suggestions-discussion

[fossil mural]

Anyway loadout balancing aside, it'll be super nice to have more buff slots

I won't have to use Fargo's Mutant for extra slots or worry about using too many potions

And pets light pets and summons taking slots won't be an issue either

[dense ferry]

I think they just needed to make so summons, pets and similars wouldn't count as buffs

And make a separate bar for debuffs

[fossil mural]

Meh a buff slot increase is nice anyway

Makes it so you don't have to worry about over buffing and losing buffs or whatever+ gives more room for debuffs

[dense ferry]

That would make porting kinda ass, but I think you would be better, you still have like, what

20 buff slots?

[hollow shell]

22 currently

[fossil mural]

I could see having more than 22 buffs maybe causing some balance concerns though

But idk if that's actually a concern or not

[dense ferry]

Yeah, that's more than enough to shove as many buffs you can up your ass

[hollow shell]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/625025189784322069/741016590111473694/spin22.gif

[fossil mural]

You can eat up 22 surprisingly fast currently. Campfire + heart lanterns+ 4 princess candles + star in a bottle + crystal ball buff is already a quarter of it

Then boss Zen eats up a slot

And then potion cooldown + boss associated debuff

And then summons pets etc

[dense ferry]

Look, having a buff limit is also a balance tool, because if you could have every single buff that would be really

Really

Broken

[hollow shell]

Fortunately we reduced the count recently with the new cooldown rack

[fossil mural]

I do get 22 being a balance point though

[hollow shell]

Didn't fully migrate Potion Sickness and Chaos State to it for compatibility reasons, but all other Calamity cooldowns ain't debuffs anymore

[dense ferry]

Basically, if those 22 buffs were, infact, completely left to buffs, it would be fine

[small timber]

what if instead give the set bonus a CD after they just got hotswapped, and set bonus are instantly disabled if you swapped it out

[fossil mural]

Yeah 22 actual non-summoner non-pet buffs would usually be more than enough

[dense ferry]

And non debuffs too

[small timber]

I think if they give hotswap a (big) CD by itself it can help with DPS and tank hotswap too, since you are stucked with one for awhile if you do it

so it function more like a class change instead of "instantaneous tank setup"

[dense ferry]

As I said, making so debuffs take different slots (and Boss Zen going there), and pets, summons, mounts and etc just don't count for those things, those 22 slots would be epic

[small timber]

for the buff slot I always feel just limit potion (or if want to be even more strict, maybe station buff like campfire, heart lantern included) buffs to like 22 or a number lower than that; people are not using 22 potions right now anyway

[fossil mural]

Either way unless modders can disable it, more than 22 slots will be something that will have to be considered probably for balance

Atm if you get more than 22 buffs it's because you want to do so and are using another mod to do so, so it's not any one mods concern what you do at that point

Will be interesting to see when that time actually comes around since it's still a ways away if I had to wager

[small timber]

(and think this one is last time I checked how many relevant additional buff you can get with uncapped buff slot)

[fossil mural]

That's interesting to look at it like that

You don't get that much bonus power from so many extra effects over the limit

[small timber]

it is just a lot of those are available start of the game, notably the arena buffs

so you can get a majority of those bonus even at the first boss you encounter
(and the most notable one is of course effigy buffs)

(the last line is about what you can get)

[small timber]

@dreamy burrow I think it is not happening #suggestions-voting message

they want to keep analev's summon method unique I guess, so they probably will not add a manual/summon item method

[dreamy burrow]

oof

Granted that suggestion was like

negative in persuasion lmao

I'll keep mine up at least, no harm in it

[small timber]

but ya, I do think it is more likely that dev are against the idea of analev summon item itself

no harm in trying I guess

[gaunt tiger]

the last one like that got clamped I think

but yeah the hills the devs choose to die on are wild lol

[small timber]

I do think it is not that bad tbh, they spawn pretty quickly with zerg and at post-plantera normal ocean enemies are not really a threat

[gaunt tiger]

well it's just like
why tho?
why not just give the QOL

[dreamy burrow]

yeah, I think it's weird

especially given the three other bosses to my knowledge that require breaking/killing things to summon

Perf, hive and plantera

one of which is vanilla, they specifically added an item for it

it just seems like AnL is excluded for the sake of being excluded

[gaunt tiger]

the devs will die on some weird hills

c'est la vie

[swift wharf]

boss summon items are lame

[dreamy burrow]

arbitrarily making the player spend time doing nothing but waiting for a thing to spawn is also lame

Sure, if it's a rare enemy who's selling point is being rare, that's fine

[swift wharf]

nono

[dreamy burrow]

but if it's literally a whole boss

[swift wharf]

you see

cal's newest bosses have unique spawn methods

well not newest

scal requires an altar

emechs require the pc

people suggested a manual summon for Levi and it got denied

[frail mantle]

Instead of an item to summon the duo (boring) maybe something like a furniture that increases the ??? spawn rate (more interesting and unique)

[swift wharf]

why don't people suggest another unique way to summon them

[dreamy burrow]

I don't really have any complaints about boss summoning that stands out, my complaint is about boss summons that needlessly require waiting

[swift wharf]

EXACTLY

[dreamy burrow]

idk about a furniture to increase spawn rate, I think a better solution would be a way to force spawn, maybe something similar to the dukes or even empress of light

I'd be down for a unique spawning critter, maybe a baby leviathan you kill

[frail mantle]

The furniture could do that as well

[dreamy burrow]

that you can capture and re-release to spawn later

the same as empress of light

[swift wharf]

just please no more suspicious looking lure

or smth

[frail mantle]

I think for your suggestion it’d be better to generalize it to suggesting some unspecified way to force the ??? to spawn rather than specifically an item

That’ll probably make it more likely to be accepted considering a summoning item for the duo has been rejected before

[dreamy burrow]

I've added a final paragraph, just thinking on how I could alter the title to reflect that better

there we go

"more predictable summon condition"

[swift wharf]

"Add an alternative way of summoning Levi and Anahita"

oh that works

[dreamy burrow]

aye, I'd even say that the whole "baby leviathan" suggestion would be really awesome, the Empress of Light is probably one of my favourite bosses, spawning method included

[eternal escarp]

because if youre given the boss summon as an item the entire point of the unique summon is gone

this is also why you get HvM / Perf summon after the boss

the critter idea is kindof just the exact same as the current summon but you can bug net the entity

[dreamy burrow]

Aye, the last thing I want is to have every boss just be "click to spawn", I agree it's pretty lame. I think the issue for me is that when I say "summon item", in my mind that includes things like taking the power cell to the golem's altar, prismatic lacewings, fishing up the duke with special bait, etc.

but I guess most people think "summon item" just means the suspicious looking eye, worm food, slime crown or mechanical worm

[gaunt tiger]

it doesn't have to be "interesting". if you've killed the boss already and want to farm it, why do you have to drink a zerg potion and wait mindlessly

[frail mantle]

It doesn’t have to be but it could be

[eternal escarp]

the game doesnt have to have side content, why do i need to explore a biome to gain a weapon

[dreamy burrow]

IIRC the perforator and hive mind's summon items actually require their own dropped materials

[eternal escarp]

sometimes things can be interesting simply to be interesting

[eternal escarp]

they do

[dreamy burrow]

oh yea missed that lol

[eternal escarp]

technically all but the mech bosses have unique spawns, vanilla is good in that regards

byea

actually EoC doesnt have a very unique spawn aswell

[gaunt tiger]

unique is overrated

[eternal escarp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dreamy burrow]

IMO the empress of light is a perfect example of having an interesting spawn condition, whilst still being a boss that you can reliably farm

[gaunt tiger]

sometimes, there's a reason for cliches being a cliche

[eternal escarp]

i prefer being slightly inconvenienced for 2 seconds to wait for ??? instead of yet another boring "craft summon, click summon"

like come on it has a 8x spawn rate after Plantera iirc

[gaunt tiger]

you get 2 second spawns how

am I just getting screwed with incredibly mangled oceans

[dreamy burrow]

yea I don't like the "craft & click" summon items too much

[eternal escarp]

i just sit at the top of the ocean

sometimes battle potions / candle
and wait for like, max of 10 seconds

[swift wharf]

walking back and forth also helps

[dreamy burrow]

I spend like 2 minutes at a time

[eternal escarp]

if the game didnt shake it up it would be super boring

[gaunt tiger]

what

[dreamy burrow]

unfortunate downside of RNG is that it's entirely random

[cobalt pewter]

this is how it works? If I'm aware projectiles already in the air won't just change their damage and type

[eternal escarp]

tbf auto pause always existed

[dreamy burrow]

^

[eternal escarp]

this is just cutting the autopause techniques by, 1 less button click

and autopause is not an issue to care for imo

[cobalt pewter]

yeah, I don't see why cal needs to cripple this when autopause exists

"but multi-"

no.

