suggestions-discussion

[ashen warren]

Doesn't help.

[hollow shell]

I feel that.

[frail mantle]

i mean you could put it in a google doc but that will also absolutely butcher the amount of people who will read the suggestion

[ashen warren]

Indeed.

Also sucks that Discord is all like "Pay us $100 Canadian a YEAR to have double the character limit!", but I digress.

[ashen warren]

Also, are the developers planning on adding a Sulphurous Sea Pylon and more Whips? Is there even a point in making a suggestion such as that? Seems too obvious for me to bother haha. They're probably already planning.

[drowsy plank]

yes those are both planned already

you can check the FAQ in #calamity-update-talk i believe for more details

[frail mantle]

pylons are planned for every calamity biome except the abyss

[ashen warren]

Wonderful to hear.

[frail mantle]

more whips are also planned, although i don't think they have any conceptualized yet

[grim tusk]

“Its annoying”

[drowsy plank]

honestly kinda hope they add the duo whip from the unofficial cal whip mod

looked cool

[frail mantle]

@gentle chasm you're gonna have to elaborate there

[gentle chasm]

what else could i say

[ashen warren]

Why is it annoying, maybe?

[drowsy plank]

lmfao he doesnt even want it to be changed or anything just have the option to shut it off entirely

[hollow shell]

We have actually gotten a lot of suggestions about it

If there's any testers in the chat, is it going to be changed for the next update? (muting/lowering the sound, making it only activate if enemies are near, etc) ?

Apologies if this has already been answered before, I can't remember everything

[grim tusk]

Nerfed probably

As it shredded plant during [redacted] testing faster than fucking brimflame

[hollow shell]

Anything non-stat / non-DPS based?

[drowsy plank]

nerfed? damn
makes sense tho i deadass liked it more than shroomite

[grim tusk]

Probably lowered pulse rate from what Ozz said

[gentle chasm]

ok so basically what if the pulse effect was transparent and silent

[drowsy plank]

why not just make it quieter...?

[worthy lintel]

because it also needs a nerf

its huh

very potent

[drowsy plank]

i meant instead of literally removing all the audio and visual cues lmao

not the damage thing

[ashen warren]

I don't believe the suggestion was in reference to it being nerfed though. Just to the annoyance it causes.

[worthy lintel]

no but its fun to say its broken rn

[ashen warren]

Even if it IS already planning on being nerfed.

[worthy lintel]

but yes its planned to make the waves more spaced out

[gentle chasm]

yeah idc about it's damage i just think it's annoying

[ashen warren]

Also sorry for mentioning things unrelated, but thanks @hollow shell for mentiong Trashers dropped Diving Helmets! I've been spending my time farming for them ever since you mentioned it and I finally got my Diving Helmet!

[hollow shell]

Nice nice

[hot zephyr]

Fandom wiki screenshot 💀

[ashen warren]

Is that a problem...?

[hot zephyr]

No

[hollow shell]

Yes

[hot zephyr]

Borealis Bomber will probably be getting autoswing in the future

[hollow shell]

The Fandom wiki is no longer being maintained and may/will feature inaccuracies
You should use the Wiki.gg wiki
https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Calamity_Mod_Wiki

[hot zephyr]

(I should go ask YuH to change it)

[ashen warren]

If there's a better option I should be using instead of the Fandom wiki, feel free to let me know. I was just using it as an example to show how little "Other" summon weapons there were.

[ashen warren]

Good to know! Sorry again, as this was the wiki I was referred to.

[ashen warren]

Glad to hear it.

[hollow shell]

I don't blame you for not knowing about it. Fandom has higher search engine results and is the wiki we've used for years. We only did the switch a few months ago

For your sugg, the one difference is that Cnidarian should be included in that list you screenshotted

[ashen warren]

Understandable. Must have been why I missed it. Either way, I appreciate you informing me.

[ashen warren]

Is there a way to adjust my suggestion with this screenshot? Should I just delete it and include that screenshot instead?

I'll just repost the suggestion in 4 minutes.

[hollow shell]

Sure that's fine

[hot zephyr]

cnidarian my beloved

[ashen warren]

I had no idea it existed... Now I feel bad.

[hot zephyr]

It's a new addition

The Fandom wiki isn't run by the Calamity devs and is a few updates behind now

They use SEO bots to jump above the official wiki though

[ashen warren]

Makes sense. I'll be sure to tell me friends to use this wiki too.

[hot zephyr]

give Cnidarian a try it's a fun little thing

[crude geode]

Victide weapon reworks my beloved

[hot zephyr]

the wulfrum reworks are better

[swift wharf]

[crude geode]

True

[hot zephyr]

slime puppet staff got autoswing because I was annoyed when testing 1.4

i'll just complain loud enough until borealis gets it

[crude geode]

Wait why does urchin mace exist

[hot zephyr]

maces are cool

[ashen warren]

I have tried the Cnidarian and come to the conclusion that it is, in fact, a funny little thing.

Wish I used it in Pre-Hardmode.

[crude geode]

Maces are cool but did we need to make it red tide sword 2.0

[hot zephyr]

Yes

[crude geode]

I see

[gray nebula]

Next update will be a banger

.

Also shut up its not redtide sword 2.0

slime puppet staff to be made into an actual slime puppet staff coming 2023

its like cnidarian except you control a puppet using the string attachment wooden crosses thing

and you have 2 at once

[ashen warren]

BASED

[gray nebula]

and you gotta manage them simultaneously by using 2 mouses

[ashen warren]

EXTRA BASED

[storm bridge]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[crude geode]

Trackpad users crying (all 4 of them)

[hot zephyr]

you also need a n64 controller for the palm circle

[hollow shell]

Finally
My NES Power Glove becomes useful yet again

[hot zephyr]

It's so bad!

[hollow shell]

It's so bad.

[hot zephyr]

SUPER MARIO THREEEEEE

[gray nebula]

just realized wulfrum is better because its got the cute accs

wonder what shield of the ocean could be turned into

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah, the Vic equippables weren't changed at all were they

[gray nebula]

nop

armor also remained mostly the same minus the slight aestehtic changes to the summon

im really sad because if we want it to not be a 5 helmet thing wed have to kill inanis cool stuff

maybe we can have a crafting station thats just there to restyle helmets into alternate looks

[hollow shell]

It's okay, we can keep them as vanity helmets like we did for GS/Silva

Current Shield of the Ocean is just a conditional stat stick

Maybe the shield could be a physical object that floats to your left or right based on where you are looking, and do mini-parries along the lines of the Ark weapons, reducing proj/contact damage coming from the direction you're facing...

Not an effect specific to Shield of the Ocean, just kind of a general shield effect

Hitbox size and reduction amount could get boosted when submerged or something

[gray nebula]

maybe

could also have something to do with starfighses expelling their stomach out

[hollow shell]

Or perhaps the Fun Fact that starfishes can regrow entire limbs when they're cut off, and then those cut-off limbs regrow entire new bodies

(I dunno how true that is but it was a well-known enough fact to get into Spongebob)

[worn salmon]

its true

ive seen regrown starfish before!

[hollow shell]

That's cool

[gray nebula]

yea

its crazy awesome

[worn salmon]

lmao imagine if the shield gave you the starfish suction legs

[worn salmon]

ah yes vomit all over the enemies and digest them

[gray nebula]

maybe its just somehing like the new rover drive

(aka oddly shaped opal ror2)

(aka cautious slug ror2)

gives increased regeneration after not taking damage for a while

[worn salmon]

👀

[gray nebula]

and maybe even its like, if you dont get hit for X seconds, you can heal up half the damage from the last hit you took (with a cap to avoid it getting busted in endgame)

so its likecautious slug X medkit

[worn salmon]

that sounds neat

[hollow shell]

That sounds kinda familiar and also a good idea

[worn salmon]

what if it curled you up inside a starfish ball

[drowsy plank]

for some reason when i saw yall were talking about reworking shield of the ocean my first thought was something like dream shield from HK but that's prolly just cause they're both "star shaped"

also isnt the healing effect you were talking about iban kinda like silver armor?

like an objectively better version tho

[hollow shell]

Silver or Silva?

