suggestions-discussion

[gray nebula]

anyways like

[fossil finch]

it feels like excusing poor game design just because "some people like it"

[gray nebula]

yes we arent open to suggestions sorry

[neat linden]

spending time on many channels like help and advice made me realise that most people don't read tooltips

and like i said many times

[gray nebula]

We acknowledge some people liked to play with it , we apologize for that and proposed alternatives for it

[eternal escarp]

lol perfect example

[old breach]

saying its badly designed is subjective, i enjoyed it more than anything else modded terraria had to offer

[neat linden]

you want unfair, FTW is right there

waiting

[gray nebula]

but at the end of the day we can't satisfy everyone

[hollow shell]

Malice was never even intended to be a higher difficulty mode comparable to Death, it ended up that way through a series of mistakes and compromises

and we are trying to move away from the difficulty-maxxing no-hitter boss-rushing mindset
In line with the moving of Armageddon and Defiled to another mod, and the destruction of Iron Heart

Difficulty modes should be more interesting than making bosses move at ridiculous speeds
We will be working on making Death, the intended highest difficulty, have actually interesting changes

And in future updates we will be adding significantly more non-boss content to the mod on general, more biomes and enemies

[eternal escarp]

its not subjective tbh its quite litterslly badly designed if it wasnt balanced correctly and can sometimes be outright unfsir

[fossil finch]

saying it's badly designed is not as subjective as whether you like it or not, which is like the actually subjective thing here

[neat linden]

overall balance isn't really subjective tbf

fun and difficulty are

[fossil finch]

also yeah i would call unfair bosses badly designed

objectively

[old breach]

which is why you dont choose to play on that mode

[fossil finch]

that's an awful excuse

[old breach]

then remove all the difficulty items

[neat linden]

ignoring a problem doesn't remove the problem

[old breach]

why even have choices

[swift wharf]

there is literally

one difficulty item

[fossil finch]

"this is bad, which is why you can choose to not use it, we will never improve because it's a choice!!!!"

[swift wharf]

and it's gael

[eternal escarp]

wrong arguement eclipse

[inner anvil]

Objective excuse: Testers don't want to test it. :troll:

[old breach]

rev death and malice are all three difficulty items

[gray nebula]

actually all 3 difficutly items got deleted

[swift wharf]

unless you mean the activators?

[gray nebula]

lmfao

next update u select difficulty thru tan UI

[eternal escarp]

he means difficulties as a whe

TRUE IBAN

[hollow shell]

Because we actually put effort into Rev and Death

[swift wharf]

iban for the w

[neat linden]

SO TRUE

[fossil finch]

anyways "why not remove all difficulties" is like not an argument
we're removing malice precisely to put effort into the other ones

instead of having 3 to put effort in

[swift wharf]

baffles me how people want low effort things instead of high effort things

terraria playerbase is fucked up

[hollow shell]

Removing one out of the FIVE difficulty modes does not slippery-slope into removing two more

[inner anvil]

"Why not remove all difficulties?"
We're not Elden Ring/Dark Souls.

[neat linden]

people were mad about weapon removals of 2.0

[hollow shell]

FIVE, by the way

[gray nebula]

the dream is that all new difficulties are Awesomely and its like

turn on death mode and Bam new fresh fights

[old breach]

and again, im sure the majority of people who play malice mode dont want you to balance it

[gray nebula]

and its slr

[small timber]

Oh right difficulty items are nuked
time for my super secret 'make adrenaline and rage toggleable on normal and expert mode' suggestion

[old breach]

they like the difficulty, and would want you to focus on other areas of the mod

[gray nebula]

well cuz thats

the majority of people that kept on playing malice mode

[lavish condor]

Funnily enough the first argument was about how this server mob mentality'd into defending the removal of Malice and look where we are

[gray nebula]

cuz the ones that hated it just

[eternal escarp]

ive seen a lot of people play malice and get mad because its unfakr

[gray nebula]

turned it off

[eternal escarp]

so idk

[gray nebula]

yea

All my friends playing malice have just been annoyed by it because its jsut not fun

[eternal escarp]

same

[fossil finch]

far away i see a future where death is either poggers lol lmao or like, Survival Mode where its not ai changes and its just biome changes but good and rev is left to do the ai stuff

[gray nebula]

admittedly it was before the nerf, and they felt obligated to play it because of the drop, but still

[small timber]

The majority of player complain about how malice is an unbalanced piece of shit, it is why malice only legendary items are forced to move in the first place

The player who can beat it and enjoy it is, in fact, probably much more minor

[old breach]

my trophy is completing it, i dont even want items

[lofty hedge]

There aren’t any items though.

Aside from gaels

[old breach]

exactly

[lofty hedge]

So?

[lavish condor]

The majority of Malice players is a minority of the overall player base. From the dev's perspective, keeping Malice in is lowering the overall quality of the mod for the majority of the players to pander for the minority of players.

[old breach]

so keep it in

[swift wharf]

THIS

[old breach]

alternatively, at least let it be a standalone mod

youve done the work, why delete it entirely

[swift wharf]

not their job

someone is gonna add it back anyway]

[lofty hedge]

That’ll probably happen anyway

[swift wharf]

so like

[inner anvil]

Someone else can do it.

[swift wharf]

lol!

[fossil finch]

pandering to min*rities (not the gamer grind

[lofty hedge]

But it’s not of concern to the devs.

[hollow shell]

At some point, somebody is going to make a "Malice" mod which makes it so Calamity's Boss Rush AIs (which are now identical to the former Malice AIs) are active throughout the full game

[lofty hedge]

^

[hollow shell]

You can wait for that mod to exist and then you can difficulty-max all you like

[eternal escarp]

it can be someones project, eont happen from the team

[swift wharf]

dear god people are treating this like the end of the world

[hollow shell]

Probably wouldn't be too hard to program

[old breach]

put a #suggestions-posting poll for keeping malice mode in then, to at least get a gauge of how many people would want to keep it instead of just saying no one wants it

[inner anvil]

Man, imagine if Malice never existed.

[gray nebula]

"just making a new mod" when it still implies upkeep so it doesnt break every update with tml

:teehee:

[swift wharf]

[eternal escarp]

i dont think a poll would really mean anything

[lofty hedge]

That would not work out well.

At all.

[fossil finch]

the poll would be like "please shoot malice's mother on the head"

[eternal escarp]

of course people will prefer it staying even if they domt care
youve likely not seen people cry over Holiday Halberds removal

[swift wharf]

holiday what

[hollow shell]

Hopefully it will just be a few boolean flips and therefore wouldn't have a lot to break

[swift wharf]

[sleek turret]

people cried over an item they didn't use!

[inner anvil]

People will forget in like 1-2 weeks, like all the changes they "Don't like".

