-not-orange-cat-smile-cat-smiling-orange-cat-gif-23340477

[eternal escarp]

blood moon fishing is cool..

[small timber]

ya it is good, just have to like, make death mode blood moon not absolutely terrible for fishing/anything that is not killing things

(make blood moon fishing the main blood orb source when)

I just realise if the recipe change suggestion get pass/more blood moon fishing drops get included in recipe (blood rain bow, blood thorn, sanguine staff... probably can find a place somewhere), people will just suggest to make blood moon fishing drops/weapons craftable with blood orb because QoL, and it will gonna be cringe

[dire herald]

It becomes a circle

[eternal escarp]

if that happens i believe we will just not care :clueless

insert 2024 copypasta and rover message here

[small timber]

@cerulean kestrel put "Give A Recipe to the Compass" in the title and "It is annoying to farm" in the body and you are good to go

instead of "This suggestion is very simple" as the title and the rest in the body

[austere cargo]

Is "give calamitas (the NPC) a bigger role in the game" one of those overdone suggestions?

[short walrus]

not really

(i think the devs have plans from more enchantments, reworks and exhumes for cal

[inner anvil]

I don't know what you mean by reworks, but the other one's are correct.

[short walrus]

reworking current enchantments and exhumes

sorry if it wasnt clear

[inner anvil]

Eh, maybe.

But more enchantments and exhumes are coming, that's for sure.

Reworks maybe not so much.

[short walrus]

good to know

[small timber]

I think there are suggestions to make Calamitas the NPC appear earlier into the game, but all denied

so she pretty much will only appear after you beat her, and I imagine she will have more role when more (final) bosses are added

[austere cargo]

Yeah, appear earlier (not in the town) is kind of what I was thinking. For such a story important character, she really has almost no presence in the game

but if they've all been denied then not much point in suggesting it

[short walrus]

she really has no reason to appear, especially in prehardmode

[austere cargo]

presumably if she were to appear, it would be after beating calclone

[short walrus]

"so you beat the shit out of crippled-me. neat"

[austere cargo]

show up randomly like the skeleton merchant, sell...something? give some lore stuff through dialogue, that sort of thing

probably not named Calamitas

[short walrus]

considering that right now she tries to kill us on sight the first time we meet her i dont think so

[austere cargo]

yeah I guess that would be a change to her character

though given her questionable loyalty to Yharim maybe it wouldn't

I guess "surprise, that brimstone witch lady you've been seeing around the world is actually that Calamitas person you've heard so much about" only works on the first playthrough

[small timber]

I think even the suggestion where she just "appear earlier" (not in town) is denied

I think the suggestion's idea is exactly the same as what you are saying right now

[austere cargo]

yeah, that's why I asked about it before suggesting it. figured I couldn't be the first person to come up with the idea

btw, does 1.4 fix the sandstorm in a bottle's interaction with wings?

[tame dagger]

@cerulean kestrel I would reccomend IMK sushi's mods, they save that

[austere cargo]

because if it does there goes another suggestion I had

[drowsy plank]

how come no one flagged the_angry_one's sugg i thought we agreed that was a bug and shouldnt be in suggestions

[dire herald]

I suppose the final bit can still be kept?

Gives the trio some more stuff in their loot pools

[short walrus]

(which one is thiers)

[small timber]

ya, only keep the later one

I thought it was weird that your suggestion seem to have 2 different part, but ya I didnt misread it

probably just change the suggestion to be fully about having the mechs drop the ore they unlock and thats all; remove the hallowed bar part since it is established to be a bug

[dire herald]

Altered it to remove that section and added some justification

[keen zodiac]

@sly gust read the pins please

[short walrus]

@sly gust similar suggestion rejected

[eternal escarp]

it really just takes 2 minutes max with no spawn rate boosters

[fossil finch]

I am crying

[keen zodiac]

calamity players read the pins challenge (99% impossible)

[short walrus]

@main hatch acorns literally exist

just plant more

[eternal escarp]

or make an adequate number of acidwood trees always spawn at world gen
and something like this is already integrated

[main hatch]

mb by plant them i meant plant acorns

[eternal escarp]

around 6 trees will attempt grow on world spawn

[short walrus]

its really not a pain

[eternal escarp]

which should frankly be enough

you can also bring some of the sand with you to your base

and plant acorns on it

if anything id ask to lower the amount of urchin stingers

rather then the not much wood you need

[swift wharf]

or fish for crates

you don't need a lor

[small timber]

you probably need like 2-3 acorn for it, and thats it, you likely have enough

[short walrus]

@vapid nest no references for the sake of references, lack of reasoning, and improper formatting

[vapid nest]

Ok. So Hedgehog suit
Description:
Speed Of Light!