[drowsy plank]

silver

"Two seconds after being hit for 20 or more damage, heal for 10 health; getting hit again during this time will reset the timer"

[hollow shell]

I didn't know we even gave unique set bonuses to the ore armors

[worn salmon]

speaking of statstick shields are you guys planning to do anything with ornate shield? curious

[drowsy plank]

HOW

lmfao

[hollow shell]

It's the dash shield.

[worn salmon]

oh yeah

forgot that functionality exists

[drowsy plank]

are there even any shield without effects left?

[hollow shell]

Depends on how you define "effect"

[drowsy plank]

that aren't just boring stat sticks

basically

[hollow shell]

Ocean is the only one left I think
Unless you count Rampart of Deities (which I would)

[worn salmon]

what does rampart do again

havent used that in ages

[hollow shell]

Buncha shit

[drowsy plank]

literally just all the mimic accessories + frozen turtle shell + pal shield

[drowsy plank]

nothing cool or interesting

[hollow shell]

Yeah it doesn't do anything unique of its own. It is simply raw inheritance

[worn salmon]

the auric tesla armor of shields

[hollow shell]

Debatable whether that belongs to Asgardian Aegis or Rampart

[drowsy plank]

yknow now that the idea got into my head i really do think it'd be cool to have some kinda dreamshield effect on rampart where it circles around you and if you line up the shield with a projectile it reflects it like evolution or transformer

[hollow shell]

I have had an idea similar to that for Frigid Bulwark / Rampart of Deities before

Except the shield would be controllable rather than automatically orbitting

Years-old proposal, ultimately rejected for overcomplexity, I think

[drowsy plank]

that makes sense, maybe it could follow the cursor

ah

darn

well actually if it's years old at this point... i mean id argue things like ark's parries or biome blade attunements are way more complicated but... it might be too much to ask for in a sugg still

at least the idea is out there tho

[hollow shell]

This is indeed a different landscape than it was back in like 2019

[worn salmon]

would be cool if there was a shield that let you put up temporary defensive barriers/fields that blocked/slowed enemies and projectiles

[hollow shell]

That was also an idea that came up for Rampart I think

Dunno if it got written down anywhere though

Cuz it looks like a big tower shield, that you could slam it down and project any players hiding behind the shield

[worn salmon]

yeah

the name of it is pretty grand too

so it would make sense for it to do something somewhat spectacular

• tier

[worn salmon]

i do like the idea of a shield that can be used to protect multiple players and not just one

[hollow shell]

Indeed

[worn salmon]

support and teamwork items are cool

[hollow shell]

Also at some point we should establish a bit more of an identity difference between Asgardian Aegis and Rampart of Deities

[swift wharf]

Not a bad idea since it already helps other players

[hollow shell]

It does have a pretty good split already with Rampart being the defensive heavy shield and Aegis being the fast combat shield
But Aegis grants more defense than Rampart, and of course the Ankh debuff immunities

and the Elysian Guard too

[swift wharf]

and abaddon, coral shield, uhhhh

[worn salmon]

aegis to me seems like a jack of all trades shield

[hollow shell]

Kinda

I guess it's a middle ground between Void Sash and Rampart
Both defense and mobility

Also @ashen warren A perfectly acceptable suggestion, however each user is limited to 2 suggestions per day to mitigate flooding
You can repost it once your Bloody Tear / Diving Helmet suggestion gets moved to #suggestions-voting

[ashen warren]

Oh goodness, sorry about that. I'll just copy it and save it for another day.

[hollow shell]

mhm

[worn salmon]

heh imagine if it had a dash that could move in a serpentine, curved manner

[hollow shell]

Make Void Sash let you do curved dashes like Signus's mouth form

[worn salmon]

so true

[drowsy plank]

yknow what ever happened to implementing the lore item effects as their own thing?

i mean most of them suck but some of them seemed worth keeping

[hot zephyr]

cryogen lore became the ornate shield

[drowsy plank]

oh i know but there were others like BoC, EoW, and Slime God in particular that actually had decent unique effects

but most of the rest were just stat sticks

[crude geode]

isn't boc just night vision potion

[hollow shell]

That was EoC

[crude geode]

Right sorry

[hollow shell]

I forgot what BoC and EoW were

[drowsy plank]

BoC is like a weird preHM rod of discord that only works in the crimson and gives u confused

[distant gyro]

boc is phm rod

[crude geode]

BoC was just. rod of discord.

[distant gyro]

eow is spore sac

[hollow shell]

Oh.

What were Perfs and HIV

[distant gyro]

ointment

[hollow shell]

oh were they just spawn blockers lmao

[distant gyro]

unless you mean the other one

[crude geode]

Wasn’t that crimson and corrupt lore

[distant gyro]

then it's flasks

[drowsy plank]

the other ones just gave ichor and cursed flames

lol

[crude geode]

oh lol

[hollow shell]

Damn I'm glad the lore items got removed jesus christ

[distant gyro]

there's two (two)

[crude geode]

Yeah

Slime god was funny slingshot mode physics

[distant gyro]

frozen slime block sim

[crude geode]

The only ones I felt bad about the removal of was like grab extenders but uhhh treasure magnet lol

[crude geode]

Out of all of the ones mentioned I think like. slime god was the only unique one.

[drowsy plank]

lmao fair enough

[hot zephyr]

it would not be too difficult to just add permanent item range ups

[crude geode]

Yeah I would be fine either way

[drowsy plank]

i suppose BoC was kinda dumb and you also have the weird Deerclops one to replace EoW's
also permanent item range ups would be nice

[hollow shell]

We may be seeing a return of the grab-range-increasings and the always-Frozen-Slime-blocks effect
in the future

[hot zephyr]

the loot magnet needs to work like the plant fiber guide, have it be an inventory toggle

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[crude geode]

Fr

Vanilla loves making cool things that take up an accessory slot when they shouldn’t

[hollow shell]

Reading the first half of that sugg I thought "the hell you talking about there being a lack of blocks"

"and furniture"

[hot zephyr]

have a magnet line that exists in similar progression points, and then delete ceaseless void potions and tie it into the magnet

[hollow shell]

But you are actually totally correct that the Lab set does not have a table and chair (or light source?) and therefore cannot be used to construct housing

[drowsy plank]

CV no longer being potions but an item would be based

having an upgrade to inferno potion that acted like the brimmy lore item would also be cool

[hollow shell]

@vivid cosmos I definitely don't think there is a lack of blocks, nor even a lack of furniture

[hollow shell]

but ^

Additionally you could download the Calamity Vanities mod for even more lab furniture

[hot zephyr]

does the exo set count

[hollow shell]

I think it would be valid to suggest that the base mod get tables and chairs for the set though

[distant gyro]

lab light source is always a glass lantern

[hollow shell]

Probably not no

[hot zephyr]

glass lanterns do kinda fit perfectly though

[vivid cosmos]

well there is a fair amount of furniture

[drowsy plank]

maybe the lights could be more like the starbound bar lights than laterns

[vivid cosmos]

just nothing really for the purposes of building NPC housing and such

[hollow shell]

Yeah

I personally think the suggestion could get changed to ask for Lab-themed furnitures that are valid for NPC housing

[vivid cosmos]

i was trying to build a lab-themed building in the ice biome but there wasn't any table/chair to fit the theme

[hollow shell]

rather than just "more"

[terse sundial]

just looking through suggestions rq, the one from a few days ago that asks "release on preview before the 1st of a month" is not happening

[vivid cosmos]

that is true

i might edit the suggestion

[terse sundial]

releasing on preview will draw a massive amount of players towards playing actively on the tml preview branch

which is something everyone wants to avoid

[hollow shell]

It could be a limited release, as the suggestion's motivation is for Calamity addon-mods to not have to panic-update

Not sure how the logistics of that would work though

How it'd be distributed, who would be valid to get it, etc

[terse sundial]

yeah

that would end up as a logistical nightmare

[vivid cosmos]

Ight, re-made my suggestion to be more specific towards NPC housing furniture

[hollow shell]

Much better, thank you

@proven cave You have to format your suggestion properly
You must have a title on the top, separated with a reasoning below (separated using a line break, Shift+Enter)

(also you have Clockwork Bow which is somewhat similar)

[crude geode]

Mmmm would a suggestion about reducing the number of mage weapons that upgrade through the game be alright?