[dreamy burrow]

I'm excited to see what kind of builds it'll encourage

[eternal escarp]

i wont care for using 3 different combat builds to super minmax

even if its seemingly on hotkey

[dreamy burrow]

I can imagine using 2 for combat and 1 for utility

[eternal escarp]

ill just get combat + mine / build

[dreamy burrow]

I'd probably end up with

• Combat
• Healing
• Build/Fishing

[crude geode]

What a….unique take.

[gaunt tiger]

thanks cursed, always love it when you add to the discussion here

[eternal escarp]

Plantera marked as dead, no battle or candle

the thing i did notice is that the warcry doesnt play when ??? spawns

which is prolly a bug

[crude geode]

A better way of disproving this sugg is figuring out, on average, how long it would take to spawn ??? with only plantera dead

[eternal escarp]

im not a math person

[crude geode]

You do realize I’m not the only person to do this right.

Like. many people do this type of trolling in this chat it’s pretty common

[crude geode]

Fair

[gaunt tiger]

yes, and I call them on it too. let's move on though, okay?

[crude geode]

I would crunch the numbers but I don’t know the exact odds of “???” spawning each second

[dreamy burrow]

I'd show a recording but I can't record my screen
I've been sitting for about four minutes, occasionally moving left and right

no spawn yet

[eternal escarp]

oh it wasnt 8x i was wrong

[crude geode]

Damn

Clearly the solution is to pump those numbers up

[eternal escarp]

and i did not know pillars disrupted her spawn but yeah

[crude geode]

Kind of a weird stipulation

Ig somehow if your world was that out of wack it could happen though

[burnt condor]

I do think this is the "give anahita & leviathan alt summon method" I most agree with of what I've seen! I really like weirder summon methods they're fun and I like it when terraria isn't just a checklist of bosses even when it's a little clunky, and while this isn't a problem I personally had (I ran into so many ??? while grinding shark fins lol) I do get why an alt summon method would be requested so often esp with them having community

[dreamy burrow]

ok so like

[gaunt tiger]

my ocean in my last world had about half of it be jungle for some
reason

[dreamy burrow]

from starting to sit on the ocean waiting for the spawn

took ~7 mins

[crude geode]

With or without spawn boosts

[dreamy burrow]

without

also post plantera

[crude geode]

At this point removing community from levi would honestly like. half the amount of these types of suggs for Levi tbh tbh

[eternal escarp]

you can stack water candle, chaos, zerg and battle if youre really desperate

[crude geode]

Indeed

Speaking of community when is shattered community getting a downside

did I hallucinate that sugg

No it was just never meant to my b

[frail mantle]

I don’t know if it is at all considering it’s not a conventional exhumed item

[crude geode]

Yeah I forgot the details regarding it

[eternal escarp]

it wont get one iirc

it is just exhumed because it fits what it is

[crude geode]

This message in particular

Byeah

Shoutouts to everyone’s favorite clickbait sugg title I found while looking through suggs

[cedar glacier]

sad

[drowsy plank]

...why did you post that in this chat specifically...?

[fast knoll]

Can someone check the fractured ark? I can beat wall of flesh with it on pre-hardmode gear and no potions in 5 seconds

Probably should reduce its damage against WoF or something

[small timber]

fractured ark is known to be pretty strong, but not 5 seconds

30 seconds probably, 5 seconds do not seem right, especially with no potion

[fast knoll]

well i did somehow do it in at least less than 10 seconds

i could try to get a video posted here

[dreamy burrow]

what difficulty?

[fast knoll]

brb

revengance

[fast knoll]

ok i tested it again

5 seconds was an overexageration

but i still did it in at least under 15 seconds

gonna send a video

[swift wharf]

ayo what the fuck

[dreamy burrow]

Ahh right

[small timber]

ya that is extremely fast, but ya it is kinda expected with how overpowered the weapon is

[dreamy burrow]

Usually his eyes/mouth are a bit more spaced out, so it's pretty hard to cleave them

you're basically doing 50% bonus damage, since you can usually cleave two at once as opposed to all 3

[small timber]

the only thing I wanted to make sure about was pretty much if it was 5 seconds or ~15 seconds without potion

[fast knoll]

yeah no i went a bit too far

[small timber]

@fresh flume suggestion for future content (basically content that are not yet in the game) is disallowed for suggestion

it is best to leave the idea when said content get introduced into the mod

[drowsy plank]

truly one of the swords ever

also me when just make enchants into minecraft enchants

[fresh flume]

i am kinda saying add reforge now so we have more build variety if there was ever post scal stuff

[hollow shell]

It's in the rules to only suggest about the current state of the mod, don't make assumptions about what is in future versions coming out years from now

[fossil finch]

Also enchantments are not exactly build variety because it's just slapping something into the already existing builds

[hollow shell]

@fresh flume Have you actually played the Boss Rush all the way through? Like, beaten it?

[fresh flume]

ive beaten it once, i just returned to calamity with the release of new tmodloader, why you asking?

[hollow shell]

Okay, from the wording of your suggestion it seemed like you never tried

[inner anvil]

Fab already had planned for Boss Rush not to be a boss melter and another thing which I shouldn't mention.

[hollow shell]

Yeah this is like
To compare it to Hollow Knight's Pantheons

Right now we have Pantheon of Hallownest only
And you're suggesting to add the four previous Pantheons while also keeping Pantheon of Hallownest

(though with stat scaling it's also comparable to Grey Prince Zote...)

Not an inherently bad thing I guess it's just
That's a lot of
repetition

And you're fighting bosses you've still already fought before

[fresh flume]

i kinda also see where you are going, to make it shorter and not boring i said maybe we could get less bosses in 1 rounds and the number of bosses goes up for 2, 3,... rounds.

so you have like 5 bosses in round 1, 11, 21, 31 but harder and youd have more bosses for 2, 12, 22, 32 and max bosses for 10, 20, 30 etc. if you played division 2 thats basically the mechanic in "The Summit" gamemode

[hollow shell]

I am unfamiliar with Division 2 but I've seen mechanics similar to this elsewhere yes

[small timber]

the thing is cal boss rush is not inherently for repetition, it to certain degree is basically a lookback to all the progress you had done after you beaten the game

making it extremely repetitive by infinitely scaling their stat kinda defeat that purpose

[hollow shell]

It would also kinda remove a definitive endpoint from the mod
Instead of a satisfying conclusion, at some point you would just have to "give up"

But, that's subjective I suppose

[small timber]

ya it will just like, feel extremely bad

and also (while future content), kinda go against the point that boss rush gain you access to xeroc

[hollow shell]

That is indeed years away

[unborn oriole]

We do a considerate amount of trolling

[safe oasis]

LITERALLy hollow knight pantheons

[inner anvil]