[fossil finch]

i should get a png of heart rapier and name it something comically related to this

[swift wharf]

we should just gaslight ourselves into thinking that malice never existed I think that's a good solution

[eternal escarp]

yep

[fossil finch]

Heart Rapier Syndrome

[small timber]

Ah yes coldheart icicle

[hollow shell]

Coldheart was removed for a different reason tbf

[eternal escarp]

kindof snnoying gimmick iirc

more than just being another bloat

[swift wharf]

icicle was added to yharon

clearly

[small timber]

Icicle is a post dog yharon counter weapon

[old breach]

why? i would like to see an actual public opinion that wont be flooded with "nah ur wrong" like the other suggestions

[swift wharf]

perma shop is

[swift wharf]

make a reddit post idk

[old breach]

the reddit was permanently closed

[hollow shell]

We will

[inner anvil]

Because at the end of the day, the dev team decides what they do and what they don't.

[small timber]

It can somehow reach 1000 voted and it will not matter one bit

[old breach]

and they can absolutely do that, but closing your eyes and ears to the people who are actually playing it is an odd path to take

[swift wharf]

mourice mode is now trapped in the suggestion don't hell

[old breach]

at least let the discussion happen

[hollow shell]

Public opinion has a natural bias against anything being removed, as was mentioned earlier

[swift wharf]

it aint coming back

[inner anvil]

^

[old breach]

right now the only opinion is the devs opinion

and thats bizarre

[swift wharf]

[gray nebula]

thats SUS?

[analog quail]

Already did it, everyone so far doesnt want to engage in an actual debate or discussion and just says its a shit mode. Leaving difficulty like idk BOSS RUSH are meant to target those who want to truly go above the regular gameplay

[gray nebula]

i mean

all the other

ppl in the chat

saying "yeah malice coulda gotten deleted

[old breach]

they even have only one reaction on the #changelogs post and its a positive reaction

[gray nebula]

that arent devs

[fossil finch]

Heart Rapier Syndrome.png

[gray nebula]

what abt them

[old breach]

put a negative reaction on it

[gray nebula]

[lavish condor]

*Several people are typing..."

[gray nebula]

u dont know how to run a discord server do u oomfie

[hollow shell]

We're the ones making the mod
and the ones who have to deal with maintaining Malice, balancing it when we continue to get complaints for the rest of time about its unfair difficulty

[gray nebula]

me when i'm in a competition of Going absolutely nowhere and my opponent is #suggestions-discussion on the day of our lord the third of august 2022

[old breach]

alright, then how about a poll for "leave malice mode in, but do not officially balance it"

[gray nebula]

"not officially balancing it" isnt an option

the mod is meant to be high quality

[lofty hedge]

As blast said, people will vote to keep it even if they don’t use it, despite the fact that it’s an unbalanced and low quality piece of content.

Which is not what the devs want in their mod.

[swift wharf]

this is literally just make another mod

god

[hollow shell]

Because we literally cannot do that. People are still going to complain, because it's still playable in the mod. We shouldn't have an entire difficulty mode that we decide to just let stagnate regardless of its problems

[small timber]

If your ideal difficulty is literally a mode where the devs actively completely disregarded at that point just wait for people to make malice toggle as external mod

It will have about as much effort as malice with balance completely stripped, and it will save you for the argumenta

[lofty hedge]

^^^^

[swift wharf]

sorry lad no more pp poopoo diffs

[hollow shell]

You're complaining about us not listening to public opinion now, but your alternative solution also involves us not listening to public opinion about the mode being unfair
Regardless of which path we take we are still going to give the impression of shutting our eyes and plugging our ears

[drifting wing]

removing malice is good imo

[lavish condor]

He appears to have had a point on the mob mentality thing

[old breach]

look man

i love calamity

i love the work you guys have done

the way you handle suggestions and public opinions as a whole on this discord could use some work

im sad to see malice go

[analog quail]

Guys boss rush is hard plz remove is the same mentality you’re giving. Several of us are asking for a discussion and all we get is “sorry lad no more pp poopoo diffs”

[sullen hare]

From what I see way more people despised malice

It was made fun of constantly for being stupid

[old breach]

who said that? i only see the devs saying that and people mobbing onto it because the devs said it

[small timber]

Just wait for death mode to become malice (in terms of difficulty) but actually good and fair

[old breach]

its a fucking echo chamber

[analog quail]

Many people despise eidolon worm

[sullen hare]

Did you ever look in this server before now

[lofty hedge]

…no?

[drifting wing]

its just it was supposed to be a refight mode and it wasnt used as such. especially with the removal of challenge items it only makes sense

[unborn oriole]

Holy shit why is duncan defending malice so much

Is he on Anger stage rn or what

[fossil finch]

hes on denial and bargaining at the same time

[hollow shell]

Alright I'm sorry to do this but please stop talking about Malice in this channel immediately
I will give out Warns and Mutes to people who continue

[old breach]

see right there, duncan brought it up and people have been shitting on him nonstop since then

[unborn oriole]

Ohhhh that explains it

[hollow shell]

This convo is going nowhere and it never will go anywhere

So stop, please

[analog quail]

Told ya theres no discussion

[old breach]

^

[small timber]

How did exhumed weapon deal only 1 self damage

[inner anvil]

My face when.

[unborn oriole]

Ok so uhhh

[drifting wing]

for me it only did 1 damage

[small timber]

That, doesnt sounds reasonable? Unless it is bugged

[sullen hare]

I was wondering that too

Last time I used them they did a good 170-200

[hollow shell]

That does seem like a bug yes

Stop, Eddie.

[drifting wing]

wait seriously you guys have high self damage?

[old breach]

i said you made a great mod

[sullen hare]

Well I didn’t try them very recently

[old breach]

and i was dropping it

[sullen hare]

It might be a calamity bug or a mod conflict

[analog quail]

Its cause your not on ||redacted||

[hollow shell]

Ok yeah sorry Eddie I panicked when you called people delusional

[sullen hare]

Or maybe you just have insane defense lol but I doubt that

[old breach]

youre right i probably shouldnt have used that word

[drifting wing]

def not high defense

[sullen hare]

Definitely something weird going on then

What mods are you using

[drifting wing]

just alchemist

[terse sundial]

Definitely agree with the custom on hit bee effects

[small timber]

At least I think it is supposed to be high damage, I think metastasis (the brother one I forgor) and summoner dcal enchant are supposed to one shot you even? Not sure since I dont use them often

[terse sundial]

Good suggestion

[sullen hare]

Never heard that before so might be a calamity bug

Though I’m nowhere near my pc so I can’t really test that

[drifting wing]

every single one except gruesome does 1

[swift wharf]

some weapons do one shot you in master iirc

[drifting wing]

to me

i play expert revengeance

[sullen hare]

They def shouldn’t be dealing 1 damage

[terse sundial]

Okay the spawn rate suggestion is a lot more tedious than you think, but I think Rover already mentioned that

[small timber]

Maybe the self damage is reduced by defense now for some reason?

[drifting wing]

small projectiles

but gruesome does a good amount that one is perfect

its every other one

[lavish condor]

Kind of interested in how it works. There's probably not like a spawn rate stat is there

[golden tulip]

please no more self damage

[drowsy plank]

lite or full

[drifting wing]

lite

[drowsy plank]

hm

[small timber]

Did exhumed weapon self damage always affected by defense? Since looking at wiki (I am not on pc right now) exhumed weapon self damage are all below 100 except gruesome eminescence which is 420 on master mode

[fossil finch]

they did always yeah

it's just damage

[drifting wing]

if they only do 100 and are affected by defense that would make sense

[golden tulip]

there are plans to make enchantments better, right?