[short walrus]

(absolutely not)

[vapid nest]

Ahw man😩

[dire herald]

Paint the volt bunny blue

Close enough

[short walrus]

suggestion posting down bad

@rotund pelican ping a tester here, and no reasoning/bad formatting/dedicated content has to be approved by dedicatee

[rotund pelican]

ok

[fossil mural]

Nadir got murdered by the melee speed changes

[drowsy plank]

how many is this at this point

dozens probably

[fossil mural]

Suggestions have been awful this week

[drowsy plank]

maybe we need to add "check pins" to this channel too

[swift wharf]

el purgatory

[small timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/859804429536198676.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[neat linden]

lack of formatting, lack of explanation

gotta love these suggs

[worn salmon]

i love that gif

[stable musk]

@vapid nest

❗

The exclamation

[vapid nest]

what

[stable musk]

Just remove the sugg please.

it's like

uhh

[vapid nest]

what is sugg

[stable musk]

[vapid nest]

oh

[vapid nest]

i dont understand

what do i do

@stable musk i want me to remove that hedgehog word?

[stable musk]

It's an exclamation 100%

SIS /Specified-Item-Suggestion

[vapid nest]

so what

[drowsy plank]

it breaks the rules

[stable musk]

Well it's a SIS

[vapid nest]

ahh

well i will remove

[drowsy plank]

thanks

[stable musk]

thanks

@rotund pelican

Reasoning.

[vapid nest]

we cant talk about itens?

[rotund pelican]

its weak lol

[stable musk]

You can't suggest them

[stable musk]

Reasoning.

[fossil mural]

You need to ping a tester for item balance

And get their information

[vapid nest]

so how i suppose to want an vanity

oh

[fossil mural]

You can't suggest specific items or vanity

End of story

[vapid nest]

how do i do this

[stable musk]

Hmm...

I want for bosses to drop their ores so i can just kill boss a few times more and don't go underground 715th time

[vapid nest]

yes good idea

[stable musk]

While also their own drop become obtainable different way (like divine geodes)

[drowsy plank]

go ask on calval lmao. but also "sonic vanity" will not get in

#bugs-read-pins

[vapid nest]

ahw man

[left osprey]

ty

[vapid nest]

i really like if the hedgehog stuff come in

[drowsy plank]

just go play a sonic mod or something i guarntee it probably exists

[drowsy plank]

np

[small timber]

weapon balance suggestion nowadays are handled by pinging a tester, since it is like way more efficient

[vapid nest]

it doesn't

[drowsy plank]

that makes no sense there is literally nothing about hedgehogs or sonic in any of the calamity mod and there never will be because reference items purely for the sake of reference are stupid. ignoring the fact you can't suggest specific items per the rules, and unless absolutely necessary, vanity items are left to calval

[small timber]

though I am sure they already know nadir is bad already, but I will give you the tester list nontheless

[rotund pelican]

ok

[small timber]

here

[drowsy plank]

yeah lol

[vapid nest]

ok. sorry for bug you guys

[proven needle]

Hello I would like to ask about magiluminescence and why it was nerfed, specifically the acceleration

[inner anvil]

Too much of a big boost for how early it is.

[distant gyro]

pre-boss item is somehow the best movement speed boost accessory in the game

[proven needle]

I personally believe that if the acceleration nerf were to be lightened slightly it could be a viable alternative to the dashes

Trade in very good bursts of movement for overall more fine-tuned movement

[distant gyro]

sure, but what stops you from combining both and becoming unstoppable

[small timber]

I think the acceleration is mostly untouched? forgot about it

[distant gyro]

are you then suggesting that magi should disable dashes to work as an actual alternative?

