suggestions-discussion

[orchid cairn]

i know

thats why im saying let it drop from moon lord

but if you want to get it early, you can still do the nohit

[inner anvil]

Well, it'll be complicated since the majority of the dev server voted to remove the no-hit part.

[orchid cairn]

f

[crude geode]

isn't this akin to adding in a removed feature

[swift wharf]

yeah

and it'd probably make ppl use it less

[hollow shell]

It seems weird to me when people make a suggestion using overpowered/underpowered stats as part of the reason
(when the suggestion isn't just about directly buffing or nerfing it)

[vapid crane]

is there anything I could add here

[hollow shell]

Stats are never constant, they shift from update to update as we continue to balance
Terraprisma is busted now but it won't stay busted for long

Uhh that suggestion seems fine

[swift wharf]

and making it drop from two bosses is also a bit weird

[hot zephyr]

additionally, daytime eol isn't a nohit

[hollow shell]

It is basically a nohit...

[hot zephyr]

it isn't

[hollow shell]

Ok elaborate

[hot zephyr]

because Calamity removes the one-shot aspect of EoL...? or am I forgetting something

[grave zinc]

@proud plinth - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[add recipe for zapinators]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[zenith hazel]

we decided that it's a better idea to have lazhar use a space gun in its recipe instead of zapinator

[proud plinth]

k

[zenith hazel]

that way you don't have to rely on rng to craft it

[proud plinth]

yea that honestly works out alot better

[crude geode]

has the 🔒 emoji been forgotten about

[proud plinth]

another familiar vanilla item that already has a crafting recipe and fits in better thematically with the weapon its used to craft

[hollow shell]

Ok you could have lead with that.
"additionally, daytime eol isn't a nohit in calamity"

[hot zephyr]

yeah probably

[hollow shell]

Funnily enough we only have that reaction during the voting process, but the Zapinator suggestion already got approved

[swift wharf]

(malice EoL has the same AI as day EoL btw)

[hollow shell]

We can change an approval into a rejection but not into a 🔒

We could ask Nycro to make that possible tho

[hot zephyr]

what's malice

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

@dapper violet i assume that is already the plan and also misformatted lmao
u need to seperate the title and the reason

[terse sundial]

We're not changing Cosmic shiv anymore than we have too since it's a donator item

Ele shiv may get the super stab eventually

[dapper violet]

Maybe at least decrease the use time of the Cos Shiv a little

Or is that too much ^^;

[hot zephyr]

^

[proud quest]

honestly i feel like the abandoned labs are a little lackluster since you only really need to find them when you want to fight the exos

[dapper violet]

The new shortsword mechanics in 1.4 is the only thing that changes it from previous versions

[proud quest]

maybe a little more reason to look for the abandoned labs might be nice

[hot zephyr]

shpc

they also generally provide very good loot, especially if you're in the very earlygame

[crude geode]

planters

[hot zephyr]

with more biome content coming in the near future I feel like that base is pretty much covered

[crude geode]

i meant the labs have em

[proud quest]

well given that terraria is designed to be played basically at whatever pace you want

it doesnt really stick

[small timber]

Space is amazing, ice biome lab is great, sunken sea is lackluster (but biome rework coming), hell have muramasa (and hellstone bar?) so admittedly it do have something, jungle I dont even remember what it give

[hot zephyr]

the planetoid lab is fucking broken btw for earlygame

not everything needs 18233812838213 reasons to visit

hell, having entirely optional areas is a GOOD thing

[crude geode]

woah imagine

[proud quest]

it just feels bad to go through every laboratory and everything when it expects you to have everything by the time you want to fight exos

like you missed out on stuff

but i never really had a reason to grind that hard because im on revengeance mode

[hot zephyr]

your incentive for visiting labs are the arsenal schematics

[proud quest]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

arsenal weapons are fucking insane (except for the bad ones)

[small timber]

The biome lab are placed with the player doing exploration in mind, like space one is litrrally just above the spawn point

[swift wharf]

this sounds like a qol mod issue

[proud quest]

I hate having to charge it though anything with limited stuff where you gotta reload i just skip over

[hot zephyr]

your loss

[proud quest]

because its easy enough with the weapons provided from boss drops or basic recipes

[swift wharf]

and now that sounds like a you issue

[small timber]

There is a lot of incentive for player to explore biome lab already

I think the problem will more be the player do not know there is an incentive

[proud quest]

did i say it wasnt

[small timber]

Or even know biome lab's existence

[swift wharf]

I noticed a lot of ppl only doing labs during endgame because of qol mods cutting exploration in half

[proud quest]

exploration dont really hit hard in terraria tbh

the grinding keeps me on for hours tho

[small timber]

If you use boss drops after boss drops on bosses there is nothing the mod can do to stop you/inventivize you to explore

[swift wharf]

exploration IS the main thing in terraria

[small timber]

Because they cant just nerf boss drops to forced exploration, even then people will just beat the bosses with underpowered weapon and complain bosses need nerf

[crude geode]

there's other channels if you're just here to complain

[burnt condor]

I enjoy exploration! I don't really care for the grind but the two often go hand in hand (unless you play journey 😏 )

[proud quest]

deadass stop talking

[crude geode]

🤨

[proud quest]

anyways the grind of getting materials to build is more fun than exploring because on your 7th playthrough you already know everything about the biomes

but its out of the devs controls or mine

since you can only add so much biomes

[crude geode]

the name of the channel is #suggestions-discussion . it's for. discussing suggestions.

[proud quest]

whenever i do suggest things you wont shut the fuck up

[small timber]

That will be an exception case I think, because if the mod is designed for 1st playthrough then it definitely will not fit for someone doing their 7th

[proud quest]

true that

[small timber]

Usually the incentive to explore is to get new weapon/gear because you feel underpowered and in need to search new gear, but when you are optimized or skilled it dont happen

[proud quest]

imagine in the future ai gets so advanced that it can ai generate completely new experiences so exploring is more fun

[crude geode]

It might be because I'm discussing the suggestion you're making?

Like this whole channel is to discuss criticisms for suggestions and ways they can be improved

[proud quest]

can you criticize in a way that is helpful and that doesnt make me feel like a dumbass

?

[proud quest]

I think im just thinking about a different type of game to be honest

[small timber]

With how currently the mod design its biomes around i do feel doing something like that will be difficult

Usually roguelite games are much more controlled,but terraria is full open world

(but ya, if back to the suggestion/biome lab) I do feel there need to be some way/something that notify the player that biome lab exist

Because currently if you are a new player there is a chance you miss all of them until HM where you have wings to fly up, and on top of that they might not know they have to grab the factories

[proud quest]

i honestly think im thinking about elden ring type stuff

[proud quest]

i honestly feel like if terraria would do more stuff like cutscenes instead of the help button that the guide has

[burnt condor]

does the guide have dialogue for draedon's labs?

[proud quest]

like cutscenes as in showing the stuff that appeared or something

[small timber]

I think it is just more of the theme of the game that it will not fit, similar to voice actong

[proud quest]

its just an issue you cant really solve

to be honest

[small timber]

I dont think terraria mod generally use cutscene, except maybe the story focus one, even the vanilla end credit is not a cutscene

[proud quest]

if cutscenes were added for structures it would completely take away the exploration part of it

bro i need some elden ring in my life thats what im looking for

at this point

[small timber]

I just think maybe make the factories and charging station say have shining parts or fancy lighting, that way you know it is important, if we are going by intuitive design

[proud quest]

maybe

[small timber]

For the biome lab inform, maybe just put a messgae after DS defeat to inform about sunken sea lab, since with the hint you will proceed to find the next

It is just very important to not miss the first one

[burnt condor]

I don't think it's an issue that can't be solved as much as an issue that you have to find a balance between conveying necessary information to achieve the intended experience and give the player the reigns and ability to explore and miss things and that's very hard!