[small timber]

Scal enchantment?

[golden tulip]

yea

[small timber]

I think there are something said about removing the downside, not sure if it was referring to exhumed weapon, scal enchantment or both

[fossil finch]

enchantment process will be changed in the future according to rover, you'll have to get more than/not money

[golden tulip]

ic

[fossil finch]

ozz has also stated multiple times exhumes and stuff for the future won't be based around the "KILL YOURSELF..... NOW!" design principle

[drifting wing]

i still think they should so some damage

[small timber]

Ya, as of currently (where they still deal self damage) they should

[golden tulip]

i am beginning to see a pattern that a lot of recently introduced things quickly get changed and it icks me

[small timber]

I always thought they ignore defense which is why the self damage numbers seems low, but guess not

[hollow shell]

I dunno if existing exhumes/enchants will change, but any future ones will likely not deal self-damage as per Ozz's wishes

[drifting wing]

will there be different downsides

[hollow shell]

Yes

[drifting wing]

it would be more interesting that way and more unique so im down

[small timber]

(multi slots accessory)

[golden tulip]

that would be very unique

but possible to code?

[small timber]

I think iban said it will be quite easy depend on implementation, especially if just two accessory that is coded to only have effect when both equipped

[hollow shell]

I can imagine at least one way to execute that which would be very easy to code

yeah

[golden tulip]

huh

cool

also a creative solution i wouldnt have thought of that wow.

[small timber]

(also that can introduce 'accessory set bonus')

[drifting wing]

i see some crazy cool shit being added with that

[swift wharf]

having at least one that damages you is kinda cool imo

[gray nebula]

the

multi accessory thing was a joke oomf

😭

tho i mean accc combos sounds funny

idk why i didnt think of that before

ill remember it

[drifting wing]

my bad bro

[fossil finch]

dd sinergies

real

[analog quail]

When [Redacted] comes up

[spice bolt]

yay it got in

[drowsy plank]

what did

[spice bolt]

exoblade suggestion

[drowsy plank]

ah yeah

will be nice

[spice bolt]

im curious how it was reworked

[unborn oriole]

Rogue station when

[terse sundial]

@copper tree That's a bug, it's been fixed for the next update

[fossil finch]

add another recipe instead of fixing the bug

[copper tree]

oh

[fossil finch]

big brain

slam

[fossil mural]

I'm curious to see the exo blade rework

[lofty hedge]

Likewise.

[hushed jetty]

King soul hollow knight....

[lofty hedge]

@quick vale That’s a bug caused by the August tmod patch conflicting with the current version of calamity. A new update for calamity will release in couple days to a week, which will stop the bug from occurring, among other things.

[quick vale]

Mk

[lofty hedge]

Also, if you have any bugs, report them in #bugs-read-pins please.

[drowsy plank]

@vapid dawn that is a nothing suggestion and also far too drastic, which is against the rules

also it's just wrong like stealth strike rogue is very good lmao

[fossil finch]

you will not do more damage at all lmao

stealth has higher damage and kill times all over the board

[vapid dawn]

does it now

because it does not feel like that

my main issue with it is that it charges wayy too slow

[fossil mural]

You get accessories to help that

And can use potions

Invis/shadow and penumbra potions

[vapid dawn]

yeah, I'm well aware

I'm saying this after using all of these things

[fossil mural]

Idk what to tell you, once rogue gets it's accessories stealth Regen is fine

[frosty trellis]

Stealth rouge is broken

[fossil mural]

And stealth strikes will only use half your stealth meter

So you can chain 2 strikes often or have half wait time between strikes

[frosty trellis]

Stealth rouge once you get post-plant is just completely ridiculous

[fossil mural]

Now I will say

Early game stealth rogue

Not very fun

When like coin of deceit is your only accessory

[frosty trellis]

Stealth rouge early isn't fun, yeah

But once you get post-plant it's just death

[vapid dawn]

I see, well, maybe it's just not my playstyle to wait so much

[fossil finch]

early it works just fine

[frosty trellis]

Ye

It works fine

[fossil finch]

there's strong options through the entire game

[frosty trellis]

But it's not great

[fossil finch]

thats just wrong

[frosty trellis]

Early

It's not like hm rouge that just says no to so many things

[fossil mural]

When I played rogue a few weeks ago, early game it seemed like spam was better. It wasn't until like...post skeletron? That stealth felt stronger

[vapid dawn]

I'm trying out a crit build instead, it's pretty fun so far

[fossil mural]

But I'm not a rogue expert

[frosty trellis]

I'm no rouge expert either, but rn stealth rouge is abit broken

[fossil mural]

Part of what makes stealth crazy is when you get the accessory that makes every single stealth strike a crit

Guaranteed

[fossil finch]

(not sure how you get a crit build for rogue without also going for stealth but lo

[fossil mural]

That's when stealth went from cool to broken for me

[fossil finch]

stuff like meteor fist and spiky ball exist

the Disc.css is also a thing

[frosty trellis]

Meteor fist and spiky ball are both pre skele

[vapid dawn]

Which accessory is that?

[fossil mural]

I wasn't super impressed with meteor fist stealth

[fossil finch]

yeah that's what i am saying

[fossil mural]

The first weapon that WOWED me with stealth was tracking disc

From there on stealth felt awesome

[fossil finch]

meteor fist stealth fucking chips eoc's health away lol lmao

just because it's not oneshotting doesn't mean it's not great

[fossil mural]

Meteor isn't pre eoc though

[fossil finch]

curb your

[fossil mural]

Unless you do wormy or brainy boys before EoC for some reason

[fossil finch]

fair enough that's a 1.4

[fossil mural]

Dark gods sheathe

[vapid dawn]

So are you saying that stealth will do more dps than if I just spam if I go for a full stealth build with this acc?

[fossil mural]

Before this accessory, but this accessory like super proves it

Stealth has better dps at almost every game stage

[orchid briar]

I believe the segments on the map for all worm bosses has been denied in the past

[fossil finch]

It has

Dog's meant to be special

It's also not really useful for most bosses

Like for aew it'd serve literally no purpose

[vapid dawn]

Okay yeah I see what you meant by "op"

[crude geode]

@analog maple This is way too large of a rework for suggestions

[swift wharf]

First time playing melee be like

[crude geode]

Truely

[gray nebula]

meelee 2

except its more melee but also more mage

at once

and way more unpractical because bosses arent even designed around true melee

[analog maple]

fine i'll remove the suggestion

[hot zephyr]

lol malice suggestion

[inner anvil]

Thanks Ian.

For your contribuition.

@sonic wedge This is due to a bug.

[sonic wedge]

oh

[drowsy plank]

that means you should delete it

[vapid crane]

can we talk about how some items work while favorited while others just have to be in your inventory

[analog quail]

Inferium seems to only be up to moonlord. Anyone know any other mods similar?

[crude geode]

Not the channel for this

[cobalt pewter]

#suggestions-posting message

uh

it's already flagged so whatevs

[analog quail]

Everyone kept suggesting it here

Where should i ask then

[crude geode]

#other-mod-talk ig?