[hollow shell]

If you're that vague, probably not.
You'd have more luck singling some weapon lines out I think

[proven cave]

bruh

[crude geode]

Sky Glaze in particular is one that I feel overstays it welcome, and is a prime example of the type of weapons I mean. One off weapons that would likely stay one off weapons in vanilla (such as spirit flame, demon scythe, book of skulls), but in cal it feels as though almost every magic weapon has an equivalent upgrade

Not to say vanilla also doesn’t do this, but it’s to less of an extent than cal imo

[hollow shell]

🤔 hmm

How would you feel if just Wyvern's Call got removed instead of both Wyvern's Call and Clamor Noctus?

[crude geode]

The said weapons also don’t just. straight up use the item in recipes for it’s upgrade

I think that’d be fine

2 I feel is the magic number, whereas 3 is where it becomes a weird pattern that kinda conflicts with vanilla (it actually has a TON of two of weapons surprisingly)

[hollow shell]

I don't think you should rely so much on vanilla precedent

[crude geode]

True

[hollow shell]

If you can, try to find and use other reasons why longer more step-wise weapon lines are inferior to one-off weapons or significant jump upgrades

[crude geode]

One of the major reasons imo is that one-off weapons/significant jump tend to be a lot more unique, and less set filler type stuff that just exists as a minor upgrade of something else, like Wyvern’s Call or the now removed Stratus Sphere

[hollow shell]

I assume the Mana Rose - Arch Amaryllis line also falls into your thought process?

[crude geode]

Ehhh I think you can kinda justify some of them as the big Terra blade esque equivalents that every class has

I’ll probably think up more logical reasonings for this sugg when it isn’t 90 degrees outside

[hot zephyr]

Make a suggestion to remove Lashes of Chaos and Forbidden Sun from Helium Flash's recipe pls :)

[hollow shell]

You probably do want to reason out why some weapons feel deserving of many steps, while some feel like they don't

[crude geode]

I think the major thing is just change in design. Something like the Terra ray line changes pretty drastically from upgrade to upgrade, but something like helium flash line just doesn’t change and is the same weapon with very slight changes

It’s probably why I dislike all of the auric weapons for mage, none of them really do anything unique or new, just upgrades versions of previous things….though this is an auric problem in general

[drowsy plank]

how many magic weapons just have random ass weapons from completely different lines thrown in. like "ah yes of course this giant metal wand clearly needs some books put into it; that makes complete sense"

[crude geode]

It’s really not a different line

[hollow shell]

They are included based on functional similarities, not because of the theme of the sprites

[crude geode]

Yeah

[hollow shell]

All three weps are Inferno Fork clones

so they go into the final Inferno Fork upgrade

[drowsy plank]

fair enough it still looks funny

[safe oasis]

#suggestions-posting message

wasn’t voice acting refused before

[drowsy plank]

yeah

[safe oasis]

no exclam on it though

[gray nebula]

yes silver armor also is Medkit

but dnc

[drowsy plank]

based

[hollow shell]

Best I can tell it was quite a while ago, about 9 months
And I've been uhh inconsistent on whether or not to let suggs through that have been rejected before

[cobalt pewter]

I feel like it'd be fine if it's a permanent upgrade like hp stuff, like

is there any merits in not having the range of those increased?

[crude geode]

burden of proof fallacy

[hot zephyr]

There's going to be someone rushing in here complaining about having too much range a millisecond after this hypothetical item gets added

You and I both know it

[cobalt pewter]

...ah fuck.

[hot zephyr]

see: Placement range config suggestors

[crude geode]

cal players when a month passes (this means that a change has occurred)

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair I was thinking more of gradual improvement in grab range across the progression, so the big range would only really be noticeable later on, but yes, yes, that is a nasty possibility

[hot zephyr]

STOP ADDING QUALITY OF LIFE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE QOL SO WE CAN COMPLAIN ON REDDIT

[distant gyro]

true

[crude geode]

true

[distant gyro]

no actually

reddit does nothing if qol gets added

[crude geode]

technically this is hypocritical as I hate the "qol" of potions being added to shop npcs

[distant gyro]

not all qol is equal

[crude geode]

very true

[cobalt pewter]

QoL is a very nasty matter to be talked about

I find Magic Storage shit

go on, bash me

[distant gyro]

veinminer is not the same as magic storage which is not the same as alchnpc which is not the same as recipe browser

out of these roster recipe browser is definitely the best

[crude geode]

Magic Storage is the most brainless shit that adds to boss only, so ofc cal players love it

[crude geode]

fr fr

I would complain about it if guide was less uh. shit.

[cobalt pewter]

Recipe Browser is what I'd consider to be the most fitting for my definitions of QoL

[distant gyro]

it is also one of the most respectable

[cobalt pewter]

true true

I find Where's My Items to be a significantly more respectable QoL compared to Magic Storage

because it's not braindead, just really helpful

[crude geode]

yeah honestly makes sense

[north oracle]

Recipie browser is the only one of those QoL mods I use lmao

[gray nebula]

just added a config to turn off the base stat increases

[fossil mural]

I saw a mod on the mod browser trying to do that earlier lol

[hollow shell]

@fading nest You have to format your suggestion properly
You must have a title on the top, separated with a reasoning below (separated using a line break, Shift+Enter)

[fading nest]

sorry, ill change it

[grave zinc]

@subtle sapphire - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

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[hollow shell]

yep

[small timber]

@fading nest (I will be honest considering this suggestion got denied and your version is basically an upgraded (downgraded in terms of acquiring the summon?) version of the suggestion, the chance of it getting accepted can be quite slim) #suggestions-voting message

to certain degree the cyst method is like some of the unique boss spawn method (left) in the mod, so taking them completely away like this is a bit counterintuitive, considering the devs wanted to make bosses summon method more unique instead of craft and click

I think a better version of what your suggestion want to achieve will be have an item that significantly increase cyst spawn

[fading nest]

alr

[small timber]

that way you can achieve what you want without having the suggestion have significantly high chance to get denied

[fading nest]

i think so to

[kindred creek]

Oh, I thought you could only get it from the traveling merchant

My bad

Guess I’ve just never had it drop.

Changed suggestion accordingly.

[distant gyro]

to be 20%

[kindred creek]

That doesn’t really help tho. Ice Claspers are already a rare enemy. Unless the chance of ice clasps spawning is increased, increasing the drop chance doesn’t help.

[distant gyro]

Ancient Ice Chunk is 1/3 and it's relatively easy to stumble upon despite that

[kindred creek]

I’ve literally never gotten it from an ice clasper

Just changed the suggestion.

[eternal escarp]

i got one from my first clasper kill just yesterday

byea

[kindred creek]

To increase the spawn rates of ice claspers.