[safe oasis]

self control and lack of god complex

[fossil finch]

That doesn't exist on this community

[safe oasis]

true

[fossil finch]

Also it's still a point for balance

[proven needle]

I believe that you would be using up a valuable accessory slot by equipping both

[small timber]

magiluminescence will have to give like, 500% movement speed, deceleration and acceleration to compete with dash

[distant gyro]

what other accessory would you use that early on

the par for the course is like a band of regen

[swift wharf]

1.25x instead of 2x

[proven needle]

It was nerfed from x2.00 to x1.25

[small timber]

I think it is mostly that magiluminescence is super costly too

[swift wharf]

topaz and demonite isnt costly

[small timber]

it takes a lot of crimson/demonite ore and topaz on top of that, it is not exactly a super easy craft for the payout

[fossil finch]

It's

[proven needle]

Pre-boss is a very short timespan in the course of a calamity play through

[fossil finch]

Super easy to craft lmao

[swift wharf]

planetoids fix the topaz issue

[fossil finch]

Topaz is extremely common

[small timber]

the thing is by the time you are able to get it you probably have better accessories

[distant gyro]

there exists boots, bottle+, dash

[small timber]

considering not everyone value acceleration/deceleration, especially against preHM bosses

[distant gyro]

that are basically always equipped

[small timber]

shark tooth necklace, frog leg, aerostone; there are a few worth

[distant gyro]

the rest are like, shark tooth necklace

[swift wharf]

the recipe is slightly more expensive in cal but still

[distant gyro]

defensive accessories early game basically do not exist, except for fungal carapace which is a load of effort

and magi is definitely more worth than something shackle, band of regen, amidias' spark

[small timber]

the thing is the benefit that magiluminescence is not valuable against preHM bosses, since not many of them require precise movement, or rather not to the point you use an item for it

I actually find magi more useful for bosses like empress of light than preHM bosses

[fossil finch]

Also wouldn't a x2 still be good later on anyway

[frozen hornet]

You really only need to go spelunking (or extractinating, which is even easier) for topaz and kill EoC a few times

[distant gyro]

well

movement accessories are popular because it helps getting around, even at the slightest

[swift wharf]

are we not gonna talk about cthulhu suggestion or

[distant gyro]

for early game getting to point A to point B faster in general is a perk

[small timber]

there is no saving for that one

[neat linden]

what a wonderful suggestion :hdflr:

[distant gyro]

what suggestion

[small timber]

but magi dont give MS anymore no? just the acel/decel

[proven needle]

In calamity or vanilla?

[small timber]

so it is particularly useful for very precise movement (or turnaround), but not useful for general travelling

[swift wharf]

I am pretty sure it still gives 20%

[safe oasis]

people actually extract for gems in 1.4 calamity?

gem critters and scuttlers make you get so many, along with gem trees

[small timber]

well, calamity, since it is rebalanced for cal

[swift wharf]

wiki says this

that is horrible to read hold on

[fossil finch]

Now that scuttler's jewel is extractinable, assumedly for more gems, it's stupid

[distant gyro]

definitely for more gems

what else could it be for

[drowsy plank]

scuttle extracts are gonna be so dumb but im not complaining

[safe oasis]

gem overflow, terraria economy RUINED

[swift wharf]

a smaller, weaker scuttle jewel

[proven needle]

I just believe it can be a viable alternative to dashes if unnerfed slightly

[drowsy plank]

ok here's a better question

why

[small timber]

it can be as an 'alternative', but to compete it will be like, not even close

even if you fully unnerfed magi to vanilla version it will still be worse than dash (or like, only really work for preHM bosses), and let alone the utility some dash give you, like SoC bonk and Counter Scarf dodge

[proven needle]

That makes the nerf seem unnecessary if it cannot compete with the dashes

[small timber]

well, you can use it with dash in the current version

[fossil finch]

Yeah like you kinda miss the point there

[small timber]

(since I thought the idea you propose was to disable dash with magi but unnerfed it)

[fossil finch]

I don't think people use it to compete with dashes

It's just an speed boost item

[swift wharf]

yeah

[proven needle]

That would sacrifice an accessory slot that could be used for another accessory

[fossil finch]

Yes

[small timber]

that is also why I claimed imo magi is not particularly good for preHM bosses, and only like, really good for specific bosses like Empress of Light