This is deliberately a channel for discussing suggestions to the mod, idk who pointed you where

[analog quail]

Scroll up

[drowsy plank]

ah yes a ding dong ditcher who has no idea wtf they're talking about

what else is new

[fossil finch]

it just doesn't make sense

truly

[unique vector]

@errant fog what are you even suggesting

[swift wharf]

well can't you fight dog after some of the bosses that come after him and why am I saying this it's gone

[fossil finch]

make dog a later boss because it odesn't make sense

Crying

Pretty sure today's bingo exceeds 20 at this point

Including removed ones i mean

[dapper violet]

How does Dog coming before Yharon not make sense

It has always been like this as well :P

[fossil finch]

It was about a sugg that got deleted

[dapper violet]

Oh my bad

[fallen plover]

Try to make good suggestions challenge

[karmic light]

Challenge attempted

[short walrus]

Ah, it's this time of month again

[half sage]

something something crags rework already planned

[small timber]

Brimstone crag already have a different background?

Or I completely misremembered

[karmic light]

It doesn't

[half sage]

nah it just gets a shader

[karmic light]

It's just a slight red tint that's barely noticable.

[short walrus]

What sethg98 said

Rework in progress

[half sage]

or maybe not shader just a tint

byea no background

[small timber]

Oh ok it is just shader, I think I remembered it as the lava changes colour

[karmic light]

Did they say in their rework that the brimstone crag is getting a background yet?

[short walrus]

The entire biome is being reworked into something that will take up half of hell

I'm pretty sure it's going to get a new background or three

[karmic light]

Pretty sure?

Not 100%?

[short walrus]

Figure of speech

[karmic light]

Then there is merit to my suggestion. Since no bg is confirmed for the crag, we can suggest it now before the rework and the devs might just add it in.

[short walrus]

Pointing out the irony in that statement where it is guaranteed to happen but uncertainty is still feigned, for comedic effect

[short walrus]

No point adding something guaranteed to be removed in place of something cooler

[karmic light]

In place? You mean it will get removed for another background?

That is still in line with having a background, and we still don't have a confirmed bg in the works since nothing was said.

[small timber]

With the full biome rework it is almost certain it will have new BG, but ya it is far away anyway

Like, really far away

[karmic light]

But we still don't know for sure

[swift wharf]

it will have more than one bg

iirc

[half sage]

it'll probably have 3, since it's being split into 3 different sections

[small timber]

The suggestion itself is not invalid due to the biome rework; it will really take maybe months at least (or even a year) until the biome rework drop
So having a new BG at the meantime do help

[karmic light]

Why duplicate boss summon items in baby mode if they aren't used up?

[quasi geyser]

because why would you hold them in an inventory?

[karmic light]

There are chests that can be duplicated

[quasi geyser]

also journey mode is moreso a sandbox mode. You can activate expert, master, revengeance, death, or malice mode it in it at anytime

[fossil bronze]

why would you put them in a chest when you can just

magically summon them ??

[quasi geyser]

exactly

[burnt condor]

consistency with calamity items is pretty cool

[quasi geyser]

no one would use chests in journey mode except for unreplicable items

[burnt condor]

harshing on journey mode players isn't as cool </3

[karmic light]

There's this cool mod I use in journey mode that basically auto-researches everything. It's designed for creative mode terraria.

[quasi geyser]

anyways the suggestion is for consistency, considering its strange to have vanilla boss summons require 3 while calamity requires 1

even though calamity changes all boss summon items to be unstackable and unconsumable, apart from like the lihzhard power cells

[burnt condor]

I agree! I actually though it was already amended in one of the earlier updates haha

[swift wharf]

sounds good

[burnt condor]

but yeah it's something I noticed in my playthrough

[fallen bison]

I know that this has probably been asked a lot already, but do you think that there will be a Yharim boss (outside of THE LORD)

[swift wharf]

Yes, yharim will be added eventually

[fallen bison]

Awesome!! Honestly, one of my favorite parts about Calamity is the story. I think that it’s really well developed

[crude geode]

@worldly olive getting changed next update

[worldly olive]

tyty

<3

[small timber]

I think renaming dragonfruit and blood orange is already planned, but ya, they havent got to it yet I think

[crude geode]

🔜

[hot zephyr]

@fresh stone planned :)

[fresh stone]

sick

i’m doing a play through and i had both in my magic storage and when i saw that i was like

[cobalt pewter]

elderberry falls into that sugg as well

and yes, they'll be changed

[hollow idol]

We are just indecisive on what their new names should be

[frosty trellis]

Throwaway name suggestions bc why not

Blood Orange > Bloody Orange (Or Bloody Orange Fruit. Hard one there, but this is the hardest to rename without making it sound dumb)
Elderberry > Berry of the Divine (Since it needs divine geodes, makes sense in my head)
Dragonfruit > Jungle Dragonfruit (I mean, it's post Yharon, so it makes sense)

Sky blue flowers (once of the components) are also found in the jungle, and requires Yharon soul fragments, from the Jungle Dragon

Which is my reasoning there

[soft quest]

Wait which of the 3617 elderberry sprites made it

I remember that being a trend where there were like 50 sprite submissions in the art server for elderberry

[hollow idol]

(none of the art server ones made it

[drowsy plank]

that's

hilarious

[frosty trellis]

Lol

[hot zephyr]

the new name for blood orange is amazing

[solemn dust]

@quick vale a lot of summons are easy to obtain early game, like the finch staff or the slime staff (if you craft it) or the wulfrum controller

[hollow idol]

yeah and next update, finch and slime become trivially craftable

[quick vale]

Earlier

[solemn dust]

how early?

[sand ermine]

pre-character

[solemn dust]

pre birth

[sand ermine]

pre-steam launch

[solemn dust]

pre universe

Oh @quick vale i forgot to mention the stormjaw staff

hands down the best pre boss summon for CC

[hot zephyr]

more starter bag summons?

slime staff is made of wood and gel

[solemn dust]

like what?

oh yeah

[hot zephyr]

that's what they're asking for

[solemn dust]

that would be a pretty good idea

[hot zephyr]

slime staff was made easier to craft in the next update

[small timber]

there is no need for 10 different summoner items that you can get as soon as you started the game

those 'super early' summoner items are supposed to help you transition from nothing to proper pre-HM summons, not last you for the entire pre-HM

[hot zephyr]

there you go

thank you YuH for pushing my list of recipe changes 🥺

altix, YuH and I cleaned up most of the quirky vanilla recipes

so slime staff should fill the gap if you really want a superearly summon beyond what's already there

additionally, wulfrum controller is much stronger in the next patch just due to actually being able to hit things

you've also got sun spirit, stormjaw, belladonna if you're adventurous

[solemn dust]

why not the finch staff out of the starter bag?