[distant gyro]

might also be an ice enemy thing

because all things considered ice claspers are not that rare

Cryon is 0.015
Rimehound is 0.012
Aurora Spirit is 0.01
Ice Clasper is 0.007

[eternal escarp]

all it takes is a battle / zerg potions iirc

[small timber]

it definitely spawn often enough, just people expect it to be farmed within 30 seconds

you probably can get it (without battle/zerg) in around 5 minutes if it is 20% drop rate

ok ice clasper seems to spawn more consistently underground (maybe because of less random enemy type), but on surface it get clutter by other enemies, but maybe placebo

[crude geode]

Making a sugg about something that is literally going to be changed next update is pretty bad. It’s why we didn’t allow 1.4 suggs

[eternal escarp]

@gleaming spade you cant suggest specific items

also "it would be nice" is sadly not a good enough reason

[small timber]

ya just keep the "buff shroomite armor" part

[idle plank]

hmm

[small timber]

(or rather, chlorophyte should be nerfed anyway, in its current stat it is unbelievably busted)

chlorophyte is already nerfed right? at least I will assume so

remember seeing it somewhere

like it pulse slower or something

[idle plank]

yeah just the pulse alone does like half my total DPS as ranger

and it also heals me

even if it has gotten nerfed already its still far better than other armor sets around that stage

[gleaming spade]

Didn't know that

[eternal escarp]

its in the Don'ts document

which is pinned in this channel

[simple karma]

be sorry How should I access the art server?Maybe I asked the wrong place.

[frail mantle]

#info

(it is the wrong place but it's fine)

[simple karma]

thank you

[fossil finch]

🤨

What

Damage reforges are percentual

They can't be more lacking than they're in vanilla if damage does nothing but go up

[hollow shell]

@royal wren Please elaborate more

With full Menacing you can get +28% damage which is more than any accessory in the game (afaik)

[royal wren]

From what I've been told and have seen. Calamity changes how your damage gets buffed

For instance, in vanilla, 5 menacing accessories give a 20% boost to damage, but it seems that this isn't the case in calamity

I have no real evidence to back this

Just from what I've felt by playing, and from what I've heard

[hollow shell]

Are you getting it confused with our Damage Reduction diminishing returns, as in the defensive stat?

btw Goblin Tinkerer sells a Stat Meter that you can look at to confirm your claims

[royal wren]

I'm certain it's an increase to damage. However, I could always have been misled

[hollow shell]

Go grab the stat meter, and probably do some DPS tests n quick math too

[royal wren]

ofc

After some light testing, I'm willing to say that I was wrong

[hollow shell]

Alright

I'm glad there wasn't some mysterious unexplained overarching balance mechanic that I wasn't aware of

Wouldn't be the first time..

[royal wren]

lmao

[swift wharf]

I agree with this suggestion

[sand ermine]

Honestly one of the best suggestions I have seen since 2.0 came out

[hollow shell]

@stray vector See the Don'ts doc in pins

This would qualify as a Specific Item Suggestion, which is disallowed

[stray vector]

oh fr my bad

[hollow shell]

It wouldn't be impossible to suggest that some wings get added to pair with Obsidian Armor, buffing it into a later game tier like we do for Necro

But it would be quire difficult to find reasoning for why it should be that armor set and not any others, and why it should be a wing-buff style and not adding an upgrade or something similar

[stray vector]

yeahhh necro armor is what initially kinda gave me the idea, and honestly valid — here’s my line of reasoning:

-obsidian armor is the only armor set that gives whip bonuses

-it’s a pre-hm armor (similar to necro)

-giving these bonuses to obsidian armor would also promote sort of an alternate way to play summoner — giving up summon slots (given from the armors available at the time) for a more whip-centric playing style (kind of like how the old ones army armors promote sentrys and such).

Though, i do understand the argument for making an upgrade to obsidian armor instead or something similar, and tbh that sounds super dope too as an alternative for what i’m saying lol

[swift wharf]

how about

repurposing obsidian horseshoe

since it has
.
uses

[hollow shell]

You could suggest that a later game whip-focused something get added, and include as examples in the reasoning either Obsidian Wings to pull a Necro armor, or an upgrade to Obsidian Armor itself

[drowsy plank]

i may be wrong but i would like to point out that vanilla terraria has plans to turn tiki into a whip set, and i think there might be another? but obsidian wont be the only whip set for much longer

[hollow shell]

That would be nice, differentiate its purpose with Spooky a bit more

[drowsy plank]

i might just be parroting someone else delusion, but if vanilla doesnt do it, i might sugg for calamity to do it myself, cause it really does make sense, both with the issue of overlap, and thematically out of all sets, it seems the most appropriate

[swift wharf]

funny how tiki becomes whip based while spooky has dark harvest

[drowsy plank]

also after glancing at the post-ML armor sets, the more i think about it, the more i think Omega Blue would actually be a very useful set to give whip stats too, esp considering Fearmonger literally there a tier after as another all-class set, and OB literally incentivizing the sort of spacing whips also promote anyway, not to mention that i dont think it'd be much of a stretch to see a tentacle whip, so it works thematically

actually compared to hardmode there really are just a whole lot less armor sets in ML than any other point in the game huh

id imagine they might add some sort of tiki whip, but yes it is rather funny

[swift wharf]

turn the tentacles into whips

[hollow shell]

Well
We probably want actual whips in Post-ML before we consider making any equipment in that tier boost whip stats

[drowsy plank]

also fair, just a consideration for the future

also giant squids dropping a tentacle whip is actually prolly a really good idea since they already drop the good abyss summon weapon in that stage anyway

[hot zephyr]

go crazy go stupid

make fearmonger the whip armor

people liked it as a broken summoner tank set

let's get funky

[swift wharf]

iban leaks 🤯

well

fearmonger is p much spooky 2

and spooky has dark harvest

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[hot zephyr]

there's a french person controlling me

[swift wharf]

🧵

[drowsy plank]

idr care which one it is i just think two all classes one after the other that are both viable on the same tier is ehhhhhh

[swift wharf]

(no strings emote)

yeah

[stray vector]

yeah fr they both give mad summon damage😔🙏🏼

[sand ermine]

@stray vigil wrong format

[stray vigil]

ok

[sand ermine]

put a title/shortened reason for your suggestion, then separate your reasoning with space by using shift+enter

[hollow shell]

We already make each mimic drop multiple different items at once

Sounds like just, bad luck

[sand ermine]

yeah

try using battle/zerg potions too?

along with water candles and stuff like using death mode during a blood moon to get even more spawn rates

[swift wharf]

hell mimics are pretty easy to farm

[sand ermine]

yeah

[proud quest]

when will astral monolith generation be fixed

its kinda immersion breaking when its floating 200 blocks above the astral biome

[gaunt tiger]

Voice acting suggestion kinda a good idea actually

[proud quest]

make a calamity version that solely deletes profaned energy pls

[hollow shell]

Invisibility Potion suggestion #47

[proud quest]

wdym

[hollow shell]

The one sitting in #suggestions-posting
We've gotten so many suggestions asking for that same thing

[proud quest]

what about a nerf to the amount of projectiles

theres like 30 projectiles for a single big one

and they spawn so far away too

[hollow shell]

Are you talking about Profaned Energies

[proud quest]

Yes

and they spawn so frequently

[hollow shell]

You can make a suggestion about making them less chaotic yes
We do have future plans for them but they're a looong ways away, so we can do something else in the meantime

[proud quest]

bro id be so happy if its spawnrates were lowered even just a little

honestly theyre such a nuisance

[crude geode]

Cal players when an enemy actually does something instead of sitting there and dying

[hollow shell]

(I probably shoulda told them to remove that autoswing bit from the summoner suggestion)

(Damn)

[proud quest]

cal devs when the community doesnt like enemies that spawn so frequently and that are the most tedious enemies that there have been multiple requests to delete only that said enemy

make fun enemies maybe

[swift wharf]

I have never seen a request to delete profaned energies

[crude geode]

^

[swift wharf]

Nothing here

[proud quest]

@swift wharf

[swift wharf]

Nor #suggestions-voting

Another one falls for the eciipse

[crude geode]

That. Was referring to the invisibility sugg?????