Hollow Knight. 😒

[swift wharf]

more boss content

[fossil mural]

Hollow knight good but

Calamity is not hollow knight

No need to copy it

[dreamy burrow]

wot
did you read why hollow knight was actually brought up? 👀

[small timber]

@idle plank it spawning pre-HM is intentional, probably for lore reason (?) and also to give option for people if they are willing to do leviathan preHM (same case as Aquatic Scourge)

as of why sirenproof earmuff is post-Plantera, it is because ??? spawnrate get multiplied after plantera is defeated, but before that it should be pretty tame

in general as long as you dont get close to ??? I dont think you can even damage it

[hollow shell]

It's funny that we're getting both suggestions for "Help I can't get ??? to spawn, please add a reliable method" and "Help, ??? is spawning too much and I want to be able to disable it earlier"

Such is the nature of RNG I guess

[idle plank]

I need to farm for the jellyfish necklace and constant ??? spawning with zerg and battle potions (while wearing clorophyte armor) is really annoying

[dreamy burrow]

I think making her summon more like EoL's would fix that issue, personally 👀
#ShamelessPlug

[idle plank]

killed like 300 pink squids now and still don't have it

[idle plank]

also that complaint was made by me before I remembered the existence of zerg potions

might had other people complain about it aswell tho idk

with zerg potions its really quick to get her to spawn

[dreamy burrow]

I made a suggestion about changing/adding a more reliable way to summon her fight lol

[idle plank]

ah another lol

yeah I guess its still more convenient than using zerg/battle potions

[hollow shell]

(Technically it.. already is. It's a randomly spawning harmless enemy that you need to kill)

(But yeah it lacks the ability to capture ???)

[dreamy burrow]

aye, namely the ability to capture and release to fight on better demand

[idle plank]

capture a mini-version of anahita sounds amazing lol

[dreamy burrow]

In my suggestion it was a baby leviathan

Y'know, she'd probably be pretty angry if you killed one

[idle plank]

hmm

also before I make a suggestion to make boss difficulty more linear is non-linear boss difficulty intentional?

for example the twins are around the same stage of the game as Aquatic Scourge and yet AS is waaaaayyyy easier

Cryogen even feels way harder than AS

[hollow shell]

That just, happens, sometimes
Golem is another example that got brought up recently

You can suggest that AS get buffed if you wish.

[dreamy burrow]

I don't think AS needs buffs personally, I had a tough time on my master run a few days ago around the intended progression level lol

[idle plank]

hmm on one hand it helps balance, on the other hand I dont want to suffer even more next time I play Master, Malice mode ,._.,

[dreamy burrow]

I do think AS is way easier than Twins, Twins are tough as heck

[idle plank]

I first try no hit Master Malice Mode AS lol

[dreamy burrow]

but AS isn't much of a cakewalk lol

[idle plank]

and dont get me wrong im not an insane god at the game, I usually struggle for an entire day on a boss like the twins

or the destroyer

or cryogen

still have partial trauma from those

Maybe I just got lucky idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dreamy burrow]

possibly, idk
I'm way past that fight now, so I can't really go back and check how tough it was.
I'll get another chance when I try a ranger run through instead of a summer one tho lol

[fossil mural]

one weird thing is with the early hardmode ore rework, the mech alts feel like theyre in a weird spot

like im not quite sure where to place them in the pre-mechs/post 1 mech/ post 2 mech scaling world

things like cryogen are easy to do pre mech, but you cant mine cryonic ore until post 2 mechs

and in many cases the mech alt gear is more than enough to do all 3 mechs and remaining mech alts

like you can easily do all 5 remaining bosses with just cold divinity or seas searing

[fossil finch]

Boss checklist still values them by the idea that cryo is one mech tier, as two and brimmy 3

[dreamy burrow]

I imagine it goes off the wiki's listed order(?)

[fossil finch]

Also good god the bossrush suggestion is a bad idea

The wiki goes by the boss checklist order

It's internally handled with values that describe where a boss should be in progression

Some bosses like mutant have comically high ones so they're always the last one

[fossil mural]

i think theres just not enough of a scaling difference between AS, Cryogen and brimstone to really make them seem like distinct tiers

they all feel reasonable enough to do pre mech

[dreamy burrow]

It might have just been my build, but they felt really distinctive in difficulty for me

I don't remember what order I fought them in, but I put my relics in order of when I beat them so lemme just check rq

[drowsy plank]

preMechs is such a funny tier i did AS preHM and then proceeded to take barinautical and corroded caustibow and boss rush everything up to plantera with just cobalt armor

[dreamy burrow]

yeah, my start of hardmode progreession was (I fought bosses as I was able to defeat them)

• Destroyer, Queen Slime, Twins, Skeletron Prime, AS, Cryo, Planterra, Sand Shark, Golem, CC, Cultist, Brimstone

I found mechs easier than those three lol

[small timber]

Is it malice?

[dreamy burrow]

this is my master diff run

[swift wharf]

it drops from other jellyfish and from statues

[idle plank]

malice cryogen is bullet hell

[small timber]

Master rev or master death?

[dreamy burrow]

just master 👀

[idle plank]

oh I thought you were doing master malice aswell

[dreamy burrow]

I don't actually know what those extra difficulties do

It's extra mechanics that my brain refuses to understand properly lol

[small timber]

Ya on rev and death things changes a lot, since the calamity modification differs significantly

[idle plank]

if you're not playing revengence mode then you are missing out on a ton of content

[drowsy plank]

true

[solemn dust]

Malice mode is more fun tbh

[small timber]

For example death destroyer is a nightmare compare to many other (mech tier) bosses

[swift wharf]

you only miss AI and rippers if you don't play rev

[dreamy burrow]

I'll get there eventually

[swift wharf]

not a lot to miss

[dreamy burrow]

for now just master for me

[idle plank]

Malice just adds pure difficulty

revengence adds extra content like expert in vanilla

[dreamy burrow]

aren't they taking that out?

[swift wharf]

malice is gone next update yeah

[small timber]

Rev is pretty much only AI and the adre and rage bar now

[idle plank]

is it death mode that makes destroyer so huge?

[small timber]

Yes

[idle plank]

ah

[swift wharf]

^

[safe oasis]

i thought that was what it always was

[swift wharf]

rev had other stuff

like counter scarf

[safe oasis]

true

[swift wharf]

you miss these items for not playing rev

so virtually nothing

[small timber]

Rev had rev exclusive drop, which used to lock things like core of blood god and amalgam; now even normal mode get expert drop

But ya regardless before going too off topic: difficulty can be very subjective, people can find bosses to be a joke or a serious obstacle

[swift wharf]

death has 2 exclusive items (pets) and malice has gael's greatsword

and if that weapon doesnt become an enraged scal drop ill be sad

[idle plank]

hmm

when did they change this

[inner anvil]

A while ago.

[idle plank]

huh

[swift wharf]

1.5 moved the majority of items to malice

1.5.1 removed them from malice

[drowsy plank]

and 2.1 will remove malice :)

[frail mantle]

uhm actually it's not 2.1, it's 2.0.0.004 ://////

[drowsy plank]

wtf

[hollow shell]

That looks like you're exaggerating but that's the actual value

I'd argue it could be a 2.0.1.001 though
The Wulfrum reworks are pretty pogge

And removing Malice is pretty big

[frail mantle]

yea it probably could

[idle plank]

is something new going to replace malice mode?

[frail mantle]

no

[idle plank]

sadge

[frail mantle]

but if you're craving the extra difficulty do infernum or something

[inner anvil]

One of the points for taking out Malice is so we don't have more difficulty modes.