[hot zephyr]

leather whip and snapthorn

it doesn't need to be in the treasure bag

[small timber]

oh right speaking of leather whip, what if leather whip can be crafted from leather

[hot zephyr]

no

[small timber]

since imo when you get leather whip (enough bestiary %) you should be strong enough to get snapthorn

[hot zephyr]

it just needs to stop being stupidly expensive imho

[small timber]

oh right, ya

[solemn dust]

Cut the price to like

5 gold

or 7 gold 50 silver

[hot zephyr]

i want to buff leather whip to be a snapthorn alternative tbh

since you make a good point, it has a pretty big requirement of 10% bestiary requirement

it also could just, get the requirement to be changed

[small timber]

53 entries (according to wiki), and since cal mobs dont count it is abit substantial
(while not like, super accurate, wandofsparking's recent joke video do give a good idea of how much you need to explore for 10% bestiary)

[solemn dust]

to what?

[hot zephyr]

idk

[solemn dust]

prolly should be sold at all times

but keep original price

[hot zephyr]

the zoologist spawns at 10% completion to begin with

[small timber]

I think zoologist always sell leather whip no? just have to get her to spawn, ya

[hot zephyr]

the shrimplest solution is just to make it not suck where it's at

what would make me hesitant on having a leather whip recipe is that it basically removes any point to buy from the zoologist (even if there really wasn't that much to begin with)

[drowsy plank]

convinence? leather is still kinda annoying to get, kinda like vanilla potions

i think it's good to have multiple ways to obtain things, like abaddon

im not really sure what you'd do with leather anyway

make it the slow strong one i guess? dont really have one of those in preHM

snapthorn is fast and spinal tap is just average at everything + range

[eternal escarp]

meme sugg.,.,

@devout bobcat you cant suggest things "just because" or "it would be funny"

[devout bobcat]

It would be awesome though

[short walrus]

would it?

[eternal escarp]

still not a valid reason

and yeah, it wouldnt

[golden tulip]

what can it do that the normal lawnmower cant

[hot zephyr]

[spare solar]

@gritty kayak you need to use this font for ur idea to be seen

[gritty kayak]

how?

[spare solar]

the idea wont be sent

unless you use it

[gritty kayak]

yes but how to use it

[frail mantle]

it will

[gritty kayak]

im a discord noob

[frail mantle]

you don't need to bold the title

[gritty kayak]

there i got it
im a bit dumb

honestly its barely a suggestion buit im trying the weapon out on a summoner playthru and my ears are ringing

[swift wharf]

yeah the formatting is fine

if you don't get the 🗜️ then there's no problems

[small timber]

celestial shell is already one of the strongest accessory in the game

unless they want to increase the overall power of end game accessory I doubt they should add an upgrade

[swift wharf]

and making HotE a stat stick again is kinda

summoners

btw what the fuck.

[vague wadi]

I think there's something missing from the shell, other than the general damage, something more unique.

[swift wharf]

shell has immunity to nightwither and holy flames

[golden tulip]

lmfao

[distant gyro]

providence crutch

[frail mantle]

@silk lake no

[unique vector]

what is with the insane amt of ppl lately not writing properly formatted suggs

sobbging

[fossil finch]

nooooo leave pearl shard crafts as they are

[swift wharf]

I mean it makes sense

but there are too many recipes

[small timber]

the weapon is whatever, but if the same logic apply to lore item then there need to be a different base material

since all of them are crafted from victory (now pearl shard)

[drowsy plank]

lore item crafts r weird

why not just make lore items and trophies transmutable

no shards required

but for the rest, they're progression locks and there isnt really much more of a thematically appropriate material to lock them behind

the only thing i could think of is some kind of supplementary "victory" material, maybe you could make it out of gold bars, pearl shards, and/or stars, since most of the recipes use those items

[cobalt pewter]

@shrewd osprey might wanna hold off on suggesting that in particular until the update dropped (unless me dumb and it's already out), as basing suggs on changelogs is a don't

for enchanted axe, yeah I don't see the point of victory shard

(or pearl shard)

(gotta get used to that)

[hot zephyr]

get real

[swift wharf]

also the only ocean themed item that the shards are a recipe of are sea remains

[drowsy plank]

@sly edge or just... add it to sunken sea fishing? there's literally zero precedent for adding blocks to a shop like this, and it sounds more like some sort of calval thing

you can already fish up blocks in the sulph sea

[sly edge]

Hadn't thought of that! Yes, it would also be a good way to obtain these blocks without excavating the sunken sea, though the shop would be simpler and more efficient.

It would also just be 2 blocks so it wouldn't clog up the shop...

(I can't construct sentences)

[swift wharf]

tbf amidias shop is just weapons, potions and boss summons

expanding it with ocean/ssea stuff would be nice

[sly edge]

Exactly. (I also like Helluva Boss)

[swift wharf]

[small timber]

most of the purchasable blocks are for renewability and less for efficiency, so I do feel making it fishing drop (say, sunken sea crate) will be for fitting

[eternal escarp]

good emote

[sly edge]

Well both these ideas have their pros and cons but I myself stand with the "Shop way". Though, it would be more consistent pairing it with how the Sulphuric Sea blocks are obtained. Also this decision is going to be left completely to the Calamity Staff (If this idea is significant enough for them to add it in).

[sly edge]

Agreed

[eternal escarp]

personally id keep the sugg open

and mention both as ideas rather then the sugg revolving around only 1 idea

sinply asking for a "renewable source" will go much better

[hot zephyr]

^

100%

[sly edge]

^
^
100%

[fossil finch]

Amidias probably won't

Have a shop

For too long

So

,

[sly edge]

Wdym by that?

[fossil finch]

It's a general thing that they want to change npcs to go away from shops

[sly edge]

Ah, got it.

[eternal escarp]

byea id recommend editing the sugg to be less specific and broader about the way a renewable source will be made

as it grants better chances for the sugg to get in

[drowsy plank]

when they cryo gen has a boss drop table, an ore, AND a shop for weapons

[sly edge]

So should I just delete my post and make another more unspecific one?

[eternal escarp]

you can edit the message

dont have to start anew

[sly edge]

True

Imma do that now

Done did it

Should I expand on the idea more or is that good enough?

[hot zephyr]

break off the sea prism suggestion into its own thing

they're completely separate ideas

[sly edge]

They are both so small (and truthfully insignificant) additions to Calamity that they best be added in a single update.

hence only 1 msg

[swift wharf]

the latter sounds like a bug

[eternal escarp]

it just helps to seperate ideas to vote on seperately

and ye the latter mostly sounds like a bug than a feature

[hollow idol]

[sly edge]

Oh wait, that's so true

[sly edge]

Ain't no way

[eternal escarp]

wait lol you can get those pre DS?

[swift wharf]

LMAO

[eternal escarp]

prime trolling material

[sly edge]

I'll just delete the first suggestion

[sly edge]

XD

[small timber]

oh crate did give eutrophic sand? I thought it was only navystone

[swift wharf]

suggestion-discussion is once again oblivious of existing features

also (navystone)

[sly edge]

In my defense I didn't even think of the sunken sea crate when I first announced my issue. But the Prism bug still stands

[swift wharf]

yeah it's alr

[sly edge]

Well I hope it get's fixed. I'll go continue my True Melee playthrough now, goodbye!