It was never referring to you

[swift wharf]

^

We had like

5

[proud quest]

damn okay

[swift wharf]

about stealth invis

[proud quest]

but still its the worst enemy in terraria

[swift wharf]

This kind of sounds like salt

[proud quest]

id say its still one of the worst enemeis

[drowsy plank]

prof enemies are fine except scorn eater when in hell bc it's a tight space

fuck scorn eater

[swift wharf]

zen potions help btw

[crude geode]

It’s almost like hell isn’t designed around that enemy

[proud quest]

prof energies just spawn so much and they spawn billions of projectiles and they always interrupt arena building

[drowsy plank]

crazy i know

just

kill them

use celebration to blow up hell or something if ur building down there

[dawn verge]

I had a good idea (At least I think it's good) but I'm not too sure where (If I even am) allowed to put it or if it has already been suggested (Probably has-) so uh

Where would I put it?

[drowsy plank]

here

if u want people to evaluate it before posting it in the proper posting channel that is

which i assume is what ur asking

[swift wharf]

make sure to have read the suggestion donts

[dawn verge]

Ooo okey

Sadly i think it would fall under a major update thing

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

time to learn how to mod urself

what even was it

[dawn verge]

Making mechs a summoner subclass, kinda like the new stuff they are showing

[drowsy plank]

could've sworn i saw someone talk about that somewhere before actually
and while it could be cool, i do think i agree that it'd be a lot of work and they haven't even finished whip balancing yet

not to mention the sheer number of stat sticks that need overhauls first anyway

[dawn verge]

Summoners don't have a have subclass like Melee (Yoyo) and Ranger (Guns and bows) so i think it would have been nice alas. It is just the dream of a summoner player

[dawn verge]

Yeah i was thinking that lol

[drowsy plank]

i mean
whip summoner
staff summoner (puppet slime and borealis bomber)
sentry summoner

[dawn verge]

Shush I uh- didn't think of that-

Also, I just think of whip summoner as the regular class

[swift wharf]

and cnidarian

[drowsy plank]

while a mech subclass would be cool as hell, id say it'd be really hard to justify it, esp currently

[drowsy plank]

calamity considers just the summon staffs to be the regular class
it's how the class had been balanced for most of the mods life

ah yes right

[swift wharf]

You can still suggest for more mech-y stuff no?

[drowsy plank]

yeah that'd prolly work

[swift wharf]

rn it's just wulfrum set and the endgame acc

[drowsy plank]

something in hardmode and post-ML would be nice

[dawn verge]

Maybe

[dawn verge]

The problem with that is that it would probably get replaced quickly

[drowsy plank]

you could probably justify it as something like giving summoner more unique active options or something, along with being greatly enjoyed by the community

i mean at that point you could say it about any weapon

i dont think you'll get your subclass but having one for each stage of progression at least would be cool, right?

[dawn verge]

Maybe a Ravager style mech then a providence style one?

[drowsy plank]

they aren't like bows and yoyos where you could just throw one together in a day, so a subclass for them would be slim

like the ravager idea, but i feel like DoG's Cosmolite armor better leans into the whole machine idea

[dawn verge]

I would say to use the Wulfrum mech as a base and build off it

[drowsy plank]

tbf wulfrum "mech" is just the armor's set bonus, and i dont think hardmode needs any more armor sets

but it'd be a cool item or accessory

[dawn verge]

Yeah. Maybe one for the start of post-ML then the end with DoG?

I'm honestly just spitting ideas atm- I don't think ill suggest it now

[drowsy plank]

tbf rav is pretty close to the start of post-ML so i think those two would be fine, regardless this is dottling on specifics that probably wouldn't even be needed for the sugg because details like this come down to the devs, these would be nothing more than suggestions

[hot zephyr]

the wulfrum set bonus and the andromeda mech are extremely different

[drowsy plank]

id focus more on why this would be a good idea, like how popular the mech suits are or something

yeah

[gray nebula]

𝓝𝓸

[dawn verge]

They are a good idea but i dont think i would be able to suggest something like that

[drowsy plank]

lmao

[dawn verge]

Okey 🐸

[gray nebula]

making it a subclass would 1 : take a lot of effort ouughghggogughg

2 : remove the uniqueness from it

[frail mantle]

thing with a mech subclass is it'd make the two already existing mechs feel less cool

[dawn verge]

I know- I realized that after I gave it like- 2 more seconds of thought lol

[gray nebula]

sorry oomfie 😭

[dawn verge]

I didn't know the thing was a set bonus tbh

My frog brain went “:0 mechs go Evangelion theme”

[hot zephyr]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948788514596720731/948805309097447444/ezgif-4-1a4d22cdbb.gif

[drowsy plank]

just learn how to program and make the terraria mech mod ez

[hot zephyr]

summoners after pressing the down key twice with wulfrum scraP in their inventory

[dawn verge]

Wait what?

[hot zephyr]

robot

[dawn verge]

Totally lol- Maybe- i dont know how to program, do pixel art, or even mod butttt-

I can do it

[dawn verge]

Oh-

[drowsy plank]

i mean they got plenty of tutorials and code to base it off of

[dawn verge]

Yeah totally. I just enter the matrix, steal the secret calamity code, and then use it to make Evangelion-style mechs so I can punch providence in its bird face

If you can't tell. I hate providence. The fight is sick, I just struggle a lot with it

[hollow shell]

Make a suggestion about it then
instead of repeatedly complaining in this channel expecting someone to write the suggestion for you

(and yeah these messages were not directed towards you, clearly
I even directed you towards #suggestions-posting, where you would've seen the Invisibility Potion suggestion)

[proud quest]

ok

[hollow shell]

@lime cipher You're going to need to elaborate more, my friend

[sand ermine]

isnt the issue with calamity's music being quieter than vanilla music generally a thing with tmod as a whole

because i think i remember hearing that somewhere

[cobalt rose]

its fixed next update iirc

[sand ermine]

no more adjusting my music volume by 25%

[crude geode]

@novel belfry cal does not change vanilla gear to be rogue if it’s already another class; see vampire knives and obsidian armor

Also why rework vanilla gear instead of the modded one which is now made obsolete?

In terms of concept idgaf about power level tbfh

[novel belfry]

Chlorophyte Armor

[crude geode]

It wasn’t changed to be rogue armor only? A helmet was added for it. It’s not like the ranged helmet was made to be rogue

Unless it was in which case tf

[hollow shell]

A helmet was not added for Chlorophyte

You're thinking of Shroomite maybe?

Or Forbidden?

[crude geode]

(I’m struggling to find the changes for chlorophyte in cal)

[hollow shell]

It's on the Armor page

It's missing from Vanilla Changes because lol!

[crude geode]

Lmao

Byeah cal tries very hard not to change vanilla class sets to boost rogue instead

[hollow shell]

He has already changed the suggestion to not mention rogue

[crude geode]

Didn’t notice when I sent the message

[lime cipher]

Calamity mod music config so we can control the music volume

[sand ermine]

@lime cipher

its an issue with tmod

[lime cipher]

D:

thanks

[drowsy plank]

@novel belfry prowler reworks next update; #calamity-update-talk message

[hot zephyr]

it's good

;)

[eternal escarp]

and the latter example you gave isnt staying, im fairly certain

[cobalt pewter]

didn't iban say the devs agreed on removing magic mirror ban on bossfights later on?

[eternal escarp]

yea

[cobalt pewter]

not sure about nurse

[eternal escarp]

nurse doesnt matter for anyone because yeah

but the mirror and friends things is pretty much not stayign

[vocal solstice]

I think I found something strange？

The thing behind the ancient doomsayer is just looks like the eye of xeroc

[hot zephyr]

wow

a circle

[vocal solstice]

just like this

seriously,I like the story of the Futurebosses.But it's difficult to add in.