[idle plank]

what's so bad about that

[frail mantle]

the fact that it detracts from the other modes

with malice gone more attention can be put on making death and rev as good as possible

[idle plank]

hmm okay makes sense

[gray nebula]

yeah we only have like

so many devs that can work at once

and with modes its mostly fabsol

if he gotta split his attention between 3 modes it slows down everthing

[hot zephyr]

death and malice were going to both be getting reworks

removing weather and adding new boss AI's was the start of death's changes

malice's would've taken effort away from death's for a mode that doesn't need to exist

[little sparrow]

why is zenith made with auric tesla

its not op

especially when you compare it with terraprisma, which can last you up to post polterghast

[frail mantle]

it was tested early during the porting process and found to fit perfectly in auric tier with no balance adjustments or other changes

[inner anvil]

When we tested Zenith, it did similar damage to Auric weapons, so boom, Auric weapon now.

[inner anvil]

That's because we didn't nerf Terraprisma yet.

[inner anvil]

Fuck, you were faster this time.

[frail mantle]

and if they don't have to deal with rebalancing a weapon because an easier option exists, they won't

[frail mantle]

retribution

[inner anvil]

I'll get my revenge.

[frail mantle]

you will

and i will take it back

[inner anvil]

An infinite loop...

[frail mantle]

[inner anvil]

I got the power of typing faster than Ctrl + C-ing a void server.

Or maybe I'll make my own void server.

[hollow shell]

I mean

Kinda runs counter to the idea of giving player options

Just having one universally best thing

[drowsy plank]

future content and multi-class and SiS

that's a 3-for-1

[swift wharf]

this suggestion should be considered a crime

[worldly wren]

so who killed the devourer of gods for a warrior, tell me how to kill

[swift wharf]

you are in the wrong channel

#help-advice-read-pins use this

[fossil finch]

No more final swords

We need a final COOL MAGIC WEAPON

Or a final SUMMON

Or no "final" shit because it's so stupid

[karmic stone]

Truearth

[subtle sapphire]

By combining every weapon in the game with a thousand nymph banner, you get to craft the ultimate final weapon : the butcher cheat

... almost would like it as a joke item but I feel like having every weapon be a material for no reason would be dumb

[rare heath]

'a thousand nymph banner'
grindset

[worthy lintel]

please not another sword...

[drowsy plank]

you craft the ultimate sword, throw it away, and start wacking people with the sheath

[crude geode]

Has the siren proof ear muff guy gotten told that “???” Spawning pre-hm is intentional bc progression breaking is fun

[unborn oriole]

Shhhh

Don't spoil the fun

[hollow shell]

@rocky saddle Probably want to reword your title so people don't think you're talking about invasions
Something like "world generation steps"

[unborn oriole]

Just cheat the items at that point

[crude geode]

This sugg is really weird

[rocky saddle]

I thought "event" would fit it more but nvm

[hollow shell]

Typically "event" is used to refer to things like Goblin Army or Pumpkin Moon or the Celestial Pillars

[rocky saddle]

After some programming stuff I started calling those things but I'll remember that.

[hollow shell]

Understandable

[fossil finch]

Pretty sure they're called tasks in the code

[rocky saddle]

The problem for me is that:

1. no fun
2. You don't have limits in mods like Cheat Sheet

[crude geode]

Haven’t we rejected suggs like this before for being essentially unreported bugs

[rocky saddle]

And the fact that you just opened cheat sheet and took a ton of something makes if boring

[unborn oriole]

Those debug items also have no limits

You just delete everything including walls, use it again, poof, infinite luminite

[hollow shell]

eh

[rocky saddle]

Lemme think of what to write

[hollow shell]

I can see why something to redo the worldgen would make people be more inclined to just use it once

[fossil finch]

"Fix a bug by introducing an item that fixes the problem indirectly instead of fixing the bug" are always weird af suggs

[crude geode]

Yeah fr

[rocky saddle]

Oh right

[fossil finch]

Uelibloom bug is already fixed next patch

Which comes in 5

(Days

[rocky saddle]

Still it can get buggy because of something in the future, and people will have to wait for new patch again

[fossil finch]

That's not a really good reason

[rocky saddle]

Not really but a possibility

[fossil finch]

The sole idea they're debug items imply you'd need a cheat tool anyways

And like

The limits point is moot because ?

What does it mean i don't even

And it being no fun is like the same
Using a debug tool to do some quick mining won't be much fun either

[hollow shell]

The difference is that you're skipping one step by cheating the items in directly, rather than cheating in something that generates those items into your world

You still gotta go out and get them

[fossil finch]

Yeah but post moonlord as is doesn't make that fun

It's just visit this caves flooded with enemies that die on contact and another 67 different ores and mine some pockets or this or fly a little

[crude geode]

Don’t blame the debug for that blame post ml?

[fossil mural]

well hopefully that aspect of post ml gets improved as calamity does the various biome updates they have planned

[fossil finch]

I'm not?

I'm just saying the 'its not fun' reason doesn't really apply because of that

[crude geode]

Aight

[hollow shell]

It doesn't need to just be for Post-ML tho

It would theoretically apply to literally anything that can generate

from Calamity

[fossil finch]

i mean yeah but it'd only be used if things are bugged so like

don't really get why going that way?

anyways i just think the points they gave as to why not just cheat sheet stuff in is this bug where to happen instead of adding this debug items that (presumably) need to be cheated in anyway are not strong enough to push adding this items

[soft quest]

Is this a good suggestion?

Give Aureate Booster and Hadarian wings a bonus effect

The addition of bonus effects to wings allows the player make creative choices between extra damage, regen, defense, movement speed, flight time and acceleration and more when deciding what wings to use in a loadout. Some of these effects work only when a full set of armor is equipped, enhancing the armor set's abilities further. However both the perennial themed wings and astral themed wings both do not have any effects when equipped. Considering these sets are explorer/movement based, I feel like these wings should aid the set in some way that compliments their armors. Perhaps Aureate booster could fire off mini seeking projectiles when worn with the reaver armor, as this set leaves you with less offensive power. And maybe astral wings could negate low gravity effects when wore with astral armor (astral itself isn't as offensively weak as reaver armor). Something small and simple like this goes a long way in influencing a player's choices throughout a playthrough, and it would also make these sets and set bonuses more viable.

[crude geode]

Seems fine

[unborn oriole]

i see a problem

[soft quest]

whats that

[unborn oriole]

Aureate had an effect removal, so it could interfere with the one rule

y'know

[frail mantle]

i don't think it would?

[soft quest]

well i think thats just because reaver has changed so much, so the old perenial wings weren't up to the standard now

[crude geode]

It’s probably dependent on judgement from mod

I think it could go either way, both decisions have some logic behind them

[soft quest]

imma send it in that case

[drowsy plank]

@idle plank in the meantime you should try nycro's nohit bc it has an option to despawn all projectiles on death

[hollow shell]

Ah, that's a third suggestion

[small timber]

@quick thorn suggestion for future content (basically content that are not yet added to the game) is disallowed, we have no idea what changes will vanilla give to these weapons yet

Should wait for 1.4.4 to drop before suggesting that

[quick thorn]

aight

deleted my suggestion

[small timber]

@idle plank if you are still here: it is only allowed for 1 people to do 2 suggestions per 24 hours (basically in #suggestions-posting at anytime there should be maximum 2 suggestions make by yours)

[hollow shell]

Yeah
The suggestion is fine, you just have to repost it once your previous suggestions have gone through into voting

[small timber]

(probably should exclaim the 3rd suggestion though since it look like it is not gonna get deleted)

[oak tapir]

(I haven't fought storm weaver in a couple months, so apologies if this has already been fixed)

[inner anvil]

Yes, this has been fixed I think, Storm Weaver had a rework a month ago or so.