[swift wharf]

@light verge Wrong formatting and "why not" isn't good reasoning

[drowsy plank]

what the fuck does this even mean

change what

[fossil finch]

we do we keep getting exclaims or wrong format

[sly edge]

Means you arranged your sentence wrong and "why not" isn't good reasoning 💀

[fossil finch]

he was asking what the suggestion meant

🤨

Yall need a little reading comprehension

[sly edge]

Wait I've been twisted into a pretzel here. so what who how when why how what?

[fossil finch]

.

[sly edge]

"." is a right answer

wait

I might be mentally R-worded

@swift wharf was talking about @light verge 's post and I though that he was speaking to @drowsy plank .

I now understand...

...that I'm stupid.

[swift wharf]

[sly edge]

:TinyBlitzo: (edit) really?? (edit) I can't use this?! (edit(edit)) :muchsadverydepressed: ⁽ᵉᵈᶦᵗᵉᵈ⁾

[small timber]

@light verge this channel is supposed to be used for discussion

The channel you commented on are only used for suggestion posting

[light verge]

I see. So I posted it. But I just explained what I meant to say in full form.

[drowsy plank]

this is still a nothing suggestion "change something", yeah, change what? what purpose is there to changing something in the drunk seed? if the devs had something in mind they'd just do it but there's nothing even worth changing that specifically affect calamity. FTW got changes because it's effectively a difficulty, because it changes Boss AI. the drunk seed is just a seed. it'd be like asking for them to add a bunch of PBG themed things to Not The Bees seed. there's no real point, and it would probably be on the bottom of the priority list

[small timber]

Ya, just change the one in posting to only content what you think is important, basically just keep it conscise

[sly edge]

I stand with @drowsy plank here

[small timber]

The siggestion need to be:

Title
(Shift + enter)
Body/reasoning of the suggestion

[light verge]

ok, i delete it then. + I was writing it from phone.

[small timber]

But ya, tldr there really isnt much calamity should change for drunk world

[sly edge]

If you had a suggestion on a specific thing then it would have been a valid message. the function of your message is the content not the formatting

[small timber]

Drunk world is pretty much just a unique world gen, the max I can see is calamity making it compatible but there is nothing more calamity should do

[sly edge]

Also, world*

[light verge]

That makes sense.

[small timber]

(phone typing is really difficult)

[sly edge]

Ah, okay

[light verge]

Next time gonna write something more useful than this.

[small timber]

At.least.it.used.to.me.like.this.but.i.got.better.at.it
(Why is . right beside space bar)

[sly edge]

Well to have avoided this whole thing-a-ma-jig you should've made your original post: A. more context-full B. In the right Channel

[light verge]

thanks.

[sly edge]

Yes "context-full" is a word. source: trust me bro...

Also callback to the fact that someone made a suggestion to add the amp sound to "The Bee" shield! Man I love Borderlands.

[safe oasis]

@sly edge your suggestion reads more like a bug report than a suggestion, i think it fits more there

[drowsy plank]

yeah that's true lmao

[sly edge]

My original was a suggestion that was already added to the game and that is why i put it there

the other bug report was paired with my suggestion

[drowsy plank]

that just means u were double wrong with where u should put it lmao

[sly edge]

double?

[drowsy plank]

1. it was something already in the game
2. the rest of the sugg was a bug report and shouldnt have been in the sugg in the first place

[sly edge]

should've*

[drowsy plank]

present tense because it's still there and should be moved

[sly edge]

Ah, thanks.

[sly edge]

Wait, it's not double wrong by where I should've put it. I only put it in the wrong place by the time I took my original suggestion out of the message, **then **it was in the wrong place.

[drowsy plank]

this convo is pointless

[sly edge]

You think I didn't realize that.

[golden tulip]

😐

[sly edge]

Nutella is typing was funny af to me

[golden tulip]

[sly edge]

[frosty trellis]

@small timber While it does make the fight seem more stagnet, you can dodge the laser walls while moving since you gain infinite flight during that phase. I just try and stay low before hand, RoD from one of them, fly up from another (or sus jellybean/portal gun since fall speed) (Can also fly from both if you're low enough at the start, or fall from both. It works if you can get the timing right)

Wouldn't say it's forced since it's clearly doable without as long as you are aware they are coming and have decent reflexes

[vapid crane]

do you think the "favorite to stop x" items should be changed to just work while in the inventory

[drifting wing]

not really

building a wof bridge with the doll would just be easier to unfavorite it rather than throwing away/money trough

[vapid crane]

the critter guide and encumbering stone do their listed effect while in the inventory and to make the other items consistent I think it's more practical to change those than to change the vanilla ones

[drowsy plank]

change the vanilla ones

[vapid crane]

there's a lot of ways to get those items out of the inventory anyways
you could use a money trough, chester, void bag, place a piggy bank, or just tp back and put it in a chest

[drowsy plank]

that's dumb, change the vanilla ones

[drifting wing]

to me, it just gives more flexibility and options

[burnt condor]

I’d agree the lazer grid does clash with the flow of the rest of the DoG fight as it is, I think the bullethecks are much more manageable in slower fights (thinking calamitas/scal/ceaseless void) so yeah I’d vote for that

[fossil finch]

also void bag won't be an option next update

favoriting is better i think

[drifting wing]

a personal taste of mine, after moving and all of that i like the fact you have to stop and do tiny movements

however id be lying if i didnt sometimes try and speed through

[fossil finch]

like encumbering is annoying to have for example
You wanna loot it but if you're not finished looting you are either gonna have to leave it there or put it in your trash slot which you may be using a lot

[vapid crane]

chester

[burnt condor]

and uh yeah I think favoriting > just in inventory but the items that are favorited to work work best favorited vs the items that just need to be in the inventory work well there

[bold spoke]

just posted a new suggestion
#suggestions-posting message

[burnt condor]

does that make sense? idk I like how it is

[fossil finch]

chester is the same inv as a money through and you may not have it by then
Also i use that inv to store things not to disable an item that should be toggeable by itself

[fossil finch]

you don't have to do that

anyways it's invalid

it breaks the specific item rule

[bold spoke]

just thought i would, and oh didnt know that one

[neat linden]

that's a specific item sugg yeah

[bold spoke]

zamn

didnt think to check the pins

[neat linden]

not allowed
And judging by some suggs i've seen in the past i am very happy they are not allowed

[drifting wing]

do you remember any bad item suggs

i wanna know the dogshit

[bold spoke]

thought i had a nice idea, lol eh oh well

should i delete the post?