[eternal escarp]

hence they were removed

and they will likely never return

[vocal solstice]

😂

[hot zephyr]

they will never

they are best to be collectively forgotten

[eternal escarp]

stronger confirmation

death to the dead

[vocal solstice]

you are right

[silver kiln]

add a memes section

[frail mantle]

no

we used to have a meme channel ages ago that lasted roughly 24 hours before it was deleted, and after that the mod team decided bringing it back would be too much of a hassle to deal with in a server as big as this one

[crisp lagoon]

Me and my mates are doing a playthrough and he keeps complaining that melee doesn't have any doesn't have any range perhaps there should be a melee subclass focusing on knives (chain and throwing) that would get him to stop whining, it would also be nice if these knives also focused on debuffs and other things to help out during fights

[hot zephyr]

i mean

it's the Melee class

[swift wharf]

knives would imply

shorter range

[hot zephyr]

there's already a massive amount of projectile and thrown melee weapons

also, if you want throwing knives just play Rogue lel

sounds like me he just needs to pick something else

[swift wharf]

^

(oh yeah luxors gift also helps
...if you find it)

[hot zephyr]

crungal symbiote too

[swift wharf]

with size modifiers

big shroom

[north oracle]

Ok, for that suggestion currently in posting, I know magic mirror is disabled in boss fights in all modes, not just death

[hot zephyr]

most anti-cheese is about to be removed

[cobalt pewter]

good

though I heard concerns about 1.4.4's loadouts system a while back

have the devs decided anything about it

[crisp lagoon]

I know but were at the mech fights and his only weapon that can keep him safe and consistently do damage is the sword from combineing the two swords from hell that got reworked, also we already have the vamp knives, the chain knife and the chain guillotines, a few more wont hurt

[inner anvil]

We have not talked about it.
We probably don't care...

[cobalt pewter]

very good.

I like loadouts and I don't want cal to mess around with it in a negative way

[inner anvil]

Bro, the loadouts was already a mod for months and it has 10 slots lmao.

[eternal escarp]

my beloved mod

anyways loadouts mean nothing because its effectively just Autopause

they are good QoL

[cobalt pewter]

true!

but difference is that this is a vanilla feature, which cal tends to touch as opposed to other mods

[eternal escarp]

but they mean nothing balance wise imo

[cobalt pewter]

so yeah, that was the concern initially

[inner anvil]

Nothing stops you from Pause Buffering in Calamity.

So nothing stops you from doing weird cheesy loadouts.

[frail mantle]

it's been mentioned in dev and patreon but i don't think much discussion has come out of it

[inner anvil]

Ye.

[hot zephyr]

there's nothing concrete I don't think

[frail mantle]

more of a "we'll see"

[inner anvil]

We'll probably just won't care at all lmao.

[hot zephyr]

but I wouldn't be shocked if there was some sort of a cooldown or lock on loudouts in fights depending on how the system is implemented

[inner anvil]

Maybe, maybe.

[hot zephyr]

seems reasonable to me

[small timber]

@stark locust specific item suggestion is disallowed, I think it counts as one
since it has specific effect mentioned and also a specific acquisition method mentioned

[swift wharf]

what does od have to even do with rod

[small timber]

ya, if the suggestion is just "give more reason to fight old duke" then it is fine; having a very specific item drop, that only works by tieing to ANOTHER specific item (Rod of Discord) is not really working for suggestion

(and I think the devs do mention that old dukes are intentionally optional, its weapon drops are quite powerful against DoG)

[grim tusk]

Even decent vs Yharon

But yea OD will always be optional iirc

[swift wharf]

dreaded rod upgrades

[grim tusk]

And yea no more RoD upgrades

NR was a mistake

[frail mantle]

a classless only playthrough doesn't need to be possible

[small timber]

support classless weapon literally deal no damage

[frail mantle]

it's a self-imposed challenge

[small timber]

their entire point is, well, support, as in debuff

the best classless support weapon (eye of magnus?) is literally WoF drop level of power

[rose panther]

it would be interesting

and many accessories will be crazy with it

[inner anvil]

For you.

[small timber]

it is part of the "Suggestions Don't" anyway so it will just not work

the effect of crit is basically just (roughly) double damage, and that is assuming you have 100% crit chance

you can use those weapon right now in game and roughly assume their dps is doubled, and you will see they are in no way viable

[inner anvil]

They're impossible to be viable unless we buff their damage, which we aren't.

[rose panther]

well avenger emblem

[inner anvil]

Avenger Emblem ain't killing Exo Mechs.

[rose panther]

and many debuffs

[small timber]

or the "classless weapons" also include bazooka, hydra and stuff

[inner anvil]

Debuffs are not even close to a normal weapon.

[small timber]

(that said can those weapons get removed already)

[inner anvil]

Oh yeah, weren't we removing them?

[small timber]

(they are like peak "boss only limitation" example)

oh right, good

[inner anvil]

I don't remember, let me check.

I'm going to be honest, classless weapons were only used by summoner, and now that they have whips, they kinda meh.

[small timber]

Marked debuff is kinda ok against aureus levi and pbg, but thats about it (and ravager)

[inner anvil]

Okay, all of the classless weapons still exist, but they aren't going to be buffed, as they're support weapons, and not many people seem to get that.

And if we wanted to be able to be used through the entire game, we will need to make another class, and surprise surprise, Rogue came out years ago and we still aren't finished.

Not worth our time.

[grim tusk]

Classless dudes when their final weapon is Yanmei’s

[inner anvil]

So true.

[grim tusk]

And theres also summoner

[inner anvil]

Summoner is a topic for another day.

[small timber]

@dapper violet cosmic plushie is a donor item, and I assume it being hardcore specific is intentional by the donor

unless one day hardcore journey mode get added (for some reason), it will simply not be acquirable on journey

[dapper violet]

Was making the suggestion as Calamity has just moved to 1.4 and Journey Mode characters can only access Journey Mode worlds
Not any other character difficulty

[small timber]

journey mode have a build in god mode so it is by nature will never be allowed to build hardcore character

[grim tusk]

Cosmic Plush is not donor (dev is probably more accurate as Terry once was a Calamity dev), but still dedicated. It requires death mode and hardcore

[small timber]

if you want it you just have to cheat sheet it in, or as stated, for some reason that journey hardcore get added

[small timber]

I think the current situation is pretty much death mode hardcore only or it is moved as a normal drop tbh

[grim tusk]

Pretty much everyone fucking cheats the plush in

[dapper violet]

Journey Hardcore won't be added :P

[small timber]

seeing how it being hardcore only is like, the point of the item

[dapper violet]

Saying that Journey characters shouldn't get locked out of certain items

[small timber]

and considering DoG's head in death mode was literal one shot, this item is an award for an amazing accomplishment of surviving death mode DoG

considering journey mode literally have a god mode build in, it doesnt really pair well

[dapper violet]

You used to get 0x33's Aviators from opening an EoC treasure bag in hardcore
They changed it to having it drop from EoC in Master
Still provides a challenge

[fossil finch]

That's a vanilla item

[small timber]

that is a vanilla change already decided by the devs

what you are doing now is basically the opposite, and is of convincing the devs to do the same, rather than stating that it is just to follow an example

[dapper violet]

I know
Was just mentioning how the Cosmic Plushie should be dropped for Journey characters

[fossil finch]

Point being, again, that plushie is hardcore only by decision of the dedicate and they won't change that without permission of the dedicate

Permission that you are the one to get if you're making a sugg about it

[small timber]

if journey mode do not have a build in god mode maybe you can convince the devs with reason like "make the plushie drop if the journey character never die once"

but considering journey mode literally have a toggle to make you completely invincible, it do not work either

so tldr, just cheat sheet it in

it will save a lot more trouble for trying to convince people

[dapper violet]

The suggestion makes it also be obtained by other non Hardcore characters

[dapper violet]

You can still get it in Hardcore, but other people can still obtain it

[small timber]

then you need to find the dedicatee for it, since suggestion for changing items (that is not balancing) must require the dedicatee's permission

[fossil finch]

could you please ignore the point

It's like it is because the dedicate asked for that exclusivity

[small timber]

(unless it is confirmed that he leave the server, but since the dedicatee seems to be a previous dev you might still get through)

ya, the hardcore exclusivity is definitely like, 99% of the point of the item, since the mechanic of the item itself is not exactly unique

[fossil finch]

Idk if terry is here anymore but he's not out of contact

So i think it still applies?