[proud quest]

or like adding more subtitles like after you find the sky lab it gives you hints as to where the next one is, then the next and more

[proud quest]

shit wait

we on the same page i think

[small timber]

Ya, since vanilla design never really "force" the player do to something

[proud quest]

this

like you try to solve one issue and it just creates another

[small timber]

Even for calamity, draedon may be the forced fight but the player can just, ignore its existence and only fight scal; new player might not even know it exist without boss checklist

[swift wharf]

does it not do that already?

[proud quest]

i kinda wish i didnt depend on the wiki so much for cal

[proud quest]

only with the schematics though right

[swift wharf]

yeah I think

[small timber]

You need to decrypt for that

I will make the 'make factories and charging station more obviously important' suggestion later

[proud quest]

maybe instead of subtitles the draedon labs emit a small sound that can catch peoples attention

[proven folio]

which items?

[crude geode]

terraprisma

also the expert mode items and rev ones

[small timber]

Lock the sound to turret maybe, or a "signal emitting device"

[proven folio]

day EoL?

[crude geode]

yep

[proven folio]

🤔

[proud quest]

something like that

[small timber]

Both of which you can destrpy (and have incentive to destroy)

[proud quest]

like a faint 'wewewewewew' sound like sci fi type stuff

something interesting to draw new players

[burnt condor]

if you're close enough for a sound to play you're probably close enough to see the labs right?

[proud quest]

i mean like maybe 100-300 blocks away you start to hear it

[small timber]

The sound can have way larger radius

[proud quest]

sure

[small timber]

Ya, the purpose is to move the player to the correct direction

[proud quest]

what would make this even better

is if they only made the noise in order

[small timber]

Especially kike jungle, ice, you have to dig into solid blocks; it can be difficulty to just find them

[proud quest]

like the schematics that have to get decrypted in order, maybe the sound only comes from the labs youre supposed to discover in order

[burnt condor]

idk sound-based exploration sounds... odd

[proud quest]

well it kinda limits you from having to look at the wiki the whole time

[small timber]

I think it probably should disregard the order, since the devs do intend or approved a suggestion on schematics to hint their previous one if you havent found it

[burnt condor]

I'm not saying I don't want a non-wiki solution I'm saying in terraria sound is used to alert you to on-screen threats and points of interest and idk if my headphones are bad but I hear a noise and I'm not like "ah it's this direction" y'know?

[small timber]

I mean a lot of game does it, it is pretty common

Usually is the closer you get to the location the more rapidly recurring the sound gets

[proud quest]

but isnt the standard for headphones surround sound now?

[small timber]

So you can even identify distance, not just direction

[proud quest]

do i post the sound suggestion?

on posting

[small timber]

You can, or later I will post it if you didnt, it sounds like an idea that can work

[burnt condor]

it's like if that myth about ambient cave noises in minecraft meaning there's a big cave ahead was true I. don't think it's as seamless a solution as you guys seem to orz

[small timber]

(the general caving system of terraria is lacking compare to minecraft tbh)

Since minecraft is a game with 90% effort put on exploration

[proud quest]

true

i feel like you barely find any large cave systems

feel like that would be cool

[burnt condor]

I found a good few in my last playthrough I feel

worldgen rng 😔

[small timber]

@gentle chasm can you elaborate on why they are OP? Moray eel i can see since it is an abyss enemy that can generate in ocean, but I dont see box jellyfish

[gentle chasm]

moray eel can 2-shot early players

so can the box jellyfish i think

[small timber]

Then I think you can include in the suggestion that they can only generate in the abyss I feel

Since if the player didnt know, the suggestion looks like "remove them" since they are "removed spawn in ocean"

[gentle chasm]

edited it

[proud quest]

did it

[burnt condor]

idk for discovering draedon's labs easier you could have the guide mention "planetoids in the sky with EPIC loot!!" and then have the already implemented lab seekers pointed to you more directly (and maybe easier to use?), then in dreadon's first lab you find a lab seeker base and then his log says "ohoho I will continue to build EPIC things in the NEXT lab at [place]!!!" and you follow that trail

[gentle chasm]

edited it again, i wasn't thinking while typing it lol

[small timber]

I think ideally it should be less dependent on the guide since, well, he get ignored a lot

[proud quest]

I feel like a very small minority of people playing terraria click the help button

[small timber]

Especially after recipe browser is installed

[proud quest]

exactly i feel like ive only clicked his things once

[burnt condor]

I. used the guide a good bit when I first played

I now use the wiki which is what this conversation is trying to avoid

[small timber]

And people might not expect the guide to give hint on modded stuff, they might think it is a "modded guide" that do it instead

[small timber]

Imo I think the ideal solution will be just not reliant on guide and wiki, ideally intuitive that the player will naturally do it

I think the sound one do make sense, since draedon do have incentive to attract the player for the purpose of testing his mechs; as evidenced that even the sunken sea schematic mentioned that

[proud quest]

i feel like they should make the sounds only in order of how it wants you to discover it

sky lab first then sunken (i think) then so on

[burnt condor]

I know precedent isn't something largely considered for implementation but. is there any other sound cues used for exploration? like there's spider noises which let you know a spider caves around (though there's no indication of from where and that's more an enemy noise) and there's lava which you will see

[small timber]

I just think it might increase the chance that they miss the other lab if they completely missed the sunken sea one, but ya

[proud quest]

you got a point

[small timber]

In terraria I dont think so

The closest one I can remember is like, lava/underworld? Or I might misremembered

[hollow shell]

@dapper violet You're not formatting any of your suggestions correctly. They need to have a title at the top, with reasoning below, separated by a line break (Shift+Enter)

The bot cannot process your suggestions unless you format them correctly. That's what the 🗜️ reaction is indicating to you.

[small timber]

Or glowing mushroom, my brain automatically attach sound to them that I am unsure if they emit sound in the first place

[burnt condor]

I'll give you that glowing mushroom biomes have cues through ost changes! forgor about that

Idk I hear a weird noise while exploring I assume some random enemy is seconds away from exploding me with it's mind and 99% percent of the time that's true. sound effects are overwhelmingly alerts to sudden combat encounters

[drowsy plank]

dont labs. have turrets. which shoot you. and make noises

[hollow shell]

You need to be close enough
And by that point you already have the labs on your screen

[drowsy plank]

i think dragon's sugg of making guide talk about labs, or maybe even demolitionist since he's more associated with underground, would be a better way to direct players towards them

also that's fair

i was actually gonna suggest some stuff about making some structures calamity adds more obvious they exist
like you could add lab locators rarely in gold chests, or desert medallions rarely in desert chests, it might alert players to the existence of labs and things like DS and the sunken sea

but idk how flesh out of an idea it is tbh

[hollow shell]

That sounds like a good idea

[burnt condor]

ooo I do like that

[hollow shell]

Devs have pondered the idea of putting Desert Medallions in the UG desert chests already, but I've never heard of putting lab locators in chests.