[fossil finch]

Of which you 5 in phmode, 6 in hmode and 7 in post ml assuming non master

There's space i think

[distant gyro]

that is a common argument for any accessory ever, however

[fossil finch]

Specially if you want to have an speed focused build

[small timber]

but ya, I do think the solution will not be like, rebuff it, since it was nerfed for a reason

[distant gyro]

movement speed and defense are very special

both types of builds have insane commitment benefits if left untouched

[small timber]

does magi actually increase top speed? I thought it basically only make you go to top speed faster, at least from the time I use it

(and stop faster of course)

[proven needle]

I would like to know exactly, since I am still in the dark concerning that

[distant gyro]

it does

[small timber]

#suggestions-voting message I did proposed this, but didnt get enough vote, barely missed it I think since the average was like 140+

it will not be like the perfect solution, but I do think it is one of the way to buff the item

[proven needle]

It does, but I am suggesting an acceleration un-nerf and leaving the movement speed untouched

[small timber]

I actually think the acceleration/decel is the strong part, the movement speed less so

but ya, it is a weird accessory

[proven needle]

That would sound like a good idea actually

[small timber]

since technically its effect can be used until scal, but at the sametime it is available pre-boss; but can also be argued to be a completely useless accessory

[distant gyro]

speed building allows bosses to never hit you, and defense building gives immortality

in a vacuum 2x acceleration may not be that good

[drifting wing]

i would never use magi just because a dash provides more utility

[distant gyro]

but what if you got enough top speed boosts to get to 120mph

[small timber]

I did used it specifically for the acceleration part as it was a fight I never try to outrun the boss, so I guess it depend on the purpose of equipping the accessory

I do have a movespeed txt, let me see if I still have it

[drowsy plank]

magi unnerf to try and make it... compete with dashes is dumb. it's just a very powerful accessory already

[small timber]

but ya tldr is just move speed matters a little for low value, and matters much more as you reach a certain (high) threshold, and increase exponentially; so eventually if you stack enough movement speed you go bananas

[proven needle]

Is it more or less powerful?

[drowsy plank]

it is a secondary item to be used with dash

stop trying to make this a dichotomy, it isnt

[distant gyro]

that conclusion matches with terraria's wing code

[proven needle]

It certainly can be used as a standalone accessory

It took me from king slime to calamitas clone

[small timber]

^

maybe 500% is a bit exaggerated, but this is probably what you have to do to make it compete with dash

[fossil finch]

Yet you still want to unnerf it to have a very weird niche?

[distant gyro]

i would not recommend comparing dashes or wings to other stuff

[small timber]

or at least be as optimal as dash

[distant gyro]

if you want something to be a dash alternative then it would have to disable dashes

ie. mounts

[proven needle]

But yeah maybe combining it’s effects with Statis ninja belt is a better way to go

[small timber]

ye making magi compete with dash will be like, trying to buff step stool to the point it can compete with bottles

[distant gyro]

in fact, mounts perfectly show a dash alternative

[proven needle]

Because if I remember correctly, it isn’t as good as the shields

Please correct me if I’m wrong

[distant gyro]

it's not

but there is a different reason as to why

[frosty trellis]

Status belts are not as good as the shields bc the lack of dash slowdown and lack of a ram

[distant gyro]

(shields have ram iframes, and thus the ability to dodge far better than dodges)

[small timber]

shields is just a lot more comfy than ninja gear; ninja gear is not like strictly worse, but it sure feels a lot worse to play around as you have to spec knockback immune

ninja gear you basically have to always dodge out of the way (and punished hard when you get hit), shield you dont have to do that (especially ram, as Altix mentioned)

[frosty trellis]

The ram is what makes the shields basically mandatory imo

[distant gyro]

for the rate of shields ramming, you can get like 6 dodges in the duration that a dodge accessory can get one

[frosty trellis]

Dodge is 90 second cooldown

So way more than that

[distant gyro]

even if you're not intending to iframe abuse from rams

[proven needle]

So perhaps giving statis ninja belt more fine-tuned movement outside of dashes would allow it to compete better with shields

[small timber]

(that said the magi suggestion actually is already out of voting so I will just repost it once, since it was pretty close; if it still fail then I will think of a better idea)