[fossil finch]

just search old suggs

let me give you a

[neat linden]

you can try

in: suggestions-voting before: 2019-06-01

in discord search

it's not the ones i've seen

these were deleted

but back in 2019 it seems suggestions voting was also posting channel

[fossil finch]

if you search the same but with helz roller you will literally get to the exactly last sis sugg ever posted while they were allowed

[swift wharf]

mine

[vapid crane]

about the favorite items

in my opinion using the favorites feature which otherwise has no effect on anything makes the items feel a bit clunky

the way I see it is that the same reasoning for why the difficulty changer items were removed can be applied here

[drowsy plank]

i feel like making them only trigger in the inventory with no easy way to toggle makes them feel unpolished

[fossil finch]

those had a whole ui to be moved to

so like its

extremely different in practice

[burnt condor]

I think it’s cumbersome to get used to at first but once you read the tooltip and understand how it works it being toggleable in inventory is so much handier yeah

you seem to really believe in the idea though so if you wanna toss it in suggestion posting go for it! I wouldn’t vote for it myself but maybe someone else would

[drifting wing]

all pf the old suggestions are either
projectile that shoots more projectiles
or slow projectile but then gains speed

[eternal escarp]

yeah, either that or it gets exclaimed which is practically the same

[distant gyro]

there exists an old legendary item suggestion well known for its formatting

[fossil finch]

Please tell me it's not thomas'

[fossil mural]

New gun idea!!! It shoots bullets which exponentially split every frame

This has no cap

They split until your PC crashes

[distant gyro]

no it's

<><><>

[drifting wing]

and they home!!!!

[fossil mural]

And pierce infinitely

[fossil finch]

Tell me altix

I deserve

To know

[fossil mural]

Crafted using uh 2 luminite and a handgun with 3995 musket balls

[drifting wing]

altix gimme the lore

[neat linden]

ngl seeing the suggestions that were actually added ages ago and still exist in-game to this day feels pretty weird

[distant gyro]

it's lost to time

but it's the sdomg

[fossil finch]

oh my god

It's

It's been reposted

[fossil mural]

5000 damage

[distant gyro]

it's not the original

[fossil mural]

Beautiful

[distant gyro]

the original is significantly longer

[neat linden]

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

[drifting wing]

wow i feel like a part of the community now with that tid bit

[drowsy plank]

what was the gist of the sdomg

i gotta know

[distant gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/607919238279331882/709079642199425034/Untitled.png

[fossil mural]

I think i need to bleach my brain after trying to comprehend that

[neat linden]

What on earth

[drifting wing]

dude they added plasma grenades

[neat linden]

This is a good example of a reason why specific suggs were banned

[fossil mural]

Also why would sdfmg need an upgrade lol

That recipe is also post dog

So you'd just craft sdfmg and then immediately into sdomg?

[drifting wing]

thats the grenades recipe, dont know the sdomg recipe

[fossil mural]

Fair

But even then let's pretend the weapon recipe was post yharon

A gun doesn't need an upgrade 1 boss later lol

[drifting wing]

yeah it does

[neat linden]

Current fetid emesis:

Also, current AMR

[fossil finch]

Can we talk about how it takes nothing to make

[drowsy plank]

oh no the recipe was just cut off i think

that's the recipe for the secondary ammo

that only it uses

and the secondary fire has downsides

[distant gyro]

suggestion is too long

[neat linden]

oh i love when a weapon uses a unique ammo that no other weapon ever uses and is essentially useless

Ice Barrage

[drowsy plank]

imagine using 1 cosmolite and 1 divine geode just to cripple yourself per shot

[distant gyro]

all the space was taken up by even more <><><><>

[drowsy plank]

the <> were what the weapon looked like while firing

he just wanted to make sure everyone knew

[fossil mural]

<>---<>---<>---<>----🔫

[hollow shell]

First thing I see when I click into chat, thank you

[distant gyro]

[fossil finch]

Rover having flashbacks

[gray nebula]

rouge

holy fuck

[inner anvil]

Meld Armor be like:

How hard is to code a 5th pillar? I imagine the same results as Tremor.

[fossil finch]

CRYING

It's not very hard to code i think it's jusy

[neat linden]

what happened with tremor's insanely well made pillar exactly

[fossil finch]

The lunar event doesn't need to be longer and

There's no place to put it

[neat linden]

i heard it was hdflr

[fossil finch]

It sucked

[neat linden]

but i don't know the specifics

[fossil finch]

It was a new pilar with more aaaaaaaaaa enemies that was placed in the middle of the world in the sky so it was fucking impossible fighting the enemies on a sensical place unless you had built a skybridge

Anyways i hope this never happens

[hot zephyr]

[orchid briar]

I don't see what the multiplayer part is supposed to refer to, the meld blobs still work perfectly fine in multiplayer playthroughs

[fossil finch]

I will tie it to the seemingly common mp problem that apparently no one is playing with people that aren't asses so everyone kills pillars before they get the chance to farm meld

[drowsy plank]

summon a pillar...

how would the effect the frag tranmutation recipies? there's just so many issues with this

[drifting wing]

please no 5th pillar

[tacit ember]

It was more just giving rogue its own pillar as all the other classes have one and it just seems out of place to me that it doesnt

Thats just my opinion tbh

[fossil mural]

5th pillar more like 5th snoozer suggestion today

[tacit ember]

idk else what to suggest haha

But Ill probably just make a separate mod for it

And let it converge with calamity

[hollow shell]

So uh yeah Meld

[golden tulip]

that rogue thing doesnt even make sense thematically

why is it red

and why is it a fireball thing

[hollow shell]

It's spam rogue

[golden tulip]

ah yes

[burnt condor]

I think 5th pillar is cool actually but yeah would probably cause more problems than is already solved and is too large of a undertaking to pass suggestions

[tacit ember]

Ask u/TerraFabius

[golden tulip]

no

ur the one who included the image

[tacit ember]

Comet, solar, stardust, nebula

Adds to the theme

Lol

[golden tulip]

not really

[tacit ember]

Ok buddy

[golden tulip]

[tacit ember]

[golden tulip]

nothing about rogue is red

does this break NO rules??

[tacit ember]

God forbid i suggest something

I should be banned from the community

[golden tulip]

no thats not what im saying

[inner anvil]

Probably the "Too much effort" one.

[golden tulip]

jeez

[tacit ember]

i have been cancelled

For daring to suggest a ROGUE pillar?!?!?!?!

oh no

[golden tulip]

alright man good luck with your suggestion

[tacit ember]

ok

[inner anvil]

Cancelled? No idea what you're saying, we're saying what's wrong with the suggestion, not you champion.

[tacit ember]

ok

Its fine I just thought every class should have a pillar

I thought it would have been cool

I guess i am sadly mistaken

[golden tulip]

theoretically

[unique vector]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[golden tulip]

it could be

maybe

but it isnt

oh wow the suggestions are not

[tacit ember]

and it would help let the class really sit as if it was meant to be apart of the original game

[golden tulip]

ok

recently

[tacit ember]

As modding in my opinion is a function meant to serve as that

but hey god bless democracy nonetheless

And like I said, I can just make it a real mod and people can try it. If they dont want to that is fine too

[golden tulip]

yep

[tacit ember]

It would be a recipe reshuffle and just add a new boss

How do you guys think (in a perfect world) a rogue pillar should work??

I could use your feedback to make the mod

[edgy sundial]

it wouldn't

[drifting wing]

i like it trying to be more included into the game but its just the pillars are not fun in of themself

[thorny sapphire]

ah yes, the best part of every terraria playthrough, the lunar pillars

@still badge Magic Conch can be bought from Amidias....