[burnt condor]

I had the idea of adding blank lab locaters to wulfrum drops to maybe point a wholly blind playthrough in that direction but idk if that's lore-conflicting lol

[fossil mural]

I think if youd put lab locators in chests, you should put them in the 'mini labs' you can find

[drowsy plank]

honestly if it's gonna be how cal devs have suggested and they want large to be the default world type, then lab locators in gold chests would be a really important change cause i didn't see a single one until well into hardmode

[fossil mural]

itd make more sense for a mini lab to have a locator

compared to a random gold chest

[drowsy plank]

you have a point but the mini labs are arguably harder to find than normal labs

[hollow shell]

That would defeat the point
Locators are already crafted using lab materials

[fossil mural]

eh fair

[hollow shell]

"Seeking Mechanism"

[drowsy plank]

typically my progression goes; big ass planetoid -> all the other big labs -> "oh wtf where was this when i could've actually used the loot" (small lab)

[fossil mural]

i typically just get the planetoid lab then never bother with other labs unless theres a specific arsenal weapon i want

then i rush them all pre-exos

[drowsy plank]

lmao fair but i like the free diving gear from artic and the furniture from jungle

[fossil mural]

oh and i always check hell lab to make sure i dont destroy it with instabridge

[burnt condor]

saaaaame but I also loved that last exploration hurrah pre-exo mechs which is maybe less than intended

[proud quest]

small lab should generate a little higher and generally just generate more

[dapper violet]

Sorry about my pointless suggestions
Just giving QoL things to make Calamity be more part of 1.4

[swift wharf]

They're gonna make cal flails work like 1.4 ones iirc

(not all of them ofc)

[dapper violet]

I know :3
As things like Cosmic Discharge exist

[fossil mural]

1.4 style flails my beloved

[drowsy plank]

@dapper violet not only is that a 3 sugg violation, but that's a SIS violation

not to mention the devs already have plans for their own whips

please read the rules people

[stable musk]

❗

[dapper violet]

Sorry

[dapper violet]

Sorry
I'm an idiot

[drowsy plank]

you're not an idiot you just

didn't read the rules

which you should do

@tired tartan that's already implemented in the next update

[small timber]

ya

[tired tartan]

Thank you for letting me know. I believe I'm slow on the news on any future inplementations. May I know where can I read those future patch notes?

[small timber]

there is no 'future patch notes' iirc that is public, it is just this channel get notified if a suggestion is implemented

basically a similar suggestion is implemented therefore we know, and thats it

[drowsy plank]

uhhhh well fab hasn't been updating the changelogs so the best ur gonna get rn is searching for messages from @grave zinc in this channel

#suggestions-discussion message

if you want to delete your sugg it'll prolly get flagged anyway but it'll help save the mods time

mariocraze14's flail sugg is prolly gonna get flagged too since that's already planned lol

[tired tartan]

I'll go do that instead to help out decluttering

[drowsy plank]

thx

[tired tartan]

I wonder what else hasnt been suggested. Anyone has suggested anything related to Kites or Golf?

[drowsy plank]

nope

feels more like a calval thing but it's one of those "right on the edge" kind of scenarios

[burnt condor]

cheers cognitiveAfflatus I'll vote for that

[drowsy plank]

had that one in the drafts for a while

[dapper violet]

My bad :P

[drowsy plank]

dw about it

[dapper violet]

Didn't know those were planned

[drowsy plank]

that one isn't as obvious but i think it might be mentioned in the #calamity-update-talk FAQ document

[tired tartan]

How about removing Suspicious Eyes in Dungeon Chests altogether? Has that suggestion sailed yet?

[drowsy plank]

why lmao

oh wait dungeon chests?

i guess that's fair since ur post skele anyway

[tired tartan]

They're not consumable anymore, right?

[drowsy plank]

prolly just a weird generation quirk tbh

nope

but i get why they're in there still

to let newbies know about the boss existing

same reason i sugg'd desert medallions to be added

[tired tartan]

Wont they already exist as having a bad time at night kind of messages?

[fossil mural]

newbies shouldnt make calamity their first terraria experience (with regards to EoC existing) but i digress

[small timber]

@graceful patio already implemented

^

[graceful patio]

oh alrighty then

[drowsy plank]

oh my god that was literally just talked about in this channel im begging yall to read

[tired tartan]

Yeah, I just deleted that from my suggestions, hahaha

[drowsy plank]

if u can delete the sugg it'll make the mods lives easier since they wont have to flag it

[graceful patio]

wait did you suggest the same thing i did?

[small timber]

(yes)

[drowsy plank]

literally seconds ago

[tired tartan]

Yep yep

[graceful patio]

dang thats interesting timing

[tired tartan]

Will they ever add a "Grand Design" but for building houses? Or will that be a good suggestion?

[small timber]

sounds like too massive of a QoL and more akind to cheat sheet I think

probably should just use luiafk instead imo

[tired tartan]

Yeah, that did sound too excessive

[fossil mural]

sounds like instahouses from fargos or the super builder rod thing from luiafk

probably not fit for calamity

[tired tartan]

I wonder if Daedron plays golf

[fossil mural]

did yall know the golfer is a rich npc in lore

[drowsy plank]

tbf we're prolly getting some general build tools with the perennial reworks which included a type of scaffolding so that's like. kinda like ur idea!! that is if iban actually makes it but still!

[fossil mural]

make a wulfrum scaffolding upgrade

[drowsy plank]

what does being rich in terraria even entail

[fossil mural]

that turns it into permanent structures

[drowsy plank]

that was actually the idea lmao

literally word for word what was said

[fossil mural]

i know i was just making a comparison to the upcoming thing

with wulfrum

where thats temporary structures

[swift wharf]

I was about to mention ice rod until you said permanent tiles

[fossil mural]

wulfrum thing power creeps ice rod

[drowsy plank]

this

[swift wharf]

TRUE

well ice rod is kinda free

and more range

[drowsy plank]

ice rod buff incoming?!??!?

[swift wharf]

[tired tartan]

What gripes me currently is that the Alchemical Table ia only partial to Vanilla recipea, when it comea to crafting cost discount. Unclear about Blood Orb.

I kinda wish they would also become effective to Calamity Potions.

I kinda saw a post about potions progress. Am I thinking the same as the prior suggester?

[small timber]

I think calamity potions are already fixed to get discounted by alchemist table

blood orb I dont think so, but at the same time blood orb is more akin to "transmute" than "potion crafting", at least by the idea of it

alchemist table is more akin to "a chance to refund part of the material used" which is why it maybe not obvious, as you have to craft a lot of potions to see the difference

[tired tartan]

Hmm. Is Cadance's Potion a Calamity potion?

[small timber]

yes, basically all potions added by calamity

I am unsure about those that are "combination potions" (crafted from other potions only), but I do remember calamity potions that use normal material do work with alc table

[tired tartan]

Some Calamity potions by default requires to be crafted at the Alchemical Table itself. In addition to requiring Vanilla potions, it didn't seem to benefitted from the cost reduction. It's hard not to see it happen after crafting 100 pcs of Cadance Potion

[drowsy plank]

cadance is a combo potion

and the alch requirement is a progression lock

those are all intended and prolly not gonna change id say

[small timber]

ya, things like yharim stimulant are intended to be post-skeletron

[drowsy plank]

and potions with actual recipes like soaring, bounding, and photosynthesis already benefit from alch table

[small timber]

I will just test, iirc the only one that do not work is combination potions

but since you already get discounted/refund when crafting their ingredient potions I do think it make sense

[tired tartan]

Oh, didnt know there are two classifications for Calamity potions

[small timber]

all potions added by calamity do count as calamity potions iirc, just some potions are "combination potions" that basically have the combined effect of other potions, most notably cadance

ok I can still load in 1.4 tmod, I will test what works

[drowsy plank]

i forgot the new release is getting pushed soon huh

[tired tartan]

Many thanks for the extra mile

[small timber]

ok I am testing it and some of it do seem weird, I will type it in if needed so I dont misremembered them

the following works:
tesla potion; calcium potion; bounding potion; triumph potion

the following do not works:
soaring potion; photosynthesis potion; draconic elixir; crumbling potion; shattering potion; astral injection; gravity normalizer; shadow potion; titan scale potion; penumbra potion; ceaseless hunger potion; profaned rage; holy wrath, zen potion; zerg potion

combination potions:
cadance potion, omniscience potion, yharim's stimulant (all do not work but that is expected)

all blood orb recipe:
do not get refund/discounted

[tired tartan]

That is rather confusing.