[distant gyro]

so it's really just a matter of dodges sucking/rams being too op/both/neither

[frosty trellis]

The Dodge is just more awkward and less punishing than a ram

Since you can ram in the direction an enemy is dashing (like Yharon and fishron, f.e.) and still get the iframes if you hit the wrong key

[proven needle]

I believe there is good potential to be had with acceleration accessories

[small timber]

ye, it was part of the idea why I tried to give ninja gear the effect of magi; since magi give exactly that

currently I found with ninja gear is the dash is actually too long that by trying to go out of the way, you went into another attack
magi's effect give you the option to just not dash

[proven needle]

It’s a movement component I believe deserves to be expanded on

[fossil finch]

Dashes should dodge i think

[distant gyro]

it should

[small timber]

if it has the same ram/dodge effect as shields/aegis I do feel it will be like, quite OP considering it was the main thing shield/ram was used for; and ninja gear have longer range and some mobility increase on top of that

[proven needle]

There are many good situations that I think are overlooked where acceleration is valuable

[small timber]

I think ideal will be like, make the dodge have much lower cooldown if you are dashing while the attack hit you (or contact damage only)

[distant gyro]

shields are probably a bit op already

[frosty trellis]

Isn't status void sash like, 45 blocks or something obsurd like that?

[distant gyro]

increased defense, increased health, general utility with the debuff immunities, and iframe abuse potential

[small timber]

the other solution will be to put counter scarf effect into ninja gear, but it will definitely make ninja gear super goated

[frosty trellis]

That is like, a terrible idea for Yharon and SCal

A 45 block dash

[proven needle]

So go the other way, with the fine-tuned movement acceleration a potential magi and belt combination would give you, you don’t have to dash at all

[small timber]

(why would you not dash on a dash accessory, you already are using it)

[safe oasis]

because belt dashes are comically long

no reason to use em

[small timber]

it would be like if we give frog leg and wings a combination, then you decide that just jumping from the ground is good enough to replace the wing's function

[proven needle]

I guess what I mean is that it gives you more options for movement

[small timber]

ya, that I can agree on

[distant gyro]

honestly thinking about it

magi's unique effects are probably a bit obsolete by the point of the belts

[proven needle]

I would argue otherwise

[distant gyro]

it affects the ground

[proven needle]

I think it also affects air movement

[distant gyro]

when do you stick to the ground at the point of pml

the movement speed boost does

[small timber]

it definitely still help, since I equipped it for EoL and it was great; for an extra accessory cost not so much, but combined into an accessory you are already using, definitely is good effect to get

[proven needle]

Acceleration is highly valuable for bullet hells

[distant gyro]

acceleration and deceleration are for running

otherwise wtf do dunerider boots do

also increase your flight?

[small timber]

it helps with quite a few, profande guardian (ideal spear dodging is by standing still and do small movement), providence star (if you are angled), DoG laser walls, Yharon will help somewhat depend on playstyle, and scal
HM will be like, PBG's plague nuke, ravager? since you can position much better but this only is worthwhile with ram, EoL definitely, cultist somewhat, and I think thats it

magi helps with allowing you to do precise movement with decel by basically eliminating momentum, accel I dont find that super useful especially if you are using boots

[proven needle]

(Providence cocoon attacks, yharon fireball rings, Scal bullet hells)

[distant gyro]

both of them increase the same variable

i could just check movement code again

yeah acceleration and deceleration from magi does not affect flying or falling

the gains you get are most likely from the 20% movement speed boost which is buffed in calamity

[proven needle]

What the heck, it doesn’t?

Well it should

[distant gyro]

the variable is quite literally called runAcceleration and runSlowdown

seems more of an ambiguity issue tbh

movement code in general is really weird

if you are flying with wings, your previous speed that you had with boots are overridden

[proven needle]

Regardless, when combining it with the belt (hypothetically), I think it should give acceleration buff in the air

[distant gyro]

whatever the case is

it has to go through the strict condition of never being allowed to be too fast

[nocturne laurel]

Add again the astralgedon slime

[proven needle]

In which capacity

[small timber]

the effect is like, somewhat noticeable, just definitely not worth investing a slot

but ya, it is not nothing at the very least

(and this is the nerfed version, from 2.0 to 1.25)