[tacit ember]

Well I mean its not pillars I want to add but I want to make the Rogue more fun, and the pillar was meant to be apart of that

[still badge]

ah i am a bozo never realised it

[tacit ember]

And maybe it wont, but I still think it is worth a shot

[thorny sapphire]

lmao no problem

[drifting wing]

i found the sorta different path rogue took was refreshing

[thorny sapphire]

he's one of the easily forgettable npcs i dont blame you

[thorny sapphire]

How does a pillar make rogue more fun though?

Rogue is already fun as is

[tacit ember]

More content for rogue players idk lol

Just an idea lol

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell aint rogue pillar suggs a no

[thorny sapphire]

Trust me, rogue players have plenty of content

[hollow shell]

Wait what it can?

[still badge]

i just buy the trident cuz projectile funny and thats it

[thorny sapphire]

Yeah

[grim tusk]

#suggestions-posting message

[thorny sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

Melee players when their weapon gets stolen by the rogue class for the 4843th time

[hollow shell]

Are you sure you're not getting it confused with the easily-confusable
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Magical_Conch

[thorny sapphire]

um

uh

[edgy sundial]

even if they're not, this is, by the image, a suggestion for a pillar, unique enemies to that pillar, a unique fragment, and a different fragment armor that isn't meld. I think that falls into too much effort regardless

[thorny sapphire]

I may be stupid

[drifting wing]

ohhhhhhhhhhh shit

[hollow shell]

I would definitely not say this is Too Much Effort

[thorny sapphire]

lol nvm i got it mixed up

[vapid crane]

dang those names should be changed

[sleek turret]

where is the pillar by itself?

[tacit ember]

Thats why i suggested the rogue pillar to make the recipes different and separate from melee crafting

[hollow shell]

Meld will get something more interesting and unique in the semi-near future

[thorny sapphire]

The recipes are already different, rogue has their meld constructs to make Empyrean armor

[hollow shell]

It will have a dedicated obtainment method, rather than just dropping from pillar enemies

And this obtainment method will hopefully be way cooler than any pillar

[thorny sapphire]

it drops from cryogen confirmed

[grim tusk]

So 🚫 and 🔒 ? (And ❗)

[ashen warren]

what does the ! mean on a suggestion?

[orchid cairn]

wow you have to pickpocket the lunar enemies like skyrim thats a cool idea

[hollow shell]

Definitely never going to happen as it conflicts with our plans so yeah big ❗

[grim tusk]

Sugg is invalid,

[hollow shell]

You should not make suggestions that are just adding a reference to the game
There needs to be a reason why the addition would benefit the mod

[dapper tendon]

Is daybreak a rouge weapon now?

[thorny sapphire]

can we talk about the game breaking, life ruining, world destroying mounted scanner bug though

this is very important

[sleek turret]

the ❗ means that your sugg either conflicts with the don'ts document or it has some other problem

[tacit ember]

Dont melee weapons crafted from solar fragments make rogue weapons?

[thorny sapphire]

not yet

[dapper tendon]

God

My chest is safe

[ashen warren]

aww darn well it was worth a try

[still badge]

melee players when the burning sky is somehow a melee when it clearly it should be mage or smthng but decide to not say anything because it makes the exo mechs and supreme calamitas easier to beat cuz of that sweet sweet whole screen range

it literally doesnt have a swing animation

[orchid cairn]

turn all the throwable melee weapons into rogue weapons but like unironically

[thorny sapphire]

it used to be like star wrath but with fire

but then they removed the swing animation for some reason

so now its just sky fracture but with fire

[still badge]

yeah now it funky

[tacit ember]

Time 2 make a mod lol

Thanks for all the feedback though everyone

[hollow shell]

You are totally free to make your own rogue pillar mod if you wish to

[still badge]

but make true melee weapons 3x bigger and faster

[fossil bronze]

mfw badly executed joke

[still badge]

true melee sword covering the whole screen when

[thorny sapphire]

Did You Mean: Murasama

[tacit ember]

I know and that is absolutely what I am going to do

I just wanted to know everyones opinion that is all

[still badge]

i want more screen to be weapon

[tacit ember]

See how far i could get here with the idea

[still badge]

murasama is indeed a step to the right direction tho

god bless that brazilian samurai

[fossil bronze]

if it covers the whole screen wouldn't it basically be not true melee lol

[thorny sapphire]

ok but mounted scanner right now is still responsible for 4 deaths and is currently at large

[tacit ember]

Totally not unbalanced AF if you name your character a specific name

[fossil bronze]

projectile weapon with extra steps

[tacit ember]

[still badge]

not if its swingable

[orchid cairn]

the zenith is a true melee weapon if you think about it i mean youre literally just swinging swords

[tacit ember]

@thorny sapphire i second you suggesting fixing the mounted scanner bugs

So annoying tbh

[thorny sapphire]

@orchid cairn Yharon doesn't telefrag

The only way it can be considered a 'telefrag' is if you're flying upwards way too fast

It's not really a telefrag, its a check to make sure you're paying attention

[thorny sapphire]

Phase 1 is more or less just Duke Fishron and like Fishron, you can predict exactly when he teleports by counting his dashes

[fossil bronze]

i don't think you're allowed to put bug fixes as a suggestion?

[orchid cairn]

it teleports directly to my location and then i take damage

that is a telefrag

i dont care if its avoidable

[thorny sapphire]

mate

if its avoidable

its not a telefrag

[orchid cairn]

its avoidable by not letting the situation happen

[thorny sapphire]

sure and yharon could also just sit still on the ground and wait for death

[fossil bronze]

yeah it's in the don'ts doc

[thorny sapphire]

read the suggestion

[thorny sapphire]

all i can really say is skill issue

you're gonna have the bosses try to kill you and you have to avoid their attacks

[orchid cairn]

you must be fun at parties

[fossil bronze]

oh

[orchid cairn]

ive beaten the game on revengeance and im playing death mod rn, i dont want the game to be easy lmfao

i want it to be fair

[inner anvil]

Is it too much to ask for video proof? So we can see exactly what you mean and come to a conclusion easier?

[thorny sapphire]

i have beaten the game 3 times on death and once on malice

i thought the exact same thing as you

[inner anvil]

Look, it doesn't matter who has beaten X thing more times.

[thorny sapphire]

i'm not experience dick flexing here

im trying to say its simply learning the fight

[inner anvil]

I just want to see a video of what the guy means so we can come to an agreement.

[thorny sapphire]

you have to keep track of yharon's dashes to know when he's going to teleport

you can't just nerf every attack you don't like out of the game otherwise i'd have duke fishron sent to brazil

[drowsy plank]

duke has a pretty clear graph of where he's dashing

yharon might not

[orchid cairn]

if him directly teleporting ontop of your hitbox is the intended attack then maybe it should have an indicator of where hes about to teleport to lol

[thorny sapphire]

yeah and so does yharon

[thorny sapphire]

he doesn't though

[orchid cairn]

im not talking about the dashes

[thorny sapphire]

you're just spamming flight too hard

he teleports above you

after his dashes

you keep track of the dashes so you know when he teleports

like fishron

[inner anvil]

Alright, literally nothing is coming out of this, this is pointless.

[drowsy plank]

just get the vid of it happening ig lmao

[inner anvil]

^