I wonder how to streamline this, so that the Alchemy Table works 100% of the time, while posing enough progress for more advanced tiers of potion... (I can only think of either utilizing enemy-based or boss-based drops)

Like a change in their recipes altogether

[small timber]

(ok I havent get to blood orb and combo potion yet)

at least combo there are only like, 3 of them

also why does calcium potion cost a single blood orb for 4 while things like regen potion cost 10 blood orb each potion
meanwhile triump cost 30 per potion and its component is literally water bottle + victory shard

[tired tartan]

Prolly they may want to clean up that part

[inland saddle]

I did not but it should be fine even if someone blocks the bot

The bot does an extra check right before forwarding the message

So even if it doesn’t have the emote, it still won’t get forwarded

[inland saddle]

The check for your message is a hardcoded ID

[hot zephyr]

why not introduce new weapons

instead of recycling the same ones

[small timber]

astrum deus weapon includes astral bar weapons, and I think that is the point

[cosmic shell]

True, just something to throw out, really.

[small timber]

I dont think calamity currently is in dire need of new weapon tbh, especially astrum deus tier

since they are directly competing with pillar fragment weapons, which has a lot of weapon to begin with

imo astrum deus' own drop + astral bar weapons will suffice

while people might think "more is always = best", adding too many weapon will just create selection difficulty, and diverge people from trying out the newer/better reworked weapon

so ya, rework > addition, unless it is currently lacking (lack right after ML tier rogue weapon, which I just discovered only have 4 weapons)

[cosmic shell]

imma be honest it’s acid rain that really doesn’t have much… besides old Duke. that should have been my suggestion…..

[small timber]

acid rain can use some, addition? the weapons/gears they drop are actually really decent, just the event is like, not that impactful by itself

[cosmic shell]

yeah

[small timber]

it feels like just something you can do, but since devs decide it to definitely be optional it is hard to convince them

I do feel something can still be done though to make it have more impact

[cosmic shell]

true, after polterghast they point out that the acid rain is stronger via status message, and although it does have a few more enemies and is stronger, it would be cooler if it had just a little more… impact, like you said. Old Duke is sort of ignored, but he’s still a boss, and a unique one, at that.

an optional, but unique boss, with powerful weapons.

[devout sigil]

anyone here play summoner?

[cosmic shell]

hey how do you upvote a suggestion on the posting page?

I agree with the summoner one

[lavish raptor]

you dont upvote them on the suggestion page

you can only vote when they go to #suggestions-voting

[cosmic shell]

what’s the staple tho

[lavish raptor]

every suggestion from posting will go to voting if they dont have any issues

[cosmic shell]

oh ok

kudos on the summoner suggestion

[frail mantle]

#suggestions-posting is basically just a waiting room for suggestions so people can come in here and provide any feedback they have

after 24 hours the suggestions get sent to #suggestions-voting if they have no issues, at which point you can vote on them by adding a star reaction

[crude geode]

Speaking of feedback @lavish raptor your suggestion is pretty massive and unlikely to happen

[small timber]

oh right ya I didnt clearly read through it; adding some sentry armors/helmet might happen, but making it for the entire progression calamity have is simply not gonna happen

not only does it need to have sentry armors but also proper sentry weapons for an actual 'sentry summoner subclass' to function, currently especially post-ML you basically have 1 sentry (max) at each point of progression

[inner anvil]

I sometimes like to think that the people that post suggestions hate testers.

[lavish raptor]

yeah i kinda wrote it with little hope of it actually happening. but worth a shot i guess

[small timber]

if you reduce the scope it will still happen, as of currently you cant really just say "basically add an entire new class worth of content"

[eternal escarp]

no they just usually dont think that things would need to be balanced

i mean its a nice idea i guess

but

balance

[inner anvil]

Oppression.

[crude geode]

Balance is just a funny word to both oppress suggestors and murder tester morale

[lavish raptor]

so would it be a better idea if instead of having all summoner helmets also having a sentry helmet i just change it to only summoner exclusive armors have it (fathom swarmer, plaguebringer, silva)

wait no plague reaper isnt the summoner

[small timber]

just like, add more sentry based summoner armor at especially post-ML?

since for HM you do have OOA armors which basically is strong enough to function as the sentry armor you need (for sentry only to be 'playable'), just for post-ML they are too weak

[lavish raptor]

i suppose that could work

[small timber]

maybe pre-HM too, but sentries are mostly locked behind tier 1 OOA so I am not exactly sure how it will work out

[lavish raptor]

most sentries are obtainable before that

squirrel squire, polyp launcher and caustic croaker

[small timber]

but ya this rule do exist so try not to like, go too specific

[lavish raptor]

and then you go to the old one army sentries

[small timber]

I will say just keep it to post-ML since I imagine that is when sentry armor completely falled off and unusable

[lavish raptor]

alright

[lavish raptor]

so should the armor be like post DoG, and used for yharon and after or before that. since the armor from OOA is probably atleast usable against providence and DoG

[small timber]

because of this rule I think just make the suggestion be something like 'add sentry based summoner armor at post-ML'

let the devs decide which point of progression do they need to add a sentry armor

[lavish raptor]

👍

and final thing. should the armor be like the OOA armor where it also buffs another class with it or just stick with only sentry

or would that be creeping into that rule too much

[small timber]

this one I am not sure, since the original OOA armor is definitely intended to be a multiclass armor

where you put down sentry and then you use your main class weapon to deal damage

but since calamity added even summoner weapon nerf, they definitely want it to be summoner only, at least I feel

so ya, just dont specify it too much is probably ideal, since 'sentry armor in OOA style' and 'pure sentry armor' are still sentry armor

[proper girder]

me

[frail mantle]

i kinda feel like you should elaborate a bit more on the reasoning but i'm not too sure what else you can really say about this

although i feel like unfavoriting to kill the lacewings or whatever and then refavoriting isn't that much less work than moving the item to your trash can or something to kill the whatever and then taking it back out

[small timber]

the thing is you have infinitely higher possibility of deleting the guide companionship by puting it in trash than just unfavourite it, but ya I think it is mostly just since the feature is there anyway

[golden tulip]

youre gonna be able to put it in the void bag in 1.4.4 too if that helps

[fossil finch]

Wrong channel

[fast knoll]

woops

wait nvm im in the right channel i think

i just wanna say maybe a damage reduction on avalanche on the destroyer?

if someone is willing to check it out

[small timber]

abit late, the pinned have a list of testers who can test it, though I am pretty sure they know avalanche is overpowered on destroyer already

[tulip parcel]

“Add an accessory that uses the “ancient relics” accessories as materials now that they’ve been split from the heart of elements”

Has that been suggested before?

[drowsy plank]

i think so and i dont think the devs approved
not to mention that it just doesnt make any sense anymore considering how different the relics are. aero and chaos stones are pretty good standalone accessories anyway, you might get more milage out of asking for buffs to the others tbh

like who tf uses cryo or bloom stone

cryo out here being diet cold divinity but weaker

[tulip parcel]

I mean

The difference is that cryo stone doesn’t deal summon damage

Which means it works with other weapon classes

[drowsy plank]

and yet it still sucks ass

[tulip parcel]

I mean it’s early hard mode

[drowsy plank]

so is chaos stone, and aero stone is in pre-HM

[tulip parcel]

Technically every accessory sucks when weighed against later options

[drowsy plank]

cryo stone sucks on tier

[tulip parcel]

It’s passable

[neat linden]

Stress pills

[drowsy plank]

it's just an ice inferno potion as an accessory

[tulip parcel]

I still haven’t gotten them

[neat linden]

2.0 made them very powerful

20% faster adren

[drowsy plank]

regardless id sooner want cryo and bloom stone reworks than another dumb combo accessory that shoves 7 unrelated items together and tries to make something thematic out of it

it's weird cause Rose Stone is still considered one of the relics too

and like yeah they're related bc they're all relics but realistically they're all vastly different at this point

[fair stump]

ik but beetle is still in that same area

especially cause golem is so easy

[drowsy plank]

turtle wings

actually a pair of "wings" that take away your ability to fly but gives you that absolutely stupid haymaker giant tortises can do would actually be kind of cool

[wicked torrent]

Would that do damage?