[oak tapir]

Oh nice

I'll go fight it again tomorrow

[eternal escarp]

@frail mantle you should prolly remove this sugg as its completely innaccurate with new SW

[small timber]

@ashen warren Atlas's spawnrate get multiplied several times after Lunatic Cultist if Astrum Deus is not yet defeated, they will be abundant to the point that it might get annoying
if you mean titan heart armor, you need 3 for the entire armor set

and to my knowledge there is no other usage for the item

before Lunatic Cultist somewhat, after Lunatic Cultist they are very common

Atlas is a normal enemy

it is just this guy

but ya, there is really not much reason to make Titan Heart craftable, since they dont really have much use right now

[neat linden]

Also, no explanation to the suggestion provided at all

[idle plank]

oh alright thx for the info

[swift wharf]

@lofty walrus ping a tester for balance issues (check the pins)

[crude geode]

@inner anvil art attack balance

[swift wharf]

Memes has been marked for death

[small timber]

ya art attack from my rough testing was like, garbage

[crude geode]

Every other person was offline or Do Not Disturb

[small timber]

with great power comes great responsibility

[swift wharf]

Simply use a tracking shot from a highwayman

[eternal escarp]

im specifically always on DnD so

[crude geode]

Wack

[inner anvil]

I don't need to test it, it's bad.

It's just incredibly bad.

[swift wharf]

donor weapon moment

[inner anvil]

DPS of a Pre-Boss weapon Post-Cal.

(100 DPS).

[swift wharf]

viable

[inner anvil]

But I'll test it anyways...

After I'm done with this RoR2 run.

And other personal stuff.

[crude geode]

Lol

[fossil finch]

Based suggestion

Increase the speed of the draw projectile and damage

Iirc

[small timber]

they will add them later yes

[whole tundra]

Oh

[small timber]

(abyss pylon will imply having npc living in abyss though, and lore-wise abyss is suposed to be completely inhabitable/inaccessible to seal Terminus so I dont think abyss pylon make much sense)

sunken sea and brimstone crag can be some case (calamitas, amidias npc etc), astral infection may interest robot/scientifc people as it is a virus from outer space; sulph sea I dont see though

conclusion: just use teleporters

[gray nebula]

npcs can live in the astral infection ingame tho

so might as well

[drowsy plank]

amidias prolly wouldnt mind sunken sea because he feels bittersweet about the ocean, but still likes living there, so id imagine it'd be a similar scenario

[gray nebula]

making amidias live in the desert

for trolling

[drowsy plank]

he just shrivels up and dies

[crude geode]

He shrivels up and becomes Desert Amidias

[swift frigate]

Abyss pylon is also questionable

[hollow shell]

@ashen warren It looks the way it does intentionally. Have you seen Blushie's Elemental Unleash mod? It contains many things that are of a similar style

[ashen warren]

Yes ik. It just looks like it's lagging and low quality

Just suggesting to add some slickness if yk what i mean

[worn salmon]

i think its fine the way it is

[crude geode]

I don’t think that this is gonna go over very well

[drowsy plank]

lmao get flagged

didnt even really explain ways to improve the visuals

[cobalt pewter]

watch as I make an infinitely better Staff of Blushie sugg

anyways

you might wanna word your sugg properly

[gray nebula]

me when it looks really shitty intentionally

it's OK its probably a weapon barely anyone uses so like lol

[crude geode]

It’s definitely a relic of it’s time

[haughty remnant]

i like it

[inner anvil]

Does GSS stand for Great Sand Shark?

Then no.

We're making him better.

At some point.

Listen, we'll deal with it.

Eventually.

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren feel like you should mention you can buy it from wizard

yeye dw

would be cool for other magic weapons to actually get a chance to be used it something

[hollow shell]

I'm not sure what the overarching reasoning is for this suggestion?

Is it just, crafting variety?

[drowsy plank]

shifting sands, night's/carnage ray, dance of light, infernal rift (into UL into Vivid)... that's not actually that many tbh lmao

3 of them are post-hardmode where you can just... buy the weapon anyway

[fossil mural]

Wait

You can buy magic missile???

I did dungeon fishing for no reason?

Bruh

[drowsy plank]

• DoL is donor so like, the only weapon i could really see changing is Shifting Sands and flamelash... does not make sense in that weapon

[drowsy plank]

yeah from wizard lmao

[hollow shell]

(Dance of Light is dev, not donor)

(Similar.)

[fossil mural]

I fished from the dungeon for crates to craft into missile lmao

[drowsy plank]

oh okay, but that means you could suggest a change to it more easily tho, right?

[hollow shell]

The dedicatee is still active in the community so I could get their permission if need be

[drowsy plank]

night's ray change seems silly considering that literally goes against the entire reason it was made (night's edge variant for mages) but i suppose you could literally just remove MM from Shifting Sands lmao

it really doesnt need it

hmmm... maybe if you changed the sprite and gave it a fire debuff, it could be explain by being like... the desert sun or something?? like yeah i could see it then

rn tho it literally just looks like MM tho so that'd be weird

[small timber]

@zenith mural just like, suggest the solar dash to work with asgard's valor and statis ninja belt instead?

[hollow shell]

Yes I feel like that is the most obvious and less destructive solution

[zenith mural]

Sure

Or like

The accessories dash takes priority

[small timber]

maybe, depends on how you want to word the suggestion

[zenith mural]

Or even just upgrade the solar flare dash

[small timber]

upgrade probably will have weird interaction/bug I feel, probably just keep to the priority part I think

[zenith mural]

Yeah

Alright

[swift wharf]

is it possible to disable acc dashes without disabling the solar dash?

[grim tusk]

@echo spoke pretty sure its impossible due to how goblin’s reforge function works as it clears all data from the item to apply the new reforge

Otherwise you’d get 1.0 reforges where they stacked up infinetely

[subtle sapphire]

couldn't we make the weapons have 100% charge by default ? That way the "new" weapon created by the gob will be 100%

[grim tusk]

Goblin clears data and the default of these items is 0 and also it would not make sense that goblin charges your item

[subtle sapphire]

I mean, he's a tinkerer

He shuold be able to put a battery on your shit

for the money I give him he could at least take a AAA battery at the mart fr

[echo spoke]

or we can get a npc that instantly charges draedon items for cells or money

[subtle sapphire]

npc bloat

[glossy jolt]

i think it would be really cool if it was added to the lore that the archmage is daedalus, if you think about it maybe daedalus could have absorbed the explosion set off by his machine and gained arcane abilities from it. he could have a line saying something like "i spent most of my life trying to become immortal, in the end i gave it all up for one act of kindness and by some miracle the gods had given me a chance to have it both ways, as archmages can't die of old age"

[drowsy plank]

@unborn zodiac this is already planned and i think it might even be implemented already into the next update

[unborn zodiac]

oh ok nice

[gray nebula]

no its not question mark

(not implemented, it is planned

[drowsy plank]

well that's why i said might

im like 90% sure this exact sugg has already passed twice or something too lmao

[hollow shell]

Yeah we do have plans

They are written down

Just needs doin

[gray nebula]

@orchid cairn that was the original plan for soaring insigna i think (?) but we decided agaisnt it because we don't want to have too much stuff thats like "does X... but not if a boss is alive" because thats a bit cringe

[orchid cairn]

damn

[gray nebula]

thats also why next update were removing bosses preventing you from using recall and teleporters

[orchid cairn]

should i edit the post to just be the late-game upgrade to it then?