[distant gyro]

it is a balanced to be a marginal accessory

if it is standalone then aero stone and vital jelly should also be

[small timber]

I can try to grab a clip from vanilla, and reduce my MS by 20% accordingly to see how much the acel part matter

[distant gyro]

and imagine the reality where vital jelly gives 200% jump speed again

[small timber]

oh right it was funny

[proven needle]

How bad was the situation back then

[distant gyro]

and then you stack it with another movement accessory and become god

no boss can reach you

[small timber]

(holy shit I just got reminded that MS is useless in vanilla)

[distant gyro]

except bosses like scal that limit the arena

[small timber]

for vanilla its effect is definitely much more obvious (particularly the accel/decel part, I try to account for MS by turning off switftness)

but ya in vanilla MS being mostly not doing anything also make it a lot more scuffed

[swift wharf]

vanilla movement speed is funny

[small timber]

(this one is with somewhat buffed MS, probably more fairer since I think it do help with boots acceleration)

[proven needle]

Do you think the x2.00 effect would be overpowered in calamity

Because I certainly do see the difference

[small timber]

maybe, but you definitely have to play for it in a way that it have effect

since the code say it do not work on air, which means if you are flying this effect is nullified

the thing is just with an accessory (vanilla version) that drastically alter movement like this, it will always be bound to be abused in some way, eventhough for most people it is useless
(oh right vanilla version's movement speed specifically stack with boots too, no wonder it was so goated)

but ya I think if cal like, make the accel/decel 1.5x (tbh, even at 2.0x I think most people will still argue it is bad since ground = bad); and make the movement speed at like 10% (probably fair since anklet of the wind/aerostone/vital jelly is 10%) and make it a normal movement speed instead of like, a weird boots speed multiplier it will be a fair buff, and even then it will really only be like, a great accessory (eg: frog leg, aerostone) and still not quite compete with sandstorm jump

[proven needle]

It would be expanding a niche I think deserves to be expanded on so it sounds like a fair buff

[vapid crane]

I saw a suggestion to add a boot upgrade between angel treads and seraph tracers and I feel like magiluminescence could fit there maybe?

[small timber]

angel treads is still useful for the entire rest of hardmode so I dont really feel there is a need for upgrade tbh

(since angel treads get better with better wings, due to it buffing wings too)

[proven needle]

I think it would better if the effect were put on the master ninja gear upgrade line

Because I think that that upgrade line doesn’t quite match up to the shields and combining magi there would be ideal

[small timber]

ye, boots is more about pure speed than anything, magi is more about precise movement by accel/decel quickly (which fit ninja gear more)

[swift wharf]

mmyes making flinx fur craftable instead of making flinxes spawn more/drop more fur

[frail mantle]

just make flinxes spawn more and not have stupid spawn conditions

👍

[swift wharf]

very true

[ashen warren]

exacttly

but i think my idea was just a temporary fix

[golden tulip]

dont need a temporary fix if you fix it the right way

not like it takes much effort i think

[fossil finch]

1.4.4 already fixed flinx spawns

[ashen warren]

t modloader has not

[golden tulip]

huh

[ashen warren]

snow flinxes is there name YET THEY CANT SPAWN ON SNOW

[swift wharf]

woah wtf

[golden tulip]

malding rn

yea that is pretty stupid

[gray nebula]

lmfao

[ashen warren]

well thats all from me ill be crying in a corrner because of my bad bulding skills

[thick crater]

add "exo monolith" or smth like that

i mean, the exo mechs background is so good

[unique vector]

@dry forge ill argue that sus scrap is supposed to be hard to find

for a legendary item

[dry forge]

didnt know the shpc was a legendary item

[swift wharf]

@covert nova I'd add the other candle to the suggestion too

[covert nova]

the other one?

Oh like peace candle

[swift wharf]

yeah

tranquility candle

[covert nova]

ye

[swift wharf]

Wait

Those are toggleable

But with wires it seems

byeah right click is nice still

[golden tulip]

@warm jetty i think theyre already making the speed boost configurable

[warm jetty]

Yeah I'm not sure. It used to be a config option but it was removed as an option.

Yes it was

[warm jetty]

There used to be an optional mining speed boost.