[fair stump]

🤯

[covert nova]

"Make the "Guide to Critter Companionship only work when favorited

Make the "Guide To Critter Companionship" only work when favorited like the Lore items back in the days so you don't have to remove the "Guide To Critter Companionship" from your inventory in order to kill pigs and Prismatic Lacewing" what are y'all's opinions on that

[fair stump]

snazzy

[covert nova]

wat does dat mean

[wheat cloud]

snazzy

[small timber]

@zenith mural Can you elaborate what is the suggestion about?

[distant gyro]

I assume someone is trying to release a lacewing outside of the hallow

that causes it to go poof

[small timber]

Oh ya, seems like it

I thought it is either that or they report a bug as suggestion

[dapper violet]

Prismatic Lacewings are intended to be released in the Hallow
Anywhere else causes them to fade and despawn

[drowsy plank]

@stoic fossil wrong formatting and also... what?

[stoic fossil]

sorry my bad

[drowsy plank]

i think you're saying something about the conflict between hallowed and jungle?? but you did a horrible job explaining it

[stoic fossil]

just i thought it wqould bea good idea to amke the hallow not appear in the jungle

because pixies wont spawn

ehh nevermidn bad idea anyway

[tawdry barn]

GUYS

should i have the asgardian aegis buff on during bosses?

[drowsy plank]

it's just the fact that hallow gen is a vanilla thing

[tawdry barn]

better dmg but it slows me down a bit

[drowsy plank]

it's obnoxious to deal with

[stoic fossil]

i know

but i cant get pixies

[drowsy plank]

#help-advice-read-pins

[distant gyro]

it is the ideal scenario

[tawdry barn]

oh ok

sry

[distant gyro]

if your jungle gets striked by the evil instead then the jungle is lost

[stoic fossil]

eh your right

but we already have a plantera bulb

it got hit my the hallow

[drowsy plank]

honestly i agree that getting fairy dust can actually be kind of annoying when the hallow spawns in a hybrid biome

[distant gyro]

the v spawn in general is just not very good

[drowsy plank]

fuck the V spawn all my homies hate the V spawn

[distant gyro]

best you can do is just control it with seeds and water and stuff

[drowsy plank]

at least axe of purity exists i guess

[distant gyro]

(dryad sells hallowed seeds in hardmode even without the presence of hallow)

[fair stump]

only snazzy people know...

(its like cool)

[hollow shell]

@zenith mural Sounds like a bug to me, should go in #bugs-read-pins instead
(Make sure it happens with only Calamity enabled)

[hot zephyr]

holy shit is that Jamarious Quangle Dangle, arch rival of Quandale Dingle?

[lofty hedge]

Impossible.

[oblique geyser]

Jamarious Quangle Dangle, Quandale Dingle's goofy ahh friend who tried to eat his butt during Ramadan iirc

[ashen warren]

What

probably has the critter guide thing on lo

[hollow shell]

That would be funny

Though he does say that he can't even 'release' them

[hallow plover]

guys

how do i code a whip?

i have no idea

[hollow shell]

Wrong channel and probably wrong server

https://discord.gg/RMZCqq6

Use this instead

[hallow plover]

i got banned

for insulting a guy who was spamming

[hollow shell]

Well dang that's a shame you should probably find out how to appeal

This still ain't the channel for code questions

[hallow plover]

well

[subtle sapphire]

Lulz are the mods draconian or did you open a slur thesaurus and threw it at the guy ?

[hollow shell]

Hang on I just noticed

Regarding the sugg in #suggestions-posting
@gray nebula Are the DS and AS relics supposed to be depicting their future designs or their current designs?

[gray nebula]

idk i didnt sprite them gram did

i think their future

i just didnt feel that it would be necessary given how hard it is to make out the difference

they say the hive mind one also has it but hive mind lost its armor and shit

but ig for completions sake, sure

[hollow shell]

Oh ok well then,
@winged tundra

I would also say it's not necessary because they are so similar, both would fit into the same relic depiction

[gray nebula]

yea exactly

but i mean it would inform ppl a resprite is coming

bremmm

[hollow shell]

Brimmy may or may not need a new relic

[winged tundra]

DS and AS were intended to resemble the new designs

[hollow shell]

Hm

Ok

[visual topaz]

i think the rare elemental should get a buff on their healing to make it more reliable and consistent

[crude geode]

@hollow shell think this is too much into SIS territory?

[hollow shell]

I'm more so concerned by the lack of reasoning.

[crude geode]

fair

[hollow shell]

@hollow ingot You need to add more of a reason why to your suggestion. Why would this benefit the mod, and why specifically the mushroom theme?

[hollow ingot]

@hollow shell I accidentally pressed enter instead of shift+enter lmao, adding more info rn

[hollow shell]

Alright

[hot zephyr]

wait until the next update's release

give the new wulfrum armor a try, it fills in summoner's progression very nicely

[small timber]

@dawn adder the thing is I dont think there is a reason for more tools post-ML, for the simple reason that post-ML dont really have anything to mine/build compare to especially pre-HM and HM

you have lots of ore in pre-HM and HM to mine, but post-ML is pretty much only uelibloom (which = one of the tool, blossom pickaxe) and auric ore (the final tier of material)

I think what post-ML need is just a "super tool" that is basically much faster compare to the rest of the game, but not very much tools for all progression

[dawn adder]

Maybe but that's not quite the solution. What I want is more tools, not less. Hope this helps.

[small timber]

the thing is just currently there is really nothing that you can use these tools on, but ya

the suggestion itself is fine, just imo that is one of the main reason there is no more tools (yet)

[hollow shell]

Ah.
@hollow ingot You're not supposed to make suggestions of that variety, where you specify exactly what you want all the stats to be. You're supposed to suggest general concepts, and leave it up to the devs to balance the exact stats.
The only details and specificity in the suggestion should be an integral part of the reason.

(and yeah maybe hold onto this idea for a few days, as Wulfrum is becoming a dedicated summoner armor next update)

[crude geode]

@hot zephyr I summon thee for dark spark testing

[hot zephyr]

👁️

[crude geode]

@quartz fog In the future don’t put suggestions related to balance. Instead check the pins for a list of testers you can ping to check out certain weapons.

[hollow ingot]

@hollow shell oh. I was reading the doc and I was looking at that rule and I thought just some base stats were fine and the devs could just go off of that, because the example was really in depth compared to the one I put there. (deleted off the suggestion now.)
thanks for the feedback!

[small timber]

I am pretty sure dark spark's damage is fine against DoG but weak against polter, for the reason that it is a last prism weapon

[drowsy plank]

feel like this isn't the best argument considering the whole movement towards less boss focused content anyway, i agree with breadirl that some more tools would be nice

[small timber]

the problem is more with its vanilla "feature" of turning off after 1 minute

[small timber]

I do consider mining and stuff as non-boss content, but ya

[drowsy plank]

no i mean that more tools would be good for more non-boss content

[small timber]

imo I just think it is less about "we need more tools", but more about "we need good tools" for post-ML

[drowsy plank]

fair

[small timber]

(since the suggestion specifically mention "give tools for all progression tier of post-ML)

[short walrus]

Remove Meld Constructs and use Meld Blobs as the main crafting material.

Reduces (very slightly) item bloat within the mod as meld constructs are redundant (used only to craft meld contructs).
Creates parity with other lunar fragment items as they only use one base material.

how does this sound?