[gray nebula]

turning the game into a binary where theres "in a boss fight" and "everything else" is a bit crungo

i think maybe yeah

[orchid cairn]

edited the post

[swift wharf]

is infinite flight even needed

[orchid cairn]

depends on what you mean by "needed"

its a very fun thing to have

being able to fly from hell all the way up to space is FUN

is it like, necessary to beat the game? no

but its cool

this mod existing is probably proof enough that people like having infinite flight

[hollow shell]

Of course
They've been spoiled by vanilla

[orchid cairn]

:p

[hollow shell]

We used to have infinite flight in the mod (or technically it was like 15 minutes of flight), the Yharon lore item

The thing is it also came with a heavy stat nerf, -25% to something, probably damage

[frail mantle]

damage yeah

[hollow shell]

Wouldn't be out of character for SCal to give you an item very similar to that

Maybe even exhuming Soaring Insignia

[orchid cairn]

that would be sick

[frail mantle]

infinite flight but you're constantly followed by a hostile mini brimstone orb

[orchid cairn]

it damages you the longer you stay in flight but you can technically fly forever if you have enough health

[frail mantle]

"Here, this will grant you unprecedented aerial prowess. You'll need it."

[hollow shell]

Badeline / Cosmic Clone Marios my beloved

[frail mantle]

that also works

[swift wharf]

I mean if there's a gimmick, sure

but like

you beat the game have this bye

is boring

[orchid cairn]

if you beat SCal before exo mechs

or when they eventually add yharim

or boss rush

[swift wharf]

infinite flight before emechs would be kinda busted

[hollow shell]

That's why we give it a downside

[swift wharf]

ye

[fossil finch]

Infiflight with clone downside would be so funny

[swift wharf]

mimic tear from elden ring

make it copy your weapons

or dark esau

[gaunt tiger]

imo infinite flight is probably worse than exochair for endgame

even unnerfed soaring insignia

[orchid cairn]

this

if exo chair took up an accessory slot then maybe itd be debateable

but as it stands exo chair beats wings EASILY

even with soaring insignia

[gaunt tiger]

balance is so far out of the window post scal or post exos that like
lol
lmao

[hollow shell]

Not only that but the chair's hyper-accurate controls too

[gaunt tiger]

yeash chair stopping immediately after you stop holding the direction is huge

it's a big help in scal

[fossil finch]

I still hold that chair will somehow be butchered horribly by the time yharim exists

[gaunt tiger]

quite probably

it will join burden breaker in the great beyond

[orchid cairn]

tbh

is having infinite flight even that busted in the first place?

what if the soaring insignia just reduced movement speed in exchange for infinite flight

cause even then itd still be worse than the witch's broom mount, because at least the mount doesnt take up TWO accessory slots

[swift wharf]

not having to refill flightime with a hook/landing is pretty busted

if it wasn't, then it wouldn't be nerfed in the first place

[orchid cairn]

but you can have that with the ufo mount and the broom mount

unless those are nerfed in calamity and im unaware?

[swift wharf]

they are not

and ufo mount is slow

and you can't dash with it

wings are a must so the "two accessory slots" argument isn't really valid

and istg if I see another toilet suggestion

[neat linden]

"An upgrade to auric toilet"

Oh wow

[hollow shell]

@brave shell the funny haha

Exo Toilet already exists

[neat linden]

What an incredibly well made suggestion, with proper and thorough arguments why it should be added

[orchid cairn]

yeah thats why im saying if the soaring insignia had like, -50% move speed penalty and infinite flight, it wouldnt be busted at all

i could be wrong but i dont see why that would be an issue

[swift wharf]

considering that you get a lot of movement speed

ehhhh

[hardy dock]

Mfw an accessory whose entire functionality is made obsolete with a hook that doesn’t even take up an accessory slot is almost universally considered op 💀

Literally just use Frog boots guys

[gaunt tiger]

if you make an arena out of hammered platforms you don't need to land

[swift wharf]

oh wtf

[hardy dock]

At the time you get the Insignia hooks are good enough to entirely cover literally every part of the Insignia’s functionality

[hollow shell]

Time to prevent hooks from restoring flight time

And destroy what was left of the community

[swift wharf]

DO IT

[hardy dock]

I wish the Reddit still existed so i could cancel you

[swift wharf]

and i wouldn't say it became obsolete

insignia is still really good

a bit too good imo

[hardy dock]

I will forever advocate that the Soaring Insignia is in no way too powerful

You’re sacrificing an accessory slot for a bit of convenience

[swift wharf]

replace boots with it

there

[hardy dock]

My point is that the slot using that could be better used elsewhere

[swift wharf]

reminder that it also gives increased movement and jump speed and acceleration

[hardy dock]

Frog Boots

[swift wharf]

use both

[hardy dock]

And if that was a problem then they should’ve nerfed that, not the QoL part

[orchid cairn]

oh boy, 1 extra mph!

[swift wharf]

What do you mean qol

Infinite flight is broken for bosses

[hardy dock]

Technically, it’s TWO

[hardy dock]

Like I’ve been saying

Use a hook

[swift wharf]

my brother in christ

[hardy dock]

It’s that easy

[swift wharf]

if it wasn't op it wouldn't have been nerfed

[hardy dock]

Calamity moment

[swift wharf]

qol = absent of balance

mmyes

[hardy dock]

You’re not really giving any good reason why I’m wrong here
I’m saying “the removal of infinite flight wasn’t needed because there are other effective ways of getting flight back”, and you’re just responding with “well it had to have been removed for some reason” without giving a real argument

[swift wharf]

welp

you got me there ig

[safe oasis]

lol?

[unborn oriole]

@west scroll install fargo's mutant, that mod has the World token to switch between difficulties in your world

[burnt condor]

infinite flight is more easily exploitable than placing platforms literally everywhere?

[west scroll]

i think it only changes to experyt

[safe oasis]

i don't think that's what they're asking

[west scroll]

*expert

[safe oasis]

all calamity difficulties are activated by items

[safe oasis]

(for malice)

[unborn oriole]

No, it switches difficulties since 1.4

Lets sy you are in a classic world

[west scroll]

well

lets see

[unborn oriole]

You use the token

It chnges to expert

Use it ahain

Again*

It's master now

Once again, now Journey

Again? Classic

[safe oasis]

gadiel that is not what this user is asking for

accidentally made my Terraria world as expert instead of malice

[unborn oriole]

Ohhh

Bruh malice is toggleable

It isn't decided on world creation smh

[west scroll]

yoooo

thanks man

!!

[drowsy plank]

lmfao

[west scroll]

but still

it would be helpful if it was in calamity too

[hollow shell]

Wait

[drowsy plank]

i mean... all calamity difficulties are toggleable already and calamity has made a point to not just remaking QoL modes entirely if they already exist

[hollow shell]

Mal did you make a mistake in your suggestion

You said "Malice", not "Master"

Malice is toggleable

@west scroll

((You're not missing much anyway by accidentally not choosing Master. It does not have any gameplay changes beyond stats))

[swift wharf]

journey lets you switch between diffs

[inner anvil]

@fathom sequoia That is not a feature, it's a bug.

[sand ermine]

@fathom sequoia wrong format too 👿

[hollow shell]

Never heard of this bug before

[hollow idol]

we accepted it as a feature iirc
even though it has some
consequences (like how the sug mentions: lag)

think it also lets you get multiple brimstone witches

[vapid crane]

oh

it's acknowledged in the bug pins

[hollow shell]

wew

[subtle sapphire]

Sounds annoying. I don't see why the boss rush should drop anything

[minor shell]

can i suggest to add a music box lol

treasures of the abomination doesnt have one (unless you manually record it)

[hollow shell]

It doesn't have one?

Looks like it does to me

@minor shell

[minor shell]

im dumb as rocks. my b

[hollow shell]

That's alright

[small timber]

tbh I don't feel that sounds like a good idea, since the distinction between "boss only effect" and the one with recall and teleporter is that this one is for anti-cheese purpose rather than balance purpose

(I do feel many times calamity do take things a bit too literally/drastically, like with the case of removing malice legendary = making expert mode items drop in normal)

[hollow shell]

"anti-cheese" does fall under "balancing", generally

[small timber]

I do feel at the very least can be a Death Mode specific change where if you recall/teleporter then boss despawn, with message like "The [boss name] lose track of the player..."