[eternal escarp]

i can also confirm that is indeed happening iirc

[warm jetty]

before 1.5

[eternal escarp]

i saw the toggle ingame once in beta so like

lol

[golden tulip]

so yea you can delete it sir creeper

wish granted

[fossil mural]

It's not currently an option, it will be when the next update

[dapper violet]

Having to research Draedon Power Cells and Draedon's Arsenal would be a life saver for Journey players :3

Especially when crafting the Exo Furniture

I mean we can research the cell factory

[near fossil]

The blood relic is redundant now because of the bloody tear, what should happen to it?

[dapper violet]

Removed probably

[near fossil]

I was thinking it could be turned into a placeable item that prevents blood moons from happening while it's active

Removing it is probably a better idea though

If anyone likes the recipe it can just be given to the bloody tear

[dapper violet]

I feel like there also should be monoliths that change the background in a way like with boss rush and the yharon fight

[fossil finch]

wasn't blood relic already removed

[dapper violet]

Yeah

It is

[fossil finch]

anyways too bad they're intentionally unresearchable

[dapper violet]

I checked

[dapper violet]

:<

Suggestion bot did post a suggestion for it

[proven needle]

What I’m wondering is why the vanity sets that come from treasure bags are unresearchable

It was never mentioned in the calamity 1.4 migration doc of items that were not getting research support

[inner anvil]

What do you mean? There is Research support, it's in the game already.

There is some things that we made intentional not to get, like it was mentioned before, the Draedon's Arsenal.

And what Vanity sets do you mean exactly? So I can go find it?

[proven needle]

Andromedon’s set is one I think

[inner anvil]

Is that a thing?

Ah, I see what you mean.

[proven needle]

Just checked

[inner anvil]

This is not Calamity content, so it's not our problem.

[proven needle]

Is it a tmodloader set or something?

[inner anvil]

Yes, these are tMod sets.

[proven needle]

Oh shoot bro

I did not know

I can only wonder then why they would not provide support

[near fossil]

@inner anvil Why are arsenal weapons not able to be duplicated?

[dapper violet]

That's what I thought

[near fossil]

What was the reason for that

[inner anvil]

I do not know the reason exactly, a dev can tell you.
It might be due to the charging mechanic, which could break the game.

[dapper violet]

We can dupe money in Vanilla :P

[inner anvil]

Break the game as in crash it, the weapon not working or corrupting worlds.

[dapper violet]

Oh

Better safe than sorry

[near fossil]

If money can be duplicated, power cells should be

[dapper violet]

@near fossil

[oblique geyser]

Well draedon components can't be duplicated

[proven needle]

#calamity-update-talk message

Merkalto’s explanation on why draedon’s aresenal can’t be researched

[dapper violet]

Player corruption
Yeah, definitely better safe than sorry

[proven needle]

Basically

They could make it researchable no problem, but that could open up a huge can of worms in terms of corruption

Presumably because of their coding complexity or something

[dapper violet]

Yeah most likely

The mod itself is complex

Might as well store them in a chest when I craft them :P

Thanks for letting me know :3

[charred kayak]

In suggestions place what does the reaction ”compressoon ” mean

[frail mantle]

pins

[charred kayak]

So it is bad

[frail mantle]

it is generally not a reaction you want your suggestion to have because it means it can't be passed over to #suggestions-voting yes

[golden tulip]

@fresh stone getting fixed next update

[fresh stone]

awesome

[charred kayak]

Ah okay just wondering because my friend got 6 of them lol😬

[golden tulip]

👍 (you can remove the sugg)

[fresh stone]

aight

[drowsy plank]

"no reason" i mean the reason is to get them up to scuff with the rest of the game, im p sure they're planned with the astral rework, and sulph just, whenever, either way, good sugg to have in voting ig even if i dont expect people to actually vote for it

[frail mantle]

i mean in #suggestions-posting the amount of reactions doesn't matter past the first one

people just like to click on reactions for no real reason even though it doesn't do anything

[sharp rapids]

if thats about my sugg, yeah thats the reason together with my love for terraria foods, and thanks!

[drowsy plank]

np

[golden tulip]

can you confirm the euli ore gen is already fixed in beta Leon, or no

[golden tulip]

oh