[small timber]

probably just post it and let the devs/mods judge

[short walrus]

aye

[small timber]

(since only they know what was the intention behind meld construct being used for rogue stuff instead of just meld blobs directly)

[short walrus]

probably to do with the resprite from villager meld

[hollow shell]

villager meld

Meld Constructs used to be Meld Bars, which is worth noting

[short walrus]

true

but they have no reason to exist anymore

[small timber]

@hollow shell ^

[hollow shell]

(I assume it was scam spam)

[cobalt pewter]

yeah I don't see how Meld Constructs matter much as a material anymore unless Meld Blobs are changed into a pre-Cultist material that's meant to introduce the concept of meld a couple tiers before the actual Meld equipment

as it is right now Meld Construct just adds an unnecessary crafting step into Meld gear

[short walrus]

huzzah, support!

[eternal escarp]

repurpose meld constuct to a building block instead like the fragment blocks iirc

[short walrus]

true, that

should i edit the sugg to include that or is it fine as is?

dont answer that im doing it

[eternal escarp]

[short walrus]

fuck

shit

thanks for the save

[eternal escarp]

np

[ashen warren]

hmm True Tyrant's Ultisword becoming like Crucible (Doom Eternal) after Exhumed Enchantment?

But then again PhaseSlayer already took that look

[frail mantle]

exhuming is reserved for more lore related items (outside of the shattered community)

the ultisword isn't actually Yharim's sword, and in fact will in the future be renamed and rethemed to not imply a direct relation to Yharim

also suggestions for the sake of references are disallowed

[ashen warren]

I see

[ruby plover]

latest sugg is just re-adding old content ig... altho, why was the beam changed to be how it is now?

also, formatting

[neat linden]

formatting + a lack of suggestion reasoning

is it really that hard to look literally nanometers above and see how to properly format a sugg

[distant gyro]

the beam was changed due to really bad collision issues

sometimes with the old beam you could try your hardest to break certain blocks that the ray is clearly passing over and it will refuse to break

and even worse, it occasionally gets interrupted by thin air

[ruby plover]

gotcha

well in that case i can't see that sugg being accepted in dev anyway

[distant gyro]

maybe after crystyl crusher's fourth rework

[hot zephyr]

or fifth

perhaps

[tiny minnow]

So it acts like the Martian Drill

[gray nebula]

the martian drilll only breaks blocks at its tip

lmao

[hollow shell]

Yeah...
Really weird and frustrating

[gray nebula]

makes it a lot more useful for building

[short walrus]

@frail iron formatting (different lines for title and reasoning) and a complete lack of reasoning

[fair stump]

also gel darts exist

[short walrus]

true

[frail iron]

oops

they weren't appearing on my recipe browser

[eternal escarp]

gel darts arent crafted by purified gel

they are sold by bandit post SG

despite their appearance

[short walrus]

yeah turns out that

[eternal escarp]

tbh sugg to move them to a purified gel recipe would be based imo..,

[fair stump]

no ik but they're gel themed and post slime god so

[short walrus]

agreed

[eternal escarp]

well thats not what they sugg for

cant throw that out there when its not super related to the actual sugg tbf

[fair stump]

🤷‍♂️

[eternal escarp]

either way you still need to do what scorn said above, orangeboy

[swift wharf]

weren't they made with purified gel

[hollow shell]

They used to be, either that or a direct SG drop (or both?)

But they were moved to Bandit to increase her ware pool

[short walrus]

surely thats not as much of a problem now

[hollow shell]

Bandit's ware count has not changed much at all since she was implemented

[golden tulip]

bandit kinda sucks

[hollow shell]

You

[short walrus]

21 wares, one less wont exactly hurt

[golden tulip]

just kidding.

[short walrus]

especially when cyborg exists

[hollow shell]

There wouldn't really be a point to moving it back

[eternal escarp]

truffle more so

[short walrus]

true, true

[crude geode]

Truffle at least has autohammer

[hollow shell]

Truffle at least is important to unlocking one item set

yeah

Cyborg is just like 3 weapons

[eternal escarp]

okay new bad npc then

pirate

[hollow shell]

Mmmmmm Pirate

[crude geode]

Everyone’s favorite

[eternal escarp]

pirate should really just sell random stolen goods from various NPCs randomly at half price or just random mishmashes
traveling merchant but, good

why does he only sell like 4 blocks and a half functional cannon tile

[short walrus]

canons kinda are good

[swift wharf]

terraria npcs

[short walrus]

sorta not really

[swift wharf]

[crude geode]

Vanilla NPCs be kinda quirky

[eternal escarp]

mini nukes are already planned to be moved i think?

also ranger has

much more ammo types

than just rockets bullets and arrows

[fresh stone]

i just think its weird that ammo stops progressing after cosmilite tier

[short walrus]

pirate should sell some music boxes

[eternal escarp]

well

[short walrus]

especially the sea themed ones

[fresh stone]

like maybe add auric ammo or something

[short walrus]

sea shanties and all

[eternal escarp]

why is there a need for more ammo?

[fresh stone]

more variety?

[eternal escarp]

there isnt always ammo at every tier

[fresh stone]

holy fire for providence, bloodstone for polterghast/DoG, and cosmilite for yharon. it just stops after that though

[eternal escarp]

(most of the ammo is bundled at pre boss, post wof and post plant)

[swift wharf]

there are only two bosses after DoG

so like

[eternal escarp]

also includes non ranger ammo ignore those

[swift wharf]

(I am counting emechs and scal together because they are from the same tier)

[eternal escarp]

saying variety, i guess?
but its not a weird thing at all that the ammo mostly stops right before the end

as theres many progression points where there arent new unique ammo types

[fresh stone]

not really

there is pretty much a new ammo option after every major boss

or multiple

[eternal escarp]

i have litterally just posted this list

theres atleast like, 5 major bosses without ammo types after them

of the used-throughout ranger kind (arrows bullets rockets darts)

though i guess darts are a stretch

[fresh stone]

dart progression doesnt go anywhere to begin withh lol

[eternal escarp]

and gel is used from pre boss to endgame but thats a different thing

[fresh stone]

well gel is a very specific ammo

[eternal escarp]

mostly because there are no dart weapons so thats why they are a stretch

used to be post LC

but it was removed!

so vanilla's

[crude geode]

Dart weapons are a myth

[fresh stone]

rifle/pistol to my knowledge

[eternal escarp]

mhm

anyhow

theres a few major bosses with no arrow / bullet / rocket unlocks

[fresh stone]

but the stop in ammo progression is just before the climax of the game

[fossil mural]

That actually reminds me, does calamity add any dart types and dart weapons like blowgun and dart rifle

[frozen hornet]

,

[fresh stone]

it seems very abrupt

[eternal escarp]

skeletron, sg, evil2, cclone, cultist

[eternal escarp]

dart types? never

dart weapons, ive stated above yeah

[fossil mural]

The forgotten ranger subclass

[fresh stone]

theres no point in adding darts bc theyre so incidental

[fossil mural]

😔

[eternal escarp]

because there is currently no need to add another ammo when the current ones are kindof just

still on tier technically?

[crude geode]

Why add more ammo when the system we have is already bad

[eternal escarp]

ammo isnt like weapons, its not like things become unusable a tier before

[fresh stone]

well ive always thought it was kinda weird that no weapons inflict the dragonfire debuff

maybe ammo post yharon could do that

[crude geode]

Bluuuuuugh

More accessible debuffs

[fossil mural]

Dragons breath should inflict dragonfire

[fresh stone]

yharon soul frags are kind of a ggateway to that

[fossil mural]

I mean it's in the name

[frozen hornet]

GSS inflicts GS flames?

[fossil mural]

DRAGONS BREATH

[fresh stone]

yeah

[fossil mural]

DRAGONFIRE

[eternal escarp]

because its

[fossil mural]

Dragons breathe fire

[eternal escarp]

yharons signature debuff i think

[fresh stone]

and so many yharon weapons have to do with fire bc its freaking yharon

[eternal escarp]

not all debuffs need to be usable iirc

[frozen hornet]

make dragon's breath a flamthrower

iirc...