[hollow shell]

Yes I suppose making it Death-only would fit in with the Nurse disabling

[small timber]

(that way it is more of a boss feature than boss specific change of normal item)

[fossil mural]

can any testers check the balance of spectre staff

it feels way stronger than other same tier options

[hollow shell]

@pastel crow @hot zephyr Spectre Staff my boys

[pastel crow]

It's overpowered, 1.4 gave it two pierces and it was heavily buffed by calamity

Spectre rifle uses the same projectile and has the same issue

Essentially the damage of those two weapons got tripled by the 1.4 update

[fossil mural]

well that explains why spectre rifle felt like it outperformed phantasm against moonlord when i played ranger

and why staff felt insane on mage

[worthy lintel]

oh boy another weapon that got its damage tripled

blissful

[spark flax]

lotta bad suggestions lately huh

[hollow shell]

lol

[solemn dust]

[drowsy plank]

what else is new

[drowsy plank]

@gentle chasm just vote for this; #suggestions-voting message

it's a lot better than just nerfing it

[gentle chasm]

ok

[hollow shell]

Quibop's sugg seems good on its own if true

Well

It's kind of a bug

[drowsy plank]

oh?

[hollow shell]

... if I am interpreting what they're saying correctly, which I might not be

I have not used light discs or bananarangs in literal years

[drowsy plank]

if you read the other light disc sugg (which includes everything they said + more) the jist is the vanilla and calamity buffs effectively make it so light disc moves so fast that you can never actually get a second one out

not to mention the stacking was just an archaic way to allow you to throw multiple which isnt really necessary anymore

with bananarangs stacking makes sense since it drops from an enemy so collecting more slowly ramps up your power but discs just. are crafted all at once

they dont make much sense rn

[hollow shell]

Alright that makes more sense

[dense gust]

im kinda new to calamity so idk if this has been discussed but i feel like Boss-summons being non-consummable is kinda broken because of heart drops. I really like the change of not having to grind for a summon each time but Ive found that I can cheese a lot of bosses just by summoning a load of early bosses and getting many times my health pool worth of hearts onto the arena.

[eternal escarp]

thats a very out-of-the-way cheese method

[dense gust]

Perhaps, but it does feel incredibly easy. Spam killing like a dozen EoCs takes like a minute and can vastly increase how much effective health you have

at least thats how it feels to me

[small timber]

if you do feel it is kinda cheesy then the way to do it is to simply not do it

because ya, you basically have to intentional abuse it for that to happen

[dense gust]

ofc, but thats just me. From a more general/objective perspective, if some method is OP then that should warrant a nerf or change. I just feel like that this method is a rlly cheap and easy way to get a massive boost. Like I said, i still like non-consummable summons but perhaps it could be changed so that summoned bosses don't drop hearts or a cap is added for the max number of hearts that can exist at a certain point.

[small timber]

I think the hearts do have caps, just that if the hearts are taken then the caps is gone (as well, there is no hearts there to reach the cap)

there are several (potential) solution, each will lead to other problems,
like say if boss summon is disable when a boss is already in progress it will screw with multiplayer a lot, if boss straight up dont drop heart it will screw with (general) farming a lot

[dense gust]

yea i see what ur saying

and if theres a cap, thats good, I havent tried abusing the trick to insane degrees

[small timber]

basically if you spawn 200 king slimes and kill all of them, there will not be 2000 hearts on the ground, but only like 10, that is the cap

the problem is just if you take said 10 hearts then spawn a new king slime it will drop 10 more hearts, and there is really no way to keep track/cap it

[dense gust]

well idk about the specifics but the cap is definitely more than 10 but maybe it resets? Ive gotten the feeling it can be still be rlly strong even below whatever cap there is

[small timber]

so basically to abuse this you not only have to intentionally kill a lot of bosses to drop hearts on ground, but also to continuously spawn new bosses mid fight

[dense gust]

like the most ive done i think was 7 or 8 heart pools which all existed and that is already a ton of health

[small timber]

I think it is around 20~30, not sure, hearts do heal a lot

I think 10 was heart statue cap so I misremembered

but ya, generally there is really no good solution that will not lead to another problem
so really the only true solution is just not abuse it if you feel it is cheesy; in another words if people abuse something like this it is not much further to just install cheat sheet and use god mode

@drowsy pasture I think the main dev who created/reworked the biome blade/ark line do said that it is intentional for ark and biome blade to combine together, with ark of the cosmos having mechanic of ark and biome effect of biome blade

[drowsy pasture]

aw

ok

[small timber]

and they also said something along the line of an end game biome blade will just be unnecessarily clunky with 20 different mechanics/attacks attached to a single weapon making it obnoxiously hard to balance

I forgot the original words, but something along those lines

[drowsy pasture]

I mean honestly I'd just take a Galaxia with a damage boost, if it meant I was able to use it for endgame

[small timber]

so basically they shrink them down to several good ones with distinct function and thats it

[drowsy pasture]

yep

[small timber]

ya maybe, many weapons are viable on scal but not necessarily on exo (due to how massively tanky it is)

[drowsy pasture]

mm

[eternal escarp]

AotC is basically a combo on the prominent Galaxia attunements anyways iirc

[drowsy pasture]

fair enough

[small timber]

ya, it do loss a lot of the biome blade uniqueness but a lot of the attack do still resemble galaxia I think

[drowsy pasture]

yeah

it does have the spin attack and the holding the blade at the cursor, but the loss of toggle kinda wrecks it for me

[raw crystal]

I want pogo stick biome blade but inf damage :)

[drowsy pasture]

lol

[small timber]

I will be honest an end game version of that pogo stick biome blade enchant might unironically be overpowered

[raw crystal]

6 feet apart boss stick

Legally, the boss cannot touch you

[drowsy pasture]

fun fact: if you come close to death while fighting Scal, just say no! She legally isn't allowed to kill you while in town borders!

[raw crystal]

Can someone suggest making the terraprisma the expert drop from EOL instead of insignia? Since no one likes insignia and it makes people wanna play expert mode

[small timber]

expert drop dont exist in calamity

as in, you get everything even in normal mode

the only exception is demon heart, because it is demon heart

[raw crystal]

Sure love my occult crown, its lying around my non expert world

[frail mantle]

calamity is moving away from having items locked behind difficulties

occult crown and its components are an exception because it Interacts With Rev+ Mechanics

[small timber]

adrenaline upgrades and stress pills, laudanum and heart of darkness are also the other exception beside demon heart

mainly because those directly interact with adrenaline and rage bar with dont exist below revengeance mode

[raw crystal]

also has someone suggested a retiering of occult crown, its nearly useless that late

[small timber]

in its current form occult crown is one of the best accessory in the game so probably no

[drowsy pasture]

wacky, for me Demon Heart drops but I can't use it

[small timber]

probably because of vanilla hardcoded feature and fear of doing any IL edit instantly break the game in half

[neat linden]

there's pretty much no stage in the game where 20% faster adren regen is bad

[cobalt pewter]

I don't like how BB is basically vored by Ark either

but I guess it's unlikely that they'd change it

[eternal escarp]

• casual rage regen + a bunch of debuff immunities

and a small mobility boost

[crude geode]

Cal players when an accessory doesn’t give 20% damage buff (they have never heard about diminishing returns)

[neat linden]

oh yeah rage regen is insanely good for bosses like scal

debuff immunities aren't as big as the other benefits but still good

[small timber]

rage regen is insanely good from true melee to offscreen ranger just because not only does it stop rage falloff but also you just gain more

[drowsy pasture]

not just debuff immunities, debuff... buffs?

too bad Ankh Shield disables it

[neat linden]

well adren and rage buffs are still the best part

making adren take 6s less to generate is pretty damn big

[frozen hornet]

@frail mantle this dude's posting this vid in every channel

[ruby plover]

oh wait you have a new pfp

noice

shh its totally on topic

[frozen hornet]

well it's not really new it's as old as my previous one

I just haven't used it

[quiet kernel]

Possibly self promotion

Seems like it

[frozen hornet]

Ye

[hot zephyr]

[frozen hornet]

Lol..