[small timber]

ya, then you probably have to get permission still

[grim tusk]

He aint here

But you can just join Fargo’s, find him and contact him

[small timber]

oh terry is fargo's dev

[hollow shell]

I can contact Terry about it

[proven folio]

rover?

[hollow shell]

Hello

[proven folio]

last time i made a suggestion it got tagged by the bot for removal

idk how to prevent that

[hollow shell]

Depends heavily on what the suggestion was about and how it was executed

also @dapper violet You're all good

[proven folio]

the last time i suggested something was adding vanilla master drops to expert rev+ mode for consistency

but someone said its being worked on and is just a bug currently

[hollow shell]

Yep, they are going to be added to Rev+

The Calamity relics already do, in fact

[proven folio]

now i kinda wanna suggest them adding or fixing the evil shrines for drunk seed

[hollow shell]

We're still trying to get the vanilla ones working

[hollow shell]

That sounds like a reasonable suggestion

[dapper violet]

Didn't expect that, but still fine by me

[proven folio]

ah yes i omitted a word there, i meant vanilla master drops but you figured that out either way

[neat linden]

suggestion is definitely reasonable but i'd format it a bit better and expand on the reasoning a bit

[proven folio]

wanna help out?

[neat linden]

not an expert at suggestions and formatting but sure

[neat linden]

i made a quick draft so far

Allow both evil biome shrines to generate if both evils are present (e.g. Drunk world seed)

Currently, only the shrine from the "main" world evil (the one picked during the generation of the world) is able to generate, regardless of if both evil biomes are generated or not. Allowing both shrines to generate in their respective biomes would allow all shrine contents to be easily obtainable, without the need to create a second world.

seems mostly fine for me although i'd still ask for more opinions

[hollow shell]

I wouldn't really make it an argument of easy obtainability

I think it's logical enough that both evils means both shrines

[neat linden]

i'd add that too

but not sure how to add without the "It'd simply make sense" as that's not really be good

[proven folio]

my arguments world be more content in the same world and more "complete"

idk

[neat linden]

i still think the "not needing to generate multiple" worlds is fine but yeah

[proven folio]

and ofc many people using both evil generation

[neat linden]

that is true but i wanted to avoid saying "the majority of people" because i have no source that proves it

[neat linden]

is "Allowing both shrines to generate in their respective biomes would make sense and also allow all shrine contents to be easily obtainable" any better or not really

or what Yokujin wrote, make the world more complete

it's also fine

I think

[proven folio]

replace easily with legitimately

🤔

[neat linden]

i mean
is generating multiple worlds not a legitimate way of obtainement

more tedious and annoying way but still

[proven folio]

some dont mind some hate using same char on different worlds

or just cheat the missing effigy

but its always nice if you can avoid needing to cheat

[drowsy plank]

why didnt the opposite evil shrine just spawn on the opposite evil island calamity added anyway 🤔

always seemed weird

[proven folio]

no thats actually just the opposite evil post plantera dungeon chest

[drowsy plank]

i know

im saying why isn't the shrine also included on the island

[proven folio]

which mod even adds the island

or is it vanilla drunk gen?

[drowsy plank]

the island is calamity world gen

[proven folio]

hmm ok

funny why not just spawn chest in dungeon

[hollow shell]

I assume there were technical reasons at the time, that it was easier to put it on its own structure than to try and integrate it with Dungeon gen?

Or we just thought it would be better to confine all opposite evil content to a singular location

[proven folio]

yeah... except the shrine chest isnt there

[hollow shell]

Indeed.

[dapper violet]

What's Revengence+

[crude geode]

Rev difficulty and higher

[golden tulip]

rev and death

[dapper violet]

Oh

[golden tulip]

because thats all there is

[dapper violet]

I'm dumb

[frail mantle]

a new difficulty ui is being added next update to replace the items

malice is also being executed next update

it's still in game

the normal progression is normal -> expert -> rev -> death, master is considered it's own thing that you can still use with the calamity difficulties but the mod isn't balanced around

[inner anvil]

Normal -> Expert/Master -> Revengeance -> Death.

[crude geode]

Master is currently just stat bloat in terraria

[inner anvil]

And it'll stay that way.

It hasn't, but it would never be accepted.

We will probably do like Small Worlds, where we'll tell the player that we don't recommend people playing in Master Mode.

Because to the surprise of nobody, the mode's boring.

And has no rewards (Exception: Vanilla relics will still drop in Master but that's because it's impossible to code so they drop in Revengeance, which is what we wanted).

[crude geode]

I mean the last part is only true cuz relics were moved lol

Byeah master is mega boring

[inner anvil]

Basically.

[proven folio]

huh shouldnt be that hard?

[swift wharf]

Make them drop in expert?

[proven folio]

instead adding to loot table which bugs something out just replace the loot table with everything in it?

[hollow shell]

It really shouldn't be hard, but the devs definitely encountered significant difficulty in doing so somehow

[frail mantle]

i think ozz mentioned that it was because they wanted to automize the process

so that any mod that adds relics would automatically drop them in rev+ as well as master

[swift wharf]

In the meantime, there's a mod that makes master items drop in any difficulty

[swift wharf]

Oh that's nice

[stuck cave]

the way it would make sense to me is making.. essentially "duplicates" of vanilla relics that drop from vanilla bosses in calamity, so technically they're calamity items, meaning they're free to manipulate

[hollow shell]

That would definitely increase the difficulty a great deal.

[stuck cave]

idk how altering vanilla stuff goes though. no idea how this game works on a fundamental level

[frail mantle]

it's also possible to just manually add the relics and shit to the rev+ loot pools or iirc enabling master for, like, one tick when a boss dies (which i believe is something similar to what overhaul does)

[inner anvil]

It was able to be coded, and multiple devs from other mods tried doing it for their own difficulties, but when tried, tMod would crash/not load.

[stuck cave]

oh damn

[swift wharf]

bruh

[proven folio]

bloat huh?

[sleek turret]

I mean

[crude geode]

Nobody is calling that slider it’s own difficulty mode

[swift wharf]

that is also bloat

[frail mantle]

to quote ozz, "Fargo's tried to make the relics drop in master mode OR emode, and the result was that the entire C# runtime crashes instantly when you try to IL edit the master mode drops"

[swift wharf]

(who uses that)

[sleek turret]

If you like to add more hp to a boss sure go ahead

[swift wharf]

bruh

[safe oasis]

i do (multiplayer exclusively)

[stuck cave]

i mean that's what master does. just more hp, more damage, and some cute pets

[sleek turret]

28k hp KS

[stuck cave]

no ai changes
nothing fun

[swift wharf]

btw nice amity pfp

[stuck cave]

thanks you should check out the artist their stuff is great

[proven folio]

actually you gave me an idea...

if using rev+ just set the world the master mode

[swift wharf]

mmmyes another one to my collection

[proven folio]

minus the stuff master mode would do

[inner anvil]

So...

Expert Revengeance?

[stuck cave]

expert revengeance but master but expert revengeance

[swift wharf]

wait I already follow them lmao

rev disables master changes

[proven folio]

basically the game thinks this world is played on master

but the map is still saved as expert

[inner anvil]

And what benefit would that bring us?

[proven folio]

<_<

drops duh

[inner anvil]

What drops?

[proven folio]

no need to fiddle with loots if the game thinks you are on master anyway

[inner anvil]

What loots?! Master Mode doesn't add content!

[frail mantle]

relics

[inner anvil]

Those are in Rev+ already without Master Mode! Bruh!