[eternal escarp]

true

[fresh stone]

god slayer inferno and holy fire are usable and they are signature debuffs

[eternal escarp]

theres plenty profaned enemies

god slayer is correct, though

but i dont see how this still related to ammo

if thats your issue

you could say the normal weapon sshould inflict the debuff

adding another ammo type that is just

frostburn arrow x9 is kinda

why

[fresh stone]

well this issue is not limited to ammo but i think that if more weapons were given the ability to inflict this debuff then ammo should be added to compensate

[crude geode]

Reminder that “more flask” was rejected

[fresh stone]

these two issues kinda merged in my mind

[eternal escarp]

well first of all youd need said weapons to actually inflict the debuff according to that message

as it is an "if" in yoru statement

secondly i dont think an ammo needs to be added to compensate

not all debuffs have ammo variants im quite certain

(and thank god there arent)

[crude geode]

They really should not

[fresh stone]

can i change amy suggestion?

[eternal escarp]

you indeed can edit it

[fresh stone]

ok

[frozen hornet]

okay apparently it doesn't

At least from the wiki's description

[eternal escarp]

yeah because god slayerslugs are

cool!

[frozen hornet]

srue

[eternal escarp]

dont need to be another debuff stick iirc

[crude geode]

Can’t wait for damage to be removed from ammo types tbh tbh

[eternal escarp]

i dont think that will happen

and when it will i can see flash rounds being very very good for a lot of the game likely maybe

[crude geode]

It isn’t but I am allowed to dream of vanilla fixing it’s stupidity

[eternal escarp]

it does sound like an interesting idea byea

[fresh stone]

there i changed it

[swift wharf]

it is kinda funny how you get luminite - profaned - bloodstone - godslayer bullets back to back

[eternal escarp]

that sugg is fine, yeah

luminite and profaned are on the same tier byea

[fresh stone]

on fire is just a really basic debuff that is inflicted by so many weapons that it would make yharons weapons more distinct if they had their own debuff

[swift wharf]

btw the latest suggestion sounds like a bug maybe

[eternal escarp]

id personally argue the weapons themselves make a distinction byeah

[frozen hornet]

it would make them more distinct if they made it more distinct instead of changing the debuff lm

[eternal escarp]

either way its a fine sugg

[frozen hornet]

also also the last bullet that directly inflicts a debuff is holy fire

[fresh stone]

god slayer slugs?

[frozen hornet]

bloodfire and GSS don't

[fresh stone]

really?

[frozen hornet]

neither does luminite

[eternal escarp]

unique ammo my beloved

[crude geode]

^

[frozen hornet]

,

[eternal escarp]

holy fire is more so just explosion and the debuff is kinda

secondary

[frozen hornet]

bloodfire has the regen funny

[fresh stone]

regen is kinda bloodstone's thing tho

[swift wharf]

bloodfire p90

[frozen hornet]

bloodfire+regenator

[eternal escarp]

acid rounds are likely the last debuff ammo and even those have a little gimmick

the last real solely debuff ammo is

[crude geode]

I hope that one day flasks are deleted

[eternal escarp]

venom

[swift wharf]

acid rounds kind of need a rename

since venom became acid venom

[eternal escarp]

true

[fresh stone]

acid rounds should be plage rounds or something

[frozen hornet]

virulent bullets

[swift wharf]

toxic bullets

[fresh stone]

there are a lot of good names

[frozen hornet]

Or simply axe them since hyperius exist...,

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[fresh stone]

yeah

[eternal escarp]

they used to grant minion slots before

and that was deemed stupid for balance reasons

[arctic viper]

im not really that experienced in game balancing what i was trying to get at is that 6% extra damage is kind of bland

[eternal escarp]

basically they are small bonuses because they would impact balancing too much if they werent

[drowsy plank]

i think proficiency should die
someone here suggested before that you could just turn it into the item reach bonuses that used to be provided by lore items

[fossil finch]

Remove proficiency!!!!

Big win

[hot zephyr]

proficiency has a higher chance of just getting scrapped outright than becoming MORE impactful

currently it exists to give a small little bonus. like the mint under your pillow at a hotel

if proficiency became more impactful it'd create a situation where swapping off of your "main" class for any reason would be severely punished

[eternal escarp]

Undertale OST: 055 - Can You Really Call This A Hotel I Didn't Receive A Mint On My Pillow

[hot zephyr]

EXACTLY

[eternal escarp]

proficiency in a nutshell

[gray nebula]

r r

remove proficien

Profiency stat bonuses could get entirely deleted and it just made to be the fireworks and no one would notice

[hot zephyr]

my ranged movement speed :(

[eternal escarp]

nooo my 5% at level 15!!!!

[hard bronze]

What if dragon rage did something cooler when you activate rage

Like it makes you swing it like 10x faster and the fireballs do a lot more damage or something

and trails come out once u activate rage when using dragon rage

like gaels greatsword

[gray nebula]

why doe

is it just

[hard bronze]

maybe its not op but this is just a random idea i had

[gray nebula]

the name

[hard bronze]

yeah the name would fit the weapons use more

[drowsy plank]

that do be

one of the ideas ever

[hard bronze]

and maybe it could do a roar when u activate rage too

im gonna post it

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[hard bronze]

is it a good idea

[eternal escarp]

it has no real reasoning other than

name

so idk

[hard bronze]

itd also spice up the weapon

[eternal escarp]

does it need spice?

(no)

[hot zephyr]

is that not just "it'd be cooler" but extra steps

[eternal escarp]

it is

[hard bronze]

yes

[eternal escarp]

which is

a Don't

[hard bronze]

ok

[fossil mural]

Now if there was a weapon fundamentally created to interact with rage, maybe using like heart of darkness in it's recipe, it'd be nifty, but slapping that behavior into a random weapon with rage in it's name isn't it and regardless still would be a nono suggestion

[small timber]

probably not the best idea I feel for weapon to interact with rage

for the simple reason that rage is only rev+, it might sound ridiculous but it will make the item feel "worse" for people playing on normal or expert, who can also get the item

[hard bronze]

oh dam u right i forgot about that detail

[small timber]

gael's greatsword and draedon's heart is the only exception I feel, gaels' is malice only, so basically draedon's heart is the only exception

(and in draedon's heart case, it have previous association of being directly the heart of darkness/stress pills/laudanum, basically rev drop combination accessory)

wait no, draedon's heart even give you a bar even below rev I think, so it is not even an exception

[eternal escarp]

draedon's heart is with adren not rage

iirc

[small timber]

but ya, just both are rev+ ripper effect

[eternal escarp]

ye

the only weapon is indeed gaels and only accessories are hear of darkness / osc and shattered com

[hard bronze]

Ok fair enough there were a lot of stuff i didnt consider

Ill take down the sugg

[golden tulip]

that would be op

i think

the drawback of the weapon is that there are limited fallen stars

[small timber]

@hallow zodiac Star cannon is supposed to be powerful because its ammo is hard to come by, so if they want to make star this accessible they have to nerf star cannon to basically minishark level

There is also the problem where stars are not only used for star cannon, but for notably mage stuffs in also large quantity

And astrum aureus (and deus?) Do provide reliable way to farm stars

[swift wharf]

yeah it would kill its only drawback

[small timber]

Ya, this will be the equivalent of like "if the player have the coin gun, make gun dealer sells 'unlimited platinum coin ammo' "

But for preHM

[swift wharf]

i forgot coin gun existed wtf

[golden tulip]

yea

farm astral enemies

create stars from stardust

profit

[swift wharf]

[inner anvil]

@small timber Already planned.

[small timber]

Ah ok, just heard someone mentioned it but I forgot it might be from dev/mods

[hallow zodiac]

forgot that the astrum bosses dropped fallen stars

[swift wharf]

damn that quickly got approved

[karmic light]

thoughts on post-providence bug net to catch new critters for fishing?

[swift wharf]

specific item suggestion

[inner anvil]

Why do we need it?