[hot zephyr]

idk man these new suggestions are getting weird

[ruby plover]

🗜️

[hot zephyr]

@umbral jetty what's your sugg reasoning

[inner anvil]

So true, Ian.

[hot zephyr]

idk man

what he says is controversial but...

it might just work

[ruby plover]

might interfere with dev plans methinks?

[hot zephyr]

there's a greater chance of that YouTube video getting added to cal than the biome blade sugg

[inner anvil]

God.

[swift wharf]

@wraith knot they'll make them

eventually

[wraith knot]

when?

[swift wharf]

eventually

[inner anvil]

Unknown.

But yes, it's confirmed that we'll make them, just not now.

[wraith knot]

ok good

[small timber]

they will make them when it is done

[inner anvil]

Wait a few years.

[swift wharf]

memes is a sleeper agent that will introduce yharim once activated

[inner anvil]

Hi.

[frail mantle]

there's a bunch of things they want to do before that point but at least one post SCal is planned yes

[inner anvil]

The hell's a sleeper agent?

[inner anvil]

Why is "Gone to sleep" in quotation marks?

[swift wharf]

[inner anvil]

Listen, I'm not English, it's like my third language.

Maybe fourth, I don't know.

[fossil finch]

Basically an agent that is inactive in another country

[inner anvil]

That's it? Man...

[distant gyro]

sleeper agent? sounds like me

[swift wharf]

secret dev

[inner anvil]

I'm going to look it up in Spanish, I need to understand better.

Ah, now I understand.

[inner anvil]

Now understanding what is a sleeper agent, I will answer your statement with a: 😶 .

[swift wharf]

I know nothing.

[inner anvil]

You know too much.

[swift wharf]

🚪 🏃‍♂️

[inner anvil]

🔫 🤬

Just imagine it's a real gun.

[swift wharf]

( )

[inner anvil]

:nonitro:

[swift wharf]

anyways um did something get deleted in posting

[inner anvil]

A scammer, don't worry.

[hot zephyr]

I've got Yharim right here

No, you can't see him

[inner anvil]

But can I see him?

[frail mantle]

mom says it's my turn

[inner anvil]

No, it's my turn!

Shush!

[hot zephyr]

Aurora Borealis?

[inner anvil]

What?

[swift wharf]

At this time of the year?

[crude geode]

Holy shit Yharim can turn invisible

Loreheads gonna be writing this shit down

[inner anvil]

What is lore?

[crude geode]

so true king

[swift wharf]

baby dont hurt me

(no lore)

[crude geode]

Can’t wait for “lore update” to just remove all lore ☺️

[fossil finch]

Cursed I'm unbefriending you and blocking you and reporting you for hurting my feelings

we're not even friends but it doesn't matter

[drowsy plank]

the lore is now that john wulfrum paid a bunch of monsters to kill you

that's it that's the whole lore

[hot zephyr]

It already happened

The wiki lore is gone

[hot zephyr]

Yeah he's got his Yhermal Beam

[small timber]

yharim is actually just an old dude who appear in the epilogue telling you how the entire game is all a simulation to test human's tendency to resort to violence

[subtle sapphire]

but this is just a theory,

A GAME THEORYYYY

[hot zephyr]

matpat is canon to calamity

mrrp has a death warrant otu for me

[crude geode]

mrrp’s hitlist is just 90% of this chat

[hot zephyr]

he's constantly chasing I'm just slightly faster

[subtle sapphire]

dungeon guardian fight be like

[ashen warren]

isn't there already a rogue invisibility config

[drowsy plank]

yeah lmao

[gaunt tiger]

link is dead in calamity mod?

we are playing as john wulfrum?

[swift wharf]

last two suggestions are good mmyes

[fossil mural]

As for the summon penalty one

Maybe add a tooltip line to all summon weapons that says like "Summons deal less damage while you hold non-summoner weapons " or something?

[drowsy plank]

@elder tendon they aren't random?? also that's literally just eternity destroyer lmao

[tiny minnow]

Also, it’s dumb. There’s a pointer in both phases!

[subtle sapphire]

Yeah I don't see what's random about DoG lasers

they target you or go in a pattern

[hollow shell]

I assume he is referring to the chaotic net web of lasers, rather than the organized grid walls of lasers

[small timber]

I think the (non wall) laser do follow a certain pattern, it is dependent/shoot from dog segments I think + 1 horizontal laser that aims directly at the player

So to certain degree what the suggestion want already happened, just not presented in a much more bare boned manner as it can be hard to track DoG's body segments off screen

[edgy sundial]

Is this not something that should have been exclaimed for no reasoning? #suggestions-voting message

[small timber]

Oh right that do seem lacking reasoning

(though to certain degree the intention is pretty clear but ya there are still rules for it)

[edgy sundial]

Isn't what it's asking for already added by the vanity mod or something, too?

[small timber]

Technically (I am not sure about repair unit pet specifically since I dont use it), but this type of suggestion I think is still allowed since vanity is an external mod;but ya the suggestion do lack reasoning anyway

[hollow shell]

I didn't exclam it cuz there really isn't much reasoning you can give for a pure vanity suggestion like that

[edgy sundial]

I could have sworn I've seen similar suggs exclaimed in the past, figured I'd point that one out since it had made it through

[swift wharf]

it's a good one

[grim tusk]

@hollow shell aint the latest one too specific?

[hollow shell]

unsure

There are reasons for both examples

Though he could include more about why the current ones are problematic

Did he leave the server???

[grim tusk]

Seems like it

[swift wharf]

Ding Dong Ditching taken to the next level

[grim tusk]

He seemed unusually salty about DoG in #calamity-update-talk

[drowsy plank]

i could've sworn there was a change where they made bombs as strong as the strongest pickaxe in the inventory or something

[eternal escarp]

just ask for a higher drop rate?

not everything needs to be a recipe

[unborn zodiac]

yeah i guess

[drowsy plank]

isnt VA-ing a dont or something

[waxen flower]

Regardless or not, It would improve the popularity of this mod with some high quality audio support!

At least the voices I know of that the bosses do have include Draedon and Calamitas

[gray nebula]

itd make some people cringe

[quasi lava]

i wish the calamity mod added whips. I was actually thinking of doing a summoner playthrough for once until I realized there were none added :(

[frail mantle]

calamity whips are planned

they won't happen next update, just whenever the devs feel like adding them

[inner anvil]

Never.

Just kidding, just kidding...

Unless...?

[swift wharf]

more tag damage weapons that aren't whips 🥺

[quasi lava]

oh sick! at least they are planned, I guess I'll just do other playthroughs until then haha

[drowsy plank]

i mean kaleidoscope is viable til scal anyway soooo... and that isn't just from a lack of whips it really is just that good

[swift wharf]

And it will be even better once it actually works

[drowsy plank]

true!

[ashen warren]

I'll be returning shortly if anyone wanted to discuss my suggestion. Thanks again to the Developers for allowing us an outlet to make suggestions!

[hollow shell]

Don't forget that we allow Trashers to drop Diving Helmets too, at a 5% chance

[ashen warren]

Is that so? I think my suggestion would still stand. I've made it to Polterghast and been around both Oceans for farming many times without having any luck. Though that being said, I'll probably try farming Trashers too.

[hollow shell]

Yeah, they are regardless worth mentioning in the suggestion I think

[ashen warren]

I would but... I'm out of room to add it. 😆

I'll try to fit it in somewhere.

[hollow shell]

Ah

Message limits..

[ashen warren]

Indeed.

Plus I'm the kind of guy that likes to be as descriptive as possible.