[swift wharf]

The logical answer would be wait until tmod fixes it maybe

[inner anvil]

Yes.

[frail mantle]

calamity ones are

[stuck cave]

wait so lemme get this straight
revengeance, death, or malice activated in an expert world would essentially activate master mode but negate the master mode changes. but setting a world to master mode on world gen and activating any mode (or not) would just be normal master/master rev+
right?

[stuck cave]

not vanilla relics, or pets

[proven folio]

vanilla and non calamity ones? not so much

[frail mantle]

vanilla ones aren't because of the previously mentioned game shittening itself-ery

[stuck cave]

man i want pets

[inner anvil]

Vanilla Relics because bruh moment, Pets will be eventually I think in Rev+.

[stuck cave]

yes i'm aware, i've been in the conversation longer than my last 3 messages

[proven folio]

@frail mantle what do you think? would that be possible?

[inner anvil]

Lmao no.

[proven folio]

enabling rev+ will set the difficulty to master virtually/in name only?

[inner anvil]

And if it is, it's probably not worth our time for just decorative items.

[stuck cave]

this idea, what this conversation has been about for the last 5 minutes, is just a potential solution to the issues that currently prevent the devs from implementing that stuff directly

[proven folio]

you arent exactly contributing to the discussion

[stuck cave]

me?

[proven folio]

no

[stuck cave]

but yea the devs had only tried directly moving/editing relics right? not weird difficulty fuckery?

[frail mantle]

i'm no coder but that might be a bit too much of a roundabout way for what they're trying to do

[proven folio]

idk

[stuck cave]

assuming it would even work

[proven folio]

but it would save the hassle of also considering non calamity drops on master

[stuck cave]

but idk it seems reasonable enough if working through tmod's bullshit isn't easy

[proven folio]

rev+ is a funny think i think

if 2 players play on different difficulties they only spawn that difficulty's boss

idk would be nice if rev+ setting would be saved in the world save itself rather than on the player

[swift wharf]

wait it's based on the player?

[proven folio]

so it would affect everyone, rather than only those who use it on a server

i think?

[inner anvil]

No, it's based on the world.

[swift wharf]

I'm pretty su-

yeah

[proven folio]

have a death player and just expert playing together

pretty sure they summon different boss ais

[inner anvil]

🤨

[swift wharf]

so

[inner anvil]

You should probably report that bug then.

[swift wharf]

one has rippers and the other doesn't?

[hollow shell]

It is based on world, not by player

[proven folio]

i mean i felt i summoned a king slime before and didnt have death mode on

[hollow shell]

If you're seeing differences per-player in MP then that's a syncing issue and you should report it as a bug (after confirming it occurs when playing Calamity only)

[proven folio]

KS felt pretty weak

and not as huge?

[inner anvil]

Also, what do you mean Death player and Expert player? Characters can only be Journey, Classic, Mediumcore and Hardcore.

[proven folio]

i think i set myself as rev only

none of the char settings

[proven folio]

idk how to confirm that alone

when comparing expert/rev/death summons online 🤔

[rocky saddle]

Is it possible to add new swords to the animation of Zenith 🤔?

[proud quest]

will the yamato ever be added

i feel like its inevitable

[fossil bronze]

what's the yamato

[swift wharf]

what the fuck is an Yamato

[crude geode]

pretty sure devs don’t want to

[proud quest]

devil may cry sword

[proud quest]

rlly?

[fossil bronze]

reference

[swift wharf]

[crude geode]

So true

[crude geode]

Was in reference to this

[proud quest]

there are like tons of requests for it thats why im asking

[crude geode]

References from the community really aren’t valid

[proud quest]

what pin is it

[crude geode]

The Google doc one

[proud quest]

what page is it i cant see it

[hollow shell]

Yes you can't suggest that a new thing get added purely for the sake of it being a reference

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OA3GxJ4w4QA4pCkngwt8kqW8Qq18U5KOCUJEucUS8ck/edit?usp=sharing

[proud quest]

not suggestion just asking if they were

[proven folio]

only with cal mod or are a bunch of other mods together fine?

[hollow shell]

Why did you ask in this channel then

[proud quest]

because many people suggested it and i thought MAYBE devs might have considered

im guessing its only because they want to tho

[hollow shell]

I have not seen a single suggestion for the Yamato in the game
Probably because you're not allowed to make suggestions like that

[proud quest]

ok

[proven folio]

i too want the yamato battleship in the game~

[proud quest]

battleship?

[dire mural]

alrighty

got a topic

[hollow shell]

Okay this is actually a problem with you

[dire mural]

i am wanting to post a suggestion that is a serious case of rebalancing the exo mechs

[hollow shell]

Please do not bring up the yamato again, 3nel.

[dire mural]

as it stands the exo mechs are a piece of cake

except for artemis

artemis is so hilariously stupid and lethal by itself it makes the entire boss fight egregiously infuriating, to the point it forces the only way to paly as a diagonal left to right up and down movement which is really boring after multiple attempts

just nerfing artemis would make exo mechs an utter piece of cake, so i think it makes sense if artemis is nerfed hard and the other mechs get buffed a good amount to compensate

[proud quest]

lol

[proven folio]

rover?

[dire mural]

cause thanatos ares and apollo are beyond easy without Artemis

[proven folio]

wasnt malice defiled before?

[crude geode]

No

[fossil bronze]

malice has nothing to do with defiled

[inner anvil]

Defiled was the "No Wings allowed" mode.

[proven folio]

or rev defiled death?

[proud quest]

4 of those arent even in the suggestions thing

chill

[crude geode]

Defiled was a dumb modifier that got moved to the no-hit mod alongside Armageddon

[dire mural]

@small timber suince youre one of the people whose discused a lot of things with me. Whats your thoughts on me making a suggestion post to take a serious look at rebalancing the exo mechs.

As it stands artemis is the only threat of the mechs, the others are laughably easy comparatively. It forces a boring movement method, among other issues

[hollow shell]

Not what I expected to hear at all. Usually we hear complaints about Exo Mechs being too much of a messy clusterfuck

[dire mural]

artemis is the main cause of that

artemis is the main cause of the clusterfuck feeling AND the only exo mech that is actually lethal comparatively

[fossil finch]

i will KILL anyone who say exo mechs force any way of movement

they literally do not anymore

[proud quest]

they got nerfed tho

[fossil bronze]

can you still troll them with funny running away

[fossil finch]

i could perfectly move almost everywhere (but up ((sometimes)) because ares exists) when i fought them

what they do not do is make running away a bad thing yeah

you can still troll them by running way

[dire mural]

the only way to fight the mechs is by moving up down and diagonally left to right due to Artemis vomit, ares and thanatos and apollo are complete pieces of cake in dodging their stuff without Artemis

[fossil finch]

that is not true

i will now record myself dodging exos in another 49 different ways

(i cannot actually

[dire mural]

lmao

[fossil finch]

as in i cannot record myself

[dire mural]

look man ofc there is some skill gap im sure youre super duper good

[fossil finch]

im not super duper good the point is

[dire mural]

there is still a massive severity difference

between the 4 mechs

[fossil finch]

they don't force you to move this super specific way at all like you're implying

[dire mural]

only one is truly an issue

ares apollo and thanatos are only dangerous in their final attack, and even then theyre nowhere near as consistently lethal as Art

[burnt condor]

I had a lot of trouble with thanatos, personally
(not like balancing trouble but this fight’s Hard trouble lol)

[dire mural]

a lot of the complaints about too much clutter is also mostly due to art

from what i gather

[proven folio]

remembers iron heart

[fossil finch]

this is when i drop the actual bomb and its that i play at 20fps frameskip off because my pc sucks so i have like thrice the reaction time people with good pcs do BUT my point still stands

[dire mural]

LMAO

[frosty trellis]

Say that to the person who fought Exos In an SCal Arena (With post SCal gear, but besides the point)

[dire mural]

when having a shit pc is a good thing