[karmic light]

We don't necessarily need it, I made it as a suggestion for something new to add. Considering the fact the best bug net we have is still a Vanilla bug net, I figured we could expand on to our selection a bit by adding a post-providence net to use.

Similar to the reason we have post-ML fishing rods, we don't necessarily need them but it's nice to have them.

[eternal escarp]

calval adds profaned critter(s?), download that if you want it

also theres like

golden net

[karmic light]

thanks for not reading what I just said C=

[eternal escarp]

i mean it in a way that

what more do you want from a bug net

[karmic light]

The idea is an upgrade to golden bn

[inner anvil]

Well, it breaks like 2 rules anyways, so it ain't passing to voting.

[eternal escarp]

what can you add to golden bug net in an upgrade when it already can catch all critters

byea

[inner anvil]

And if you want to catch Fire Bugs, there's already a specif bug net for that.

[eternal escarp]

golden also works

[inner anvil]

Oh does it? Then it's settled.

[karmic light]

Oh wow, neither of you read what I said.

[inner anvil]

I think I can read, my friend.

[karmic light]

Profaned Critters which can only be caught by a post-providence bug net.

[inner anvil]

And why do we need to add Profaned Critters?

You need to give reasoning.

Don't just say "Add this" and that's it.

[golden tulip]

itd be cool 😎

[inner anvil]

Yeah, yeah, it'd be so cool.

[eternal escarp]

yeah you cant just validate making a new bug net by asking for something that it will be used for

[karmic light]

No, the suggestion needs a purpose. Like how we got more fishing rods, or the pig.

[inner anvil]

Pig because it's a donor thing.

[eternal escarp]

the pig was dono

yeah

[karmic light]

alright then

[inner anvil]

More fishing rods because someday the devs felt like it.

But bugs and bug nets? Eh.

[swift wharf]

and fishing is useful for post ml

[eternal escarp]

and tbf fishing rods do have space to be expanded

[karmic light]

Alright, so why is the best bug net a vanilla bug net?

[eternal escarp]

because

its not a bad thing

[inner anvil]

Is that a problem to start with?

We don't hate Vanilla lmao.

[eternal escarp]

why is the easiest platform vanilla wood

[swift wharf]

this might

oops that was a bit too much

there

[eternal escarp]

wtf eclipse

beya

[karmic light]

I'd say there would be considering Calamity is supposed to be all about its post-ml content.

[inner anvil]

No.

[swift wharf]

nnnnot really

[inner anvil]

That's why there's also Pre-Hm and HM content.

[swift wharf]

postml has the least content actually

[eternal escarp]

doesnt mean there needs to be content for every single piece of item
and those things too

[karmic light]

there's no pre-hm or hm bug nets that are from calamity either.

[swift wharf]

DREADED boss rush part of the game

[swift wharf]

because it's not needed

what

[inner anvil]

We don't need bug nets.

[eternal escarp]

because theres no wacky locked critters because theres no use for wacky locked critters

because theres fishing bait

[inner anvil]

You want a Zenith Bug Net? Is that it?

[eternal escarp]

why would more critters be locked just because

[inner anvil]

Well, Vanilla kinda' does that.

With the fire bugs.

[eternal escarp]

vanilla has it for 1 reason

lava fishing

its practically the same as if you crafted a fishing rod of hellstone that can fish in lava

[inner anvil]

So yeah, we don't need to add more content just because "We're Calamity, everything has to be about Calamity".

[swift wharf]

and critters are pretty much covered cuz biome update soon™️

[inner anvil]

And also that.

[hollow shell]

I am not against the idea of PostML critters

especially as we go into exploration updates for that stage later on

[inner anvil]

Ye.

[hollow shell]

But uh yeah reasoning needs to be included in this suggestion

And there's no need to ask for them to have randomized bait power or give any percentages or whatever

[eternal escarp]

im mostly just confused on the need for a bug net and locking critters for no apparent reason specifically personally

[drowsy plank]

the critter update
adds a bunch of new critters in the new craig biomes and profaned critters that can be caught with profaned net and have higher fishing power than Master Bait

[small timber]

'add auric seed
I feel blow gun are really underated and under explored as a ranger weapon option, I feel adding auric dart to make blow gun end game viable because it will be cool and more ranger option; this will go really well with my auric blow gun idea so you have post-ML blow gun too'

(but ya, cant really just create something with the entire purpose/reason it exist to be just created from the same suggestion)

[drowsy plank]

so true!!!

[swift wharf]

ok but dart guns are COOL

[small timber]

one day

[swift wharf]

[fossil mural]

Dart ranger subclass expansion when

[drowsy plank]

never

[frosty trellis]

When summoner and rouge are balanced

Aka: Never

[wheat estuary]

hmm i see that good thing then :')

[swift wharf]

isn't making it a day drop kind of a don't

well that doesn't matter it's being nerfed anyway

[drowsy plank]

this is content reversion and a balancing sugg which are both don'ts in the rules lmao

[golden tulip]

is it content reversion?

[crude geode]

@hollow shell Is asking for terraprisma to go back to being a EoL daytime drop reversion (I’m pretty sure it is but I’d like a mod approval of this)

[inner anvil]

If you are good with tester aproval, I will say yes.

[hollow shell]

@wheat estuary There was a Terraprisma suggestion just yesterday. You should hold off on more suggestions about it for a little bit to prevent star competition

I'm putting off the core problem

[eternal escarp]

that pictured sugg is kinda just reversion with an extra step

[golden tulip]

there are 2 situations in which an item gets a lot of suggs

1. when it is clearly broken
2. when gitgud makes a video

[fossil mural]

Gitguds videos are somethin

[crude geode]

Smh my head

[golden tulip]

@devout orchid ?

character speed buff?

config suggs are usually a nono

also wrong formatting, read the pinned document

[fossil mural]

They're also literally adding a config for the movement speed buffs

[golden tulip]

they are?

[fossil mural]

Merk said so somewhere ye

[golden tulip]

ah

[inner anvil]

Yes, we are.

[golden tulip]

well thats fixed then

[devout orchid]

Then looks like my suggestion is going through good thing I suggested it!

[golden tulip]

[devout orchid]

It's a joke

[golden tulip]

i know

@remote sandal uh same reasons as above

[remote sandal]

what reasons?

[golden tulip]

no reason, wrong formatting

[remote sandal]

ok, I'll delete it and repost

[golden tulip]

you can just edit it

alr too late

this is better

[remote sandal]

ok cool but what about the suggestion itself

[golden tulip]

i see nothing wrong with it myself

[karmic light]

@remote sandal We already have a way to toggle demonshade armor demon

Just gotta open a DoG bag in a death world with a hardcore character.

[raw crystal]

how do you embolden talk

[frail mantle]

**text**

[gleaming spade]

you put ** on each side of what you want bold

yeah like that

[raw crystal]

thanks

[swift wharf]

\ lets you do the *funny*

[frail mantle]

that too

[hollow shell]

Better answer is
Demonshade armor is going to get reworked soon and will absolutely not keep the vanilla Red Devil as a minion

[raw crystal]

best part of demonshade armor? I get horns when I'm wearing my chunky hunky diving suit

10/10 armor crafting

[crude geode]

This feels like a really weird answer to the cultist problem

[raw crystal]

it is

[crude geode]

Instead of just making them not damageable by summons until hit with something

[raw crystal]

aegis dodge, thats how it works rn for calamity summons

[hollow shell]

Axe of Purity suggestion looks good

[raw crystal]

besides grax

[gleaming spade]

yeah I wasn't entirely sure how to have the ability work with grax but the devs can probably find something out

[hollow shell]

I think your solution is aight

[karmic light]

Well that's great!

But I'm giving them an answer they can do now at this very moment, not in the future when it is nolonger necessary.

[gleaming spade]

implementing that would still take time I think, which would be better spent doing the armor's rework